Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then!
AdLib3 hours ago
Once again, I may or may not be a few minutes late but stay right here and I’ll see you shortly!
AdLib3 hours ago
Hey Murph
twilson117
an hour ago
Hello.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
So how is going in your neck of the woods with all that is happening in NY??
twilson117
an hour ago
NY is barely on anyone’s radar here.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph why am I not suprise
twilson117
an hour ago
I have to admit it is hard for me to understand the mindset of the folks you speak of it’s as if they really don’t want to think and reason just believe.
twilson117
an hour ago
There has been a plethora of postings (on garage doors, bill boards, carried signs, banners) of a doom sayer statement: “If you vote for any democrat you are voter for higher taxes, more wars, less freedom and undermining our country’s future.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW….and how is it in your backyard.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Lies nothing but lies
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph this is a liberal state as you must know about MA. We’ve had our fair share of Repub gov but it’s always open to discussion sure there are die hard Trump supporters but nothing like you’re dealing with as far as I know.
twilson117
an hour ago
which is why it is difficult for you to understand the Trumpian mindset. Swimming in a cesspool ….one adapts to the crap.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Have to agree with you regarding the cesspool as well as understanding. I have to say it is difficult to wrap one’s mind around the narrow thinking you’ve mentioned. It’s as if they are truly scared of knowledge.
twilson117
an hour ago
I’m not trying to be dengrating to the people but unwilling to open one’s mind is a bit shallow is it not?
twilson117
an hour ago
You know that I lived in the UK as a kid (rom early 12 to late 16) and have maintained contact with friends from school there. They find our system of government outlandish and a set piece for trouble.. A part of that is how easy it’s for the political class to lie and not be caught up in it or be called on it.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
How is outlandish to them when they gave us its foundational principles?
twilson117
an hour ago
That mind opening is regarded by those on the Trump train as opening your mind to a cesspool of lies, a betrayal of faith, denial of our history etc. Openness as Original Sin.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Openness as the orgininal sin, now that’s damn funny
twilson117
an hour ago
The British system is what nearly every other nation in the world uses. Seating the Executive Branch within the Legislative Center i.e those who lead the government are selected from the party controlling the legislative process. The idea of “separation of powers” as laudable is laughable to them….it is, In their minds, a setting that results in deadlock and log jams. It allows the executive to play duck and cover and avoid the necessity of bringing the executive to the people via the legislative process.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
The big news for me today was this: Missourians for Constitutional Freedom just submitted over 380,000 signatures to get abortion on the ballot in Missouri this year — more than double what they were required to collect, from voters of all parties all across the state.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I can see that point of view, but, it’s worked for us for a bit. I know the Brits seem to believe their way was always the best but we sort of did get some of our ideas from them and borrow a few from some others. And as you know we’ve didn’t have a succession kings and queens who were questionable. But it seems like we may be moving toward that if Trump gets back in.
twilson117
an hour ago
I am happy to say that I was one of those gathering signatures.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
You are one tireless worker for a just cause.
twilson117
an hour ago
Those numbers give new meanig to the phrase show me state, looks like you and 380,000 are showing what you all believe is the right thing to do. Which is leave women’s reproducive right alone.
twilson117
an hour ago
While there are constructs in our system that are similar to those the dominant parliamentary system by and large they are more philosophical than practical. For ex: By the time of the Am Rev. the monarchy was far more figurehead than head of state. The founders/revolutionaries code to pretend otherwise because those they were opposed to in practice the members of the House of Commons …..in others words a representative assembly like they were.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I have to say we had an interesting jobs report. Unempolyment stayed at 3.9% and that may give the Fed what they need to cut interest rates.
twilson117
an hour ago
Hey all, I can’t believe I’m so late!
AdLiban hour ago
And that referendum makes Hawley’s opposition to Kunce less likely to succeed….less….no guarantee, no wave.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad see you made it.
twilson117
an hour ago
Hello Ad……good discussion so far.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – I saw that abortion rights bill has more than enough signatures. Could help Kunce.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad…yes ….Missourians for Constitutional Freedom just submitted over 380,000 signatures to get abortion on the ballot in Missouri this year — more than double what they were required to collect, from voters of all parties all across the state.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph agree with the changes takeing place in England during the Am Rev. I have heard folks here thiinking we should have a version of a parlamentrary governance but I can ever see it working here.
twilson117
an hour ago
I think Hope Hicks really sunk Trump today.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad she may have, but I’m not at all swayed at her crying on the stand. She didn’t have to got to work for the sucmbag so no sympthay from me at all.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW….it would look like an expanded House of Reps with the Executive Branch officers as members of that body (since they are required be MP’s) The founders and framers created a House of Lords with real power to stop or start legislation…..which has often been a bad thing.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – double the amount of signatures sounds safe to me.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – I think the crying only helped her credibility and hurt Trump.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph we have our hands full with the way we have it now. Can you see and expand House with more MTG’s Grabby Bobert and I’m a dog Gatz?
twilson117
an hour ago
TW….the Parliamentary system has built in mechanism that make show boating anathema…for one thing there are multiple parties and coalitions are required to form a government.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad it may have. But, I’m not feeling sorry for her.
twilson117
an hour ago
Hicks is from a wealthy background…..a “born elite”. pedigree……she loved working for DT and being close to center of power….she was a loyal disciple and adherent.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad, how do you think Hicks sank Trump today?
MurphTheSurf3
44 minutes ago
TW – Same here, not heartbroken for her, she empowered and enabled Trump to do horrible things. But the net result I like, she nailed Trump as knowing the Stormy payment was made on his behalf so his defense is doomed.
AdLib44 minutes ago
Murph perhaps it does. But far too many of the folks here can barley keep up with our current form of governance, I find it difficult that they could handle a modified form of parlimentary governance.
twilson117
44 minutes ago
Ad from what I heard it seems she did tell the truth or her version of it. So I’m going to go along with that, at least is a good thing.
twilson117
42 minutes ago
Murph – By nailing Trump’s feet to knowing about the payments and the fraud of claiming they were retainer payments.
AdLib42 minutes ago
Murph I have the feeling the Brits have a better feeling for how government runs and take a mover active participation but that I mean they read up on what is going on. Am I correct on that?
twilson117
39 minutes ago
Ad….parliamentary government has the people electing their representative to the government….one rep…..from parties whose agenda is very carefully defined. Each member directly represents constituents….both those who backed them and who opposed them…..each represents far fewer citizens than our system sets in place and they are required to maintain frequent and direct contact with constituents. ALSO……there is virtually no television advertising and electronic messaging is carefully supervised and checked.
MurphTheSurf3
39 minutes ago
TW – yes, sure sounded like she told the truth and by doing so, blew up Trump’s Sgt. Schultz defense, “I know nothing!”
AdLib38 minutes ago
Ad, your read on the UK is correct.
MurphTheSurf3
38 minutes ago
Ad and TW…..I accept your judgment re. hope’s positioning.
MurphTheSurf3
38 minutes ago
Hey….a small group of associates in the campaign saw Civil War in an early afternoon break with lunch. Like me, they were stunned. My second time. To me it is clearly a warning….note the 3rd Term President…..
MurphTheSurf3
36 minutes ago
Ad it’s going to be interesting to see how the judges rules on Trump’s latest set of gag order violations
twilson117
35 minutes ago
Something I said? Both TW and Ad are gone….Hello! Is anyone there?
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
Ah….there you are TW
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
Murph haven’t seen the movie not sure I really want to but feeling I might need to.
twilson117
34 minutes ago
TW….the film is deeply disturbing because it paints a canvas that is very, very believable…..I think it is a very, very important film for now and for history….many inter-related themes.
MurphTheSurf3
33 minutes ago
Murph that was the feeling I got from seeing some of the previews.
twilson117
32 minutes ago
I have seen it twice….theaters that were pretty full. Silence….deep concentration….moments of gasping…..and then a very Low key exit.
MurphTheSurf3
31 minutes ago
Sorry, WiFi went out.
AdLib31 minutes ago
Muprh I can’t help but wonder if the film is giving some folks ideas and others soultions to the problems they are having with their plans to rebel.
twilson117
30 minutes ago
Murph – I saw Civil War and emailed you but the email didn’t go through.
AdLib30 minutes ago
TW…..the film could do that but it is a clear tragedy.
MurphTheSurf3
28 minutes ago
Ad…I wonder what happened.
MurphTheSurf3
28 minutes ago
I don’t know I kept getting notifications that the email had bounced back and it would try to send it later. Have you ever had a problem like this before.
AdLib27 minutes ago
I have not had that happen before. I am getting my usual flow e mail.
MurphTheSurf3
26 minutes ago
I think the Jesse Plemmons character and the scence
AdLib26 minutes ago
Side note….do either of you know anything about Facebook requiring a photo of the member for verification purposes.
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
He was in told the whole story of the movie
AdLib25 minutes ago
Maybe I will go see it tomorrow
twilson117
24 minutes ago
Murph – I have never heard of this. Where did you hear about that?
AdLib24 minutes ago
Murph haven’t heard that.
twilson117
24 minutes ago
I would welcome your thoughts on the film.
MurphTheSurf3
23 minutes ago
BTW, I’m out of town now for my daughter’s softball. They made it to the finals for the conference championship. That game is tomorrow.
AdLib23 minutes ago
Well wife is working tomorrow so I may be able to snek out and go see it, the kitichen passes are getting harder to get.
twilson117
22 minutes ago
I am sour on Facebook anyway…..I wish that there were more people like us who value serious discussion.
MurphTheSurf3
22 minutes ago
Ad wish her and her teamates all the luck I can muster.
twilson117
22 minutes ago
Ad….congrats to your daughter.
MurphTheSurf3
22 minutes ago
Thanks TW and Murph! Murph- I’m with you on that . I think FB started as camaflage evil and now has abandoned the camaflage
AdLib20 minutes ago
Ad….good summary.
MurphTheSurf3
19 minutes ago
Murph I only go out to check in with some of the old yaberz crowd to see what they’re up to. Since I started writing on Medium and here and my own blog I don’t get out to FB as often as I use to.
twilson117
19 minutes ago
So do we think Trump will end up criminally convicted?
AdLib19 minutes ago
Thanks TW…….good points….
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
Conviction for Trump……I fear that there is a plant or two on the jury…..hung jury is the name of the game.
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
Ad as I said to you before I’m waiting for the jury to come back with the verdict I know what I want, but the question is there a secret Trump hold out that will hang the jury. I know everything points to strong possibility of a guilty outcome but strange things have been known to happen when it goes to the organge one.
twilson117
16 minutes ago
TW….you and I are on the same page.
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
Murph – it is possible that there is a MAGA on the jury but I take heart in E. Jean Carroll. In having two jurys that found Trump liable.
AdLib15 minutes ago
Ad….Trump sitting there makes the Carroll experience less applicable.
MurphTheSurf3
14 minutes ago
Murph don’t know if you’ve seen the Times article but he has made it clear what he will do if the gets another shot and it isn’t pretty.
twilson117
14 minutes ago
Murph – why do you think Trump’s presence helps him as opposed to hurting
AdLib13 minutes ago
TW…I am waiting for my Time to arrive….
MurphTheSurf3
13 minutes ago
Ad….I think that Trump being there empowers and inflames his adherents…..thus motivating them to do anything that is necessary to be loyal to the master….thus the plant or two.
MurphTheSurf3
12 minutes ago
As always ….I am fascinated by our discussion but I have campaign duties in the early AM and these old bones need more rest than I am getting…..good “seeing and hearing” you both.
MurphTheSurf3
11 minutes ago
Murph- Got it! Get some rest and keep on keeping on!
AdLib9 minutes ago
Murph I understand what you said. It’s just difficult for me to understand why those who follow him are so willing to give up their freedom. Then complain about it when they don’t get what they want when they gave away their right to make things work correctly.
twilson117
7 minutes ago
Murph get some rest take care.
twilson117
7 minutes ago
I believe many voters won’t be tuned in to the election and all the Trump outrages until the criminal conviction. I think that starts a new phase and downfall for him and the GOP.
AdLib7 minutes ago
Ad I do hope so.
twilson117
6 minutes ago
What do you think?
AdLib5 minutes ago
Are you in San Diego
twilson117
4 minutes ago
Yep, still here, head home tomorrow…after the Conference Championship Final game. Yep, they made it to the finals!
AdLib3 minutes ago
Well, I wish them the best. I’m going to sign off I’m beat didn’t any sleep so I’m going to call it a day. Take care best to you and your daughter’s team.
twilson117
a minute ago
My daughter’s team will likely go to NCAA Regionals which is by invitation but if they win the championship, they are given an entry.
AdLiba minute ago
Thanks so much TW! Have a great weekend!
AdLiba few seconds ago
You as well
twilson117
a few seconds ago
Thanks pal!
AdLiba few seconds ago
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