Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then!
AdLib3 hours ago
Hi glenn! How are you tonight?
AdLiban hour ago
Hi AD. Am I the first one here tonight? How are you doing on this Friday the 13th?
glenn
an hour ago
I’m doing all right.
glenn
an hour ago
Hello Glenn…
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Hi Ad
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Hi Murph! Good to see you.
glenn
an hour ago
You are officially the first one at Vox Tonight! You get first pick of the hors d’oeuvres!
AdLiban hour ago
I have to say that I could not be sadder than I am right now. I have friends in Israel who are missing.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Hey Murph! How are you tonight?
AdLiban hour ago
That’s terrible to hear, Murph. No news on them?
AdLiban hour ago
Oh OK. Can I get mozzarella sticks?
glenn
an hour ago
They were visiting friends at a kibbutz near the musical festival that was attacked by Hamas. No word
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
glenn – You’ve got them! What can I get you to drink?
AdLiban hour ago
Murph that’s terrible. So sorry to hear about your friends. I hope you hear something positive soon.
glenn
an hour ago
Hello TW
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
AD I’ll take a glass of white wine please.
glenn
an hour ago
Hello everone looks like there is a lot to discuss tonight.
twilson117
an hour ago
Not a word so far…..I took them to the airport last week.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Hello TW. Hope you are doing well tonight.
glenn
an hour ago
I saw the materials today that Hamas had created for their attacks on the music festival, schools, etc. This was a tactical decision to strike at youth, the elderly, the most vulnerable, to make a brutal statement that no one there is safe.
AdLiban hour ago
Hey TW!
AdLiban hour ago
Glenn doing fine how about you?
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad good evening
twilson117
an hour ago
TW I’m doing as well as can be expected on a dialysis day.
glenn
an hour ago
Ad….there is so much evil roaming the world.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph isn’t that the truth? You would think after all these years we would learn how to live together in peace.
glenn
an hour ago
Murph just read you have friends at a kibubutz I hope they’re okay.
twilson117
an hour ago
Glenn….how is your treatment going? Do you have support at this difficult time? Who is there to be with you?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Glenn…at times like this I despair
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Glenn it’s good to see you here tonight.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW…yes…..they have children who live in Israel at a kibbutz…..I have no information as to their situation or that of their kids. Inquiries are nearly impossible to make.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
At times like this I wish that we who make Vox an important part of our lives lived close……to live with ciivilized/caring people…..
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – It is enraging to learn that Netanyahu aided Hamas getting funded and building its strength in an effort to lock out the majority of Palestinians from having a two-state solution. And he ignored warnings from Israeli and US intelligence. And he was warned by Israeli Intelligence that his push for ending judicial independence and democracy and pushing hundreds of thousands to protest in the streets week after week sent a message to Israel’s enemies that they were divided and vulnerable to an attack. Netanyahu didn’t care, he was only about saving himself from prosecution and becoming essentially a dictator. He has so much blood on his hands.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad this attack is beyond to lowest form of despicable.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph I really don’t need support. I have transportation from my assisted living facility taking me to dialysis three times a week. And then when I get home I eat something and then take a long nap. My treatment is going OK. They just change the procedure. I have a catheter in my neck that is outside my body also where they put the ports for the blood to go in and out. But now I had a couple of operations and had my veins attached to my arteries. And there and they’re using my arm now. So I get two needles in my arm every time I go. I like having the catheter better but they tell me that the catheter has a high risk of infection and it’s very close to my heart. So I’m learning how to live with them sticking to needles in my arm three times a week.
glenn
an hour ago
Thanks TW I’m glad to be able to be here tonight.
glenn
an hour ago
I know Murph. I am with you. I just don’t understand terrorists.
glenn
an hour ago
Murph – We become unaware of just how brutal evil people can be when living in the US and not having to worry about the likelihood of invading armed terrorists. There are truly evil people out there, indeed.
AdLiban hour ago
ADI know that Netanyahu has a lot to answer for but I still don’t think that what Hamas is doing is their answer either.
glenn
an hour ago
Glenn….I appreciate your explanation of what you are going through…..do you have my e mail? my phone number? You are welcome to both……I am glad that you have the help you need to take care of your physical needs…….you are a strong person, I know that, and I offer what I can.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Thank you so much Murph. Yes I have your email. Thanks for your offer and believe me if I get two down I’ll send you an email. Thanks for your support
glenn
an hour ago
I have been following the stories of several retired Israel commandos who have been running their own rescue operations…brave beyond belief.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
glenn – Hamas is as evil as it gets, as bad as ISIS. They planned to murder, rape, torture, and kidnap innocent civillians, especially children. At the same time, Israel shutting off water, food and electricity for 2 million innocent people is evil too.
AdLiban hour ago
Glenn…..I stand with you in spirit…….and in my hopes and wishes for your health.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph in my opinion Israelis have always been in charge of their own operations. But Israel Defense force is something to be reckoned with. Even retired ones.
glenn
an hour ago
I got into a fierce argument with someone I have worked with re. the IDF assault on Gaza City……I believe that it places the Israeli army into the role o war criminals, as is Hamas. Evil is evil.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
And the other big story is that Jim Jordan is the latest doomed nominee to be the Repub speaker in a broken House. I don’t think he’ll get the votes he needs, he’s a death wish to Repubs winning a majority in 2024.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad I have to admit the situation in Israel is one I find confusing and hard to follow. But I do understand the power dynamics of Netanyahu which is all he wants along with the extermination of the Palestinians so he can take over all the land.
twilson117
an hour ago
ADO yes I agree Hamas is evil. But I also have to agree that what Israel is doing in retaliation is evil also.
glenn
an hour ago
I admit I never paid much attention to the Palestinian Israeli conflict. Does anyone here know when the Palestinians were relocated to the Gaza Strip and why?
glenn
an hour ago
Murph this is not going to go well for any of the Israeli solders because I do believe they will have a very difficult time staying in line with the rules of war when comes to crimes that were committed on men women and children. This is not going to be good at all.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – Netanyahu had to get in bed with the most extreme right party to get back in as PM, they’re as radical as MAGAs are but with a religious hatred and fervor…even against fellow Israelis who aren’t as extreme as them. Hamas does need to be crushed first but then I think Netanyahu and the RW extremists will be pulled down from power by the people.
AdLiban hour ago
The question for me is this: will the assault on Gaza City result in the freeing of hostages, or liberate the people of that city or will it further inflame the passions of those who already so deeply hate each other. I watched an interview with a half doze Palestinian boys and girls in their early teens…….they were SO impressive…..I wept for them…..I did.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
AD well you never know. Jordan may be able to get enough votes after 15 rounds of voting. Lol. Would love to see Hakeem Jeffries become speaker
glenn
an hour ago
Ad when your goal is power, you make deals with the devil to get it and pay for it in ways that should make ones skill crawl.
twilson117
an hour ago
glenn – Right with you. The principle is simple and there’s no room for hypocrisy, either it is wrong to target and kill innocent civilians including children and the elderly, or not. Whether Hamas or the IDF do it, it is wrong. I do think Biden is behind the scenes, pressing Israel to be very careful about indiscriminately killing civilians but with this siege of Gaza, how can they not be doing so?
AdLiban hour ago
Murph where is the Palestinian children impressive is the fact that they didn’t want Fighting or they did? And I do believe that the Israeli attack on Gaza is just going to make them even more inflexible and hateful.
glenn
an hour ago
AD exactly. I think Biden speech was very good where he did tell them that we can’t commit atrocities just because they did. But I’m not sure that just didn’t fall on deaf ears. And from what I understand the siege of Gaza is hurting innocent civilians. Apparently the electricity has been turned off and so people in hospitals and mothers who are not breast-feeding who need electricity to heat the bottles etc. are being hurt
glenn
an hour ago
I keep getting kicked off….is Glenn gone?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
AD I’m also very impressed with the Democrats who are sticking together.
glenn
an hour ago
Murph whatever happens, I’m of the opinion it’s not going to make things better at all. I heard one reporter talk about how their are Palestinian who have absolutely no recognizable rights the Israelis have to consider. Does it remind you of anything?
twilson117
an hour ago
No Murph I’m still here.
glenn
an hour ago
For Glenn….re. Gaza City….. a great article if she returns…oh, you are here….my reach.
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MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW I agree. No matter what happens I don’t think things are going to get better in that part of the world.
glenn
an hour ago
Thanks Murph I will check it out after Voc
glenn
an hour ago
Glenn Biden speech was good, but I keep asking myself how is that going to help those who are being treated as non-citizens in their own country?
twilson117
an hour ago
After vox
glenn
an hour ago
Glenn….re. your question about the young people….they were bewildered…..the hostility makes no sense and they regard both the Israelis and Hamas Palestinians as wrong……one young man said that all he wanted “was to see my sisters smile…..every now and then…..”
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW I know that is the dilemma isn’t it? But is Gaza really Palestinian? Or is it only Palestinian at the will of the Israelis
glenn
an hour ago
glenn – A brief thumbnail, after WWII, Jews began emmigrating to Israel in large numbers in the pursuit of Zionism, having a Jewish state that could protect them from what they had just experienced in WWII. The country was Palestine then. As they built their population and final fought to take power over the country, The Palestinians were pushed out a again and again from their homes. I’ve seen a map showing how over the years, Palestinians were pushed into smaller areas. Then the Six Day War in 1967 came, when Israel won that war, it was a great victory for them but doomed the Palestinians to being pushed out even more into the West Bank and Gaza.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad….a good summary….you are really very good at that……what strike me as the desires of both Jews and Palestinians mirror each other as does the pain they have experienced.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
AD thanks for the brief sketch. What is it that Hamas wants? And who is the authority over the Gaza Strip? Do Palestinians have their own government? And is Hamas against their own government to
glenn
an hour ago
Glenn good question. I must admit my knowledge on the situation is limited and I only know what I read. But, what I’ve read in the past and present, the Palestinians were always there. Also they keep being kicked out from the surrounding countries. One can do a lifetime of doctorial studies on that situation.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph young man statement is heartbreaking. It makes me want to cry.
glenn
an hour ago
It’s such a shame that Palestinians keep getting kicked out of countries
glenn
an hour ago
Glenn….. I did cry……I have been weepy for days now……I feels so sad about so much right now.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I can understand their frustration.
glenn
an hour ago
Something to really consider is “why?”. Why did Hamas commit such a horrific attack that they knew Israel would have to respond in a fierce way? It seems an obvious calculation that they could push Israel to overreact then instead of seeing Israel as the victim of terrorists, be seen as war criminals themselves and spark Arab nations to band together and attack them. And Israel, under that monster Netanyahu, are falling right into that trap. The US is trying to keep them from falling into it all but Netanyahu is desperate to appear like the hero of Israel when most there right now see him as the villain who failed to protect them. This is a dangerous moment in the ME.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph it is not a good time in our world right now.
glenn
an hour ago
Green…the Palestinians and the Jews have shared histories, pain and fears… Two neglected and rejected people.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph it’s understandable that you feel the way you do.
twilson117
an hour ago
Yes Murph. If they could only understand how much they had in common rather than how much they hate each other.
glenn
an hour ago
Well gents I’m fading quickly. And I know we definitely won’t be able to solve the Middle East problems here on Vox. But it is nice chatting with people who are empathetic and knowledgeable. Good night my friends
glenn
an hour ago
Ad….your take on the hidden game being played by Hamas is one that Regard as 100 percent accurate. Hamas looked at the political game that Netanyahu was playing and saw a desperate man who would over react, in no small part as a means of trying to be the heroic defender of the state (he is that self deluded)
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad sound analysis especially considering they’ve been at each others throats since 48.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – So true, if anyone should understand the plight of Palestinians “wandering the desert” and being an oppressed minority, treated as an enemy and inferior by the majority, it should be the Israelis. And many do feel that way, the problem is that many Israelis are afraid of being attacked, as they have historically, that they have applied the same dehumanization of “the enemy” Palestinians as so many have done to Jews for centuries. Many Jews get it and many Jews don’t. It’s hard to understand fully.
AdLiban hour ago
Glenn.wonderful sharing this time with you..
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Glenn good to see you hear take care.
twilson117
an hour ago