Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then!
AdLib4 hours ago
Hey Ad
twilson117
3 hours ago
Hey TW! Excellent article.
AdLib3 hours ago
Thanks. I did reply to your comment as well as Glenn’s.
twilson117
3 hours ago
I saw that you wrote that to glenn but I didn’t see your reply to my comment.
AdLib3 hours ago
Really, I hope it didn’t get lost as it was rather long. I even through in a little Kant for good measure. 
twilson117
3 hours ago
Oh no! I don’t think it posted.
AdLib3 hours ago
Well I still have it as I wrote in Word I’ll put up later.
twilson117
3 hours ago
That’s a relief! I hate when a glitch blows up a comment I spent a lot of time writing.
AdLib3 hours ago
I know that is why I do things in word first.
twilson117
3 hours ago
Glenn is in the house!!!
twilson117
3 hours ago
So, Ivanka and Jared are being deposed by Jack Smith and the GA Grand Jury woman seemed to hint that Trump will be indicted.
AdLib3 hours ago
Hey glenn!
AdLib3 hours ago
glenn – Liked your comment on TW’s article and his reply as well.
AdLib3 hours ago
Ad couldn’t happen to nicer people don’t you think. 
twilson117
3 hours ago
Good evening AD, good evening TW. Oh I’m so glad you said that about not seeing TW‘s reply to your comment AD. I didn’t see it either. TW that was a great article.
glenn
3 hours ago
Harleigh is in the house.
twilson117
3 hours ago
TW – What do you think will happen when he’s indicted? Will MAGAs march or cry?
AdLib3 hours ago
Hey Harleigh! How are you doing?
AdLib3 hours ago
Hi guys!The Heat are getting beaten so bad tonight I turned it off.
Harleigh
3 hours ago
Harleigh and glenn – How are you holding up in the Nazi seperatist state of FL?
AdLib3 hours ago
Thanks AD. TW’s Article was very well written.
glenn
3 hours ago
Ad you mean Trump? Well there will be some who jump for joy some will cry foul, me I will ask why isn’t he in an orange jump suit and leg irons.
twilson117
3 hours ago
Harleigh – Don’t worry, DeSantis will soon get a bill passed making it a felony to beat the Heat.
AdLib3 hours ago
Glenn, thank you for the kind words.
twilson117
3 hours ago
Duhsantis is doing his best to out hitler Spanky on all fronts.
Harleigh
3 hours ago
Hi Harleigh! Long time no see. How are you doing?
glenn
3 hours ago
he’ll demand recounts! lol
Harleigh
3 hours ago
Good glenn. still no voice but getting by ok.
Harleigh
3 hours ago
TW – Oh, I know we’ll all break out the champagne and party hats, I mean what do you think his MAGA cult followers will do? I expect lots of death threats from them to prosecutors but will they march with the delusion that there are a lot of people behind them (which there aren’t) or will they scream for red-blue divorce and overthrowing the government online? Or commit some crimes?
AdLib3 hours ago
AD I just read an article today about what DeSantis is trying to do with the university curriculum. It is very very scary.
glenn
3 hours ago
Harleigh I read a Charlie Pierce article where he talked about how DeSantis obviously didn’t learn anything from Princeton or Harvard.
twilson117
2 hours ago
FL edacashun is now below MS!
Harleigh
2 hours ago
TW Those weren’t kind words they were honest words. It was a very thought-provoking article.
glenn
2 hours ago
Harleigh – DeSantis will declare that all scores of Heat opponents are fake news.
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey CL!
AdLib2 hours ago
CL is in the house.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Hey – almost a full house!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Glenn appreciate you saying that.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Hey Ad, glenn, Harleigh, TW – lovely to see you.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Harleigh— Why no voice?
glenn
2 hours ago
CL and Glenn… oh my heart
Harleigh
2 hours ago
glenn – Yes, I read an article about FL Bill 999 (which is 666 upside-down) which will give politicians total control over education and mandate racist propaganda in schools under the BS of “pro-America”.
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey CL good to see you. How are you doing this evening?
glenn
2 hours ago
Oooh – Harleigh – that’s not good.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Glenn DeSantis actually believes he is some sort of genius doesn’t he?
twilson117
2 hours ago
Harleigh – Very sorry to hear that you still have an issue with your voice. Any therapy you can do to address it?
AdLib2 hours ago
TW you’re welcome.
glenn
2 hours ago
glenn – well, I’m COVID free, but I can’t see worth much. My eye treatment for yesterday was put off a week due to COVID. And things are blurry. This growing older stuff needs work. Beats the alternative, but still needs an upgrade.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Glenn lost voice over a year ago like a laryngitis thing, tried specialists etc… just have to hope it comes back. it’s kinda weak.
Harleigh
2 hours ago
Ad when will Repugs learn they will never be able to deter true learning?
twilson117
2 hours ago
AD-yes according to the article I read, universities will be allowed to mention slavery, but not its affects. The curriculum has to follow the constitution somehow or another. It was very convoluted of course that’s the way Republicans write things. Somehow or another if it doesn’t align with the constitution? It can’t be taught.
glenn
2 hours ago
Harleigh – is this an enduring problem such as Diane Rhem had =- the NPR on air person?
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – Just because horrible, narcissistic people go to a top university, it doesn’t mean they come out any less narcisstic. Trump went to a good college as did DeSantis, Cruz, Hawley, Kennedy in LA, etc. You can lead a fascist to water but you can’t keep him from trying to drown a democracy in it.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL— L O L. Growing old is not for sissies. Glad to hear you were Covid free though.
glenn
2 hours ago
CL – I’m glad you’re feeling okay though. Is hubby okay?
AdLib2 hours ago
Harleigh I have a copy of the bill where they want to sue reporters for defamation if they don’t like what the read. Talking about moving toward autocracy they’re doing in a big way.
twilson117
2 hours ago
glenn – this is Farenheit 451 plus. Can mention slavery but NOT its effects?
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad you’re right about that.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad – we are OK enough. Hubs is VERY tired. I am, too, but less so, so I get to do grocery shopping, etc. Not sure this is an “up” for me!
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – Repubs see education as a threat, it leads to critical thinking and they need cult members instead.
AdLib2 hours ago
Harleigh— Oh my. Didn’t realize you had lost your voice. I hope it gets better.
glenn
2 hours ago
CL Farehneit 451 1984, and coming to a state near you the Hunger Games
twilson117
2 hours ago
TY Glenn. me too.
Harleigh
2 hours ago
Ad critical thinking, is that like calling BS when you see it?
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – I admit I have not seen any part of The Hunger Games but do get the gist. And I know you’re correct.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – good definition of critical thinking: calling BS when you see it.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL, yes that’s the way I read the bill. There were a few other things in there about civil rights as well but off the top of my head I can’t remember them. It was very eerie to read this bill though. It was like white washing history. Literally white washing history.
glenn
2 hours ago
I do think, on a more positive note, that the wins in VA, the overall wins 2022 that put MORE states in Dem hands than in GOP hands (first time in decades) is a plus and a cause for hope.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW, best definition of critical thinking I’ve heard in a long time.
glenn
2 hours ago
Anyone know what’s happening with the WI court battles? Somehow I lost track of when they vote of IF they voted on justices.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Glenn was talking with a friend just before getting on discussion that a lot of what DeSantis is doing is a distraction and we need to pay attention to what he and others are really trying to do and stay focus and not get caught up looking at the shiny object and losing site of the real issues.
twilson117
2 hours ago
glenn – I saw some of the BS in that bill and the bottom line is to do exactly what they accused Dems and moderates of doing…which always means it’s they’re goal. They intend to indoctrinate kids “Dear Leader”/North Korea style by whitewashing racism in history along with all the terrible deeds of Republican leaders to produce a mindless, pro-fascist generation. I don’t think it will work but it is frightening that the people in FL can’t seem to stop this Nazi march of DeSantis and Repubs in overthrowing every decent institution in their state.
AdLib2 hours ago
glenn – I second that analysis of TW on critical thinking.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL, I think the Democrat, her name begins with a P and it’s very long anyway I think she won. I think they’re still going to be a runoff but she got a lot of votes.
glenn
2 hours ago
Glenn we need to keep focus of what folks like DeSantis is trying to do.
twilson117
2 hours ago
glenn – good to know!
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – That’s a whole other fascist bill, to warp defamation laws against media and the people so that even the claim of racism is a crime. It is total destruction of the 1st Amendment and would never stand in federal court but the goal is to scare people into submission. It’s pretty sick.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL – That is definitely winning the goldfish type of prize where you then have to take care of things as your “prize”. I say, use Instacart!
AdLib2 hours ago
TW, I think DeSantis is a dangerous evil man. Even worse than Trump if that’s possible. And I agree we have to keep focusing on the real issues like this bill. The problem I see is the democratic party here in Florida really really sucks. There should be a court case being brought against this bill if it passes. Also what he did with advanced placement classic says
glenn
2 hours ago
Ad – here’s my hope. While this SCOTUS is made up of religious conservatives, they have not been too awful on actual Constitutional issues and Trump. I would HOPE that preserving the1A for media would be on their radar. That sort of thing tends not to excite them in bad ways.
choicelady
2 hours ago
glenn – I agree that DeSantis is worse than Trump. The good news is that he has zero personality and doesn’t so well outside of his FL cult.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad I have the draft copy on my desk haven’t read it completely but I believe you’re correct. The question is will it past muster and stand up in court if challenged.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Harleigh and glenn – Any thoughts on if FL will go down to DeFascist without a fight or will there ever be a serious pushback against him. He appears like a dictator with the people bowed down to him in FL.
AdLib2 hours ago
Sorry using my voice to text feature and sometimes it doesn’t understand what I’m trying to say. Also what DeSantis did with the advanced placement classes is a sin and the Democratic party in Florida should be up in arms.
glenn
2 hours ago
CL, I’m glad to hear DeSantis doesn’t play well outside of Florida. Because if this man runs for president, I am very very frightened of what may happen. Yet
glenn
2 hours ago
glenn – I think the Dems are letting the students take the lead against DeSantis on AP and other ed issues. I think that’s tactically wise.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – My daughter was the ideal age for Hunger Game fan when it came out so I’ve seen them. Basic concept, fascist government forcing the oppressed people to literally fight for their communities to survive. You know, Florida.
AdLib2 hours ago
glenn – I do think he’s very scary. He doesn’t grab people by any part of their body or mind. He’s too dull.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – Yep, critical thinking is what The Emperor’s New Clothes is all about.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad you nailed it on the Hunger Games.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad – that is definitely my understanding of it. It’s Shirely Jackson’s “The Lottery”amped.
choicelady
2 hours ago
AD, I don’t understand the fascination the people here in Florida have with DeSantis. My only hope is that he just goes to far and they finally get fef up with him.
glenn
2 hours ago
glenn – I would think any upwardly movile family would be peeing their pants over the abolition of ALL AP classes and similar fascist ideas. It puts their kids at dead last in competing for good colleges and jobs.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Yes, VA, MI and PA, important swing states, are now in the hands of Dems and they should all mobve full speed ahead in enshrining voting rights which I think they are. That will protect national elections and their own states from being under democratic siege.
AdLib2 hours ago
Glenn he is so busy trying to set a dystopian for the country while ignoring things as a governor he should be taking care of like home owners insurance am I right?
twilson117
2 hours ago
AD, floriduh is solid magat state except for a few areas and is heavily gerrymandered… and the worst edakashun too.
Harleigh
2 hours ago
CL, it may be tactically wise for the Democratic Party to let the students take the lead. But I don’t think the old folks here in Florida care much what students think. Hopefully those students will vote when it comes time for that. As for the democratic party letting the students take the lead, the democratic party here in Florida lets everybody else take the lead except them. Either the media here doesn’t cover it match or the Democratic Party here has nothing to say because I never see anything about pushback on DeSantis except from national Democrats.
glenn
2 hours ago
CL, I agree. I don’t know why parents aren’t up in arms about the AP fiasco.
glenn
2 hours ago
Dear friends – I absolutely CANNOT see tonight. Can’t enlarge anything to make it more clear, and I’ve got my nose on the screen to be able to read. I get the injections NEXT Thursday so should be fine by Friday. But right now I’m well and truly UNABLE to read your comments. Damn, botheration, and shit. So I’m sending my love but dropping off. If Murph gets on, will you tell him HI from me? See – literally – you all next week.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Wasserman-schultz is the only democrat.
Harleigh
2 hours ago
TW, of course you’re right. But he’s too busy running for president without running for president.
glenn
2 hours ago
Glenn if the students take the lead like they did with the mass shooting, then would think DeSantis will be shaking in his white go-go boots.
twilson117
2 hours ago
glenn – I think DeSantis is as evil as Trump but he is a far weaker national candidate than Trump. DeSantis has a constant sneer on his face, is slow on his feet in debates and has a nasally, droning voice. He is more repulsive than Trump, I don’t see indies being drawn to him the way they were to Trump in 2016.
AdLib2 hours ago
Good night CL. Hope to see you next week.
glenn
2 hours ago
fallin asleep…. later gators
Harleigh
2 hours ago
AD, I hope you’re right about Indies not wanting anything to do with DeSantis.
glenn
2 hours ago
Murph is in the house
twilson117
2 hours ago
Hey Murph I was just getting ready to leave but I’ll stick around for a few more minutes so we can chat. I always love to hear your opinion on matters
glenn
2 hours ago
Good night Harleigh and CL
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL – I don’t trust this corrupt SCOTUS majority any farther than I could throw them but it’s hard for them to keep chopping down democracy because they will be chopped down with it. What is their approval rating? 17%? Much lower and people will just ignore their rulings.
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey Murph!
AdLib2 hours ago
Good night Harleigh
glenn
2 hours ago
Ad agree with you on the SC
twilson117
2 hours ago
Hello….I see that Harleigh and Choice have already left……I just could not get here until now.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph what is the latest on allowing 14 year-olds to open carry in your state?
twilson117
2 hours ago
Glenn….a special hello to you….thanks for staying around a bit longer.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
AD, second that on the supreme court. But it’s also very frightening, for lack of a better word, that people are not going to abide by supreme court rulings.
glenn
2 hours ago
TW – I think the unconstitutional laws DeSantis passes will eventually be knocked down but it seems his scheme is to flood the zone with BS laws so for every one that’s shut down, he passes two more. It’s a mess and I don’t understand how a majority in FL can keep applauding this destruction of their state.
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph, always happy to chat with you.
glenn
2 hours ago
TW…..the bill you are referring to is slogging along….now that it is becoming public knowledge, even here it is not faring well in the public mind.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Ad agree they won’t get far.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Murph, that’s good to hear that people do not think it’s a good idea for 14 year olds to open carry.
glenn
2 hours ago
Murph help me understand why anyone with two function brain cells would even bring that up, with all the mass shootings that have taken place?
twilson117
2 hours ago
I see that there is interest in DeSantis…….I have a friend who works for the Buena Vista Corporation (which is the land holder for the Disney conglomerate in FL) and she says that the Disney lawyers are laying lots of traps for De and his minions.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
TW….there are people here who have their five year olds out on shooting ranges.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph DeSantis = DeSatan
twilson117
2 hours ago
AD, I’m with you I don’t understand how a majority in Florida can keep voting for this man. He is single-handedly trying to destroy education in this state. Which breaks my heart as a former teacher here in Florida.
glenn
2 hours ago
TW….yes, Trump is evil, but DeSantis is evil and competent….very dangerous.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph Okay that tells me all I need to know.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Murph, glad to hear that Disney is fighting back.p
glenn
2 hours ago
Glenn…the college board should never have buckled to the DeSantis grand standing….but they make their money off of the number of young people who take their exams.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph when money is the prime motivation one will do some really stupid and crazy things.
twilson117
2 hours ago
glenn….the fight, from what I can tell, is going to be subtle and involve flooding the public with a huge debt and a variety of measures that enlist the assistance of the vast Florida entertainment mega-business as well since Disney is the jumping off point for so many who then flock to their sites….and let’s not forget the car rental folks, the hotels, the restaurants….
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph, agree about the AP situation. However how many young people are going to take those exams when they don’t mean anything anymore? Any college outside of a college in Florida is not going to accept Florida students. The standards are just not there for out of state universities. As CL said earlier, parents are going to have to get up in arms when their children don’t get accepted into out of state universities.
glenn
2 hours ago
Glenn everything DeSantis is doing centers around the State schools right? What do the private colleges saying about what he is doing?
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW, I haven’t heard anything about what the private colleges are doing. It’s like I said before, all we hear is DeSantis. I never hear any pushback.
glenn
2 hours ago
BTW, I have been saying that as the SCOTUS goes too far, people will just start ignoring it. Ron Wyden has now said the same thing and advised governors to ignore any ruling that outlaws Plan B pills or birth control.
AdLib2 hours ago
Glenn….out of state universities in the public education realm love out of staters because they pay preimium prices…..and the private schools are absolutely dependent on anyone who can pay.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
AD, that is becoming a scary slippery slope
glenn
2 hours ago
Glenn you make a good point about the parents getting upset.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Florida, where guns in the hands of children are supported but books aren’t.
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph, that’s a good point about the out-of-state universities. And here I thought they would have some standards. L O L.
glenn
2 hours ago
Glenn…..higher ed is a massively expensive institution and the college bound base is shrinking.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Ad guns take lives, books make life worth living.
twilson117
2 hours ago
glenn – That is very true, it would be destructive to our judicial system to have to ignore SCOTUS rulings, only empower MAGAs to ignore legit laws and The Constitution but the only constructive way to confront unjust laws is to resist them.
AdLib2 hours ago
AD, exactly. Don’t want them youngems Reading about history and all that subversive stuff.
glenn
2 hours ago
Ad….your comment to glenn lays out rather succinctly how complex resistance to Scotus is going to be.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
What is coming is that students coming our of FL schools will be seen as less-educated and desireable by top colleges. And those graduating FL colleges will have devalued diplomas. Think about it, if you were hiring for a business integrated with society, would you want a FL grad who has been taught by racist, white nationalist curriculum or not?\
AdLib2 hours ago
Well gents, I know I haven’t stayed long, but I am wearing out. Plus all this talk about Florida is depressing the hell out of me. So I will say my good night. Glad I got to chat a little bit with you Murph and love chatting with you TW and a D.
glenn
2 hours ago
Glenn so good to spend a few moments with you.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Great chatting with you glenn!
AdLib2 hours ago
Glenn take care and again appreciate your kind words on my article.
twilson117
2 hours ago
AD, have to comment on your last post. It’s going to take parents and graduates to push back against this evilness. OK that’s all I’m gonna say on this. Take care and hope to see you all next week
glenn
2 hours ago
Murph – Historically though, civil disobedience against unjust laws has been effective and has not led to the destruction of our system of justice. It is those who are unjust in ignoring laws that don’t fare well. Like the 1/6 terrorists.
AdLib2 hours ago
glenn – It takes a non-racist village.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad….my comment was also in reference to the ways in which the right is taking energy from the “resistance” trope in Blue States…
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
FWIW: “Wyden Calls On Biden To Ignore A Future Ban On Abortion Medication”
AdLib2 hours ago
All, I believe there is a need to pay attention to what is going on and figure out what is just a distraction and what is a real issue that requires true focus.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Wyden is also going after the worst of the Trump judges….my worry is that this game can be played in the same way by the other side.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph – The Right has always cast itself as “rebels” even before the Confederacy. That is what MTG is playing to when she blathers about a national divorce between blue and red states. When has the RW ever been prodemocracy? They oppose people having civil rights who aren’t white males, oppose voting and non-gerrymandered districts and just about every decent program (SS and Medicare and ACA) that helps Americans. They are the eternal rebellion against democracy and decency and always have been.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad would you believe I’m working on an article on MTG stupid Read & Blue state divorce?
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad……you point is well made….my concern is that if the tactics as so well described by you become the norm nationally in every state whether red or blue or a mix….what happens….civil war?
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
TW….your writing and Ad’s remains a wonder to me.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph – I hear you but that shouldn’t be a reason not to do the right thing and stand against the wrong thing. Of course the Right will try to do the same thing but they will resist against what is right so they will never get the majority of Americans supporting their resistance to decency and democracy and that will lead to their losing power and like 1/6, being held legally liable for their crimes.
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph Laura Ingraham took MTG to task on her State divorce nonsesnse.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – Sounds like a great topic for one of your articles. Really looking forward to publishing and reading it!
AdLib2 hours ago
Cheers Murph!
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph I owe it all to you when you invited me to Yaberz.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad…I hope your read on this is on the mark…..the efforts of the right to rig the table such that the popular vote is weakened in its import is a real worry……imagine the House and Senate back in GOP hands….along with the state governments where the minority has been so empowered because of the various schemes that undermine equality in the popular vote.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
TW….ah, yes, yabberz….so long ago and yet still current.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
I see what MTG’s, Trump’s and DeSantis’ end games are but they go against what the majority of Americans and voters believe in. It will indeed be a fight that’s neverending against the anti-democracy racists who now control the GOP but like in 2020 and 2022, I think Dems will prevail against them because the majority of Americans are not on board with fascism, lies and vicious racism. But it will always remain a tough fight.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad yes and I’m going to have some fun with it. I’m going to through in a few naughty words just to spice it up a bit. 
twilson117
2 hours ago
Murph – That is a legit concern but the last two elections and Dems having unitary control in important swing states like PA and MI and hopefully winning that Supreme Court seat in WI along with executive control in AZ can help remodel democracy in those states and protect the will of the people. Repubs can’t win the WH without those states and the more democratized those states and others become, the less power Repubs have to rig democracy.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – I like my TW articles spicy!
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad extra spicy or super hot spicy?
twilson117
2 hours ago
I need to run….but these few minutes were good for me. Thanks.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph good to see you hear as always.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Did you hear that a coalition of Dem Govs have filed a suit to counter the one with the MAGA nutjob in the 5th district, to require broader availability of abortion pills. The intent is to have dueling decisions that take away the nutjob’s power to put a nationwide ban in place. Very smart.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – Super hot spicy!
AdLib2 hours ago
Well that should tie things up a bit.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Glad you made it Murph!
AdLib2 hours ago
Raining like Noah’s flood here in LA right now!
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad I will see what I can do.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad I heard you guys actually got some snow is that true?
twilson117
an hour ago
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