Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you there!

AdLib18 hours ago

Hey Harleigh!

AdLib16 hours ago

Hey TW!

AdLib16 hours ago

tada!! lol

Harleigh

16 hours ago

Hey everyone

twilson117

16 hours ago

I’m disconnecting my gas stove as I type this!

AdLib16 hours ago

Hey Murph!

AdLib16 hours ago

Howdy Harleigh…long time no see! What is happening in your neck of the woods.

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

Hello Ad and TW

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

So, does George Santos dress up as George Santos for Halloween?

AdLib16 hours ago

Been awhile but I am a Heat fan and they’ve been playin on fridays alot

Harleigh

16 hours ago

Santos invented haloween

Harleigh

16 hours ago

hi ad, tw

Harleigh

16 hours ago

Murph have a question, it’s my understand that your local state reps have a problem with the woman in the house exposing their bare arms and now is insisting they have to have long sleeves.

twilson117

16 hours ago

You know that feeling you had when it came out that Hillary was using a private email server in her house? That’s how this Biden document thing makes me feel, like deja vu. Just shaking my head and thinking, “Really?!”

AdLib16 hours ago

TW……your understanding is correct.

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

hey murph. Desantis and Spanky are intent on destruction here.

Harleigh

16 hours ago

Murph, what’s next bonnets and long dressing and walking three paces behind their husbands?

twilson117

16 hours ago

I suspect that the reality is that every President/Vice President have for decades and decades left office with documents that should not have traveled with them….most of the time quite innocently and accidentally…..

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

Harleigh DeSantis is bat shit crazy

twilson117

16 hours ago

TW….the amendment to the dress code was put forth by a woman, a neanderthal, but a woman.

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

tw, no shit! He’s removing the special area from Disney world and wants the county gubmints to make it run!!!! WTF??? lol

Harleigh

16 hours ago

Harleigh….and DIsney is sticking it to local governments – road maintenance and repair is a huge cost.

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

Murph some folks just can’t handle being in the 21st century.

twilson117

16 hours ago

Murph – Yes, I’m sure that’s the case but this Biden docs thing coming out just before the DoJ is likely to indict Trump both feels like a setup and is infuriating.

AdLib16 hours ago

Harleigh won’t the local citizens have to pick up the cost for that?

twilson117

16 hours ago

Deathsantis is doing it for disney not being anti gay. moron

Harleigh

16 hours ago

Harleigh – Didn’t DeSantis have to reverse himself on Disney because it would mean spiking taxes on homeowners?

AdLib16 hours ago

Harleigh sadly he is Fl version of a little Hitler.

twilson117

16 hours ago

Oh hell yeah ad. hundreds of millions.

Harleigh

16 hours ago

Ad…..given that the discovery of the documents was done by Biden’s attorneys (who I suspect were sent on a mission because Biden’s folks know that what I am saying is true)….so the set up piece you suggest is not something I considered. Who would have done this…….?

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

Harleigh are they ok with that?

twilson117

16 hours ago

A photo of women legislators in MO lining up for inspection.

AdLib16 hours ago

Ad yes that’s what’s coming.

twilson117

16 hours ago

Deathsantis is waitng to run for potus, Spanky ain’t happy. good

Harleigh

16 hours ago

Ad……hilarious.

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

Ad the Biden documents is a nothing burger but the timing sucks.

twilson117

16 hours ago

Murph – I just said it feels like a setup, not saying that it is. But if it was a setup, the SS agents would be my prime suspects for planting the docs. However, like you say, much more likely that the docs were just not handled properly. But why look for them now after 8 years or so?

AdLib16 hours ago

Ad…Secret Service….hmmmm….intriguing

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

Harleigh – I am already popping the popcorn for when we can watch DeathSantis and Drumpf debate and tear each other apart.

AdLib16 hours ago

Evening, all! HARLEIGH! Haven’t seen you since last year! Hope everyone is well.

choicelady

16 hours ago

Ad – it is my understanding that Biden was closing that office which led to moving boxes when the docs were found.

choicelady

16 hours ago

Well cl still don’t have my voice back entirely and unable to work but we’re getting by.

Harleigh

16 hours ago

Hi there Choice…..may I ask if you are abiding by the dress code?

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

OMG – I am so sorry, Harleigh.

choicelady

16 hours ago

Hey CL!

AdLib16 hours ago

Murph – if the dress code is sweats and sweatshirts, I’m golden. Your legislature is…weird.

choicelady

16 hours ago

Hey, Ad!

choicelady

16 hours ago

CL – Yes, I heard that but still a bit curious that Biden is only now closing his office which he used as VP 8 years ago.

AdLib16 hours ago

CL….nothing gets by you….nothing at all.

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

Murph – I’m too damned old to be told what to wear. Gave that up in my 20s after years of my liberal but uptight mother telling me how to be a proper lady.

choicelady

16 hours ago

CL….the state legislature here is embarrassing

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

CL…of course that could be said of the entire GOP dominated state government.

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

Ad – I think, not positive, that once Biden became president, he knew he had no need of that office. Big question – you are discussing it – is whether it was mishandling by staff or planting. I am NOT upset that Garland has a Special Counsel for Biden or that he was a Trump appointee. He has a good rep. Then exoneration will be accepted by the “worried Middle” who need to know life is, sometimes, fair.

choicelady

16 hours ago

Murph – If I was advising any of the women in the MO legislature, I’d suggest they go in with a sweater then partway through the day’s session, take it off and show their bare arms. Just who is going to drag her out with phones filming it all?

AdLib16 hours ago

Murph – both things are true: MO and the GOP in general.

choicelady

16 hours ago

CL he used the Penn office until he won potus so the story goes. So all of it was like old files that someone didn’t send where they were supposed to go. Blownup molehill.

Harleigh

16 hours ago

Ad – I like that, you rabble rouser, you!

choicelady

16 hours ago

This is how men in the MO legislature look at the women legislators.

AdLib16 hours ago

Harleigh – that is my understanding, too. Once you’ve BEEN POTUS, who needs an office when you can have a library?

choicelady

16 hours ago

Ad – that’s her arsenic muffin recipe unfolding in the photo.

choicelady

16 hours ago

The essential matter in the Biden classified documents mess is that it originates in the efforts of his attorneys who act precisely as they should…..the complete opposite of what defines the Trump mess.

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

Ad – look at her expression. That is not a docile housewife.

choicelady

16 hours ago

CL – Since intent is the key factor in the criminality of possessing top sercret docs, I’m not concerned at all that Biden would get accused by the Special Prosecutor of anything illegal. Just the fact that this kind of diligence wasn’t done after news broke about Trump holding docs, it is just plain stupid by Biden and his people, now is a much worse time for Biden to get “caught” possessing documents, with indictment of Trump probably near.

AdLib16 hours ago

Murph – that is what the Special Counsel will say. Because he’s a conservative, it will carry weight and shut up Marj, Kevvie, and Matty.

choicelady

16 hours ago

CL – I like it!

AdLib16 hours ago

Anyone else shocked by the John Kelly revelations re. Trump’s dalliance with a nuclear war in Korea which he wanted to blame on another party. Kelly quickly realized that Trump was every bit as awful as Dems were saying and then some.

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

Ad – I don’t fault DOJ for trying to make the assumption Trump was normal. Kudos for starting with that presumption. I love they did a warranted raid when it became clear he’s batshit crazy.

choicelady

16 hours ago

CL – Exactly, I imagine that expression is going to be seen by these Missouri Misogynists every day in the legislature on the faces of the women they’re trying to oppress.

AdLib16 hours ago

Murph – I found Kelly’s revelations really scary and useful. Kelly did try his best to keep Trump on the proper course. But no one can control that insanity.

choicelady

16 hours ago

The docs were just overlooked by the folks that were supposed to send them I guess to archives. Years old at least.

Harleigh

16 hours ago

Ad….recall that the dress code changes originated with two women legislators……

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

You know the great opening of the Raymond Chandler novel, the reference to the impact of the Santa Ana winds? That’s GOP women throughout the whole nation. “There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands’ necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge.”

choicelady

16 hours ago

Sorry folks will be back in bit Granddaughter on th phone.

twilson117

16 hours ago

Murph – That is the kind of insanity of Trump many would suspect but on Kelly, he has blood on his hands too, helped Trump with a lot of horrible stuff and he lied outright against that Texas congresswoman and a Gold Star mom who caught him and Trump lying about them to demean them.

AdLib16 hours ago

TW – granddaughters first!

choicelady

16 hours ago

CL…Chandler sure captures the mood does he not…..your link to GOP women is spot on…chilling.

MurphTheSurf3

16 hours ago

Ad – Kelly is no saint, to be sure, but I like he rolled BIGLY (TM) on Trump’s laziness, insanity, delusions, corruption. He should have done it MUCH earlier – but he did it.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Murph – That’s how Repubs do their dirty work. They put up a Herschel Walker to help them advance their racist policies. They put up women to oppose Roe and in this case, freedom of women to choose their own clothes. Women and minorities are just puppets for the men behind the GOP, they use them as cover all the time.

AdLib15 hours ago

Ad…I recall that Kelly was far too often an agent for some of the very worst elements of the Trump autocracy….still to hear him now makes his current charges even a bit more chilling given his earlier moves.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

CL – Man, I love that quote!

AdLib15 hours ago

And how it applies to GOP women!

AdLib15 hours ago

Ad – so now they as well as states are standing tall defending born alive babies. As the state legislator from wherever said, “That is not a thing.” I lived for years with the falsehoods people swallowed about abortion. Here wer FUCKING go again.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – I think Kelly is driven by ego, when he got called out on his lie about the TX Congresswoman by her, he lied further. With Trump, he felt wronged when he was fired. I don’t attribute any conscience to him.

AdLib15 hours ago

And the “defense of pro lifers” act – SERIOUSLY??? It’s not the liberals who gunned down providers, patients, and staff.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Ad….generally true but some of those women and minorities are deliberate and fully informed allies of the GOP front…..for ideological reasons and for personal aggrandizement

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Well at least thy won’t be able to about babies at 15 months!!! LMAO

Harleigh

15 hours ago

Murph – Amen. Willful accomplices. Gag.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Harleigh – very true.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Murph – Appreciate your view of Kelly, I agree. He was just fine being a part of some of the most horrible acts of Trump as long as he had a high profile, respect and power. That’s all he cared about. Anyone of conscience would never have taken the job in the first place, to work for an admitted sexual batterer, bigot and criminal.

AdLib15 hours ago

I guess it will raise the price of baby burgers

Harleigh

15 hours ago

Ok I’m back.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Ad – I agree Kelly has no conscious. He does, I chortle gleefully, have a big mouth.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Ad….on the same page with you vis a vis Kelly

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

TW – is all well on the granddaughter front?

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL she is fine just wanted to tell me she will be sending me something that she wants me to read and give my opinion on.

twilson117

15 hours ago

BRB

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

TW – how very nice! I am in the granddaughter dog house – today is her birthday, and because of the storms and loss of power for three days, we did NOT get her card and present sent. Oh, well. Time she learns life is hard.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Back….phone call from the Kunce folks…..he is blazing a fund raising trail that is quite impressive.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

CL she is applying for spot at a writing camp that takes place in June and she has to send in sample of her writing and thinks I will give her an honest opinion.

twilson117

15 hours ago

CL – Nothing the Repubs wail about is real. No one is taking away your gas stove, they didn’t cut out the 87k IRS agents which isn’t a thing, M&Ms aren’t turning children into LGBTQ, everything they wail about is just part of the propaganda game of theirs to grab power. Nearly everything McCarthy says about the GOP House is utter lies and propaganda. It’s disgusting. No wonder George Santos is welcomed into The House by McCarthy.

AdLib15 hours ago

CL….a valuable birthday gift….an awakening to the hardness of life.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

TW – that is awesome. So glad she trusts you! Mine won’t talk to me. Or any adult. She lectures us, but she cannot have a conversation.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL I’m glad to hear you and yours are okay this really some weather you’re having.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Murph – I stopped sending anything but gift cards after she was impossibly rude to me in 2019. I don’t suffer that well.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – Violence is only bad if it’s against Repubs or their allies. Remember how Trump wanted the national guard or military at the 1/6 insurrection…to protect “his people”?

AdLib15 hours ago

well at least with all the rain the number of forest fires from jewish space lasers is way down.

Harleigh

15 hours ago

TW – this is not a serious threat to us in Sacramento, but all around us is in peril. The power outage was not fun, we lost all our food save in the top freezer that we never opened. But here it comes again, so…?

choicelady

15 hours ago

Do any of you understand what is happening with committee assignments in the house…….

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Murph – IMO, most all of the women and minorities in the GOP are pure opportunists who are happy to betray those like themselves as long as they think it can benefit their career or finances.

AdLib15 hours ago

CL well my granddaughter just turned 16 and for some reason she still listen to me, my wife and my daughter there is a tight bond there.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Harleigh – I KNOW! Thos Jewish space lasers were a real disaster. This holds them at bay until at least next August.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL you’re in Sacramento, my wife sister lives in Sacarmento

twilson117

15 hours ago

Harleigh – The combo of Roe being struck down and inflation makes baby burgers too cost prohibitive now. I’m sticking to drinking their sweet, sweet blood.

AdLib15 hours ago

TW – mine is 16 today and hasn’t talked to me or her grandfather since she was 6. She is very narcissistic and annoying.

choicelady

15 hours ago

I will say, without reservation, I vastly prefer AdLib’s daughter and the son of the homeless man in the back to my granddaughter. How sad is THAT?

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – She will love you no differently, she’ll understand.

AdLib15 hours ago

Ad – that is so gross! The RW will believe it!!!

choicelady

15 hours ago

Ad – she doesn’t love me at all, so it all works out.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Murph – I think Kunce is brilliant and a natural. In any other state, he’d be a shoe-in but even in MO, against Hawley who is so detestable, he may have a slim chance.

AdLib15 hours ago

TW…..one of my best friends has twin grandsons who are now 18 but when they were 16 they stunned him by saying he was the person they most admired….and they were surprised that he was surprised as that has been their opinion for many years. Kids can surprise us with their findings on our worthiness.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Murph – I will definitely donate to Kunce.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL she is are only grandchild the daughter of my late son. So we do have the tendency to spoil her within reason.

twilson117

15 hours ago

TW – Your granddaughter has definitely come to the right place, your writing is excellent.

AdLib15 hours ago

TW – if she is devoted to accomplishment and values your opinion, that means she’s NOT spoiled but wonderfully engaged with you.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Kunce is one of the most impressive young dems out there and his commitment to fighting the good fight against the odds here is truly admirable and worthy of support.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Ad yes they can. Last summer was the first time we seen her since COVID

twilson117

15 hours ago

Murph – he has my support for sure.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Ad appreciate you saying that.

twilson117

15 hours ago

CL – Oh, sorry to hear she was rude to you. Teen years can turn the sweetest little kids into trolls.

AdLib15 hours ago

Choice…so sad that your grand daughter has not had the opportunity to learn from you and to admire your courage and spirit.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

She has been rude since age 6. She is not a nice person.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – Hope you can stay safe and dry with the lights on this weekend!

AdLib15 hours ago

Ad I see Katie Poter announced she is running for Firestein’s seat in the Senate.

twilson117

15 hours ago

TW….give your thoughtfulness, and integrity I suspect your grand daughter is a good judge of character.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Murph thanks for saying that.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Well I’m conkin out. later folks. nice seeing everyone. night

Harleigh

15 hours ago

Murph – it is her grandfather she needs to know. Greg was the publisher of the SF State paper during the student strike of 1968 for Black studies. He refused to cave to the administration and kept publishing and printing. He went to jail for 60 days for that. She has no clue. And she wouldn’t care. Social justice is not interesting to her. She is interesting to her. As she will quite freely tell everyone.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL most kinds have no idea what they want at 6

twilson117

15 hours ago

Harleight – GREAT being with you tonight.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Good night, HArleigh! Lovely to see you!

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – That is unfortunate but it of course was never in your hands in the first place. It is a combo of nature and nurture, who kids turn out to be, especially in their teens, but they do grow up from there and can become better…or not, as in the case of most Repubs. They all seem like people who never grew out of a teen mentality.

AdLib15 hours ago

Harleigh great seeing you

twilson117

15 hours ago

TW – she knows what she wants – she has no interest in anyone other than as a bearer of presents and focused attention on her. She still has meltdowns if she has to do ANYTHING that “bores” her or inconveniences her in any way.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – Thanks for your kind words about my daughter.

AdLib15 hours ago

Choice – I will take your assessment of her grandfather as golden truth…however, I stand by my earlier statement….she is missing out in not really knowing you.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Ad – i really, truly like her. I wish my granddaughter was more like her.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL sometimes it takes awhile for kids to come around.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Thanks, Murph. I do, too!!!

choicelady

15 hours ago

TW – she has been told she is the center of the universe her whole life. I’m not sure she can come back from that easily.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL at 16 doesn’t every kid think they’re the center of the universe?

twilson117

15 hours ago

TW – not to the degree she does.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Narcissism is a serious disease in America. She is on the cutting edge of it. The whole “new” family – we found Greg’s birth family – like us but really cannot tolerate her.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL well I believe it’s a proven fact that at some point in time she will be hit with the reality of it all and that will be a very rude awakening.

twilson117

15 hours ago

TW – Yep, Katie Porter, Barbara Lee, Adam Schiff and more will be running for Feinstein’s seat. I am glad they didn’t wait on her “decision” and I am annoyed by those who think any politician “owns” their seat, any Dem should be open to be challenged in a primary, especially a 90 year old woman with serious mental health issues. Her embrace of Graham at the Barrett hearings and claiming it was a very fair hearing was it for me. She is over.

AdLib15 hours ago

Ad with all of them vying she won’t have any choice but to make some sort of annoucement.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Ad…..I have not been happy with Feinstein for several years….her staying in the senate was hubris or self delusion.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

TW – I know you’re correct. She will run home to Daddy. Question is whether she will ever leave.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – Sadly, we are in a social-media-driven era of narcissism, your grandaughter fits in too well from how you describe her.

AdLib15 hours ago

Ad I think all three would make a good Sen. but I really like Porter she seems like a straight shooter to me and CA would do well be her in my opinion.

twilson117

15 hours ago

On another topic….I have found the Santos episode highly illustrative of the GOP leadership both local and national….they knew…they knew and they did nothing.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Murph Santos, what a con artist.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Ad – I don’t want Feinstein to run, but she has been a major leader, and few of those running now measure up. We need Holly Hitchell, one of the MOST accomplished people from the state. I dislike Porter – she freaking endorsed Nina Trumer, for crying out loud. Schiff is arrogant. and Barbara Lee is wonderful but not at all young. LOTS of accomplished women and some men to take Dianne’s place.

choicelady

15 hours ago

TW…I am with you on Porter….her performance on committees is awesome.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

TW – Porter has introduced NO legislation and endorsed Nina. MAJOR strikes against her.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – My daughter’s far from perfect but there is a conscience in her that helps keep her from falling into that narcissitic mindset.

AdLib15 hours ago

CL….who is Holly Hitchell.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Murph I saw her taken down of Jermy Diamond it was a work of art.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Ad – it is that conscience that makes me love her. That and her poise in interacting with an adult not her parent (me).

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL who is Holly Hitchell?

twilson117

15 hours ago

Murph – Holly was a termed out Black Assembly Woman who is powerful, passed excellent legislation, and is everything we’d want in a Senator. No clue if she WANTS to run however.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL do you think she will throw her heat into the mix?

twilson117

15 hours ago

CL….does Holly have a national profile in any way?

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Murph – I was never crazy about Feinstein after she established herself as a war hawk. She has a remarkable track record on many issues though but her hubris in clutching onto a Senate seat that belongs to Californians, not her, while being incapable of doing the job, has been awful.

AdLib15 hours ago

All – Katie IS good at committee work. She has not ONE bill to her credit. She has a good, solid lane. She should stay in it.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Ad….well said re. Feinstein.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Murph – not yet. I suspect whoever runs would probably need to have one, so it might rule her out, but in CA most everyone knows her.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL….I wonder what she could do to develop a national profile?

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

TW – It’s an embarassment of riches for us in CA, I like Porter, Barbara Lee, Schiff, we have so many solid and strong Dems to choose from. If any of them won, I’d be happy but I too lean to Porter but Lee has been so impressive and Schiff was brilliant in the impeachments.

AdLib15 hours ago

Ad…….you all have plenty in terms of leadership whereas we in Missouri only have misery.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Murph – Santos is slap-in-the-face proof that the GOP is not about issues or principles, it’s only about greed for power and money and they have no morals about doing whjatever it takes to get them.

AdLib15 hours ago

Ad you do indeed have a rich field of potentials replacements for Feinstein.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Feinstein kept doing the job up until about 4 years ago. I do think she’s lost her moxie, and I don’t want her to run, but I demand someone with her earlier acumen. That’s not true of even Schiff. He was the LAST holdout on ACA support in CA. He is very wrong about how the DOJ works. I met him at the Sac Press Club – he was fucking rude and arrogant. I admire a lot about him, but he’s not very good with people’s issues only his own.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – I’m not familiar with Holly Hitchell, what’s her story?

AdLib15 hours ago

Ad……and Santos is just SOOOOOOOOOOO obnoxious about it all…..narcissistic egomaniac is my guess

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Murph – nobody HAD a nstional profile when they ran for CA Senate seat. Harris wasn’t known outside CA. It’s who has it IN CA.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL you have the benefit of seeing these people up close and personal, all I know of Schiff is what I’ve seen from the Impeachment hearings and interviews on MSNBC.

twilson117

15 hours ago

She is from LA, a strong, incredibly accomplished Black Assembly Member then Senate – I think the world of her accomplishments.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – i don’t like at all that Porter endorsed Nina, that was a bad choice. Would she make the best Senator? I don’t know but I could imagine in a Senate setting, she could grow and recognize the importance of moving legislation.

AdLib15 hours ago

Murph – his national profile is good. He’s not that great at legislating.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL Schiff seems to be very much about himself.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Ad – we cannot have a Senator who has passed ZERO legislation. Just cannot.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Murph – you nailed it.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Murph – Yes but Kunce is a great candidate in MO.

AdLib15 hours ago

Porter is aligned with The Squad. That’s a major flaw.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL…your take down of Porter is striking me as on the mark….successful legislative experience seems to be a must-have.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Murph Santos is executing the art of the con in a way that is making it hard for those who follow Trump to disown him. But he will get his coattails pulled and I have a feeling it will happen soon.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Murph – I would, of Ad’s three, take Barbara Lee, but she ain’t young.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Murph – Santos comes off to me as a messed up Junior High kid who gets picked on all the time but is used to it because he eggs people on with how obnoxious he is and when he’s told to back off, he sneers, “Who’s gonna make me?”

AdLib15 hours ago

Ad – Barbara Lee is 76.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL…it is interesting how a seemingly golden list can be tarnished by spotlight.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Ad – Santos is jaw droppingly awful. You described him perfectly.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Ad….of Santos….apt description.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

CL – I’m open to Holly, if she runs I will really consider her based on your bvery valued take on her.

AdLib15 hours ago

All I’m saying Santos will be gone in three months, his BS will catch up with him and the press is on him like a pack of wild dogs.

twilson117

15 hours ago

TW…my hope would be that Santos mess would taint the GOP more widely but I fear it will not….memory is so short.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

CL – 76 is up there but she could definitely serve a strong 6 year term IMO. Then, we would have to see what’s what.

AdLib15 hours ago

The one thing I do know is the people who served in the state.Who are the ones who achieved things for us, who are the poseurs.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Murph I agree but I think well let me say I hope they are feeling the heat now because I can’t believe they like getting questions about him.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Ad – Lee is very fine, but I’d like to get someone who could do more than just 6 years. I’d love Sheila Kuehl who is also in that age range but authored some of THE best bills in America – single payer, hate crimes, omnibus choice act. And she played Zelda on Dobie Gills – now THAT is national profile!

choicelady

15 hours ago

I am running out of steam……..I need to call it quits for the night. I so look forward to these conversations. Thank you all for enriching my life.

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

Plus I know her pretty well and really like her. She is brilliant and funny all at once.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – We had Kamala Harris before as Senator, she was not strong at passing legislation either but when she was on the panel grilling Barr, she was pretty impressive. A track record of legislating is valuable but depending on which party is in power, a fighter can be more effective in a minority than a legislator.

AdLib15 hours ago

See you soon, Murph. I think I’m imploding. Three nights of no real sleep have taken their toll.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Same here, Murph! Get some rest and see you next Vox!

AdLib15 hours ago

Murph take care and have a good weekend.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Bye for now!

MurphTheSurf3

15 hours ago

CL – I really like Kuhl too.

AdLib15 hours ago

Kuehl

AdLib15 hours ago

CL, Ad is your gov going to throw his hat in the ring for the top job?

twilson117

15 hours ago

I had my doubts about Kamala. She did very well IN the Senate, but I’m not ready to trust non performers to do that. Harris never had a legislative role by which to judge her. Porter does. Schiff does. They fall short.

choicelady

15 hours ago

TW – Yes, I would bet heavily that if Biden doesn’t run or looks too weak, Newsom will run.

AdLib15 hours ago

TW – I doubt Gavin will challenge Biden, so it wouldn’t be until 2028. I’m not sure he wants it.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Wow, one yes and one no. Okay.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Biden doesn’t look weak. Not after this year, and I think he’s relishing taking on the House idiocy.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – I had reservations about Kamala too, when she was stealth campaigning for President in tweets while all other Dems in Congress were writing about Trump and stopping him, I didn’t like her focus on herself. But as VP, she has been doing a good job.

AdLib15 hours ago

I have my doubts about Biden going for a second term.

twilson117

15 hours ago

She was a good Senator, a weak presidential candidate, a good VP.

choicelady

15 hours ago

TW – Nope, I’m with CL on this, Newsom has already said he wouldn’t challenge Biden. He’ll run if Biden doesn’t or if something happens with Biden’s health or otherwise to make Biden look unlikely to win.

AdLib15 hours ago

TW – I think we shall see. He may give it up, but then Harris would be the logical candidate EVEN though she would be “hillaried” by the media.

choicelady

15 hours ago

I think Biden is all there but I have noticed a decline in his energy and ability to speak in an aggressive way. I don’t know how strong a campaigner or debater he would be in 2 years.

AdLib15 hours ago

CL at the moment if Biden decides not run, Harris wouldn’t get my vote.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Ad I’ve notice the same thing. That job takes a lot out of a person.

twilson117

15 hours ago

CL – Kamala was definitely a very weak presidential campaigner so if Biden doesn’t run, she may but I wouldn’t expect her to win the nom.

AdLib15 hours ago

I have reservations about her. She is actually quite good as Veep, but she lacks clear focus on speeches. I can’t put my finger on it yet, but I always feels she has missed the point in most of what she says. BTW – I will NOT make this public. You are sworn to secrecy!

choicelady

15 hours ago

I don’t think Kamala is a “star”, she’s a great “supporting character” but I don’t see her being a winning candidate for president. Her last run seemed to show that.

AdLib15 hours ago

CL I agree with you on her speeches.

twilson117

15 hours ago

As you all may recall, I really did not like her as AG here. She was arrogant and refused to work with ALL the major civil rights groups on hate crime issues. That’s sort of lingered – the feeling she’s slightly off the mark on things.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – My lips are sealed. I do agree though, there is not a full connection I feel from her when she gives speeches, something isn’t quite connecting. I don’t think she can win the nom since she leaves people feeling the way she does. As VP though, she’s doing great.

AdLib15 hours ago

One thing I learned very young was “find your lane. Stay in it.” That’s not a downer – that’s being realistic about whether you have the skill set for the job.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL I think you just narrowed it down for me on why I’m not a big fan. She came out of the box fast then fizzled out down the road when she was running for President.

twilson117

15 hours ago

CL – Yes, I remember all of that. She has something else going on in her that we can’t put our finger on but it feels a little off. Maybe a little too in her own head to fully connect with others?

AdLib15 hours ago

A friend of my parents’ who was active in Dem politics in MN during the Depression and knew Frances Perkins, always said we should teach people how to be “A first rate second rater.” That’s Harris and many others.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Ad – that may be what it is. I have read many things from CA Black women who do NOT get that vibe from her. She has done amazing things as DA then AG and as a person. But she does not seem to connect with people, even women, outside her circle. Even Black women outside her circle. I don’t quite get it.

choicelady

15 hours ago

First rate second rater that’s funny.

twilson117

15 hours ago

CL – How does that saying go about “Your reach exceeds your grasp?” That’s when you fall on your face. She is a historic figure now, she is great as VP, she’s just not going to be president IMO.

AdLib15 hours ago

Ad – that’s something we all need to know. I’ve been asked to do things I KNEW I couldn’t do very well, and I have always refused. A task deserves someone up to the challenge. Being solid in your lane is much more important than being flash.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – That’s the issue for me about her, she doesn’t seem to be able to connect with other people. Obama was just the opposite and Biden and Clinton. But she is a very focused and brilliant person, just without that trait of connection with others, you can’t win national office.

AdLib15 hours ago

CL there is only so much faking till you make it one can do it eventually will catch up with you and when it does it’s not at all pretty.

twilson117

15 hours ago

Actually the person I think would be a good PC is Sharrod

twilson117

15 hours ago

Obama and now Jeffries have the ability to reach people across many lines. It’s not that they’re male – they just get it better. We need that certainty. Harris doesn’t have it. Kuehl does – I’ve seen her interact with VERY RW people and keep them focused and engaged and feeling well treated. It’s an elusive characteristic. But I know it when it’s missing.

choicelady

15 hours ago

Sorry hit enter before I finished, I wanted to say Sharrod Brown from Ohio I believe would be a good candidate but he doesn’t want it.

twilson117

15 hours ago

CL – It is good to dream and aspire but for example, many people want to be famous actors especially here in LA but unless you were born with the right looks or have a certain something in your performance, it just ain’t gonna happen no matter how talented and able one is.

AdLib15 hours ago

TW – I would vote for Sharrod in a moment. My ex has had quite a lot of interaction with him. He’s the real deal.

choicelady

15 hours ago

CL – Good point, it’s definitely something you recognize when it’s missing and in Kamala, it is.

AdLib14 hours ago

CL yes he is and he is a what voters like a people’s man I believe the saying goes.

twilson117

14 hours ago

In lieu of Sherrod, maybe Sheldon Whitehouse? Same gravitas, same speechifying ability, same compassion. He deserves a look.

choicelady

14 hours ago

I like the SH guys, Sherrod and Sheldon.

AdLib14 hours ago

Both are smart and principled.

AdLib14 hours ago

CL Sheldon Whitehouse would have to shed the Rohde Island drawback.

twilson117

14 hours ago

Well, we have time to think about it. I’d love another president of color, but Booker isn’t it, and while I’m probably too tired to think it through, I can’t come up with someone who has the experience.

choicelady

14 hours ago

I wonder if Biden will run again. A new poll shows he’s climbed back up to a 50% approval rating which is very good for him and his prospects.

AdLib14 hours ago

Wattsaamatter with RI? Oh, Wait. I lived there. Never mind.

choicelady

14 hours ago

CL – I like Warnock, he’s not as well known nationally but he is impressive to me.

AdLib14 hours ago

CL maybe a Brown Whitehouse ticket that would be interesting.

twilson117

14 hours ago

Oh yes – there you go. He might be ready by 2028 though possibly not 2024.

choicelady

14 hours ago

CL yes you got my meaning.

twilson117

14 hours ago

You know who I really like? Joe Neguse.

AdLib14 hours ago

I have a friend, a Methodist gay minister, who was the nephew of Raymond Patriarca. He doesn’t talk about it a lot. You can see why.

choicelady

14 hours ago

Neguse is from CO right?

twilson117

14 hours ago

TW – Gonna need more diversity, I don’t think we’ll see two white men running as a Dem ticket again.

AdLib14 hours ago

TW now Neguse is someone who is a total cipher to me. I’ll pay attention.

choicelady

14 hours ago

Yep, Neguse is from CO and he is an amazing orator and brilliant.

AdLib14 hours ago

Ad well you Brown and Booker or Brown and Warnock maybe?

twilson117

14 hours ago

Check out Neguse:

AdLib14 hours ago

Well, dear friends – I need to bid adieu. The “siren song of sheets” is calling. After several cold and fairly sleepless nights with no power, I am finding I’m not bouncing back well. See you next week? Have a lovely long weekend.

choicelady

14 hours ago

Good night!

choicelady

14 hours ago

I forget he was one of the impeachment managers

twilson117

14 hours ago

Yep! He did a great job!

AdLib14 hours ago

Well its just us so who is going to call first.

twilson117

14 hours ago

I know they planned out who would cover what but he hit great points.

AdLib14 hours ago

My turn, I’ll call you…

AdLib14 hours ago

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