Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 4 hours ago
Hey PPO! AdLib 2 hours ago
How are things? AdLib 2 hours ago
Hey Ad! Coffe time! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
Yum! AdLib 2 hours ago
Coffee and Baileys time here. AdLib 2 hours ago
Rough month, Fergies B’day, Wedding anni and Passing anni. Hanging in. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
Oh, that’s a lot to deal with. Hope you’re holding up okay. AdLib 2 hours ago
Let me know when you’re back PPO! AdLib 2 hours ago
back again, Ad. Planning next july starts next week pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
It’ll be here before we turn around! AdLib 2 hours ago
Looking forward to it. AdLib 2 hours ago
What’s the latest on Mr Pelosi? pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
They say he will recover but he’s having to undergo brain surgery according to reports, the assailant hit him in the head with a hammer. Jesu! AdLib 2 hours ago
The sooner TFG is in jail, the better pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
Hi, CL pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
Hello! Ad and PPO – this is GREAT! choicelady 2 hours ago
The Trump/Maga Brownshirt terrorism is only growing. They’re probably drooling at killing monorities and Jews. AdLib 2 hours ago
minorities AdLib 2 hours ago
CL! How are your eyes doing! AdLib 2 hours ago
PPO – I fear once TFG is in prison, it will get WORSE. choicelady 2 hours ago
Murph! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
Hey Murph! AdLib 2 hours ago
Murph! choicelady 2 hours ago
How are things in IL, Murph? AdLib 2 hours ago
Hello guys…..exhausted. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
CL, if he’s in jail, no rallies and hate socail messages pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
Don;t forget, it’s stochastic terrorism month. AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad – my eyes suck. I have hope that the “low vision clinic” will figure out the problems. choicelady 2 hours ago
CL – That’s really disappointing news. They don’t know what’s causing it right now? AdLib 2 hours ago
Well, PPO – you finally gave me something to hope for. No rallies, no messaging. I hadn’t considered the peace that could come with that. choicelady 2 hours ago
Trump back on Twitter……the clock is running down to …… a blitz from the egomonster. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Is he, Murph? I’ll just block him. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
I’m not sure how this is different from pre ban. I never had to deal with Trump – blocked and deloaded. If we can keep doing that, nothing changes. choicelady 2 hours ago
CL – I think you’re right, the “lone wolf” and militia terrorism will probably get worse when Trump is indicted and (if the Gods of Justice allow) imprisoned but that has to happen. It will only justify a real legal and law enforcement crackdown on the fascist MAGA movement. AdLib 2 hours ago
Musk has at much said that he will be opening the door. This is ALL so dangerous. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Major Ad posters on Twitter claim they’ll cancel if TFG is allowed back. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
Ad…you presume that the good guys will have the means to enforce justice. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
We have had this problem since forever. I would urge everyone to follow Rachel Maddow’s podcast – msnbc.com/ultra She tracks the origins of today back to 1940. The first three podcasts are RIVETING. choicelady 2 hours ago
2 new SCOTUS seats and Senate Maj in 10 days may do it, Murph pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
Trump has said he’ll stay on Truth Social, he has to or he’ll get sued by the few investors left in it. But I have been protesting beginning today, avoiding Twitter under Musk. I swore never to buy a Tesla, I can’t abide putting money in Musk’s pockets one way or another. Maybe this is an opportunity to bring more folks from Twitter to The Planet? AdLib 2 hours ago
PPO….I fear the GOP is going to romp on November 8. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
I do think the “organized militias” are pretty lame. It is the McVeighs I fear. choicelady 2 hours ago
Ouch! don’t say that, Murph! Lots of young voters will go Dem ticket. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
Murph – Let’s bet a dollar. My dollar says Trump will be indicted within the next four months. AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad…..the Planet sets a tone that is mature, fact based, well argued and present with a commitment to dialog. There are very few who find that appealing. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
glen!!!! AdLib 2 hours ago
hi glenn pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
I will hope more Twitter people come here. But as long as I don’t buy anything online via Twitter, I think I get a free ride on Elon’s back. Though, having written that, I’m sort of grossed out by it. Eeeuuwwww. choicelady 2 hours ago
CL – Yes, I second that, Maddow’s Ultra podcast is enlightening and frightening. AdLib 2 hours ago
Ad…..if he is indicted that will fuel the raging fire I fear and he will be lifted even higher in the Patheon of Right Wing Gods. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
GLENN!!!! Great to see you! You and PPO on the same night is a treat. And it’s always good with Ad and Murph regularly. choicelady 2 hours ago
Glenn…..so glad you are here. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
Murph – A legit fear though I think a Blue Wave has as good of a chance. AdLib 2 hours ago
Good evening everyone. Hope everyone is doing fine. glenn 2 hours ago
Murph – that elevation to sainthood is real, but it looks as if the numbers of people enchanted by Trump are crashing. choicelady 2 hours ago
Without a blue wave, I fear that we are on a very slippery slope. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
CL – Yes, the militias in general have huge belly morons but then there are Proud Boys and Oath Keepers and more. AdLib 2 hours ago
CL…how so? Numbers crashing? You may be seeing something I am not. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
glenn – I am doing OK. Still have vision problems, but I CAN see you and am delighted you’re here. choicelady 2 hours ago
The Murdoch Muppets on Fox and Sky are panicking, bringing up such dumb crap to scare the already gullible. Hopefully, more of us won’t be diverted. GOTV pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
Murph – I cannot remember what I read this week that polled MAJOR drop offs in support for Trump on many fronts. choicelady 2 hours ago
glenn – How are YOU? choicelady 2 hours ago
Ad— i’m not a betting person but I hope your bet is correct. glenn 2 hours ago
Murph – I agree about the need for the Blue Wave. Here’s hoping… choicelady 2 hours ago
Ad…..I will take your bet….but I really want to lose it. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago
CL— Yes so glad to see you too. I’m doing OK. Had to do dialysis two days in a row this week and it just wiped me out. But I’m doing OK. glenn an hour ago
Murph – It’s always been the case that there are far more people who like to romp around in the shallow end of the pool then dive into the deep end but Twitter, Facebook, etc. have used their researching of manipulating people’s short term attention span to foster an intensify it. I find Twitter miminally useful to find news stories I otherwise might not learn about but my desire to converse on social media has greatly declined. I am spoiled by Plaeteers, I only like conversations with groups of people who are of substance and as smart or smarter about a wide range of things than I am. AdLib an hour ago
Glenn, you are a trooper. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Thanks Murph glenn an hour ago
Ad….my experience mirrors yours MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Oh no – I am so sorry you’re on dialysis and in a ROW. My mother did that, and I have some sense of how hard this is. I am sorry. choicelady an hour ago
Murph – That day has to come, when the Rule of Law stands above Trump and the MAGA terrorists are openly attacked for their fascist mentality. I see no way to stop this fascism than for them to rise up with another 1/6 but this time, have law enforcement and military crush them. AdLib an hour ago
Stay well, Glenn. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
All – I am glad I’m here because just before dinner I read comments about Paul Pelosi that so infuriated me I was ready to break my own windows. Thanks for a puddle of calm in the tempest of the RW storm. choicelady an hour ago
Glenn…my father was also on dialysis near the end of his time with us. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
CL…without quoting what are THOSE people saying. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
The MAGAts are so full of hate, they blame Nancy for the attack! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Glenn…..you seem to have held onto that spirit we all love….yes? MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
I’ve know many folks who did dialysis for years. Not fun, but they are alive. So let’s give a shout out for modern science and keeping us going. choicelady an hour ago
Hey, Paul Ryan came out this week to declare that Trump will not be their nom in 2024 because he is too “divisive”…meaning too hated by all but MAGA. And his indictments will only drag him down more. So would it be better to have Trump as the nom or too scary that somehow, they could cheat and annoint him President for Life? AdLib an hour ago
CL and Glenn…my experience is many decades old and in an environment where I did not trust theproviders. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Does Paul Ryan have any credibility or standing in the GOP now. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – it’s “false flag”{, “was Nancy REALLY in DC” and just indifference to the human cost of this. LOTS are piling on about “defund the police” and how this is on her even though SHE isn’t the one who said that. The Squad has a LOT to apologize for. choicelady an hour ago
Murph – We all want that bet to turn out the same. I have confidence though and I haven’t had it in the past. GA is going to indict Trump too. AdLib an hour ago
CL— only had to do dialysis two days in a row this week because the dialysis center had a problem on Monday. Normally I do Mondays Wednesdays and Fridays, so that’s not too bad. glenn an hour ago
glenn – That has to be so draining to do dialisys two days in a row. Why did you have to do two sessions in two days? AdLib an hour ago
glenn – I know the drill. But it’s a huge chunk of time no matter what. Sorry it got MORE onerous. May next week be better. choicelady an hour ago
CL…..when I think of the video of nancy directing responsible behavior on Jan 6 and how she has managed not to stoop to the incendiary tactics of the right….this kind of hate against her husband is truly demonical. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
CL-yes that’s it I am going to have to do dialysis for the rest of my life but as you say it’s keeping me alive. The weird part is that I don’t feel bad anywhere else and I don’t even realize that my kidneys aren’t working. In other words I have no pain anywhere else so I can handle dialysis glenn an hour ago
Murph – Paul Ryan is on the Board at Fox News so it is significant for that reason. AdLib an hour ago
Murph – yes. She has been acerbic about Trump but no one else. I’m sick of the RW. I’ve been fighting them and LOSING people to their predations since 1976. I want this to stop. choicelady an hour ago
Ad….I did not know that. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Ad— I had to do two sessions in two days because the dialysis centers pump went down on Monday and none of the machines were working so glenn an hour ago
Tremble in fear, folks. Kanye is back on Twitter! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
CL – The sad fact is that no matter what happens, 1/6, Herschel Walker and Kanye being exposed as hypocrites and bigots, Paul Pelosi being attacked, their game is always the same, twist everything that reflects the evil in their movement as being a symbol of evil in the Dems. Nothing will ever happen that isn’t perverted by them in this way so always expect it. AdLib an hour ago
So I had to go Tuesday to make up for a Monday and then Wednesday is my regular day. My doctor didn’t want me to wait until Wednesday because that would mean I hadn’t had dialysis in 4 1/2 days— Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday and I don’t go to dialysis until the afternoon. glenn an hour ago
glenn – That is very good news that you’re feeling well otherwise. AdLib an hour ago
ad that kind of hate is very attractive to many on the right…they get energy from it. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Glenn – that is superb. I will caution that if you start to have joint pain, BE sure to have them check for blood infections. My mother got that, went into her bones, was excruciating. She missed several appointments, and by the time she wound up in the hospital, she was too far damaged to repair. So speak UP if you start to have joint pain. choicelady an hour ago
Glenn…delighted to read that overall you feel more yourself. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
PPO – This is funny though, Kanye is no longer a bilionaire, he’s lost like half of his net worth and growing. I can’t think of anyone who’s asked for it more than Kanye bragging that he can be an anti-Semite and Adidas can’t do a damn thing about it. Bam! AdLib an hour ago
CL— thanks for the tip about blood infections. I am very aware of that because I’ve had sepsis which is a blood infection five times. I know that I have an infection if I start to get nauseous. glenn an hour ago
GM temporarily suspends ads on Twitter after Elon Musk takeover -CNBC pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Murph – It is very much like the Confederacy, MAGAs getting juiced by MAGA violence but when Grant and Sherman were done with them, kind of took the fight out of them. We are in a Cold Civil War right now that’s growing hotter but as long as we don’t lose our democracy, they can be crushed by a majority as they frame themselves more as murderers and terrorists. AdLib an hour ago
It so disturbs me to see prominent black men (and some women) serving those whose racism is among their prominent “virtues” MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
So what do folks here think the odds are of a successful assassination by a MAGA against a high profile Dem? I fear that the growing frequency of this stochastic terrorism is more and more likely to lead to that. Then how does the nation react? AdLib an hour ago
Ad…your post stands on the hope that those people do not gain a mastery of the U.S. political culture and cannot be successfully opposed. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Ad – that is a good analogy, but our reading in the “anti hate crimes world” is that they lack the firepower, the manpower (women don’t count) and organizational skills to mount a real rebellion. They DO have the McVeighs – people who can do hideous damage on their own. choicelady an hour ago
We really have to clamp down on “true threats”. Those are NOT protected speech. choicelady an hour ago
Ad…I agree that the scenario you lay out is quite likely. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
CL…another of the sad realities that has been exposed is how corrupted our policing had become…again shades of the Rise of the Third Reich. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
If the RW wins real power, not just one house, I am leaving the USA with or without my husband who thinks I’m nuts. I cannot deal with the threats to me and him anymore. choicelady an hour ago
CL….Canada beckons. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
CL, there’s a bed for you in Melbourne! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Murph – that’s the damned truth. On even a local level in CA, it sucks. choicelady an hour ago
To all— your concern and compassion just warms my heart and I am so lucky to have friends like you. But I’m done talking about me tonight thank you all again I’m going back to talking about all that’s going on glenn an hour ago
I have two Alaskan friends, gay men, who would join me in a compound. All are invited. choicelady an hour ago
I may need to get me a bigger house. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
We love you, glenn. Carry on however YOU wish tonight! choicelady an hour ago
PPO – That is very good news about GM suspending ads on Twitter. I have seen some folks there, as I peaked just a couple times today instead of spending more time there as I have until now, saying that Progressives are declining in follower counts and NYT said more RW MAGA types are signing up. I can definitely see how Twitter could very likely become a toxic swamp within the next year and I don’t need to see that first hand. I have committed now to only checking it a couple of times a day, not posting there anymore and always closing it on my phone or computer so I can’t be counted as hanging out there like I used to. AdLib an hour ago
I had an argument with a gay associate from SC who is married. He is also strong GOP loyalist. Bizarre. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – I fear for people such as your friend. I really do. choicelady an hour ago
CL – Right, I don’t fear the MAGAs being able to literally overthrow the US in a physical way, just like the Canadian Trucker thing, they will likely try to create that big moment but instead end up making the majority hate them more and want them crushed by law enforcement. AdLib an hour ago
Murph— I have to agree with CL. Does your friend give a reason for being a GOP loyalist? glenn an hour ago
CL…my friend reminds me of German Jews who made excuses for Hitler because they believed he would be strong and effective. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – that’s an apt analogy. They don’t see the danger because it requires change in their own lives. It would be very hard to endure, but we need to think seriously about leaving. choicelady an hour ago
glenn… think my friend thinks the gay bashing is all a politcal front and that the right governs best. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – HOW do the “Rights” govern best? What hole is his head buried in? choicelady an hour ago
CL…my friend and his spouse are law and order enthusiasts. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph— if that’s truly the way your your friend feels I just can’t understand it. Doesn’t he see the dichotomy of the GOP position where they don’t want government in their lives they don’t want government at all and yet they want a government that tells them what to do because they want a strong and authoritative government it doesn’t make any sense to me glenn an hour ago
I give up. Data show Dems are more fiscally responsible and do a far better job. If facts mean nothing, we are doomed. choicelady an hour ago
CL – Absolutely! It does not infringe on the 1st Amendment to stop speech that incites violence, that has been established over hundreds of years. SO why should Fox News and the other RW outlets whipping up this violence and anti-American hatred keep being allowed to do so? Yes, I know the “slippery slope” bs but maybe Congress could at least pass a law that better defines manipulating people to be hateful and violent as a crime. AdLib an hour ago
Murph – are they racist? choicelady an hour ago
CL…the right says your facts are lies and they are truth tellers…..the minions believe. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
CL – I think we may build a village in PPO’s backyard for ex-Americans fleeing fascism. AdLib an hour ago
CL— it seems it’s been a while since facts mattered to the GOP. glenn an hour ago
CL…..are they racist…I expect that beneath their cosmopolitan demeanor they are wearing hoods and burning crosses. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Ad— it takes a village. glenn an hour ago
Plenty of room to expand New America! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Murph – We’ve seen it in history so many times, those who are part of a group framed as enemies of the state by a fascist regime who see an opportunity by joining the fascists. The Vichy in occupied France kind of thing. AdLib an hour ago
All right my friends. I’m worn out so i’m going to say good night. Thank you all for being such great people and hopefully I will see you next week. glenn an hour ago
Good night Glenn…sleep well, rest up….. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
take care, glenn. Hugs pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Ad….recall how the elite sponsors of Hitler’s brown shirts defended their support as “you do not understand. Hitler is not in charge. We are. We have hire him. He works for us.” Nope. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
glenn an hour ago
glenn – Exactly. What an amazing village it would be if all the folks here lived in it. We do, here at The Planet but I think it’s proof of what a wonderful village we could all create if not for the RW neanderthals. AdLib an hour ago
Night glenn, so good to see you! Rest up and have a relaxing weekend! AdLib an hour ago
Be well, glenn. It’s always lovely to see you. Hugs! choicelady an hour ago
I’m going to head off. Next Tuesday, Australia has a public holiday……….for a friggin’ horse race, the Melbourne Cup! sigh. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Murph – Yep, I remember those Nazi apologists and there were Jews, Europeans and Americans who were just fine with Hitler’s white supremacy because they saw themselves as immune to it. And how did that work out? AdLib an hour ago
So long PPO…..enjoy… MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Night all pinkpantheroz an hour ago
This conversation is SO freaking depressing. I want us to do well in 1,5 weeks. I hate having to think about uprooting my life to be safe. All I wanted was a lovely, quiet retirement. I’m not getting it. And I HATE that. choicelady an hour ago
PPO – Have a nice weekend! AdLib an hour ago
Good night, dear PPO! choicelady an hour ago
CL….and you are CA…folks like myself live in hostile terrirory. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
I am very scared for you, Murph. VERY scared. choicelady an hour ago
CL – It’s depressing but realistic to accept the possibility of the fascists succeeding to one degree or another. But I do also imagine that a surprising Blue Wave can really happen too and help Dems protect the nation from this onslought. AdLib an hour ago
CL..Me too…. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – are you more at risk if we DO succeed in keeping the House and Senate? I could see that. I seriously hope you’re “locked and loaded”. choicelady an hour ago
Murph – I see one awful story after another about Repub pols in MO, the latest was the AG is fining the police for helping the Feds catch illegal arms deals by cops in MO. AdLib an hour ago
Is TW trying to log on? choicelady an hour ago
CL – I keep seeing TW pop in and out, have no idea what the issue is. AdLib an hour ago
I got bumped earlier – the internet is being twitchy again tonight. choicelady an hour ago
Ad….widespread reporting that key populations are not turning out to vote as was originally projected (think women, LGPTQs, blacks and hispanics) MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Oh, he’s locked himself out by using the wrong password too many times. BRB as I unlock his account. AdLib an hour ago
Murph – I read very different reports from states NOT Missouri. That does give me hope. choicelady an hour ago
Ad…you are a whiz! MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
I so want Warnock and Ryan to win!!! All the others, of course, but especially them. choicelady an hour ago
CL….I am gasping for air here and elsewhere….I would give a lot to be deeply, horridly wrong. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
There, TW is unlocked again! Hope he remembers his password! AdLib an hour ago
I know. I’m scared to my foundations. You aren’t alone. choicelady an hour ago
Just saw some hacker tried to login as “Adlib”. AdLib an hour ago
Wel tht’s stupid. choicelady an hour ago
Ad….what do the hackers want to do here. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – I’m hearing differently, early voting for Dems has been bigger margins and numbers than in 2020 and 2018. AdLib an hour ago
Why am I reliving the few episodes of the “Walking Dead” I ever saw with the zombies at the gates trying to get in? choicelady an hour ago
Ad…hope your sources are better than mine. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Ad – that is EXACTLY what I’m hearing, and the assault on Paul Pelosi will actually galvanize voters I suspect. choicelady an hour ago
Murph – I think, for now, MO is a lost cause. I don’t think that’s true everywhere. choicelady an hour ago
TW!!!!’ choicelady an hour ago
He is IN the house! choicelady an hour ago
It’s tough getting old. Too many damn passwords to remember twilson117 an hour ago
TW – ain’t that the damned truth! choicelady an hour ago
Let me just say, realistically, the Dems could have a very successful night and keep Congress. Don’t let the MSM fool you. The numbers of early voters does not support their meme about Repubs gaining. AdLib an hour ago
TW!!! AdLib an hour ago
Hello everyone sorry I’m late was on another call twilson117 an hour ago
Well….I am leaving for Ill in the early morn as I am giving a lot of time and expertise to the folks there. I wish I had some Ill options. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
We heard you knocking TW but only you had the keys! AdLib an hour ago
Best wishes, Murph. We are rooting for her. And thus for you. choicelady an hour ago
TW…good thing that Ad is the MASTER of e-world. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Well I here for the moment I know its late but better late than never. twilson117 an hour ago
Murph – Remember, it’s always darkest before the dawn. The worry of the fascists succeeding is legit and deserved but that does not mean that they will. AdLib an hour ago
CL and Ad I see some excitement in the Polisi house I hope her husband is ok twilson117 an hour ago
CL….confidence growing around my candidate so efforts are being made in borderline contests. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
TW – Good to see you whenever you’re here! AdLib an hour ago
Murph got that right. Ad the Key master. twilson117 an hour ago
Good night, Murph. Drive safely to IL. choicelady an hour ago
Murph – that is superb news. I will be watching. choicelady 44 minutes ago
I do think Dems could pull out a surprising victory. It’s not woshful thinking, it’s really a good possibility. AdLib 44 minutes ago
Murph you heading to IL? twilson117 44 minutes ago
CL….thank you….still here as I wander about my rooms getting ready to bed down. MurphTheSurf3 44 minutes ago
TW – yes, this was horrific and shocking, and I’m worried about her husband’s injuries. Hope he CAN recover at 82. choicelady 44 minutes ago
Murph – So my new donation gave Nikki the bump she needed? AdLib 44 minutes ago
Murph – LOL! Moving on is not necessarily moving OUT, is it? choicelady 43 minutes ago
CL yes age is clearly a factor there. twilson117 43 minutes ago
TW…I am spending a lot of time in Ill working for a congressional candidate and as of today working with the state GOTV effort. MurphTheSurf3 43 minutes ago
Murph how does it look? twilson117 43 minutes ago
Murph – You’re doing the work of the angels! Keep it up! AdLib 43 minutes ago
Murph – what is her district number again? I forfgot. choicelady 43 minutes ago
What do we know about the Pelosi assailant? MurphTheSurf3 43 minutes ago
Murph – he is QAnon, he’s an election denier, he has poste rancid homophobic, anti-Semitic, and racist things. He is the epitome of MAGA at its most corrupt. choicelady 42 minutes ago
The 13th. MurphTheSurf3 42 minutes ago
CL: Nikki Budzinski to run for Illinois 13th District congressional seat AdLib 41 minutes ago
He is 42, he lives in Berkeley, and he is estranged from his family. He can’t be happy in Berkeley. So he crossed the Bay to do harm. choicelady 41 minutes ago
CL that is what I heard about him, it’s a damn shame we have this nonsense going on. twilson117 41 minutes ago
CL…THANKS FOR THE INFO…..it makes sense….I hope that people realize that this is a shade of things to come. MurphTheSurf3 41 minutes ago
Thanks Murph – that’s actually, amazingly, the district number I remembered for her. choicelady 41 minutes ago
CL – Has all of that come out about the Pelosi attacker? For much of the day, they just said he shouted he was looking for Nancy so we kind of new who this madman had to be. AdLib 40 minutes ago
The 13th has been reshaped and is far more diverse place. MurphTheSurf3 40 minutes ago
Ad…I think of the 1/6 Attackers wandering the halls calling out “NANCY, NANCY…” MurphTheSurf3 39 minutes ago
And the Repubs just turn it into, “This is because of Dems de-funding the police!” Which is just adding fuel to the fire of stochastic terrorism. AdLib 38 minutes ago
I ansolutely believe that the fascists will never win in the end but sadly, I can imagine a kind of Kristallnacht happening one nightin this country. AdLib 38 minutes ago
Ad….the Rethugs, modern brown and black shirts, are propagandists. MurphTheSurf3 37 minutes ago
AdI think of the razing of Tulsa. MurphTheSurf3 37 minutes ago
Ad, I attended via online a lecture Daniel Ziblatt one of the Authors of How Democracies die and he said something you’ve been saying for some time which is for our democracy to be sustainable we need voting rights reform, get rid of the electoral college retirement for the SCJ and multi racial democracy. twilson117 36 minutes ago
Ad – on msn.com they also laugh at the “no cash bail” as setting criminals free. Well, they recalled the DA that did that. Not actually a thing in this case. choicelady 36 minutes ago
TW….along with your suggestions….add in rigorous civics instruction. MurphTheSurf3 36 minutes ago
TW- we HAVE to win both houses decently to get rid of the filibuster and make those changes. choicelady 35 minutes ago
Murph – Yes, the virulent hate and calls for death of Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, etc. has disgustingly been allowed to grow on Fox, Newsmax, etc. This is why I think the Feds need to get tough and really crack down on this support of domestic terrorism. Maybe, if Dems keep Congress, they could pass a domestic terrorism bill that targets the support of it in social media and media outlets. Narrowly targeted on encouraging hate and violence. AdLib 35 minutes ago
CL…I will still take any win, even a narrowone. MurphTheSurf3 35 minutes ago
Murph – AMEN! We definitely need Civics education. The ignorance, Left and Right, on how things work is appalling. choicelady 35 minutes ago
Murph – I will agree. choicelady 35 minutes ago
CL…we are on the same page. MurphTheSurf3 34 minutes ago
CL oh yeah he mentioned the filibuster as well. What I found interesting about that there is nothing in the Constitution about it. twilson117 34 minutes ago
As one fighting for strng hate crimes laws in CA, I know there is fear of enforcing things, but on the Fed level, it’s essential. choicelady 34 minutes ago
TW – no, the filibuster is JUST a rule. A stinko rule but a rule. choicelady 33 minutes ago
TW the filibuster exists as a procedure adopted by the senate via internal voting. MurphTheSurf3 33 minutes ago
Yes, bring back civics it is sorely needed. twilson117 33 minutes ago
Murph – if we can chill Sinema and Manchin, we can kill the filibuster with a simple majority. choicelady 33 minutes ago
Murph and can’t it be done away with if Dem’s have the majority? twilson117 32 minutes ago
TW – That’s very cool to hear those views are growing around us! I don’t think we can get rid of the Electoral College directly which would require a Constitutional amendment but we could push hard for states to join the movement for Popular Vote laws in states which many states have already passed. They say that electors will be awarded from their state based only on the popular vote of the country. The trigger for it to go into effect is to have sufficient states with at least a majority of electors but that can be done. AdLib 32 minutes ago
Did any of the three of you NOT have civics because I did. choicelady 32 minutes ago
Ad – I agree on a ‘work around’ the EC. We can do that. choicelady 31 minutes ago
Ad you’re right about that. What I find interesting was his reference to it being done because we were mostly a country of farmers. twilson117 31 minutes ago
Here’s a link for The National Popular Vote movement: https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/written-explanation AdLib 31 minutes ago
Ad along with the country being sparsely populated. twilson117 31 minutes ago
I’ve worked with that National Pop Vote group. They are very sane. \ choicelady 30 minutes ago
CL – If you’ve worked on it, that’s the Seal of Approval anyone should need! AdLib 30 minutes ago
I wish to do away with an archaic convention, the EC, that gives more power to cows than to people. choicelady 30 minutes ago
CL….yes had a semester long course and civics was integrated into history of the u.s. AND there was a mandatory test on the state level as a 7th grader and as a Junior that required 80 percent scores to pass it. No pass. No diploma. P.S. exceptions that were disability related were granted. MurphTheSurf3 30 minutes ago
Yes, they’ve passed it in 16 states including big states like CA, just need several more states for it to go into effect. And that is a way to short circuit this fascist takeover as well. AdLib 29 minutes ago
CL while Zlblatt didn’t say that exactly it is what I got from it. twilson117 29 minutes ago
Ad – we started right after Citizens United and could see the momentum. It got slowed during the Trump years, but it’s still viable ESPECIALLY after the fucking (sorry) Eastman memo that was ginned up by ALEC and CNP. I KNOW the man from CNP who did it. Former Senator from Riverside CA. ASSHOLE extraordinaire. choicelady 28 minutes ago
CL twilson117 28 minutes ago
GOP have effective control of 27 states. Dems have 23. With a free legislature EC reform will not be touched. MurphTheSurf3 27 minutes ago
TW – It’s late, I can’t see, I’m peeved. Forgive me, please. choicelady 27 minutes ago
Cl Eastman is the at the heart of all this dark money that can’t be gotten rid of twilson117 27 minutes ago
Some info on the NPV: “The National Popular Vote bill will take effect when enacted into law by states possessing 270 electoral votes (a majority of the 538 electoral votes). As of April 26, 2021, the bill has been enacted into law in 16 jurisdictions possessing 195 electoral votes, including 4 small states (Delaware, Hawaii, Rhode Island, Vermont), 8 medium-sized states (Colorado, Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington), 3 big states (California, Illinois, New York), and the District of Columbia. The bill will take effect when enacted by states possessing an additional 75 electoral votes. ” AdLib 27 minutes ago
Cl no I hit my return key by accident. 
twilson117 26 minutes ago
Ad Lib interesting report on the movement. MurphTheSurf3 26 minutes ago
TW – actually NO, Eastman was the “messenger”. The actual plot comes from ALEC and CNP. I have the receipts. Here is the video where they start to lay out the plan Febv. 2020 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alec-challenge-trump-loss-corporations_n_5f99cf20c5b61d63241ee6dd choicelady 25 minutes ago
TW – I’m still apologizing for letting my “mouth” rip here. choicelady 25 minutes ago
CL – If there could be more of a concerted focus by high profile Dems to get this passed in several more states, we could do this and have a NPV as the law of the land instead of electoral colleges. It’s not that far from happening with momentum. AdLib 24 minutes ago
Watch that video – she names names and lays down the Eastman plan before Eastman. choicelady 24 minutes ago
I am off to bed…..6 AM comes soon….. MurphTheSurf3 24 minutes ago
Ad – totally agree. choicelady 24 minutes ago
CL Oh, who headed up the federalist society and recently got a major donation for them? twilson117 24 minutes ago
OK – Golod night, Murph. See you next Friday I hope. Safe journey to IL and home. choicelady 24 minutes ago
CL – I know what I’ll do with the $800M I win in Powerball tomorrow! NPV! AdLib 23 minutes ago
Tw – I saw that about the Federalists, but they are focused on the courts not elections. I know what you’re talking about but can’t remember. choicelady 23 minutes ago
OK!!! Ad, that is a powerful use of your money!!! choicelady 23 minutes ago
A business owner donated like $1.2B to the Federalists. AdLib 22 minutes ago
CL, ok I got my wires crossed on that thought you were referring the federalist society or should we call them the fixer sociiety? twilson117 22 minutes ago
CL – And I’ll buy Planeteers electric cars! You get a car and you get a car! AdLib 22 minutes ago
I remember the event but not the name. Googled it – two different names. Very confusing. No one you ever heard of before. choicelady 21 minutes ago
Ad – you’re the Oprah of the Planet!!! choicelady 21 minutes ago
CL – I like it! I am “Oprah of the Planet”! AdLib 20 minutes ago
TW – I was talking about ALEC and CNP, the secular and religious RW groups. They created the plan to overturn the 2020 election. See that link to HuffPo – it’s a video of them discussing it. choicelady 20 minutes ago
OK guys – eyes are seriously giving out. Gotta go. See you – literally – next week. Have a good weekend and week to come. choicelady 19 minutes ago
So Ad when do I get my new car, or should I say new consitution? 
twilson117 19 minutes ago
Night CL twilson117 19 minutes ago
CL – Shouldn’t the DoJ be hunting down ALEC and CNP? We knew a fully vetted plan had to be handed to Trump, he’s not clever enough to have thought it up. AdLib 19 minutes ago
You get a new Constitution! And you get a new Constitution! AdLib 19 minutes ago
Well looks like it’s just you and me for the moment. twilson117 18 minutes ago
If things go badly at the midterms we’re going to need one. twilson117 18 minutes ago
If the Lottery Gods are listening, I promise to devote a huge part of the money to making NPV the law of the land. And buying a house with a car elevator. AdLib 18 minutes ago
Yep, if things go bad, it’s going to become a literal war. AdLib 17 minutes ago
I’m guessing the power ball is at some ungodly number twilson117 17 minutes ago
You and me again, TW! AdLib 17 minutes ago
Powerball is at $825M. I know I’ll never win but for one night, I can imagine being wealthier than Kanye but using my wealth to help the country. AdLib 16 minutes ago
Well I was late engaged with a buddy in Boston we talk on a regular basis about politics and other things conversations have tendency to go very long. twilson117 16 minutes ago
I swear some day it will crack a billion. twilson117 15 minutes ago
I’m sure it was a great conversation then. Are you and he optimistic about what the election results or not? AdLib 15 minutes ago
It did break $1B earlier this year. In case you’re wondering, no, I didn’t win it. AdLib 14 minutes ago
I’m very worried. For example I do and don’t understand how Walker and Warnock are in a tie twilson117 13 minutes ago
It did break a billion, wow didn’t know that. Since I know I will never win I don’t play it or pay a lot of attention to it unless it hits numbers like you’re talking about. twilson117 12 minutes ago
As to the elections I not sure I should take hope in the early voting numbers. twilson117 11 minutes ago
I may end up being wrong but I think polling is very messed up this year because the rule of thumb is to use the averages of likely voters in the previous election of this kind. So polling uses the breakdown from the last off year election, in 2018, maybe balanced with 2020 in some cases. But I think the women turnout increases and registration gains wouldn’t be as properly reflected. I don’t think Walker is tied with Warnock. We’ll see but I think Dems could have a much better night than any polls are reflecting now. AdLib 10 minutes ago
Ad I do hope so. twilson117 9 minutes ago
I only play the lottery when the numbers are ridiculously high and I only do it for the fun of going to sleep, imagining what I could do with all that money. It’s $2, way cheaper than paying for a movie ticket or amusement park entry fee, it’s just entertainment for me, no sincere belief that I could ever win more than the $2 or $5 bucks as I have from time to time. AdLib 8 minutes ago
Let me ask you this question. Say the Warnock Walker election is forced into a runoff because of the third party candidate. Do you believe Warnock wins in the runoff? twilson117 8 minutes ago
Yes, I think Warnock wins in any case. The fact that he won the first time gives me confidence that there are enough motivated voters on the Dem side and lsee-motivated voters on the Repub side to beat him. But, like everyone else, I feel it should end up that way but I just don’t know for certain. AdLib 6 minutes ago
I can see that. twilson117 6 minutes ago
less-motivated AdLib 6 minutes ago
It would be nice to Warnock win a full term. twilson117 5 minutes ago
Walker is just a fool. twilson117 5 minutes ago
I can see, realistically, the following Dem Senators winning: Warnock, Fetterman, Tim Ryan, Kelly, Hassan, and hopefully Beasley. More than enough for Dems to hold The Senate and have the 2 extra they need to end the filibuster. AdLib 3 minutes ago
Did you see that in AZ where they are counting ballots by hand it took them (I think) over five hours just to count and verify something like 50 votes and because of discrepancies in the hand counted tallies? twilson117 2 minutes ago
We have to always remember, in 2016, nearly all polls counted out Trump before the election. The fascist morons were undercounted. This year, I think post-Roe women are being undercounted especially. AdLib a minute ago
Ad I’m going to call you right now. twilson117 a few seconds ago
Yes, I saw that! It’s a disaster and the MAGA Repub running for SoS wants the whole state to switch to hand counts! The election wouldn’t be decided until next year. AdLib a few seconds ago
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