Vox Populi – 08-27-2021

Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hey Murph! How’s it going your way? AdLib 2 hours ago

First one here….now that’s a change…..

MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

You get the free beer this week! AdLib 2 hours ago

Hello Ad….things here are….well, mixed……there is an effort being made to undermine the new association that replaced the co-op….. MurphTheSurf3 2 hours ago

Free beer…..Ultra! MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Hey PPO! AdLib an hour ago

Murph, Ad! hi there pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph – Who is trying to undermine it and how? AdLib an hour ago

Hi PPO…..in the room early tonight….rare that is. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph – Here ya go! AdLib an hour ago

The folks who destroyed the co-op….. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

All the more welcome, friend. How was your week? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO – Are you in lockdown now? AdLib an hour ago

Murph – That would have been my first guess. And how are they trying to undermine it? AdLib an hour ago

Yes, Ad Seems almost permanebt. We can’t seem to stop the virus crossing into Victoria from NSW where it is out of control, but wr’re doing well compared. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad….trying to undermine our relationships with vendors, suppliers, banks etc. It’s all nonsense from a factual perspective but since the right is fact adverse…. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph, that would have been expected. They don’t want their puny little powers usurped by a real coop, do they? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hello everyone twilson117 an hour ago

Their culture is so mean, so vindictive and so hateful….in all that they do. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – If only they’d do whatever it takes to get Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in the country and have mandates (do they have any vaccine mandates?), they could end this vicious cycle. AdLib an hour ago

Hi…TW…. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Hey TW! AdLib an hour ago

Ad….any word from our friend in GA? MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

At least no ill effects so far from the AZ shots, except for Fergie’s deep chills now and then. So getting more confident all will be OK for us. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hi TW pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph – So they can’t really succeed with using their lies and badmouthing to undermine your association, just annoy everyone, right? AdLib an hour ago

The probelm , Ad is that our GOP-style Gummint refused to buy 40 MILLION doses of Pfizer 18 montha ago and we’re now at the back of the queue. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Well folks in my second week of not watching main street news, considering going for a thrid week. twilson117 an hour ago

Murph – I haven’t heard anything, I hope she’s progressing in her rehab. Will reach out to her. AdLib an hour ago

Ad, who are we referring to, pls? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad…as a whole those who who destroyed the co-op were among our weakest links and are generally not succeeding without the rest of us. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – That is so good to hear, aside from Fergie’s chills. But I hope they’re subsiding. AdLib an hour ago

Ad, yes, thank goodness, rare now. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hey Murph seems folks don’t like what you’re doing, Wow. Some folks are just plain jealous of success. twilson117 an hour ago

TW isn’t no news refreshing????

pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad…thanks for reaching out….let’s connect off Vox in the next day or so. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – Yes, I know that massive stupidity of the government there, was just hoping they could do something to help hasten the availability of the other vaccines. AdLib an hour ago

PPO it is espeically when they all seem to be looking for a scapegoat. twilson117 an hour ago

TW….I think they were willing to put up with me and those like me as long as we did nothing too radical….then we invited two black families into the co-op….boom! MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

POTUS is trying to fix all the SNAFUs the previous bastard dumped on him. And succeeding from what I see. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO….since picking up on your take on the gubmint down under….I have been paying attention…..in the spirit of the trumpistas they are. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph I think alot of it has to do with you understand success is far greater when everyone participates not just a few. twilson117 an hour ago

Murph, at least now they have the freedumb to go bust without bringing the rest down. Bigly Win for them!!! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

TW – Right with you on that, my boycott of MSM tv and online news continues as the propaganda wave they are nearly all riding on tries to savage Biden for things he’s not responsible for or could ever have prevented (suicide bombers in Afghanistan who blow themselves up as they get to a checkpoint to be searched can’t be stopped from happening). AdLib an hour ago

TW…a cooperative vision is certainly at the heart of what we aimed to do. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – Thinking of glenn. AdLib an hour ago

PPO…Free-Dumb!!! Love It.

MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad what they don’t understand is Biden will ride this out and be more popular than ever. twilson117 an hour ago

OPh, is she OK? I must have missed something. Sorry pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph – Sounds good! AdLib an hour ago

Murph you have that right. After isn’t that what a co-op is about? twilson117 an hour ago

Murph, your new asociation is sure to succeed due to the dedication and expertise of the members. Excuse my french, but the whingeers can go get fucked! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad I did read that the Trump** lawyers got a royal smack down in a 110 page ruling which suggests they be suspended and perhaps disbarred. twilson117 an hour ago

Ad, TW, our MSM are doing the same here, trying to destroy our ‘Dem’ Labor State Premiers to hide their failures. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

TW – Agreed, for good or bad, Americans don’t generally vote based on foreign affairs and Afghanistan has been pushed down the memory hole for two decades. By 2022, the only ones obsessed with it will be the insane GOP pols but it won’t be potent by then. In fact, the GOP will probably be howling about how the Afghans we brought over are terrorists and the cause of COVID outbreaks in anti-vaccine states like FL, MO and TX. AdLib an hour ago

I just sent Glenn a greeting from the Voices at Vox with a copy to Ad. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Lovely, Murph. Thanks for that. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO media seems to be the same everywhere it’s about the headlines twilson117 an hour ago

TW…thank you for the encouraging words re. the association. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad, how many of the 5,000 Tbans the Twice Impeached Florida Retiree freed up will end up here? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph no problem. I never understood why people think keeping others out will be better for them. twilson117 an hour ago

TW – Yes, I saw that too. It would be such an important statement for the judicial branch to make to press for the serious sanctioning and hopefully disbarment of all lawyers who participated in The Big Lie and the overthrow of our democracy. Will wait to see if the punishment is widespread among Trump’s lawyers as it needs to be, to scare away others from doing the same in 2024. AdLib an hour ago

Nice retaliation by POTUS with the drone strike. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

I think I shared last week that I know an Afghani-American woman doctor rather well. We have spoken of her homeland many times. She told me yesterday that there are five axes along which Afghan society is formed (or malformed) and they are represented by AQ, ISIS, Taliban, Warlords, Tribal Chieftans. Their natural state is rivalry and discord. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad based on what I’ve been seeing in my news feeds what was the Republican Party has move down the path of facism with all the foolish their members are now doing. twilson117 an hour ago

PPO – It just seems to me that this cynical game of trying to twist every possible event that happens into a partisan attack is so obvious and hollow. Yet, the polls show a certain number of indie voters, low info voters who appear just to read or hear headlines, are still the ignorant sheep they’ve always been. Even so, averaging around 50% now with the COVID upswing (as planned by Repubs) and Afghanistan, is still 10% higher than Trump was at this point without any big issues weighing him down…other than being a racist criminal. AdLib an hour ago

Agree, Murph, Afghans have been feuding among themselves for millennia, then join together to defeat any outside intrusions. History should have shown bush. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph – That was so kind of you to send that to glenn for all of us, she is very missed! AdLib an hour ago

Murph that sounds like centuries old hostilities. twilson117 an hour ago

“U.S. military forces conducted an over-the-horizon counterterrorism operation today against an ISIS-K planner,” said Capt. Bill Urban, spokesman for U.S. Central Command, in a statement. “The unmanned airstrike occurred in the Nangarhar Province of Afghanistan. Initial indications are that we killed the target. We know of no civilian casualties.” MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – The truth is, I doubt any of the 5,000 freed Taliban terrorists have any interest in leaving Afghanistan. They have the power there now, why go to the US or elsewhere to commit terrorism and egg on another invasion? Makes no sense. AdLib an hour ago

US may physically out of the country, but……. heh heh pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad, you are right. they can just destroy their country and leave it to others to do their dirty work overseas. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

The Mujahideen have long established links to the U.S. CIA….a key to the victories of 2002…..and t hey hate the Taliban……is the Taliban aware of this….you bet. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph – Yes, that’s exactly what I’ve been saying since Biden began the pullout, the Afghan culture is one that identifies warlords and religious tribes as being the natural rulers of their country. Of course many women and men too wanted a more enlightened and democratic government but they are in the minority, the majority was just fine with accepting the Taliban takeover because that’s the way things have worked there for centuries. AdLib an hour ago

Ad, Vietnam took a few years to restructure and become a working country welcome to the rest of the world. I don’t see this happening ever in Afghanistan, sadly for them. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad…my doctor friend would agree with you…in fact she has been one the women who has counseled against a high profile woman’s agenda in Afghanistan because it is so counter cultural. As she has told me many tmes….”I left because staying invited eventual loss” MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad and Murph something tells me the strong pull of greed will be the ultimate factor that will pull them together when they fully realize the wealth they have under their feet. And the only way they will be able to realize it is bringing a level of stability to their country. No country will want to come in and mind if their people are getting shot at. twilson117 an hour ago

TW – The GOP is now nothing but a hollow vehicle for racism and fascism. That’s it. The only bills they try to pass in states is to destroy democracy. They literally had no platform in 2020, none. No issues, no plans, nothing but wanting to grab power through fear and hatred. They are a sick and demented organization now and need to be shut out of power. But Krysten Sinema and Joe Manchin are bought off and will happily hand our democracy away. AdLib an hour ago

PPO…..it strikes me that Vietnam rather quickly set aside is “communist” identity……something that I think that provided resources in what was fundamentally an anti-imperial war. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Ad agree. twilson117 an hour ago

PPO years ago I said to friend we would soon be trading with them. I mean that was years ago. twilson117 an hour ago

TW…the issue of wealth is going to further complicate the struggle I think…the Taliban are true believers in the necessity of an Afghan Islamic State separated from the pollution of mind, heart, and spirit that come from those who are true in their faith. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – I agree, Afghanistan is more tribal and divided than the US so I too don’t think it could rebound like Vietnam did. AdLib an hour ago

Ad…your summary of the GOP’s mantra and the role that quislings like Sinema and Manchin play is succinct and sharp MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph I think the Taliban will make an accomodation for wealth. There is also some loophole regardless of religious belief. twilson117 an hour ago

Ad, yes, Vietnam’s version of Communism is more compatible to us than a feral Sharia-lawed No Go zone in the middle of Asia. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

TW…..perhaps….but their zealotry stands apart from the other movements which seek a more regional, and even global, role. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO…feral, sharia-lawed, no go zone….excellent word smithing. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph – That is the sad thing, those trying to make a difference in women’s rights in Afghanistan are instantly marked as enemies to be destroyed by the majority supporting the Taliban. The country is so far away from tolerating civil rights for women that I can’t see a possible scenario for the brave women there to succeed and not be attacked or even killed. AdLib an hour ago

Murph, I wonder how much Western Aid will just stop, leaving them to build their own exchequers. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph don’t disagree with you on the insidiouness of zealorty, but, we have numerous exmples of how zealots were put in their place or appeased but those looking to stablize things for profit. twilson117 an hour ago

TW – Maybe so but consider that the majority of people in Afghanistan are very poor, uneducated and wouldn’t participate in any way in the exploitation of their mineral wealth. SO in real terms, I can’t see how warring tribalism is overcome when it will remain a primary focus in the lives of most. AdLib an hour ago

Ad…my friend left Afghanistan as a mid teen to live with relatives in Pakistan and then moved to India. Her next step was France and then the U.S. She is a forensic pathologist. Brilliant. She has brought a few members of her family here but most condemn her as a lost soul. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO- most of the west’s money has gone into graft and corruption….so will this matter? MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

The crux is that We must, unfortunately, acknowledge that we cannot judge Afghanistan by any ‘Western’ Norms or conventions. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph – The other side of the coin on wealth not solving anything in Afghanistan is that once wealth is on the table, that’s when the greed kicks in and the powerful try to grab it all from the many. AdLib an hour ago

TW…I think that moderation of zealotry depends a great deal on geography….how many cross roads are there in your neighborhood. For Afghanistan…not many. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph. So true, but now they will have a new scrap metal industry, because few Tbans will know how to fly a chopper, drive a tank or stuff like that. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad I think we need to rethink that a bit. Let’s not forget they have been exposed to 20 years of education, internet, outside world etc. Granted we hear about the horrible things but a lot has been set in motion which have imnpacted many of the people. twilson117 an hour ago

Ad….and even the Taliban will allow for the existence of wealthy power brokers as long as they are useful tools for them and cooperative where they demand cooperation. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph – Thanks for your kind words on my summary of the GOP and Dem quislings. I can at least dream of Dems keeping the House and adding a bigger majority to The Senate that takes away all influence and power from the corrupt and egocentric Manchin and Sinema. AdLib an hour ago

Ad..if the Dems lose the House and Senate…..there will be a decade of electoral madness and then demography will outrun the GOP powerlust. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph perhaps. twilson117 an hour ago

Murph – Your friend sounds very determined and remarkable. The US is lucky to have her and her family. But of course, those conditioned by misogynist propoganda in Afghanistan can’t break out of it to respect her success. AdLib an hour ago

PPO agree we cannot judge them by our norms nor our rate of what progress is suppose to look or feel like. twilson117 an hour ago

Hopefully not prophetic of you, Murph. What the US need is for Justice to descend on the previous Admin like the proverbial ton of bricks and between now and the elections, expose every dirty deal, trick Big Lie and gerrymander that has occurred. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Oh, and de-licence Fox pinkpantheroz an hour ago

The GOP’s power grab made necessary, from their point of view, began in the late 90’s when the reality of their eventual, demographically anchored, minority status was widely accepted. The plan was to to create the means for minority rule by the control of the courts, of the mechanisms for redistricting, of manipulation of the electoral college, and of the creation a propaganda empire. They are within sight of their goal. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

TW – The issue is, only a small percentage of Afghans in the biggest cities have had educations, internet and exposure to the outside world. The majority of the population in Afghanistan live in villages, many are remote and most don’t have any of those things that Kandahar did. Most Afghans’ lifestules did not change over the past 20 years. AdLib an hour ago

Murph – Yes, the Taliban themselves have been entrepreneurs in the heroin trade, they have generated hundreds of millions for themselves. So they are fine with having wealth and generating wealth…just not for those they see as beneath and beholden to them. Same corruption as any authoritarian country will go on there. AdLib 44 minutes ago

Ad…an accurate description of Taliban funding. MurphTheSurf3 43 minutes ago

Ad well then, there is only one course of action to be taken, we must drop ship thousands of copies of the The Feregnee Bible, The complete Rues of Acquistion! twilson117 43 minutes ago

TW…are you a Trekker! MurphTheSurf3 41 minutes ago

Murph – That’s the thing, if Dems can’t figure out how to pry the Manchin and Sinema types away from protecting the execution of democracy from Repubs this time around, don’t underestimate the power that will be abused in the future when they are in control to suppress the majority’s will, no matter how much bigger it is than ther minority. We could lose our democracy for the foreseeable future so elections won’t matter when state legislatures can and will be empowered to overturn voters. AdLib 41 minutes ago

Yes, but I don’t got to conventions or dress up. Nor practice Kilogn twilson117 41 minutes ago

TW, with a few hunered gallons of Black Hole to whet their appetites pinkpantheroz 41 minutes ago

PPO that works twilson117 40 minutes ago

Ad…I agree with your prediction re. minority rule. MurphTheSurf3 40 minutes ago

TW – Dropship? You mean beam them down! AdLib 39 minutes ago

TW…if you go to conventions and dress up, you are a Trekkie…Trekkers, like you and I, are much more sophisticated…donchknow! MurphTheSurf3 39 minutes ago

Ad Silly me. twilson117 39 minutes ago

Murph That’s how I like to think of myself in that arena.

twilson117 38 minutes ago

Funny, I have compared Biden’s situation with pulling out of Afghanistan as a Koyashi Maru scenario. AdLib 38 minutes ago

Kobyashi Maru. AdLib 38 minutes ago

PPO? Where’d you go? AdLib 37 minutes ago

Ad Good way of putting it. It’s just he didn’t have a chance go to change it. twilson117 37 minutes ago

So how do you folks feel about all the stories of Republican and RW religious types who campaigned against vaccines and masks, on reperators and dying? AdLib 36 minutes ago

Hiccup. Sorry pinkpantheroz 36 minutes ago

pinkpantheroz 36 minutes ago

Ad those are the zealots of the republican party. twilson117 36 minutes ago

Good one PPO. Watching the clip now. twilson117 35 minutes ago

TW – Yep, the Kobyashi Maru was intentionally set up as a no-win scenario. It was more of a test of character than a solveable scenario. Biden has come through, no surprise, displaying great character and doing his best to provide the biggest and most successful airlift in history, over 100,000 in a couple of weeks. That’s remarkable, not something to be condemned. AdLib 34 minutes ago

I have little sympathy for them, rather anger at how many died because of their zealotry, promising God will fix, anything bur vaccines will cure. They should rot in Hell. pinkpantheroz 34 minutes ago

Ad I believe it will weather this strom. Sure those on the right will hammer him with it, but they know none of them could have done any better. twilson117 33 minutes ago

My sister is a specialist in Intubation Recovery (Ph.D. Speech Pathologist) who works on an ICU Trauma Team in Tx….at an UBER Major Hospital. Their triage procedures require that they treat the vaccinated first, and then those who were not eligible for vaccines, and then those were eligible but chose not to be immunized last….. MurphTheSurf3 32 minutes ago

PPO – For those who believe in justice, it is hard to feel sympathy for people who are essentially suicide COVID bombers blowing themselves up instead of innocent people. I am astounded that we don’t hear Dems and those trying to stop COVID saying that no, your “freedom” ends when it infringes on the freedoms of others. It’s really very simple, the concept of social responsibility. Not hammered enough against these GOP Suicide COVID bombers IMO. AdLib 31 minutes ago

Hopefully, TW. Well, gotta womble about, so will say cheerio for this week. Murph, thank you for your kind words. I’m no wordsmith, it just happens sometimes! Cheerio pinkpantheroz 30 minutes ago

Ad….one of my friends here has a son who is a Marine Office at the airport in Kabul and he says that the Taliban are not-so-covertly helping to move Afghanis to the airport…..interesting. MurphTheSurf3 30 minutes ago

Murph what does your sister have to say about those who refuse to be vaccinated? twilson117 30 minutes ago

Adieu, PPO! MurphTheSurf3 29 minutes ago

TW – Agreed though Trump’s worms have been blathering that only he could have ended Afghanistan occupation with perfect peace, unicorns and free ice cream. AdLib 29 minutes ago

Take ppo twilson117 29 minutes ago

TW..the triage system is saying that those who refuse to get vaccinated and come to the hospital for help when they get covid sick will be the last ones treated. MurphTheSurf3 29 minutes ago

Murph why do I get the feeling they start screaming bloody murder if they’re last to be treated. twilson117 28 minutes ago

Murph – That’s good to hear. I think those who refuse vaccinations and poison themselves with horse dewormer instead should be forced to the end of the line at hospital emergency rooms and told that they should just go home and “do their own research” on the internet to cure themselves. AdLib 27 minutes ago

TW….your feeling is supported by the reality….but apparently the medical personnel have turned a cold eye to them. MurphTheSurf3 27 minutes ago

Murph – You can’t argue with the logic, The Taliban are far better off to let those opposed to them leave the country so ruling will be easier. AdLib 27 minutes ago

Ad…and in doing so they might be seeking to develop a back channel relationship with the U.S. in what is sure to be an internal war for long term control. MurphTheSurf3 26 minutes ago

Murph I know that goes against their training, but I for one do not find fault with the stance they are taking. twilson117 25 minutes ago

TW – Of course these constant “victims” will wail that they aren’t treated as “superior” at hospitals but they are selfish excuses for human beings that should have to face the consequences of their total disregard for the hell they are putting those same doctors and nurses through. AdLib 24 minutes ago

Ad I agree. twilson117 23 minutes ago

Murph – Maybe but it appears that as usual Russia and China see an opportunity to exploit Afghanistan and as a twofer, undermine US. So the Taliban will likely get billions from both and may not need to try to build a relationship with the US and the West at least for quite a while. AdLib 23 minutes ago

TW….my sister would argue that her training is built on the principal of doing the most good which means using resources to assist those most likely to recover. MurphTheSurf3 21 minutes ago

Ad…but both China and Russian are regarded in Afghanistan as the most serious imperialist threats. MurphTheSurf3 20 minutes ago

It really is an undercovered story, how medical personnel are being worn down and devastated by having to deal with all these selfish and ignorant people being defiant about being unvaccinated and having “freedom”. The NYT had a video today that was poor in coverage but showed another of these selfish men in a hospital bed insisting everyone has the right to decide if they will be a Typhoid Mary. The video ended saying the man died days later. AdLib 20 minutes ago

It’s like this joke a friend told me: there are two doors, behind one is a raging Gorllia ripping apart anyone who enters the room no matter what, behind the second door is a great big apple pie with ice cream, And two men are standing outside the doors and one saids to the other behind the firs door is the Gorllia who will rip you apart, behind the other is the apple pie and ice cream which one do you want to go through, the other guy asks can I think about it. twilson117 20 minutes ago

Well….I am heading for the door…with a keg of the good stuff that Ad so kindly provided for my on-time arrival. MurphTheSurf3 20 minutes ago

Murph – Maybe so but Putin has been building closer and closer ties with the Taliban, giving them millions at least and funding the “Kill Americans For Money” campaign. AdLib 19 minutes ago

Enjoy, Murph! See you next time and have a great weekend! AdLib 18 minutes ago

Take care Murph twilson117 18 minutes ago

TW – I think you so humorously described in a perfect way, the sheep in the GOP. AdLib 17 minutes ago

So TW, we will be out your way next week! AdLib 17 minutes ago

Ad…I expect that Putin is not trusted by the Taliban….they will take his money as long as they do not have to honor their end of the deal. MurphTheSurf3 17 minutes ago

And with that…I doff my cap and say good night!

MurphTheSurf3 17 minutes ago

Murph – I don’t know how smart and invulnerable to bribery the Taliban is. AdLib 16 minutes ago

I was wondering when you would be flying out. I bet your daughter is excited. twilson117 16 minutes ago

I think she is more excited but she’s playing it cool this week. AdLib 16 minutes ago

Typical, don’t want the parents to know twilson117 15 minutes ago

I know it will be a very exciting time for her though. AdLib 15 minutes ago

Exactly! AdLib 15 minutes ago

They want to look so grown up by not showing their excitement. AdLib 15 minutes ago

I can only image. How long will be in MA? twilson117 14 minutes ago

We fly in Wed, she moves into her dorm on Thursday then we fly out (without her which will be a little weird) on Friday. May use the airline wifi to host Vox next week! AdLib 13 minutes ago

Hopefully she won’t get homesick too soon. twilson117 13 minutes ago

Ok bugging out. twilson117 12 minutes ago

Ok, have a great weekend! AdLib 11 minutes ago