Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 3 hours ago
Hi, Ad. pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
harleigh! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
Hey PPO! AdLib 2 hours ago
Hi Harleigh! AdLib 2 hours ago
hi guys Harleigh 2 hours ago
Still in lockdown till june 10 – maybe extended again. Dammit! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
PPO – An Australia was doing so well! AdLib 2 hours ago
And AdLib 2 hours ago
But we decided to purchase ahead of panic buying. We got only essential stuff, not toilet paper! 1 case Scotch, 1 case Vodka! We’re right for a seige! pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago
Harleigh, how are things in Soviet Florida? Has DeathSantis been riding a horse shirtless lately? AdLib 2 hours ago
im 3 eekssince my 2nd moderna Harleigh 2 hours ago
3 weeks since Harleigh an hour ago
any side effects, H? pinkpantheroz an hour ago
PPO – I’m quarantining with you and Fergie! I’ll bring the glasses. AdLib an hour ago
Feeling ok, harleigh/ AdLib an hour ago
Welcome, Ad! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
H, are you ready to join your fellow americans on those 100,000 ton Petrie Dishes? pinkpantheroz an hour ago
It’s been taking us quite a while to use up the paper towels and toilet paper we stored up on at the end of the year. AdLib an hour ago
PPO – Maybe the new style of euthanasia will be taking getting on a cruise ship in Miami. AdLib an hour ago
none from the first for me… 2nd felt sorta like flu, dizzy and headaches, super tired, joint and muscle aches that took a week to diminish. Harleigh an hour ago
Harleigh – Sorry you went through that. Feeling okay now though? AdLib an hour ago
How about DeathSantis is the first aboard a 21 day cruise to Moscow to show us all how safe cruise ships are without requiring vaccines. AdLib an hour ago
We’re still protesting here that we fogies over 50 can’t get the Pfizer, just the AZ! We want to join the Olympic Team, because they all got the Pfizer! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
PPO – Is it too late for you and Fergie to qualify for the shot-put-in-the-mouth? AdLib an hour ago
floriduh has worst cases of covid, mostly full icu, no masks, no distance and everything open. only a fucking moron will come get on a cruise from here. Harleigh an hour ago
Shot of vodka that is. AdLib an hour ago
We’re going for the Water-Polo. Have our ponies all ready. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Harleigh – How bad do you think it really is in FL? AdLib an hour ago
AD, Vodka shots will have to do for now. 2022 is when we might get Pfizer openly available! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
PPO –
Love that joke! AdLib an hour ago
PPO – That’s crazy! Are a lot of folks there upset about this? AdLib an hour ago
NYT has a great lookup by county. dade, broward and palm beach suck bad. it has been very undercounted Harleigh an hour ago
Hi glenn! AdLib an hour ago
Funny thing is, Ad. I once accidentally played Water-polo for Ireland! The Irish goalie was held up b by a car smash, couldn’t make a friendly against Spain. I was at the pool training with my team when the Irish Coach rushed over and put me in! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Harleigh – I know that DeathSantis has been hiding the numbers so even the numbers that the NYT has makes me think there are still many uncounted. AdLib an hour ago
Hey TW! AdLib an hour ago
Hello everyone!! twilson117 an hour ago
Ad, of course, and it is all because when Our dumb govt was negotiating last june with pfizer, they sent in an incompetent idiot who insulted them and tried to nickel and dime them,. So they told Australia where to go and prioritized all othes beforeus pinkpantheroz an hour ago
TW, HI! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Hi gents. PPO, so good to see you and Fergie have your priorities straight regarding COVID supplies. glenn an hour ago
PPO – That is so damn cool! It was a dream of mine when I was younger to play on a national team, maybe in the Olympics. I’m very impressed you played for the national team in Ireland! AdLib an hour ago
deathsantis had a woman fired for not lying and she persisted with the truth ftom home. state cops raided her and took her equipment. Harleigh an hour ago
AdLib it seems things are starting to break bad for Trump** couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. twilson117 an hour ago
thanks, glenn! We sure know how to knuckle down! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
PPO how you doing? twilson117 an hour ago
Harleigh–read about that case. Did I read later that she got her equipment back? glenn an hour ago
PPO – When is the next election and will the people vote out these horribly incompetent people who have caused the deaths of people? AdLib an hour ago
yes glenn Harleigh an hour ago
Harleigh – Yes, I’ve been following that and now she has been given whistleblower status that validates her claims. AdLib an hour ago
Hi CL! AdLib an hour ago
Hey CL twilson117 an hour ago
bush, scott and deathsantis since 2000. lol Harleigh an hour ago
Hi everyone – GLENN!!!! So good to see everyone, but wonderful to see glenn here. choicelady an hour ago
hi cl Harleigh an hour ago
Hi Ad, Harleigh, PPO and TW!!! choicelady an hour ago
Ad, late next year!, unless Labor can move a no-confidence vote, have some Gummint Criminals expelled ( 2 x sex offenders hold the majority numbers, but our PM won’t prosecute them so he can hang on to power – just like the USA pinkpantheroz an hour ago
CL! Smiles. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
TW–I don’t think the RTLB (the former president known as the Racist, Treasonous, Lying Bully) is going to be indicted. I have been so disappointed so many times that I don’t believe anything will stick, somehow or another. He always seems to weasel out of any consequences…so I really don’t see any difference here. I know most of you will disagree with me, and that’s okay; I will be happy to say I was wrong. glenn an hour ago
PPO – how did Australia get to be the mirror image of the worst of the USA? choicelady an hour ago
PPO–LOL! glenn an hour ago
TW – Yes, the Grand Jury in NY will have to bring charges against the Trump Org because its crimes are an open secret. They’ve got the evidence for that. And if they go the RICO route as it seems they might, that means everyone at Trump Org, including Trump and his family, will be criminally prosecuted. I can’t wait! We need him on trial ASAP to blunt this madness of sedition that he is continuing to incite. AdLib an hour ago
glenn – Trump Iaka RTLB) has pushed the envelope so far we have no choice but to prosecute him. It WILL happen. choicelady an hour ago
Harleigh–so when she got her equipment back, have the charges been dropped? Were there ever actually any charges filed? glenn an hour ago
Hey CL–been a long time since we were at VOX together! How are you? glenn an hour ago
Harleigh – So many good folks like you in FL but too many “Florida Man/Trumpers” too. We badly need FL to flip blue. AdLib an hour ago
CL they have his controller in the grand jury testifying so we’ll just have to wait and see. But I believe it will not go well for him or his kids. twilson117 an hour ago
I have the dubious “privilege” of being both a witness and a subject matter expert on RW extremists. I have worked my way through both state and federal trials for some of them. If NY gets Trump on RICO, the feds will do so again on sedition or whatever fits. Do NOT think he will escape. He won’t. choicelady an hour ago
glenn, no charges that could stick. the equipment had to be returned Harleigh an hour ago
cl, unfortunately our ‘Liberal/National Party is a copy of the GOP. our PM is a Pentecostalist, happy clappy, hillsong incompetent whose handling of the epiudemic here should have seen him depart a year ago. Total suckup to TFG and pushing the Evilgelical line here as well. total disaster. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
glenn – I’m OK. How are YOU? I’ve missed you. choicelady an hour ago
PPO – The immorality of conservative politicians seems to be a universal constant. AdLib an hour ago
CL–I hope you all are correct; in the meantime, I’ll continue to doubt. glenn an hour ago
PPO – and here we thought better of Australia than a cheap facsimile of Trump. I’m so sorry. Of course a dear friend in Toronto is saddled w another Ford. Definitely a “Dr. Phil” time: What WERE you thinking? choicelady an hour ago
USA, UK and Oz all using the Putin playbook pinkpantheroz an hour ago
TW – Yep, Weiselberg is the CFO of Trump Org and he’s in the middle of all the crimes. He either goes for a plea deal and flips on Trump or he and his kids spend a long time in prison and big fines. AdLib an hour ago
ppo if jebus is protecting them they shouldn’t get sick lol Harleigh an hour ago
Harleigh–so, IOW, another PR stunt by DeSantis and his minions….or to put it another way, another lie by repubs. glenn an hour ago
What really bothers me is what states are doing around their elections. The Republican party has given up an pretense of being for democracy. twilson117 an hour ago
Harleigh – Jesus told people to get a grip. He may raise the dead. He won’t prevent your BEING dead. choicelady an hour ago
CL – I am more confident now than ever that Trump will be criminally indicted for at least some of his crimes. I understand the delay, they’re being diligent about charging an ex-president for the first time in history but the delay is allowing lots of bad stuff to grow. AdLib an hour ago
glenn I’ll be doubting with you and rejoice if it happens Harleigh an hour ago
Ad – exactly. It took us two years to get a fix on a murderer, and he freaking CONFESSED. choicelady an hour ago
Ad, one thing that concerns me is the USA’s tendency to the ‘Too big to Jail’ white Collar crimes, by both Corporations and individuals. ‘Yes, we polluted the River and ruined the ?Bay, but heres a billion so our CEO doesn’t go to jail’. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
PPO – those “too big to jail” days are OVER. Jan. 6 was a wake up call. choicelady an hour ago
CL–I’m doing well; I’ve just been falling asleep before VOX comes on Fridays, and by the time I wake up, it’s too late to join the conversation. I do read the archives on Saturday mornings so I can see what you all discussed. I have missed our discussions too. glenn an hour ago
we have cemetaries because tots and pears don’t work lol Harleigh an hour ago
Well, I can see that. The time difference is hard on you eastern types. LOVELY to see you tonight, though. choicelady an hour ago
The Former Fool thinks he’s going to be reinstated as President when he can’t even get reinstated on Facebook! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Harleigh – we wiser people in the faith community never depend on tots and pears. Never. choicelady an hour ago
Harleigh I was wondering what happen with that case. Did they drop those fake charges? twilson117 an hour ago
cl lol Harleigh an hour ago
PPO – LOL!!! I read today he’s ranting that when he’s “reinstalled” Aug. 1, Zuckerberg is NOT welcome. choicelady an hour ago
I see Tom Cruise’s latest movie has stopped due to COVID. Karma, neh? pinkpantheroz an hour ago
TW–yeah, what the repub states are doing (mine included) regarding elections is downright scary. Hopefully, Dems can get some lawsuits going before midterms, or at least before 2024. glenn an hour ago
yes they dropped them but they would not reinstate her. Harleigh an hour ago
Murph! Hi pinkpantheroz an hour ago
MURPH!!! Hi! choicelady an hour ago
TW – That is my enormous concern too, the Dems seem hanstrung by the DINOs, Manchin and Sinema (who I think is actually a Repub who conned her way into the Dem nom), the DoJ isn’t doing anything yet to protect the voting rights of citizens (but I’m hoping the new head of the Civil Rights division will) and all we have left is hoping lawsuits will stop the worst of these laws long enough to pull Repubs out of power. Not feeling great about watching our democracy be taken apart piece by piece in broad daylight. AdLib an hour ago
Hey Murph! AdLib an hour ago
Ad–Weiselberg’s daughter-in-law keeps saying he’s going to flip. Here’s hoping; but even with Michael Cohen’s flip, the RTLB is still not in prison. glenn an hour ago
PPO Trump** is delusional he’s repeating what The My Pillow guy is spouting. twilson117 an hour ago
Taaaaaa Daaaaaa
MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Hey Murph twilson117 an hour ago
Ad = I read that HR 1 has a “route” to passing. Manchin is FOR it. We shall see. choicelady an hour ago
Howdy to the Crowd….looks like I missed a lot…breathless catching up. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Harleigh–yeah, I’m of the “I’ll believe when I see it” school. glenn an hour ago
Hey Murph! How goes the farming? glenn an hour ago
glenn – I will say again, building a federal case is always painstaking. Cohen’s lies taint his testimony. They HAVE to get others to roll over. They are. This will NOT go fast. The FG has been out of office for a little over 5 months. No one was present to get his ass before that. choicelady an hour ago
glenn – Yes, I’ve seen Weiselberg’s ex-daughter-in-law and Michael Cohen saying he’ll flip. Sure seems likely unless he’s willing to spend life in prison with his kids as a sacrifice for a boss who would happily let him be convicted for Trump’s crimes. AdLib an hour ago
Hey Murph what with your Gov not signing the paperwork to release someone who has been in prison for 40 years when the DA has said he was falsely accused. twilson117 an hour ago
Glenn…the farming….we have too much rain…and then too much heat….and I have too little help….grrrrrr….not great. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – I’m sorry to read all that. Farmers have hard lives. choicelady an hour ago
CL – HR1 still can’t pass without 10 Repubs voting for it and that seems totally unlikely. I’ve been thinking, the only good thing about when the Repubs had control of Congress is that Manchin had no power. AdLib an hour ago
cl, there are rumblings that the Dems have the Mandate, why aren’t they kicking ass? Some action at least must be seen, otherwise the Dems popularity will fade if they delay much longer pinkpantheroz an hour ago
CL–I get what you’re saying; I’m just very doubtful….he’s gotten away with too much. I mean, look at the insurrection. I realize it’s a little different than the federal case, but there are so many Americans who believe his shit that I hope the grand jury isn’t tainted by MAGAts. glenn an hour ago
Ad – I read there is some path to avoid the filibuster. No details, but creative. choicelady an hour ago
TW: Missouri Gov. Mike Parson passed on an opportunity to release a Kansas City man who has spent 43 years behind bars for a crime prosecutors say he did not commit. Parson left Kevin Strickland off the latest list of pardons. The move leaves Kevin Strickland and his attorneys disappointed, and with fewer options for his exoneration. “It’s hard to imagine how everyone can know someone’s innocent and he’s still there,” said Tricia Rojo Bushnell, director of the Midwest Innocence Project. “At this point, no one with power has done the things to let him out.” MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Ad–yeah, I know there is hope; I’ll just believe it when I see it. glenn an hour ago
Remember – January 6 was a major game changer for millions and for law enforcement. He has never been charged with a CRIME – only civil charges which he has NOT fully escaped. Now he’s facing hard time. He won’t walk.’ choicelady an hour ago
CL – I don’t think testimony will be the central issue in establishing the Trump Org committed crimes. Yes, some testimony confirming criminal intent would be valuable but the paperwork that displays a pattern of continuous fraud is pretty airtight I think. AdLib an hour ago
Ad – exactly – paperwork. choicelady an hour ago
Murph I saw that, but they have time to work on passing bills to restrict voting. twilson117 an hour ago
Murph–sorry to hear of your farmer’s woes. Could you send some of that rain our way? glenn an hour ago
But nothing can be supported by Cohen alone. I believe him. Juries might not. choicelady an hour ago
CL – I don’t know what path there is for HR1 without 60 votes or at least, suspending the filibuster for voting rights bills. AdLib an hour ago
Murph – and rain in CA would be appreciated! choicelady an hour ago
Ad – not sure. No details given, but some optimistic reassurances. choicelady an hour ago
TW….Why? The state supreme court will not take up the case. The subject does not want a commutation only a pardon. There is a conflict between County DAs and the State AG. So, now his team is going back to a lower court as there is no mechanism in Mo that allows County DA’s to request a pardon in cases like this. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
CL–Yeah, I read that about the filibuster, too. The details were a little sketchy, and what I did see, I didn’t understand, so, I’m hopeful. glenn an hour ago
glenn – NY knows Trump very well and despises him. It will be positive politically for the Manhattan DA and the NY AG to prosecute Trump. Failing to do so would pretty much assure their defeat in re-election so I don’t think politics will save Trump this time, not in NY. AdLib an hour ago
glenn – I do public policy advocacy, and these federal machinations elude me! choicelady an hour ago
cl lol Harleigh an hour ago
Murph there is just no justice twilson117 an hour ago
CL–The only walk I want to see the RTLB make is into the sally port of a prison. glenn an hour ago
just us Harleigh an hour ago
CL – Seconded, those of us in CA would happily take rain donations from MO! AdLib an hour ago
Ad–getting the RTLB on paperwork is the ultimate irony! glenn an hour ago
glenn – I’ll pay to see the Walk of Shame! It was well worth it for just Chauvin. I loved that! Trump’s walk of shame would be orgasmic! choicelady an hour ago
and the repubeliekkklans are very glad I’m not king. Harleigh an hour ago
CL – Well, I hope there is some way to get HR1 through otherwise but I’m not aware of any other way. AdLib an hour ago
Manchin is going to have to flip if anything significant is to happen…..and he will lose his Senate seat for doing that……foregone conclusion given how the state supported Trump. So it has to be worth doing for Manchin (for a noble cause or base advantage….either way) withthe case being made that his failure to act in this will tar his as a traitor to the people and damn him politically with him as persona non grata in the Dem Party. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Harleigh – I don’t know how to break this to you, but we’re glad, too that you’re not king. Nothing personal. We just don’t want one. choicelady an hour ago
cl, if the WOS happens, guess who won’t show it? Heh Heh pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Ad–Hope you’re correct re the Manhattan DA and NY AG. glenn an hour ago
Manchin WILL help. He’s never been a spoiler. I’m FAR more worried about Sinema. choicelady an hour ago
PPO – please clue me – WOS? choicelady an hour ago
Walk of Shame pinkpantheroz an hour ago
CL–Orgasmic, indeed! glenn an hour ago
Murph, Manchin might as well, there is no way he’s going to get reelected. twilson117 an hour ago
Ahh – YES! Ol’ Fox. choicelady an hour ago
cl i couldnt anyway…. i know i could not do the job Harleigh an hour ago
glenn – I’m old. I take my thrills where I can. choicelady an hour ago
CL–glad to hear I’m not the only one who doesn’t understand federal machinations. glenn an hour ago
CL I heard her explanation about the FB and it made no sense. twilson117 an hour ago
HArleigh – well if HAD to be, I’d pick you over ANY GOP. choicelady an hour ago
Side note….three of my neighbors, vehement Trump Lovers, Dem haters, conspiracy theorists, specializing in anti-vax COVID hysteria, both have Covid and are hospitalized. Their families are accusing “the fag, commie libs” of poisoning him at a meeting they attended with a “mixed crowd” MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
I so wish there were some way to prosecute Murdoch and cancel all his licences to transmit. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
glenn – It’s actually great that Trump was so confident of being above the law that he openly committed tax fraud, loan fraud, money laundering, etc. All those documents, which can’t be disputed, will bury him even without witnesses testifying. But my understanding is that testimony will help destroy the defense of, “I didn’t know what I was doing was illegal.” Then again, how many people of color get off on a criminal charge saying they didn’t know what they did was against the law? AdLib an hour ago
PPO – the easiest way to rid us of Murdoch is to reinstate the fairness doctrine. choicelady an hour ago
that’s why i luv ya cl Harleigh an hour ago
Murph for real!!! twilson117 an hour ago
Murph–I know you were speaking metaphorically regarding tarring Manchin, but I’d be willing to help out with that literally. Well…maybe not with the tar, but I’d be glad to contribute some feathers! glenn an hour ago
Ad – “Ignorance of the law is no excuse”. choicelady an hour ago
Facing a crisis in my co-op too. Membership is blocking two new families from joining….both black. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Love you right back, Harleigh! choicelady an hour ago
Murph – Oh, no. That’s just awful. choicelady an hour ago
CL–take ’em when you can! glenn an hour ago
Glenn….I would be willing to pluck chickens for the feathers. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph, Wow! Still so delusional even now that TFG ‘s website has, like all things of his gone bust! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Murph – I don’t think Manchin will sacrifice in any way for the sake of the country. He is and has always been about his own self-interest, he has never displayed character or courage,. But he has shown himself to be a fool with his constant BS about how the filibuster is all about bi-partisanship. He looked like a fool being outraged that McConnell and the GOP wouldn’t vote for a 1/6 commission to protect our democracy. AdLib an hour ago
CL…..I am once again facing an existential threat to the co-op…. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph they’re blocking them because they’re black? twilson117 an hour ago
PPO…that website take down and the face book ban are all a part of the same conspiracy, donchaknow! MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Ad – Manchin has NEVER EVER been a spoiler. Never. He and Sinema have voted Dem MORE THAN the “Squad”. choicelady an hour ago
Ad–It’s been over 50 years since I was in high school (damn, I’m old), but I remember one of the tenets I learned in my Business Law class was, “Ignorance of the law is no excuse.” In the RTLB’s case, thought, he wears his ignorance proudly. glenn an hour ago
Ad…I agree with your Manchin assessment…which is why he must either be bought or coerced. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
PPO – Right with you on that, wish Murdoch could be jailed for the mass crimes he’s committed through his propaganda across the world. AdLib an hour ago
Murph, sinister as all hell, isn’t it? pinkpantheroz an hour ago
OOPs, didn’t scroll back far enough, I see CL beat me to it regarding ignorance. Just goes to show that great minds think alike! LOL! glenn an hour ago
Murph – the racism astounds me. It shouldn’t. My grandfather, the one from Albany, Gentry county, was a raving racist. And my grandmother’s side? Abolitionists all So it should not shock me. It always does.. choicelady an hour ago
glenn – of course! choicelady an hour ago
TW…..that is pretty clear but no one will say that…..it is an expression of how powerful racism is and how it exists as the highest flying flag of the virulent right. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph–Does the co-op have a reason to block them? glenn an hour ago
Murph – You just reminded me to renew my membership in the Fag Commie Lib association. AdLib an hour ago
Ad and Murph – Manchin is NOT the problem. Sinema is. choicelady an hour ago
Murph, how many members would you need to open an alternate Co Op? pinkpantheroz an hour ago
CL – For the white and wealthy, ignorance of the law works for them to escape criminal punishment far too often/ AdLib an hour ago
Murph I’m sure they are God fearing people so how do they explain it when someone tells them God made them in his image too? twilson117 an hour ago
Glenn….membership is determined by a vote of the members and right now I do not have the votes and the “other side” does arguing (in public) that the farms in question are of questionable stability and might downgrade the quality of our representation. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Ad – those white Affluenza privilege days are grinding to a halt. We need to look at what changes are happening. People are sick of it – even WHITE people are sick of it. choicelady an hour ago
Ad…the FCLA? Of course…… MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Ad–it’s not ignorance of the law; they know the law all too well; it’s their white privilege and some high-priced, mealy mouthed lawyers that keep them out of jail. Money talks… glenn an hour ago
Murph – if the farms are of “questionable stability” they need the coop more than ANYONE. choicelady an hour ago
if we were made in gods image we would all be invisible Harleigh an hour ago
Harleigh – you got that right. choicelady an hour ago
Harleigh I could live with that twilson117 an hour ago
PPO….a schism in the co-op would kill it I think but I think that this action while not killing it economically strikes at the heart and soul of the association. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – yes. The coop has shown it’s “true colors” choicelady 44 minutes ago
TW…..the leaders of this “keep THEM out” group are both elders in their churches and lead Jeebus prayers at every meeting of the Co-op MurphTheSurf3 44 minutes ago
Murph. Its. Not it’s. choicelady 44 minutes ago
CL – I will hope you are right but the abject BS pouring out of Manchin and Sinema is not very reassuring. The filibuster is not a law nor a rule, just a custom that was used to install Jim Crow and these two have the hubris to claim it is all about bipartisanship. When? When has it ever encouraged bipartisanship? If that’s what they reaslly wanted, they should do whatever it takes to pass HR1 and the John Lewis Voting Rights Bill which would install non-political boards like we have here in CA to draw districts fairly and then Repubs elected would need to be more bipartisan or lose re-election in a swing district. AdLib 43 minutes ago
Murph – of COURSE they’re Dominionists. Who ELSE? choicelady 43 minutes ago
Murph–seems to me that helping fellow farmers in the context of the co-op would help to make their farms more stable; thereby improving the quality of representation. Of course, that’s a positive way of looking at inclusion and that ain’t a feature of your fellow co-op members. glenn 43 minutes ago
Harleigh….love that….made in god’s image we would be invisible…or perhaps non-existent. One thing I do know is that if there is a god, he/she/it/them is an under-acheiver. MurphTheSurf3 43 minutes ago
Ad – Manchin was gobsmacked by the failure of the last vote by the GOP. I think he realizes that his dreams of bipartisanship are dead. choicelady 43 minutes ago
Damn, CL, you and I are definitely on the same wave length tonight. See my answer to Murph regarding the co-op. glenn 42 minutes ago
Murph, have the others in the coop fogiven you yet for being right? pinkpantheroz 42 minutes ago
glenn – Same here, ignorance of the law is not supposed to be an excuse but I’ve seen fed prosecutors say that testimony against Trump, that his fraud was intentional is critical. Claiming ignorance may not be an excuse against conviction but it could undercut sentancing and let him go free. AdLib 42 minutes ago
Murph – as one who never believed a word of Sunday School, it hurts me not at all to think of god as a life force, not a cranky Santa with a list demanding everyone pays attention to him. Sounds like too many guys I dated back i n the day. choicelady 41 minutes ago
Glenn, and Choice…clearly this has nothing to do with the good of the co-op, its members or those two farmers seeking membership….it is a flagship statement…the Co-Op stands for true Mo. virtues……I am enraged. MurphTheSurf3 41 minutes ago
Murph I’ve always found those who call themselves “elders” have the tendency to be the most shall we say, in the wrong on so many things. Do as I say not as I do. twilson117 41 minutes ago
Murph. Clearly. The racism, it is deep. choicelady 41 minutes ago
Murph and Harleigh–like the invisible and under-achiever thoughts. glenn 41 minutes ago
PPO…they never admit I am right…..even when they follow me down the road I walk. MurphTheSurf3 41 minutes ago
glenn yep Harleigh 40 minutes ago
Murph – Manchin and Sinema need to be hammered hard or rewarded greatly, I don’t care either way but if we go into 2022 without passing HR1, not only won’t they get re-elected but it will be the end of our democracy for the foreseeable future. That is, unless the courts stand against the blatant undermining of constitutional rights to vote. AdLib 40 minutes ago
courts are packed repubes Harleigh 39 minutes ago
The Dem party of AZ sent a directive to both Kelly (not needed) and Sinema (the focus) telling them what to do. Sinema risks EVERYTHING being GOP Lite. choicelady 39 minutes ago
Murph regarding those who are in the hospital due to COVID-19 I bet they’re praying to be spared. As to their friends blaming others, for their stupidity well, what does one say? twilson117 39 minutes ago
Choice…I am Christian Humanist (with a good nod to Buddhism)…..The person of Yeshua bar Yusef bin Nazrit and the Siddartha Guatama Buddha offered an enlightened existence to the word and that light is “God” MurphTheSurf3 39 minutes ago
Murph–is it time to leave again? Or, as PPO suggests, start a new co-op? Is that feasible? And didn’t MO come into the union as a free state? So, how is denying blacks membership a MO value? Or maybe I’m wrong and they are being true to their values… glenn 39 minutes ago
Haleigh – the courts overall aren’t upholding Trumpsism. Some judges, yes, but mostly not. choicelady 38 minutes ago
CL – As I mentioned, I have come to believe that Sinema was a stealth Repub who lied her way into winning the Dem primary and GE. She has betrayed many of the promises she made, has been so chummy with Moscow Mitch, John Cornyn, some of the worst of the GOP and I have seen but not verified that she received a big chunk of money from Koch. AdLib 38 minutes ago
MO was a slave state, Ad. choicelady 38 minutes ago
cl good Harleigh 38 minutes ago
Ad – she stinks, yes, but she has voted Dem MORE than the Squad. choicelady 37 minutes ago
Ad…we are on the same page…..whether it is hammer and tongs…..or ticker tape parades and sinecures….they must be bought or broken if they cannot see that they should act for the good of the people. MurphTheSurf3 37 minutes ago
CL–okay, I was wrong…and the dudes at Murph’s co-op are living down to their roots. glenn 37 minutes ago
Murph – AMEN! choicelady 37 minutes ago
well i gotta head out. nice seeing everyone tonite Harleigh 37 minutes ago
Take care Harleigh twilson117 37 minutes ago
G’night Harleigh. glenn 36 minutes ago
Good night, Harleigh – lovely to see you! choicelady 36 minutes ago
CL – I sure hope white privilege is winding down but there will need to be a lot more convictions of CEOs and wealthy white criminals for that to prove out. Trump will be a great start after Chauvin. AdLib 36 minutes ago
Night Harleigh! AdLib 36 minutes ago
see ya H! pinkpantheroz 36 minutes ago
Ad – yes indeed. We will start enforcing the rule of law. Won’t THAT be nice? choicelady 36 minutes ago
Glenn…I do not have the strength or the time to start over. The co-op is nearly 12 years old. At 70 my clock is running down. Reality. AND…I do not want if I want to offer support and succor to those taking this stand. As to Mo. free state status….enforced by the military…the state was very much a confederate state at heart…and still is. MurphTheSurf3 35 minutes ago
cl, a welcome change, for sure. Some may not like that! pinkpantheroz 35 minutes ago
CL–As long as we can agree on what is actually law. Cause repubs are just having a blast these days blowing up laws. glenn 35 minutes ago
Ad – Mark Twain’s family owned a slave. My IL family in Princeton ran an Underground RR stop and transport. Most of the fleeing slave were from MO. choicelady 34 minutes ago
Murph–I’m so disheartened for you. I know you have put so much into this co-op and my heart aches for you to have to watch these things happen. glenn 34 minutes ago
glenn – what they SAY about law is NOT what the courts are upholding. That is the important thing. choicelady 34 minutes ago
glenn, I get steamed that the GOP trample over laws or ignore them completely, then challenge Dems to do something about it. Way too often, they do nothing. It is time to grow a pair and act! pinkpantheroz 33 minutes ago
Murph – I’m with glenn. This fight you have waged for YEARS to make your community a responsible one, is so devastating. I am so sorry. choicelady 33 minutes ago
CL – I wonder though if this is just part of Manchin’s script. That he would insist on bipartisanship, act shocked, like Capt. Renault in Casablanca that gambling was going on then hopefully, tell WV voters that he held out as long as he could for a crumb of bipartisanship but has to work with a Dem only solution to issues. So maybe. But Sinema? I think a full court press, especially by voters and orgs of color, slamming her as supporting racism through the leverage of the filibuster and insisting that she will be primaried if she doesn’t help kill the filibuster might be more effective. Sinema needs to be treated like someone hostile to Dem values because she is! AdLib 33 minutes ago
Glenn….thank you. Choice…thank you. They are living down to their heritage I fear. The group is overwhelming Trumpy and I think that this stance is meant to fly that flag. MurphTheSurf3 32 minutes ago
PPO – they are NOT trampling our laws. They are TRYING to but not succeeding as well as they want. choicelady 32 minutes ago
CL–Are courts actually upholding the law? I know they did with the election (thank goodness), but there are still a lot of cases out there that repubs seem to be slanting their way. I’m sure you’re more informed about that than I am, so I’m taking your word for it that the law is actually winning in courts. glenn 32 minutes ago
Muph it too bad you have to deal with what I call plain foolishness. People just want to make a living at farming. It makes no sense what they are doing. twilson117 32 minutes ago
cl, those are the optics for the last 4 years. Hopefully it will now change, but quickly, pleae! pinkpantheroz 31 minutes ago
Ad – that has long been Machin’s persona: hold out verbally for conservative issues, but ultimately vote Dem. Sinema? A cipher. choicelady 31 minutes ago
Choice…you, more than anyone else I know, have championed many a cause that has been won, then lost, then won, then lost……it is all tidal….but still it is so tiring. MurphTheSurf3 31 minutes ago
PPO–I agree. Dems started out the Biden administration on a strong note, I think. However, they are reverting to their defeatist ways lately. There should already be a committee on Jan. 6th and subpoeneas should have already been issued. glenn 30 minutes ago
OK, folks, time to brush the 2 tons of autumn leaves from our patio. See you all next week. pinkpantheroz 30 minutes ago
Murph – yes. I am going through some things that have gutted my faith in the system. I’m being vandalized again. I’m sick of it. I want to be a hermit. choicelady 30 minutes ago
G’night PPO – Two TONS? Best o’ Irish luck to ya! choicelady 29 minutes ago
Have a great weekend PPO! Hi to Fergie! AdLib 29 minutes ago
TW….the two families are fine, fine people and clearly been disadvantaged by their race in accessing resources and in competing for markets. They came to my attention two years ago and our board reached out to them. NOW…..that same board is split on the matter and the membership is oppoesed. MurphTheSurf3 29 minutes ago
Love to Fergie! choicelady 29 minutes ago
Take care PPO twilson117 29 minutes ago
looks like it, cl – all from next door!!! pinkpantheroz 29 minutes ago
Murph–that’s where I’m at lately. We are still fighting over the same issues that we thought we had won. It’s not only tiring; it’s frustrating. glenn 29 minutes ago
Fergie sends love to all. Doing OK pinkpantheroz 29 minutes ago
Gpood news, PPO. Good news. choicelady 28 minutes ago
PPO…it is autumn in Oz…I fogot! MurphTheSurf3 28 minutes ago
PPO–g’day. Best to Fergie! glenn 28 minutes ago
F’day! choicelady 28 minutes ago
Gday. Finger glitch choicelady 28 minutes ago
CL….F’Day….that works too….for me…. MurphTheSurf3 28 minutes ago
It does, doesn’t it? choicelady 28 minutes ago
I must say that if the co-op does this I think I will have no choice but to leave it. MurphTheSurf3 27 minutes ago
CL and Murph–lots of room for creative interpretation in F’day! glenn 27 minutes ago
Murph – I can’t see you have much other choice. choicelady 27 minutes ago
Murph – It was not a coincidence that the KKK was a religious group. That is not to say all religious people are this or that but RW religious extremists seem to be all about the small minded hatred and fear that makes for evil words and deeds. To see the RW Evangelicals bow to Trump has destroyed any hint of genuine Christianity in any of them. AdLib 27 minutes ago
Murph–Yeah, it’s a same. glenn 27 minutes ago
Yesterday I was actually called a “N” Lover by another member while two others stood in silence. MurphTheSurf3 27 minutes ago
glenn – does F’day make me an “influencer”? choicelady 26 minutes ago
Murph–OMG! That’s awful! glenn 26 minutes ago
WHAT?????? OMG, Murph. choicelady 26 minutes ago
Murph, I know framing isn’t easy. So I can only guess these folks do it because they like it. So to deny them the opportunity to be part of the coop that will help them do what they love, makes no sense to a city boy like me. twilson117 26 minutes ago
CL–You’ve always been an “influencer” in my mind. glenn 26 minutes ago
glenn – that’s so nice! I don’t even know what that IS, but I’m honored. choicelady 25 minutes ago
Ad….I live six miles from a tiny town that was the regional HQ for the KKK for many years…..the common statement is that they are no longer there but they are…hoodless and flying Trump flags. MurphTheSurf3 25 minutes ago
Well, good folks, time for me to call it a night. Great chatting with everyone tonight. Take care! glenn 25 minutes ago
Murph – That’s a red line, when the racism turns to such extremes that you’re either with them as a racist or their enemy. How can you stay in a group run by racists? AdLib 25 minutes ago
Good night, glenn SO glad to see you! Be well. choicelady 25 minutes ago
Murph – I don’t see any other route but to leave. choicelady 24 minutes ago
Ad – agreed. choicelady 24 minutes ago
CL–It’s almost the same as “F’day.” An “influencer” can mean whatever you want it to mean. glenn 24 minutes ago
glenn – Oh cool!!! choicelady 24 minutes ago
Murph so they dropped the NL label on you. What a bunch of fools. twilson117 23 minutes ago
TW….one family traces its roots on the land to slave days followed by reconstruction and land ownership….the land they farm is that land….the other family has an adjacent piece of land coming to it through a church effort. Outstanding people. MurphTheSurf3 23 minutes ago
Murph – The KKK types are now “militias”, “Christian Evangelicals”, “Qanon”, etc. KKK by any other name, stinks just as rancidly. AdLib 23 minutes ago
TW….dangerous fools. I have underestimated the level of vile hatred at work. MurphTheSurf3 23 minutes ago
Ad…sounds right to me. MurphTheSurf3 22 minutes ago
Murph – I seriously do believe F. Scott Fitzgerald’s adage that Living Well is the Best Revenge. If you who hate the racists can live w.o the coop, then do it. choicelady 22 minutes ago
Frankly, I am very, very sad. MurphTheSurf3 22 minutes ago
Murph – of course. I had a similar break up w a group. It was deeply painful. choicelady 22 minutes ago
CL…as you have said….I likely have no choice. And yes, my farming began as a hobby, and became an avocation….it is not essential to my livelihood. MurphTheSurf3 21 minutes ago
I know you put your heart and soul into the coop. I am so terribly sorry this is happening to it, and thus to you. choicelady 21 minutes ago
Murph – I don’t blame you for feeling sad, I know how much you’ve contributed to the co-op and the community. But this sure seems to put you an a bad position of either looking the other way at naked racism or not being a part of it. I know you’ve pulled back then stepped back in before, maybe that would once again work as a tactic to restore a little decency. AdLib 20 minutes ago
I was contacted today by a leader in the black community from a church in my area that was founded by reconstruction era former slaves……they have aske me to join their church. I am going to do it I think. MurphTheSurf3 20 minutes ago
Good for you! choicelady 20 minutes ago
CL…thanks. MurphTheSurf3 20 minutes ago
Murph it’s hard to fathom because all they want to do is farm the something the love. And those who are blocking them and calling you NL want to take that away from them for what? Because they’re black? Idiots. twilson117 20 minutes ago
Murph – Change is not always sought, sometimes it becomes the only choice. AdLib 19 minutes ago
TW you summed it up perfectly. choicelady 19 minutes ago
Ad….this time it is not a matter of co-op policy but of fundamental human values. I do not think I can even “be” with these people. MurphTheSurf3 19 minutes ago
Thanks CL. twilson117 19 minutes ago
CL…the fear that so many whites here have of blacks is completely irrational…. MurphTheSurf3 18 minutes ago
Ad….truth. MurphTheSurf3 18 minutes ago
When you make your move, be sure to bolt the gate and stay locked and loaded. I don’t trust those people AT ALL. choicelady 18 minutes ago
TW – These types of people seem to have integrated racism as a critical part of their religious beliefs, as a necvessary component of their own identity and a primary motivation in social and political thought. I don’t know how it can be ripped out root and stem from so many people. Maybe one here or there but racists are shielded from questioning their hatred by being surrounded by others who similarly have made racism part of their identity. AdLib 17 minutes ago
Ad – that’s also a perfect summation. choicelady 16 minutes ago
CL…..if you recall I have made it clear that I am a gun owner and I will protect those I love….I also have a lot of security, including cameras with feeds off property and an alarm system…BUT….if I cannot trust my own in the co-op none of that may be enough…I may have to abandon the entire thing. MurphTheSurf3 16 minutes ago
Murph – you remember my horrific experience in OK. Please be safe. choicelady 16 minutes ago
Ad…so many of these folks truly believe that the “mark of Cain” is color. MurphTheSurf3 15 minutes ago
CL….I do. MurphTheSurf3 15 minutes ago
Take whatever steps are needed. My friend had to. Why she’s in Columbia and can’t go back to S’field. choicelady 15 minutes ago
Murph – Right, that’s why walking away might not only be necessary to be sure you’re not participating in a racist-driven group but knowing how they keep coming back to you out of need, maybe a way of having them make a decision what they want more, a successful co-op or their racism. AdLib 15 minutes ago
Thanks CL! AdLib 15 minutes ago
CL….birds of a feather fleeing together. MurphTheSurf3 14 minutes ago
Murph – the Bible is the fount of much good – and MUCH evil. choicelady 14 minutes ago
Ad…if I go much of what the co-op does will not survive it because I will not participate in an orderly transition. MurphTheSurf3 14 minutes ago
CL…the bible is a library of books….some worthwhile….some trash. MurphTheSurf3 13 minutes ago
Ad – what Murph has given to the community is not enough. It should be. It often isn’t. I found that out the hard way. Being a good person and a helpful one takes a back seat to racism. choicelady 13 minutes ago
Well….I am SO GLAD I came here tonight. I needed to be among my own and here I am…..in the co-op it is clear I am not. MurphTheSurf3 12 minutes ago
Murph – yup. I have my grandfather’s 1901 Bible that uphold slavery as the logical fate for those who harbored Noah’s kid. Like THAT makes sense. choicelady 12 minutes ago
CL….truth, truth, truth. MurphTheSurf3 12 minutes ago
Ad I understand what you said. Their fear and that’s what it is, is irrational. As to it being baked into their religious belief is why I hate religion, it’s one of the constructs they hang on to and goes contrary to any belief in a supreme entity who made mankind in his image. twilson117 12 minutes ago
Murph – It never ceases to amaze me how many people in this country are still neanderthals, thinking such ignorant and moronic things in the year 2021 when there are self-driving cars and iPhones. They belong in the dark ages. Hmm, maybe we could get the public to invest in a community of caves that all these terrible people could move to, rent free, and live out their lives as the neanderthals they are, away from the rest of decent society. AdLib 12 minutes ago
You ARE among friends, Murph. Wish we were close to help more. choicelady 12 minutes ago
TW…..I hold to the principles and teachings of the Wisdom figures Jesus and Buddha……but not to the associations that grew up around them. MurphTheSurf3 11 minutes ago
TW- as a liberal Christian whose roots are in justice, I have to say I hate modern religion, too. Murph and I have similar roots, and it’s a hard, uphill fight against the Right. i’m pretty much burned out with it. choicelady 11 minutes ago
Neanderthals, Troglodytes, Barbarians. Yes. MurphTheSurf3 10 minutes ago
Murph – That is terrible that the fate of the co-op is at stake but it is important to recognize that it is the racists who have raised the stakes to this. Either you are racist like them or you will be their “enemy”. The choice to put the co-op in danger is theirs, your acting like a decent human being is not an act of destruction, theirs is. AdLib 10 minutes ago
CL>…..great words.
MurphTheSurf3 10 minutes ago
Oh, shit = crap going on outside IN MY DRIVEWAY. I’ll see you all next week I hope. Love to you all. Best to you, Murph. choicelady 9 minutes ago
Ad……..most will not get it …..I will be labeled as liberal sellout……. there is a critical meeting this weekend….here on my farm, the co-op hq….it may be my last day. MurphTheSurf3 8 minutes ago
Ad It’s as if religion was designed to pit people against each other. twilson117 8 minutes ago
CL! MurphTheSurf3 8 minutes ago
CL – You can never satisfy those who demand you think like them unless you adopt their views. So when it comes to racists, they are the ones making an ultimatum. Either conform to being a racist like us or become our enemy. And you can’t be in a co-op or socialize with people that see you as the enemy. AdLib 8 minutes ago
It seems our time together tonight is ending with the forces of chaos breaking out…….such is life, sadly….makes me very happy to have this oasis of good sense and good hearts. MurphTheSurf3 7 minutes ago
Well folks I’m going to call it a night. Murph and AdLib you both stay safe. twilson117 7 minutes ago
Bye TW…SO happy you are one of us and we are one of you . MurphTheSurf3 6 minutes ago
Thanks. twilson117 6 minutes ago
TW – The trouble with religion is in those who use it to allow their worst behavior. Whether they think hatred is approved in The Bible or that they will be forgiven, it is a license for those types to be literally evil. My view is that spirituality is worthwhile but religion is rife for exploitation by the worst of human beings. AdLib 6 minutes ago
You too, TW, stay safe and have a great weekend! AdLib 5 minutes ago
Probably time for me to go too…I need sleep and a rum and coke. MurphTheSurf3 5 minutes ago
Just know that you will always be a valuable member of this co-op for being yourself and having your principles. AdLib 5 minutes ago
AdLib we’ll have continue our discussion on religion later. I think it will be a fun one to have, again goodnight all. twilson117 5 minutes ago
Sounds good! Enjoy! AdLib 5 minutes ago
TW – Agreed! Night! AdLib 4 minutes ago
Ad…..this is ALL so wrong…..the Trump Right are arsonists quite willing to see it all burn down. MurphTheSurf3 4 minutes ago
I would join that religion conversation. MurphTheSurf3 4 minutes ago
Murph – Yes, they are the true anarchists. AdLib 4 minutes ago
Disorder serves their broader purpose…that is the key to understand January 6. MurphTheSurf3 3 minutes ago
They are the spiteful minority who loved Trump because he hated, attacked and killed those who they wanted to see suffer. Now they just want to see everything be destroyed that doesn’t affirm their twisted, perverse minds. AdLib 3 minutes ago
Once again very grateful for this platform…..remembering Patricia Ladas tonight for some reason…..she had a hard time adjusting to style here but her heart was in the right place….she would have been so outraged by all of this. MurphTheSurf3 2 minutes ago
Ad….a fine summary…the cesspool defined. MurphTheSurf3 2 minutes ago
Any person of conscience would be outraged by what you’re having to deal with now. AdLib a minute ago
As much as the families who are being attacked due to racism. AdLib a minute ago
A good, but sad place to close out the night. I will see you next week. MurphTheSurf3 a few seconds ago
See you then, pal! AdLib in a few seconds
Bye, friend. MurphTheSurf3 in a few seconds
Night! AdLib in a few seconds
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