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Vox Populi – 05-29-2021

May 29, 2021

Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events, starts tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 16 hours ago

Good evening AdLib twilson117 15 hours ago

Hey TW! How are you this evening? AdLib 15 hours ago

Hi Angela! AdLib 15 hours ago

hey ad + TW Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

Doing okay. Just reflecting on the new and the craziness of the Repubs twilson117 15 hours ago

Hello Angela twilson117 15 hours ago

I am almost glad they didn’t approve the 1/6 commission. Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

What if we had one, and they found nothing new? Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

I’d rather go into 2022 attacking the Republicans, asking them what they wanted to hide Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

I’d rather them have to defend themselves on that one Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

Well a select commission seems to be the direction it will go twilson117 15 hours ago

exactly. So we will still have it investigated… Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

In the meantime, we have a line of attack Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

Screw em, I am tired of playing nice with GOPpers…I want blood Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

TW – I think the Repubs just did more damage to themselves than the country by confirming that they are Anti-American and only about grabbing power at all costs. The Select committees will still happen and the investigations will undermine the GOP far more now. AdLib 15 hours ago

Hi TW, Angela, Ad. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

I want to play dirty just like they do…give them a spoonful of their own goddamned medicine Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

Hey PPO! AdLib 15 hours ago

hey PPO Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

What bothers me is these fools are marching toward the path of authoritarianism and don’t know it or don’t care. twilson117 15 hours ago

So, Ad, you and I are of the same mind on this 1/6 commission, eh? Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

I agree with you AdLib twilson117 15 hours ago

Hey PPO twilson117 15 hours ago

Angela – Right with you on that, I didn’t want the commission to happen with Repub control to block subpoenas and staff appointments. The Select Committee is far better and Repubs get the worst of both worlds. AdLib 15 hours ago

Every time they claim to support cops, ask them about Brian Sicknick!! Bring it home to their rotten assess Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

You all must be fming right now, I knnow I am, from here! pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Fuming! pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Ask them why they would not support Brian Sicknick’s MOM…asking them to vote for the commission Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

No, PPO….I am not fuming, I am gleeful…the GOP just fucked themselves Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

What masquerades as the Republican party is really a prelude to facisim twilson117 15 hours ago

Indeed….and I hope I do not live to see it come to full bloom Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

I’m not seeing that, A, just look like the Dems have no power, really. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

TW – It is an existential problem, the GOP is now a full blown cult that is following the lead of Trump, Putin and all those who want to destroy our democracy and replace it with a dictatorship. Dems now need to brand the GOP as enemies of our democracy. AdLib 15 hours ago

I wonder WHY so many of my fellow Americans cannot see the republicans for exactly what they are….power-hungry brigands, hell bent on destroying our democracy in favor of fascism…and one-party rule with iron fist. Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

Angela – Yep, we are definitely on the same page, the commission would never have worked and would have been a political battlefield had the commission been approved. AdLib 15 hours ago

Do these assholes REALLY thik they are gonna be okay when that happens??? That they will only come after US?? Do they really think the brigands will not turn on them?? Are they really a modern-day Dr. Frankenstien? Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

I’m incandescent about our great State back in lockdown, due to the Federal Tory Gummin’ts incompetence and mishandling of the Virus, quarantine and vaccinations 7 days trying to find toilet paper again! ( we have plenty, but you’d think we’re locking down for a year!) pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Remember the one Iowa woman in anguish about how “Trump was not hurting the people who needed to be hurt??” Can you see in that a Dr. Frankenstein, ripping his hair out over the monster he created and no longer could control? Are they that fucking stupid or that fucking hateful or both? Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

PPO have to agree with you. For some reason they don’t believe it couldn’t happen hear. twilson117 15 hours ago

PPO – I’m also not fuming, I think this was an oblivious act of self-sabotage by the GOP. The investigations will still happen, on tv and high profile, just as select committees. But the Repubs won’t be able to block Dems from operating it as they would have with the commission. And now the GOP has declared that it will not protect our democracy and supports an overthrow. They have been severely damaged and they have no clue! AdLib 15 hours ago

Such was also my take, Ad Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

We literally offered the GOP EVERYTHING THEY WANTED in the Commission and still they voted it down…what does that tell you? They have just fucked themselves now, and I am loving it Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

OK, Ad, I sort of see that. I’ll go with you! pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Angela they’re both. twilson117 15 hours ago

What, TW?? That fucking stupid AND that fucking hateful? Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

They are both Angela twilson117 15 hours ago

Loved President Biden showing the list of GOP traitors, where he didn’t name names, but anyone can read them from the list! pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Can’t wait to see the trump Perp Walk….it may be closer than we all think Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

Angela – The sad truth, backed up by a recent study about the composition of people at the 1/6 insurrection, is that they are primarily motivated by racism. They believe the Replacement Theory conspiracy, that white people are being replaced by minorities and they are being driven insane by that fear. No way to reason such people out of that and they represent about 30% of the U.S. population. They need to be steamrolled politically, these new state laws trying to prevent any further elections of Dems need to be stopped in court, by the DoJ or by getting rid of the filibuster and passing HR1 and then the GOP would be consigned to the wilderness for decades, until the nutjob racists no longer control it. AdLib 15 hours ago

James and Vance would not go this far unless they already had an airtight case Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

Hopefully so, and soon, Angela pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

PPO did you say you’re back under quarantine twilson117 15 hours ago

Shit, my state just started rquiring work search agan to get unemployment. I do not want to search for work, because my own company will rehire me, LOL Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

TW, dammit, yes! All because a quarantine hotel in South Australia wasn’t airtight enough. We have 40+ cases. 7-day lockdown. One critical on vent. Indian strain pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Angela – Imagine if the Repubs actually succeeded at destroying democracy and installing Repubs into power despite a majority opposing them. If they thought 1/6 was unpleasant, wait till they see what a fascist takeover of the US brings to their doorstep. AdLib 15 hours ago

no shit, Ad. But they think it will only come to OUR doorsteps and not theirs Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

PPO feel for ya. twilson117 15 hours ago

Dumbasses are in for one hell of a shock Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

Ad, I’d worry that there are enough fascists in the police and Armed Forces to back such a coup. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Do they really believe, if they were successful…that the entire world would not turn against them? Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

AdLib How stupid are these folks. Like Angela said they can’t count. They’re 67% of the population show how in the hell are they going to be replaced? twilson117 15 hours ago

Putin must be doing the Hitler Shuffle right now. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

This is the country that defeated Hitler….now being taken over by Hitler’s ghost Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

People do not learn from history Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

I am scared as hell for the future of our country. Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

TW, they are not worried about being LITERALLY REPLACED. They are worried about their POWER being replaced by their power. Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

The Trump cultists are happily sadistic like their cult leader and worship him for giving them the freedom to be openly hateful. The Repub pols are scared of both and would sell out their mother to them to be re-elected. The GOP no longer has any issues or platform, in fact they literally had no platform in 2020 other than Trump should be king. They will not last, we just need to stop the destruction of democracy and their time will be over. AdLib 15 hours ago

I wish I had your optimism, Ad. I really do. Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

But as a hated minority in this country, I cannot afford optimism. Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

PPO – Same here, loved Biden’s list of Repub liars claiming responsibility for a bill they voted against. AdLib 15 hours ago

Ad, that list should be front and centre of the Dem campaign next year. pinkpantheroz 15 hours ago

Angels – True, Trump and family are going to be charged and I too bet that the evidence is in hand already to convict them. That will derail the GOP as the lunatics rail against America for being a nation of laws. AdLib 15 hours ago

People will speak up for the blacks and the immigrants and the Muslims and the Jews….THEY WILL NOT SPEAK UP FOR TRANS LIKE ME. Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

They will stand by and watch if it ever comes to pass that trans like me are dragged off to crematoriums Angela Bridgman 15 hours ago

PPO as long as Biden keeps getting the kind of wins he has it lays the foundation for a sound defeat of the Repubs in 2021 because the Dems will have solid issues to run on. twilson117 15 hours ago

I really, truly believe that….that most Americans will stand by and watch while WE are dragged off…because hardly EVER does anyone speak up for us Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela, there were times when no one stood up for those groups. Your time will come, don’t worry pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

Yeah, PPO….when?? When I am ninety years old, with grey hair and three marbles left rolling around upstairs, fuck that Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

PPO – If the US Military was controlled by fascists, they would’ve completed the coup on 1/6. The top generals are patriotic and made sure their soldiers did not participate in any of Trump’s madness. They will stand for the Constitution and the people, even though militia types and racists are among the enlisted. AdLib 14 hours ago

PPO also, I believe Trump** and family will be indicted twilson117 14 hours ago

PPO, I truly believe NOBODY will EVER stand up for us. WE are the one convenient minority left that it’s okay to shit on and that is never gonna change Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Like so many other minorities, perhaps not in your lifetime, sadly. but it has to begin somewhere. pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

So what the fuck do I have to look forward to, PPO??? A fucking life of fear? Thanks a fuckton Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

People COULD speak up for us….they just WON’T Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

You’re among friends here, so please calm down pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

No, you are not understanding me here, PPO. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

I am voicing real fear and you are feeding me placating bullshit Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela – People will and are speaking up for trans folks as well, it is not as robust as it should be but it is there and seems to be building. AdLib 14 hours ago

I do not see it Ad Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

The problem is Trump** is clumsy in what he does but, he has provided a playbook for others who are far slicker than he is and that’s when the things can take a noise dive. twilson117 14 hours ago

I still see hateful legislation being crafted and passed against my people Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Sorry you don’t see it Angela. pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

I will see it when MILLIONS march for us like they do for the blacks Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

WHY the hell do their lives matter MORE than ours? Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

TW, that’s the worry, isn’t it? pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

I’m serious…this has been building in me a while Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

I’m tired of being the only group that seems to Matter to nobody Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Hi, CL! pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

hey, CL Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Evening all! Hey Ad, Angela, PPOm TW !!! choicelady 14 hours ago

Angela – I know it’s more worrisome for you and other folks who can be more easily identified by the bigots out there as their “enemies” but they are a minority or Trump would be our dictator right now. We can continue to fight this batte and win but we are in the hardest part of it now. We can succeed as we did in 2020 but not without a powerful struggle. Dems do have unified power, even if they’re strugging to use it but I think the GOP’s actions today make Dem use of power more likely. AdLib 14 hours ago

Hey CL! AdLib 14 hours ago

PPO yes, it’s those who come after we need to worry about. The Josh Hawely types. Highly educated, smooth talkers, and just oozing with sincerity couched in lies and deception. twilson117 14 hours ago

Here is the basic problem, as I see it. We trans are violently killed (we have a TDOR every year) and it only includes those killed by hate violence…not all the ones who suicide because they see no way forward in a cruel unfeeling world…it does not count all of us murdered by economic violence. And WE are murdered in ways that usually can’t be videotaped….so nobody believes us that it is happening to us Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Hello CL twilson117 14 hours ago

BRB AdLib 14 hours ago

WE are first murdered in spirit….and then in body. It’s so common there is something known as The Walking Dead….among us trans. The onles who are alive in body, dead in spirit and devoid of all hope or joy…what a fuckig hell of a way to have to live. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

It is for THEM I fight Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela – I think the BLM movement comes out of massive police violence on an almost daily basis. IF that is happening to the Trans community, even I, who do pay attention, don’t know that. Tracking hate crimes in CA, we are very aware of individual assaults on Trans people , but I have no info on police actions that have taken lives. I’d appreciate knowing what YOU know about the data. We are working on hate crimes laws – that’s an empty hole in our knowledge. choicelady 14 hours ago

The problem is very few people cvollect the data on us….mostly, it is aecdotal and easily dismissed. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela, I’m sorry for you and all trans. I won’t say any more, as I don’t appreciate being scolded for sympathising. pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

People do not WANT to believe what we face. They don’t WANT to believe people are that cruel and violent but they are Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

PPO, you were not sympathizing…you were offering weak platitudes. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Whatever pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

Angela – that’s part of the problem. Data collection and reporting. Would you be willing to talk with my husband who is pushing for EXACTLY that – accurate reporting by cops? And about abuses to Trans community people BY cops? choicelady 14 hours ago

I am just TIRED of BLM getting so much love and support…while we get so little. I don’t want to take from them, but goddamn it they are sucking all the fucking oxygen out of the room!! Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

CL….it is NOT, for the most part, COPS that are our problem Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Yes, many of us are mistreated in law enforcement custody, but few of us are killed that way Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela – the perpetrators are the SAME people. We call them “multi-mission extremists”. It’s critical we see the patterns and the offenders. choicelady 14 hours ago

Look up Kanautica Zayre-Brown sometime. This is a local case of a trans woman being mistreated in custody….it’s in Anson County, NC Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

At first, she was being held in the men’s prison ay Lillington…even though she was fully post-op!! Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

There are two levels of murder and abuse – the zealots and the cops. If the cops aren’t shooting you dead in the street, they aren’t upholding your rights either. That’s important. choicelady 14 hours ago

YES, CL!! Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

THAT is the problem we have with cops. They are not defending US Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

They are ALLOWING us to be slaughtered, not participating in it themselves Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

That is why it’s important to have your story and your data if you have it (anecdotal is still useful.) Please think it over about talking with us? choicelady 14 hours ago

I am just tired of people talking as if blacks are the ONLY ONES who are treated unfairly Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

CL, I will talk with you any time. I just don’t have a lot of HARD DATA I can oput my hands on…that isn’t how it works in my community….especially after four years of Trump! Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

The HARD DATA that once was collected on us….stopped in the Trump era, at his direction Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

There does need to be solidarity among ALL victims of hate crimes. I’ve been saying that since 2000 when I was on AG Bill Lockyer’s Civil Rights Commission. I got very little support from any other community because at the time I was calling for including prochoice women’s clinic issues because of the common perp. Didn’t get anywhre. choicelady 14 hours ago

CDC used to do a report every year on the number of trans assaulted in bathrooms…and the number who required emergency medical service as a result of bathroom avoidance (dehydration, bladder spasms, UTI’s, etc) Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela – I think I knew we had once had much better data. Another Trump trashing of info. choicelady 14 hours ago

I think the George Floyd protests hit such a chord because there is so much awareness of how bigotry has been getting worse against everyone who isn’t a straight white male. I think things are still bubbling beneath the surface right now and I could imagine that could be triggered to rise up. AdLib 14 hours ago

Hey Murph! AdLib 14 hours ago

That is just my problem, CL…I can’t give you HARD DATA because for years now, HARD DATA has not been being collected. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela – I have been to the memorials for Trans victims of hate murder. Trinity Cathedral used (pre COVID) to do that annually. choicelady 14 hours ago

Hi there..and happy birthday to Angela! Belated, but put on my “to say” list. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Hey, Murph, and thanks Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela – you can give me ‘soft data’! We probably HAVE the hard data pre Trump choicelady 14 hours ago

Hi, Murph! pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

HEY MURPH!!! choicelady 14 hours ago

I now have made it fifty cycles around the sun on this miserable lump of cold rock we call home, LOL Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Hey Murph twilson117 14 hours ago

My pleasure, Angela. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Angela – Happy Birthday! Fifty is (cough) young! choicelady 14 hours ago

CL, the best source would be to look to organizations like NCTE (National Center For Transgender Equality) Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

CL – There needs to be unity between all people seen as targets for hatred. Otherwise, it’s like Whack-A-Mole. Hatred and bigotry needs to be the adversary for every American of conscience, especially when it is witnessed in those who have power, like police and politicians. AdLib 14 hours ago

Hello to ad, angela, chice, ppo, and twilson…..sorry to be so late. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Angela – thanks – I think Greg knows it, but I’ll double check. choicelady 14 hours ago

They did two studies, in 2011 and in 2015. I participated in both studies. I can give you all the hard data from those Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Cool, thanks! choicelady 14 hours ago

I think I will just hang out…and see what you all are chatting about. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Well, we started on the 1/6 commission….now we are talking about hate crimes Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Any conclusions re. 1/6? MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

And my frustration….at the immense amount of love and support lavished on BLM….while my trans community gets squat. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

FYI< Murph, Victoria is in 7 day lockdown due to new cluster of Covid. pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

I mean….I HEAR “Trans Lives Matter” but I do not see people ACTING like our lives matter! Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

LOL! I am THRILLED – and I think Ad supports this – that the commission is DOA because now Nancy will convene a House Select Committee (she already said) w no baggage from Kevvie and Mich. choicelady 14 hours ago

yep Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Love it that the GOP voted down the 1/6 Commission. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

PPO….what is your vaccination rate? MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

OK – Y’all should know I know Kevin and detest him with the warmth of all suns. choicelady 14 hours ago

5 fucking % !!!!! Tories dropped the ball again! pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

There will still be an investigation, now without Republican interference…and meanwhile, THEY will have to explain to voters why they opposed it and what they are trying to hide…and every time they claim Blue Lives Matter we can ask them about Brian Sicknick. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

PPO – that’s HORRIBLE!! choicelady 14 hours ago

Time to go NUCLEAR on their asses Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Choice…how will the senate participate in the select committee…will they have to form their own…or will that be blocked by the GOP….I suspect so. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Select Committees are all done within one chamber Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

I think the House committe – just like the Senate Watergate Committee – is stand alone. choicelady 14 hours ago

House Select Committee and/or Senate Select Committee. There may or may not be a parallel, separate Senate Committee Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

A select committee is better than no committee twilson117 14 hours ago

Why is it so hard to kill the filibuster? is it in case both sides may need it in future? pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

That’s part of it, PPO. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

I think that we know that the GOP will toss the filibuster out whenever there is any reason to do so……so why don’t the dems do it now….maybe Manchin has finally realized that he is being played. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Angela – that would be fine w me. Two committees? No GOP? Cool. choicelady 14 hours ago

The other part is….the GOP USE the filibuster when they are the minority, as it is the only tool available to minority. But the DEMS do NOT use it…and they need to Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

More GOP would be open to modifying or getting rid of the filibuster if we used it like they do Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

PPO it’s a relic and for and the Repubs have gotten very good at using it to stymie anything the Dems want to do. twilson117 14 hours ago

Does the Senate have to agree to the establishment of a Senate Committee…can the GOP block it? If so, the GOP will get to point to the House Select as Nancy’s vendetta. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Technically, there even isn’t any such thing as the “filibuster” in words, anywaay. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Murph – Manchin is so horrified by what happened today, he may well be very malleable. I HATE the current filibuster – file a paper and go to Aruba. If we have it, let’s make it onerous, a “Mr Smith Goes to Washington” style all ON TOPIC, one person, adn 3/5 of the the Senate have to stay and listen. choicelady 14 hours ago

When people talk about the filibuster, they are talkiuung about invoking cloture. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Senate Rule 22 specifically. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Murph – I don’t think the senate can block it. choicelady 14 hours ago

Yes – but if the filibuster is ONE person on his/her feet for hours, people HAVE to listen, it will become a burden on the GOP they don’t want. choicelady 14 hours ago

Murph, more likely the Senate will just let the House do their thing and stay out of the way is my guess. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

BTW Angela, Happy Birthday!

AdLib 14 hours ago

Choice…..I suspect that the GOP would find a way to bear with the discomfort created by the filibuster you describe if it stalls the dems long enough so that their sabotage of the electoral process cannot be undone. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

After all it is the HOUSE CHAMBER that got invaded. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

AW Ad – you got Angela a cake! Sweet! choicelady 14 hours ago

Thanks Ad Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Nice cake!……well chosen I suspect. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Seriously, Murph….I suspect the Senate will just let the House take this one….no need for two separate investigations. Besides, as I mentioned it was the HOUSE CHAMBER that actually got invaded Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Murph you remember the 10,000 Bengazi committees? Then JB authorized the select committee Hillary testified for 11 hours totally controlled by the House because they held the majority at the time. twilson117 14 hours ago

Is it gluten free? Asking for a friend… choicelady 14 hours ago

Excactly, CL! I think the Select Committee, which was used for Watergate, will be far more effective and far more damaging to the GOP than they realize right now. AdLib 14 hours ago

That depends on who is on the Committee, too you know Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Twilson…yes, I do. Good points. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Ad – the GOP shot themselves in the foot. Again. They’re the only people I know who do that, then go back and reload. choicelady 14 hours ago

Hey Happy Birthday Angela, I wish I could see 50 again. twilson117 14 hours ago

CL, I am diabetic, so I am guessing the cake is both gluten free and sugar free Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela – Nancy ain’t lettin’ no doofus GOP on. Anyone who voted against ratification of the election? OFF! choicelady 14 hours ago

I have a friend who suggests that the Dems have actually won in this because the GOP could have hobbled the Commission given its 50/50 power share. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Angela – give us enough parameters, it will also be TASTE free. choicelady 14 hours ago

CL, but they seem to always get away with it, using smoke, mirrors and special effects to divert, distract, dissemble. pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

Such was my take as well, Murph, as I expressed before you got on Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Murph – yes. Yes the Dems won today. choicelady 14 hours ago

Joe Manchin will play Captain Renault in the remake of Casablanca:

AdLib 14 hours ago

Murph you’re friend is not alone in his assessment. twilson117 14 hours ago

Angela…or a cardboard model….just good to look at…yummy for eyes and not the tummy. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Actually, Murph….every year, my mom makes me a sugar-free cheesecake for my birthday. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Oh, Angela – I LOVE your Mom, sight unseen! choicelady 14 hours ago

Angela…how nice…and tasty. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

She knows I love cheesecake, and sugar-free cheesecake is still very yummy….if you did not know it was sugar free, you’d never figure it out Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

AdLIb now I know what I’m going to be watching tomorrow twilson117 14 hours ago

CL – It is gluten-free and you actually lose weight when eating this cake. AdLib 14 hours ago

CL, I love my mom, too, very much. You can’t have her. LOL Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

CALORIE FREE??? Ad – I love you! choicelady 14 hours ago

She got me a real emerald for my fiftieth birthday. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Damn, Angela. I never liked MY mother but you won’t share??? Rats/ choicelady 14 hours ago

And next week, we are going to the jeweler to have it put in something….I am thinking a nice bracelet Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Your mom is a keeper. choicelady 14 hours ago

Share, possibly. But you can’t have her. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

LOL Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

OK – I’ll settle for share. choicelady 14 hours ago

I am thinking a nice silver bracelet with the emerald set into it. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Murph – Yes, I’ve been saying the same and others here have too, this is actually a win for Dems and the nation, that Dems will run a real investigation without Repub interference on 1/6. AND…the Select Committee will be bipartisan too, there will be Repubs on it but just not able to stop the investigation or taint it. And IMO, no Repub who voted to overturn the electoral votes should be permitted onto it. AdLib 14 hours ago

Correct, Murph. Now you know what I meant about depends on who is on the Committee Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Shaub tweets :Filibustering for terrorists. Is there anything lower? I have to agree. pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

Ad…I like your thinking on this….and Angela too….the committee may be our best shot at the truth….any way the Dems can hold onto the House do you think? MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

CL – The GOP is like a beaten dog now and its mastes are Trump and his cult. They don’t hesitate to humiliate themselves as ordered because there is no soul left in them. AdLib 14 hours ago

I’d like to see Jerrld Nadler leading it Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

There will be Repubs on the select committee and you can bet they will do their best to derail it but, they will be shut down. twilson117 14 hours ago

And Trump…it appears is just getting into deeper and deeper shit as the investigations get up and running. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

TW – I watched Casablanca again last year, always find new things to enjoy in it. AdLib 14 hours ago

That is why I want Nadler leading it. He won’t tolerate bullshit Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela – What a wonderful birthday gift from Mom! AdLib 14 hours ago

Angela – Nadler (with whom I had a GREAT one to one talk in 2009) or Schiff. choicelady 14 hours ago

AdLib, well it will Casablanca and the Maltase Falcon. twilson117 14 hours ago

Yes, it was very special, because it was my fiftieth birthday. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

PPO? DM on Twitter from me. Don’t think you saw it yet. choicelady 14 hours ago

CL, not Schiff Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela – why notSchiff? choicelady 14 hours ago

I can just see them deriding Shifty Schiff….no….let Nadler lead it Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

let ’em try to fuck with his name Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

OK – either way is fine with me. choicelady 14 hours ago

Murph – Absolutely, Dems can hold onto the House and even increase its majority in The Senate in 2022. But one of two things has to happen, lawsuits against the states trying to suppress voting have to win or the Senate has to get rid of the filibuster at least for HR1 and pass it. AdLib 14 hours ago

Do you all discuss the Ryan address today….? Will it matter? MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

CL, Thanks for your thoughts. pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

Nbody pays attention to Paul Ryan anymore. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Murph – Ryan made a damned fool of himself. choicelady 14 hours ago

Murph Rayan has nothing I care to listen to. twilson117 14 hours ago

PPO

choicelady 14 hours ago

Does ANYONE listen to Ryan any more? More fools they. pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

No surprises, but ROJO made an ass out of himself again. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

And how about Goetz’s case to a rowdy crowd about the 2nd amendment as a call to arms against the government…..I wonder if he knows how G. Washington re. the Whisky Rebellion? MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Ryan is what passes for a rational intellectual in the GOP – as once Newt did. They are ores of very low yield. Fool’s gold at best. choicelady 14 hours ago

Angela – Not a big fan of Nadler, he got spun around easily by Repubs last time. I liked Neguse and the other prosecutors (the Rep from VI) in the last impeachment trial against Trump. Better to have such sharp prosecutors in charge than politicians who don’t know prosecutions as well. AdLib 14 hours ago

Aw, fuck Matt Gaetz. He is nothing but Ace Ventura in a suit!! Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

So Ryan zeroes out. No one will take him seriously since he represents no one. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Murph – I came across a comedian who noted that the 2A was NOT about going up against your gov’t. Has no one heard of howitzers? choicelady 14 hours ago

TW – Exactly, the Repubs on the Select Committee can grandstand but they can’t stop the investigation or derail it, as would have been the case with the commission. AdLib 14 hours ago

Seriously, folks….sometime, look at side by side pictures of Matt Gaetz and Ace Ventura and tell me you do not see the resemblance Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

There is a far more serious aspect to Gaetz – his call to take up arms against Silicon Valley. Mark my words – someone will. choicelady 14 hours ago

We have similar fools in Federal Parliament who are advocating taking baseball bats to the Opposition leaders! God Help us! This crap is spreading as fast as the fecking Virus, it IS a virus. pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

Angela – the stupid of Ace and Matt are indeed mirror images. choicelady 14 hours ago

That was Josh Hawley that talked up taking arms against Silicon Valley….his stupid book is all about that Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Well CL if they do it will play right back to him twilson117 14 hours ago

Choice….a neighbor is fond of saying that all of the militias in mo. would be ground to fine class by a platoon of rangers. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Angela – was it? Well eff him and the water buffalo he rode in on. It will now HAPPEN. choicelady 14 hours ago

Probably. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Murph – LOL! choicelady 14 hours ago

Choice “glass” not “class” MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

TW – Tough choice between the two, Casablanca and Maltese Falcon are so much fun to watch because the supporting casts and character actors (like Lorre and Greenstreet in the latter) are fantastic. AdLib 14 hours ago

Though I wouldn’t cry much for Fuckerberg. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Radical lurch – did anyone find out what happened to glenn? choicelady 14 hours ago

Murph, a whole platoon??? Surely jus a couple of squaddies pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

Ad You just can’t beat the classics twilson117 14 hours ago

PPO – LOL!!! choicelady 14 hours ago

Hell, for me, classics are John Hughes, okay? Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela – you’re putting us Boomers to shame! choicelady 14 hours ago

LOL, I am an Xer…that is my job description.

Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela – HAH! choicelady 14 hours ago

Gaetz knows his living on borrowed time and wants to cause as much chaos as he can hoping it will somehow derail his prosecution. Trump is the same and frankly, the sight of him, Ivanka, Don Jr. and Eric being in court and prosecuted will have me smiling in my sleep. AdLib 14 hours ago

Ad – same here. I hate the color orange and SO wish it on them ALL. choicelady 14 hours ago

Hell, when I see those assholes all up on trial, I will be so happy I will be whistling Zippedie Doo Dah through my asshole! Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

TW – Right with you! AdLib 14 hours ago

Who caught my movie reference there?? Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

AD would love the see the whole Trump** clan do the perp-walk shuffle twilson117 14 hours ago

Angela – TMI, friend!!! TMI!!! choicelady 14 hours ago

CL, you missed the movie reference Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Not I. What movie? choicelady 14 hours ago

Ad, from your words to DOJ’s ears, or at least SDNY. I hear they may use a mob law to get them. Please let it be soon, so the GOP’s Fatted Pig is BBQBed pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

National Lampoon’s Vacation. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela – Hope our conversations about these movies makes you feel younger…because you are, enjoy it! AdLib 14 hours ago

Oh – I should have gotten that. I LOVE that movie! choicelady 14 hours ago

Chevy Chase said it to his family when things were going bad…that eventually they would be whistling zippedie doo dah through their assholes, LOL Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Ad – it’s not as if you’re THAT much older. You’re still a young’un to me. choicelady 14 hours ago

God that movie was so funny Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

“Good Talk, Son.” “Good talk, Dad.” Burp! A great moment in Family Vacation. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

I snuck in to see it in the theatres when I was eight years old Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

It was a great movie. choicelady 14 hours ago

PPO – Yep, read today that the Manhattan DA is looking at using RICO laws which would allow him to convict all the Trumps over any criminality of any of them and/or the company. This is what many of us have been rooting for, if he does that, the Trumps are so screwed! AdLib 14 hours ago

OK – now you’re making ME feel old! I saw it on TV as an adult. choicelady 14 hours ago

Ad – I SAW that – GREAT news! choicelady 14 hours ago

I was a specialist at ssneaking in to R Rated movies. They did not even HAVE PG-13 back then Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Thanks for that, CL but I think the Trump years have aged me! AdLib 14 hours ago

It is so hard to be patient, CL and Ad. Can’t wait for the first shoes to drop pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

I wonder where the courts are going to end up…esp. the Supremes when efforts are made to block GOP efforts to spoil the electoral process? MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Angela – they had NO ratings when I was a kid. I saw “Two Women” when I was 16 – never got over it. choicelady 14 hours ago

LOL Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Back when I was a kid there was just G PG R and X Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

PPO – I know. But I was a ‘subject matter expert” on a federal crime and know how painstaking it is and how long it takes. choicelady 14 hours ago

now what the hell do they got, G PG PG-13 R NC-17 and X Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela…when I was a kid…the ratings were what the churches put out….I recall “The Index” for RC’s MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

LOL Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

CL, yes, I know it is painstaking, but…… sigh

pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

Murph – I was a Protestant. The Church didn’t tell ME what to do! choicelady 14 hours ago

PPO – The fact that a grand jury has been impaneled by the Manhattan DA and NY AG means they have the evidence to convict Trump and/or Weisselman and/or the Org. Trump will be criminally prosecuted if RICO is used because the pattern of criminality surrounding Trump and his business is undeniable. AdLib 14 hours ago

PPO – yes. It’s easier when you’re part of it than to wait wondering what’s going on. choicelady 14 hours ago

I was Catholic. The Church TRIED to tell me what to do, but I would have no part of it. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Choice….I recall that you were Episcopalian, yes? MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

We amicably split when I was 13. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Angela – I know a bunch of kick ass nuns who feel the same way! choicelady 14 hours ago

Murph, in Ireland the RC was the law! They would just cut out all the naughty bits, and we’d all sout ‘CUT’ because it was so obvious. pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

So do I, actually….I remember The Nuns On The Bus….remember them?? Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

PPO – LOL!!! choicelady 14 hours ago

PPO…Hah! MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

The woman who headed “Nuns on the Bus” is a friend. I roomed w her at conferences. She’s a trip. choicelady 14 hours ago

I saw a midnight showing of Clockwork Orange when I was 15 and it was amazing. I also saw a midnight show of Pink Flamingos which was so fun but I will never forget the final scene, I can see it in my mind right now. AdLib 14 hours ago

Sister Simone?? Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Sr. Simone Campbell. choicelady 14 hours ago

CL….you talking Sister Simone? God I loved her Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Yup. We were pals for a time/ choicelady 14 hours ago

way fuckin cool!! Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

CL…you the MOST INTERESTING friends…..The Head Nun on the Bus, for example. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

She was our Ware Lecturer one year at teh UUA General Assembly. I think it was 2014 Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Her predecessor here in Sacramento, Sr. Sheila Walsh was even MORE kick ass. She knew I was very prochoice (as did the others) and TOTALLY supported me on everything that I had to face because of it. I was being stalked at the time. They were GREAT. choicelady 14 hours ago

Well, folks, time to depart. See you all next week. pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

Murph – I do indeed have interesting friends. From Wiccans to nuns. I run the gamut. choicelady 14 hours ago

PPO – have a GREAT week. See you on Twitter. Hugs. choicelady 14 hours ago

Choice, how did Sr. Walsh support you on the pro choice matter MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Love to Fergie, too~ choicelady 14 hours ago

So long, PPO and best to Fergie. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

bye PPO Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

CL, I actually wrote about Sister Simone Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Sr. Walsh gave me two gifts – she never would “out” me with the Catholic Conference w which I needed to work and was supportive of what I had done. The second was teaching me to “speak truth to power: fearlessly. choicelady 14 hours ago

I included her in a service I gave as a Lay Minister at my UU church….and the direct influence she had on me Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Well, I came late but you all kept the party going….thank you. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Simone can be a royal pain in the ass, but her guidestar is never wrong. choicelady 14 hours ago

Indeed! Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

CL..sounds like a wise lady. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Simone made me think REAL HARD about some things I had said. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Sorry folks but had a computer glitch that knocked me off I back for the moment twilson117 14 hours ago

wb, TW Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

Seeya PPO! AdLib 14 hours ago

Angela – I would do the same – make you think about what you’ve said. I learned that from them but come naturally to it as well. choicelady 14 hours ago

Welcome back TW MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Last thing, CL Fergie and I married in ’83. We had a Druid as Best Man. Jewish and Greek Orthodox as groomsmen. Many gays from the airline industry ( She was with United) a great melange of folk! pinkpantheroz 14 hours ago

Sorry TW – is it fixed? choicelady 14 hours ago

PPO – MY kind of wedding! choicelady 14 hours ago

Well, I know I do not always choose my words well when I am really frustrated and really hurt and really scared. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

TW – Is there a technical issue? AdLib 14 hours ago

Yes It may be time to get a new laptop twilson117 14 hours ago

Angela – of course not. You’re claiming you’re human? Oh, woe! We ALL do that! choicelady 14 hours ago

I’d said something a few weeks before I saw Simone, and had a chance to tell her about it…and she gave me a different perspective. Angela Bridgman 14 hours ago

PPO….funky nuptials. Love it. MurphTheSurf3 14 hours ago

Ad it’s something with windows 10 and my laptop twilson117 14 hours ago

Simone would choicelady 14 hours ago

TW – You may just need to clear the cache of your browser to solve this issue. AdLib 14 hours ago

TW – Or else you may need to restart your computer to clear the memory. AdLib 13 hours ago

Ad I think it’s more than that. It has to do with widows 10 and the blue screen blues twilson117 13 hours ago

Side note: Trump’s Blog appears to be a bust…..a sign of some reasonableness on the part of his homeboys and girls…..or just a blip? MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

TW – I hate the Blue Screen Blues. AdLib 13 hours ago

Probably a bust because he was not getting the adulation from it that he craves Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Angela – the Catholic Church is so multi layered you can find fascists (Barr) and glorious humanitarians (Simone, Sheila.) It’s why I can work w them where we agree. And we agree on most everything that doesn’t involve (shhhhh) sex. choicelady 13 hours ago

Trump’s blog has less traffic right now than PlanetPOV! AdLib 13 hours ago

Too much work for too little worship, was probably Trump’s view Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Murph from what I hear about his blog he just writes in long prose with no pagination which is not going to get you readers. twilson117 13 hours ago

Ad…but Planet POV is about the truth and Trump is about the Big Lie. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

Murph – you NAILED it. choicelady 13 hours ago

I looked at his blog…..Twitter disciplined his prose…….now he is a free wheeling blabber mouth. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

Murph that’s time you will never get back twilson117 13 hours ago

Murph – blabber mouth, blubber butt – it is related. choicelady 13 hours ago

Trump and his blog reminds me of the scene in The Office where Creed thinks he’s writing a blog on the internet but he’s been fooled into just writing into a Word Doc because his thoughts are too disturbing for the web. AdLib 13 hours ago

TW – LOL!!! choicelady 13 hours ago

I read electoral-vote.com every morning….saves me the trouble of having to read shit like Trump’s blog. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Exactly, Murph! AdLib 13 hours ago

They read it for ya, and report if anything is worth reporting Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Amng many other topics, by the way Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Thanks for that, Angela – I’ll look into it. choicelady 13 hours ago

So if Trump is convicted, even if he isn’t locked up, is that the beginning of the end for the GOP? AdLib 13 hours ago

That site is like my morning coffee. Gets me my political and other news of the day Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

https://www.electoral-vote.com/ Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Angela….an info source I do not know….will take a look. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

I mean, a political party led by a convicted felon just doesn’t have a winning ring to it. AdLib 13 hours ago

They have a Sunday Mailbag, my letters are often printed, too Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Ad I think it will free up those who want to run for President. twilson117 13 hours ago

Ad – I do think if he’s convicted a small number of dangerous people will rise, and the rest will cave. But I lived near where Tim McVeigh grew up, and I never underestimate those types EVER. choicelady 13 hours ago

Saturdays is the Q and A day, so that is what you will get tomorrow….but they have updates every day. Five days a week, news and commentary, then Sat is Q and A and Sunday is Mailbag Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Angela – sounds very cool. choicelady 13 hours ago

CL, I never underestimate those people either Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Local news…here in Mo. the state legislature is moving to cut the number of polling places in the three Dem bastions by half….why bother given the state makeup? Well, it is all about making the case for a GOP tsunami. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

How can they cut polling places in half? Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

TW – But Trump can still run even if convicted or imprisoned. He probably won’t but Repubs will vie for his endorsement. The endorsement of convicted criminal. AdLib 13 hours ago

MO – land of my grandfather – just purely sucks these days. choicelady 13 hours ago

What do they just arbitrarily merge Precincts? Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

In NC we have a polling place for every Precinct. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Ad I never said the Trump** rebpubs were smart twilson117 13 hours ago

And I am still Chair of WCDP Precinct 10-02 Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

CL – I hate to agree with you on that but I do think a violent, terrorist attack would be more likely with Trump’s conviction and imprisonment. But it will be the death knell for the GOP who won’t want to investigate that either. AdLib 13 hours ago

Ad – agreed. But I sure don’t want that to happen. choicelady 13 hours ago

What is happening is that they are moving to centralized polling to “promote efficient identification of ‘false voters’ to ensure electoral integrity”…BS MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

I keep saying it would be better for the whole country if Colonel Sanders would just take care of it for us Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

He makes good chicken, too! choicelady 13 hours ago

Murph you said they are cutting the poll locations for Dems in half? What the hell?? twilson117 13 hours ago

Yaknow…just have a wishbone go down the wrong way…problem solved. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

TW – nothing says bias quite like THAT. choicelady 13 hours ago

Murph how many false voters did they have?? twilson117 13 hours ago

Probably zero Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

To me it is clear…dissuade blacks, latinxs and legalized immigrants from even trying to vote. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

CL – With you on that, not what I want to happen but like you, just extrapolating behavior that is very likely. AdLib 13 hours ago

Murph, that cannot stand….if they do not also cut Republican polling places in half Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

False voters? Does the truth even matter? MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

Ad – all we had to see was the zealot who shot up the DC pizza parlor. That mindset is everywhere among them. choicelady 13 hours ago

How do they justify a law with such obvious animus towards a specific group of people (in this case, Democrats) Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Murph – This is why I said that the lawsuits against this voter suppression need to prevail or Manchin and Sinema (who I dislike more with each passing day) must approve at least a conditional waiving of filibusters to pass HR1. AdLib 13 hours ago

Angela- they have been VERY open about voting and have said if everyone votes, GOP lose. You cannot get more blatant than that. choicelady 13 hours ago

Angela..with state legislatures across the country so thoroughly controlled by the GOP….truth does not matter. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

The courts need to help us then. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Oh, and I am with ya on hating Sinema. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Ad…those lawsuits…..will the appeals and supreme courts back up lower courts? MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

She is a sleazy piece of shit that occasionally wears a cute outfit Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

I think SCOUTS has ultra conservative views on social issues but NOT on democracy. Remember they handed Trump many losses last year. This isn’t a slam dunk for the GOP even with Mz. Amy. choicelady 13 hours ago

Amy COVID Barrett? Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

CL – Yes, and from that we finally arrive at 1/6. But there is much more horribleness waiting to happen as desperation grows. Another national defeat for Repubs in 2022 or 2024 could set off a real widespread insurrection. And that will have to be met with unrelenting force. AdLib 13 hours ago

CL…I pray that you are correct in this. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

Angela – the AZ State Dem Party just sent Sinema and Kelly (who didn’t need it) directives to vote DEM on issues and not be jerks. Better worded, but that was the gist. choicelady 13 hours ago

nice, CL Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Murph – I pray I’m correct on it, too! choicelady 13 hours ago

CL…..good for them… MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

Murph it doesn’t make any sense. When you get a ballot it has both candidates on it, which allows you to make the choice you constitutionally have. I’m sure there were votes for republicans in so called dem locations. twilson117 13 hours ago

Ad, I am all in on unrelenting force. Frankly, I want to see them handle any insurrection with the force it deserves. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

AZ Dems basically told Sinema “Honey, we brought you here. We can take you out.” She needed to hear that. choicelady 13 hours ago

Did you see how rural counties in OR have passed a vote to look into becoming part of Idaho? Morons, it doesn’t work that way but they are driven to stupid action by their fear, hatred and racism. They want a white state, that’s the goal of that. AdLib 13 hours ago

TW….we have three centers of Dem strength and I think the effort is to lower the number of voters in each which will lower the Dem voting bloc across the state….indicating a growing GOP and a shrinking Dem even if that is not so. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

Ad – The “Stat of Jefferson” in NE CA wants in as well. choicelady 13 hours ago

The State Of Jefferson, don’t make me laugh Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Murph – SCOTUS backed the lower courts on election suits in 2020. I think they know that if they destroy democracy, the public will come for them next. AdLib 13 hours ago

Funny how a bunch of right-wing pricks would choose to name their new state after a Democrat Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

That’s what they call it. Signs all along I-5 from Williams up to OR. choicelady 13 hours ago

They think Jefferson was a populist. choicelady 13 hours ago

Ad, I know someone in Or who tells me that the resentment that the many small GOP counties have toward the few but large Dem counties shows up in every discussion of how decisions are made in the state. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

No surprise there, the GOP is the Party Of Resentment Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Sinema is a nutjob, she needs to be primaried by a strong candidate in 2022. AdLib 13 hours ago

Ad….I pray that you too are correct in your analysis of Court action. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

should actually call them the QOP,, or the GQP Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

I think GQP has quite caught on, at least on Twitter. choicelady 13 hours ago

Angela, Q has kind of gone underground…but GQP is a marvelous reminder that they are still very much there. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

Don’t count Q out. Underground is where they go to rebuild strength….only to rear their ugly fucking heads again Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Murph – Yes, I know how the rural counties in OR are so much like The South when it comes to ignorance and racism. Not everyone but a preponderance. They hate that they are outnumbered in the state by smart people of conscience. Too bad for them. AdLib 13 hours ago

Murph how is that the mindset of so many gets corrupted to accepting one point of view as being the answer to everything.? twilson117 13 hours ago

I worry when a movement goes dark. We don’t know what they’re plotting. Sacramento is a key hit point, and it scares the bejeezus out of me. choicelady 13 hours ago

We LGBTQ peeps have been telling the rest of you…SINCE THE FUCKING EIGHTIES…that this sick underbelly existed in America, but none of you would believe us….because it didn’t touch your skin. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Angela…oh, they are there….and squirming just beneath the surface. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

yep, exactly what I just said, Murph Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

The actual Q has quit because he was exposed in an HBO doc. He can’t hide anymore and he may have cause to fear arrest. AdLib 13 hours ago

TW- my two cents: the viewpoint is whiteness. The Sin of America is slavery cum racism. That’s all that matters. choicelady 13 hours ago

Ad…. good summary. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

Ad….was that the fucknut from Berkeley Hights, NJ? Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

TW…when I first came to Mo. there was still a powerful Dem presence in state government…it has been trampled… MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

TW – The fearful and hateful are always easily led by zealots promising to destroy their enemies. That is intentional and why the GOP only has fear, hatred and violence to promote itself. AdLib 13 hours ago

CL you may be right. But, if you’re a thinking individual – I know I’m out on a limb here – but common sense tells you, you should think about things. twilson117 13 hours ago

Q was Ron Watkins:

AdLib 13 hours ago

Angela – I’ve been singing that song against the RW and esp. the Religious Right since I was 10 years old. Especially since the 80s. And nope, no one listened or thought them funny. They’re deadly. I’ve lost five friends to them in murder. I’ve been stalked 5 times by them. They aren’t to be ignored. choicelady 13 hours ago

Ad you’re right, what you just said took be back to Federalist 1 where Hamilton said as much. twilson117 13 hours ago

CL, the sin of America….is to claim what a great nation we are because of the ideals we cherish….and then to not only fail to live up to those ideals…but to GLEEFULLY AND CHEERFULLY REFUSE to live up to them. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Yes – the rise of the “multi mission extremist’ is to hate everyone while wrapping yourself in the flag. choicelady 13 hours ago

TW – Isn’t it amazing how no matter how society progresses, human nature doesn’t so much. Hamilton and other founders worried about the rise of populists. What we’re living through now is their nightmare about what could happen to the US. AdLib 13 hours ago

Murph, are the Repubs still fighting giving the folks access to medicad? twilson117 13 hours ago

I would argue dogs were a superior life form over humans. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Everyone should read Paul Hawken’s “Blessed Unrest” about the rise of DEMOCRATIC movements globally. He predicted the pushback would be violent and extreme. choicelady 13 hours ago

Angela….this is brilliant: “The sin of America….is to claim what a great nation we are because of the ideals we cherish….and then to not only fail to live up to those ideals…but to GLEEFULLY AND CHEERFULLY REFUSE to live up to them. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

When you can terrify people and point at “the enemy”, you can gain their mindless support and then you have power. That is the game we’re watching that the GOP has been playing for decades. Now, it’s consumed them as well. AdLib 13 hours ago

Thanks, Murph…I have been saying that for years now. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Glad soeone finally heard it Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

TW..the GOP legislature has blocked all funding that would expand medicaid. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

CL…Hawken was prophetic. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

I would argue the floodgates opened in earnest w Reagan especially admitting RW Dominionist faux Christians into the mix. choicelady 13 hours ago

Aside from taxcuts for the rich, can anyone name one policy the GOP stands for aside from attacking the “enemies” of their white, racist base? AdLib 13 hours ago

The easiest way to over-ride the logical mind is to engage a man’s fear. – Thomas Hobbes Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Murph. He was. But he had great hopes for people’s power. Hope HE is correct. choicelady 13 hours ago

Hobbes – whom I otherwise detest – was correct here. choicelady 13 hours ago

Ad It is, and it’s also amazing Hamilton and others understood what populism would do to the democratic process. Will we never learn? twilson117 13 hours ago

Yep. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Angela…like a laser are ye focused: “The easiest way to over-ride the logical mind is to engage a man’s fear. – Thomas Hobbes” MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

Likewise, I detest Hobbes. Yet I still use thiis quote, because it is TRUTH Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Yes, he was often correct. choicelady 13 hours ago

Indeed. Didn’t make him any less detestable, though Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Hey….real quick…is it just me…or does Tucker Carlson have the most-punchable face in America just lately?? Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Oh crap – yelling from out front. We have “new homeless” who are not easy people to deal with. I need to go sort it all out. I’m the neighborhood mom. Hope to see y’all next week! Bye! choicelady 13 hours ago

TW – A majority of Americans have learned that but the minority that the GOP has targeted, mostly the bastians of racism (or bastards?), are beyond learning and reason. They vote against their own interests and cheer when Repubs harm them…because at least the people they hate are being hurt too. AdLib 13 hours ago

Ad…am I right in judging that this Vox is setting a recent record for longevity? MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

Did you hear his latest bunch of shit…advocating anti-askers to harass people who still choose to wear masks….and to attack them? Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Bye…choice…the very best to you. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

Bye, CL Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Ad it seems the Repubs in your state – as in so many – just want people to suffer and then blame them for their suffering, suffering which they caused. twilson117 13 hours ago

No, here is the truth about Republicans…. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Murph – Vox has been lasting later the last couple of weeks which is very cool, we have so much to share and clearly are enjoying it! AdLib 13 hours ago

If you give them a choice… Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

A – you will be better off than you were tomorrow…but so will your gay Jewish black neighbor….or…. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Well…Ad, I am happy for that… MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

B – you will be worse off tomorrow than you are now…but your gay Jewish black neighbor will be FAR WOSE OFF…. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

They will choose B every time Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Seriously….they do not care if they hurt, as long as their hated people hurt MORE. They will then just blame their own hurt on the Democrats….instead of their own voting Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

I heard an explanation for Tucker, MTG, Gaetz and the rest of the MAGA extremists. They are in a competition to concoct the most outrageous lies because that is what brings the most contributions, ratings, support, etc. from the Trump cultists. They are intentionally lying to get the media attention and money, owning the libs is the only game in town and the bigger and more offensive the lie, the more they advance past their competitors. AdLib 13 hours ago

They would be okay with having a house fire…as long as their transgender Muslim neighbor’s house burned completely to the ground Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Well, in my view, the most-punchable face in America right now belongs to Fucker Carlson. Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Ad, I fully buy into your explanation of the right wing talking heads….Well, friends….I cannot believe that I am still awake given the hour…..thanks for the stimulating discussion. MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

you going, Murph? Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

Thanks for the birthday cake Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

A fond farewell. Murph MurphTheSurf3 13 hours ago

TW – Yes, this is an old game. The GOP is about causing the most suffering and hatred they can among their voters then pointing at Dems as the cause. A simple game that shouldn’t work but really does. AdLib 13 hours ago

Ad, I get it’s all about the money for them. But at some point it’s going blow up in their face. twilson117 13 hours ago

Seeya Murph! Have a great weekend! AdLib 13 hours ago

Muph take care. twilson117 13 hours ago

WHEN will it finally blow up in their faces? Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

You’re welcome for the cake, Angela, I pasted it myself. AdLib 13 hours ago

I been waiting decades for it to blow up in their faces, and it never seems to Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

AB I think sooner than they expect. twilson117 13 hours ago

TW – Yes, it will all blow up in their faces when criminal acts of violence are tied to their lies like 1/6 and when the public becomes so distrustful and disgusted with them and the GOP that they can’t win even slanted elections anymore. AdLib 13 hours ago

But it’s going to be a painful process for the rest of us. twilson117 13 hours ago

It;s already been painful….whatchoo taalkin bout Angela Bridgman 13 hours ago

What needs to happen is a protection of voting and the destruction of Trump. Without their charismatic leader, a cult movement fails. AdLib 13 hours ago