Vox Populi – 11-22-2019

Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then! AdLib 6 hours ago

Hi, Ad! pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Hey PPO! AdLib 4 hours ago

How are things your way? AdLib 4 hours ago

all quiet here. No fires close, TG. Grinning at Devin Nunes being fingered. Karma’s a cow! pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Good to hear about the fires! They’re out here in CA but it’s been crazy out your way. AdLib 4 hours ago

I will dream about Nunes being removed from The House then prosecuted for conspiring with a criminal. AdLib 4 hours ago

I wonder will the smoke ever clear from the eyes of the deniers. What will it take to convince them, I wonder. A sudden lack of potable water might do it. pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

That is one smoldering fire that never seems to be extinguished. AdLib 4 hours ago

Will Nunes step away from being the Wank–er Ranking Member pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Heh! AdLib 4 hours ago

Wanking Member Nunes! AdLib 4 hours ago

Hey Murph! AdLib 4 hours ago

Murph! pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Hi…What’s this about Nunes. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Two different sources, one a former Nunes aide and Parnas are willing to testify about Nunes working and traveling with Parnas to manufacture the same dirt on Biden in 2018. AdLib 4 hours ago

So he may be forced off the panel. pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Huge kudos to Schiff. What a master of his space is he. pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

PPO – I hope the Dems don’t clutch their pearls at this and let it slide, they need to remove him from the committee and investigate him through the Ethics panel. AdLib 4 hours ago

Ad, I hope the Dem ran k and file insist they oust him pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Grand. I knew some of that but there have been developments I was not aware of. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Yes, Schiff was remarkablle, especially his speeches that ended each hearing. And he was so cool and measured as the Repubs first tried to cause havoc then gave up after the first two days when they saw it wasn’t working. AdLib 4 hours ago

I loved the look on Nunes and the lawyers faces during the testimonies. Priceless ‘we’re so fucked’ expressions pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Maybe Nunes and Jordan could be a sort of tag team in a grudge wrestling league. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

PPO – Same here, Dems should be outraged that Nunes trashed the impeachment hearings day after day while hiding that he was a conspirator with Trump and Parnas in the very crime that was being investigated. AdLib 4 hours ago

murph – in mud! pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Very fitting. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

PPO – When Eric Swalwell nailed Nunes for this revelation, Nunes looked like a 5 year old caught stealing money from his mom, head bowed, eyes down, avoiding all eye contact and a full view of his face by cameras. AdLib 4 hours ago

Ad, can I steal that as a tweet? pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Side note….do we know anything re. Glenn…missing her. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Only affirms that in their hearts, all Repubs are fine with crimes as long as they are helpful. AdLib 4 hours ago

PPO – All yours! AdLib 4 hours ago

Merci buckets! pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Murph – Haven’t heard anything from glenn, will follow up with her. She is very missed when she’s not here…as are both of you! AdLib 4 hours ago

Gee, No me surely. I’m a pimple on your vast….. on second thoughts! pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Jordan needs to have an ethcs investigation on him for ignoring warnings about sexual assaults on the HS boys he was in charge of. AdLib 4 hours ago

PPO – That level of humility is too far a reach for any of us! AdLib 4 hours ago

So Mike Pompeo is trying to skip on the bill and run for Senate in KS but he’s being muddied up big time. AdLib 4 hours ago

There was another news item about Pompeo, bad news for him, need to find it. AdLib 4 hours ago

Ad, actually, why is Jordan there at all? Surely the allegations should be enough to DQ him? pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Will Bolton be of any use? pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

And here we are, after public impeachment hearings and Trump is weary and worn down along with his usual con jobs. As we’ve discussed before, the public hearings have really damaged Trump and his ability to successfully lie to the country…though his cultists would believe he’s the product of a virgin birth if he says so. AdLib 4 hours ago

PPO – In any normal, uncorrupted system, Jordan would be censured and removed from committees for the horrible things he’s done and the many young men he neglected to protect, had to suffer from. AdLib 4 hours ago

I often wonder how the mannekins on Fox can bear listening to the rambling crap spewing from Its mouth pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

A leopard can’t change its spots and a weasel can’t change his weaseldom. Bolton is a selfish, greedy, unprincipled hack and I’m not holding my breath for him to testify to Congress. He wants to peotect his book deal and the GOP. He is not a hero, he is a greedy coward. AdLib 4 hours ago

So right, Ad. And how can anyone be sucked into believing he will release his financials and really welcome a Senate trial? pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Bolton is yet another shill. Not believable. pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

This morning, the Fox and Friends crew pushed back on Trump after he called in! Even on his Crowdstrike conspiracy theory! AdLib 4 hours ago

They did? Wow! I don’t have and never had Fox, so I’ll take your word on it. I do note that it was only AFTER his call, not during! pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

PPO – Trump however, is about to find out if his financials and those of his companies and kids can be released and I have a hard time seeing Roberts agreeing with him on preventing Congress from having its Constitutional power. Because the SCOTUS will be next. AdLib 4 hours ago

PPO – It was spread on Twitter, the video of FAF questioning his accusation about the Dems giving their server to Crowdstrike in Ukraine…especially when they’re an American company in Silicon Valley. AdLib 4 hours ago

You there Murph? AdLib 4 hours ago

I am here. Just reading along. Very tired. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Ad, I do hold a hope, faint though it may be, that the SCOTUS will rule for the USA, and not trump. pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

All good, Murph. AdLib 4 hours ago

PPO – As do I. Hard to see Roberts kill the Constitutional rights of a branch of government. That would only justify a Dem Congress on president enlarging the SCOTUS to save it from destroying our democracy. AdLib 4 hours ago

I keep wondering what role SCOTUS will play in all this. Roberts has to be worried. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Murph – Yes, it will put Roberts in a tough position but he knows how historic this period is and how he will go down in history for either being a hero of our democracy or an enemy. And out of the 5 Repubs on the SCOTUS, I think he cares. AdLib 4 hours ago

Murph, right. And Kavanaugh, he must be wearing brown undepants pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

I don’t know that Kavanaugh is so worried, he’s an ideologue, I would imagine he’s anxious to help Trump however he can, at the expense of our democracy and The Constitution. AdLib 4 hours ago

I do think that all of this will stain Repub Senators too, as they try to cover up Trump’s crimes, causing the odds of a Dem takeover of the Senate to go up. AdLib 4 hours ago

Ad, if it were proven that K got his post illegally, can he still be removed? pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Does Roberts want to be the 21st century Taney? MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

PPO He would have to be impeached. Grrrrrrr. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

PPO – Kavanaugh needs to be investigated for impeachment by The House and when they prove he lied to them to get onto the SCOTUS, he can be impeached. AdLib 4 hours ago

Ad, I feel that the once ‘rank and file’ Repub senators must be cursing the day McConnell started the shambles with the Tea Party and blocking Obama pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

But ad…impeached to what end….to be vindicated by the Senate. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Murph – I don’t like Roberts but based on some of his decisions that stopped right at the line of breaking the SCOTUS, I do think it’s very possible he won’t immolate the SCOTUS with a horrible, unconstitutional decision. I think he cares about his legacy, unlike the 4 other Repubs on the court. AdLib 4 hours ago

Murph, by the time it might happen, the Senate might have a totally different look….. hopefully! pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

That would take a Tsunami in 2020. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

PPO – If Repubs actually can think that far back. They seem far more like dumb, conformist animals, just acting on impulse to follow the Alpha Dog in the pack and cowering before him. They should be made to regret it all by being crushed in 2020. AdLib 4 hours ago

I just want to see handcuffs and perp walks. Is that too much to hope for? pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Murph – I mean in a 2021 impeachment, with a majority of Dems in Congress and the WH. I know they wouldn’t have a 2/3 majority in the Senate but I think Repubs could be beaten down by their rep of protecting criminals by then. AdLib 4 hours ago

The behavior of the GOP in all of this really is that of pack animals who follow the Alpha blindly. It boggles the mind as it is so irrational and so short sighted. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Can you imaogine how terrified Trump, his corrupt kids and cabinet cronies will be if they see they are definitely going to lose in 2020? A Dem AG will be able to lock them all up. AdLib 4 hours ago

Stop it, Ad! I’m drooling! pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Ad….the GOP have a structural advantage that gives them great advantages even as their place in earned leadership washes away. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Murph – Exactly, pack animals that are submissive to the Alpha Dog. The only priority is to please the Alpha Dog at any cost. AdLib 4 hours ago

So right, unfortunately, Murph. Bu no Elected Republican can dare try to take moral high ground ever again. A new Party needs to be formed. pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Packs follow Alpha because they lead them to prey upon which they can feed. The analogy works. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Murph – However, imagine a 2021 where the GOP has been crushed, Trump has been destroyed and is being criminally prosecuted and the GOP is collapsing into a weak, minority party. They may have to face that continuing down the obstructive path is a dead end as Dem’s majority gets bigger and states like TX and GA go Dem. AdLib 4 hours ago

Sadly I live in a red state near a blue state with a strong streak of red in the southern half….blind followership is rewarded in the pack .They seem incapable of adjusting their world view despite the reality that keeps slamming into them. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Murph, wait for the campaign ads! So much ammo! pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

The GOP used to be the party of the Wise Brahmins and now it is the party of the mindless mob. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

PPO – Agreed, Trump and the cowardly Repubs are staining themselves in the minds of the American people and if they are indeed crushed in 2020, they will be the outcast and long term minority party until or unless they give up on who they’ve been. AdLib 4 hours ago

Murph – Yep! And the irony is that Trump hates dogs but has a party that acts like the worst part of dogs. AdLib 4 hours ago

Ad, maybe Shark and remoras are apt, then pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Breaking news…..released by Dept of State….hot stuff….court ordered but very incriminating. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Documents show a direct connection between Giuliani, Pompeo with the Oval Office coordinating. Holy Shit…..Ethics Watchdog got it when Congress could not. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Murph – Hate to say it but I’m not expecting any big changes in MO and other deep red states for a long time. But marginally red states, where minority populations are growing fast, as in TX and GA, can shift the balance of power far away from the GOP. Their only option would be to give up their racist, destructive ways. Or be a permanent minority party. AdLib 4 hours ago

Pompeo is in deep doo doo, thanks to Fiona Hill, great evidence pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

FOIA suit won MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

PPO – How about lemmings? AdLib 4 hours ago

Ad…not that long ago Mo was purple with red and blue counties. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Too cuddly and seemingly no leader, just the rear mobing the front! pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Murph – Coordinatng with Giuliani and manufacturing dirt for dollars in Ukraine? AdLib 4 hours ago

Murph – What turned MO so red? AdLib 4 hours ago

American Oversight is going after documents in a dozen settings including the one you just noted Ad MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Ad…the move to red was an orchestrated one that followed the Nixon Southern Strategy. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Lindsay Graham : epitome of arrogance and superiority. Tosser! pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Another factor was that the Dems like the GOP had far more diversity in past and a broader spectrum in its ideology…as that has narrowed the Balkanization of the states grew. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

The GOP is compromised. The NRA money from Russia that’s infected them, the hacked RNC server with info that’s never surfaced, the GOP is being extorted by Russia. It sounds like one of their conspiracy theories but what else expalins the mass insanity (and Lindsey Graham)? AdLib 4 hours ago

Murph – So it was post-Nixon/Southern Strategy when MO became bright red? That makes sense, same thing happened in many southern states at that time. Thanks to things like the VRA and CRA Johnson signed into law. AdLib 4 hours ago

As I am monitoring this release of documents it is clear that the Admin did not have a plan to foil FOIA requests and that info requested by Congress that was blocked is being released through another channel. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Ad, they’ve simply lost the plot. they’re so invested in trump that they’ve dug a hole so deep, even the biggest cannot get out. They see extinction on the horizon (In many ways!) and are fighting to stay in power and stay relevant. pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Mo did not complete is turning away from the Dems until the last five years but the pattern was clear 20 years ago. MurphTheSurf3 4 hours ago

Great, news, Murph. Now, can the Committee see those docs ? pinkpantheroz 4 hours ago

Murph – But the future of the US that Trump is trying to but can’t prevent, is an America where the Trump voters who are white racists will be the minority as PoC become the majority. Then, the GOP will be as obsoete as the Whigs and will need to change or remain the minority party of hateful racists. AdLib 4 hours ago

And remember, the redistricting in 2021 will fix a lot of inequity in representation that the Repubs have used to rule the majority as a minority. Dems will thrive after that in many states and around the country (but not as much in the deep red states that remain gerrymandered). AdLib 3 hours ago

The documents are now public and are available on line….American Oversight.org MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Well, chaps, gotta depart to the shops. Great chat. see you next week. Let us know how glenn is doing. How is Kalima these days? pinkpantheroz 3 hours ago

Thanks PPO…good chat tonight….. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Ad…I believe your long term vision is likely on the mark… MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

I too am off….going to bed….exhausted. MurphTheSurf3 3 hours ago

Murph – This is such great news! It seems like The Man in the High Castle is crumbling. As more info gets out through FOIA requests and hopefully, court rulings forcing Trump to hand over documents and testimony of his cronies, so much more could come out indicting him. AdLib 3 hours ago