Vox Populi – 08-24-2018

Hey Ad and PPO…..not bad……love the theme……the only thing is that Flipper is likely to be insulted by the connection.

MurphTheSurf3

Hey there PPO.

MurphTheSurf3

hi all! Sad for McCain.

pinkpantheroz

PPO….he fought the good fight…..

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…true…snakes in the grass.

MurphTheSurf3

What is in that safe must be terrifying PapayaPuss!

pinkpantheroz

True, Murph, Disliked his politics, but he wasn’t the worst.

pinkpantheroz

Do you think the safe is in safe keeping…or is it swimming with the fishes?

MurphTheSurf3

Murph…. Mueller has it, or there wouldn’t have been a blanket immunity deal. Nuclear info!

pinkpantheroz

Ad…..I rather liked him and very much disliked his politics…every now and then as in McCain-Feingold campaign reform and in principled stands he would shine.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO….Mueller has it! how interesting.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, Trump is so poisonous, that more of the same may not be enough to put him away. Overwhelmed by his evil

pinkpantheroz

Ad…that is what I presumed but PPO brings up an interesting scenario…Mueller already has it in exchange for the immunity.

MurphTheSurf3

Hi Glenn

MurphTheSurf3

Murh, that’s how I read Huffposts article

pinkpantheroz

PPO…hmmmm….I need to look at that.

MurphTheSurf3

Evenin’, gents. PPO, my condolences on the passing of your mom. May your happy memories sustain you in this difficult time.

glenn

Hi, Murph, Ad.

glenn

Ad.. accept your thumbnail sketch of McCain…..esp. in re. to Palin…he was willing to foist her on us as his VP…a man whose health has long been on the edge.

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn, Thank you and hi. Yes, been busy organising the funeral in Dublin. Sad, but a release from the cruelty of dementia she had for 15 years.

pinkpantheroz

PPO…I did not know…..condolences and hope that peace is both hers and yours.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–I think McCain’s shining moment was when he shut down that woman who called President Obama a muslim, and said she didn’t trust him. McCain’s answer to her was one of the most statesmanlike things I’ve ever heard.

glenn

Ad. AD = Non Disclosures?

MurphTheSurf3

Thank you Murph. ‘Little Eileen Marmion’ Star of the Variety stage 1930-1940. Lots of memories

pinkpantheroz

Clarification–he wasn’t President Obama then, just McCain’s opponent in the race for president.

glenn

True, Ad, but can he kill himself, or hjust shake off the poison and go on?

pinkpantheroz

PPO–Will you be attending the funeral?

glenn

PPO….found a reference to her at

MurphTheSurf3

glenn, unfortunately not. Eye injection stops me travelling in pressurized aircraft for 2 weeks

pinkpantheroz

PPO…it is a nice write up at the facebook page with photos.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–good question about the NDA’s. Except I don’t think it really matters. Let the lying bully try to sue them if they violate their NDA’s. Then he has to go to court and face disclosure. Never going to happen, IMO.

glenn

PPO–I’m sure you will be there in spirit, and remember her in your own way on that day.

glenn

Ad…I agree…..his position on war as an effective tool was particularly disturbing given his personal experience.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph, Ad. Yes. I don’t do FB, but a pal of mine put it in.

pinkpantheroz

I have a question about indicting a sitting president. If the crimes of the sitting president were committed before he became president, why shouldn’t he be indicted? Does winning the presidency absolve him of crimes?

glenn

Friends will connect me via Skype to the service on Tuesday.

pinkpantheroz

Thnak you, Ad. It’s a bit mixed right now. Busy, sorry, sad, relieved she is finally at peace. Emotions all over the place

pinkpantheroz

PPO–Modern technology can be so wonderful at times.

glenn

PPO…understandable- glad you can be there in spirit and via tech.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO–Understandable about your emotions. It’s best to let them go where they may; they will help you through the process.

glenn

Glenn…..the issue of indicting is all about activity that would incapacitate a president. The theory is that such prosecution would so harm the operation of government that the nation would be endangered. It also exists, as a principle, based on the belief that such prosecution would quite possibly stem from malicious political behavior by opposing forces.

MurphTheSurf3

Good news from OZ. The Prime Minister, who was trying to do Trump impersonations with Tax cuts for the Rich and cutting back on social programs, has been toppled. And the new PM is not the anointed cretin they wanted, but the 3rd pick! End of Liberal National Party?( Our GOP) Hopefully!

pinkpantheroz

PPO….and in that short paragraph you illustrate why I regard our entire structure as fundamentally flawed……you have the means to hold your governments accountable and the way to remedy things when they are not.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, does Trump have enough money to pursue shaky NDAs? Dare he go after someone, where discovery applications could unlock his Tax Returns?

pinkpantheroz

Murph–That theory of the prosecution so harming our government is so not applicable in the lying bully’s case. Our government is already in chaos. The lying bully should be removed from office first with the 25th amendment. As I understand it, the vp, and other high government officials can petition the Senate to remove him from office. I know it’s a little more complicated than that, but if the lying bully is so unable to perform his duties because of the indictment, then he should be removed under the 25th amendment. I don’t think any republicans have the gonads to even bring it up, but it does give them another path other than impeachment.

glenn

Murph…once again, we agree…McCain had a real nobility about him but the banners he often flew were not worthy ones.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–Perhaps you’re correct about those who signed NDA’s. I hope they see the lying bully as wounded, because he certainly is, and they take their chances. Hard to predict, I know, and I don’t know how brave I’d be, either, if I were in their shoes.

glenn

Murph: The US has the ability to remove the President for incompetence, but chooses not to use it. Our GOP DID use it. They themselves caused the spill and election – within their own Party – to change their leader. They could see the writing on the wall about the upcoming General Election.

pinkpantheroz

Glenn…..your counter is a strong one and there is room for exceptional circumstances in some of the opinions on this. As to the 25th. The VP and 50 percent of the Cabinet can temporarily remove a Pres who has the right to challenge the removal.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO…how does the U.Sl have ability to remove a president for incompetence.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO–Read about your government shake up today. And, I agree with Murph; we need a way to remedy things with the person we now have sitting in the oval office. PPO, who initiates the steps to topple your PM? Is it the PM’s own party or the opposition?

glenn

PPO–As I was typing my response to you and Murph, you answered my question. Murph, PPO is correct in that we do have the means to oust the lying bully through the 25th amendment. The problem in the US right now is that the ruling party, the republicans, have chosen the lying bully over their country.

glenn

Murph…. hasn’t he proven comprehensibly an inability to correctly carry out the Duties of POTUS?

pinkpantheroz

Ad….a friend, a gerontologist, often reminds me that he sees how modern medicine so often keeps those alive for whom life is nothing but a sad burden.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–exactly. We have nothing to lose if the 25th is invoked. Also Pence would only be “acting president”, and perhaps, with a new Dem majority in at least one house of Congress, there would be much more checks and balances from Congress.

glenn

ad. I think that the GOP will stick by him in the Senate until there is real erosion in the base.

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn….Pence would be President if the Congress endorsed the President’s removal.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, Turnbull (ex-PM) ran a Parliament which was 50/50. He undertook that if he was defeated, he will quit Parliament and politics altogether. This leaves it a Minority Government and the Opposition Labor Party can challenge the Governor to call an election, or let Labor take over government. All fluid right now.

pinkpantheroz

Murph and Ad–At this point, I’d really rather not see the lying bully impeached. I’d like to see him indicted, removed from office by the 25th, and put on trial for his crimes. I’m a little worried that impeachment will just fire up his base even more. Not sure how rabid his base will become if he’s impeached. If he’s removed by the 25th, the base will turn on all republicans who “supported” the 25th, but that’s a win-win in my book. Of course, that’s an “ideal” scenario in my book, and I don’t think it’s ever going to happen with the political climate nowadays, and the cowardice of the republicans in office.

glenn

just read in Twitter that Vice President Pence Now Being Investigated For Campaign Fraud, His Ties To Russia And Manafort….. Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk!

pinkpantheroz

Ad–I agree. The lazy ass fraud (good name, BTW) isn’t doing anything “presidential” anyway.

glenn

Glenn…you actually lay out why the GOP will not invoke the 25th …..fear of the base…..

MurphTheSurf3

PPO – where did you see the Pence story.

MurphTheSurf3

Catch 22 for the GOP, Murph. Impeach/Indict Trump…. Lose Votes. Suck up to Trump….. Lose Votes!

pinkpantheroz

Ad….absolutely……quality of life for all involved suffers.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–I understand that Pence would be president if the 25th is invoked successfully. However, it seems likely that we are going to get a Dem majority in at least the House, so I believe with that scenario, there would be a much better “checks and balances” brake on Pence.

glenn

Glenn…I agree….there would be checks on him in such a case.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–It’s true, the fear of the base is what’s driving repubs these days. I just don’t understand it, though. But for the past 30 plus years, the repubs have been able to convince their base of anything they want to convince them of, and I truly believe that if they started telling the base how much better off they’d be with the lying bully gone, the base would follow like the lemmings they are. They are very good at convincing the base that up is down, black is white, wrong is right, so they just need to work a little harder.

glenn

Ad….they go down either way do they not IF the rest of the electorate raises to the cause.

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn….the base has been co-opted by Trump….the GOP is now HIS…and that means that they have too little leverage to challenge him.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, yes. I’m not that au fait with politics here, but that’s how I’m reading the pundits.

pinkpantheroz

Ad–I agree, I don’t think Pence or 50% of the lying bully’s cabinet has the gonads to invoke the 25th, but a girl can dream, can’t she? As for the prosecution of the lying bully on Jan. 3, 2021, I’m not sure if the statute (?) of limitations would kick in. IOW, would his crimes no longer be able to be prosecuted?

glenn

Ad–so you think the lying bully will be impeached, but not convicted, a la Clinton?

glenn

Ad, I did consider Pelosi….of course that would be a dream target for the GOP

MurphTheSurf3

Ohhhhh Mammy! Wouldn’t that be a kick in the head?

pinkpantheroz

Ad–wouldn’t it be President Ryan? He’s the speaker of the house, not Pelosi.

glenn

Murph–I agree that the lying bully now has control of the base, but I was trying to make the point (not so well, it seems) that other repubs, if they stood up to the lying bully, and pointed out how he’s not really a republican, doesn’t follow republican “values”, is too mired in scandals to do his job properly, that they could convince a large part of the base to abandon the lying bully. I read somewhere today, in a comparison of Nixon and the lying bully, that Nixon had 23% support of the electorate even on the day he resigned. So, maybe repubs will never move the lying bully’s base.

glenn

Well, friends ….. heading off to bed….. nice chatting……rally tomorrow for my beleaguered Sen. Claire

MurphTheSurf3

‘Night Murph. Take care. Keep l\kicking those farmers!

pinkpantheroz

Nite Ad, Glenn, PPO!!!

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–It’s true. The lying bully’s cult members will never abandon him. There was a video on the Hill today, where two repub strategists were talking about the lying bully’s loss of support from college-educated women. One of them was saying how his support among that group had gone way down! However, the other strategist pointed out that he didn’t think that group would abandon their support for other repub candidates, such as senators and HOR members. So, the lying bully may lose their support, but not necessarily other republicans. Which, now that I write that, is another reason for repubs to start firing up the base to abandon the lying bully.

glenn

‘Nite Murph.

glenn

Ad–You’re probably correct. I’d just like to see someone who is able to actually do something about the lying bully, actually do something. All the retired congressmen, Senators, generals, etc. can talk all they want about how horrible the lying bully is, but it’s only Congress who can actually DO anything.

glenn

Ad–Yeah, I hope the lying bully is tainting every republican with his toxic presidency. I am more hopeful nowadays, especially given this week’s news, that Dems will be able to at least take the House back.

glenn

Ad–agreed. It will take a while to stop the madness even when the lunatic causing it is taken down. With that being said, my next sentence is good night. We live in interesting times, but I have to get some rest. G’night PPO. My thoughts are with you.

glenn

Sorry, folks, got to go.. UP half my night with funeral stuff. Take care.

pinkpantheroz

Thanks to all at POV for your kind thooughts.

pinkpantheroz

‘NIte PPO. ‘Nite, Ad.

glenn

pinkpantheroz