Vox Populi – 10-20-2017

Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT Hope to see you then!

AdLib 7 days ago

Hey PPO!

AdLib 7 days ago

Don’t forget to say “Hi!” or “General Untruth” when you arrive!

AdLib 7 days ago

What’s up PPO?

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Colonel of Untruth.

AdLib 7 days ago

Didn’t Kelly just blow up any credibility? An out an out and nasty liar.

AdLib 7 days ago

Is your vision still doing okay?

AdLib 7 days ago

PR is sadly similar to New Orleans in Katrina but worse because they are easily ignored and unaware because only 12% of the country has power for cell phones and internet.

AdLib 7 days ago

That’s great to hear!

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Hoow is Fergie doing?

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They’ve knocked them down for the most part but the devastation is incredible.

AdLib 7 days ago

So important to keep that sense of humor healthy!

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That’s a lot to manage, glad she’s so strong in dealing with it.

AdLib 7 days ago

I see Trump is declining in his base support now. And with a massive Medicare cut in the new tax cut bill, I think it may finally collapse on him.

AdLib 7 days ago

Yes, as how we got stuck with Trump here, the religious and ignorant are terrified of change and cling to concepts that are archaic. Same Sex Marriage and being an independent country are “change” to live in the modern day, which really scares these types.

AdLib 7 days ago

Yep, we have a holiday celebrating our breakup with George.

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PPO – Read an article titled something like, “A Liberal is Just a Coonservative Whose Home Has Flooded”, talking about how these Trump supporters are starting to question if Climate Change might be true and is a danger to them. Only when reality threatens or harms them, do such dimwits see a glimpse of reality.

AdLib 7 days ago

Like the Repubs like Dick Cheney who opposed Same Sex Marriage until their own kid comes out.

AdLib 7 days ago

Oh, yeah, very familiar, same terrorist tactics the religious right used in the US, identical!

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“The Other is evil and needs to be stopped! What? My daughter is an ‘other’? Oh, then ‘others’ should be treated with respect!”

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PPO – Saves money to just steal from ther RWNJ. And look how well it worked here in the US!

AdLib 7 days ago

Hey Murph!

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PPO – I think we’re still quite a ways off from Mueller concluding his investigation. But the good news is that the indictments could come out in the midst of the 2018 elections! Culd help us retake Congress!

AdLib 7 days ago

PPO – Sure is looking like Niger may be what Benghazi was supposed to be. And the WH won’t confirm or deny if Trump ordered the mission. Add to that, Maddow is running with stories saying that Trump’s inclusion of Chad on the blocked travel list may have caused Chad to pull out of Niger where they were suppressing terrorists.

AdLib 7 days ago

PPO – Individually, Dems will do well but the DNC is all screwed up with establishment/Clinton Dems now purging Progressive Dems from positions of power. They can really screw everything up next year by dividing the party and making it less and less inclusive.

AdLib 7 days ago

PPO – Yep, she does go too far sometimes, many complaints that she may have done so this time but I am glad to see the focus returning to what actually happened in Niger.

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Murph – I wouldn’t bet on it necessarily being the way things were though I like the attempt to put the bigger puzzle together on what happened in Niger. What do you think?

AdLib 7 days ago

What is true is that Trump tried to ignore Niger for 10 days, saying nothing about it r the 4 soldiers killed and refusing too answer questions asking if he ordered the mission.

AdLib 7 days ago

I think this could turn out to be a real Benghazi-type story, why else is Trump trying to bury it?

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PPO – But if Trump says something, you know the opposite is true, that’s how we learn things.

AdLib 7 days ago

So Murph, do you think Dems will take the House in 2018? Another Repub House member is resigning!

AdLib 7 days ago

Will check it out, Murph! Congrats! And what’s going t happen if the huge cut to Medicare in the tax cut bill goes through???

AdLib 7 days ago

I don’t know about party unity, so much conflict and anger still going on between Hillary and Bernie supporters. Did you read about the recent purge of Progressives from exec positions in the DNC?

AdLib 7 days ago

I don’t disagree about the majority of voters being far less informed and skeptical than they should be but emotions can insulate people from propaganda. People genuinely dislike Trump and see him as a liar. So anything he “trumps” up can be “trumped” by most voters disliking and distrusting him.

AdLib 7 days ago

Murph – Principles seem quaint right now, Trump’s the final statement of the GOP’s attempt over decades to bring down democracy to its knees. If it can be only about fear and hate, they win. But, if they create that dynamic and they are the ones hated and causing fear, as you described in your article, it will be turned against them.

AdLib 7 days ago

Murph – I agree, Dem’s national leadership is screwed up right now, 2018 will be all about the mood of the country after 2 years of the madness of King Trump and I think that alne will be enough to drive voters of all demographics to vote Dem, even if it’s only to vote against Trump.

AdLib 7 days ago

Murph – Historically, midterm elections have almost always resulted in gains fr the party out of power because that is part of the American mentality. A big part of the reason Trump won was voter dissatisfaction with the status quo. Do you really think most Americans will vote for Trump’s status quo after losing or having their health care threatened, more wars being fought in more countries and more soldiers being killed, all thse promised manufacturing jobs not appearing, their paychecks not going as far as they used to and not rising? Dissatisfaction with Trump will be so high by 2018, don’t underestimate voters making their upset clear thrugh their vote.

AdLib 7 days ago

And don’t forget, the Mueller indictments will likely be out by mid 2018. That will also depress Repub turnout and energize Dem turnout.

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PPO – Congress is moving a bipartisan bill to force social media sites to disclose political advertisers. The American public is now better informed on Facebook and Twitter being tools for Russian trolls. Not saying they can’t still have an impact but the bigger impact is when people have no idea what is going, not when they know.

AdLib 7 days ago

PPO – I don’t think the Dems will have a strong national operation until there’s a Dem presidential nominee. The DNC is still an establishment self-benefiting organization, used to keep the status quo pols in place. Useless, in other words. But when there’s finally a new Dem leader, that can change.

AdLib 7 days ago

Murph – Look at the polls, it’s clear that many voters, especially indies, who voted for Trump, have turned against him and see all the campaign promises were cruel lies. You can’t have polling at 34% and have a majority who disapprove so strongly f him, that will just shrug and vote for him again. Won’t happen. Especially with Trump held up against a decent Dem candidate.

AdLib 7 days ago

Check this out:

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Murph – How will Trump make 60% of voters who dislike him today into supporters when everything he does or says turns them more against him?

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Murph – First off, you have a civil war that will poison GOP voters in the battle between Bannon and estab Repubs. That could result in an election where extremists who have to claim, “I am not a witch!” and threaten to use 2nd Amendment rights on Congress, run against sane Dems. Not t mention the mood f the cuntry growing more and more anti-Trump despite a satisfactory economy. What can he do to change that dynamic? I can’t imagine it.

AdLib 7 days ago

Damn my “o” key!

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Murph – First there was a phony meme about how Ivanka and Jared were on “our” side and would help to stop Trump from insanity. Then it was Kelly but that’s false tooo. Kelly agreed to work for Trump, he is on the same page as Trump. He is a terrible man, a liar and a phony. Now we know who Kelly is, we need to accept that.

AdLib 7 days ago

Murph – The hateful, mindless minority feel empowered by Trump’s election. But they are a minority and Trump only won by around 70,000 votes. He’s now underwater big time in most swing states. In red states though, the crazies feel empowered.

AdLib 7 days ago

Murph – It’s not so hopeless though it may feel that way right now (especially in a red state surrounded by people like you described). in 2018, Dems just need to win the House and Nate Silver has seen that as very possible. In 2020, they need to beat a human wrecking ball by just running a sane Dem. That done, SCOTUS judges on the right will be getting very old, will start leaving. It will take time but it can all start this Nov.

AdLib 7 days ago

Murph – They need to be hurting first. Having insurance taken away isn’t enough, not being able to pay bills for their medical care will change the minds of many.

AdLib 7 days ago

Another good article:

AdLib 7 days ago

Check out that 538 article that shows Trump declining in red states. Polls have shown that even many Repubs now hold Trump responsible for healthcare. Propaganda can’t overcome suffering, you can’t convince people they’re better off now than 4 years ago when they’re not.

AdLib 7 days ago

Trump owns everything now, only a portion of the minority that supports him will blame Obama after 2 years of Trump and an all Repub Congress.

AdLib 7 days ago

In fact, they’ve been talking about a corrolation between the topic of healthcare coming up and Trump’s numbers declining.

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Murph – The national polls generally were pretty close, Hillary did win by 3 million votes.

AdLib 7 days ago

Pretty much as predicted. The state polling may have been off but national numbers were pretty accurate.

AdLib 7 days ago

True but it does affirm that polling isn’t s messed up.

AdLib 7 days ago

How do you think polls were messed with? They’re conducted by a variety of different entities.

AdLib 7 days ago

Oh, you mean the vote results! Well, maybe in some states, combined with voter ID laws but they can only affect a smal percentage, they couldn’t pervert alandslide against Trump. I think that’s what’s on the way.

AdLib 7 days ago

Thankfully, PA has a Dem gov now.

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