Vox Populi – 9-8-2017

Here early. Will check back later.

MurphTheSurf3

I have a good friend who lives in the Keys. He left two days ago after packing up and sending away everything that is irreplaceable. He thinks that his home will be gone when he next sees the land on which it stands.

MurphTheSurf3

He has another home in NJ…where he taught for many years. That may return to being his year round home as I think he will sell his property for whatever he can get and stay away from Hurricane Alley.

MurphTheSurf3

Think about a place like this.

MurphTheSurf3

Or this:

MurphTheSurf3

I have seen the destruction on the Seaward Islands off of the Carolinas. It will be worse hear….exposed on all sides.

MurphTheSurf3

Hi, Ad, Murph

pinkpantheroz

Ad, this should be the best rationale for INCREASING the Taxes on the 1%

pinkpantheroz

Note how Trump has gone quiet. I think he has been told that his promise making will spell disaster for his admin (another one)

MurphTheSurf3

Rush now broadcasting from Canada?

pinkpantheroz

Hrleigh!

pinkpantheroz

Rush, Coulter and Trump properties all on the hit list…AND all three climate change deniers.

MurphTheSurf3

Hey folks!

Harleigh

Ge outta there!

pinkpantheroz

I have been impressed with Tom Bossert, the WH Assistant for Homeland Security. Smart fellow. Very balanced and apolitical.

MurphTheSurf3

I am exactly 5 miles west of Ft Laud beach and downtown

Harleigh

in your basement, I hope

pinkpantheroz

Harleigh are you in harm’s way?

MurphTheSurf3

BRB

MurphTheSurf3

PPO basements here don’t exist! Last advisory had irma on the other side of the state in Naples. yesterday it was in FTL. hope it keeps moving west

Harleigh

Got generator, oil, gas, propane, batteries, food water…. which don’t mean shit in a residential structure in a 185+mph sustained winds packing tornadoes

Harleigh

Hey everyone! Hope you’re safe – Harleigh are you OK???

choicelady

Hey, CL!

pinkpantheroz

OH Yeah!!! So far and it’s looking better

Harleigh

Hey PPO -good to see you, and Ad and Murph!

choicelady

Harleigh – please stay safe. If they tell you to bug out, BUG OUT!!!

choicelady

I know. My friends’ parents are almost to Ohio thank goodness. They live in Tampa that now is under the gun.

choicelady

all roads out are parking lots. when irma hits them there they are so….. how you say in duhmurikkka…. fucked.

Harleigh

Word from engineers is – keep ALL doors to ALL rooms closed. Even if windows break, do NOT open the door – it keeps the winds from funneling into the house and lifting the roof.

choicelady

I worry about those who CANNOT leave. Not so much about the skeptics. That’s a choice. The poor don’t HAVE choices.

choicelady

Harleigh – yup. Fucked is the operative word.

choicelady

The keys are gonna take a hit where irma crosses US1 since that is their water and electricity…. on 100 miles of pylon bridges. LOL

Harleigh

Ad – I know. That’s one of those ‘life lessons’ you don’t ever want to need.

choicelady

Has anyone else any rels down that way?

pinkpantheroz

Harleigh – despite the obvious I have no idea where Mar a Lago is. Can we arrange for the worst to be focused THERE but nowhere else?

choicelady

I know a couple of people – LGBT folks in South Beach – but not well enough to contact them.

choicelady

CL only in our dreams baby!

Harleigh

Ad – I read that three TEXAS Congressmen voted NO on help for Houston. What fresh hell is THAT?

choicelady

Harleigh – keep dreamin’ babe – keep dreaming!

choicelady

See where Trump panders to religious right asking for funds to go to cheurches that helped in Harvey. Bad response!

pinkpantheroz

Choice Lady…how you be….?

MurphTheSurf3

PPO – I will lay odds that is for Osteen and NOT for the mosques, the Methodists, the synagogues. Betcha!

choicelady

Osteen did jack shit.

choicelady

Hey Murph – I’m OK. How be you?

choicelady

Tax money for non-tax paying instirutions who are SJPPOSED to help? I don’t think so

pinkpantheroz

PPO – Osteen had a million excuses for not helping. So he gets a million NON Dollars for that.

choicelady

Anyone know how Trumps pad on St. Maartin went?

pinkpantheroz

PPO – his St Maartin house was DESTROYED. Same with Branson. I mourn Branson’s loss, not Trump’s.

choicelady

Anyone heard from the islands totally decimated? I’ve heard NO figures on loss of life.

choicelady

Same here, cl. thanks.

pinkpantheroz

Ad – I hope everyone remembers this in 2018. They should be voted out then ridden out of town on a rail!!! Not into tar and feathring – that’s lethal – but maybe honey and feathering.

choicelady

Mar a lago is 70 miles north of miami by West Palm Beach. Ft Lauderdale is between them in the middle. LOL

Harleigh

Well, HArleigh I won’t wish destruction on MAL if it hurts YOU.

choicelady

H, that means Storm Surge 5-10 feet should dampoen the Mar a Lago carpets a bit!

pinkpantheroz

Ad – I know. The photos are shocking. We are facing “The Day After Tomorrow” in our lifetime.

choicelady

I was in Homestead after Andrew. whoa doggies…. nothing standing.

Harleigh

PPO – I want MAL raized to the ground. But hey – that’s just me. And I want NO ONE ELSE to suffer in the blast.

choicelady

Harleigh – I remember. Horrid.

choicelady

I am back….just scanned all of the posts since I stepped away. I thought I would call my friend who had his major home in the Keys. He is back in NJ now. He had a moving company come to his house and remove everything that he cannot replace. This was his writing retreat so lots of books, lots of paper, his computers, and many mementos plus some wonderful paintings…..the rest, replaceable. He did have the whole place closed up and Choice’s advice regarding keeping all doors closed is back up by him. He went a step further and has long rods holding inner shutters closed. He has been there for other storms, including one hurricane and he has done a lot to storm proof the house but he remains very pessimistic.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – same here, but NOT if it harms Harleigh.

choicelady

Coulter, Limbaugh and Trump all have big property there and all are climate deniers.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – WOW – I’m glad he’s OUT and is doing all he can to protect his home, but – OMG to HAVE to do that…!!!

choicelady

Murph, Wow! Lucky he can afford it.

pinkpantheroz

Murph – Limbaugh is OUT – despite saying this is a hoax – he’s fucking OUT.

choicelady

cl I thinnk he’s in Canada!

pinkpantheroz

CL….smart guy but he has the money to do what he did.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO SERIOUSLY? Rush went to Canada? Surprise is they let him IN.

choicelady

CL Coulter has bailed as well and Trump is in the WH (in charge! HaH)

MurphTheSurf3

ANyone know why 3 Texas Senators voted AGAINST Harvey funds?

pinkpantheroz

cl, nah, but somewhere well away from danger!

pinkpantheroz

limpbag etc are all in Palm Beach county. He was ranting irma is a hoax and they evacuated!!! ya can’t make it up….

Harleigh

CL….my friend acted very early. And now Jose is on the way. This is single most active hurricane period in history.

MurphTheSurf3

I have friends who were on a catamaran off Antigua. When they heard the projection, they set sail to Martinique and the sheltered harbor used by pirates of the Caribbean. They weathered it find, did night sails to get there, and tonight are in Montreal, safe. I’m overjoyed they are OK – but we ALL fear for those left behind.

choicelady

PPO – the three TEXAS Congress people are assholes that’s why.

choicelady

Sorry, Congress

pinkpantheroz

PPO- they belong to the so called “Freedom Caucus” and were voting against the Debt Ceiling and Continuing Budget Resolution deal that Trump made with Pelosi and Schumer.

MurphTheSurf3

My friend’s parents, your friend – wise. They need to stay put until, oh, Christmas!!!

choicelady

Murph – when ideology overwhelms concern for your constitutents, you are certifiably an asshole.

choicelady

Murph, cl, you can’t legislate Stup… never mind Sigh

pinkpantheroz

PPO – Of course CL has a less political explanation than I do but it is undoubted true.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO – you can’t FIX stupid. Got it.

choicelady

CL…..not arguing with you.

MurphTheSurf3

BRB Fergie calls!

pinkpantheroz

Murph – there’s something wrong with the GOP extremists. I cannot tolerate that!

choicelady

Ad – LOL – yes – perfect image!

choicelady

Irma moving South to North – with the West Side getting the worst….that is how it looks…and the worst will be very much worse than previous experiences.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – with Tampa on the West, my friend’s parents made the right decision. Do not know if they will have a home to return to.

choicelady

Ad – so am I!!!

choicelady

Water off the coasts of Florida are 84 to 88 degrees….bath water…fuel for hurricanes.

MurphTheSurf3

CL. I was born in tampa and have a beautiful painting of the shore line of Tampa Bay in 1950 in my home.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I dated a guy (OK he turned out to be a major asshole, but hey) who worked for Scripps Institute back in 1965. He wrote to me then, that they were detecting ocean warming that was dangerous. That was 52 YEARS ago (I was very young of course) and no one paid attention until Al Gore.

choicelady

Oh Murph – I hope that doesn’t become the lingering memory of what Tampa was!!!

choicelady

Ad – yes they will. I cannot help but wish they experience destruction first hand to know how ideology never overwhelms reality.

choicelady

Ad – that is so scary!

choicelady

CL…I share you reaction to all of this. My friend loves the Keys. I love Miami and Tampa. I have seen the same things in Miami that you have…flooding as a regular part of life in the rain and in the sunlight.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – we may see ALL costal areas having to relocate. it’s mind boggling – unless Ad Lib’s idea comes to fruition. He said you all talked about it last week.

choicelady

CL….yes…a great discussion…I have encourage Ad to turn it into a real think piece and publish it.

MurphTheSurf3

Right now I’m in agony over the fires in Columbia River Gore, my most FAVE place in the world. Unthinkable destruction from teens throwing fire crackers into the dry foliage and laughing about it. Heartbroken!

choicelady

Word from Miami…last flight left from MIA a few minutes ago. None until the hurricane is no longer a threat.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I’m with you on Ad Lib’s moving this forward.

choicelady

OMG – last flight!!!

choicelady

Choice…I wondered about the Gorge. You have mentioned this before.

MurphTheSurf3

I’m NOT a doctrinaire Christian, but these are the times I wish and hope there is “someone listening”.

choicelady

Ad…sounds like a grand idea.

MurphTheSurf3

AL that’s a pipe dream! LOL

Harleigh

Murph and Ad – LOVE the idea, don’t think it’s extreme at all. Within the bounds of technological capacity, so…why NOT?

choicelady

Harleigh!!!! Too funny!!!

choicelady

CL….you know my understanding of GOD……not hands on…..if he/she/it/they is/are then the creature should be fired.

MurphTheSurf3

I was horrified by that, Ad Lib – but I have a particular place in my heart for that spot in Oregon. That it was started by asshole teens is unbearable.

choicelady

Murph – LOL – totally agree!!!

choicelady

Harleigh-de-Har-Har!

MurphTheSurf3

Ad….excellent point.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – exactly. No reason NOT to – it’s not remotely ‘controversial”.

choicelady

CHoice…thanks.

MurphTheSurf3

There is video coming in from the Islands that have been hit so far….frightening.

MurphTheSurf3

I’m not above an ‘interventionist old guy w a beard’ on take offs and landings, but that’s MY problem!

choicelady

Murph – I’ve seen it, and it’s horrific.

choicelady

CL…more like “your wishful thinking!” You are entitled.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – agreed. Especially in the West.

choicelady

Irma- now a storm the size of Texas.

MurphTheSurf3

OMG – TEXAS???????

choicelady

Murph – I’m a ‘white knuckle” flyer. Had LOTS of horrible experiences in my youth, and I now fly with a mantra: “keep us up. Keep us up. Keep us up” because I HATE flying!

choicelady

CL…I like to fly but I hate the experience of it now.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – as the impacts of climate change become obvious to even the idiots, this makes SO MUCH SENSE!

choicelady

Ad….I cannot wait to read your opus on this.

MurphTheSurf3

Harleigh – you OK there???

choicelady

back, sorry for delay. Current fatalities 21+

pinkpantheroz

Miami to West Palm Beach and Ft. Lauderdale will be missed, but on the West coast….apocalyptic.

MurphTheSurf3

Evening, gents. How is everyone?

glenn

PPO – where? I think it must be MUCH more.

choicelady

glenn!

pinkpantheroz

GLENN – how ARE you?

choicelady

Hi, glenn……focusing on Hurricanes tonight….is there any action on this in your neck of the woods.

MurphTheSurf3

Lots of islands inaccessable

pinkpantheroz

Hey all! CL, didn’t see your name on the list. Sorry for calling you a “gent”. I’m fine, how are you?

glenn

PPO – I think the death toll will soar once people get to those islands.

choicelady

I’m very fine but in anguish for ALL of you on the East coast!

choicelady

Murph–yes, it looks like we may get some of Irma the beginning of next week.

glenn

CL I bet so too.

Harleigh

for sure. Mexico 60+ from Quake PLUS Hurricane on way!

pinkpantheroz

Glenn…that is how I read it.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–yeah, who woulda thunk that western GA would get a hurricane?

glenn

glenn – the rain is probably sustainble, but I hope you miss the wind!

choicelady

PPO – Mexico is definitely NOT needing this story after the quake!

choicelady

Harleigh-sorry for asking you again if you’ve already answered this question. Where are you? Are you still in Ft Lauderdale?

glenn

STORM. Not Story.

choicelady

Ad–not sure about the hotel rooms, but it doesn’t surprise me.

glenn

Glenn – yep.

Harleigh

cl gottit

pinkpantheroz

Harleigh– so you’re riding it out? Stay safe, my friend.

glenn

I have been impressed that price gouging has remained relatively low key in this disaster. Social media is discouraging this behavior I think.

MurphTheSurf3

It’s projected to land 90 miles west of me!

Harleigh

Ad…glad you brought up Mexico….now will we return the favor.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – privately we will. USA gov’t? Not so much.

choicelady

Ad – social outcry ENDED price gouging on EVEN Delta that did that.

choicelady

Murph–re price gouging–pretty impressed with Jet Blue, I think it is, with $99 fares.

glenn

Ad, social media soon put a stop to gouging. FLa AG went after them!

pinkpantheroz

MANY good airlines did not take advantage of people

choicelady

Ad..I saw that too…but I am having a hard time pinning that down as a practice.

MurphTheSurf3

Harleigh–still, with the size of this storm, 90 miles still brings you a lot of storm.

glenn

Murph – Delta did it. Read an article about it. They were stopped.

choicelady

Ad – agreed. I believe Southwest did the same – ordinary fares.

choicelady

If irma lands 100 miles west of me it’ll only be some rain here.

Harleigh

Ad – yes, owned and MANAGED by employees. They’d never tolerate gouging!

choicelady

Harleigh – I want the BEST for you! Keep AdLib posted through the weekend will you?

choicelady

CL–I’ve heard two different stories about Delta price gouging–one says they did, the other says they did not. Whatever happened, I’m glad they stopped it.

glenn

CL ok… lol

Harleigh

glenn – they did do it per people needing to get OUT, but stopped when it was exposed and derided.

choicelady

Harleigh – that IS if you have POWER!!! That could be a problem, of course!

choicelady

CL–Hopefully, the state of FL will go after them, because it is against FL law to price gouge during evacuations for a hurricane.

glenn

Gas was gouged here by $.60 per gallon and the false shortage.

Harleigh

Greedy computer models upped prices as seats diminished, but fixed now

pinkpantheroz

Ad -if we can raise the debt for war, we can raise it for safety!

choicelady

I think I may be off line….checking

MurphTheSurf3

You’re here, Murph!!!

choicelady

Well put point, cl

pinkpantheroz

Harleigh–not sure if your rise in gas prices is due to gouging, or the after effects of Harvey. Gas here has gone from $2.29 a gallon to $2.79.

glenn

Ad – LOL!!! Good distinction between power and electricity!!!

choicelady

Harleigh – CA has raised gas prices, and I don’t think we get gasoline from the Gulf. But hey – “any port in the storm”, yes?

choicelady

Harleigh – gas has done the same here.

MurphTheSurf3

glenn, harvey caused refineries to stop, so shortage anyway

pinkpantheroz

Ad….the GOP count on the ignorance of their base and the lack of outrage from their opponents in all things.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – absolutely. Any excuse.

choicelady

Ad….and then they make sure those millionaires get their money anyway and the middle and lower class get zilch.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…did you see the stories on how Trump likely submitted false Miro Lago claims in the last big storm to get a windfall.

MurphTheSurf3

Well I’m off folks. have a great weekend!

Harleigh

At least trump won’t profit from his place in St. Maartins. It’s GONE!

pinkpantheroz

Ad – that as the thinking behind last year’s ballot prop that wanted ALL Californians to vote on LOCAL but state funded projects. Like Eureka will vote for rebuilding after quakes in LA. No. Not necessarily. But the idea that we can have ONLY what is local is sheer stupidity.

choicelady

Ad–I think you are right about the repub mentality.

glenn

see ya, Harleigh. Good Luck!

pinkpantheroz

Harleigh…let Ad know that you fared ok…..he can let the rest of us know.

MurphTheSurf3

Nite, Harleigh. Stay safe!

glenn

Harleigh – we love you, and we will worry, so please stay safe. Keep Ad informed if you can. Godspeed, dear friend. We are thinking of you.

choicelady

PPO–Do you know for sure that trump’s place in St. Maartins is gone?

glenn

someone mentioned earlier that both his and Bransons place on Nekker had been destroyed

pinkpantheroz

glenn – the destruction of both Trump’s and Branson’s property is a news story that I believe is verified.

choicelady

Glenn…here is the story.

MurphTheSurf3

glenn – ask me if I weep for Trump. No.

choicelady

That was a charles Munger proposition. I have backed ONE of his – Kathay Fung liked it – but NOT THAT ONE.

choicelady

What’s the betting he arranged for all valuables to be taken out, but will claim for them anyway?

pinkpantheroz

I have a sister on the west coast of Florida, a brother in the middle of the state, and a nephew on the east coast. I’m hoping they all keep in touch over the weekend. All of them are staying put; the worst one is my brother, who is 74 years old, and lives in a mobile home. He’s a stubborn old cuss and I couldn’t talk him out of going even to a friend’s house to get out of the mobile.

glenn

PPO – I bet you’re correct!

choicelady

Oh glenn – I am horrified your brother won’t go!!! This isn’t something you can tough out!!!

choicelady

Glenn…I will keep you in mind this weekend…heavy family burdens.

MurphTheSurf3

CL–while I hate to see anyone’s property damaged, I’m not too upset about trump’s and branson’s.

glenn

glenn, I hope your brother stays safe. That must be a huge worry for you.

pinkpantheroz

glenn – Branson isn’t whining. Trump??? We’ll see.

choicelady

Well, folks, great chatting, but gotta go. Stay safe, you and yours.

pinkpantheroz

CL–I know. Tried to talk him into going to a friend’s place, who at least has a house, but he won’t budge. I also forgot to mention my other sister who lives in the middle of the state, but she’s in a CBS house, so she’s good.

glenn

Ad – no, but she like the one about the 72-hour notice on all bills. I did, too. Sometimes even a blind pig (Munger) can find an acorn. Neither she nor I liked the OTHER proposition that made everyone vote on everyone ELSE’s needs. He can go suck eggs on that – we defeated it.

choicelady

PPO – you all stay safe down there – you’re moving into summer and fire season, too. We will hope the best for you all.

choicelady

glenn – I hope all of them get through this OK.

choicelady

PPO and Ad–Yeah, I’ll be trying to keep tabs on him over the weekend. He told me they’re expecting “only” 40-75 mph winds, and I told him that’s tropical storm strength and he should leave, but as I said, he’s a stubborn old coot.

glenn

glenn – in my whole life trying to budge “stubborn old coots” had proven pointless. I hope he gets through this OK!

choicelady

This has been most interesting and very much in keeping with our community here at the Planet. I was glad to be a part of it.

MurphTheSurf3

Okay, folks, just popped in to say “hi”. Glad I got a chance to chat with you all. Will let you all know how my family makes out when I know. Take care, everyone.

glenn

I’d not have supported the 72-hour prop were it not for Kathay’s great analysis. He got lucky – it actually is a good idea.

choicelady

glenn – as the storm moves north, I hope YOU are OK. Take care, batten hatches, and be well!!

choicelady

I am heading for my haystack!

MurphTheSurf3

OK all – up way too early, busy all day, so I’m heading for bed. GREAT seeing eeryone and hope all in the path of any kind of harm gets OUT of it and well.!

choicelady

Good night.

MurphTheSurf3

G’night Murph!

choicelady

Oops, Ad, just saw your question. He lives in a place called Morriston. It’s about 30 miles northwest of Gainesville, (University of Florida).

glenn

So, good night!

glenn

Ad – first read it as PIMPS and pipes!!! OK I’m good with pumps.

choicelady

Talk to you all soon!

choicelady