Vox Populi – 8-11-2017

Hey Ad, how are you?

glenn

Hello all….the sign in was a bit tricky tonight….Harleigh is here but not in the users list….are you ghosting? on stealth mode?

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–eh–had a bit of a depression this week, due to the fact that my husband’s birthday would have been Thursday. Then, of course, the news doesn’t help lately.

glenn

Hey Murph–How are you?

glenn

Murph–Harleigh was here about two hours ago; he might be offline now and will return later.

glenn

Hi Glenn….the depression….anniversary depressions are among the worst….how do you deal with it….?

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn…fine….catching up and distressed as you are by the news.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–I talk to my daughter, I try to get out of the house and see people, I try to remember the wonderful life we had together…just the usual. While time doesn’t always heal; it does lessen the grief.

glenn

hey there, crispy critters. Still here, are we?

pinkpantheroz

Hey PPO–how are you?

glenn

Glenn…sounds like you have a very workable plan that allows for grief and promotes healing…good for you.

MurphTheSurf3

Thanks, Ad. It always helps to talk to people, even if it’s online. Plus, when it’s online, you can’t see my tears.

glenn

Fine thanks, glenn. Sorry this is a painful period for you.

pinkpantheroz

Fergie’s doing the same, Ad. She’s doing a grand job!

pinkpantheroz

Thanks to all of you for being so understanding. It’s been almost eight years now, so I am able to handle it a little better as time goes by.

glenn

For any who might be interested….I did a long essay on how the U.S. would likely conduct a preemptive attack on the NKDP…it makes for chilling reading.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–absolutely! Which is why I always try to tell you gentlemen how much I appreciate you all, even though we’ve never “formally” met. It’s important to let people know how you feel. That being said, that’s enough about me; let’s get on with trashing trump!

glenn

Ad, she’d love to be on Vox, but the IBS keeps her , er, prisoner in the bathroom at this time.

pinkpantheroz

PPO – I second ad’s invitation.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–I have it “bookmarked” to read later. I’m always interested in your perspective on what’s going in the world.

glenn

PPO…so understandable and such a burden.

MurphTheSurf3

Hi, Murph. Will read later. Thanks for understanding. Now, when do the media go to a beach near Caracas to film the Marines landing?

pinkpantheroz

PPO–as long as Fergie knows we’re thinking about her.

glenn

PPO–Caracas or Guam? Hmmm…

glenn

Will do, folks. She knows you’re all rooting for her

pinkpantheroz

Thanks everyone…reply at Yabberz or to my e mail….ad has it and anyone here is welcome to contact me there (be sure you put your Planet Name in the Subject Line).

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…those numbers seem quite reasonable…..

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…or quite insane

MurphTheSurf3

Scary indeed, Ad. bet the SK casualties are mostly civilian

pinkpantheroz

Ad–you know, it’s ironic. I just read a book that had a lot about preppers in it. It was fiction, but preppers were some of the main characters. It was set in the Cascade Mountains in Oregon. They have some interesting theories; but their preparation skills cannot be “sneezed at” at this time.

glenn

PPO….its military will take a very heavy hit. Its civilians will get a bit of cover. People in NK will suffer immensely.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–now there’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one…”reasonably insane”. Kinda like saying “president trump”.

glenn

… with emphasis on the ‘Moron’ glenn!

pinkpantheroz

Glenn and Ad…here in MO….the militia preppers are having special drills this weekend.

MurphTheSurf3

A quote on Twitter today: If your God is cool with nuking an entire country but not with two guys marrying—you might consider exchanging that God

pinkpantheroz

You can say the same with black Voter Supression

pinkpantheroz

Murph and Ad–you know, I read an article online the other day about what we did to North Korea during the Korean War, so it’s no wonder they hate us so. I’m not saying that excuses their behavior; just explains it a little more. And, of course, our stupid, idiotic guy who occupies the WH (sometimes) just plays right into their hands, IMO. Hopefully, trump’s generals and military analysts will help trump to understand.

glenn

PPO–LOL!

glenn

Ad, and remember how they yelled at Obama and his Syrian ‘Red Line’?

pinkpantheroz

Glenn….Kim has a point….countries that give up their nuclear programs experience regime change (Libya and Iraq for ex.)

MurphTheSurf3

PPO–The LOL was for your “moron” comment; not for the twitter comment.

glenn

Ad…and if there was….they will burn too…just a bit later.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – Kim’s hold is too tight. His army idolizes him and he keeps them well paid and fed. No chance of a peasant Spring

pinkpantheroz

Figured that, g!

pinkpantheroz

PPO–there are still many trump supporters on twitter and other sites who are so “happy” that we have a “president” who “stands up to” NK, and doesn’t “let” them “have” nuclear weapons. Like NK hating us just began with President Obama.

glenn

PPO…I was thinking of the influence of external powers who would not fear him.

MurphTheSurf3

brb

pinkpantheroz

Glenn….Trumpsters….the sons and daughters of arrogant ignorance.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–I hope your prediction that there is not going to be a nuclear war is correct. I’m hopeful that neither trump nor kim are not that stupid, but I have my doubts, which is why we can’t be sure.

glenn

Ad…..precisely….a couple of dozen marines could take out every militia group in Mo…..bunch of fat, out of shape, disorganized ruffians.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–the so-called adults in the trump WH may have contradicted him publicly, but will the generals contradict him if he really does decide to push the nuke button? See, I told you I was depressed; I’m into the worse case scenario, I guess.

glenn

Glenn….this should comfort you….the opinion in military circles is that the military would block him because they would regard the order as unlawful.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad and Murph–most of the militia groups I’ve seen online aren’t very organized, nor very smart. Their philosophy is that guns solve everything…and most of the time they end up shooting each other. Which is the best case scenario.

glenn

Glenn…we now the same crowd!

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–thanks for that; it does comfort me somewhat. We are going to have to leave it up to the sane people in the military, because we sure as hell can’t depend on our congress critters to do anything to stop him!

glenn

Ad…note my comments in support of your positions re. the Kim perspective and generals not ordering the launch.

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn…the Congress, for nearly 20 years now has passed off its obligation to oversee the President’s use of armed force.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad and Murph–with trump ramping up his rhetoric, he almost has to “do” something, doesn’t he? I guess, on the other hand, if kim doesn’t do anything, then all of the trump supporters will applaud trump’s tough talk!

glenn

Hey Harleigh–are you really here?

glenn

hey guys

Harleigh

Australia has a dog in this fight now, with Fucking Malcolm Turnbull throwing Australia right in with Trump!

pinkpantheroz

Hey Harleigh!

pinkpantheroz

Ad–haven’t heard about that bill, but it’s a great start. Hope it passes with bipartisan support, like the russian sanctions bill did.

glenn

Harleigh….I mistook your early sign in for your flying under the radar in stealth mode.

MurphTheSurf3

well russia is fake news again huh?

Harleigh

lol yeah my norton performance!

Harleigh

Harleigh–maybe…seems like the noose seems to be tightening around Manafort, so who knows where that will go?

glenn

Great distraction, h! Never mind Russiagate, worry about fallout!

pinkpantheroz

Trump gets a flattery folder twice a day….voluminous and engaging…he loves it…..But those pesky intel briefings…YAWN….

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–well, it’s hard to believe anything trump says. If he doesn’t want to “own” it, he’ll claim he never said it; or he was only kidding; or he was being sarcastic! So, how do we know when he’s serious about something? When he hugs himself while he’s talking, like he did when he talked about “fire and fury”?

glenn

yep, the sessions thing was another distraction. Manafort is singing his ass off to avoid prison.

Harleigh

Ad….and Glenn….Trump would risk it all to keep his business out of the spotlight.

MurphTheSurf3

Harleigh–hopefully, Manafort will have a chorus of back-up singers soon!

glenn

I predict a lot of equipment ‘failures’ if Trump gives the orders. also, evacuation of POTUS to a Mountain Cave, and lock him in for a couple of months.

pinkpantheroz

PPO….locking him up for his protection and then provide fake news to think the world is gone….Pence as Prez…yuck….but still better, if only marginally.

MurphTheSurf3

Looking forward to his Tax files and the TRumpzi schemes he’s running

pinkpantheroz

Murph–yeah, I read the other day that Mueller is looking into the finances; I hope we get to see some of them.

glenn

Ad…..interesting take on the flattery folders……feeding his hubris….making him more careless.

MurphTheSurf3

They got kushner on a money thing already so mueller has got more ammo every day. this is not the fake HRC shit.

Harleigh

Ad and Murph–I agree; trump’s need to be loved will be his downfall, hopefully.

glenn

Harleigh….but Kush is in the middle east making peace…..how dare you besmirch him.

MurphTheSurf3

I’m pissed off with this bunch of amateurs screwing the whole world….for profit!

pinkpantheroz

Harleigh–well, they are opening up the investigation into HRC’s emails again. I think I’ve asked this question before, but what, exactly, are repubs hoping to find in HRC’s emails?

glenn

LOL besmmirch indeed.

Harleigh

Murph–“flattery folders” LOL!

glenn

glenn, they have to find them first!

pinkpantheroz

Glenn..who is reopening the Hillary stuff? Have not read that.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–Kush is out of the country so he can’t be arrested!

glenn

glenn a smoking gun from benghazi or leaks of classified info

Harleigh

We had a saying at the flying club. So-and so crashed because of the LAMMs – ‘Look At Me, Mammy!’

pinkpantheroz

Ad….the recordings transcripts of T’s conversations with the heads of state of Mex and Aus tell us all we need to know about his diplomatic skills.

MurphTheSurf3

Mueller has assembled an extraordinary cadre of attorneys skilled in deep financial investigation…scary as hell to Trump and his gang.

MurphTheSurf3

Good one, Ad.

pinkpantheroz

These folks are all 1%ers and will say or do anything to avoid prison. mantis and kelly etc and the other used generals will flee.

Harleigh

Ad….the clip…what a find….perfect.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–in answer to your question about the emails, it may not be an investigation, per se, but a federal judge has ordered the state department to search its own records to find more of the emails. “An agency ‘cannot limit its search to only one record system if there are others that are likely to turn up the information requested,’” Mehta, who was appointed to the court in December 2014, wrote in his ruling. “To date, State has searched only data compilations originating from outside sources—Secretary Clinton, her former aides, and the FBI…. It has not, however, searched the one records system over which it has always had control and that is almost certain to contain some responsive records: the state.gov email server.” This is in response to the FOIA suit that Judicial Watch has filed.

glenn

glenn my gues is that they will all be duplicates like the last batch and the ones on Humas laptop with weiners weiner.

Harleigh

Glenn….ah…..that makes sense….I cannot imagine there is anything new there….mostly the originals that then went out of the system and became the basis for the investigations.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–trump has the “best words”–that’s why he uses them over and over again.

glenn

Murph, in other words, nothing to see here, but spend millions on a useless effort -like voting fraud.

pinkpantheroz

there have been over 60 hearings, investigations and commissions on HRC. zippo.

Harleigh

Harleigh and Murph–doesn’t matter if they say the same thing; it’s the “scandal” that counts.

glenn

I am regularly amazed, although by this time I should not be, at how short Trumps attention span is…today at his Jersey club he gave an impromptu presser and was like a frenetic tennis player rushing to return the ball but hitting it all over the court.

MurphTheSurf3

amazing people get paid to invent a dead horse to whip!

Harleigh

PPO- precisely, a costly diersion.

MurphTheSurf3

Harleigh–I read a good line the other day–“Conservatives have been investigating HRC for over 20 years and not one grand jury has been convened; they’ve been investigating trump for three months and we already have a grand jury and indictments.”

glenn

Glenn….truth.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–of course it will go nowhere. That’s not the point, the point is to get the 30% of America believing that HRC has done something wrong, anything, to justify their hatred of her.

glenn

glenn it’s not just low fruit…. it’s blatant piles of it rotting on the ground and they think they are powerfull and slick enough that it’s all OK.

Harleigh

Ad…I hope the awakening comes soon…the sooner it comes….the sooner the GOP will feel safe to consider the means to remove him.

MurphTheSurf3

Lovely line on Twitter: Fire and Fury won’t stop the Grand Jury!

pinkpantheroz

Harleigh….great word picture….piles of rotting fruit.

MurphTheSurf3

With Pence outpacing Trump in funding for 2020 I would say the cat is out of the bag. Trump will not believe it until he is ready to turn on Pence.

MurphTheSurf3

I’m waiting for trump to turn on the wrong person one day. Someone who has the real scoop on him, can prove it with paperwork, and bring him down. A lot more powerful people are beating the drums for impeaching trump using the 25th amendment. Never know when the crescendo will become so loud that even congress can’t ignore it.

glenn

I have a feeling he’ll be outted like raygun wasn’t. raygun was seriously impaired and allowed to stay in office because he was on a short leash in a bubble and no NET. Dolt45 has real mental problems.

Harleigh

Glenn…I am a big advocate of the 25th….Suspends him from office….called by the VP with 1/2 of the cabinet…and then made permanent by a Congress unwilling to reinstate him.

MurphTheSurf3

Sorry, folks, have to call it a day. Hope to see you all next week, if there is a next week. Covfefe with Kimchi for dinner tonight!

pinkpantheroz

murph not with this cabinet.

Harleigh

lol later PPO

Harleigh

pinkpantheroz

Ad…Ignorance plus Arrogance holds sway. Trump is Winning. The main lame stream media representing the deep state is throwing up one lie after another. Until something he does or does not do bites them in the ass, the 30 percent will believe him.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–I hope Mueller gets the “goods” soon. As you say, trump exhaustion is beginning to set in. On the “bright side”, though, our “fearless leader” had brought the stock market up all by himself, and

glenn

oops, and will take credit for it. (In case you all missed it, that last sentence is snark).

glenn

Glenn….Mueller is building a case that will be iron clad I suspect…that takes time.

MurphTheSurf3

That’s the same 30% that feel Obama was on vacation and allowed 9/11.

Harleigh

Harleigh…that’s them.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–I think no matter what trump does, he’s always going to have that 30% or close to it. It may go a bit lower, but there are always going to be people who support him, no matter what he does.

glenn

I troll the Hill and some of the really rwnj sites. simply amazing.

Harleigh

Glenn….generally I agree but if he junks the ACA they will be burned in large numbers and the blame will be hard to buck.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–not so sure I agree with you on that. The blame will be hard to buck, but trump and his cultist 30% will find a way to blame it on Obama or Hillary. It will probably Hillary’s fault because she wasn’t elected president.

glenn

HAHAHAHA if they burn the ACA then all their base of rural white people become uninsured. no HC and no more welfare. I especially love all his supporters that lose land for the wall and end up on the mexican side! hilarious.

Harleigh

Harleigh–yeah, I love those who will end up on the Mexican side, and those who will get no compensation for their land, due to “eminent domain.” However, just as trump supporters don’t understand nuance and diplomacy, they sure as hell don’t understand “irony”.

glenn

Okay, gents, you have cheered me up somewhat. Thanks. I’ll see you all next week, I hope.

glenn

Good night!

glenn

sleep well and go to you tube and watch ‘duck and cover’ from when we were kids. if you just curl up under a school desk after the flash….

Harleigh

well i’m noddin out too. later guys and have a good week.

Harleigh

Well, folks got to run…this has been fun….very lively…..

MurphTheSurf3

I am here…got pulled away by a phone call….

MurphTheSurf3

We have a former GOP county chair who is a neighbor. He is sickened by what has been done to his party.

MurphTheSurf3

The older leadership is all that way but live in fear that if they pull down the edifice of hate and anger that has been erected as the new GOP there will be nothing left.

MurphTheSurf3

It is amazing how many people I know who are right leaning are pumping their fists and yelling “Yeah, Trump don’t take no shit.”

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…..I live in an area that 20 years ago was solid Blue…..dixiecrat maybe but blue…..that generation turned the tri county region from blue to red…they fear the fall of the party.

MurphTheSurf3

The video….more fake news….falsified video….an actor…..I think that once Alex Jones did not go under when he created the meme that the shooting of kids was a phony to promote taking away arms truth was dead.

MurphTheSurf3

Hello my friends. Great to see you!

funksands

I have only been to one Trump rally and the moron factor is really, really high.

MurphTheSurf3

Funk, old bean, what’s the haps!

MurphTheSurf3

We were about to close up shop but hung around for some last minute chatter…..many topics tonight…

MurphTheSurf3

Hey Murph! Just having fun in the ashtray that is Seattle

funksands

Funk….the ashtray that is Seattle. What a hoot!

MurphTheSurf3

The skies have been filled with smoke for 2 weeks. Worse air than Beijing!

funksands

Ad….I fully expect that what began as the Tea Party and morphed into the Trump Movement will be with us for years…the know nothings have a way of persisting.

MurphTheSurf3

Funk, I always think of Seattle as the Great Northwest. Not so…

MurphTheSurf3

They’ll be around until they get their ass handed to them in elections

funksands

Funk….those I am thinking of are not at that level…the angry minions.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, no doubt. King County has put out alerts saying that if you don’t need to be outside, don’t go.

funksands

Murph, I get it.

funksands

I know some of those minions unfortunately.

funksands

Also 55 days with no rain.

funksands

Funk, I know many, including those whose lives will be horribly affected if Trump’s agenda comes to pass in any way.

MurphTheSurf3

Does Trump have an agenda?

funksands

Ad…my fear is that the GOP who seem so able to play the political game will beat out the Dems again, a party that still seems at sea.

MurphTheSurf3

Still blazing away in BC. Supposed to clear out tomorrow or Sunday

funksands

Funk…he does…..although it is a moving target….he just has no good ideas and anything he supports will hurt.

MurphTheSurf3

Funk…am I correct in my belief that your part of the world has only recently become tinder as a result of shifting climate patterns.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph I fear more him being used by the truly evil rather than just the regular grifter action that he engages in. I think he’s very vulnerable.

funksands

Funk…that is so….but even the truly evil are unlikely to trust him as a “good cop” one who once bought stays bought.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph, kind of. This particular dry spell is not due to climate change…but that said, what climate change IS doing is creating new “norms” within regular occurrences like El Nino and La Nina. Wettest winter ever followed by the driest summer ever just isn’t normal, but it may be soon

funksands

Ad…I am not so much speaking to a leader or an agenda as to a willingness to engage in the kind of dirty in-fighting that marked their campaign against Clinton…

MurphTheSurf3

Funk….that makes sense….and it is sad and worrisome. Here in Mo. we are seeing much dryer summers and much warmer winters….making a mess for those who plant and harvest.

MurphTheSurf3

Like me.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, no doubt. But before I was worried that he was a crook, and would install 3 Supreme Court justices. Now I worry that anyone with good flattery skills can make him do anything they want. That’s troubling

funksands

Murph, what do you raise?

funksands

Ad…..Russia….if Trump has a mouthful of PutinShit he would not say a thing that is negative. Thanking Putin for kicking 700 plus off of our consular staffing (about half russian who are now unemployable) and all who were dedicated to their work. Not a word to them either.

MurphTheSurf3

Funk…I am a “truck farmer”. I have a dozen 1000 square foot plots of organic vegetables that I sell to restaurant supply house. My surplus goes to food banks.

MurphTheSurf3

Nice. That’s what I pictured when I thought of your operation. Funny…

funksands

Good point

funksands

Ad….I agree but Trump and the GOP are so vulnerable right now that some trends should be emerging and again I am not certain the Dems can rumble the way they have to.

MurphTheSurf3

Funk….why are you amused that you had a sharp picture of my ops…..I know how sharp you are so it does not surprise me at all.

MurphTheSurf3

Dems are outperforming both Clinton and Obama by 9 points in swing districts nationwide. Not sure how that helps them in local elections they ignore, but the House may be in play. We ignore local races to our peril

funksands

I don’t know. It’s just the picture in my mind I have of you when I think about you. Of course that’s probably because you told me two years ago and now I think it was my idea

funksands

Funk, ignoring local elections is one of my examples about the Dems not playing the politics game in the bare knuckled rumble in the gutter way that the GOP does.

MurphTheSurf3

Funk…so funny…..maybe we spoke of it but I have certainly dropped a number of clues…and you picked up on them.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad….I see all of that….I suspect many of my neighbors will just refuse to even take a glance…of course if they are part of a high 20’s or low 30’s crowd even with gerrymandering the results in the elections will be a harsh lesson (if they are close to being honest)

MurphTheSurf3

The special election in Iowa recently was a good sign. The Dem beat the Repub by 10 points in a district that Trump won by 17 points.

funksands

Ad….a sign of what you are suggesting will be a fall off in his crowds……Ye Gods! It is almost 11.

MurphTheSurf3

Funk what election was that? Was it covered by the national press.

MurphTheSurf3

Nope. Totally ignored. Which is odd considering how much coverage of the MT, GA and KS races they had

funksands

funksands

Funk, I need to look it up. An example of how the Dems miss the boat.

MurphTheSurf3

Thanks for the lead.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad….challengers are running very far ahead of the norm and very, very far ahead of the GOP.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, yes! There are now something like 31 new Dem challengers to previously “safe” districts in CA alone, am I right?

funksands

209 new Dem challengers already in House races nationwide

funksands

Ad I think you are spot on in that analysis. It is in those states that his base is still very strong…..and that is why it will be a sign of faltering support if those rallies begin to fall off.

MurphTheSurf3

It is creeping closer and closer to 11…I need to hit the sack. 5:30 AM comes fast. Best to both of you. This is terrific.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph, great seeing you. Take care

funksands

So long Funk and Ad!

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, everyone in your world good?

funksands

GOP had 79 at this same time in 2010

funksands

Not bad. Just getting ready for the big day in a couple of weeks.

funksands

I’m just hoping the party can support them a little bit. Not convinced. Perez is a good guy, but just not sure if he has the chops

funksands

Yeah, the big surgery on August 23rd. Officially moved to sweaty palms level 2

funksands

I’m just not convinced the Dems learned anything from 2016. The stupider that Trump looks, the more the party seems to think that they can run against that to the exclusion of any new message

funksands

I’m fine. Just want to get it over with

funksands

Is your daughter in high school this year?

funksands

I’ve run into brick walls for months when I ask “12 million Dem voters voted in the primaries for someone that isn’t a Democrat. What do you think we can learn from that” Typically the answer is “we don’t need them”

funksands

I graduated from high school in June, one headed to 8th grade. Growing up fast!

funksands

leftists, liberals, progressives, Democrats all think we can do it without the other. So stupid.

funksands

“one” graduated. I graduated several years ago I swear!

funksands

And vice versa. Bernie supporters convinced they would have won if the “fix” wasn’t in.

funksands

He is going to stay in “transition” in the high school system for another year (he’s autistic) and then to Bellevue college for a couple of classes in the spring. We are taking it slow. The other kid? Well he’s either going to be a splatter-painter, software tycoon or angry drifter depending on the day

funksands

Thankfully Dems in my area are having no such debates. I see a lot of unity around here. Only on social media do I see this huge schism

funksands

But my blue bubble is probably different then more lightly shaded areas of the country

funksands

Good thing we never went through that

funksands

Well thanks for keeping the fire lit so I could find you. Have a great weekend!

funksands

Thanks man. Take care

funksands