Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then!
AdLib 7 days ago
Don’t forget to say “Hi!” or “Drumpf Dumped” when you arrive!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey there!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey AL
Harleigh
7 days ago
What’s up, Harleigh?
AdLib 7 days ago
What’s up KT?
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey PPO!
AdLib 7 days ago
long week at work and going in tomorrow. *groan*
Harleigh
7 days ago
que pasa people?
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Hi, everybody!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Wow Harleigh, hope you’re off on Sunday!
AdLib 7 days ago
Howdy, howdy!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hi KT, PPO.
Harleigh
7 days ago
I’m doing well. How about you Ad?
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
What’s up P and Harleigh?
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Doing well, KT!
AdLib 7 days ago
saw my Doc Thursday and Leg #2 is doing fine. Laughing at Drumpf now saying the fix is in already
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Jordan the centipede taught me a card trick! I need a bogel for the glotch!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
KT I thought he said ‘I need a bullet for the Glock”
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Naw he’s too much a wuss.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Great to hear, PPO! Yep, Drumpf is now in a kamikaze tailspin to crash and burn at the conventioon. I can’t wait to see the fit he throows there and how he will get his revenge because he is one vengeful weasel.
AdLib 7 days ago
KT – I like to eat hair.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad, I worry his supporters will cause mayhem and sabotage it if trump doesn’t get the nom.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
i’m looking forward to the Clash in Cleveland! It ought to be a hoot.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
PPO – Yep, he did say that!
AdLib 7 days ago
It’s really hard to swallow, though Ad!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
That’s why cats are always gagging.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
I wanna watch the reactions when Ted Nugent shits his pants! LOL
Harleigh
7 days ago
The Clash of Cretins at the Convention in Cleveland CCCC!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
PPO – What do you mean, you worry about Trumps loons sabotaging it? You mean as in bombs?
AdLib 7 days ago
Harleigh, you mean, again?
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Punch ups, bullying, disruptions, just your normal convention, I suppose!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
KT – That’s why Trump keeps his distance from Cruz, afraid of having his toupe eaten!
AdLib 7 days ago
LOL!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
do you think the GOPers will tru to give the nom to Ryan?
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
They can’t even bring their guns!! WUSSIES!!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Damn Hareigh, I was looking for a little Datwinism to take place at the convention.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
PPO – I think there could be some violence at the convention but remember, they wanted to bring guns in too! In the real world, glad they can’t but in my imagination, that would be pretty entertaining. “Shootout at the GOP Corral!”
AdLib 7 days ago
Harleigh – Ya beat me to it!
AdLib 7 days ago
No shit KT. Drunks with guns and bibles. yee haw
Harleigh
7 days ago
yeah harleigh, just think of Trump firing a gun along the Convention floor. Lots of votes in that
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Hally loo ya!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
KT – Yes, I think they will push very hard to hand the nom to Ryan but doing so will tear the GOP apart (and the convention).
AdLib 7 days ago
They really are between a rock and a hard place Ad. They have no good options.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Good evening, all. PPO, glad to hear the leg is on the mend. Yikes, guns and the gop! What could go wrong? Too bad they can’t carry!
glenn
7 days ago
Ad, Good! I’m getting worried that the Dem sides are starting to decend to the GOP level in Ad Hominem attacks.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
The Staples center definately would have needed a new roof!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Hey glenn!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Hi glenn, thanks a lot.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Hey glenn!!!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey KT, PPO.
glenn
7 days ago
BRB
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
hey glenn
Harleigh
7 days ago
Hey Harleigh, I was down in your neck of the woods (almost) last week. Went to see my nephew in Port Salerno. Do you know where that is?
glenn
7 days ago
Hey Ad!
glenn
7 days ago
NOPE I don’t…. where?
Harleigh
7 days ago
Has anybody heard about this committee in Missouri that want’s Planned Parenthood to turn over a list of the women who had abortions? Talk about Sieg Heil!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
It’s east of Stuart; right on the Manatee Pocket, which is on the way to the Stuart inlet.
glenn
7 days ago
I read the article. PP ain’t gonna do it.
Harleigh
7 days ago
KT – What stinks about the MSM is that they breathe life into lunacy, such as Trump’s campaign and Ryan’s attempt to sneak in to steal the nom…without ever considering the consequences! If they flipped the finger to all the voters in all the states and picked Ryan, it would be a nightmare for them.
AdLib 7 days ago
They have nowhere to turn. They know neither Trump or Cruz could win a general election. Basically, they’re hosed.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
KT–OMG. Just when you think the gop can’t get any lower; they go there. WTH difference does it make whether or not a woman has had an abortion? I just cannot believe these people; they truly are the scum of the earth!
glenn
7 days ago
They only have themselves to blame.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Well, Ad, the GOP/TP and the media are now reaping the whirlwind of their own creation and don’t know what to do about it.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
PPO – Hillary started slinging the diss and when Bernie slings it back (which he shouldn’t have), she howls, “Sexist!” Very sad indeed.
AdLib 7 days ago
I think they want the names so they can publicly shame these poor women. They might as well skip the paperwork and tatoo them with a scarlet letter.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Ad, they should both visit the Vatican to learn how to rule without being an asshole about it
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Ad–hopefully, all the “purists” in the gop will stay home if they give the nom to Ryan. But doesn’t ryan keep saying he doesn’t want the nom? Or is it a case of “please don’t throw me in that briar patch, Brer Rabbit”?
glenn
7 days ago
KT – Hadn’t heard about that but did hear the the Feds are looking at the laws in MS and NC as disqualifying them from receiving BILLIONS of federal money in housing, education, etc. Now that would be sweet, watching them scramble to reverse their “principled” law.
AdLib 7 days ago
KT it reveals more about them than any exposee about the women. Utter shits the lot of ’em. And how many women are on that committee
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
well that’s good news. Those laws will never withstand a Supreme Court challenge.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
KT–The problem with trying to “shame” these women is there is no shame to having an abortion; only in the minds of these dirty old men. An abortion is a private decision between a woman, her doctor, and her partner.
glenn
7 days ago
PPO – So true, the GOP is getting its just desserts for turning it’s party into The Hate Party and you can’t Paul Ryan your way out of it!
AdLib 7 days ago
Believe it or not P, there are two democrat women on the committee. The committee’s name The Commission for the Sanctity of Life. Can you believe that shit?
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Missouri, the home of the Evangelical Gestapo
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
I don’t, KT. How could they???
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Ha they’re even tossing Mitt Romney’s name around. Man, you can just smell the desperation.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Ad–Go President Obama! I hope he withholds those funds; as you say, those “principles” would change really quickly, wouldn’t they? Did you hear about Springsteen cancelling his concert in NC? Love it!
glenn
7 days ago
The two women must be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, or something.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Christo-Fascists.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
glenn – You nailed it. Ryan is passive agreesive like that, Maddow did a segment on him today about how he used the exact same anti-campaign to get the Speakership, “No, I absolutely won’t be Speaker! No-no-no-no and that’s final! Unless you’ll agree to hand it to me on a silver platter and give me more allegience.”
AdLib 7 days ago
Anybody, does Richard Nixon have a Son they could throw into the mix?
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
good question, P. I think he may have had a son, but I don’t really know for sure.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
KT – Mitt and Ryan are both actively stealth campaigning to get the nom, it’s not hypothetical. And the RNC really wants that to happen!
AdLib 7 days ago
Desperate, desperate, desperate. Do they really think people are going to elect Romney? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
glenn – Yep and Paypal cancelled plans to open a new office there, hundreds of good paying jobs just lost in NC.
AdLib 7 days ago
Well, they can always resurrect the McCain/Palin ticket, dontcha know
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
I want Bachmann/Palin! Whooopieeeee!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
PPO–how sexist of you! NIxon has two daughters; they could recruit one of them. And St. Ronnie has a son and a daughter; what’s wrong with them?
glenn
7 days ago
PPO – Yep, Jeb Nixon. Or as he’s known in the political world, “Jeb?”
AdLib 7 days ago
LOL!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Ad, yep, hit them in the hip pocket enough and see the resolve crumble
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
TO ALL: Make a guess, what do you think will happen at the GOP convention, who will eventually get the nom?
AdLib 7 days ago
Palin – Bachmann for jebus!
Harleigh
7 days ago
at this point, Ad, I haven’t the slightest idea. I don’t think they do either.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Ad, Christians 52, Lions Nil.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Can you imagine, Harleigh? Comedy gold!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
The GOP will bring their sick bags and crown Cruz
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Ah, so many fundies, so few lions!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
PPO–oh no, palin, with all her “principles”, would never go against her “chosen one”, the donald. Ha! Give her enough money and a microphone, and she’ll say anything.
glenn
7 days ago
omg it would be my dream since 2008! lol
Harleigh
7 days ago
PPO – That POS NC Gov. McCrory said the protest against that hateful law was hollow. Now the money’s being taken out of their pocket, he’s proven the liar that he is.
AdLib 7 days ago
PPO – 
AdLib 7 days ago
and clip on clothes pins for their noses.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Ad–I think it’s going to be trump in the final vote. I just can’t believe the gop would try to shoot themselves in the foot that way, by denying trump the nomination. However, a lot could happen to trump’s campaign between now and the convention, so it’s hard to say. In some ways, I really hope cruz gets the nom. I think either Hillary or Bernie could beat cruz with both hands tied behind their backs!
glenn
7 days ago
I do too, glenn.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
glenn, have to ( excuse me while I spit) agree.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
I think the highest probability if Trump is within 50 or so delegates, that he will bribe enough to go over the top. If not, Cruz could win on a 2nd ballot. Least likely is that they draft someone like Romney or Ryan but they could. And even less likely than that is that Kasich is even recognized by delegates.
AdLib 7 days ago
PPO–I know; I threw up in my mouth a little as I typed that!
glenn
7 days ago
Holy Jeebus. K-Sick for Prez? Yikes!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
KT–well, kasich is the “moderate”, dontcha know?
glenn
7 days ago
glenn – The one strong argument Repub Elites are focused on to justify stealing the nom away and giving it to someone like Ryan is losing the Senate and maybe even the House if Trump is their nom.
AdLib 7 days ago
I think Hillary will defeat whoever they come up with.
Harleigh
7 days ago
oh yeah, glenn, and I’m Brad Pitt!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Of course, Trump couls always withdraw on his own saying everybody is too mean and not nice and he really didn’t want it in the first place and its all a left wing conspiracy and he is too busy anyway bankrupting a few more companies and screwing employees to be bothered and Putin is getting mean and the Mexicanse aren’t going to pay for the wall, so I’m fuelling up the 757 and vanishing up my own arse. So there!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Ad–oh well. Too bad if they lose the Senate; you have to live with the consequences of your actions, don’t you?
glenn
7 days ago
Too funny, P.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
PPO–that sounded more like a palin rant, but it does work. Do you think trump will run as a third-party candidate?
glenn
7 days ago
They don’t know what that means, glenn. You know, the party of personal responsibility.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
brb coffee calling!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Trump’s negs can only be met by Cruz’s negs. Both would lose in a landslide to either Dem. If they crown Ryan, the GOP core will revolt, Trump might run as an indie just to spite the GOP and whatever they thought they’d gain by crowning Ryan would be lost many times over.
AdLib 7 days ago
KT–I know. All the party has to do is pull up it’s bootstraps; put their nose to the grindstone, while at the same time holding it; and own up to creating trump and the monster base they have created! And voila! They have a nominee!
glenn
7 days ago
well off to bed and work tomorrow. later folks
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh–sorry we didn’t get to chat longer. Sleep well! G’nite.
glenn
7 days ago
Take it easy Harleigh.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
PPO – True but Trump wouldn’t want to be called a quitter. I think he’s already imagined painting the Trump logo on the WH, he wants to be Pres now for real. He’s not walking away, he’ll blow up the GOP rather than give up the nom.
AdLib 7 days ago
Seeya Harleigh!
AdLib 7 days ago
Does Bernie still have a shot at the nomination, you think?
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
glenn – Indeed. We had a good shot at the Senate this year anyway, I think the odds of winning it back are even higher with each passing day.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad–I agree with you on one hand about trump not wanting to be called a quitter. On the other hand, he’s good at spinning anything to make himself look good, so if he does walk away; it won’t be because he quits; it will be because the nom was stolen from him.
glenn
7 days ago
KT – I think he does. It is true that as things stand right now, Bernie is unlkely to catch Hillary on delegates but if, for example, something like the Panama Papers comes out and Bill and/or Hillary turn out to be involved in something questionable, Bernie could be handed the nom. With Hillary, one can’t be confident tomorrow’s news woon’t expose a legit and serious problem for her.
AdLib 7 days ago
KT–Not sure if Bernie has “blown” his campaign with his remark about Hillary being “unqualified”. However, saw a post on my facebook page tonight where people have waited in a line three and half city blocks long to see him in Philly. It’s a 20,000 seat arena, and supposedly it was already full and people were still lined up to get in. So…I still think he has a good chance. I just hate to see the Dems acting like repubs, but in all fairness, if Hillary has more delegates, then she should have the nom.
glenn
7 days ago
Some are already claiming that her Name is among the others on that list. Why, I don’t know.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
glenn – He is great at spinning crap into fool’s gold but I really think Trump has already become married to the idea that he will be President. And like all of his other marriages, he will soon be divorced from it.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad–don’t forget the FBI investigation into her emails. I think it’s a “tempest in a teapot”, but apparently there is some seriousness to the allegations, whatever they are!
glenn
7 days ago
I agree glenn. I would love to see Bernie win it. That would be pretty amazing.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
KT–If Bernie gets the nom, it certainly would restore my faith in the Democratic Party.
glenn
7 days ago
Mine too, glenn. I still have faith in the dem party, they just need progress. a little more.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
glenn – I don’t think so, this hyped up BS against Bernie for openly calling Hillary unqualified after Hillary said the same about him but in a sneakier way, is not going to help Hillary (or Bernie for that matter). They both attacked each other on the same “qualified” issue, there is no question about it, so I don’t see it making much of an impact aside from Hillary’s negs with Bernie voters rising.
AdLib 7 days ago
We’re still miles above the GOP. I realize though, that’s not saying much.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Ad–I don’t think trump had any idea how difficult it would be to run for president, and how much actual work he and his staff would have to do. You know, actually answer the question asked of you; have some consistent positions on issues; have a ground game in states where you’re not the “messiah”; things like that.
glenn
7 days ago
And Hillary needs Bernie voters, she’s shooting herself in the foot with her dishonest cries of “Sexism!” every time she doesn’t like Bernie criticizing her.
AdLib 7 days ago
We may be shooting ourselves in the foot by trashing Hillary, too. Man I can’t wait until we actual have a nominee. All this infighting is getting ridiculous. We need party cohesion, now more than ever.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Hey, folks, don’t be fooled by what might be in the Panama Papers. 99% of it is totaslly legit, and the rest a bit iffy, but legal. Don’t spread anything that might besmirch a candidate just because thy set up an account through panama
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
glenn – It is a possibility! Personally, I doubt anything problematic will be found against Hillary but it could happen. Then the Dems would need to turn to another nominee and that’s why Bernie needs to stay in.
AdLib 7 days ago
KT, couldn’t agree more
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
KT–I agree; I just wish Dems would quit attacking each other like repubs and stick to the issues. It was so refreshing to see both Bernie and Hillary talking about issues and refraining from attacking each other in the beginning of their campaigns. “Stay above the fray” is a good motto, IMO>
glenn
7 days ago
Absolutely glenn. The Bernie or Busters worry me, though. They could really fuck up the election for us.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Let’s face it. everyone in the race has skeletons. So we just need to pick the one with the least odious skeletons.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
glenn – I think the failures Trump is having with delegate selection underlines how unprepared and ignorant he is about the process. He just thought he could blabber hatred and win. Sorry Donald, you have to be slimier than that, look at Teddy boy!
AdLib 7 days ago
KT agree. Bernie needs to set the Busters straight, or else we het a GOP Prez. (shudder)
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
KT–I know; those “Bernie or Busters” are a problem. IMO, they are just like the “purists” in the gop who have to have it their way or the highway. It just doesn’t make any sense to me to hand the election to trump or whoever the gop nom is. The press is doing a good enough job of cheerleading for trump; Dems don’t need to give him more ammo.
glenn
7 days ago
it really does worry me. They are too similar to the tea baggers, no truth or logic seems to sink in. It’s embarrassing.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
KT – Some Bernie supporters are trashing Hillary but that’s a minority. Many, like me, criticize her based on what she says and does as I do with all candidates, Dem or Repub. When she does something unethical, I’ll always call her out and tag her on it. At the same time, since he said it, I’ve been criticizing Bernie for his “unqualified” attack on her. That was wrong.
AdLib 7 days ago
They act like spoiled brats. All idealism, with no real sense of the world at large.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
KT, that’s the current generation for you. all soundbites!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
PPO – I haven’t heard anything about the Clintons being in the Panama Papers, just used it as an example of a scandal coming out of nowhere. With the Clintons, knowing they aren’t the most transparent people, it’s possible.
AdLib 7 days ago
Well that’s honest. The Busters can’t even be honest. To hear them talk, Hillary is the devil. No ifs ands or butts. There are quite a few of them over at Salon. Mostly all new screen names.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Ad, yes, berbie’s attack was wrong, and that will now give the GOP a point to hammer Hillary with. Big mistake, Big. Huge
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Ad–I think trump is pretty slimy; he is also stupid, IMO. He has no idea how our government works–hell, he doesn’t even know the name of the agency he wants to dismantle–nor does he have any idea how the process of elections work, as you say. In some ways, you can understand how he felt that way. All of his life, people have kowtowed to him because of his money, and now it’s a whole new world outside of his bubble.
glenn
7 days ago
they’re pampered, P. I doubt many of them ever fell on hard times, that’s why they seem to have no though for the poor and disadvantaged, if a republican gets in. All they care about are their precious “principles.”
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
I’ve seen Bernie supporters whining that they will never vote for Hillary and would vote for Jill Stein if Bernie lost and I’ve read Hillary supporters calling all Bernie supporters sexist and naive/ignorant. Unfortunately, this happens in primaries. In 2008 it was far worse between Hillary and Obama, Hillary and Bill used racism against Obama repeatedly, it was much uglier.
AdLib 7 days ago
KT. Principles??? The GOP have principles? (Photo of cat laughing)
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
And yet, after Hillary and Bill graciously admitted defeat and worked hard for Obama, all was forgiven and the party came together. Hillary has a lot of fence mending if she wins, she’s stooped pretty low repeatedly against Bernie.
AdLib 7 days ago
I know P. They seem to have no sense of reality. Seriously. I have no doubt most of them are young. Definitely idealistic. No pragmatic vision.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
BRB
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
PPO – I disagree, the GOP is not going to use Bernie as their sage of wisdom nor use the same attack and say Hillary is unqualified because she accepted contributions from Wall Street and supported the Iraq War…those are THEIR positions too!
AdLib 7 days ago
Yep, that’s HIllary’s style. She’s in it to win it Ad. She’s been working toward this her entire professional life. She wants
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
it bad
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
glenn – Who woulda thunk that we’d have a leading GOP candidate this year that made Rick Perry look smarter about government?
AdLib 7 days ago
i do enjoy the way SNL mocks HIllary. Pretty funny stuff.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Hey America, free steaks for all.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
KT–at the risk of making Hillary out to be a victim, she has worked hard for this nom; and although she has made some mistakes in this campaign and in her 2008 campaign; I think she’s no different than any male politician; her husband included!
glenn
7 days ago
I agree, glenn. They’re all of the same breed, basically. it’s just a matter of degree of sleaziness.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Ad–ain’t that the truth? Perry must be laughing at trump big time!
glenn
7 days ago
KT – That’s one reason that some Bernie supporters have become so anti-Hillary, she’s using an old and transparent playboook that they recognize as inauthentic. She started this campaign attacking Obama and calling herself a moderate then when Bernie started looking like a threat, she’s Obama’s BFF and adopted all of Bernie’s progressive stands. She doesn’t seem authentic, she just seems focused on winning and the games she plays only upset them more.
AdLib 7 days ago
Maybe Trump should start wearing some “smart glasses.”
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
They’re naive, for the most part. I will say they’re hearts are in the right place. Politics has always been a dirty business.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Hey, at this point, I’d vote for Mickey Mouse, if I thought that would keep a republican out of the white house.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
glenn – I think it is a mistake to validate Hillary’s tactical claim of “sexism” whenever she is attacked. All candidates for President get attacked, male or female. I have an issue with Hillary often playing the “sexist” card so often just to criticisms. That said, I don’t think she is entitled to the nom, no matter how hard she has campaigned for it. That’s not how a nom should be won, it should be won due too the support in a party that one has.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad–here’s my take on what you just wrote about Hillary. Isn’t that a good thing? That she “adjusts” her positions to reflect the “will of the people”? I have a real problem with people accusing any pollitican of “pandering”. Isn’t that what a representative is supposed to do? Represent our interests? It’s not just Hillary; it’s all politicians. If they don’t change their minds; then they’re “rigid”; if they do, then they’re “pandering”.
glenn
7 days ago
That’s a very good point, glenn.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
I may not have said that as well as I could have; but I do think that moving Hillary more to the left is a good thing.
glenn
7 days ago
They’re applying for a job, and they have to sell themselves to get it. Not something I would want, personally.
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
glenn – The question is, is Hillary just temporarily adopting the 180 degree turns she’s made on issues just to get elected? Would she make another 180 degree flip once elected? I honestly don’t know. It is hard to trust someone who hasn’t held the same convictions for a long time, if they could flip overnight one way, might they not flip the other way overnight in the future?
AdLib 7 days ago
well folks, I gotta go. Take care, all!
KillgoreTrout
7 days ago
Seeya KT!
AdLib 7 days ago
KT–I agree; I wouldn’t want to be a politician for all the money in the world. And, I do think Hillary has had some pretty consistent positions over the years; she has been standing up for women’s rights for many years. Saw an article the other day about how she has spoken out for women’s rights since she was First Lady of AK, so that is a plus in her column, IMO.
glenn
7 days ago
‘Nite, KT. Have a good weekend. Thanks for the music thread every weekend!
glenn
7 days ago
glenn – What’s of concern is that it came out at the beginning of the race that Hillary was going to move far left in the primary to outflank Bernie and any other Progressives, then move back to the “center” in the GE. That is the standard playbook for Presidential candidates, Bill used it too. The issue is that many have grown unhappy with that game and don’t want to see it played on them again. Will Hillary retain her Progressive stands permanently? I don’t know but I knoow she’d be far better even as a center-right President than anything the Repubs would offer.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad–do you think they’re 180 degree turns? Or just a degree to the left? And, I agree, that is the dilemma? Do you trust her to stick to the position she adopted during the campaign? I do think her feet will be held to the fire, if she is elected, by the Dems in Congress. That’s what I was saying was my dilemma about the difference between “pandering” and doing the “will of the people.”
glenn
7 days ago
And, I agree she would be a far better president than any repub. I also have to admit; I’d like to see a woman president. I’d rather it be Elizabeth Warren; but Hillary can “set the stage” for Warren; that works for me!
glenn
7 days ago
So, now I’ve “said my little piece”; it’s time for me to go too. Have a good weekend, Ad, and thanks for letting me vent!
glenn
7 days ago
glenn, I long for the day that the best person for the job is elected with no surprise that it might be male, female, convertible, black white or purple.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
‘night, glenn
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
PPO–right on! Have a good weekend, and stay healthy!
glenn
7 days ago
glenn – Not on all issues but on many issues including the TPP, gay marriage, NAFTA, The Crime Bill, etc. she’s done a 180. Polls show that a wide majority of Americans see her as untrustworthy, something like 57% against 29% who see her as trustworthy. Even though some of that is due to Repub BS attacks, the email server and some of her campaign tactics have damaged confidence in her credibility.
AdLib 7 days ago
thnaks, mate1
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
oops, thannks, mate!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Night glenn! You know I respect and appreciate your support of Hillary. We may both be saying the same after the Summer!
AdLib 7 days ago
Who trusts ANY politician, Ad? I certainly don’t.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
PPO – Just sayin’ but Bernie gets around 80% trustworthy numbers. I trust Obama and Warren and a number of others.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad–true, I guess. I do think alot of the “untrustworthiness” is from the repub BS attacks, though. Okay, I’m done now; and I appreciate your keeping me straight. It’s not that I support Hillary more than Bernie; I really would like to see Bernie win; I just think Hillary does get a bum rap sometimes. Okay, I’m really going now! G’nite!
glenn
7 days ago
Appreciate that glenn, I want Bernie or Hillary to win, of course.
AdLib 7 days ago
glenn, ad. I agree generally that Bernie is more ‘trustworthy’ than Hillary, but feel she would get elected sooner than he. We’re all on the same page, but with different emphasis. And that’s a good thing. Well, it seems an early night for you, ad, as I’ve got to go walking this afternoon(Sat) for my leg to heal. So Cheerio for now.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Get that leg strong and happy! Feel well and have a great weekend!
AdLib 7 days ago
Cheers and #DumpfDrumpf!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Perfect!
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