Our live chat accompanying tonight’s Democratic debate begins at 6:00pm PST. Hope to see you then!
AdLib 2 days ago
You can live stream the debate using this link:
AdLib 2 days ago
Don’t forget to say “Hi!’ or “Let’s Get Ready to Rumble!”
AdLib 2 days ago
It’s nice to see PBS moderators for a change!
AdLib 2 days ago
Hey PPO!
AdLib 2 days ago
Hey ad! Didn’t know this was on! Will be in and out to see what happens. How long to kickoff?
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Happening right now, just started!
AdLib 2 days ago
The link to the live stream is above.
AdLib 2 days ago
Got it. Bernie’s on about the Wall St crooks geeting off
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
He is hammering that one a bit.
AdLib 2 days ago
I hate opening statements because they are necessarily PR.
AdLib 2 days ago
Drone drone drone.
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Yep. Hillary is delivering hers now, both of their openings are uninteresting to me because of their nature.
AdLib 2 days ago
Hey Escrib!
AdLib 2 days ago
Hi folks!
escribacat
2 days ago
Hi, escrib!
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
I’m kinda tired of debates, to be honest.
escribacat
2 days ago
yadda yadda yadda after awhile
escribacat
2 days ago
Huh? A short break after the opening statements? I hate this, it’s a new aspect of debates.
AdLib 2 days ago
PBS taking breaks? Sigh!
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
That was fast.
escribacat
2 days ago
Escrib – I know what you mean but thank goodness for the Sat GOP debate that exposed Rubio. I don’t expect this debate will change much but it will confirm to the nation how mature and thoughtful the Dems are compared to the Repubs.
AdLib 2 days ago
Yeah, that was wonderful. Thank you Christie!
escribacat
2 days ago
I’m still here….but starting to feel a bit freaked out about the whole election. Getting too emotional
escribacat
2 days ago
escrib – It was a win-win, knocked Rubio and Christie out in one blow!
AdLib 2 days ago
Good result that, ad for sure. but Bernie’s now pitching the same pitch as usual.
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
PPO – True, it’s that “staying on message” thing.
AdLib 2 days ago
Someone called Bernie an FDR liberal…was that here?
escribacat
2 days ago
The mikes are messed up, I’m hearing the pops of their breaths in them, are you?
AdLib 2 days ago
LOL. No pops here!
escribacat
2 days ago
Poor Bernie is losing his voice
escribacat
2 days ago
No pops
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Hi KT
escribacat
2 days ago
Hey KT!
AdLib 2 days ago
Hi KT
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Het e! What’s up ad? PPO is in da house.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
PPO what time is it there?
escribacat
2 days ago
Single payer!
escribacat
2 days ago
13.16 Friday afternoon
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
If Hillary took them on, how come they still charge so much?
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Wow, you lost a day (hehe)
escribacat
2 days ago
Hillary tried to do reform but didn’t get very far — during Clinton years
escribacat
2 days ago
Nah, escrib, just we’re further ahead of the rest of the World!
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
I haven’t heard Hillary explain how we cover the remaining 29 million Americans covered who aren’t under the ACA, does anyone here know?
AdLib 2 days ago
Ad I suspect those folks aren’t covered because they’re too lazy to go get covered (eg, my silly nephew)
escribacat
2 days ago
Ooo, Hillary looks a bit miffed.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Bernie doesn not mention the QUALITY of the health care in other countries, e.g. Waiting lists?
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
escrib – Heh! I think a good portion are in the red states where the poorest can’t get the Medicaid benefit.
AdLib 2 days ago
PPO – Is that how it is in Australia?
AdLib 2 days ago
I’ve heard of waiting lists in Canada but you can also buy your own additional insurance to get around it
escribacat
2 days ago
Ad, a fair problem here, but horrible in the UK
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Yes, escrib – same here and UK, BUT… That costs big time. Admittledy not the same as the US, but there is almost NO FREEE healthcare antwhere.
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
universal healthcare would be like the VA. i’m not saying that’s really bad. The VA has gotten much, much better in the last two decades.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
PPO – What do you wait for, surgeries? Appointements? Very curious. Would you prefer a system more like the US has, a privatized health care system?
AdLib 2 days ago
KT I’ve heard great things about the VA!
escribacat
2 days ago
It’s really not bad now. They’ve never let me down.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
KT – Medicare works too and has private suppliment plans available.
AdLib 2 days ago
Ad, if you have a non-life threatening malady and don’t have private cover, you can wait years for treatment. BTW, hip replacement is no life threatening!
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
KT, the VA helps one of my brothers, who was “evicted” from the Navy for mysterious reasons
escribacat
2 days ago
That was uncalled for, Bernie.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Ooops bernie. Snark!
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
PPO – Really? Hip replacement could take years?!
AdLib 2 days ago
PPO, that’s what I heard…people waiting forever in Canada for hip replacements
escribacat
2 days ago
Didn’t like Bernie snapping at Hillary like that.
AdLib 2 days ago
I missed that.
escribacat
2 days ago
Yes, Ad, in some areas of Australia and UK. Depends on local Gov’t funding
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
People are all getting way too snappy. You should see the lefties at Rawstory crapping all over John Lewis now for endorsing Hillary. It’s really bad.
escribacat
2 days ago
Oh, it does get SO much better in election years! funny that
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
That worries me e. Too much dem infighting.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Can’t we all just get along?
escribacat
2 days ago
doesn’t seem so e.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
This is a short response?
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
escrib – Hate to hear that but John Lewis was also out of line. He basically called Bernie a liar when Bernie’s involvement in the Civil Rights movement is well documented. Very surprised and disappointed in Lewis.
AdLib 2 days ago
Is he a close friend of Hillary, do you know? I’ve always admired Lewis. Can’t imagine him lying!
escribacat
2 days ago
Here we go on the female demographic
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
escrib – Lewis is playing the typical game of politics and that is disappointing. He didn’t lie but he said he never saw Bernie working with the civil rights movement in the 1960’s, casting aspersions on Bernie’s honesty. That was out of line.
AdLib 2 days ago
BRB – need a gasper
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Hate the pandering to blacks, women, etc. So manipulative.
AdLib 2 days ago
They’re voters Ad.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
She’s “appealing” to blacks, not pandering.
escribacat
2 days ago
Just like Bernie! They are both politicians
escribacat
2 days ago
KT – And that’s scary. I’ve seen some interviews with SC voters and it’s frightening. An older woman supporting Rubio had only one reason she was voting for him, “He’s cute!”
AdLib 2 days ago
It doesn’t scare me. It’s basically politics as usual.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
All’s fair in love, war and politics.
funksands
2 days ago
That’s democracy, eh?
escribacat
2 days ago
escrib – Not singling out either of them, both are pandering to blacks, Hillary got the “woman” question and then pandered on that. They’re both doing it.
AdLib 2 days ago
True funk!
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Hey Funk!
AdLib 2 days ago
I like Hillary’s jacket.
funksands
2 days ago
Hi everyone
funksands
2 days ago
I know. Bernie is better at it. He does sound more sincere
escribacat
2 days ago
Funk, I hate that jacket Yellow is not her color.
escribacat
2 days ago
And endorsements are annoying! People should vote as an exercise in “Follow the Leader”?
AdLib 2 days ago
Really? I thought it suited her. But what do I know? lol
funksands
2 days ago
Goldfinger!
AdLib 2 days ago
Haha I’m a slob myself so who am I to talk
escribacat
2 days ago
Good point Ad. Endorsements don’t really impress me.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Ad, especially since many have to change their endorsement by the time the convention comes around.
funksands
2 days ago
But it is interesting that Hillary has a big pile and Bernie has almost no endorsements. What’s that about?
escribacat
2 days ago
E-cat, I have a theory about that. It’s a bit cynical but I think there is a kernel of truth in it.
funksands
2 days ago
In an ideal nation, elections should be about character, vision and positions on the issues. Instead, it’s about gotchas in debates, endorsements, pandering, etc.
AdLib 2 days ago
A) She’s the Democrat in the race
funksands
2 days ago
People are afraid of being labeled a “socialist.”
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Ad, so true.
escribacat
2 days ago
Funk, yes, that must be a huge part of it. The dem establishment hates Bernie for the same reason the GOPers hate Trump.
escribacat
2 days ago
B) They will genuflect to the DNC because they want funding and support for their own re-election bid.
funksands
2 days ago
Not a team player with the party
escribacat
2 days ago
End the war on drugs and mandatory minimum sentencing.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
escrib – Bill was President and head of the Dem Party, he and she have been prepping for her run by helping finance many of the campaigns of those who support them. The Dem Establishment is behind Hillary.
AdLib 2 days ago
Yeah, that makes sense, ad. And smart of them as politicians. Bernie should have thought of that
escribacat
2 days ago
Funk – I sure hope that either one of them wins clearly through the primaries. If Superdelegates swing the nom, the Dem Party will explode.
AdLib 2 days ago
I am worried about Bloomberg
escribacat
2 days ago
I’m a worrier!
escribacat
2 days ago
I don’t have facebook. Is anyone of us asking questions to the panel? I’d love to ask Bernie, if Obama had so much trouble with a hostile congress how does HE think he can get anything done?
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Put an end to the para-military police departments we have in this country. They’re police, not Marines.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Good point KT
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
I think most everyone endorsed John Kerry in 2004 for example, even though another Senator was in the race
funksands
2 days ago
PPO, I think they’ll just walk out if Bernie gets elected.
escribacat
2 days ago
KT, quit giving the PDs leftover military stuff
escribacat
2 days ago
escrib – The irony is, I think Hillary is more vulnerable to Bloomberg taking Dem voters but Bloomberg seems to think if Hillary wins the nom, there’s less of a path for him.
AdLib 2 days ago
PPO, Bernie has said time and again that he will need our help. He has said he won’t get much done without us. Obama has been saying the same thing since he was a candidate. It’s true. We need to rid our congress of of the rabid RW virus.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
I don’t know about that Ad, I remember the Superdelegate drama in 2008 and everyone eventually aligned behind Obama.
funksands
2 days ago
PPO – Why not ask that to both of them? How will Hillary get anything through a Repub House that hates her as much as they hate Obama?
AdLib 2 days ago
Bloomberg wouldn’t be that big of a dick. I can’t imagine it.
funksands
2 days ago
You’re right, Ad. ask them both!
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
BINGO, Bernie. Exactly.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Ad, did BLoomberg say that?
escribacat
2 days ago
Remember folks, ex-cons can’t vote.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Ad, I agree that Hillary will have the same problem with congress as bernie
escribacat
2 days ago
I think Bloomberg is just bored
funksands
2 days ago
Mid-term elections, folks.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
That wouldn’t go over in my town. Revolving door with burglar/junkies.
escribacat
2 days ago
Race relations with President Obama got worse. I don’t think they got worse nationally. We’re just more aware of it.
funksands
2 days ago
Funk – Exactly, Superdelegates should be used only in case of fire, if a Trump-lik candidate was on the verge of taking the nom.
AdLib 2 days ago
Funk, exactly. The issue came to the fore
escribacat
2 days ago
There would no longer be the big bad boogie man in the white house.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
escrib – Not directly but people close to him have said he’s waiting to see if Hillary wins the nom or not…but he’s got to make a guess by April or it will be too late to get on ballots.
AdLib 2 days ago
Ad, Bernie is the wild card, but the “good” thing about the DNC is that its nearly as powerless as the RNC. It won’t be able to pull a 1968, it doesn’t have the power anymore
funksands
2 days ago
Kt you mean the big black bad boogie man.
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
President Blackenstein
funksands
2 days ago
Racism went underground for decades. Now, the RW has brought it completely above ground now. They don’t even pretend to not be racist any longer.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Yep. That one.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Sadly true observation, KT
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Ad, I think we’ll know by april who is getting the nom. I hope so anyway
escribacat
2 days ago
They’ve tossed their dog whistles.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Funk – Yep, that was disappointing. Having a black president actually threw gasoline on the fires of racism. Not Obama’s fault, he did absolutely the best he could but it’s out of his hands. Insecure white people just had to face that they are losing their superiority and racism exploded.
AdLib 2 days ago
No doubt Bernie.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
If Bernie pulls off Nevada and makes it close in S. Carolina Hillary is in trouble. But he’s got a huge mountain to climb. Bigger than I think most Bernie supporters realize.
funksands
2 days ago
Ad, and Trump has now made it fashionable to express your racism in a loud voice
escribacat
2 days ago
How you going to do that, Bernie? Great ideas.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
LOL!
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
funk, that is my impression. Bernie doesn’t have the black vote, from what I’ve read
escribacat
2 days ago
Ad, its why they’re all experiencing declining life expectancy. The poison inside of a majority of older white men is literally killing them.
funksands
2 days ago
funk, I see that in a lot of men around me
escribacat
2 days ago
Funk – Dems won’t sit by to watch the DNC pick a President in smoke filled rooms anymore. The Superdelegates should only come into play if a loony was on the way to win the nom, not just to pick between two legit candidates.
AdLib 2 days ago
But women too
escribacat
2 days ago
Hatred is extremely caustic, to the hater, as well as the hated.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
E-cat. It’s a challenge for him. He’s really starting to make gains in the latino voting bloc, but the black vote eludes him right now.
funksands
2 days ago
Why is that, funk?
escribacat
2 days ago
Shades of Bobby Kennedy!
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Hillary seems to be going against Obama in the Coalfields. what can she do?
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
escrib – In 2008, Obama didn’t get the Congressional Black Caucus endorsing him or have the majority of blacks supporting him in SC…until after he won in IA and campaigned in SC. Stay tuned, especially the younger black vote could move towards Bernie now.
AdLib 2 days ago
Ad has some good theories. I think its name recognition, I think its because she’s the Democrat, I think that an old white jew is a little harder sell than a Clinton.
funksands
2 days ago
Poverty has no color.
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Hillary opposes Obama’s policy on coal then, his plan is to retrain and get them to build and work in the renewable industry.
AdLib 2 days ago
How can either of them get back the lost jobs in the US?
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
They work at Wal Mart and get food stamps
escribacat
2 days ago
PPO I don’t see how. Until the wages in China and Vietnam go up
escribacat
2 days ago
COmpanies are so big, they’ll just move their whole operation offshore if we say they can’t have factories in China
escribacat
2 days ago
Funk – The Clinton rep is very supportive of the black community…despite many of Bill’s policies that have profoundly harmed them.
AdLib 2 days ago
PPO – I think we need government to finance more infrastructure and renewable energy jobs, that would greatly increase jobs and wages.
AdLib 2 days ago
But we can’t bring back corporatiions fleeing for tax havens…we can tax them heavier and reduce those taxes for companies returning.
AdLib 2 days ago
Ad, yes, but can Congress steel itself to fund those plans?
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Pink no. Nothing is going to happen in Congress for 4 more years. That said, I think Bernie’s nomination gives the Dem Congressional candidates a more exciting platform to run on. That’s my theory anyway. I expect the Senate to be 50-50 and the GOP to hold the house.
funksands
2 days ago
Bernie should stop questioning his memory. Not good, Bernie. Now the RW will be saying your senile.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
PPO – Realistically, I think we need a President to use the bully pulpit because a Repub House doesn’t want to pass the spending we really need. This is a long term effort, neither Hillary or Bernie will get most of what they support passed until possibly their second term (but they need to make it to a second term).
AdLib 2 days ago
KT – They’ll say it anyway.
AdLib 2 days ago
KT, wait til the rightwing starts bitching about his applying for a CO.
escribacat
2 days ago
The biggest economic collapse in nearly 100 years didn’t create any urgency with the GOP to lift a finger to help the nation, why would future problems do so?
funksands
2 days ago
Sorry, guys, waht’s a CO?
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
TRue, but Bernie doesn’t need to give them ammunition.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
conscientious objector
escribacat
2 days ago
OH, OK
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Hill, did you stop taking money from the private prison industry?
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Funk – They won’t, which is why the game plan would seem to be, whip up the public to help take back Congress in 2022, after the next census and redistricting. This is a very long game but it could be won.
AdLib 2 days ago
Ad, it’s our only hope. How do the Democrats get their shit together between now and then? I don’t know.
funksands
2 days ago
2022 ???????
escribacat
2 days ago
Did you know that when Bill Clinton changed “welfare as we know it”, the $9 billion cut from welfare went to building and funding prisons?
AdLib 2 days ago
Funk – It will be very difficult but that’s the only path I see.
AdLib 2 days ago
Ad are you saying you don’t think dems will get congress back until 2022?
escribacat
2 days ago
escrib – Dems simply can’t overcome Repubs in the House without a miracle until their gerrymandering can be undone. And that can’t happen until the next census in 2020.
AdLib 2 days ago
How the hell did they get away with that?
escribacat
2 days ago
I think Dems will take back the Senate this year though.
AdLib 2 days ago
Ad, unfortunately I concur. It will take an unknown seismic event to shift this dynamic.
funksands
2 days ago
They’d better, Ad. It’s up to us.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Those things happen though. 9-11, Iraq, the Economic Collapse all had a hand in the Democrats rise to power in 2006 and 2008
funksands
2 days ago
Just cancel a couple invasions to pay for it
escribacat
2 days ago
I’m not seeing any flag pins on stage tonight. WTF?
funksands
2 days ago
Escrib – In 2010, under their fearmongering on Obamacare and with The Great Resession not improving enough, they promised jobs, jobs, jobs. All lies but it led to the huge vistories they had that year which allowed them to gerrymander after the 2010 census.
AdLib 2 days ago
I remember the jobs jobs jobs. But my impression is they won because they were white white white
escribacat
2 days ago
Hey e, I think we could without a few Navy warships, and multi-million dollar tanks, that just sit in a government lot, collecting dust.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
KT, it’s obscene how much money they spend on a single batman jet or whatever they call the dang things
escribacat
2 days ago
Ad, the other issue is that Dems need to take back Statehouses and Governorships and the DNC isn’t paying very much attention to those races
funksands
2 days ago
Yes, it e.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Puppy biting my foot!
escribacat
2 days ago
bite him back e. 
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
I try. He thinks it means “Let’s play!”
escribacat
2 days ago
LOL!
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Nope Hillary, don’t obscure how money buys access and influence.
AdLib 2 days ago
nice to see them be civil with each other. No food fight.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
KT, I agree!
escribacat
2 days ago
can’t stand lefties ripping each other up
escribacat
2 days ago
Yes, I prefer a debate of issues, not anger.
AdLib 2 days ago
Me neither e.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Bernie supporters: Are there any specific positions that Bernie favors that you disagree with?
funksands
2 days ago
Both of you, Item One on day one. Repeal citizens United
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
funk, I am just afraid Bernie, at times, may be a bit unrealistic. I love his ideas, but how will they translate in the real world?
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
I took a quiz on bernie issues, got 97% agreement with his platform. But I haven’t decided who I’m voting for yet!
escribacat
2 days ago
Funk – Yes, don’t agree with his previous positioon on gun control and liability. But he has changed that.
AdLib 2 days ago
KT — I think that’s my issue with Bernie ….
escribacat
2 days ago
Hillary is more specific. More managerial. He’s more heartfelt
escribacat
2 days ago
KT, I get that. Do you mean will they work? Or do you mean will they ever exist in law?
funksands
2 days ago
Funk — how can he possibly pull it off? Obama couldn’t
escribacat
2 days ago
I mean, will they ever become law.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
You tell ’em, H!
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Ecat, he can’t. BUT he can attack. He can push the agenda, he can set the atmospherics. I’m fairly certain that he knows this.
funksands
2 days ago
Funk — very true. He has already pulled Hillary to the left
escribacat
2 days ago
Sorry, Bernie, but yes they are dumb!
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Glad Bernie said it stright up, why does Wall Street et al give money to politicians? Just out of generosity? Hillary does need to be more forthright about this.
AdLib 2 days ago
I had to laugh at that PPO. SOME of the American people aren’t dumb. But, we have an embarrassing number of really stupid people in America. I hate to admit it, but it’s true.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
I do have a disagreement with his college plan. I don’t think tuition should be free to everyone. I don’t have any interest in subsidizing students of wealthy families to go to school for free. I’d rather see a giant pools of scholarships to regular income kids instead.
funksands
2 days ago
Funk – Agree with you on free college for all. Should be based on an income level, those in the top 1% need not apply.
AdLib 2 days ago
BRB!
AdLib 2 days ago
And grades.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
What’s up Murph.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Break coming. BRB
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Just got in…..how is the debate going?
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Hey Murph!
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Hi Murph
escribacat
2 days ago
Everyone is being civil
escribacat
2 days ago
civil. Ans substance filled.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Boring for the media. No “fireworks!”
escribacat
2 days ago
Hi, KT….so much going on……many angry people in Mo but not many with power.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
I think they’re both okay. They both seem a bit tired. Which is natural. Not quite the barnburner pre-NH
funksands
2 days ago
Funk, Bernie is losing his voice.
escribacat
2 days ago
Hey Murph, have to pop away for a bit but make yourself at home!
AdLib 2 days ago
And so it goes………Murph.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Murph, they could always storm and occupy some federal buildings
funksands
2 days ago
oh, they’ve got to be pretty tired.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Funk, they’re turning themselves in, but they’re NOT surrendering, ya see?
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
KT, I don’t care what they call it, just make them go away.
escribacat
2 days ago
I think it’s hilarious that they don’t think turning themselves in is not surrendering. They be crazy!
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Yes obama did take millions from Wall St to get elected and proceeded to treat them with kid gloves for 7 years. That doesn’t mean causation, but its interesting.
funksands
2 days ago
Funk- we would have to have armed and wearing cowboy hats (and of course be white) to keep them safe.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Yes, I would like to make the military smaller, the TSA smaller for a start
funksands
2 days ago
with a nation of over 300 million people, we need a big government.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Until we restore balance in funding Funk the problem you lay out is going to be an ever present danger. How to do that?
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
KT, how dare you
funksands
2 days ago
i’m such a commie.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
pinko
funksands
2 days ago
lOL!
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
KT 
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
KT you are rather comely…..oh Commie!
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Murph, step 1: Democratic President
funksands
2 days ago
Step 2: Democratic Senate
funksands
2 days ago
that’s what the ladies say Murph. I mean, the “commie,”part.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Step 3: Scalia and Thomas die
funksands
2 days ago
Funk, step 3 Democratic SCOTUS
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
They can Take Roberts with them.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Comely also means agreeable, getting along, suitable…
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Kt, Alito!
funksands
2 days ago
Yeah, him too.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
KT- the music thread….I rest my case.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
That asshole is going to be around forever
funksands
2 days ago
HA!
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Excellent point Hillary
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Bernie has….got…to…step…up…his…FP elevator speech.
funksands
2 days ago
Weak reponse from Brnie
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Go get her
funksands
2 days ago
Libya is her weak spot if anyone bothers to exploit it
funksands
2 days ago
OMG
funksands
2 days ago
Libya!
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Funk, oh not fucking Benghazi again, please!
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
GO FOR THE KILL!!
funksands
2 days ago
Not Benghazi Pink
funksands
2 days ago
What should she have done regarding Libya, funk?
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
NO, don’t let her off the hook! Dammit
funksands
2 days ago
Funk…it is only a kill if people understand it….
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
He’s afraid to stick a knife in her. He better learn. She’s very willing
funksands
2 days ago
Some of us do know who he was
escribacat
2 days ago
Unintended consequences…….but also the intended (but hidden) consequences that were hoped for….
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
I like him better when he doesn’t stick a knife
escribacat
2 days ago
Great point Hillary. I’m so tired of hearing about her Iraq vote.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Bernie fidgets a lot and looks more exasperated than I have seen him before…
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Ooooo!
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
KT, she “made a mistake” with her Iraq vote and then turned around and was the primary leader and cheerleader for the bombing and deposing of Qaddafi, which created a vacuum that was filled with civil war, terrorism and now a failed state. SHE LEARNED NOTHING from her Iraq vote. That’s the point.
funksands
2 days ago
KT – her vote took place in a context which she explains pretty well…
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
I don’t know if she learned nothing from it.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
It is the main reason I’m not supporting her.
funksands
2 days ago
If qnyone fears unforseen consequences, nothing will get done
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Funk- but keeping Qaddafi – were there unintended consequences that could be foreseen there?
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
KT, she did learn one thing. Not to put ground troops in the country.
funksands
2 days ago
Nobody voted for what we actually did.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Valuable lesson.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
I think the context of Libya was entirely different from the context of Iraq.
escribacat
2 days ago
Funk……do you think Bernie can govern- his record in Congress is just so small….
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Murph, there was no end game in Libya. The French told her that an impending humanitarian crisis was about to explode and so we “regimed” them
funksands
2 days ago
The vote was simply to disarm Saddam. That was the vote., not regime change and occupation.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Funk…yes….and had he stayed would things be different….I don’t know.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Ecat, I don’t. I think we saw an opportunity to get rid of an asshole under a flimsy pretext and we ran with it.
funksands
2 days ago
Uh Oh! Come on Bernie, call him a war criminal. That’s what he is.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
KT, that was almost a bonus for you! Woo!
funksands
2 days ago
KT…how does one disarm another sovereign state…..what can that lead to….
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Disarm of WMD. of which, of course there were none.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
I don’t think that Bernie realizes he’s on split screen. lol
funksands
2 days ago
Not bad HIll.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Well discussed, Hillary
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Libya was part of the “Arab Spring” which looked very hopeful to me. Didn’t turn out that way but it looked promisng at the time and a good thing to support the people who wanted change. NOt so in Iraq.
escribacat
2 days ago
Bernie needs to verbally embrace that he doesn’t “know” as much as Hillary about FP. Use it as judo
funksands
2 days ago
Funk…yes and he looks impatient….and irritated…..
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Iraq was incorrectly associated with 9/11.
escribacat
2 days ago
Why bleat on about a war 40 years ago???
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
PPO I agree. They’re talking about Kissinger?
escribacat
2 days ago
Pink, partly because we seemed to learn nothing from it.
funksands
2 days ago
Funk, that’s true
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
brb
funksands
2 days ago
Wow, 40 years ago. Shit, I’m old.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
kt, me too
escribacat
2 days ago
Better than the alternative, e.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
hehe
escribacat
2 days ago
I’m starting to identify as a survivor
escribacat
2 days ago
LOL! Definitely. I really wonder at times, how I’m still alive and relatively healthy.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
kt, me too. I had a*wild* yute.
escribacat
2 days ago
life in the fast line can be tough on the old bod.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Bernie, if you cut back on Military spending, how can you bolster Europe against Putin?
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Politically PPO.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Bernie sounds like he’s got a cold.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
As one of those who was in Chicago at the infamous convention……Kissinger is anathema!
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Murph, you were there???
funksands
2 days ago
Wos
funksands
2 days ago
Wow
funksands
2 days ago
Funk….I was.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Have you ever written about that?
funksands
2 days ago
you talking about 68 Murph?
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
KT. I am.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
I may have to come down to Missouri to buy you a drink and listen to your story
funksands
2 days ago
Funk, I have.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
did you wear a helmet?
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Oh. Whoops.
funksands
2 days ago
Link? Pretty please?
funksands
2 days ago
I went to Kent State, the day after the shootings. Tense. Very tense.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
I was a kid…..very stupid….on the edge of it all…..and I was at Woodstock!
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Shit
funksands
2 days ago
You are way cooler than me
funksands
2 days ago
Both of you.
funksands
2 days ago
Funk….nothing on line……
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
wow both of you
escribacat
2 days ago
I protested Tipper Gore and her music censorship at my high school….
funksands
2 days ago
Funk, my link froze, so I went out og YouTube and back in. I’t OK now’
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
i lived not far from there, funk.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Funk….I was not cool in Chicago or at Woodstock…..
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
funk lol
escribacat
2 days ago
Sheesh
funksands
2 days ago
How’d you make it to Woodstock Murph?
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Tipper GOre is such a drip
escribacat
2 days ago
Ha! Ecat, that’s a great description.
funksands
2 days ago
e, she hates Frank Zappa!
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Frank Zappa is de debil!
escribacat
2 days ago
KT….I had a friend who wrote for Tiger Beat Magazine and I traveled with him.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
I bet your eyes were wide open.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Palpable hit, Hillary
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
don’t you eat that yellow snow!
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
KT….I was a kid raised in a navy family who spent nearly five years in a British Prep School…not a natural for the Woodstock crowd.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Murph that’s adorable. 
funksands
2 days ago
Hillary wins every foreign affairs interchange……
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
I take it you didn’t do the Brown acid!
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
KT, I ate every color of acid.
escribacat
2 days ago
Yep that is the mag….trash!
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
As she should Murph. She may not have been the greatest Sos, but she does know what she’s talking about.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Me too e. And shapes.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
me too and paper
escribacat
2 days ago
blotter paper
escribacat
2 days ago
KT….pot…..that was it. My friend was far more savvy than I and we had a VW van that was equiped for concert events. He is still a writer…..
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Window pane.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
oh yea, forgot about window pane!
escribacat
2 days ago
Does he write free lance?
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
gawd, I’m probably legally insane
escribacat
2 days ago
I’m certified!
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
good on yaescribacat
2 days ago
KT…he went on to become a sociologist and a fine researcher…..culture and society…
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
You guys are all so funny…..and so fine…
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
sounds like a logical trajectory, Murp.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
is that like fine ‘you survived’ or fine ‘wonderful’ ?
escribacat
2 days ago
KT….briliant guy….he wrote for TB under five different names (which was their choice to make it look like they had a large staff)…..and was told in his senior year of college that he was way too good to be doing that.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Good speech by Bernie
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
figures.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
FDR and Churchill….how can one go wrong…
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
I would also say Bobby Kennedy and his brother.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
bobby, in his last few years.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Bobby yes. Teddy yes. Jack, not so much.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
FDR wasn’t a Democratic Socialist when he took office. Circumstances changed the man.
funksands
2 days ago
Churchill has a dark history with Ireland that no one talks about. Not such a great politician. Huge defeats in WWI at Gallipoli
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Jack was cheated.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Pink he also spearheaded the push for the coup in Iran
funksands
2 days ago
PPO…very good. You know your stuff.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
That’s my biggest beef against Bernie….pissing on Obama too much
escribacat
2 days ago
Pink, good point! That was an epic disaster
funksands
2 days ago
Uh Oh!
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Funk..you too! Churchill and Kissinger have much in common….I wonder if Bernie knows that.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
PPO, agree.. Churchhill has some baggage.
escribacat
2 days ago
hillary is giving him the “laser eyes.”
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Don’t get me wrong there was a lot to admire about the man, but was very flawed.
funksands
2 days ago
Ok guys, don’t jump in the gutter.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
My wife made me pause the tv. Grrrr
funksands
2 days ago
WTF….”one of us ran against Barack Obama” Yeah…in 2008. Sanders did call for a primary challenge to Obama in 2012.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
At least Bernie didn’t pull a Palin and say “All of the leaders”
funksands
2 days ago
And HOW can you achieve the ‘social revolution’, B?
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/07/22/277124/bernie-sanders-primary-obama/
Bernie Sanders Says It Would Be A ‘Good Idea’ To Primary President Obama
Recently, President Obama has faced fire from many in his own base for endorsing unpopular proposals that would include regressive cuts to Social Security
Bernie Sanders Says It Would Be A ‘Good Idea’ To Primary President Obama
Recently, President Obama has faced fire from many in his own base for endorsing unpopular proposals that would include regressive cuts to Social Security
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
March 16, 2011 WNYC: “If a progressive Democrat wants to run, I think it would enliven the debate, raise some issues, and people have a right to do that. I’ve been asked whether I am going to do that. I’m not. I don’t know who is, but in a democracy, it’s not a bad idea to have different voices out there.”
funksands
2 days ago
Hillary- far, far stronger closing than Bernie’s….wider vision…
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Agreed Murph.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Game, Set, Match, Hillary.
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Funk…..he made a number of statements……that was one of the more diplomatic ones.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Good debate….Good moderators.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
Murph, all of them seem pretty consistent.
funksands
2 days ago
Hillary, a strong finish.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Nice to have real journalists moderate, eh?
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Nor that the GOP watched, but Thats how to debate.
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
Totally agree Murph. The moderators were great. Only one detour into “horse-race” questions with the Albright reference. Very restrained and substantive
funksands
2 days ago
I thought it was great that CNN simul-cast it
funksands
2 days ago
PPO, the GOP has no substance. Hate and fear, hate and fear, that’s their meade.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
well, that was ‘interesting’. Don’t know if it will sway anyone not yet committed, but a good debate.
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
I think Bernie has a tough road ahead.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
I’m off to do the shopping now. great talking to everyone. see you on Vox tomorrow. cheers
pinkpantheroz
2 days ago
David Brooks? Really? Why?
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Good night all!
escribacat
2 days ago
Later PPO! see you tomorrow.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
KT, he does.
funksands
2 days ago
Nite Ecat
funksands
2 days ago
Night Pink
funksands
2 days ago
KT, Murph have a great one.
funksands
2 days ago
nIght all.
KillgoreTrout
2 days ago
Ad, thanks for putting this together
funksands
2 days ago
Take care y’all.
MurphTheSurf3
2 days ago
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