Vox Populi – 12-19-2014

Howdy everyone – be sure to check in when you arrive or no eggnog for you! Hope you can stop by, AdLib. Not a holiday party without you!

Ahem – in keeping with the ‘themes’ of the past few days, we ARE speaking of ‘enhanced eggnog’ of course…

‘Evening, CL and AdLib (if you’re still here). A cup of enhanced eggnog to you. What do you think my t-shirt should say? I think I should “honor” the dickster and go with “Up your nose with a rubber hose.” What do you think?

Evening, glenn – lovely to see you! Here’s your cuppa eggnog. I love your T-shirt slogan indeed! How’s life in the Deep South tonight?

glenn – may I add that I think your T-shirt slogan is in far better taste than what the dickster actually approved. Kudos, dear friend.

‘Afternoon, Everybody. Eggnog????? In mid Summer? Believe it or not, the Aussies actually do the whole Winter Christmas thing here, in 100F heat!

PPO – I would love to be in Aussieland were it not summer at Christmas. I’m way too Northern Hemisphere for that. How are you?

CL–Well, considering where the dickster’s nose is, because that where his face is, there’s really not much difference is there? But thanks for the kudos. And, it’s too damn cold here in the deep south. But now that the cold weather has settled in for winter, I’ll be complaining about the cold for the next couple of months, so you can feel free to ignore me when I complain about the weather. Only when I complain about the weather, mind you.

Hi, CL, doing OK. Lots of tragedy in Australia right now. but we’re getting over it.

glenn – LOL!! We have copious rain, we NEED the rain, and yes, we’re still complaining about it! One is never happy.

Hey PPO! Hope you kept your cool in the heat!

hi all

PPO – tomorrow I’m joining Muslims in memory and anguish over what has happened there. YOU will be in my heart.

Hey Harleigh–how are you?

Hey, glenn, aircon on full. no probs

Hi Harleigh! How are you?

PPO – if you can turn the A/C up full tilt, do you pretend it’s northern winter on Christmas?

Thanks, CL. #Illridewithyou

Hangin inthere. rough week for the aussies. WTH?

PPO–I was so sorry to hear of the tragedy in your beautiful country.

We are adopting and embracing #illridewith you. Bless you all for that!

hi CL. good trip?

CL, nah, you need a Cold Store to do that, and I don’t happen to have one right now!

harleigh – yes, good trip. But glad as all get out to be home.

Hi, Harleigh, SLM

PPO–Can you tell me more about #Illridewithyou?

Hi SLM! Harleigh and SLM – there is ‘enhanced eggnog’ awaiting you.

mmmmm egg nog…..

Hey SLM–how’s it going?

Harleigh – ENHANCED eggnog…

Hi all, and yummy egg nog…

CL it will pair nicely with my most splendid smoke. LOL

I need a vote 0 do we enhance the eggnog with brandy or rum or something else?

Harleigh–is that a cuban smoke?

Harleigh – and a puff, puff, puff, pass to you…

glenn, it started the day of the gostage crisis. A muslim lady in Adelaide was on a bus and took off her hijab to avoid any abuse. The person beside her told her to put it back on and said she would walk with her to keep her safe. A Sydney woman heard about this and, because transpoert was snarled in Sydney, offered anybody who needed a ride home , Muslim or not. Then #illridewithyou went global.

Hiya Glenn – finally feeling the holiday spirit and you?

PPO – can you tell us more about #illridewith you?

CL–Depends on what the something else is.

glenn – YOUR call, dear heart!

Sorry about the sperlng.

PPO! LOL!

Pink – this has been an awful week for the innocent

LOL I think its like good hand tended non tobacco.

PPO-That’s a wonderful heartwarming story, and perfect for the season of peace and goodwill toward men and women.

SLM – tomorrow the Muslim and interfaith communities in Sacramento are holding a vigil for all who have died so horrifically. It’s all we can do. It’s what we MUST do.

SLM, so right. But it seems that the locals are pushing back against the Taliban and ISIL at last.

PPO – out of the horror, at least this has come.

CL–Isn’t rum traditional for eggnog?

BRB

yep, and cinamon

glenn – brandy is my ‘go to’ for ‘enhancement’.

I like it with dark rum and cloc

clove

Harleigh – nutmeg.

SLM – CLOVE? wow never did that.

Harleigh–I love cinnamon, too. And nutmeg, too. Could do without the clove, please.

cl – go lightly

SLM – we are letting YOU pour your ‘enhancement’.

cl – ahhh… currently smoking mine

So – does anyone see a connection between the Taliban horrors and the shooting of young, Black men in the US? I think I do, but I’d like your take on it.

SLM – LOL!

uh folks… if we put all that stuff in a quart of eggnog and 2 quarts of 100 proof booze the I think we just made a concoction for a bomb!

Harleigh – shhhhh. The RW is watching us!

cl – just the nsa

SLM try a toke of this—–

cl – a connection or a correlation?

SLM – they actually aren’t. But I have been hacked by the extremists at work, so they’re whom I fear!

SLM – that is one of those questions the answer to which eludes me.

CL–For many years now, people on the left have been saying how much like the taliban our right wingers are. Yes, I see a connection. What I see is we have lost our humanity–our empathy for fellow human beings. It’s the constant harping on “the others” that really sets the stage for this kind of behavior by our police. All black people are criminals, just as all Muslims are bad.

I am more worried by the RWNJ nazis and torturers than anything in the ME

glenn – BAM. That is EXACTLY what I think is the common denominator.

Harleigh – I agree, but PPO and Pakistanis have reason to fear them both!

glenn – spot on

PPO – is #illridewith you actually producing real action? It makes me cry when I see the name – it’s so wonderful!

Hello Planeteers!

Hey Sabreen – I seeeeee you!

Sabreen – come on down. We have ‘enhanced eggnog’ with rum or brandy or something from Harleigh to smoke. All up to you.

We have to change it from home of the brave to home of the depraved… re: torture

Harleigh–I think it’s all connected. But, the constant harping on “the others” is so reminiscent of the nazis, it makes my skin crawl. I had a two-day “conversation” with a right winger this week who would not admit that if it’s wrong for terrorists to torture; it’s wrong for the US to torture.

Hi Sabreen

Hey everyone!

Hi Funk

SLM – I so respect PBO for releasing this report, along with Dianne Feinstein et al. who usually isn’t this principled.

FUNK! Come on down – we have ‘enhanced eggnog’ and anything you wish to smoke, the latter thanks to Harleigh.

Hey Sabreen, hey funk. How are you both?

CL – I feel like being greedy. I’ll take a little of everything

Sabreen – ’tis the season. Anything you like is fine with us.

cl – they need to set precedent by taking action

Well that’s might kind of you…

glenn and all – doing well for a foxy-old-broad

Sabreen–good to hear.

Sabren – just had a photo taken for re=registering as a lobbyist. Horrifying how old I looked! Not even foxy!

Glenn, doing pretty well. Crazy times, but that’s okay

cl – I very much doubt that

Choice, have you ever thought of having that tattoo removed?

I see kes and Murph are in the house!

Hi all.

Hi Murph

funk – you mean the one on my forehead? You think that’d help?

funk–so have a little enhanced eggnog, vent a little, and maybe it won’t seem so crazy.

Hey, kids! How’s your weekend starting?

Just give it some thought

Hey Murph, Hey Kes

Hi kes, Murph – lovely to have you here. Eggnog in all varieties awaits you at your pleasure.

Hi Kes – very pleasant and yours

Hiya Murph!

cl – is harleigh out of the chronic?

I shattered a giant bottle of gin in my car today. Could’ve have started better

I think I’m finally getting a grip on the Christmas shopping…

And kes – how goes it?

Kes–always a good start to the weekend with VOX.

funk – gin? Why in the car?

glenn – hear, hear

SLM chronic?

Funk, if you get pulled over that aroma is gonna cause you to do a little ‘splainin’

CL, YES! #Illridewithyou is camenting relations with all moderate Muslims. they even cooperated with the police during the seige and gave details of the gunman and the fact that he had been ostracized by the mainstream. He was the equivalent of the WestboroBaptist mob, sending vile letters to the families of deceased Army guys in Afghanistan.

Costco run for a holiday party this weekend. Lucky the other bottles didn’t break

Ahh, CL I bet you’re a knock-out!

harleigh – never heard that term?

You know whats awesome? I called Costco and told them what happened and they’re going to replace it for me no charge.

PPO – oh wow, that is WONDERFUL! Good for them. Good for all of YOU.

Sabreen – thank you, dear. I’m…OK.

Doing well, Sabreen. How about yourself? And Howdy to glenn and anyone else I may have missed there…

funk – that’s pretty amazing of Costco!

May I offer a word of explanation to one and all….I have been spending a lot of time at another site- a new one- helping them to get up and running. My absence from the Planet has been for lack of time.

I think I’ll try that with Costco… “I – uh – broke this bottle of gin…”

SLM – nope, whatsit meann?? LOL

funk/cl – that’s how businesses should treat their customers

harleigh – just what you think it means…

PPO–I swear, if my kids weren’t here, I’d move to Australia in a heartbeat. What a civilized country! I used to think people in my country had empathy for each other, but I lost more and more hope for my fellow Americans every day. Present company excepted, of course.

Murph – can you let us know what’s going on and how to access it? ALL good sites deserve our attention!

SLM, doesn’t happen much anymore

Murph… are you lending aid and comfort to the competition? 😆

glenn – that’s why Canada is on my radar – civilized behavior toward others.

BTW watch Speakers Corner on Dec 21. Those of you who read my article on Dad asked about my Mom. Well, I’ve something in the pipeline. It’s a video. Sorry if it is a bit long, but I hope you all enjoy.

funk – you can say that again

Looking forward to that very much, PPO!

CL–Canada, too.

PPO – I will love to see the video. Your article was amazing.

Glenn, Aussies have a dark side too. But otherwise you are correct. Wonderful country and people

Pink, looking forward to it! I really enjoyed your last offering.

The site is called Yabberz….very differnt from the Planet. I like it but for different reasons than I like the Planet.

funk – don’t we all have a dark side? But the US should be the last nation to carry it to extremes. We need to deal – REALLY deal – with our heritage of violence against people of color.

Murph–is it up and running now? Can you give us a little more info?

Murph – thanks – is it up yet?

murph – I really had a hard time navigating it the couple of times I visited

Anyone see PBO’s presser today?

Sabreen – nope. Missed it but heard really good things about it.

sabreen – recap please

Thanks, glenn. Of course, Australia has its share of RWNJs and bigots, but they are pulling their heads in just now. Come on Down Under and I’ll throw another shrimp on the barbie for you!

funk–I thought the whole idea of being human was to overcome your dark side, not pander to it. That’s what seems to be happening right now here.

PPO – be right down. Nothing I like more than shrimp on the barbie!

Yabberz.com is in beta and as SLM points out navigating is tricky. It is unlike any other site because it is not article based but comment based. I plan to split my time between Yabberz and Planet with a little Daily Kos once the site is stabilized.

Sabreen–the one where he called on only women and the foxbots’ heads exploded?

Glenn, you would think

glenn – is this the last gasp of people who desire separatism? I sure hope so.

cl – may it spread worldwide

Murph, “comment based”? Does it collect comments from other sites and then post it on its own site? Explain a bit

Fox right now is having a discusion on “The Year of the Emperor”- they are freaked out about Obama not knuckling under.

PPO–for sure, if I decide to go to Australia again, you’ll be first on the list to know. Second will be a friend with whom I taught in Guatemala. Still in touch with her sparadocally, would definitely look her up after you!

murph – they are obviously insane

Murph, not bad for “an incompetent lightweight who is in over his head”.

glenn – ahhhh – that explains the COMMENTS I heard on MSNBC about women in the media. I think that rocks! I got trashed by a local political reporter for asking a politician questions at the local Press Club. So the biases are far and wide.

Funk….it is a lot like the Planet in that main articles are generated by members but a point and activity algorithm keeps the most active conversions at the top of the threads and it has a very pliable navigation system. The two folks putting this together are brilliant when it comes to coding.

Over at Crooks and Liars, they keep insisting that PBO is a lightweight.

It was really good. First of all he called on ALL women. The guys on the front row threw a hissy fit after the presser. The press secy released a statement that women are often over looked although they cover the President day in and day out. He did not call on ONE TV “journalist” The topics covered were Cuba, Sony, Torture Report, Race etc. I think you may be able to watch it over at the Obama Diary. I cannot begin to do it justice. Lets just say he dropped serveral mics today.

CL, really? Odd

Sabreen – HOORAY for this president!!!

Murph–I think that our rwnj brigade thought that PBO would quake in his boots because of the midterms. I’m glad to see him come out swinging.

funk – yup. I am a member of the press club, and the old grump can’t stand me because I make points that leave his mouth hanging open. Not pretty I might add…

CL–Nothing like women doing the exact same thing me do to make some men’s heads explode, right?

I think Obama is going to spend the next two years in very sophisticated pay back. The media and GOP and cowardly dems better get used to it.

Sorry guys, but I gotta go and get the comestibles for Christmas. Please be safe and healthy over the Christmas . Oh, I’ll answer anything you want to ask after you watch the video. There will be quite a few, like “How did they do the special effects of Dad only having 3 fingers in the ‘Bounty” scene with Marlon. All will be revealed! ‘bye for now

It would be a wonderful thing if anonymous or wikileaks would publish the entire un-redacted 6,800 page CIA Torture report. Talk about putting a light on cockroaches! Put a cash bounty on the identified heads of all the torturer cowards! Publish their names and addresses with pictures including their famblys also too! Cowardly unmerikan asshats.

Sabreen – I heard he said that he thought what Sony did was unnecessary

glenn- that is spot on. How DARE the president treat women as equals!

Sabreen, I like this new and feisty Obama. It’s going to be an interesting next two years. When he talks about not caving to bullies, he’s talking about more than Kim Jong-un.

Gosh, I hope his press conference doesn’t make the MSM cover him poorly.

SO long PPO and Happy Holidays to you and yoiurs.

Happy Holidays Pink

That would be a stark contrast to the kid gloves they’ve used so far, funk.

Harleigh, so the summary is still the only thing that’s been released?

PPO – happy hols to you and yours! Have a lovely and joyous time. Great to see you and hope you’re here next week!

Happy Holidays, PPO!

Night PPO Merry Christmas to you. Looking forward to your video.

Kes, I’d hate to see the 6 years of measured, sober coverage of the President suffer because of today

Funk thats all we get is a redacted summary that makes little sense.

Harleigh – that’s pretty heavy stuff, thank you!

Hmmmm

Exactly, funk. He should be a little more deferential to the people who’ve treated him so kindly.

Harleigh – I think you can get the whole report via some Congressional offices?

funk–me too. Because you know how left leaning that ole MSM is!

kes – LOL! Yes, this president needs to be more kind to his detractors!

It was interesting watching the MSM folks see the women print journalists get respect from the President and so obviously snub them.

Funk you made a funny You know the MSM refused to cover his ACA speech and another one (can’t remember right now). I hope he never calls on them again.

The MSM can go fuck itself

Sabreen – that’s a very good point! I hope he shorts them for the next two years, too!

I loved the way he only responded to questions from women. Quite a contrast from the way women are usually treated by so many pudnuts.

Anyone know if the press conf. is online anywhere?

Al Jazeera America has a story tonight that inquiries to the WH press office about the manuver at the Press Conference have been met with the President intends to communicate with those whose record of honesty merits special attention.

You know its funny, I watched the whole thing and didn’t realize any of this until afterward.

I almost choked CL… the repubs are now nazi’s! It’s in their platform! They are admitting and defending torture. It’s probably all obamas fault and all those uppity young black men getting themselves killed!

Sabreen, do you think the MSM will refuse to air the State of the Union address? Wouldn’t surprise me.

“Yes, you in the back; Sports Illustrated”

Count on Al Jazeera to speak to the ISSUE.

Choice…at MSNBC you might be able to see it.

murph – if that’s true, then kudos to him.

Harleigh- it was only a matter of time before they ‘came out of the closet’ on their affinity.

Kes- Obama is in news making mode and he will be a hot ticket for SOTU.

Here’s an example of how “left-leaning” the msm is. When Dianne Feinstein was on CNN, wolf blitzer asked her, “Don’t you think the RELEASE of this torture report puts American lives at risk?” Yet when the dickster was on mtp, no one asked him how many American lives he put at risk with the ACTUAL torture! Bunch of douchebags!

Murph and the women actually asked news worthy questions, for the most part. At the end of the presser some guy hollered “have you made any resolutions” – a really important question to ask. Actually the problem I have the WHPC is that they have become infortainers and self absored, IMO.

Murph – I’ll take a look.

harleigh – those criminals, those thugs, of which none of them were

Good point, glenn!

You tell ’em Glenn. I like this side of you.

glenn – excellent point!

Any nation that defends it interests via torture is not a nation worth defending.

kes – if wouldn’t surprise me either.

funk – AMEN!

funk – that’s at least one of our founding principles or was it?

Murph–The President began his press conference by saying that his press secretary (his name eludes me) had given him a list of who had been naughty or nice. And that’s why he called on the women.

funk – adding — charging them with treason would be appropriate

funk and all – the ONLY point to torture, historically and today, is to incite major fear of the aggressor. It has nothing to do with ‘getting truth’ which is does not do.

glenn – that’s cute

CL – It’s almost like they reprinted Mein Kampf translated to bagerese.

glenn – that’s funny! Good list of good folks – and the ones deserving coal (ash)…

Harleigh –

SLM, absolutely. Individual prosecution via Nuremburg-style trial at the UN would be a good start in scrubbing the blood stains from our hands.

Harleigh – remember that the Dominionists of C Street actually BROUGHT unreconstructed Nazis to America, so it’s not even a stretch here.

One of the best comments I heard today is that Obama intends to join with Nancy Pelosi and the Progressives in the House to deliver votes for Boehner when he makes a good deal with them since he cannot get a majority of his own caucus….and then he intends to join with Reid and Warren to make sure his vetos are upheld.

Murph OT – but did you read the statement that McCulloch gave about knowing witness # 40 was lying?

Harleigh, just think…when Jeb runs, Dick Cheney has another chance to be Bush’s brain and re-open the torture chambers at Gitmo.

funk – the hague awaits

Sabreen–according to foxsocallednews, the questions the women asked were all “softball” questions, dontcha know?

Glenn I loved that comment, naughty and nice.

Sabreen – SERIOUSLY he knew #40 was lying????

glenn – They didn’t try to ask gotcha questions. They asked questions that required factual and informed answers.

I saw that too, Sabreen. Shouldn’t McCulloch be prosecuted for that? But who prosecutes the prosecutor?

fucksnews sucks

Sabreen – women are like that. They ask serious questions. How DARE they?

kes – the FEDS prosecute the prosecutors.

Those sneaky evil WOMEN!

And I hope they do, C’lady!

Sabreen…40 has a history of being a police car chaser and a source of false testimony. It took the media investigators two days to make it clear that she was a bad witness start to finih.

cl – women aren’t smart enough to be taken serious, that’s why they have the type of female candidates that they have…

Obama rubbed salt in the wounds by taking an extra 5 minutes to talk to a reporter about her new gig launching a magazine in Belgium. It was priceless

Murph – #40 needs to be prosecuted for perjury. No exception.

funk – ok, I’m sure it will be up on Dkos soon

#40 is like really ugly also too.

Side note….I have been astounded at how the Press….allow Boehner to just walk out when he does not like a line of questioning and to avoid answerng any question with impunity.

is it a form of suborning perjory if you know you’re putting someone who will lie under oath?

I’ve read that #40 is bipolar and very disturbed — has been for a while.

Harleigh – I seriously don’t care what she LOOKS like if that’s what you mean?

LOL CL I was being facetious.

SLM – yes, that would be the case, so the DA needs to watch his back with the Feds.

Harleigh – she’s ugly to the BONE for sure!

slm – exactly. I heard a lawyer say the same thing. McCulloch can be disbarred and charged for knowingly putting a liar on the stand OR not telling the Grand Jury whenever he found out she was a liar.

Murph, they expect nothing from Boehner, but have to interact with him per usual to keep the horse race false equivalency angle going.

I can’t believe a real DA would put a whackdoodle on the stand to lie. WTF?

he should be disbarred for certain

harleigh – so agree

McCulloch said she wasn’t even in the area.

Harleigh – the DA acted as defense attorney not as prosecutor.

They aren’t going to do a damn thing to that prosecutor or that juror

funk–thanks, and I agree with your statement. As I said before, I had this argument with a rwnj about this whole thing. Kept asking him what makes us any better than the terrorists when we torture. All we have done is to reduce ourselves to their level. These guys can’t even construct a good argument; it’s like arguing with a paper bag. In one of his replies to me, he told me that the President Obama’s “apology tour” was what made the terrorists so bold. After I ripped him a new one about the “apology tour” nonsense by pointing out that every credible news organization had labeled that meme “false”, “pants on fire”, “4 pinocchios”, I also had to point out to him that the tour he was referencing happened almost eight years after 9/11/01. They’re just so consumed with hatred, they can’t even get recent history straight, let alone history.

your right Funk

funk – don’t think for a second that the feds won’t swoop down on the prosecutor. I brought a charge against a NE city’s PD and got an investigation and WON it.

funk…where is the disrespect they so readily give the President…where are the hard followups.

funk – didn’t say I got an FBI investigation – we changed the entire PD because of it.

Glenn, the RWNJ tower relies on every brick remaining in place. Get a RWNJ to use introspection and admit that they’re wrong about 1 thing, and the whole tower starts to crumble. They CANT admit they’re wrong to you. It’s too dangerous.

The press always rolled over for Dubya, Cheney and Rumsfeld too. They were craven lap-dogs back then.

glenn – he came to Boston to see Deval Patrick off, and you should have read some of the comments. Troll territory

glenn – Isn’t it interesting how Republicans who justify torture and/or refuse to call it torture are so up in arms about what Cuba represents.

Well CL I hope you or somebody could go clean up that mess in MO. It just really stinks.

Murph, the press knows that if they aren’t nice to GOP, they’ll get blocked from access. Bush made this very clear during his terms

Harleigh – the AG will do it!

Dems are too reasonable. They still view interacting with the press as something they’re obligated to do.

Glenn- I am astounded at how absolutely bold the Bush era defenders remain in re. to the torture report.

funk – I think PBO just fired a shot across the MSM bow today. No more coddling…

murph – they’re a sick lot

Sabreen, Murph–McCulloch admitted that he knew witness #40 was lying. And, of course, witness #40 was mentioned at least 20 times on insannity’s show as showing how “right” darrenwilson was to shoot.

cl – I hope he does some things that really count

Funk….well Obama appears to be about to give the press a little bit of GOP treatment.

Before the midterms, the president fought for democracy by including the GOP. Now? Not so much. He’s not changed – they have.

SLM…they are.

Smart. Nothing to lose at this point.

Well, kids, it’s time for me to catch the 11 p.m. news here — which is focused mostly on the major national security question of the day: “Will we have a white Christmas?” — and call it a day. Hope you all have a great weekend!

you too Kes

Obama’s Cuba plan was a totally fucking brilliant plan that totally blindsided the baggers.

kes – well, WILL you have a White Christmas? I hope it is lovely and that you have a wonderful time. Love to you and yours!

Folks I can’t stay long. Very tired and too much to do. Happy Holidays to all of y’all. Spread a little cheer to others as well plz

Good night Kes…btw…where is ad lib…2nd week in a row MIA

nite kes

funk – the same to yyou

Happy holidays to you, too, funk – lovely to have you here. Take a ‘to go’ on the ‘enhanced eggnog’.

He’s alive and well, Murph, but life is bit hectic for him right at the moment. I know he’ll be back to Vox soon, though. B’bye all again!

Murph – AdLib is a bit under the weather. He’s going to be fine but not up to three hours here. He sends his love and best wishes for a GREAT holiday to all.

Good night funk….I am glad to have heard from you tonight.

Thanks Kes and Choice for the Ad Lib update

B’bye kes!

Night kes.

Happy Holidays Funk and kes

TOPIC: ANY THOUGHTS ON SONY AND S KOREA?

does this lampshade on my head make my ass look fatter? LOL

Nah Harleigh. It kinda balances out your body

Murph – I seem to be alone in thinking SONY did a good thing putting people’s safety ahead of profit. Yes, I know theaters declined the film, but just in case – and you never know – they did the right thing pulling it now. I suspect they will find other ways to get it out there but LATER.

Harleigh – yes. Yes it does.

I think they shoul mak a movie about CEO Hollywood pussies! Caving to Kim kardashian maybe…. but fatboy Kim Il??!!! oh jeez. That would embarass me!

cl – I think it was an empty threat and they were trying to downplay the leaked emails

I am with you choice…in addition there were not many that were going to show it anyway…however, I want a third party to buy the film and launch it as a Pay Per View…On Demand….I think it might be a bigger hit that way than it would have been in the theater.

SLM – maybe, but in this day and age…one really cannot assume violence won’t happen.

harleigh – lol two times in a row and I agree with Sabreen

Murph – I agree. Though I will NOT be one paying on demand!

funk–it would be fine with me if the gop blocked the press. Who is going to spew their hatred for them? Is it just me, or has it gotten so one-sided lately that it’s laughable? Or pathetic? Or just plain sad? How many Democrats have you seen lately pushing back at the dickster about torture? Where are the Dems? Or maybe I”m missing it because the “left-leaning” msm just doesn’t report on Dems? Funk this “new side” of me is because I’m so pissed off. And, I don’t want to be angry all the time, but one can only see the dickster so many times bragging, yes bragging, about torture before one loses it. And, yes, Sabreen, isn’t is interesting, once again, that it’s not okay for Cuba to torture, but okay for the US? I’m seriously hoping that because, lately, the republicans have been coming up against their own hypcrosy so often that the American people finally wise up and VOTE! ,

Murph – My initial thought was Sony should not have made a movie about killing a sitting head of state. If they are some other country made a movie showing PBO killed, how would we feel. Then after giving it some more thought it was WTF. Hollywood made movies ridiculing Hitler. But at any rate if Sony was bold enough to make the movie they damn well should have had the courage to stand by it and not cave.

Over on Twitter some Asian activists are calling the film ‘racist’. I am not one to wade in usually, but defending Kim Il Un (I think that’s it) is NOT a wise move here! Someone who killed a relative and fed him to pigs is so sick it’s not racist at all to call him OUT.

Murph – I think the whole film is in horrid taste, but this man is beyond comprehension.

‘night Kes. You have a good weekend as well.

Sab….World Police featured a plot to knock out the current S. Korean dictator’s dad and took on radical Islam as well…outrageous and very funny…4 yers ago

Murph – it’s not even North Koreans I would worry about but our hometown lone wolves who’d use it as an excuse to blow up or shoot up theaters.

glenn – that’s a very cogent argument, thank you!

Glenn….I get your anger and join you in it.

Violence is a possibility. But do we really want dictators controlling what we produce. Suppose they don’t like a particular documentary or a news broadcast?

Choice….true about the nutty but this development is very bad for free expression.

I don’t think LIL kimy Il could strike here.

CL and Murph–thank you.

Murph and Sabreen – that is all worth thinking about, but until we can get a handle on who is REALLY behind the threats, for the moment, caution seems wise. I cannot abide the idea of more deaths no matter who is doing it. Once we figure it out, I think we can relax more and return to the issues of free expression, but they are NOT at the moment my first priority. Preventing harm IS.

Harleigh–as CL says, it’s not lil kimmy but perhaps our own home-grown nutjobs.

Choice – there are risks here no doubt but giving in means giving up does it not.

If Kim starts blowing up faux… studious…. then….. HEY! we could call NK and splain to dear leader the faux is badmouthing him…. gee. Hope nothing bad happens to those liars.

glenn – if it turns out that NK is not behind the SONY threat, I won’t be surprised to find the perps in the USA. Yes – I think this is a step toward shutting up liberals by issuing such threats to other things. That’s why discretion until proof is so important.

Murph – see my comment to glenn. I think it’s a temporary tactic, not a rout.

I caught a segment on Rachel’s show tonight. She talked about the book “The Satanic Verses”. Anyone familiar?

Speaking of free expression, have you all read about the professor who wrote an op-ed piece in a non-profit journal, entitled “I Hate Repubicans”. And, of course, right wing heads are exploding becuase, athough she’s entitled to her “free expression”, we can’t tolerate intolerance. Kid you not.

Harleigh – that’s just BAD ASS!

sabreen – ya and it was awful. I call it anti-prose

Sabreen – oh, yes – very familiar! And no, no one gave in. But that was another time. Things have changed, and it’s not NK I fear. It’s our own ‘pistol packin’ mamas’ here in the US of A.

CL sometimes it is fun to think in a evil way! LOL

glenn – I saw that! They can say anything. SHE can’t cuz she’s librul…

Harleigh – you bad, bro!

Sab…Solmon Rushdie was put under a death sentence by an Iranian religious court for the Satanic Verses…he hid and outlasted them.

Sabreen–Wasn’t Satanic Verses the book published by an Iranian (can’t remember his name) and the mullahs in Iran put out a “contract” on him? Basically, they said he “dissed” Islam, so he should be killed. Last I heard he was living in London.

glenn – In These Times changed the headline on that story, BTW.

Glenn…Solmon Rushdie was put under a death sentence by an Iranian religious court for the Satanic Verses…he hid and outlasted them.

Murph–jinx–except you remembered his name.

Murph – Rachel said he was in hiding for 3 years. But he still gets death threats.

glenn – it was a fatwah, yes, and it still holds. But Rushdie is alive, living more openly, and well.

Rushdie appears regularly on Maher.

And yet those stupid baggers will listen to that brave icon of their’s, Ted ‘Poopy Pants’ Nugent.

Sabreen – I had a book that outsold Satanic Verses at one store. As I was gloating about it – I got a death threat from a nutjob over it. Beware of your arrogance!

CL–thanks for giving me the correct terminology.

Harleigh – POOPY PANTS!!! That is PERFECT!!!

Har –

Glad to hear Rushdie is more out in the open now.

Well folks, I’m all in. Have a great holiday and eat a lot of wonderful food

Okay folks, I’ve vented enough for one night. Thank you all for listening. I hope everyone has a great weekend. Peace!

Good night sabren.

‘Night Sabreen. I’m following you out the door!

CL is right, the local RWNJ are almost 1935 nazi’s. I won’t be long unless we really get out the vote in 2016

Sabreen – lovely to see you, and have a GREAT holiday!

Nite All – I’m following Glenn out the door as well

Good night and happy Christmas, glenn! Also SLM – have a lovely holiday!

Oops, almost forgot. Thanks for the enhanced eggnog CL!

Good night Glenn

nitey nite guys!

Choice..are you still here? Harleigh…still here?

yep

I’m here and so is Harleigh – all three of us!

Harleigh I wouild welcome your insight re. Yabberz- I can tell you more if you like….the site is interesting for many reasons

Murph – what would be the outcome if the film had been released and people were killed? I just don’t trust that cannot happen anymore.

Choice- same comment re. Yabberz. You both are very insightful and blogger experienced at a high level.

The next 2 years is gonna be a hoot even with Bachmann gone I think Joni Ernst will be even more whacked.

OK murph

Murph – who is ON Yabberz? I’m interested if they’re good and thoughtful commentators or even highly diverse.

Harleigh – I’m not sure I have room in my sense of humor for Joni…

Choice and Harleigh…there are a number of lively and interesting commentors. There are also a number of right wingers. The site has found a way to corral bad behavior and to shape interaction. It is an interesting experiiment.

That is intriguing. I will take a look. How do we access it?

It’s amazing they can even believe what comes out of there mouths. How do we get there to it?

Choice…yabberz.com

Well…give Yabberz a look if you are willing…let me know if you are going there and what screen name you will be using.

I probably will stick with my OTHER name – churchlady320. It gets better attention (save from atheists) than choicelady.

Well I am calling it a night as well. Best to you both. Have a Kule Yule.

Have a lovely holiday, dear Murph. Hope you have a lot of fun and relaxation! Great to see you. I will check out yabberz.com tomorrow.

Choice I will look for churchlady320.. I am murphthesurf3 there (real creative!)

I’d NEVER have guessed it was YOU…

OK mon… I bookmarked it… i’ll still be harleigh.

Harleigh – always glad you’re Harleigh!

LOL that’s why I luv you! I don’t have to pretend! LOL

Just be yourself I always say. Even when I’m adopting a pseudonym myself!

Harleigh and churchlady320 – you all could really be an interesting leaven over there…..choice has my e mail..but one I share on line is

and if you contact me there I will give youo my real e mail at yahoo

I am even harleight holmes on facebook and all the sites I may wander into.

I’m letting Murph connect us Harleigh – I have some security issues, but it’s fine, Murph, if you put us each in touch.

Ok that was confusing. Harleigh and churchlady320 – you all could really be an interesting leaven over there…..choice has my e mail..but one I share on line is

– if you use it I will then give you my yahoo.

I actually understood. Thanks!

Harleigh I do not have facebook. Once the three of us are at Yabberz, we will figure out how to talk….

Good night, good friends.

Good night, Murph. I’m off to ‘lessons and carols’ tomorrow night. I hope you have something good to do, too.

Choice..lessons and carols…are you Episcopalian? Me too.

yes I am episcopalaian too quit 53 years ago

nite guys

Technically, yes, but I also do UCC. Here they are two blocks apart. Lots of good songs of the season. Harleigh Merry Christmas to you, too!

Good night, dear friends!

I still rather like it. The accept my declare Christian Humanism vs. Credal Christianity.

And with that….good night for real. Murph

You can’t go too wrong these days with almost ANY mainline, progressive Protestants. I’m welcome in many churches.

Good night, dear Murph. Merry Christmas!

Because of the holidays and all they require us to do – wrapping gifts, last minute shopping, heavy partying (we did our best here) we are wrapping up early. To any who join us late, happiest of holidays to you however you celebrate them. See you next week we hope!