Vox Populi, our weekly live chat on the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST and there’s so much to discuss, that’s for certain. Hope to see you then!
adlib 7 days ago
Hey there!
adlib 7 days ago
Quite a week.
adlib 7 days ago
Hi, Beatlex, Adlib. I’ll be in and out, but yes, quite a week for many reasons.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
So true, PPO.
adlib 7 days ago
I do feel, now that POTUS is pushing it, there will be progress in the relations between minorities and the police. there of course will always be the redneck element everywhere, but it’s at least a good start.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Good evening, Ad, Beatlex, PPO. I’m very sad for my country tonight. I also see hope, but mostly I’m sad.
glenn
7 days ago
Hey glenn!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
With all that has gone on lately, with the killing of black people by the police,It hit me that the President can add to his legacy over this.Of course we cannot stamp out bigotry,but he can do plenty about how the country is policed,It is already happening.I wish Eric Holder would stay and help the President affect some positive change.What the the R’s going to do about it
beatlex
7 days ago
beatlex, don’t ecpect the GOP to do anything. It is in their political interests to keep the fear and loathing factor on High
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
oops, spelling!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Beatlex–Here’s what I”d like to see Eric Holder do. Arrest Cliven Bundy. If he resists, remind people that many leaders on the right are saying that one shouldn’t resist arrest. Whatever it takes to place Bundy under arrest, should be done. That would give me hope.
glenn
7 days ago
Good point, glenn.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Hi glenn!
adlib 7 days ago
Hey beatlex!
adlib 7 days ago
Sir AdLib!
beatlex
7 days ago
one would be aghast if a similar situation happened in a black community and a black militia backed up the offender. We know what would happen in that circumstance, don’t we?
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
PPO–I just can’t wrap my mind around this blatant, uncompromising hypocrisy of the people on the right. How can you talk about “outside agitators” in Ferguson when bundy brought in outsiders? How can you talk about not resisting arrest when bundy resisted arrest with armed thugs surrounding him? How can you talk about an unarmed man’s criminal record as “proof” that he deserved what he got, when bundy has defied numerous court orders? In my book, that makes him a criminal. Why isn’t bundy in jail or dead?
glenn
7 days ago
Glenn-agreed!
beatlex
7 days ago
you got that right, glenn. And now GJs are backing the racists.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
This is a real movement now and i think there are a few real big gamechangers that can get done. Especially on the state level. First, change state laws so that a special prosecutor handles all police brutality or crime cases. It is a conflict of interest to have a DA in charge of cases against officers. Body cams will be helpful. And citizen oversight of police forces. Also, de-militaarization and more community policing. These are things that can really happen.
adlib 7 days ago
Start the petition, Ad!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
I’m still gobsmacked that a situation is in the US, in open carry states, that a white guy walking the streets goes unaccosted, but a black man doing the same is immediately assumed to be a criminal and gets creamed.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
glenn – We all are familiar with the mind (such as it is) of the RWs. They have no actual principles, just talking points to express their prejudices. So it’s unavoidable for them to become hypocrites, as long as something serves their goals, they support it. If it doesn’t, they fabricate reasons for why it’s so wrong. Simple minded haters.
adlib 7 days ago
BRB
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Ad–In many places they have citizen review boards–in fact, they had one in Key West when I lived there. I’m not sure it’s still operating, because it had no “enforcement” powers, and whatever the CRB said, the police ignored. There is a large minority population in Key West, living in what is known as “Bahama Village”, and the police presence and activites there are the same as in any large city in the US–IOW, very heavy on “policing” the black areas of town; not so much on other areas.
glenn
7 days ago
PPO – It is kind of disheartening that racism is so widespread and openly integrated into our society. We’ve wanted to believe that it was dissolving away but it was actually just continuing along out of the spotlight.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad–I know you’re correct in your analysis of the righties, but where are the Dems with backbones? I’m seriously considering writing an open letter to Eric Holder urging him to arrest bundy, wherever, whenever, and however he can. Perhaps a SWAT raid. Too bad if bundy’s family gets hurt–if bundy had taught them better, they wouldn’t have gotten hurt.
glenn
7 days ago
What about that 12 yr old boy? They said they told him 3 times! to drop it.That kid was dead before that cop got his door open
beatlex
7 days ago
Evening all. Our country is officially crap!!
sillylittleme
7 days ago
glenn – That is the main issue, the citizen review boards need power to enforce their decisions. Otherwise, it’s just an exhaust valve that allows racist cops the freedom to attack black men and just be pointed at by a powerless board.
adlib 7 days ago
Beatlex–it’s so sad, isn’t it? And, that policeman who shot him was let go from another police force because he had issues.
glenn
7 days ago
Hey slm!
adlib 7 days ago
Evening, SLM. I, too, am appalled at what our country has become.
glenn
7 days ago
Read today about another case in AZ. The man was carrying a McDonald’s bag. So now you can get shot for bringing fast food home.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
SLM–He was shot outside of his home?
glenn
7 days ago
Hello Planeteers. #ICantBreathe
sabreen60
7 days ago
At his doorstep in front of his small children
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Evening Sabreen–I can’t breathe either.
glenn
7 days ago
Looking for the article, Glenn
sillylittleme
7 days ago
glenn – I do agree that Bundy should be arrested but I think it would be the wrong time to do that. Right now the focus is on the racist cops and system out there, an arrest of Bundy right now would electrify the racists and turn this moment that has the potential for change into a kind of civil war that would become the focus. It’s admittedly political but I want the momentum kept laser focused on reforming our police and reigning them in. Then…let’s take Bundy to his new home with bars.
adlib 7 days ago
Evening Sabreen
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Ad–yes, the “charter” or whatever it is for the CRBs need to be written correctly; that’s for sure.
glenn
7 days ago
Ad – disagree no protection would make his arrest easier.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Hi Sabreen. It is such a heartbreaking yet poignant motto for this movement, “I can’t breathe.” And we’re not going to hold our breath for change, we’ve got to demand it.
adlib 7 days ago
beatlex – I watched the tape of Tamir Rice being shot to death. The cop shot him in less that 2 seconds. The cops lied before they knew a tape was out there.
sabreen60
7 days ago
Ad–I know you’re correct (I hate using the word “right” any more for someone who is correct), but at least someone on the left should be talking about how racist cops can do this to unarmed black men when a criminal white man, surrounded by outside agitators, and armed thugs, is still alive and free. I think it just points out the blatant hypocrisy of the system almost more than anything else does.
glenn
7 days ago
slm – What I’m talking about is the backlash after Bundy would be arrested, the racists will go on marches and protests and create a powder keg right when so many black people are also protesting…it would be very dangerous.
adlib 7 days ago
Good Friday evening, friends. I wish the past week had been a little less depressing though…
kesmarn
7 days ago
Glenn –
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-phoenix-police-shooting-20141204-story.html
Arizona police officer fatally shoots unarmed black man during scuffle
A Phoenix police officer shot to death an unarmed black man during a struggle and authorities said the officer believed the individual had a gun, in the latest fatal incident amid national turmoil over the policing of black communities.
A Phoenix police officer shot to death an unarmed black man during a struggle and authorities said the officer believed the individual had a gun, in the latest fatal incident amid national turmoil over the policing of black communities.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/ruman-brisbons-daughter-pens-letter-to-phoenix-police-officer-who-shot-killed-her-dad
Ruman Brisbon’s daughter pens letter to Phoenix Police officer who shot, killed her dad
The daughter of an man shot and killed by a Phoenix police officer has apparently written a letter to the officer, according to a memorial Facebook page.
Ruman Brisbon’s daughter pens letter to Phoenix Police officer who shot, killed her dadThe daughter of an man shot and killed by a Phoenix police officer has apparently written a letter to the officer, according to a memorial Facebook page.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Hi Kes–I’m very sad too; as Sabreen began tonight, I can’t breathe.
glenn
7 days ago
Hi Planeteers!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Evening Kes
sillylittleme
7 days ago
“I can’t breathe…” Yep. That is the way it feels.
kesmarn
7 days ago
I’m breathing fire!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Sabreen – That cop who shot Tamir is going down, the DoJ isn’t going to pass up that case. Also considering how that cop was fired for being emotionally unstable where he was previously working.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad – it isn’t just black people protesting, police brutality has to be stopped. And so do tax evaders.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Hey Harleigh
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Hey Harleigh!
adlib 7 days ago
Hi Kes!
adlib 7 days ago
I saw video of the 7 minutes right after Eric Garner was strangled. Why they didn’t take the handcuffs off and start CPR is beyond me. He might have been saved!
kesmarn
7 days ago
AdLib, et al – what I heard that makes the most sense to me is that when cops are involved in killing, wounding etc an unarmed individual a special prosecutor should be called in. State/local prosecutors have a symbiotic relationship with cops. They depend on the police union and cops to help them get elected. They depend on cops to help them win cases. They will not be fair when cops are involved in these cases. The other point I heard is that the relationship when cops, prosecutors and internal affairs is incestuous.
sabreen60
7 days ago
Hey Harleigh
glenn
7 days ago
Hi Harleigh and kes!
sabreen60
7 days ago
Sabreen I agree, it is as bad as how rape stays within the military where the victims don’t have chance of justice.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Sabreen–all of what you say about the relationship between cops and prosecutors is true. I hope we can get federal laws passed for special prosecutors in ALL states. Otherwise, I fear that some red states, mine among them, will just keep the incestuous relationship going.
glenn
7 days ago
Should be ….relationship WITH cops …
sabreen60
7 days ago
I’ve heard that too, Sabreen. That prosecutors depend on cops to testify in their cases. Although, apparently McCulloch in Ferguson doesn’t have too many qualms about indicting a black policeman who struck a suspect on the hand with his baton. He’s in jail on assault charges now.
kesmarn
7 days ago
slm – True, just saying that if we set up a situation where white racists are angry and protesting where there are black people that they mindlessly hate and would blame for Bundy’s arrest, the danger would not be worth the arrest. And it would change the focus on changing the racism in our cops and courts to racial conflicts across the country. IMO, first things first. Stop the killing by cops and their being out of control. Then with them in check and working for citizens, take Bundy to jail and other similar racist lawbreakers.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph is in da house!
glenn
7 days ago
kes, I read that. I’m pretty sure race has to be a factor in some of these cases.
sabreen60
7 days ago
Kes – Really interested to hear what you think about the EMS that came to the scene and did nothing to help Garner.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph – My hero!
sabreen60
7 days ago
Especially with THAT guy, Sabreen.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Evening all – hope despite national sorrows that you are all well?
choicelady
7 days ago
Choice–so good to hear from you. Haven’t seen you around in a while.
glenn
7 days ago
AdLib, I have to say that if someone has not been breathing for 7 minutes, it’s extremely likely that he’ll not make it. Not with much brain function, anyway. But it’s hard to believe none of those cops had training in CPR. It’s a disgrace that they declined to use it.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Ms. CL – Hope you are well.
sabreen60
7 days ago
HARL!!!!
beatlex
7 days ago
Is CL in the house? And I meant to say “hi back” to Harleigh and all!
kesmarn
7 days ago
Sabreen – Yes, that should be a non-negotiable demand at this point. DAs have a built in conflict of interest when it comes to prosecuting their partners in their work, cops. That should require special state prosecutors in EVERY case against a cop.
adlib 7 days ago
The gang’s all here!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Ad – the difference is that arresting Bundy would be done by the Feds all the other shootings are by local cops. Agree that the idiots would conflate the two, but that would maybe get those who aren’t too far gone to realize the hypocrisy. And they don’t need to shoot him (although if it was me, I’d already have dropped a drone.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Hi Choice
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Ad and Kes–didn’t part of the tape show that Gardner was still breathing? I read somewhere that the guy who was shooting the video asked the cops why they weren’t giving Gardner CPR, and the cops replied, “because he’s still breathing.”
glenn
7 days ago
CL – Welcome! I owe you a reply to the very promising HOPE news, things have been a bit crazy this week but will catch up with you next week for sure!
adlib 7 days ago
I think they were lying, glenn. It sure didn’t look like he was breathing to me.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Glenn – the man who filmed it was arrested on a gun charge…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
SLM–I know. Unbelievable, isn’t it?
glenn
7 days ago
kes – Not to mention that I heard that the EMT didn’t even follow protocall. It was that woman even used the wrong fingers when checking for his pulse. Not to mention EMT didn’t even attempt CPR.
sabreen60
7 days ago
AdLib – I am optimistic. Kathay reaffirmed support, and I’ve got it to the League, so I will keep you posted. I’m away tomorrow through next Friday evening, but I’ll know more soon I think.
choicelady
7 days ago
Sabreen and kes – I am beyond horrified at the EMT NON reponse. Every one of these deaths is sickening, but the EMT fail is terrifying.
choicelady
7 days ago
There are no checks and balances anymore at the municipal level between DA’s, cops and crime labs. At least the choking death was ruled a homocide by the coroner, to no avail with the GJ.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Sabreen, it looked like a very half-hearted effort on the part of the EMT. But the very first people on the scene should have started CPR. I almost wonder if they didn’t want to put their mouths on his… Awful thought, but that seemed consistent…
kesmarn
7 days ago
Harleigh – a man who’d been a witness to another incident said the DA asked, “Did you see a knife”. The witness said no. He was then dismissed after about 5 minutes. Nothing was asked of what he HAD seen. The fix is in.
choicelady
7 days ago
slm – Heh! Drone bomb Bundy, very funny! You’re right about there being a difference between Feds and cops but as you say, the RW would conflate them and be roused to come out and come after the protesters with counter protests that could become a flashpoint for violence. That’s my concern, that and losing this moment for change to an MSM meme about “Race Wars”. You know they’d go there.
adlib 7 days ago
kes – no one does mouth to mouth anymore. The new teaching is compression, period. So if they were repulsed, it was for NOTHING.
choicelady
7 days ago
kes – I watched an interview and the tape was played again. When Garner was on ground his chest was not moving. After a struggle you’d expect someone to breathe hard. So the idiots who insist that CPR is not given when someone is breathing are full of it.
sabreen60
7 days ago
CL, in a choking situation like this, I would have done respirations — no matter what the current trend is. It was obvious that his airway was the problem — long before his heart.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Ad – if that’s what it takes to get the revolution going, so be it. They will lose again…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
glenn – Yes, the cop said that but first of all, I think he was full of crap and second, he’s a cop, the guy who strangled Garner was a cop, those cops were not the ones whose opinions on the health of someone else, especially the man they’ve strangled.
adlib 7 days ago
TOTALLY agree, Sabreen. You would see his chest rise and fall. That is BS about him still allegedly breathing.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Sorry folks, I’ve got to get some rest. I thought I’d be able to say up longer tonight, but I can’t seem to put coherent thoughts together, so I’m giving up. G’night all, and let’s hope we get some systemic changes done soon so we can all breathe again.
glenn
7 days ago
Garner should have received help. I cannot understand any of this. Not ANY of it. Years ago as a teen I witnessed an older Black man having a seizure and stopped to help as I could. He was just conscious. Another, younger, Black man also stopped but no one else did. The younger man was furious that ‘no one’ helped. But seriously there was nothing WE could do. He was coming around. In Garner’s case, that is the JOB of the EMTs. They do know what to do!
choicelady
7 days ago
Glenn – sleep well
sillylittleme
7 days ago
G’night, glenn! Sleep well!
kesmarn
7 days ago
There have been just so mny of these occurances since the Zimmerman case surfaced and now we know it has been going on for years. I hope it does not ignite race riots like in the past.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Hey glenn – sorry to see you so briefly. I’m not staying long since I’m up at 4 am for a flight, but it was nice to see you. Have a GREAT weekend!
choicelady
7 days ago
CL – That is so wonderful to hear. Then you’ll be back in town next week?
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh – the protests have been amazing, but the change is going to have to come as before by law.
choicelady
7 days ago
nite glenn
Harleigh
7 days ago
AdLib – back the night of the 12th, in the office the following Tuesday. If I get email, I’ll let you know.
choicelady
7 days ago
In the Garner case, they are saying” don’t believe your lying eyes” Move along,nothing to see here” What the F+++?
beatlex
7 days ago
Nite glenn. Take care.
sabreen60
7 days ago
CL I sure hope you’re correct!
Harleigh
7 days ago
CL, I have to confess that if I had not been breathing for 7 minutes, I wouldn’t want the EMTs to “bring me back.” (Too much brain damage.) But the cops were RIGHT there and did nothing. They have training. They should have used it. The first four minutes are critical.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Harleigh – the problem is, we don’t have a good Congress, so getting those laws…
choicelady
7 days ago
Hello all
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Night glenn! Sleep well!
adlib 7 days ago
kes – oh i TOTALLY agree! The police ARE trained in basics, did nothing.
choicelady
7 days ago
Hey Murph
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Hi Murph!!!
choicelady
7 days ago
Hey, Murph!
kesmarn
7 days ago
All – shouldn
sillylittleme
7 days ago
The site is not working for me tonight. Too tired to fight it.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Oh sorry to hear that, Murph. We can read YOU.
choicelady
7 days ago
We’re seeing your word, Murph!
kesmarn
7 days ago
‘t that be considered negligent homicide?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
You’d think it would, slm!
kesmarn
7 days ago
SLM – yes, you’d think negligent homicide by ALL of them would be on the table.
choicelady
7 days ago
Maybe it is working now. I moved from Firefox to Google Chrome.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
So much for the serve or protect motto…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Murph – the medium permits the message?
choicelady
7 days ago
Comin’ through loud and clear! (I’m on Chrome as well.)
kesmarn
7 days ago
beatlex – Same thing they said about Rodney King. The cops were being the crap out of him while he was on the ground but we were not suppose to be our lying eyes.
sabreen60
7 days ago
I see you Murph… keep typing towards the light! LOL
Harleigh
7 days ago
CL – Got it! Will catch up with you the following week. Thanks for keeping me updated!
adlib 7 days ago
LOL!
kesmarn
7 days ago
Hey Murph!
adlib 7 days ago
Murph – you may need to reload Flashplayer on Firefox, I was having the same problems last week…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Sabreen – not only were we supposed to ignore our lyin’ eyes, he was at fault for struggling not to be beaten. Uh huh.
choicelady
7 days ago
When you’re dying (or it feels like it), it’s awfully hard not to struggle.
kesmarn
7 days ago
So all – between the uptick in rape, the murder of unarmed people of color, the hating on kids fleeing their country, what is the common denominator that permits people to harm other people?
choicelady
7 days ago
A false feeling of one’s own superiority?
kesmarn
7 days ago
Choice – hate pure and simple
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Ok — I can’t type tonight. I don’t know what’s up 
sabreen60
7 days ago
Kes – They left Garner not breathing on the sidewalk like an animal. They left Michael Brown lying dead for 4 hours like an animal. These cops, not all cops but these cops, are the real animals.
adlib 7 days ago
Good point, AdLib. Talk about projection!
kesmarn
7 days ago
Murph – Last time the problem seemed connected to your internet connection. Can you try disconnecting then reconnecting your internet connection?
adlib 7 days ago
I wonder if there is any correlation between fracking and the loss of sanity in this country…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
People always say “must be something in the water,” slm. Maybe there’s something to that…
kesmarn
7 days ago
Did anyone hear the head of the NY police union? He said the choker cop was a superior cop. Guess he doesn’t know that the cop has 3 suits against him.
sabreen60
7 days ago
SLM the baggers have all lost their fracking minds.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Ad- this is only happening here. So I will see how it goes.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
That guy was appalling, Sabreen. Said that deBlasio “threw the police under the bus.” Really??
kesmarn
7 days ago
Oh, for real Blue Bloods!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
LOL Harleigh
sillylittleme
7 days ago
That’s right, kes. I forgot he said that.
sabreen60
7 days ago
That Cleveland cops had a horrible track record too.
kesmarn
7 days ago
cop — not “cops”
kesmarn
7 days ago
Pink – is that unoxygenated blood?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
kes – after the high speed chase and huge volley of bullets killing the unarmed, unwanted, crime free couple, COPS plural would actually be correct.
choicelady
7 days ago
Kes noted that the POS who spoke for the Police Union’s last name is ironically, “Lynch”. No kidding!
adlib 7 days ago
slm – I wish I could say these murders are new, but they aren’t. What’s new is social media, cell phone cameras and 24/7 cable news. Even so, many of these cases never make news.
sabreen60
7 days ago
AdLib. How creepy is that names.’
choicelady
7 days ago
sabreen – I know of a lynching in Springfield, MO in about 2001. Covered up as a ‘suicide’. Other attacks on Black men there as well – all skinheads, but cops let it pass.
choicelady
7 days ago
CL, I almost hate to think there was another Cleveland incident… But the one I was referring to was the 12 year old boy who was just killed.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Bottom line is that the DOJ and FBI have to actively get involved in thes cases and raise them out of the local level.
Harleigh
7 days ago
What should concern us all is that the police are acting as judge and jury in a split second decision.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Wouldn’t you agree that that douche Police Union guy Lynch looks and talks like a fellow racist thug? I can’t imagine anyone buying the crap he pedals except fellow racists already on their side.
adlib 7 days ago
kes – I know. That poor child! But it’s NOT the sole incident. I love Cleveland. I’m rethinking it a lot now.
choicelady
7 days ago
AdLib, I saw that — about the last name “Lynch.” Is his middle name Kuklux?
kesmarn
7 days ago
Harleigh – I work with our district US Attorney who is vigorous in his prosecution of hate crimes esp. under color of authority. But you don’t always have a circumstance in which the feds can intervene. “Selective enforcement of the law” is a good entree, though.
choicelady
7 days ago
LOL AL
Harleigh
7 days ago
I hear you, CL. It’s a great city in so many ways, but obviously some real problems too. So sad.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Kes – Yep, you pointed it out first. And I believe his full name is “I. Will Lynch”.
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – LOL!!
choicelady
7 days ago
Good one, Ad Lib!
kesmarn
7 days ago
Way past my paygrade CL but not past my outrage. these incidents are just too messed up.
Harleigh
7 days ago
There was another incident where a black guy and his girlfriend were walking down the stairwell in their apartment building. I “rookie” was doing a “vertical” check (something they are not suppose to do) and had his gun out. He shot and killed the guy and said it was an accident. This was an innocent man who hadn’t committed any crime and had no contraband on him.
sabreen60
7 days ago
Harleigh – way too messed up.
choicelady
7 days ago
Sabreen, it seems like we’re getting these reports almost every day now.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Sabreen – I read about the stairwell incident. Police have millions in hardware. Where is the TRAINING? They were explicitly told NOT to do that, but were not sufficiently well trained to make it stick.
choicelady
7 days ago
Sabreen – Yes, and that cop called or texted his union at the scene, clearly most concerned about himself, not the innocent people he had shot.
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – I read that story about his texting his union. Jaw dropped.
choicelady
7 days ago
They were ‘offline’ for awhile after they killed the guy in the stairwell.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Assault first, ask questions later:
kesmarn
7 days ago
I read about the texting, too.
sabreen60
7 days ago
kes – OMG. We are working on expanding our hate crime laws so that it includes crimes against persons with disabilities. How horrible for that man!
choicelady
7 days ago
CL – Same here. For cops now, it’s “Shoot First, Text Your Union Next.”
adlib 7 days ago
Must have been terrifying, CL…
kesmarn
7 days ago
shoot, text, Lie. those assholes.
Harleigh
7 days ago
All – I went up against our PD as they were boasting about their programs for the homeless. I would not let them off the hook for the gratuitous violence they commit daily against the homeless. I have made it known I’m watching. I now think I have to be careful, too, even though I was very low key and thanked them for what they’re doing well. I’m not stupid enough to think now I get the ‘white pass’ so much anymore.
choicelady
7 days ago
Please be careful, CL!
kesmarn
7 days ago
kes – back to making it known I’m friends with the US Attorney!!! I know how to CYA!!!
choicelady
7 days ago
CL they are vindictive. Be careful.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Choice – tread lightly, they no longer need an excuse…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
I have friends in high AND low places, but yes. I am careful.
choicelady
7 days ago
This kind of racist police killings and assaults have been going on for a long time but many people not amongst the black communities that have been living with this hrrible reality should have been clued into the out of control and brutal nature of many police forces when the Occupy Wall Street protests were crushed by them.
adlib 7 days ago
One person in Ferguson who’d given info to Anonymous about KKK connections to the police, later begged Anonymous not to publish it because there had been threats to kill him and his family. They don’t play.
kesmarn
7 days ago
College kids were not exempt from their excesses either AL
Harleigh
7 days ago
I experienced the ugly decades ago in Philly. Jumped by white supremacists while walking with a Black male friend, the police treated us as the evil doers. I’ve seen it from that point of view. I never thought it had gone away.
choicelady
7 days ago
I am starting from scratch
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Ad – well you know they were disparaged too
sillylittleme
7 days ago
CL – You reminded me of the hashtag on Twitter “CrimingWhileWhite”. If you and others haven’t followed it I think you should. People who say they are white tell about all the things they have done and should have received actions from the police, but were let go with a warning or a slap on the wrist.
sabreen60
7 days ago
So far, so good, Murph.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Murph – Vox or your whole life? If the latter, let us know how it’s working for you.
choicelady
7 days ago
CL – Very sorry to hear that but it helps to explain how brave you are to stand up to them as you have!
adlib 7 days ago
Let me see if this prints this time. I have been working with community organizers in Ferguson and there are echoes of the Occupy Movement.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Sabreen – I am following CrimingWhile White. Only problem – because of my stands I have NOT gotten off while standing for women’s right to choose, for racial justice, etc.! But I don’t get tickets from traffic cops for expired stickers, and a Black person would have. That IS for sure!
choicelady
7 days ago
AdLib, June 1965 was the worst day of my life. But I learned a most valuable lesson about racism. It was directed AT me, and I never forgot the sheer terror!
choicelady
7 days ago
slm – Yes, the OWS protesters were originally slimed by everyone in the MSM…until the protests took off then they were afraid to not support them. The MSM are not on the side of the people, that can never be doubted. They only function to profit the corporations that own them…and serve them by fighting against changes of the status quo.
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – MSNBC night shows have all been really good on the protests and the reasons for them. Daytime – not so much…
choicelady
7 days ago
Murph – Where are things right now with them?
adlib 7 days ago
“a pattern of immaturity, lack of judgment and inability to follow instructions…had an emotional meltdown…performance at the shooting range was ‘dismal'”… the evening news just covered the story on that 26 year old Cleveland cop.
kesmarn
7 days ago
In Ferguson- the cause is just but there is a power struggle among the local leaders and with regional and national leaders; goals are unclear; plans unfocused; there is such an unwillingness to do what is not dramatic but necessary (voter registration, and voting);
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
kes – wow. That’s pretty damning.
choicelady
7 days ago
CL – Did you see the tapes of the protestors (lead by the NAACP) who marched over 100 miles to Jefferson City, MO? They had to march through Rosebud (?) a small town with a poputlation that is 97% white. The residents call them the “n” word and called the whites who were marching “n” lovers. Someone left a watermelon and a box of fried chicken in the street – pretty pathetic huh? They can’t come up with anything new?
sabreen60
7 days ago
Murph – one of the ministers there Seoku I think it’s spelled, is an ally. I hope he’s doing the right thing there.
choicelady
7 days ago
Sabreen – I’m fine with watermelon and fried chicken. It’s bombs I fear! I prefer pitiful to dangerous, though I heard someone shot at the group, too.
choicelady
7 days ago
CL – Yes, the Garner decision by the morons (or worse) on that GJ was so awful that even Glenn Beck is attacking it! Right and Left coming together over this? That means something can really get done if we strike now.
adlib 7 days ago
That was the cop’s previous performance evaluation. And Sabreen, how pathetic… that is the word for it. Ignorant.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Whenever anyone is talking about ‘the South’ shal rise again, they are talking about pondscum!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Cl… Seoku? Not sure. Frankly….we are not all that welcome…..we get asked to help, show up and then get ignored and bad mouthed after we leave. The team I am on has pretty much decided to walk away.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
AdLib – All the RW who are critiquing the Garner decision are doing it so you can’t criticize them on all the others. Don’t be fooled.
choicelady
7 days ago
kes – I read the report on the Cleveland cop. Cleveland officials admitted that they did not do a background check on him. This is the 3rd time the feds have had to come in and take over the Cleveland police department.
sabreen60
7 days ago
Murph – that’s OK. All you can do is what they want. I’m sorry about the bad mouthing – that’s low – but I can appreciate their passionate desire to control all the outcomes.
choicelady
7 days ago
Murph – ALl the local leaders are competing with the showboating Rev. Al and on and on, they’re all jostling to stand at the front of the movement. That is awful.
adlib 7 days ago
That’s interesting, CL! Sort of a “token objection”?
kesmarn
7 days ago
harleigh – they’ve had a lot of time to rise again, but haven’t. maybe some viagra is in order…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Really, Sabreen? I didn’t know that! (About the Feds intervening x3 in Cleveland.)
kesmarn
7 days ago
kes – yes, I think that’s what the ‘apparent’ concern is. It’s to deflect us from criticizing them for their despicable categorization of Black people as thugs.
choicelady
7 days ago
CL – Right but if legislation follows up on this, they’re already behind it on the record and to go back will make them look like phonies as well as racists.
adlib 7 days ago
Choice…and we see how well that is going. 3200 unregistered voters and 138 registered in the drive….November voting levels below 2012….begging for help, but then not cting on it.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
CL – I saw pictures of a bus where someone shot the window out.
sabreen60
7 days ago
I sure wouldn’t trust Beck on anything!
kesmarn
7 days ago
SLM blue pills and guns don’t make it bigger or a better performance outcome! LOL
Harleigh
7 days ago
Murph – yup. Nothing comes easily. Nothing. Sabreen – yes, someone did shoot out the windows I heard.
choicelady
7 days ago
But AdLib – legislation will NOT come out of it. They will dither it away esp. after January. This is for show, NOT for substance, and they will continue to pretend they’re trying, but they won’t do anything.
choicelady
7 days ago
Harleigh – the combo of Viagra and guns? Lordamighty!
choicelady
7 days ago
All how about the vote this week to deny Social Security to former Nazis…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Boneher and the boys will never do anything for this country. The Senate is about to turn against us also too.
Harleigh
7 days ago
SLM – seriously? It’s about 60 years overdue! The “Family”, the Dominionists of the 50s, brought unreconstructed Nazis here where they’ve been ever since. Damn well about time.
choicelady
7 days ago
CL – Don’t disagree that national Congressional Repubs will do nothing but the pressure can push the state to act. Especially in NY.
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – OK – I will definitely agree about the states. At least the Blue ones.
choicelady
7 days ago
Like Occupy, they are playing right into the hands of the power brokers….In the last few years we have all heard the refrain THIS event or set of events will e THE ONE to bring about the change….NewTown, Occupy, and a host of others…
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Choice – too little too late in my opinion.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Murph – I have worked with grassroots efforts. It ain’t easy. Your skin has to be really tough. IMO, you just have to stay true to yourself.
sabreen60
7 days ago
Do you think they’re actually going to succeed in prevention the Prez from delivering the State of the Union address to Congress?
kesmarn
7 days ago
Murph – Sigh. I agree. Marx may have had a point: history repeats itself. First time for tragedy, second time for farce.
choicelady
7 days ago
kes – they cannot prevent a SOU address. All they CAN do – and jolly well might – is make him give it someplace other than the Capitol. THAT would be so bad for them…I hope they try.
choicelady
7 days ago
Sab…I too have worked with grass roots groups many times, and rarely do they bear a crop.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
My fellow
Harleigh
7 days ago
Choice – farces are supposed to be funny, nothing funny about this time in history…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Murph – I do think change will happen in some places. Cleveland has no choice now. NY will change now. It’s a hard slog in MO but if the nation keeps moving in that direction, state by state, there can be change nationally.
adlib 7 days ago
The GOP seem to be a special case. I think they are trying to put history on an infinite loop, same thing over and over again.
jjgravitas
7 days ago
Murph – LOL!! I think it’s easier to mobilize people on specifics of legislation than on social change. Everyone these days has a pet project. AdLib – remember Palm Springs where everyone had a different agenda?
choicelady
7 days ago
Hey, JJ!
kesmarn
7 days ago
Hey!
jjgravitas
7 days ago
jj – spot on!! making time stand still (as if it could)
sillylittleme
7 days ago
My fellow americans, I am in the Situation room for the SOTU because….
Harleigh
7 days ago
SLM – Marx didn’t think so either, but he was noting that the movements can turn into something so disjointed that’s what they resemble.
choicelady
7 days ago
Kes – I did see a sign Ted Cruz wants to post on the Capitol Building before the SOTU, “Whites Only”.
adlib 7 days ago
Hi jj! Good to see you.
choicelady
7 days ago
LOL! There you have it, Harleigh.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Choice – that explains all the crazy talk…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Same to ya Lady
jjgravitas
7 days ago
Ted REALLY ought to think this through since a lot of people don’t think HE is white.
choicelady
7 days ago
Harleigh – now that would be something
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Hey jj!
adlib 7 days ago
Good one, AdLib! Ya think Joe Barton is going to pull his “You lie!” routine again this time?
kesmarn
7 days ago
Hey Adlib
jjgravitas
7 days ago
Cleveland has had DOJ intervention twice before….and I see the state governments turning redder and redder…I think the power brokers are firmly in control.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Kes – I hear Joe Barton may wear his pointy white hood though at the SOTU.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph – I am hoping these incidents (another yesterday in Phoenix) will begin to mobilize people in fear for their lives!
choicelady
7 days ago
Barton could take the pointy hood off at the appropriate moment and use it as a megaphone. “YOU LIE!”
kesmarn
7 days ago
Murph – Maybe seeds were planted. And maybe it takes a long, long, long time for those seeds to sprout. Maybe they are perennials. Hell, I never thought we would have to fight the same battles that we fought in the 60’s.
sabreen60
7 days ago
kes! That’d be multitasking! Think Joe’s up to it?
choicelady
7 days ago
See a pointy white hood and rip it off. I hate self righteous creeps in masks whether they be muslims or RWNJs.
jjgravitas
7 days ago
Murph – There is cause to doubt if things will change in Cleveland but I think that them being repeat offenders will keep the Feds on top of them much stronger and longer than the first time. There is no teacher like failure.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph – we’re where the Civil Rights Movement was in the late 50s. We got complacent, ignored the growing RW power, but we ARE reacting, and that’s seriously different from before.
choicelady
7 days ago
Hey jj!
sabreen60
7 days ago
Ad – you assume they are capable of learning, 3X proves they don’t
sillylittleme
7 days ago
CL most dumbasses have no idea they are at risk! If Mein Kampf were rewritten in the Engrish they would call it ‘grassroots’. They can’t see what’s coming and soitanly not on Faux.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Sabreen – we are refighting Roe v Wade, too. We can’t sleep through the growing power of the right, esp. the religious right as we did in the 90s.
choicelady
7 days ago
Its the 60’s all over again in the 21st century. Left Wing Liberals never should have faded into the wood work.
jjgravitas
7 days ago
Hey Sabreen
jjgravitas
7 days ago
Harleigh – FOX ratings are down, and I think most people seriously DO want a better world. But it’s MSM that no longer tells the truth. We need boycotts NOT of Rush and Glenn but of the 6 o clock news!
choicelady
7 days ago
TRUE JJ, we thought things had changed and we relaxed.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Choice – we need the Fairness Doctrine in place again!!!
sillylittleme
7 days ago
jj – they became concerned with their own power, made silos to live in, and broke ranks with too many other people. They got coopted too, just in more stylish ways. Those who fight for justice kept on. There never were that many of us.
choicelady
7 days ago
CL, are you familiar with a group that refers to itself as “Identity Christians”? They’re anti-semitic and extremely racist. Just picked up a book about them, but it was written about 15 years ago. I wondered if they’re still around.
kesmarn
7 days ago
SLM not likely for the next 2 years anyway.
Harleigh
7 days ago
SLM – we can kiss fairness goodbye until at LEAST 2017.
choicelady
7 days ago
Sorry, folks, a bit too busy today, so gotta go. take care and be safe.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
kes – it’s “Christian Identity” and I know them well. They trespass in my backyard.
choicelady
7 days ago
Bye Pink
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Lady, before cable, the news had a real real responsibility to report the truth. Cable turned that around in the 80’s and since then.
jjgravitas
7 days ago
Take care, PPO! So good to see you here!
kesmarn
7 days ago
Good night/g’day PPO – see you soon I hope!
choicelady
7 days ago
CL – I agree 100%. But since we have a corporate owned media, I’m not very hopeful.
sabreen60
7 days ago
bye PPO
Harleigh
7 days ago
jj – yes and it was supposed to be commercial free, paid for by subscription
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Sabreen – I’m hoping we can move rich liberals to fund alternative news again. Air America was great, but it was poorly run. We need MORE.
choicelady
7 days ago
Good night, PPO!
sabreen60
7 days ago
Well folks – I have to be up at (gulp) 4 am to get a plane, so I’m also bidding you all good night! See you in a couple of week!
choicelady
7 days ago
Is this irony squared or what, the likely new AG also has the last name of Lynch…Loretta Lynch. And she is all about prosecuting over violations of civil rights. So I think that should give people some serious belief that the Feds aren’t going to let things continue how they’ve been.
adlib 7 days ago
CL- I loved airamer when it started. Randi Rhoades was the best!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Have a good couple of weeks Choice
sillylittleme
7 days ago
CL – I don’t understand why wealthy liberals don’t see the need to have control of some media outlets.
sabreen60
7 days ago
CL – Please stay safe and have a good trip.
sabreen60
7 days ago
Ad – if she’s confirmed and she stays true to herself…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Choice- were are you heading.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Seeya PPO! Have a great weekend!
adlib 7 days ago
Ad…I predict that Lynch will not get confirmed….I think Holder may have to last for two more years.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Night CL! Great travels to you!
adlib 7 days ago
Murph – Dems only need a majority of 51 to confirm Lynch in this Congress. What do you think they won’t?
adlib 7 days ago
Murph – Do you think you’ll keep working with the protestors?
sabreen60
7 days ago
Senate confirmation will not happen if she says she will prosecute white bigots. LOL
Harleigh
7 days ago
There is no time for the hearings and if they push it through McConnell will be sure that no one gets confirmed come January because of the uproar in the base.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Adlib – Dems better work fast as their magority vanishes once the new guys enter in January.
jjgravitas
7 days ago
CL, sorry I missed you exit there! Thanks for the answer on the Identity folks. I didn’t realize they were your stalkers! Have a great weekend and stay safe!
kesmarn
7 days ago
Is it wrong that I keep hoping for McConnell to kick off before Jan?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Sab- the team I world with has been burned three times now (August, November, and Now) – I think we have had it.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Murph – What’s the specifics on hearings, how much time is needed?
adlib 7 days ago
Murph – sad to hear, working with others to effect change isn’t easy
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Murph – Well I’m sure people of good will appreciated all that you have done.
sabreen60
7 days ago
The Senate timetable for confirmation will require more days than are left in the calendar.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Kids, I may have to say goodnight. Almost midnight here and the community chorus is singing tomorrow. Have a wonderful weekend, all!
kesmarn
7 days ago
I’m going to say Good night folks. Stay safe!
sabreen60
7 days ago
kes – you too!! tra la la la
sillylittleme
7 days ago
‘Night, Kesmarn
jjgravitas
7 days ago
Good nite kes!
sabreen60
7 days ago
Hey but we will get the all new BENGHAZI Show starring Howdy Gowdy! NINTH time is the charm right?
Harleigh
7 days ago
sillylittleme – Not wrong
jjgravitas
7 days ago
nite kes
Harleigh
7 days ago
Night Kes! Have a great weekend!
adlib 7 days ago
nite sabreen
Harleigh
7 days ago
nite sabreen
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Night Sabreen!
adlib 7 days ago
Well…I am heading off to bed…..sorry to have been a downer tonight….
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Good night all.
jjgravitas
7 days ago
nite Murph.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh – Too bad Issa is prevented from continuing as Detective Douche.
adlib 7 days ago
goodnight murph and jj
sillylittleme
7 days ago
nite JJ
Harleigh
7 days ago
No worries, Murph, get some well earned rest.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad – how so?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Night jj! Good to see you here!
adlib 7 days ago
slm – There’s a term limit within The House on holding Chairmanship of committees and Issa has used up his.
adlib 7 days ago
Grand Theft Issa really did not accomplish anything, Gowdy won’t either. It’s just noise at this point.
Harleigh
7 days ago
On the Oversight committee that is.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad – didn’t know that, so who will be his replacement
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh – who is Gowdy?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh – The Repub control of Congress will be just one long campaign for 2016.
adlib 7 days ago
SLM – Trey Gowdy… a real tbag tool.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Ad – the longest 2 years of our lives!!!
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh – where does he hail from?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
The worst Chairmanship this Congress has to be Inhoffe in the Senate heading up the Environment Committee. Is that worse than when Michele Bachman was on the Intelligence Committee?
adlib 7 days ago
R-SC and an avowed bigot bagger.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Or was it the Unintelligence Committee?
adlib 7 days ago
SLM he is an R – SC
Harleigh
7 days ago
Ad – she didn’t head it up. I’d hate to be an environmental scientist with him as head denier.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh – disgusting
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh, the way I see it, Issa’s witch hunts hurt Repubs and insulated Obama. Gowdy’s more extremist ones will likely do so even more.
adlib 7 days ago
slm – True, Bachmann was just a member but matching her with the word “intelligence” was confounding.
adlib 7 days ago
Only faux will keep up the Benghazi BS. I sure am glad 90% of us didn’t die of EBOLA!!! More unarmed black men have died by out of control police than that phony plague.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Ad – I still don’t get how she passed the bar…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
SLM they laid the bar on the ground?
Harleigh
7 days ago
slm – This is a waste of 2 years but the Repubs will lose The Senate in 2016. They have many more seats up, enough in purple and blue states to lose control and after people get a look at a modern Repub controlled Congress, they’re going to be tossed out big time.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad – only if people get out and vote
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh – har har
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh – That’s a sad fact. Most Americans were panicked by Ebola armed innocent Americans have been killed by cops than by Ebola.
adlib 7 days ago
SLM I am going to miss that little bird that occasionly pops out of Bachmann’s forehaid and announces the wrong time! 
Harleigh
7 days ago
Whoops, my post had a section deleted! Meant to say that more unarmed, innocent Americans have been killed by cops than by Ebola.
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh – 
adlib 7 days ago
Good news is we now get Joni Ernst R-IA as a replacement whackdoodle in the senate.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh – did you see her rally this week? 40 protesters
sillylittleme
7 days ago
I hear Bachmann has already lined up her own business of staging staring contests around the nation.
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh – she will be a laugh a minute and then she can always slaughter a pig
sillylittleme
7 days ago
slm – Ernst had 40 protesters? On what issue (so many to choose from!)?
adlib 7 days ago
Ad – she’d win everytime, crazy eyes can
sillylittleme
7 days ago
I saw that, more press than protesters. LOL
Harleigh
7 days ago
Ad – no Bachmann
sillylittleme
7 days ago
and I meant to say crazy eyes can’t be stared into…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
slm – Oh! Bachmann is already being forgotten. Loved her whine about no press asking her if she would run for President in 2016!
adlib 7 days ago
Palin – Bachmann 2016 for jebus! Glory! Y’all com git yer screech on!
Harleigh
7 days ago
slm – I’d crack up if I had to stare into those loony eyes for any amount of time.
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh – If only! And they can argue over who was the bigger has-been.
adlib 7 days ago
I think she actually believes what she says! Her and her nutbag Marcus.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh – I hope for your sake they run, that would be hysterical
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh – Bachmann believes in people being possessed by Satan, she’ll believe anything.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad – more projection from her…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
I started posting for that ticket in Jan 09 on the old HP!!! LMAO Oh I’m such a rebel. At least I can come here for some clues.
Harleigh
7 days ago
And that gentlemen is what comes from lifelong sexual inactivity…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Remember this staring contest?
adlib 7 days ago
Bachmann has been nothing but a gubmint grifter her whole adult life. I think she married Marcus so she would not hve to have sex!
Harleigh
7 days ago
If Marcus is gay…then what is Michele? Methinks she’s campaigned a bit too hard against gays and lesbians.
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh – well that explains a lot.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Ad – it is always those who deny their reality who are most vehement
sillylittleme
7 days ago
There have been many RWs who have been vehemently against gays then outed. Some who are outed but don’t know they are, right Lindsay Graham?
adlib 7 days ago
I got a Larry Craig ‘I’m NOT gay!’ card. LOL
Harleigh
7 days ago
And the 2016 GOP Presidential Primary will be so right wing, with a Repub controlled Congress pulling it farther and farther to the right, that will be amazing to witness.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad – by amazing do you mean gagworthy?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
And the megachurch preachers being outed after railing against gays. Wow.
adlib 7 days ago
It will be a fucking HOOT! I can’t wait for the repub cornvention!
Harleigh
7 days ago
A hoot and a holler? I’ll be the one hollering
sillylittleme
7 days ago
slm – Yes, Rick Perry and Ted Cruz will be the co-hosts, leading the candidates right off a cliff like the idjits they are.
adlib 7 days ago
Carson is leAding off! BWAHAHAHAHA
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh – saw his speech this week what a sad excuse for a human being and he was a pediatric brain surgeon. yuck!!
sillylittleme
7 days ago
They are going to need a stretch clown car for 2016.
Harleigh
7 days ago
several…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Heh! Carson will be arm and arm with them, it’s going to be like a perverse Wizard of Oz, “We’re off to see the Wizard, the psycho Grand Wizard of Ours!
adlib 7 days ago
the results of Carson’s work are truly sad if it is anything like him.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Carson is so extreme, his addition to the mix will only help Dems.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad – nice play on words, he’d have a high time with those grand wizards…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
slm – If you’ve heard Carson talk about race, he would be cozy as could be marching right along side Klansmen.
adlib 7 days ago
ad – maybe, but would they?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
slm – Very good point!!!
adlib 7 days ago
SO what other crazies am I leaving out? Will Huckabee run? Santorum?
adlib 7 days ago
I’m sure Allen West will be on the trail. seriously…. and that’s almost as nutty as it gets folks. When Allen heard a minority had moved into his new gated community he organized a protest! When he found out it was him he lit a cross in his own front yard! 
Harleigh
7 days ago
Oh Santorum will run, he needs to keep his treasure chest going, Fuckabee may but doesn’t he have a cushy Fox job?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh – very funny!!!
sillylittleme
7 days ago
muhahaha
Harleigh
7 days ago
I saw elsewhere some RW nutjob comment that if Carson fot the nom, he’d get at least 25% of the black vote, maybe 50% because as all racists know, black people don’t vote on where someone stands on the issues, they just vote blindly for black people.
adlib 7 days ago
West was given a less than honorable discharge, doubt he’d be welcome as commander-in-chief
sillylittleme
7 days ago
ad – I saw that too, the comments from blacks turned that into a lie real quick…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
oh yeah AL, and some women do that also too!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh – Really? When you lose elections, you usually are over. West has no constituency, he’s applauded by the RWNJs but they would never want a black man leading them.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad – they did have a black man as their point person…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh – Yep, look at how Sarah Palin won the VP!
adlib 7 days ago
slm – That was just a token gesture to try and balance out Obama winning, they dumped Steele right away after his first term, in 2010, even though they won so big that year. He was just a prop and after they won, they didn’t figure they needed him anymore.
adlib 7 days ago
SLM Michael Steele was a token that still can’t admit he is/was just token. Of all the funny groups the Log Cabin Repubeliebaggers are the most cornfused people I can think of.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Ad – true, he doesn’t see it that way though
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh – they don’t exist anymore…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
I bet Reince Prebus is Rick Santorums bitch.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Rinse Pubis is the Koch Bros bitch
sillylittleme
7 days ago
OH NOS! SLM when did that happen?
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh – I looked them up back in ’12, just a one page website. Guess they gave up…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh – So true! Every time I saw a Log Cabin Repub interviewed, they could never answer the question of why they would belong to a group that despised them, saw them as perverts and voted in platforms against their having equal rights. “We’re trying to work within the party to change it.” Huh? So black people should join the Klan to change it from within?
adlib 7 days ago
I saw one on Rachel Maddow once or twice and she asked him point blank why he supported a totally anti-gey party that would not let them into the conventions. What a stuttering fool.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh – I stand corrected, they are back with a vengeance…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
SLM do they now have a 2 page website? LOL
Harleigh
7 days ago
Yep, can only guess that they were just so brainwashed through childhood they just couldn’t see themselves as being anything other than Repubs like their parents. Lemmings.
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh – no its actually quite extensive…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
“We’re here, we’re queer…let us into the GOP Convention please!”
adlib 7 days ago
Sort of like black-nazi-skinhead-jews for jebus. those dirty commies! LMAO
Harleigh
7 days ago
I like how they want limited government but a strong national defense. My guess, not an accountant among them…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh –
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh – Bingo!
adlib 7 days ago
Night guys, have a great weekend and a great week
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Maybe there should be a study into whether wanting to be a Republican is connected to psychological problems?
adlib 7 days ago
Or have the last 50 years been that study?
adlib 7 days ago
I always thought leaders in either party had to have mericas best interests at heart and follow the best and brightest. Baggers are really just plain stupid and their leaders realy REALLY SUCK!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Nite SLM. I’m gonna have to clock out too. later folks.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Night all!!!
adlib 7 days ago
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