Vox Populi – 9-13-2013

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  • AdLib : Nite all!

  • AdLib : All Paul and Cruz have is their hatred. No experience, no accomplishments, no history of being good, productive people. They will collapse from being 1-dimensional if up against a Hillary Clinton.

  • AdLib : Thanks Murph, appreciate all you contribute to The Planet as well! Have a great weekend!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad- good summary.

  • AdLib : In 2014, the Repubs had a simplistic, populist message, “Obama has messed it all up, vote for us and we’ll create jobs and save the economy and stop Obamacare from killing your granny!” They won’t have any of that in 2014, maybe having to spend most of the campaign trying to spin how angry people are at them for shutting down the government.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Well…I guess it is time to close down the shop. As always, I value the Planet and the good work you do here.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad…again I hope you are correct – Your electoral philosophy is sunnier than mine.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Barbara Boxer summed up Paul in an interview a couple of days ago: “What. He was in the Senate for Five Minutes and then he was running for President? What has he done? What has he said?”

  • AdLib : Murph – I think the dynamics right now are not typical though. The Repub states have been on such a rampage against women, Latinos, blacks, students, the poor, the middle class…people are really fed up and all the rhetoric that will come from Repubs in 2014 will increase that.

  • AdLib : Murph – That’s reassuring to hear. Cruz is so mercenary that he just needs enough time to show how disgusting he is, and he will. Imagine what he’ll say in the 2016 primary!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad re. 2010- I agree with you…unusual year but in mid term elections the President loses seats- that is the rule and with the Dems not changing their voting culture I fear the results.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad….The Jesse Helms Cruz connection- here in my backyard there has been a huge response among the GOP. There is a growing sense that this guy is really awful. Mo. was a KKK center for years and as several of the guys at the bar I go to said….hell I hate the Dems but I hate the KKK worse and Helms was KKK.

  • AdLib : Yep Murph, lighter than usual. Must be some good movies opening tonight!

  • AdLib : It is fascinating to me how brand new Senators who are baggers, like Cruz and Rand Paul, can come from nowhere to become big figures and Presidential candidates…wit h little to no experience!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Hey Ad….it’s just you and me I think. Lite nite.

  • AdLib : ok

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Hold on for two minutes I have a quick call….

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sab So happy you brought up Jesse Helms- that deserves its own discussion. Cruz IS a neanderthal.

  • AdLib : Night Sabreen! I do think the GOP has to go so far right that it celebrates racists to finally turn off that last set of voters who’ve been helping them win despite who they are. Of course, in the racist parts of the South that the SCOTUS thinks don’t exist, they will continue to keep their seats but as a minority party.

  • AdLib : Murph – 2010 was an oddity that can’t be repeated. It was lucky for the Repubs that the economy had been so massively devastated that we were still trying to crawl out of that hole AND the ACA was such a hot button issue with all the lies they had people believing about death panels and government takeover, etc. That simply won’t be the case in 2014, they won’t have those massive distractions to help them hide who they are then. And if they shut down government or default on our debt…it will be a landslide against them

  • Sabreen60 : Well I think I’ll go contemplate on Ted Cruz wanting 100 Senators like Jesse Helms in the Senate. I wonder if Ted Cruz understands to many in his Party he’s considered a minority. President Cruz? Nah. I don’t think the Tea Party will buy it. Good night y’all. Take care.

  • AdLib : Murph – I think the DoJ will win in TX and NC, I think Dems will take back MI, PA and FL and perhaps more. By 2016, we’ll be in even better shape against the Voter ID crap but in 2014, I expect there to be the kind of mobilization we saw in voter ID states in 2012, where turnout was big because people were so angry and determined to vote, they’d wait in line as long as it takes.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sab You name my concern. Dems have to become concerned about every election – 2010 was “just” a midterm and it has nearly ruined the Obama presidency.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad As always I hope you are correct but the GOP is going to create an environment in which voting is as hard to do as possible for those who will not vote for them. I pray that the DOJ with the courts backing them will push back hard.

  • AdLib : Sabreen – In any polls, you always have to account for about 30% of people as being hard core Repubs. They blame Obama for Katrina, of course they’ll blame him for the Repubs shutting down the government. But they are a minority that would never support Obama in any case, even against commie Russia, so you just have to look past those numbers.

  • Sabreen60 : Murph, I agree. What does it take to whip up Dems? This issue with gun control – how many more schools have to get shot up before Dems are whipped up enough to show up at the polls.

  • AdLib : Murph – Only in an election like this recall will the nutters outnumber Dems. We do need to be organized and motivated in 2014 but I see that happening already. Whether on racial issues, women’s issues, voting rights, you name it, there are a lot of pissed off people out there in the middle and on the left and I think we’ll see a very determined turn out in 2014.

  • AdLib : Murph – Right! Like it!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad and without those whipped up people we will not win…we need the kind of zeal the GOP can produce in a nanosecond

  • AdLib : Murph – “ABAR”?

  • Sabreen60 : AdLib, That doesn’t make me feel so good. 51% pointing a finger at GOP. ONLY 51%. Gee gads.

  • AdLib : Murph – Don’t agree about Colorado, that election was rigged, preventing people from voting by mail and not informing people of where to vote until a week or two before the election. That was not a representative vote, only the most whipped up people would have made it to the polls so not surprising gun nuts won. They would have lost in a regular election.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad A anyone B but A a R republican

  • AdLib : Sabreen – From CNN: “Only a third would consider President Barack Obama responsible for a shutdown, with 51% pointing a finger at the GOP – up from 40% who felt that way earlier this year,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.”

  • Sabreen60 : AdLib, yes. But Democrats are going to have to show up at the polls. Both of these Dems were recalled. So they are no longer on the inside to fight the good fight.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad- I have another friend who has a button she wears. It is Red, White and Blue and has for letters on it A B A R

  • AdLib : Murph – Well done! I think people who want to run for office need to recognize that selling out their principles just to win instantly makes them unworthy of being elected. If that’s the way they are, who needs another unprincipled, compromised politician in office?

  • Sabreen60 : Murph, Absolutely. I couldn’t believe the Dems didn’t come out and both were recalled.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sab- test case for the public paying attention…the Colorado recall elections….bot h went down….the Dems lack the discipline, the structure, the understanding, the energy to do what needs to be done.

  • AdLib : Sabreen – Yes, it seems like alien mind control, how so many in the MSM have fallen hypnotized by the op-ed attributed to Putin but clearly written by someone he hired. Those are not even Putin’s words! And how can such sudden amnesia take place?! Putin is a horrible, vicious human being who has NEVER acted out of humanitarianism or for peace. Now, just because so many want to avoid an attack on Syria, they forget everything they know about him and Russia???

  • Sabreen60 : AdLib, I’m not so sure. It seems Republicans have not been made to pay a political cost for their obstruction. I’m not sure the American public is paying attention enough. The administration may get the blame.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Nite Glenn- hope you saw my last post to you.

  • AdLib : I hate to say it but part of me wants them to shut down the government, just for a few days. That would turn the rest of the nation so much against the Repubs and baggers, it could give us a Dem House in 2014 and some light at the end of the tunnel. I don’t want people to suffer though but it’s either suffering for a few days or for at least 3 more years.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Glenn…there is a very nice woman in my town who is running in a byelection this November for a seat on a local board. I told her if she ran as an Independent or a Democrat I would vote for her (she is bright and reasonable). She said that she needed to run as a Republican to get support. I told her that I was sorry but I am not giving the GOP a single vote on a single issue in a single election for a single person until the party reforms. I also told her that if she gets an opponent who is an I or a D, that person will get my outright support. AND then I say- I was a member of your party and it drive me out the door.

  • Sabreen60 : I am probably as pissed with the media as I am with the Republicans. The media, including MSMBC seems to do be doing everything possible to discredit the PBO and his administration. Even glorifying Putin – never thought I would see this in my lifetime.

  • AdLib : Night glenn!

  • AdLib : Sabreen – Will read the article in full later but just skimmed it and I do agree that the GOP game plan for some time has been to do everything they can to sabotage Dem Presidents (even impeach them). It also seems to be a get-even mentality after Nixon was impeached and resigned, they so badly want to make that happen to a Dem President.

  • Sabreen60 : Good night, glenn.

  • glenn : Okay, I really am leaving now. I always read VOX sometime on Saturdays, so I’ll be able to catch up with you all then. Take care, all.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad LIb…B has given up on the Hastert rule four times…I think it comes down to this….he can hold onto his Speakership as a simpering sycophant until 2014 and then get kicked to the curb OR he can be bold and try to recraft the office. I agree with you. He lacks courage.

  • glenn : Murph–I agree. I always voted a mixture of Dem and republican. Not anymore–I wouldn’t vote for a republican if he/she paid me. And I wouldn’t even THINK of voting for a teapartier.

  • AdLib : glenn – Big cheers for Hailey! Way to go! Have a great weekend!