AdLib : Cheers Murph!
MurphTheSurf3 : AdLib saw your final note and agree
AdLib : Murph – Sad but true though as that Citibank memo revealed, the one thing the 1% is fearful of, is that the 99% get pushed too far and all the money they have won’t prevent them from voting out the plutocrats. Sure hope 2012 will at least be a ramp up to that.
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib….the nature of plutocracy is to use money as both a goal and a tool to the goal. Votes are bought in dozens of ways: media campaigns to inform and misinform, jobs/contracts, underwriting campaigns, the creation of ideal candidates, controlling access to the polls etc. So the 1 percent are dedicate to stealing every election- always have been but there are moments when this is just more transparent and we are just more aware. I hope we are living in such a moment.
AdLib : Well, looks like it’s time to close the Vox Populi bar for the night. Thanks to all for making it another great edition! See you next Friday!
AdLib : Bourne, very pleased to have you at The Planet! Have a great weekend!
AdLib : Murph – No worries, I like the idea but no rush. Great, looking forward to the article! Very timely and looking forward to joining the conversation on that. I do think the SCOTUS will uphold it in the end.
BourneID : Thanks Murph. I do. You know how shy I am, but enjoyed. Night AdLib. I’m glad I’m part of the planet.
MurphTheSurf3 : Time for me to go as well…..Ad Lib I have not forgotten about our Conversation Starter Idea….just have not had the time…know you understand….th is weekend I will take time. I am preparing an article on SCOTUS and ObamaCare. Should have it sometime tomorrow.
AdLib : What’s hard for me to fully understand, though I do understand the demographic reason, is how 1% of the country can repress blacks, women, Latinos along with the rest of the 99% of the population…and the Repubs still have a chance to win the White House and Congress. Will it take having a Soviet style state before there is a permanent change in the way the majority acts and thinks or, hopefully, the momentum is building now.
AdLib : Night Bourne, was great having you on Vox tonight, hope you enjoyed it and we’ll see you next time!
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…ya done good…knew you would like it here
SallyT : Nice meeting you, Bourne!
BourneID : Okay everyone. I had a great time and thanks for inviting me. But I’m thinking it’s time to say goodnight also. Talk to you next week.
SallyT : Goodnight Kes and CL! I think I will go, too.
choicelady : Murph – thanks, stretching is keeping it as good as it is. Could not function without that! Take care!
MurphTheSurf3 : Choice…best to you and your back….I do stretches every morning for half an hour and 15 minutes at night…world of difference…got them from an osteopath
AdLib : CL – Always happens, the beer runs out and everyone suddenly remembers they have to get up early the next morning. Sleep well!
choicelady : Goodnight kes – have a lovely weekend. Hope you don’t have to work?
choicelady : Murph and Sbreen – have a great weekend. I think I’m packing it in as well – my back is giving me fits today. Need to lie down, and it’s the devil to type that way! G’night everyone!
AdLib : Sleep well Kes, glad your computer’s working fine again!
MurphTheSurf3 : Sabreen…as always, a great pleasure…take care
kesmarn : G’night, Sabreen! And now that the midnight hour is here, I’d better say good night,too. Have a great weekend, everyone!
SallyT : Sabreen, you have a good night!
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…train imagery explanations are up to you to explain or not….PlanetPOV is a free place.
choicelady : Night Sue!
AdLib : Take care, Sabreen!
choicelady : Sue – I am shocked every time someone like Mitt, like GHW Bush, like anyone at all expresses such absolute ignorance about the real world of America and the people who live in it. GHW did himself in having NO idea what a supermarket scanner did. Mitt can’t relate to ANYONE. Un-freaking-beli eveable that they think they’re fit to run the nation when they know nothing of how people live.
Sabreen60 : Well, I think it’s time to log off, too. Stay strong, y’all.
MurphTheSurf3 : Sue-+–make that three…me too
BourneID : Murph, hold on. What are you leaving to Bourne? I’m so far behind everyone I don’t know what the H y’all are talking [email protected] Who’s Sab; what does that mean?
AdLib : Sue – I second Kes’ props, excellent article!
SallyT : Sherlock, elementary my dear. But, I will miss ya until we meet again. Watson.
kesmarn : G’night, BFF! Wonderful article this week on the RR in education!
AdLib : Night Sue! Have a great weekend!
MurphTheSurf3 : Good night Sue….
AdLib : kES – :LOL:
SueInCa : Well my grandson is wantin to use the pc so nite all have a good evening.
BourneID : Choice you are too funny.
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…again, you raised up the image..so I am just being cooperative like always
choicelady : AdLib – yes, Rubio’s being Cuban is NOT a help at all, quite the opposite, but how would insulated, gated-comunity, golf club CEOs know anything at all about that?
kesmarn : The white men in the GOP think all _______ are alike.
SallyT : Goodnight Funk. See you in the woods.
BourneID : Murph. you’re determind to keep me on those tracks aren’t you?
SueInCa : AL it just makes me furious how they are so damn one dimensional
MurphTheSurf3 : Sab…I will leave that to Bourne
AdLib : Night Funk! I’ll be sending a Hunger games invite to Greenwald!
Sabreen60 : Ok, Murph. What’s up with the choo choo train, man?
AdLib : Sue – AB mentioned Rubio too but you are spot on about his having no value in moving the Latino vote to the GOP. That’s the thing about racists like the white men in the GOP, they think all Latinos are alike.
SueInCa : funk and CL notice the girl chess piece is bigger? hmmmm
choicelady : Goodnight funk! Sweet dreams!
kesmarn : G’night, funk. Behaaaave yourself!
SallyT : Funk, don’t blame that on me!
SueInCa : Watson no you don;t
MurphTheSurf3 : Funk…take care….see you at the other ranch
choicelady : I look like a chess pawn. That’s not an avatar. That’s me.
funksands : Sally, you are totally freaking me out. I better go. Night all! Gotta go get my GreenwaldRules T-shirt on for Maher.
Sabreen60 : Nite Killgore.
choicelady : Bourne – you can post a Greek goddess, tell us it’s you, and who’s to know the difference?
SueInCa : CL but i cuss a LOT
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…train, train, train, think choo choo…it’s you!
SallyT : I look like my dog.
choicelady : funk – oh, OK – blow sterotypes left and right…
SueInCa : Don;t worry Bourne I look like Audrey hepburn
choicelady : Sue – well that doesn’t rule women OUT, y’know! Even the Churchlady cusses. You ought to know that – you’ve been around me long enough!
AdLib : Night Killgore! Looking forward to your article!
funksands : Bourne good call.
MurphTheSurf3 : AdLib…folks I know in Miami tell me that Marco is not wearing well in the Cuban community…his family were among the wealthy who relocated to FL for a better life….not the family story he told.
funksands : CL: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BourneID : Choice You’re right. We will confuse everone. Can we use a picture of ourselves? My problem is I look so much like Angelina Joli I don’t want anyone to be upset. I’ll if I can find a Greek godess or somethng similar.
SueInCa : CL I know I love using stuff like that but I also cuss alot====ALOT
AdLib : Night AB! Sleep well!
funksands : Night KT!
AdLib : Funk – The chat system does have a little bug in it about avatars in Vox, don’t know why!
SueInCa : nite kt
choicelady : Sue – I know, it’s a woman thing, exclamations. Guys mostly don’t do that.
choicelady : ‘Night KT! See you soon – and we look for your post!
SueInCa : Good one Adlib but that was me about the latinos not likeing each other lol
MurphTheSurf3 : KT….happy trails to you (know Roy Rodgers?)
SallyT : Goodnight KT, my friend!
SallyT : Goodnight AB!
kesmarn : G’night, KT!
AdLib : AB – Exactly. The Racist Repubs have no clue that other Latinos don’t connect with Cubans and Rubio would have next to no sway with Latinos from Mexico and South America. Plus, they know that Romney would be President and sanction the “self-deportati on” of their friends and relatives.
KillgoreTrout : I’ve got sign off too good folks of the Planet. Stay young at heart!
SueInCa : CL your !!!!! give you away
choicelady : AB – have a good night, hi to the Blov, and congrats again on the house sale!!!! Wheee!
Sabreen60 : Jennifer had on her hoodie yesterday.
choicelady : funk darling – MY avatar is a life portrait! Here we have Bourne, you, and I all looking identical. It will get confusing, this I know.
MurphTheSurf3 : Jennifer Granholm about to come on at Current…liking her more and more…looking forward to Currents new AM lineup…
SallyT : CL, no it isn’t among true NAs.
kesmarn : Sounds like this may involve more than a mere real estate update, AB! Have fun!
funksands : See? It has never shown up on Vox when I am actively posting. But then it does after I leave and sign out.
Sabreen60 : Nite, nite AB
SueInCa : lATER ab
KillgoreTrout : Adios AB.
AlphaBitch : The Blov likens the popping noise of VOX to the mating sounds of alligators. It hink he’s hinting….
MurphTheSurf3 : AB…bye, bye
kesmarn : Adios, AB! Thanks for the giggles!
choicelady : Sally – I was told the word “squaw” was really obscene. Is that true?
SallyT : Funk, where your guys playing leap frog go?
SueInCa : ab THAT SHOWS HOW IGNORANT THEY ARE. nOT ALL LATINOS LIKE OTHER LATINOS. HOW NARROW MINDED THEY ARE TUNNEL VISION
AlphaBitch : Well, the Blov just got home from his date with our realtor. Got to go hear how it went……..Adio s, muhachos.
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…thanks…b een thinking of that one for a while…college professor in me (and you>)
funksands : AB: Ad, its weird, this is the only spot on the Planet it doesn’t show up.
SallyT : Totem.
AdLib : CL and Funk, bout time you got avatars. You don’t want to be pawns forever, do you?
AlphaBitch : Sally: Wampum.
funksands : Ad, your points are valid, but the knuckle-foamers have lost. Romney is the guy. Rove and his shadow-money donors are now all piling in with Romney
SueInCa : AB note taken. Anejo I always use cointreau used to know a guy who sold it and always got it free now I have to pay for it
AdLib : Murph – Love your description of the GOP group, excellent and a keeper!
AlphaBitch : AdLib: they think he will help with Hispanics. He’s Cuban, and we all know they are always Repubs.
kesmarn : So…it IS lighter fluid!
SallyT : Anejo, great stuff! FIRE WATER!
KillgoreTrout : Man, Obama is so much smarter than anyone who has the misfortune to have to debate him. The GOPers have it easy right now, but not when the presidential debates start. I can’t wait. I’ll be glued to the screen.
SueInCa : Murph I know Funk I am gonna love it
AdLib : AB and Funk – It does have the feeling of finality but the rank and file are totally underwhelmed with Romney being the one whose bought their nom. As for Jeb and Rubio, BOTH backed the Stand Your Ground bill and Rubio is so flawed, a fraud, liar and anti-Medicare extremist. So, he helps them only with people who are already Repubs, who love liars and frauds who are extremists.
AlphaBitch : Sue: Yep Cointreau makes it. Try the Anejo – about $50/bottle, but so smooth.
AlphaBitch : Kes: Makes me light up, that’s fer shure!
choicelady : Sabreen – I really prefer Obama to go up against Romney than Santorum. Santorum is JUST crafty enough to talk about re-industrializi ng the US (his goals are anti-union and massive tax breaks for corporations) and drawing on the unemployed less educated white populations that might go for him. Mitt may be popular with the upper classes, but overall he has little enthusiasm, and he’s so vulnerable! He really IS an Etch-a-Sketch! No enduring anything!
funksands : Sue I totally watching pole up his ass Romney debate calm cool Obama is going to be most excellent.
SueInCa : hey AB Sauza, Lime juice and Cointreau best margarita ever
SallyT : Well, you are all showing off with your foreign language skills, I thought I would show off with my Blackfoot and Sioux.
MurphTheSurf3 : Sue…Obama has a half dozen different chuckles that run from sheer amusement to absolute derision…and you can tell the difference.
AlphaBitch : LA is full of Cathoics.
funksands : Okay. Jokes over. What’s up with Sally?
BourneID : Hey KT, thanks and i know that. I’ve playing significant games for many years. I have no problem posting what I think; Ihave a problem with what supposed to be an open forum that is not an open forum. I doubt that will change. and Murph I see your point. You drew much further into HP tht I might have gone; I enjoy posting and i enjoy many of the great people I’ve met, but I feel strongly
kesmarn : Herradura anejo sounds kinda like lighter fluid…
funksands : Ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch
SallyT : SQUAW!
AlphaBitch : Also, it’s the BEST tequila. Not cheap but good.
SueInCa : I think Romney is the best candidate for Obama. When he makes a gaffe Obama will chuckle and respond which will get Mitt off his game and he will look totally ridiculous and petty. All Obama has to do is chuckle it pissed McCain off no end.
AdLib : CL – Yep, LA is a Bible Belt state, a slam dunk for Santorum and a pain in the ass for Romney. Heh!
AlphaBitch : German, Funk? Only kes can speak that one!
funksands : AB: Gesundheit
KillgoreTrout : Good one funk! lets hope he’s not indestructable!
MurphTheSurf3 : AB thanks
AlphaBitch : I’m into straight Herradura Anejo now, Funk.
Sabreen60 : I wish I could gauge how many likely voters are paying attention. If they are then Mitt is in trouble, I think. Santorum is out. He’s not crossing the finish line IMO.
funksands : AB have another margarita
KillgoreTrout : Thanks so much Sally and Sue.
funksands : RomneySkyNet will become self-aware on April 24th.
AlphaBitch : Murph: Insightful!
AdLib : Sue – Yep, just joking about the tabloid nature of HP.
SallyT : KT, you know I will read anything you write.
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne….for your avatar….I suggest a choo choo train
SueInCa : Start small KT it will be easier
funksands : CL, I hate your avatar. Thought you should know it fills me with rage.
MurphTheSurf3 : AdLib….Gingric h has become that surly kid in the back of the room who tosses out little jabs and snipes at odd moments and gets momentary attention. Santorum is the obnoxious kid near the front of the room (he keeps moving up closer) who shouts out answers, offers opinions on everything and is so often wrong despite his eagerness. Romney is the golden boy who seems like the perfect kid until you look close and realize that he cheats off the other kids, whines for attention, nags and tattles. No one in the room likes him but he runs for class president and his mom makes cupcakes for the class on the day of the election.
choicelady : Bourne – have AdLib or Kalima help you pick an avatar that represents the “inner you”. They will tell you that the chess pawn DOES represent the inner choicelady. You deserve better.
KillgoreTrout : Thanks AdLib, I need to get my lazy butt in gear.
kesmarn : I think Newt’s “moon colony” and Santorum’s “don’t care about unemployment” comments finished them both off. It looks like it’s gonna be Etchy-Sketchy.
funksands : Santorum was polling way ahead of Romney two weeks ago in Wisconsin and now is nearly 9 points back. April 24th there are 5 northeast states and that’s when Romney delivers the coop de grass.
KillgoreTrout : Thank you kindly CL and Murph. I will begin with it tomorrow. And not the proverbial tomorrow!
AdLib : Killgore, may I second Choicelady and say that you are a strong writer and you absolutely should write that article and more!
AlphaBitch : AdLib: On your topic. Agree with my sig other, Funkman, it’s over. But did you see Jeb Bush push for Rubio as VP?? Told ya! Think the fact Jebbers signed the STand your Ground law MIGHT hurt, though
SueInCa : Mittens will be the candidate all the GOP will get on board with. They will turn over the etch a sketch and if you question them you will be asking gotcha questions nothing new there
Sabreen60 : Adlib, Are you trying to tell us something?? Just kidding
choicelady : AdLib – I heard tonight that if Saitorum wins LA, Mitt will be slowed waaaay down. Louisiana? That is significant? who knew?
SallyT : POKEWEED!
choicelady : kes – that is about all I DO recall of Latin.
funksands : Ad, its over. Let the long loveless marriage of convenience begin….just as I predicted lo so many months ago… (patting back)
BourneID : I don’t know where I am – I keep losing my place here. I also confused because CL and I look so much alike that I think I’m reading something I wrote then I see it’s a smart comment so I know it’s not mine. I find to find you all again.
SueInCa : ok my blonde roots are showing I am missing what I think may be a joke?
AdLib : NEXT TOPIC: IS THE GOP RACE ESSENTIALLY OVER? SANTORUM HAS SUNK HIMSELF BIG TIME WITH ENDORSING OBAMA OVER MITT. ROMNEY HAS ALL THE GOP ELITE CLAMORING FOR THE RACE TO BE OVER…BUT WILL THIS BACKFIRE WITH THE TEABAGGERS AND MIGHT ROMNEY NOT GET ENOUGH DELEGATES BEFORE THE CONVENTION?
SallyT : POWWOW!
MurphTheSurf3 : KT…I second CL’s commendation.
AlphaBitch : Sue: Batboy is Michelle Bachman’s twin
SueInCa : what is the batboy section?
AlphaBitch : I stay on the Elvis page.
funksands : AB, you know me so well….
kesmarn : Amo, amas, amat, Sabreen! Remember those?
SueInCa : KT just do it I did and am on two sites now
AlphaBitch : Funk: Do you like pina coladas?? And getting caught in the rain?
AdLib : Funk – I spend most of my time at HP on the Batboy section.
KillgoreTrout : I did notice that Tree of Life is very Taoist in nature. I could almost combine the two.
Sabreen60 : Nah. It means the girl is beautiful. It’s what I remember after 3 yrs of Latin-oh wait – hic, hec, hoc
choicelady : KT – you write brilliantly! GO fo it!
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne….realit y is….most of my root comments DO NOT get much in the way of reply…WHY? The structure there works against it. In Pundit Boxes one can get a lot of comments. I publish in a pundit box about every 10 days….so….
KillgoreTrout : Murph, I don’t write enough, as I think I should. Sometimes I lack the self confidence to get me started. I do plan to write on the Tao Te Ching, which a few people recommende a while ago. But man, with subject matter like that, where does one begin?
choicelady : aw funk – the Divorce section? Hope it’s mere browsing and not need. We’re here for you!
AdLib : Bourne – The biggest problem I have with HP is that it is a hypocrite when it comes to free expression, the site absolutely does not respect free expression, has blacklists of words and is very manipulative about which comments it allows and doesn’t allow, trying to sustain a level of hostility and conflict while protecting Arianna and the site from criticism. The second big issue I ahve is that they are a corporate fraud trying to pass themselves off as Progressive and populist. AOL is a liberal progressive? Arianna is even thoguh she’s declared she’s never been a Progressive? I just don’t like deceit, hypocrisy and censorship. Other than that, Hp’s just fine.
choicelady : Sue – wow. That WORKS. Love it!
funksands : At HP I troll the Divorce section most days….
SueInCa : CL mine is you are a boil on the butt of humanity
MurphTheSurf3 : Funk…back atcha….love your “light touch” which still packs meaning….
BourneID : Murph, You can’t be serious, At HP you’re one of the most widely read, respected people on the site. You have 4,280 fans and everything you publish brings dozens of thanks and greats and other stuff. Good grief, you have to know that. You lead fantastic conversatios and the one’s don’t agree are already totally entrenched in GOP/Fox crap. Com;n. I’m not going to buy that.
funksands : Kes……you get me man….
choicelady : Murph – are you suggesting we’re wandering a bit?
kesmarn : Catchy, indeed.
AlphaBitch : Makes me think of ……(wait for it) BACON!
funksands : Murph
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib….new topic?
SallyT : PAPOOSE!
choicelady : Sue – a friend once said that of OJ, and I love it, too.
funksands : Catchy no?
kesmarn : funk, “pork of the sun”????
choicelady : funk – Can we call you Sol?
AlphaBitch : Pig of the sun????
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad LIb….a very good and balance HP perspective….H uzzah! But I am still passing your new motto on….it is just TOO GOOD….
funksands : Its my stage name
SueInCa : Too stupid to live I like it CL
KillgoreTrout : Thank you CL. I just love it. True amelioration.
funksands : Puerco del sol
AlphaBitch : SHAME on you Sabreen! If that means what it sounds like it could mean…
MurphTheSurf3 : KT…I love to write and when I spend a lot of time on an article I know it will be widely viewed and be fairly commented on here…at HP that is a crap shoot
AdLib : Just want to be on record, we have many members who blog here and at HP and other sites too, it is 100% cool. I have huge issues with HP but there are many great people commenting over there so it’s important not to conflate the nastiness of Arianna with the real folks over there.
BourneID : AdLib Absolutely know that. It has great potential but there is something that does not balance. Too many people ask why their posts are either removed or don’t make it in the first place. I don’t believe anything should be moderated. What I think is abusive is not what someone else thinks is abusive. If someone doesn’t like adult conversation go to the Disney channel. It’s frustratng. I have a lot of opinions about Arianna based on our shared heritage. Lots I can say but won’t…ambitio us, viscious and very, very…
KillgoreTrout : I do too Sue. The Planet challenges one’s ability to debate AND refines it, I think.
choicelady : Murph – I can see that. It’s just I get enough razz from the idiots who post on the e-version of the Sacramento Bee all of whom are really too stupid to live. That’s enough for me, thanks.
Sabreen60 : Ok, if you guys are gonna speak French and Spanish, I’m gonna speak Latin – ‘Puella est pulchra’.
kesmarn : I kinda got that impression from the Google-ator!
SueInCa : BFF Pendejo means like stupid dick idiot
MurphTheSurf3 : kT…CL…KT names one of the principal reasons I really love the planet
AlphaBitch : Kes: Pendejo roughly translates to asshole.
choicelady : KT – that is a very good observation about the Planet and the level of discourse!
kesmarn : AB, I had to run that Spanish through the google-ator! I was just asking what y’all were saying. Now I have to go back and run pendejo through… You guys are giving me double vision here!
SueInCa : KT I think that way too. I have gone over there from time to time but i get bored real fast
MurphTheSurf3 : CL….actually I enjoy HP, but for very different reasons than I enjoy the PLanet….the experiences are so independent of each other
KillgoreTrout : BID, commenting on HP is akin to a game, let’s say chess. If you play against those you can easily beat, your skill level doesn’t really improve. But on the Planet, where the debate is of a much higher nature, your skill level improves greatly. It may not seem so evident at first, but it happens almost when you aren’t even aware of it.
AlphaBitch : CL: Well, let’s hope so.
choicelady : AB – LOL!!!! EVERYONE knows what pendejo means!!!! That is TOO funny!
MurphTheSurf3 : AdLib…I am going to pass your “new”HP motto on to the managers I know there…..IT IS GREAT!!!!!
AlphaBitch : AL: I thought it was “Let me tell you if I think what you said is acceptable to moi”
choicelady : Bourne – either you’re a woman and fooled me, or they are incredibly limited in their vocabulary!
AlphaBitch : AH’s voice is as grating to me now as Ms. Palin’s.
AdLib : Bourne – HP is changing their motto to, “If you have something to say, have it moderated on HuffPost!”
Sabreen60 : Thanks Murph!
MurphTheSurf3 : Sab…sure
choicelady : Murph – you deserve a medal! That takes fortitude!
AlphaBitch : For real, I once got asked by the large law firm I worked at in Seattle if I spoke Spanish (un poquito) and if I knew what the word “pendejo” meant. I did.
KillgoreTrout : I just can abide all the censorship at HP. If you don’t kiss AH’s ample posterior, you chances of getting posted are slim.
Sabreen60 : Murph, can I hate Arianna?
MurphTheSurf3 : CL…as the Blues Brothers would say….I’m on a Mission from God…so I soldier on at the Happy Place, HP.
SallyT : TONKA!
choicelady : AB – MUY MUY poquito!
BourneID : Murph. I don’t hate HP really. But I do hate the disingenuous message: “If you have something to say say it on HuffPost.” All BS; unless the fiters are goint insane. I HATE that everything I write is approved before being published. Can’t violate the guidelines. Then we have poster who disagrees with me and calls me a “cunt” “bitch” :whor” and she’s still posting. Why?
AlphaBitch : CL; Mi hermana!
choicelady : kes – No, Senora, pero hablo Espanol un poquito.
AlphaBitch : Kes: Lo siento, pero no entiendo.
MurphTheSurf3 : AL…no, it is not a good idea to hate HP…..just to question and challenge it a bit as you do…..(giggle, snort, guffaw, laught, chortle)
choicelady : Murph – I DO hate HP because I get cut out all the time while the nasties get to say what they want. I almost never go there anymore, tho Chris Rodda of Military Religious Freedom Fdn. does post there a lot.
kesmarn : Was sprechen sie??
SallyT : HOW!
AlphaBitch : Allah! Chibolasti!
AdLib : CL – Je m’excuse!
choicelady : AdLib – you’re an elitist – you speak French just like Mittens! Cool, IMHO, for you if not for him.
kesmarn : Bourne, I meant to say welcome earlier, before the tech issue. But now — a belated “welcome to Vox!”
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…do not hate HP…it is just a different experience and taking part there has a different purpose.
AdLib : Bourne, c’est une bonne idee!
SueInCa : Adlib I know and some of the shit from fox I just want to brain them more than normal. Actually I would like to trip them on the street
BourneID : I’m enjoying this, Murph. You’re right,I now officially hate HP.
KillgoreTrout : I have mixed feelings about Maher. Sometimes he can be right on target, and other times he’s just an elitist dick!
choicelady : Bourne – oh good! I want to learn French, so bring it on!
AlphaBitch : CL: Crap and Newt has that moon colony and all.
BourneID : I’m still here. Trying to reach the top of the mountain where all of you are. Next week I’m posting in French, just to get even.
SallyT : I still like Real Time. I know, so what? But just saying.
SueInCa : me too murph me too i have to leave for a week or two then go back to watching
choicelady : AB – I thought spacecraft were outlawed in the Hunger Games? No extra help to Fatty Newt.
AdLib : Sue – It sure looks like there was a simple racist mindset, the white man shot a black boy, no crime here.
Sabreen60 : Murph, I agree with you about Maher.
AlphaBitch : Newt can’t run as fast as Sweater Man. Poot has Calista and her spacecraft
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…y’all still there? Getting winded?
SueInCa : sick rantorum LOL
choicelady : Murph – thank you! I will LOVE reading it!
AlphaBitch : Thanks, Sue. It’s what I would do.
choicelady : AB – Newt would be easy prey.
MurphTheSurf3 : CL…I will work on reworking my piece to publish here
SueInCa : AB you always come up with the best names
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…that is a Hunger Games I would go to see.
AlphaBitch : HA! Or Newt (he could stand to lose a few), Mittens and Sick Rantorum?
KillgoreTrout : AdLib, that sounds juicy!
SueInCa : AL now I would pay to see that
MurphTheSurf3 : Sue-+-maher wears on me….despite his gift to Priorities USA…part of the uncivil dialogue.
choicelady : Murph – no , although my organization has an amicus in, I’m not writing about it. I would LOVE to read what you have. I’ve heard from some folks that even if the mandate goes, there are major fallback plans. I’d like to read whatever you post.
AdLib : How about having a Hunger Games between Glenn Greenwald, Jane Hamsher, Arianna Huffington and Adam Green?
SueInCa : maher is an egotistical goon he does not care
choicelady : Sue – oh it’s GREAT e’cat got health coverage, but I’m for ALL cats getting care! Good for her though – I’m really glad about that. Boomer1949 did, too. She got the first help for her (I think) arthritis and other pains she’d had in YEARS.
SallyT : Bill has gotten a lot of comments about it too on his site, Sab!
SueInCa : Trayvon Martin no one has answered the ? why was the guy in the white shirt on top and the pd let him go?
MurphTheSurf3 : Choice….are you going write anything on the SCOTUS hearings this week. I have a “what if” piece done re. possible decisions from the court…what do you think.
Sabreen60 : Oh and Sally – I tweeted Bill Maher and gave him chit about having the arse on his show.
Sabreen60 : Sally, as soon as I saw him I changed the channel.
SueInCa : CL LOL no silly e;cat
KillgoreTrout : Sue, I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.
SueInCa : Funk did you watch him? Not sure I want to
SueInCa : murph going to rent it you and KT recommend I know it is good
AdLib : Sue – We’ve been discussing Trayvon Martin, the connection to OWS and other uprisings due to the overall issue of injustice oppressing most Americans.
Sabreen60 : #ILikeObamaCare was trending most of the day on Twitter.
SallyT : Sabreen, don’t watch Glenn Greenwald! He was a jerk on there!
choicelady : Sue – cats get care? How cool!
MurphTheSurf3 : Sue…Tree is on DVD…powerful film.
SueInCa : /well KT I think alot of your opinion so I will go get it
choicelady : Murph – and as much as I’ve been involved in health reform – only yesterday I discovered the non-profit for which I work can claim a TAX CREDIT on 25% of the health premiums we pay!!!!! All businesses and non-profits can get something if the employees in question (non profits) make $50K or less. It’s going to save us a bundle.
funksands : Sabreen why aren’t watching Glenn Greenwald on Maher?
SueInCa : Cat got insurance because of ACA
KillgoreTrout : Sue, yes it is. It’s also available through netflix if you have an account. Really awe inspiring, (as life itself)
SallyT : My daughter has one child in college that she was able to keep insured and another son that graduated HS last year.
MurphTheSurf3 : funk…Obamacare has helped out one relative and two friends kids…..major illness covered for the first time with no cap….you have no idea how this has changed the lives of everyone in the family.
funksands : Great!!
SueInCa : Hey Sabreen
Sabreen60 : Hi Funk, Sally & Sue.
KillgoreTrout : Thanks Murph, back at ya!
AdLib : Funk, we have a number of members who have insurance today because of the ACA, it has had a concrete impact on real people among us here.
SueInCa : Is tree on DVD?
AlphaBitch : Funk: Me, cuz I don’t have to pay for ER care for children w/o insurance!
kesmarn : funk, a woman at our church has a 22 year old son @ home, not in college. Has coverage, thanks to ObamaCares!
choicelady : funk – bito, KQ, Murph all have stories. I’ve helped direct several people to the High Risk Pool and others to community clinics that give full service. It WORKS.
MurphTheSurf3 : KT…always knew you were/are brilliant…Tree of Life Appreciation is a sign of very high intelligence
SueInCa : Funk I hve twice 200 off each year of my health care payments
funksands : Well there you go….
SallyT : Funk, my oldest daughter with her two grown children!
KillgoreTrout : Speaking of movies, I think murph suggested a thread about the movie the Tree Of Life, a few eeks ago. I just saw it last night and was awestuck by it. A great film.
funksands : Hi Miz Sally
SueInCa : Whats the story tonite?
choicelady : ADLib – hope you’re right! Just kinda creeped me out. But I KNOW it’s not a polemical movie or set of books.
funksands : Anyone here know anyone that already has benefited from ObamaCare?
SallyT : Well there you are, Funk!
SueInCa : Murph Murph Murph…..tired tired tired and Hey Adlib CL and BFF
AlphaBitch : Happy Obamacare to you, Happy Obamacare to you (and you and you)
choicelady : funk – YES!!! Happy 2nd Anniversary!!!
funksands : AB!!! TOO LATE!!!
MurphTheSurf3 : FUNK! THERE YOU ARE! Happy 2nd for Obamacare….SCO TUSFest Next Week
kesmarn : Hey, funk!
AdLib : Funkmaster!
choicelady : Hey Sue! How ARE you? We’re talking racism, sweater vests (lost the thread on that one, but hey), and margaritas best as I can keep up.
kesmarn : BFF!
AlphaBitch : FUNK! Let’s get this pahty stahted!
AdLib : Hey Sue!
AdLib : CL – I don’t worry as much about movie subtext influencing anyone, young people are all about context when it comes to movies.
SueInCa : Watson!
funksands : Happy 2nd anniversary of ObamaCare! Woo Hoo
kesmarn : Sabreen, I believe the Prez got that Nobel prize for good reason.
AlphaBitch : Remember the Don’t re-nig bumper sticker?????
MurphTheSurf3 : SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE….how are YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU
SallyT : Sherlock!
SueInCa : hey AB
kesmarn : Beneath those sweater vests, lie the hearts of cold blooded killers, AB. Don’t let ’em fool ya!
AlphaBitch : SUE!
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib..I am looking at a framed picture I have of our first family and realizing how many see that same image and are filled with revulsion…so do I think this incident will dampen the racial fires….? NOPE
SueInCa : Hey all hows it?
Sabreen60 : Kes, you may be right. I hadn’t thought of the President in that light.
AlphaBitch : Now just look at my typing with that fourth margarita!
kesmarn : Hey, KT… not to worry. My computer coughed and sputtered the first 15 minutes I was here anyway!
AlphaBitch : Kes: hangin’ with a Damninionist doesn’t see ma s glamorous. Sweater vests and all that.
choicelady : kes – I’m having a real problem with “Hunger Games” because it’s the premise of the religious right that “Christian” teens will have to fight to the death against liberals. I’ve seen stage plays indoctrinating kids in this belief and enrolling them in “Jesus’ Army”. Creeps me out even if the movie is not about that.
KillgoreTrout : Hey kes. I was bit slow on saying Hi.
AdLib : AB – Then we could have some worrisome confrontations between hateful racist Repubs and Trayvon/OWS protesters this year. It could get bad in this nation.
BourneID : No adlib I don’t think there will be any relaxatioh in attacks on the Prez. The problem is that Fox keeps it up daily and MSNBC is so fascinated by everything Fox does that they spend most of their air time repeating it. We;re really Fox news watchers.
kesmarn : Heh… I’m pretty open about hanging out with my Muslim friends, AB! I was talking about the Dominionists and their “rid the world of infidels” agenda that c’lady mentioned!
Sabreen60 : AdLib, sadly, no.
MurphTheSurf3 : Sabreen…got your message and understand your intention…with out a focus for a message of peace, of passive, non violent resistance who is charismatic and nationally recognized….ke eping the peace is harder
KillgoreTrout : Good point AdLib, I surely hope so. Intelligent people everywhere are sick of this shit.
AlphaBitch : I miss Glenn Becks’ chalkboard.
AlphaBitch : AdLib: Unfortunately, no.
KillgoreTrout : AhHa! Just as I’d suspected. Just DON’T PANIC!
AlphaBitch : Member our Secret Muslim Society, Kes???
Sabreen60 : CL, I wasn’t talking about the protesters. I was speaking in general – replying to what Murph had said.
KillgoreTrout : AB, same here. I was hiking in SoCal and actually stepped on the thing. i was like those cartoon characters who jump up with legs spping like chopper blades and hang in midair. Scared the beejejus out of me.
AdLib : Does anyone think that this heightened national movement against racism will blunt the racist attacks being ginned up against Obama for the GE?
AlphaBitch : I lost mine TOO, CL! Going to buy a new one.
kesmarn : c’lady…unbeli evable that “they” think killing the “infidels” is the road to glory.
SallyT : AdLib did you say 4:20????
AlphaBitch : And my answer is: Jakarta.
choicelady : AB – that is an incredible book. I lost my copy and have a new one precisely to start reviewing the connections to the RW Dominionists. Creeeeeepy. Amazing book, that.
AdLib : Killgore – My only answer to that is…42.
choicelady : Sabreen – I’d have to slightly disagree. The folks talking about Trayvan have been superb on the issue of non-violence and justice, not vengeance. I am over the moon at the new, younger voices from the Black community!
AlphaBitch : AdLib: naughty, naughty.
KillgoreTrout : AdLib, is your last name Beeblebrox by any chance?
BourneID : Murph you lie! You know I’m right when I tell you there are people lurking around the corners.
kesmarn : Sabreen, this generation’s MLK may well be the Prez himself. He talks of peace the way no one else does.
MurphTheSurf3 : BLAME the HOODIE….Keith O is showing Geraldo and Bill O in Hoodies and the Fox web pages featuring Fake News Hoodie wear….
AlphaBitch : Yep, KT. Almost stepped on rattler in Big Bend. Looked and thought: why is that stick swaying? Then realized what it was (the sound) and did a one legged sideways leap about 20 yards! It was a pygmy rattler, and they seldom give warning.
choicelady : kes – They believe if Jesus came back he’d have an AK 47. They have convinced themselves there is a “code” in the Bible that says all that ‘blessed are the peacemakers’ stuff is no longer operative in preparation for the End Times and that Jesus WANTS them to kill us infidels. The perversions of Christianity are long and rampant. This takes the cake.
AdLib : AB – I have two laptops, four hands and three Cosmos…so I have a hand free.
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…I scoff at SOME theories…so do stay away from the tracks.
AlphaBitch : CL: It was amazing!! Photos and all.
KillgoreTrout : AB, that is truly a sound to be respected! It’s like when you first hear a rattlesnakes rattler go off. You know instantly it’s not to be messed with.
AlphaBitch : Thanks AdLib too scared I’ll miss something to go find. Do you have dueling ‘tomputers up and running?
choicelady : AB!!!! THAT is the BOOK I was referring to! Put that together with Jeff Sharlet’s “The Family” about the C Street people, and…
BourneID : Murph, You no longer scoff at conspiracy theories? May I quote you next time you tell me to stay away from the railroad tracks? Love it!
MurphTheSurf3 : AL…thank you
kesmarn : c’lady, the Dominionists and others who stalk…so many claim to be religious. Have to ask who would Jesus stalk?
Sabreen60 : Murph, the scary thing is that we do not have a Martin Luther King. There is no one talking about turn the other cheek or passive resistance. There are guns all over predominately black communities, too. If we are not careful, things could turn ugly and a lot of blood could be wasted.
AlphaBitch : Not going yet, CL. You ain’t that lucky.
AdLib : Here is the link to Trayvon’s family’s petition to arrest ZImmerman: «link»
KillgoreTrout : Should I say good nite to you AB?
AlphaBitch : CL: Read the book Best Evidence by David Lipton on the JFK assassination. Made me a believer.
choicelady : AB – get some rest. We all of us need to do that. The world is too much with us. Sleep well!
AlphaBitch : Thanks, AdLib. Pour generously, please
MurphTheSurf3 : CL…paranoia is fully justified given what we know, and assume we do not know. I use to be scornful of conspiracy theories automatically… no more
AlphaBitch : No not yet, kes! As to home guns: I like a pump shotgun. That sound alone can scare the beejeebus out of ya!
choicelady : Sally – I know. But my other alternative is a taser.
AdLib : AB – Maybe another shot of Tequila will keep you up?
choicelady : Murph – when I saw Trayvan’s photo, that WAS my first thought – he could be Obama’s son. F*CK Newt Gingrich!!!
kesmarn : AB! Just when I get connected again, you’re leaving?!
MurphTheSurf3 : AB thanks for your great contribution tonight…see ya
choicelady : AB – I wish you were closer!
KillgoreTrout : CL, I too don’t favor concealed carry, but I do favor having a gun for home defense. If somebody breaks into your house, you can be sure it’s to bake you a cake. And you would have every right to use that gun. Though I hope it never comes down to that. I would never want to be in a position were I had to take someone’s life.
AlphaBitch : Sorry – I hate to leave to get the link. I poop out around 10:30 (my time, 8:30 AdLib’s which is why he thinks I’m such a pantywaist)
choicelady : Murph and AdLib – I deeply worry about Obama because of the power of “The Family” who have the deep ties in the CIA and other RW parts of the government including military to pull off an assassination. I have creepy ideas that they may have been behind JFK, MLK, Jr., and RFK. I don’t have an ounce of proof, but some strings tie up making me worry a great deal. I never turn on the TV in the morning without worrying it will be like 1963 and 1968.
kesmarn : Thanks AdLib. Sorry for the disruption. I think my son has it fixed now. It was a Flash-blocker recently installed — needed to be disabled.
AlphaBitch : I hate, hate, hate bullies. Of any color, size, shape or stripe. Pissed me off so bad that I’ll put my own life in jeopardy to stand up bare fisted (like a real man, Zimmer-pseudoman )
SallyT : CL, the point I was making is that with bow and arrow you have to take time to focus before you fire.
MurphTheSurf3 : DOES ANYONE HAVE THE LINK TO THE NATIONAL MILLION PLUS PETITION TO ARREST ZIMMERMAN.
AdLib : Kes – Not sure about the Flash aspect of Vox, it doesn’t work on my iPhone but it does work on Macs.
MurphTheSurf3 : OBAMA: If I had a son he would look like Trayvon….JUST HEARD IT AGAIN AND MY HEART STOPPED…I so fear the guns and Barack connection….pr ay for, hope for Our President
AlphaBitch : CL: Wish I was closer!
KillgoreTrout : That’s the horrifying part Sabreen. This ass wipe still has the murder weapon!
choicelady : Sally – I’m thinking more about household defense rather than “open carry”!!!! We’ve had to consider getting a gun due to our Dominionist stalkers (caught on tape but all masked) and decided NOT to do it. But…
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib….very wise and an astonishingly good summary on quick notice…as always.
AlphaBitch : AdLib: me too (about Obama). I have nightmares. Thanks God they are just that – nightmares and not visions.
SallyT : Well, CL, they aren’t that easy to pull out of your vest and shot!
MurphTheSurf3 : CL…I am a gun owner for much the same reason but well secured in my home. Most around here know I am a gun owner as I go to the range 2 or 3 times a year and practice with them.
choicelady : AdLib – I worry a LOT about Obama’s safety!
Sabreen60 : I think people, especially black people know that are boys and men are at risk all the time. I think what I’m amazed with is that the lid is still on this pot. Why? Where is Zimmerman? Has he fled the country? Does anyone believe that had that been a white kid laying dead in the street that the killer would be free – with his gun?
KillgoreTrout : Murph, I hope all the haters down there ARE nervous. They should be.
choicelady : Sally – I want to learn to use bows and arrows!
AdLib : Murph and Bourne – Agreed, if the 1% are able to keep oppressing the majority and protecting and promoting the racists who vote for their candidates, there could start to be more confrontational and even violent protests out of desperation. The OWS and Trayvon protests are all peaceful and there is a confidence that peaceful protest can bring about change. But in light of the militia like tactics of police forces around the country and depending on if there are more incidents of violence related to racism against black people, they may become more oppressive against peaceful protest and we could see a situation like the 1970’s when violence in society became widespread…and I say this cautiously, we lost good and important people in this country back then…I worry a bit about Obama’s safety.
KillgoreTrout : And human rights AB.
AlphaBitch : Murph: they need to be wearing their brown pants.
choicelady : Murph – I have a friend in hiding from the Skinheads and KKK. She has three guns. I was with her one night after she’d given a presentation (fairly stupidly I think) on domestic terrorism, and we heard people around the house. I called my husband to alert him – I was scared to death – and stepped out on the porch with the phone and said, “Rosemary has gone to the car to get the guns.” And the noise stopped. I am ALL for her having guns! And she KNOWS how to use them! Not all liberals are anti-gun. They saved her life more than once. She has 9 dogs, too.
MurphTheSurf3 : KT…it has to make the locals nervous to have the FBI down there and being summoned to DC by the DOJ as they were
AlphaBitch : KT: How about his constitutional right to life?????
KillgoreTrout : Maybe the Feds can get Zimmerman for violating Trayvon’s civil rights. He surely did that.
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…all true
AlphaBitch : Murph: HA! Yep LardAss lives in Lardedo. Or maybe Lardildo.
MurphTheSurf3 : AB LARDEDO is where Rush lives….right?
BourneID : Murph. I know, we’ve talked about this. I had a conversation today with a guy who doesn’t trust any of us enought to want to get connected. It’s easy talking to him. I said, you’re a black mand and I’m a white woman, which gives me an edge over black women. With the hostility now in place in our country, it’s not hard to understand but as I said to him, if you talk only to blacks and I talk only to whites, what is lost of 50 years of effort?
AlphaBitch : AdLib is flashing again???
MurphTheSurf3 : AdLib….you KNOW I want to believe you….you also KNOW how skeptical I am since I live in rural Missouri where the culture is so influenced by Fake News and Friends
SallyT : Shit, AB, and us Indians will still have bow and arrows!!!!
kesmarn : AdLib…small tech question here. Does Vox have any sort of Flash component at all? Seems that might be my problem.
AlphaBitch : Laredo? (although lard is often used)
AlphaBitch : Murph: Great. a wild west shoot out. What’s to keep us from becoming Lardedo?
MurphTheSurf3 : There is a black leader (city councilman from FL) in Flordia who I heard today on the radio who made this point: Be careful. Guns can be purchased by blacks as well as whites and stand your ground is our ground too.
KillgoreTrout : You are right, we ARE better than that. But when the cops and justice system are so corrupt, then what? They’ve pretty much fixed it so Zimmerman can walk.
AlphaBitch : AdLib: There are pockets of those for sure. And the south is full of them.
AdLib : Murph – But FOx et al are only connecting with the same 25% of the country who are racists. They are alienating and not connecting with the rest of America. They look evil to reasonable people and I do think that, though they may be ignorant and easily misled, the majority of Americans are not hateful, bloodthirsty people.
KillgoreTrout : Thanks AdLib. No, I wouldn’t do anything like that, but as I say, I would not feel one bit sorry Zimmerman if did.
AlphaBitch : Kes: tell him to get to it muy rapido.
Sabreen60 : CL, I think it was Rachel who had the story about another kid that was shot and killed. I forget where, but the gist of the story was kids were having a party and someone called the police. When the cops came the kids ran. One boy ran in a closed in porch of a house and the home owner came out and shot him dead. The state had a “Stand Your Ground” law and because the kid was on the property of the homeowner, the homeowner was not charged. The child looked like he may have been 15 or 16. So it’s going to be open season for sure on young black men with these laws.
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…you are naming the powder key which lies beneath singular events like this one…most frightening.
kesmarn : So sorry, folks…Son has been asked to assist with major computer issue here…
AdLib : Killgore, I know how you feel and I wouldn’t blame Trayvon’s family for imagining the same but the difference between us and them is that we don’t kill the people we decide deserve it. I know you never would and I fully connect with the frustrating feeling that this asshole should be made to pay for his crime. I do have confidence that he will, now that the Feds are involved.
AlphaBitch : How can the James Byrd story have ended with the perps being arrested? East Texas is the pits, I tell ya.
BourneID : Sabreena, agree, but there is no absence of blacks in Sacramento and even on my block. I taught in a school, one of Sacramento’s most danger and difficult neighborhoods; half my students were black; many angry, I understood and din’t blame them at all. The Florida situation infuriates me. I’m not surprised at what Zimmerman did; there are two men on my blcok who wouldn’t hesitate; they’re disgusting.
MurphTheSurf3 : CL…the justified homicide rate has tripled in Florida since this law passed…so…..
choicelady : ADLib – they have to. OMG the things I’ve seen. And I freely admit I flee – I’m terrified of OPD. NOT as terrified as of the Modest PD – I’ll tell the story of San Joaquin County another time. It’s everywhere.
AlphaBitch : And ALL Muslims. Terrorists, no. Muslims, yes. They are not one and the same.
AdLib : CL – And the Feds stepped in to oversee the Oakland PD, how can they do otherwise after all of the racism this police force has exhibited over the years?
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…what worries me regarding your question is the power of the plutocracy to buy the influence they need to push the electorate where they want them to go. I have watched the spin on the Martin shooting at Fox and on the Washington Times and World Net Daily….you can see the twist happening.
KillgoreTrout : AB, it truly would be Karma.
choicelady : AdLib – I do think this is a uniting event. I don’t know how many white people attended the FL rally (did not see any) but there have been massive outcries nationally by all kinds of people wanting justice for Trayvan. And frankly – ALL young men of color.
AlphaBitch : KT: What you are advocating is karma, not vigilanteism.
KillgoreTrout : I do not advocate vigilantism, but when the justice system fails this miserably, one should not be surprised if Zimmerman got what is coming to him. I would not shed a single tear.
choicelady : KT and everyone – what I would like to emphasize is that Trayvan is not alone. This happens every single day in Oakland at the HANDS of the police. Read “The New Jim Crow” by Michelle Alexander. It IS going on everywhere – but not by civilians, it’s “under cover of authority”.
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…here is the link for the FAU student snapping…http: //www.nydailynew s.com/news/natio nal/fau-student- snaps-lecture-ev olution-article- 1.1048210?localL inksEnabled=fals e
Sabreen60 : Hi Bourne. We all should be cautious to some degree. But the media has vilified young black men for the last 30 or more years – at least in major media markets. I think it was brought out in the 2008 campaign that in some media markets where there are low numbers of black residents, white folks have not been exposed to the constant image of young black men in handcuffs. Therefore, they haven’t been as brainwashed.
AdLib : SO folks, does it seem likely or unlikely that all of the unrest in America against injustice, in business, in wealth, in opportunity, in race, in class…will this all come together in a movement that makes for a real political revolution in this country or will people remain divided to a degree, as part of the 99% OR against American racism but not all together against an unjust society? Or might that be where we’re headed?
SallyT : It was as if the police were looking for more reasons why the kid was shot.
AlphaBitch : Can you imagine how contaminated ANY surviving “evidence” will be now???
AlphaBitch : Good points, Sally.
choicelady : Murph – you are not wrong. Not at all. Zimmerman deserves a clean defense. But it’s going to be almost impossible to find someone who has not heard him disobey the 911 operator and keep on pursuing Trayvan. But the REAL issue IS the police misconduct, and what I want to know is – does this happen in ALL “stand your ground” cases? Is it now license to kill and pretend you were threatened? Is there NO standard of investigation in such matters? Yoweeeee.
KillgoreTrout : This whole repulsive incident could have been taken right out of the pre-civil rights days of old. By making no arrest, the cops ensured no conviction could be possible.
SallyT : A couple of other things, they did a drug test on Martin and a background check on Martin and nothing on the shooter!
AlphaBitch : Yes’m Ms. Kes.
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne….had not made that connection…not hing I saw indicated that but anything is possible.
kesmarn : Oooooh, AB! And presents in the mail? Iz u a-courtin’?
AlphaBitch : AdLib: Did you give Kes a hall pass? She’s gone agin.
MurphTheSurf3 : AdLib…yep….b asic police procedure, but their minds were made up….
BourneID : Hey Murph, you think that video we talked about today – the black girl who went bonkers in her evolution class might have been reacting to the Florida situation as well? Just a thought. Lots of connections but it way beyond a meltdown.
MurphTheSurf3 : CL…pretty sure you are correct….but not with the confidence that we can assess the failures by the PD
AlphaBitch : Kes: Let me warm it up, honey!
choicelady : kes – In Sarah’s case it’s her morals. You are vastly her superior.
kesmarn : AB, Sarah and I have only one thing in common, apparently — our frozenness. Only in my case, it’s only the computer.
AdLib : Return of the Kesi!
MurphTheSurf3 : Let me toss out the gross misconduct by the police in this matter. THE POLICE DID NOT INVESTIGATE. They assumed that Z was innocent and the black kid was guilty. No evidence was kept. No photos taken. The gun is still in his hands. etc.
AlphaBitch : Kes is gone again.
choicelady : Murph – 999,999 times out of a million I’d agree were it not for the 911 calls. I do hold to “innocent until proven guilty”, but it’s damned hard to hang onto that in this case. DAMNED hard. You ARE correct, though. If the PD had stepped up to the plate immediately, much of the outrage would NOT be occurring. It’s the ‘OK buddy, you killed in self defense ’cause you say so, so head on home now. See ya.”
KillgoreTrout : Hey Sabreen. For sure. trayvon could have easily passed for Obama’s son. Very similar features.
SallyT : Sabreen, I thought the point the President was making is that this is the first time a President could relate to the issue with a black son being shot.
AdLib : Murph – Even in a case of self-defense, any police force that is not corrupt would impound the gun, collect evidence and take statements until the DA or other entity advised them otherwise.
AlphaBitch : Sabreen: Agreed. Got some Newt brains on me this afternoon!
Sabreen60 : I will admit I love it when Repubs heads explode. And the comment Pres. Obama made about if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon is making their heads explode.
AlphaBitch : Oh Kes of the frozen computer1 Hangin’ with Sarah much????
AdLib : Bourne – A helpful function is using the “+” and “-” links under the bottom right corner of the comment display box, it will shrink or enlarge the comment box to make it more visible. Try it!
BourneID : Sabreen, hello. We’re just meeting. I live in relatively safe, quiet neighborhood; all professionals; we have a neighborhood watch and the neighbors are absolutely paranoid about anyone on the blaock they don’t recognize. It’s ridiculous and I refuse to be involved in it.
AlphaBitch : You go, KT!
kesmarn : Heh heh…So sorry folks. The minute I signed in my computer froze and I had to do that cache clearing, refreshing thing and start all over again. Soooooo….where are we?
choicelady : AdLib – a Black man shooting a white man and successfully claiming Stand Your Ground? Hahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha! Riiiiiight.
KillgoreTrout : A lot of people are talking about racism, but I think Zimmerman was one of the assholes that was just itching to shoot someone. It could have been anyone under those circumstances. Afro Americans aren’t the only people who wear hoodies. I got one and it’s black too.
AlphaBitch : Thanks muchly, Bourne! What is this PL Murph keeps posting????
MurphTheSurf3 : Let’s not forget that we do not ABSOLUTELY KNOW WHAT ZIMMERMAN OR MARTIN DID…..but….. WE DO KNOW THAT THE POLICE DID NOT DO….they did not investigate. They did not detain Zimmerman to do forensic testing. They did not keep his gun. They did not keep his clothes. They presumed his innocence under a law which enshrines vigilante behavior. LET’S NOT FORGET WHAT THAT MEANS.
AdLib : Can you imagine if a black man with a history of violence stalked a white teenager for racial reasons and shot him? Any guess as to whether he would be taken at his word that he shot in self defense and never be arrested?
BourneID : AB I haven’t met you, but I do like your screen name. Takes one to know one you know.
choicelady : Sally – either way Trayvan was no stranger, that I did understand.
AlphaBitch : Tequila. Da da da da da da dada (PeeWee’s Big Adventure)
BourneID : Murph and KT thanks. I’m interested inall the topics and like the freeflow, but I just realized that I need to be at the top of the page to keep up with the conversation.
SallyT : CL maybe it was his uncle but I thought it was his father that lived there. Still he was there often.
choicelady : AB – I like my Lamb with Chardonnay. You?
AdLib : Bourne – When the comments are coming fast and furiously, just pick one you want to respond to and don’t worry that you’re missing some. You can catch up after you post. They come in ebbs and flows…
Sabreen60 : CL, You’re right. The head of the Neighborhood Watch Assoc was on Ed’s show. Zimmerman was a loose canon. According to this guy their people are NEVER to carry any weapons. They are never to pursue or confront.
choicelady : Sally – that is a very good point! I was, however, under the impression his UNCLE lived there, and that Trayvan was visiting – and also that he was over there A LOT. Either way, Zimmerman knew nothing, cared nothing. Just an easy mark for his rage against young black men.
AlphaBitch : Let’s do a tee shirt of Zimmerman’s photo with jail bars superimposed on his face!
KillgoreTrout : Thank you AB. I have my moments!
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne….the key is to write what you want and just post….read along, react, and see if you set off replies…very free flowing…why I like it.
AlphaBitch : CL: Honored beyond all belief.
KillgoreTrout : BID, don’t woory too much about typos, at this pace it’s hard to not make them.
SallyT : Well, if Zimmerman was the Neighborhood Watch, he didn’t know the neighborhood he was watching since Martin lived there!!
choicelady : AB – you HAVE drive, intelligence, and passion! We just have different JOBS! But it does show we’re sisters since we both love Lamb.
AlphaBitch : KT: You are such the gentleman. Bourne -sorry it’s rapid fire. I’ve been gone for months during this house sale and just glad to be back.
choicelady : KT – they keep saying Zimmerman was a Block Watch volunteer. NO! He was out all on his own. There was no neighborhood or block watch at ALL.
AlphaBitch : Wow, CL. So much in common. I’m honored, but I wish I had more of your drive and intelligence and passion instead of just horror stories (and, I have to say, love of Lamb)
KillgoreTrout : AB, I think were all adults here. But I would not use profanity if someone here found it offensive.
choicelady : AB – I am the one who used f*cking as the whole, unadulterated word. And me the alter ego of the Church Lady.
AdLib : CL – Indeed, that’s my point, the emoprogs are locked into loving themselves against all others, including the public good.
BourneID : Everybody, I’m still hee; Bod you guys talk fast, but very interesting. I’m stay with you but silently.
choicelady : AB – oh how awful! I am scared of flying. Do it now but did not for 16 years. Stuff like that – you have NO control. That plane that crashed in the ice storm near Buffalo 2 years ago had two people whom I knew on it, and it still makes me clench up thinking about it.
AlphaBitch : ADLib: Shame AdLib. what will Bourne think with all our language? At least Sabreen and I used f*cking. Could have been “facking”. Or “ficking”. Or even “fecking” (which I believe is the Irish pronunciation)
choicelady : AdLib – the idea of GG fucking himself moves the analysis of the hair on fire Emoprogs in a whole new direction. Now we can see they love no one BUT themselves. All works out.
KillgoreTrout : Absolutel CL. And this guy had no legal right to confront Trayvon. The cops don’t even have that right unless there is reasonable cause to investigate.
AlphaBitch : CL: Five. Wow. I had two friends murdered. I’ve also lost one in a plane crash (the Value Jet in the Everglades)
MurphTheSurf3 : AB…link for that Zimmerman petition please. AND I vote Dem on the local and state level almost entirely (with some well known GOP exceptions) but for the presidency I was GOP…NO MORE
AdLib : AB – Nope, Glenn Greewald fucks himself, Maher wouldn’t have a shot at him.
choicelady : Murph – good for Cenk!
choicelady : AB – OMG I know that book though not yet read it. I’m so, so sorry. And yes – been down a different but related road from the religious right nutters. I’ve lost five friends to their murderous ways.
AdLib : Murph – If the NRA story, which is 100% fabricated because they have no idea what happened, continues to be promoted by them, they should be publicly attacked for sanctioning murder. If anyone wants to kill anyone else, all they have to do is stalk them then either taunt them into striking out or just lie and fake a struggle and murders will be rampant.
Sabreen60 : These “Make My Day” and “Stand Your Ground” laws are insane. Indiana just passed a law that gives people the right to use deadly force against cops. Now I know police abuse happens far, far too often, but they might want to rethink this law. I would imagine there are a few people out there with serious beefs at cops.
MurphTheSurf3 : Cenk Unygur on Current TV’s Young Turks just tore an NRA schill named Pratt a new asshole…..he said that Martin was the aggressor and gave up all his rights…..Cenk went nuts. Normally I do not care for that, but tonight it felt right.
KillgoreTrout : Yeah Cl, although not surprised, i was disgusted about it. I hope the SS hounds her every move. Santorum had not choice but to denounce her remark. He could be a target too, and he knows that the media will jum all over him if he didn’t denounce her. I bet secretly he thought it was funny.
AlphaBitch : CL: Thanks. Sounds like you’ve been down that road too. I was the one who talked her into actually going through the divorce. But I have to say – I saw her several times a few weeks before the murder, and she was happy because she was FREE. You can read about it in the book by Ann Rule called Dead by Sunset.
choicelady : KT – he was following Trayvan. There is NO ‘stand your ground’ when YOU are the stalker. Now how many abusers stalked their women, killed them and claimed THEY felt threatened?
choicelady : Oh AB – just read the story. I’m so sorry that happened to her and also to you. Wow.
AlphaBitch : Sabreen: DO record it if you see such a thing.
AlphaBitch : KT: Just that. Bullshit.
Sabreen60 : Hehehe, Alpha.
KillgoreTrout : Murph, that gets me too. What does a man who weighs nearly 140 pounds more than Martin, and at least a head taller, have to fear from a 17 year old boy? What kind of Bullshit excuse is that?
choicelady : Hi Sabreen!
choicelady : KT – did you hear that one of Santorum’s supporters said of the target, “Imagine it’s Obama”. He did not hear her – had the ear protection on – and did SORT of denounce it, but so far I don’t think he’s referred to Trayvan’s murder at all.
AlphaBitch : Oh – Sabreen. I thought you saw Bill Maher f*cking Glenn Greenwald. THAT would have been worth tuning into!
MurphTheSurf3 : Ad….I spent an hour on the phone with three Congressional offices today asking about why the Dems are not jumping on this…letter writing starts tomorrow….boy am I ticked.
AdLib : Hey Kes! Hey Sabreen!
AlphaBitch : AL: Thanks AdLib. It took me years. The guy was a heck of a sociopath.
Sabreen60 : Turned on the TV and who should I see on Bill Maher? F*King Glenn Greenwald.
AdLib : AB – That’s horrible! I’m so sorry!
choicelady : KT – I agree about self defense. I’m not a pacifist and have had too much violence in my life not to be aware I’d fight back. But this law is bizarre – and Rachel last night pointed out there was not one single case showing the NEED for the law. And under the law 65 people have died. WTF????
KillgoreTrout : How stupid can Santorum get, bt campaigning at a gun ranges in the midst of this firestorm concerning the TM shooting. I’ll bet the people at the range approved of Martin’s murder. Sick bastards.
AlphaBitch : CL: Or the Racist Whoop Ass?? I like this one better!
Sabreen60 : Hi folks.
MurphTheSurf3 : The Story has now become that Martin had pounced on Zimmerman and then Zimmerman drew his gun…that is the NRA take on this (and as reported in the Orlando Sentinel)….but lets rework this….Martin was being followed by a “stalker”, finally turns on him, there are words, a confrontation in which Martin knocks Zimmerman down….guess what Martin is Standing His Ground- his dad lived in the gated community.
AlphaBitch : I see Sabreen.
choicelady : kes darling! GREAT to see you! How are YOU?
choicelady : AB – I can get down with that. Thanks – takes the queasy away.
AlphaBitch : KES!!!!!! Going to the PO with a gift for you on Monday!!!!
AdLib : CL – Yep, we all remember Reagan’s invention of the Welfare Queen and essentially portraying black people as leeches on white society.
choicelady : AdLib – Zimmerman has not been arrested since the FL police have turned it over to the Feds. But I do believe it will come. I have met the head of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights division, and he’s ON IT.
AlphaBitch : CL: Sure – how about “The Racist Ass Kick”?
kesmarn : Good Friday evening, all! How is everyone tonight?
AdLib : Murph – The Dems have become cowards on the gun issue but this might just be the straw that breaks the camel’s back with Americans and our pressure to reign in guns and permissive gun laws will be the spine Dems need. Sad but true.
KillgoreTrout : I can understand defending one’s self, but the biggest flaw in the Florid law is the part about it being OK to chase someone down and still claim self defense. How can someone be threatened by a person running away from one.
AlphaBitch : AL: I once waited five years for the bastard that beat my friend to death with a flashlight to be arrested (or maybe 6 – long time now). Took everything I had not to do vigilante justice myself. But now he’s in prison in OR without parole.
choicelady : AB – oooo that creeps me out since a lesbian friend of mine was headstomped by a RW religious supremacist. Could we pick another word? That is making me nauseated!
AdLib : AB – But the outrage is that Zimmerman STILL hasn’t been arrested!
choicelady : AdLib – this started with Reagan. He demonized Black people and made it OK to be racist.
MurphTheSurf3 : ALL You know the NRA wants a national law that recognizes the gun permits issued by any state in all states. So, heavy caliber weapons, concealed, carried across the country. At Santorum’s event today someone yelled (on tape) that he should pretend the target is Obama. Pissed Off…you bet.
AlphaBitch : AdLib: New dance craze? The racist stomp??
SallyT : Well, if this man should get off of shooting this young man, it will be a sad country and dangerous! Can you imagine? I don’t think anyone would be safe.
AlphaBitch : I’m delighted that 1.5 million have signed to have Zimmerman arrested.
AdLib : CL – The same racism that we see openly displayed against Obama is what we see in the Trayvon case. It has grown and been justified by the GOP because it is their constituents. The GOP passed the “Stand Your Ground” laws and the “Voter ID” laws. How much racism can be allowed to flourish without the majority stomping down on the racists?
AlphaBitch : Murph – that flippin’ law brought to you by the Koch brothers and the NRA
KillgoreTrout : Very well said CL. I won’t be silent until justice is done. I can’t believe that that this murder of a child has not even been arrested.
BourneID : AdLib, I love this place! And Murph, count on hearing a few choice words now and then since I can’t say them where gestapo lives.
choicelady : KT – yes, there will always be those who think a young man has to die just because he’s Black. The added horror – before the law passed, there was not ONE example by which to prove the need for the law. AFTER it passed – 83 altercations, SIXTY FIVE DEAD. I want the feds to investigate ALL of them.
AlphaBitch : As to Trayvon – I think we all need hoodies (ya’ll hear what Hairalldo said?) that say Here for Trayvon.
MurphTheSurf3 : Santorum celebrated the day by going to the gun range. 20 states have the Stand Your Ground Rule, an NRA endorsed rule, more guns, more profits. 13 justified homicides to 36 a year in FL….same thing happening all across the country.
AlphaBitch : CL: Have one of a horse head!!! We should trade.
KillgoreTrout : AdLib, the whole Trayvon Martin thing really sickens. me. I am not quick to outrage, but this outrages me. When with this sort of shit stop? What makes me even sicker are the right wing haters who are defending Zimmerman, and some actually praising him.
AlphaBitch : Murph: Voted for each candidate based on merit. Very few Pubs, but a few.
SallyT : AB, remember the Paint By Number sets? I did one when I was young of Jesus and my GrandMother framed it. Poor Jesus! He had a mustache like the Mexican Banbeano!
MurphTheSurf3 : AB…and before 2004?
AdLib : Bourne – FYI, you can say “ass” here and every other word you can spell. No moderation or “bad words” here, as long as it’s in jest or otherwise, nothing personal.
choicelady : AdLib – TOPIC. GREAT. I think this is a turning point. There are several layers of horror in this story – his desperation and fear, the disgusting racism underneath his being stalked, the lies, and for me – the lifelong awfulness for his girlfriend who heard the whole thing and was powerless to help. We are through being silent at the murder of our nation’s kids. Enough already. Enough.
AlphaBitch : Murph: I became a straight ticket Dem voter (or yellow dog Dem, as we say here in Texas) in 2004.
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne….you brought it up and yes you can say ass and a good bit more here…..no censorship just plain out politeness.
AlphaBitch : KT: we had a sweet little cottage with a wildscaped yard with a big (10×17) pond. Just oo much work, and old houses (like old ABs) cost too much in upkeep.
MurphTheSurf3 : CL….the plutocracy, kleptocracy may have really overplayed their hand this year…..I have become rabid…..vote Dem at every level for every office no matter what. Don’t even look at the name….vote Dem (and remember I was a GOP on the national level for JFK to CLinton (and then switched to CLinton for his second term, back to Bush II for 2000, and then to Kerry….I shoulda voted for Gore….but am making up for lost time now.)
AlphaBitch : Speaking of childhood toys – my fave was the Jon Gnagy Learn to Draw set. When my mom passed away, she had saved the “drawing” I did of a Mexican in a serape. Trust me, it sucked.
BourneID : And Murphy, don’t be a smart a$$. Can I say that AdLib?
KillgoreTrout : AB, I imagine it’s not easy to sell a house in this economy.
choicelady : Bourne – we’re all young on the Planet, dear. Some of us just have longer memories…
AdLib : Greetings back, Murph! That is exactly the topic I wanted to kick off Vox with tonight. The national outrage that Trayvon Martin’s murder has created does seem a part of the people in this nation being fed up with the injustice that has taken over America and been given free reign. What does this mean for this election year and the future?
BourneID : hoicelady. You said I must be young, which makes you my new BFF.
choicelady : AB – oh wow – that is GREAT news! Congrats on the sale!
AlphaBitch : Thanks Sally. Five long months and too much hard work.
choicelady : Sally – childhood bears some really great memories. You know the book, “In God We Trust – All Others Pay Cash”? It’s the basis for the Christmas Movie with Ralphie and the BB gun. It’s MY childhood. Except for the gun.
AlphaBitch : Breathing a whole lot easier now, KT. Can donate to the Planet again. Told OFA that I’m doing my best to turn the freakin’ economy around, so tight on the donations now.
SallyT : That is wonderful AB!
KillgoreTrout : Congrats AB.
AlphaBitch : AB sold her old house. Yeppers, we are a one home fambly now. Feels sooooo good.
SallyT : CL I don’t remember the year she got it for me but I do remember I was going to a slumber party and she let me take it with me. I was the first to have one! Those brown Jewell Tea Vans!
choicelady : AB – oh that’s a GREAT name, great source! Glad you love the book. It’s just terrific IMHO.
MurphTheSurf3 : CL…patent a cipher, a zero, a zilch….will Mitt would do it ala Bane…why not.
KillgoreTrout : BID, welcome to Vox Populi!
MurphTheSurf3 : BOURNE….I have noted your silence.
AlphaBitch : CL: SO loving that book! I just got to part two, with the famous line by John Prine: Jesus was a good guy; he didn’t need that shit. We named our sailboat Missing Years BECAUSE of Prine.
choicelady : Murph – I’ve known this for 20 years. I’m glad it’s finally reached the tipping point, but DAMN I wish we’d figured it out sooner as a nation!
KillgoreTrout : It seems I got a late start, what is the topic, loosely speaking.
SallyT : you too Bourne
BourneID : Hi Sally Nice meeting you.
choicelady : Hey KT – good to “see” you.
AdLib : Etch-a-Mitt?
MurphTheSurf3 : AL….greetings to you…as to your note re. the mass reaction to a death in Florida….think of how many apparently “local” or “small” matters keep escalating into national movements…why, folks are SO angry and these moments provide the opportunity to express it…THERE IS A GROWING SENSE THAT INJUSTICE HAS BECOME THE LAW OF THE LAND IN WOMEN’S REPRODUCTION, IN VOTING RIGHTS, IN WALKING AROUND BLACK….
AlphaBitch : KT! Long time, no chat.
AdLib : Hey Alpha! Wussup Killgore!
choicelady : Hey AB – or Biff. Lovely to see you!
AlphaBitch : I have my Mitt-a-Sketch handy!
KillgoreTrout : Hey Planeteers, what’s up?
choicelady : OMG – Sally – first, welcome, then YES I remember Jewell Tea vans! And stores. I lived a few blocks from a Jewell warehouse and processing plant my early years. Bread baking, coffee roasting (SECOND roast is great, first roast purely sucks) and all the other good smells. Jewell still exists in the Chicago area.
AlphaBitch : Hey there groovers!
SallyT : Hi AdLIb!
AdLib : Hey Sally!
SallyT : I remember getting my etchasketch when they first came out. My mom bought it for me from the Jewel Tea man. Anybody remember the Jewel Tea van?
AdLib : Murph – That’s called a Stretch-the-trut h-a-Sketch.
choicelady : Murph! Oh! Patent Mitt-a-Sketch and get rich!
MurphTheSurf3 : Hi all…no etch a sketch, but I got my handy mitt-a-sketch.
AdLib : Bourne – When you click a link, it opens a new window so you’ll still have this page open.
BourneID : Hey Murph Remember when I said Iwsn’t going to say anything?
choicelady : Bourne – it’s pretty clear you’re young then. It’s a “toy” that was big in the 1950s. Hard to explain except you could, by twisting handles, draw pictures. So long as they had straight lines OR you were a genius in manual dexterity. You changed the picture by shaking the sand and wiping out the old. Just like Romney does with EVERYTHING.
AdLib : I just find it amusing how the MSM and Repub Elite are pushing so hard to crown Romney while showing their distaste for him and pushing Santorum to attack him harder.
BourneID : Thanks AdLib I’ll look at it later because when I leave a site I can’t find my way back.
AdLib : You’ll recognize it, check out this image: «link»
choicelady : Bourne – see AdLib’s post based on a very silly remark about Mitt made by his campaign manager. It will explain all about Etch-a-Sketch.
BourneID : Thanks Choicelady. You saved me money and embarrassment. But I still don’t know what it is.
choicelady : AdLib – as a devoted fan of Ohio I would have bought Etch-a-Sketch BUT it’s made in China and owned by Bain Capital. So – no.
BourneID : Oh AdLib, I don’t know what that is, but I love spending money. Don’t tempt me. Can I live without one?
AdLib : SO, has everyone bought an Etch-a-Sketch this week?
choicelady : Hi Bourne – very glad you’re here!
choicelady : AdLib – I’m OK. End of a VERY long week. How about you?
BourneID : Hi Choicelady. Nice meeting you. Bourne.
AdLib : Hey Choicelady! How are you this evening?
choicelady : Evening everyone!
AdLib : That’s a coincidence, as a liberal, I’m of course waving a communist flag.
BourneID : AdLib, I can see you as clearly as Sarah saw Russia from her back yard.
AdLib : Bourne – Yep, I’m in Los Angeles. Can you see me waving?
BourneID : Thanks AdLib, I’m in PST, are you?
AdLib : As for what’s been going on this week, it’s pretty remarkable how the Trayvon Martin murder has become such a national outrage. Meanwhile, Newt is whipping up more racial hatred against Obama, complaining that “the Muslims who are Obama’s friends” isn’t getting enough coverage.
AdLib : Make that “PST”.
AdLib : Bourne – No worries at all, there will be a lot more conversation to follow this very shortly and we can continue chatting until folks arrive…it’s almost 7 pm PAST.
BourneID : Thanks AdLib. I said I wasn’t going to say anything and look, I’m occupying half a page. I just can’t help myself…
AdLib : Bourne – The return key sending one’s message does take a little getting used to, you can’t space paragraphs in Vox Populi and after all this time, even I send by accident at times.
AdLib : Hey Bourne, great to see you! You’re in the right place. We do have two places on the site to participate. In the right column on any page or, for more room, the Vox Populi page which you can get to by clicking here: «link»
BourneID : Hi Murph got here early to make sure I could find my way to the right place. Didn’t intend to announce myself 3 times but I hit return and they posted. Oh well, look how long it took for me to learn how to make link…pl
MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne, aka PL, you are early. Hang in there folks join at 7 PM PST. See ya then. Key thing, you are working the boxes. Took me two tries.
BourneID : AdLib, what do I do now; just wait. I’m brand new – well not actually but I do look good…Bourne
BourneID : Adlib, MTS (aka Murph) or any other rescue team there, am I in the right place for tonight’s session? It’s dark out here and i’m scared…
BourneID : Hi AdLib or Murph or any rescue team out there.
AdLib : Vox Populi, our live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7 pm PST. Hope to see you then!