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Time Out for O/T – Vol. 15

Truth

My what a long nose you have 🙂

Very nice avie!

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 19, 2011 @ 7:39 am

Khirad

I read the whole thread, was kind of startled to be honest. In the end I’m not even sure what started it but I saw familiar frustrations coming out and as much as I might have felt the tug to engage I backed off and left the thread as it. I can’t describe it but on reflection I realized two things.

1. I am a woodworker. I work with old woods, mostly those harvested and used in old buildings before 1900. They are beautiful pieces, old growth timber like you don’t see much of today. Still they can challenge you. Old wood is well dry and has taken its time to create its own shape, which is often contrary to your plans for it. I work and massage and cut and add little things to help shape it, and for the most part it is resilient enough to take the new form. Occasionally it fights back and despite my best efforts it resumes the shape it was in before. I grow frustrated, think of other solutions to get it to cooperate and when it doesn’t I am left with two choices. I can either force it, usually a disaster, or I can simply walk away for a while, accept the work I’ve done to the board was not going to work, get out a new board and start over. I have learned over the years the latter approach might cause some personal pain from work I’ve done to it but overall I’m better off to simply let it be. I feel that way now about my former home.

2. One night here I was speaking to my frustration regarding going back over there and someone told me that people who stayed and tried to work it out over there had their own reasons for staying and I should simply accept it. If they think they remain because someone needs to remain on the point of defending progressive thought then I applaud them. There are many reasons, spoken to me by wiser people than myself, people stay there. That may be one of them. What I read from Tex seemed to imply he was disappointed so many people left and I have read that sentiment “over there”, how “we” abandoned the ship. Maybe I got to a place where the ship was not worth staying on when there was another ship to visit that offered a more congenial place to share my thoughts and read others.

I have learned more here in not quite two weeks than I learned in my last six months over there.

And I have spent enough time “on the point” that choosing to disengage is often the best option for your mental and physical health. I admire those who stay, they have more energy or passion for taking on the increasingly hostile environment. Perhaps that is their calling, perhaps they find a small group of like minded progressives and post together. I don’t know.

What I do know is I came here for dialog and perhaps some think we all agree too much. I don’t think we are suffering a collective group-think. I do see contention and disagreement. Here it doesn’t give me heartburn. There I felt there was no ability to converse with an opposing view. Mostly because I don’t think they were there to converse as much as stir the pot.

I admire you and the others for taking your stand and for trying to be reasonable. I would not have had the patience.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 19, 2011 @ 7:36 am

Rumor is the Tea Party is going to have a counter demonstration tomorrow to “show the real sentiments of the people of the state”. Wonder if they are going to meet head on with some of the residual protesters?

One of the local MSP stations (need I say they are the right winger station) claims they may have 100,000 to counter the “maybe” ten thousand who showed up “at most” for three days. And I wonder why I hate the MSM?

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 7:05 pm

I don’t know KB. Give it a shot. I got 362 and I think I’m a compassionate conservative most of the time. Who knew I was so progressive?

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 6:59 pm

Willie P is nasty stuff. I still have some spots on my hands from getting too close. And I’ve seen plenty of people who were closer than me. It really isn’t easy to “put it out”

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 6:58 pm

And I might add, has anyone ever looked into how much having Sara on the ticket might have mobilized people to get out and vote against her? They keep talking about how she solidified their evangelical base. That’s ridiculous. Who in their right mind would have ever thought a white racist would vote for the current President? They would have had a better shot with Lieberman.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 1:06 pm

Ecat

I’m sort of having a WTF moment with all this. Do they think they can use the turn downs as a means to energize the religious right to tell them all these great things that will happen if they get the Senate and the POTUS in 2012? Are they so blind they can’t see how they may piss off more people on the left with these shenanigans?

Dems stayed home in 2010. Enough that is. But instead of realizing they were fortunate their stonewalling in the senate worked they claim they have some HUGE mandate now to enact repressive laws?

Maybe they should be watching more closely in WI, OH and other states. What is going on there is nothing compared to what will happen if they keep this up.

It’s still winter in the north and yet the people took to the streets. What happens when it warms up and the snowdrifts are gone?

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 1:03 pm

How did teachers get to be the “bad guys”?

In my opinion we don’t pay them enough, It’s not like they are cruising around in beemers and going home at night to a 7000 s.f. house like the financial planners and hedge funders. Tell me again what purpose they serve that helps our children

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 12:58 pm

And god’s gift to men too eh?

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 12:31 pm

And I am feeling a similar hatred for the MSM. They should be out in front of this and they cower. Study after study shows a majority of Americans oppose repeal of Roe and disagree with limits on obtaining abortion or birth control counseling.

I once thought of myself as a sort of liberal leaning compassionate conservative.

I don’t even think about being a conservative since the evangelicals hijacked the GOP.

It would be one thing if they actually LIVED their beliefs. Instead they continue on in their own depravity while preaching to us about our behavior

Sick

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 12:28 pm

My ex worked at PP. She wasn’t near the procedure area but that didn’t stop the protesters from their harassing us at home. I agree with your perspective regarding separation from church and state. What a crock they are driving a purely evangelical agenda.

I’m starting to see how prohibition came to be.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 12:25 pm

Zenith, welcome to the Planet. There are others who will help you walk around in here. Different but pretty easy after about 12 days here for me.

Regarding the slow post loads. I was a little itchy, I mean things post really fast at HP. You get that

“This comment is pending approval and won’t be displayed until it is approved”

really quick, then maybe some time later they approve it.

Here it can grind for about ten seconds but then it’s a go.

I’ll take that any day

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 9:12 am

I thought it was Arianna sending her trolls to raise hell. She found out how many of her “darlings” were here and decided to fight back.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 9:08 am

Isn’t it possible that the MSM gets its marching orders from “on high”. They will reluctantly report things, like the smoke rising over downtown, but they shape it so “we” don’t get too excited or worse to cast the protesters in the worst light.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 9:03 am

Yep, yesterday afternoon twice. About and hour each time. Also morning before for about an hour

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 7:31 am

BDM

The always have abstinence to fall back on. Look how well that works,

I could rant on that for days, my ex worked at PP and I have a lot of unwanted experiences from there.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 18, 2011 @ 7:29 am

Second the anti-coconut in cookies – yuk

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 8:04 pm

Thanks David, you may be crusty but you’re willing to share, teach and learn. That counts for a lot and as I’ve told you before I am glad you’re here and having fun. I know I enjoy your posts, serious or flip.

As for the libs over there bashing I came to understand I was pretty miserable at times over there. I feel the same undercurrent of anger when I pass through there now. I come here, see friends and discussion and it fades pretty fast.

I was over in the jungle when the protests started. I came back and saw a lot of blood and anger here.

My best friend was bludgeoned in Chicago and still has vision problems from tear gas and a nightstick to his head. He tells me it was terrifying and he was certain he was going to die.

I watched Kent State on TV. Couldn’t believe it.

At the same time there was an energy then, a conviction that has been lacking since. If the protests happen here I don’t wish for bullets and tear gas. I wish for the energy and resolve.

Nixon and his troops at Kent State remain riveted in my mind. I am not sure what would happen this time around, if the Guard was called in. Many of the MN units have done their time in Iraq and Afghan and they would be far less invested in more killing. The Guard at Kent State were more or less weekend warriors, imbued with an absurd sense of soldiering and macho – and scared shitless I’m sure. When they locked and loaded they lost their perspective, why they were there, what it was about. And they started shooting and shocked the country.

There was not one damn thing fun about most of it. A couple of us old timers were reminiscing about it earlier today, mostly joking about the old days and how we’d need hover-rounds to last the day at a protest. I guess when you’ve been there you can joke to relieve the tension. I never loved the smell of tear gas and definitely don’t like the sounds of bullets in the air. I do hope whatever happens is peaceful.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 8:00 pm

Be a hell of a scene, 25000 old dudes and dudettes in their scooters circling the capitol grounds. Wonder what size beer cooler they hold? It is WI after all

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 6:33 pm

KB, Shit that’s scary if they are all leaving the boat. Of course where are they going to land?

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 6:22 pm

My son has been telling me I’m getting cynical. DUH!

Watch the news because my guess is one of the things the right will do to explain the large crowd turnout is the weather this week has been spring like. Some WONK is going to try to reduce the size of the actual protesters by claiming thousands of people turned out just because it was fifty degrees. I don’t want to be right but I can already here it coming.

Power to the people of WI

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 6:19 pm

KB

The illegals are the biggest shell game ever. They scream about them to rile up the fools but do nothing to stop the hiring of them by the big companies who make lots of money by paying off the books labor.

Dirty tactics through and through

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 6:14 pm

I have no clue KB. they seem to be shooting themselves in the foot. or groin.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 6:10 pm

Funk, I call it the 2% solution, if you are part of it, you are the “active” ingredient. the rest of the 98 of us are just filler.

The scary part is that they have rubes who are part of the filler who still vote for them

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 5:55 pm

AbbyRose

Hope you are doing better now. I’ve had a couple of those the last few weeks.

SERENITY NOW!

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 5:41 pm

That’s funny, Woodstock redux but only if it’s WC accessible

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 5:39 pm

Coward!

We could go out with a bang, or at least a cough and wheeze.

I’m going to be the dude in his geriatric death bed who reaches up and grabs his friend and says “I think I finally understand women”

I used to laugh at that, before I realized he was right,

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 5:38 pm

PW

Damn right. It’s about time someone stood up to these buffoons. We NEED an uprising. Even if this doesn’t work it can mobilize others. This is how Viet Nam war protests started. One at a time. Now all we need is good weed, hot women who burn their bras, and lots of cheap wine.
To the Lumberyard!

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 5:18 pm

I just called him The Boner. I made it through the censor once. Every other time it got scrubbed.

In some ways he’d just like it, mindless, easily excited, no concerns for outcomes.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 2:15 pm

PW

The first time I went over to Appleton I realized WI was more than just Madison, MKW, beer and yellow cheese. Then I went down to Monroe and discovered the Swiss. They have a “Monroe” days or some such thing, have to have it every OTHER year because the fights and hostilities that occur there take more than twelve months to be forgotten. Told to me by a dear friend who grew up there.

» Posted By jdmn17 On February 17, 2011 @ 11:07 am

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