Displaying 4,501 To 4,530 Of 5,146 Comments Today’s Historic House Vote on HCR – LIVE FEED AND BLOG NO public option. HR 4872 got entered at 9:29 p.m. March 17 and the amendment to HR 4872 got entered at 2 pm March 18. The amendment took OUT most of the language of HR 4872, amending HR 3590 instead. So – no public option. Reid said he was committed to introducing the issue, but what do we do about the filibuster? I suggest we must make that a priority – either they have to go back to basics and DO it on their feet, everyone present, or suspend the filibuster as a disposable rule. At this moment, I doubt we can get the PO done this session. They may remove the rule at the beginning of any congress with a simple majority, otherwise they again need to pass a filibuster to removed the filibuster rule. I think though that Reid could invoke manager’s amendments to insist that the “spirit of the filibuster” origins meant they had to BE THERE ON THEIR FEET talking until they drop. I’d name it the “Mr. Smith” rule for the film. It’s complicated, for sure. But I think for the moment the PO looks dicey. » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 8:31 pm Oh wow – YES! That is perfect! Thanks, K. » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 8:26 pm Churches that are NOT part of my group would say Bart just had his “come to Jesus moment”. I think he’s discovered that his allies are not really his friends. Took long enough, but maybe he’ll grow from this. » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 8:09 pm Soon, baby, soon! It’s the one immediate thing that will get rolling ASAP! You have become part of my inspiration, too – I did not know you had such troubles, but now you CAN get health care!!! That makes me SO happy! » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 8:07 pm You two have been my friends, supporters, ego-boosters, and reinforcements. I’ve worked this thing since who remembers when, but it got GOOD when I came on the Planet and met you. You made this worth something very deep and profound for me even with all the stories I hear. It helped more than you know to have two real people to do this with and for. And you made me laugh when I was down, and you kept the faith when I had lost my own, and I’m grateful to you for being so profound, so strong, and so damned funny! Could NOT have done this without you! » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 7:58 pm It’s because they lost yet another way to control women. » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 7:54 pm Absolutely! Here is to the best group of committed people I’ve ever known – we DID it! » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 7:53 pm KQ AND E-CAT – THIS ONE’S FOR YOU!!! WE GOT HEALTH CARE! » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 7:52 pm I think my friend outside the Capitol saw an aide rushing to CVS for an emergency order of Man Tan… » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 6:56 pm But Sue – your Rep does not know how to READ. He is a very dim bulb. » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 6:51 pm About 10 minutes ago, CNN said that Pelosi is on her way to the floor. Get the popcorn, the horns and whistles. We’re about to see history being made! BTW – the idiot talking in the video above is our beloved Kevin Mccarthy who is certifiably one of the dimmest state senators EVER. » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 6:24 pm The two are NOT mutually exclusive! » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 6:22 pm Hey KQ – you mean you DON’T???? I figured you for the “free rider” person the Rethugs are always ranting about…or a masochist who loves owing BIG BILLS. I do know you’ve been fortunate to have really compassionate people helping you through this, but health should not be based on other people’s willingness or unwillingness to help. It is a right, and it is also a responsibility that we all have, one to the other. I just hear one of the thugs talk about some divine something or other, and wanted to barf because if he REALLY believed in morality, he’d be on the other side. » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 6:19 pm You don’t have to have insurance for the car, only liability. Medicare has a mandate – have to pay it. But there is a huge difference between the MA plan and what was originally proposed of forcing people to buy something in the private market at full market rates vs. pinning the cost, like Medicare, to a sliding percentage based on your income. This is moral and fair because it keep it affordable for anyone, regardless of income. BIG difference! » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 6:13 pm What do you think the volcano in Iceland is about? Seriously – that’s what WE have free will for. Whether we developed it or God gave it (I lean to the former by far) WE need to put fear in them. I was on a health panel this afternoon talking about our (Protestant progressives 1.5 million strong) support for this reform, but whom did the TV folks cover? Not meeee – the guy opposing reform from the Small Business lobby. I’m not even a face on the cutting room floor – I’m nowhere, nothing, nada. So we need to start leaning on the media and insisting they MUST cover the progressives as well as the thugs! Where is the coverage of the significant group outside of the Capitol who are there in support? One lousy photo on HuffPo and NO description of the group’s size or make up. Of course Americans think only the teabaggers exist – it’s all they see and read. » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 6:08 pm Rep. Bill Parnell’s (D-NJ)words are being reviewed to see if he violated decorum in his denunciation of the Reeps scare tactics with veterans. They should cut the guy some slack. English is not his native language. He grew up speaking Joisey. One needs to make allowances. » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 5:17 pm BTW – didn’t their mamas teach them to pick up after themselves? When I go to rallies, I take OUT whatever needs taking OUT. The contempt that shows for our nation is horrible. » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 4:33 pm Wish I’d known you were there because so was a good friend. You could have teamed up and compared notes! Thanks for wading into the teeth of the beast for us to bring us first hand info. Glad you’re OK and outta there! » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 4:32 pm Oh gosh AdLib – thanks for clearing that up! NOW I get it! » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 4:28 pm I’m trying to shower and get outta here to the health forum I’m on, so I’m not watching, but I think they have to do reconciliation first to assure the House the Senate bill will be in changed form taking out what the House does not like. Might have missed something, but that was the game plan. » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 11:08 am A good friend, Rev. Linda Walling, is on the Mall with the PRO health reform people. She called me and said the Dems walked into the Capitol en masse, walking toward them and smiling at the supporters. She said it was joyous and encouraging and hopeful! Cannot believe this day might indeed end magnificently. Don’t give up the thoughts and (if you do them) prayers. All hands on deck! » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 11:06 am STUPAK IS VOTING “YES” AND IT CLINCHES THE VOTE!!!!! » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 10:46 am Wow – she sure does! I’m closing in on her in a few years. Hope I hold up that well at 70! » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 9:47 am Marcy Kaptur is voting YES. There are cautious rumours that there are enough votes. Don’t know what is happening with Stupak, but there cannot be a deal in the way of an amendment since that would start the clock back on the 72-hour run. That is why no amendments were added, not even from flaming liberals, yesterday in House Rules. Don’t know if anyone else watched, but it was a remarkably civil interchange, even when Republicans said they’d been ‘left out’ and Dems said Reeps were ‘obstructionist’. The funny interchange among members was absolutely heartening. THEY at least seemed to lift the discourse to a very high level and engaged with collegial respect that made me almost cry with relief. We could be a nation once again IF this sort of behavior were the norm. Well, it’s almost 2:00 EDT, and I’m moving on to watch. At the critical moment, however, I will be the token Christian in a synagogue discussing health care from a moral as well as pratical viewpoint. I have someone posted to call my cell phone with the vote total on reconciliation so I can announce it, but how weird is this – caught in the headlines of history. I hope I’m up to it. Got goosebumps! If it passes, and I think it will, I will be thinking of you, KQ and e’cat. This one’s for YOU. (Youze in the Pittsburgh parlance of the plural second person…) » Posted By choicelady On March 21, 2010 @ 9:45 am Dear KQ – you have nothing to be sorry about! We were ALL discouraged! It’s been ages and ages since we had a brave set of leaders. I fear that what Clinton achieved was pretty much interlaced with real cowardice, and we’ve forgotten how to have high expectations of our president and Congress. But now we will, now we CAN! » Posted By choicelady On March 20, 2010 @ 9:44 pm And he has a huge heart! The speech was magnificent and deeply moving! Tonight Lousie Slaughter said she had gotten hold of a speech, the original, from FDR with handwritten notes and all, that she will keep in copy form during the debate tomorrow. The original will go to Hyde Park, but she will keep it as inspiration. I am pleased that our contemporary leaders are drawing from the past to move us to the future. Some things are just immutable, and it’s good to have them revived for us to think about once again. » Posted By choicelady On March 20, 2010 @ 9:41 pm Oh sorry nellie – it was to move it to the floor for tomorrow! I’m sorry if I did not make that clear! I’m not sure there are many functional brain cells left. » Posted By choicelady On March 20, 2010 @ 9:01 pm UPDATE- House Rules under the able guidance of Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-Rochester, NY) just ajourned. Of ALL the amendments offered by both Dems and Republicans, NONE was approved. Why not? Because, it is my understanding, it would have required another 72-hour delay? At any rate, the entire reconciliation bill (the AMENDMENT at least) was passed. Tomorrow, Sunday the 21st, the first vote will be on reconciliation at approximately 5:15 pm EDT. If that passes = and it MUST pass – there will be a 15-minute debate on the Republican substitute followed by a vote on that substitute. Depending on passage, at 6 pm EDT, the House will vote on the Senate bill without debate. I hope everyone, including the President, is correct and that tomorrow will be a most momentous day for America. A final note. David Dreier from CA, member of the Rules Committee, bemoaned the lack of free flowing debate on all of today’s ideas. Very calmly, the Democratic members noted that we have had a year in which these ideas could have been submitted (one, even opposed by a FL Congressman, probably Cuban in background, was to have all medical information dispensed in English only). The Dems calmly and politely noted that that time frame encountered ONLY obstruction and delay, not help. With that, the move to pass the entire Amendment to Reconciliation carried, and it moved to the floor. For those who believe in the efficacy of prayer and/or the efficacy of focused and collective human conscious thought, now WOULD be the time. » Posted By choicelady On March 20, 2010 @ 8:39 pm I am a lifelong radical who absolutely hated the 60s. My only sweet memories are of the Beatles. WTS – you really got to me when you said they were our cultural guides. They wrote music that was joyous and serious, emotional and playful – and they always spoke, I felt, to the best in us. Even the darker things asked us to rise above what we were to what we could be. They made me feel happy. When was the last time pop music did that? I recently thought that one of the reasons Susan Boyle was SO popular is that she has some of that in her life and music. She’s not innovative, but the surprise of her voice and the story of her life appeal to what’s better in us – finding beauty in unexpected places. The Beatles gave us that. She reflects some of what they gave us. She makes us smile as they did. » Posted By choicelady On March 20, 2010 @ 9:41 am Vox Populi – AfterChat – 3-19-2010 That is what Keith Olbermann said – tax him, a wealthy man, so his friend without insurance would not have to sell his family farm. But where is the sense of “us” in America? Where has our idea of the common good gone? Where are the wealthy with a sense of noblesse oblige? Now it boils down to “just so I got mine”. How many iPods does one NEED? We rationalize it that we ‘earned’ our money (unclear for the uber rich how true that may be) so it’s ours alone. But we cannot be a healthy society if we think of ONLY ourselves. Hillel wrote: “If I am not for me, who will be? But if I am for myself alone, what am I?” Balance. Balance between self and others. » Posted By choicelady On March 19, 2010 @ 11:16 pmComments Posted By choicelady
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