Displaying 0 To 0 Of 0 Comments Hear, hear, Nirek. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 16, 2011 @ 2:17 pm Sally that’s a perfect example of how cities try to turn the public against the occupiers. And also how smart the protesters are being in responding. Here in LA, they keep the area clean, and even remove their tents every week so that the local farmers market has room next to their encampment. These are small problems that can easily worked out with cooperation form the authorities and the protesters. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 16, 2011 @ 2:16 pm Obama: Each city must decide how to handle Occupy Wall Street demonstrations Spokesman Jay Carney also says Obama hopes the right balance can be reached between protecting freedom of assembly and speech with the need to uphold order and safeguard public health and safety. For a really in-depth look at the legal issues faced by protesters: » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 16, 2011 @ 1:53 pm TOMORROW: NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION FOR THE 99% (this is from Occupy Los Angeles) WHAT: 1,000+ people to take over the street of Downtown, Los Angeles. WHEN: Thursday, November 17, 2011 at 7:00am WHERE: Activists will meet at Bank of America Plaza at 333 S Hope St. and march to the corner of Figueroa and 4th St., where we will shut down the intersection. VISUALS: Protestors with signs, banners and noisemakers. Large banners dropped from overpasses. Rally in the Downtown, L.A. financial district. People taking over the streets, stopping traffis, and setting up tents in the Downtown, L.A. intersection. MORE INFO: More than 1,000 people from struggling LA communities organized by Good Jobs LA, along with unemployed workers, community groups, clergy, labor organizations and Occupy LA activists, will take over the streets in downtown LA on Thursday morning, calling on Congress to hold Wall Street accountable for fixing our economy and to make wealthy corporations and the rich pay their fair share, so our communities can have jobs, not budget cuts. Wall Street corporations are leaving LA communities and the 99% behind. When Wall Street needed help after their greed and recklessness crashed our economy, Congress rushed to bail them out with billions in taxpayer money – now Wall Street corporations and banks are sitting on $2 trillion in cash but failing to invest in local communities to create good jobs. Congress is making the crisis worse by refusing to tax millionaires and wealthy corporations to fund job creating legislation and prevent devastating budget cuts. ***Bank of America took $230 billion in bailouts, made $4 billion in profits over the past two years and paid its CEO $10 million in 2010, but contributed $0 in federal taxes in 2009 and 2010 while cutting small business lending by 89% since the economic crash. Figueroa and 4th St. are adjacent to “structurally deficient” and “functionally obsolete” overpasses, some of the many projects that could put people back to work building LA. Protests will continue in LA throughout the day, including a second downtown march with hundreds of activists starting at the civic center at noon. Similar protests will be held on November 17th in dozens of cities around the country, including New York, Chicago, Washington, DC, Seattle, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Houston and Miami. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 16, 2011 @ 12:28 pm I am excited to watch it, KT. My son and I are very close, but I realize this is a part of my history–and indeed History–that he knows nothing about. My two step-daughters are 21 and 16. They need to be radicalized–they are only intersted in partying. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 9:44 pm KT-I read the transcript, but I’m going to see if it’s in the library. I’m sure it is, and I want my kids to watch it! » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 9:35 pm Ah, funk. I was 14 when that speech occurred, but I remember that he gave it on the top of a police car, around which a crowd had formed–a huge crowd. I was a proto-hippie even then. Two year later, I cut class and went to an anti-Vietnam war protest, where I was among 3 chosen to go into LA City Hall and talk to a Federal judge (Manuel Real), demanding that he stop jailing conscientious objectors. It was on the news, and when I returned to school, my high school teachers applauded. The school administration could have given me detention for cutting, but they gave me a pass. I have been politically active ever since (except for a few years as a young wife and mother). At the beginning–when Savio spoke– I knew nothing. It was just the electric idea that I could OBJECT! I could say something! It was unheard of for me at that time, that I could speak out. It was liberating and in some cases, ridiculous. It took a few years for me to really understand what I was even involved with. That’s why I love these kids now–they are just beginning. Gee, thanks for asking. Took me far back, funk. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 9:23 pm Kes, thank you. The very same battles, and I feel both privileged and unlucky to have seen them both. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 9:15 pm Sorry, Kes, should have said: Berkeley, tonight. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 9:12 pm Here’s parts of the Mario Savio speech we were talking about earlier: » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 9:01 pm Wow, look at the scene at Cal tonight: » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 8:54 pm I see what you see, Sally. Beautifully said. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 8:23 pm When the FSM started it was 1964—four years before your husband worked on the paper, and things had evolved. In 1964, it was about the ban on campus tables for political activism and the right if the students to disseminate literature. They also weren’t allowed to make speeches on campus. And you know all that, so I don’t understand why you bring up the issue of 1968—it was a different place by then. But yes, it was about silencing radical ideas. No different than what’s happening now. I also am truly surprised that you don’t know what they want—they want a lot of things, but you are right, they don’t want one specific thing. They have marched on the banks, they have marched to the homes of Wall St titans, they have marched to the Kochs Georgia-Pacific plant, they have marched for transferring money to credit unions, they have spoken out about student loan debt, mortgages—my God, they have protested all the things wrong and unfair economically—I don’t know how you can say you don’t hear the message. Their message is simple: Corporations have too much influence in the American government. Greed has derailed democracy. The Occupy movement has inspired and activated people of all ages and ideas. But you are right about this: they are not fighting for the specific issues you fight for so heroically—but do they have to? Isn’t there enough to fight for to go around? I have no ideqa who turned away those women or why. Or which Occupy did it, but they all decide in a democratic and laborious process and they are not monolithic aside from general principles (Such as non-violence). As for the homeless, I don’t know what branches of the OWS movement you mean– the homeless are part of the camps here in LA, in Oakland, NY, in Portland. They are NOT kicked out of the camps as a matter of course, although I don’t know about all of the hundreds of camps across the country. You haven’t heard what they want? These people you call whiners? I am honestly, well, kind of shocked that you say that. You’ve heard “NOTHNG?” You are fighting for the most needy among us; you need to know how much I honor that, but I could not disagree with you more about this. I could actually say more to you about this, but I am exhausted. I hope we can discuss this more at another time. And I hope you take this as the highest form of respect and love when I quote you: BAH! » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 8:03 pm KT– thanks for that link! I’m going to read it. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 6:38 pm What symbolism now, and man, do I wish I could be there! » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 6:25 pm I remember just being electrified with ideas for the first time. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 6:24 pm And it wasn’t until I watched Savio’s speech again and read your comment that it came to me, and I understood why I feel so adamant about this! Thanks! » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 6:21 pm Well, KT, there you go! I know we agree on this, but what you just wrote is my main point: He started with a demand as amorphous, as undefined as FREE SPEECH! Not voting, not reforms–nothing but Free Speech! And from that, all other protests flowed. That’s what I’ve been trying to articulate about OWS to those who say they are just whiners. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 6:14 pm Oh be still my heart! Rachel is replaying the speech by Mario Savio at Berkely in ’64. I’m tearing up now–takes me back. I was 14. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 5:57 pm Oh funk, I’m too tired to argue and besides, it’s you. As my grandma would say, Geyn un zayn gezunt. That means, basically, “go and be well,” but it’s not dismissive, more like a “no prob.” » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 5:44 pm I hear you, but the only reason the Baggers got active in elections is because they were always a corporate movement and ALEC and the Kochs pushed that agenda. I don’t think it’s fair to compare the two movements in that regard. Whether or not OWS mobilizes around voting, I think they have already energized voters to vote. They made the difference between the two parties undeniable. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 2:11 pm Not exactly, Em–some of the Dems are and ALL of the Repubs take tainted money, so I feel that’s a case of false equivalence. That aside, there are many other considerations besides taking money–our while system is corrupted that way, and I sure don’t want the Dems to be at a disadvantage by NOT taking money when the R’s do. That kind of purity is a sure loser. I want ALL corporate money out of politics but until that happens, I want the Dems to get their share. To say that there is no difference between the Parties in their goals and policies is ridiculous, imo. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 2:07 pm This is so depressing if true– The FBI has been advising local governments on how to dismantle OWS encampments, according to this report: Over the past ten days, more than a dozen cities have moved to evict “Occupy” protesters from city parks and other public spaces. As was the case in last night’s move in New York City, each of the police actions shares a number of characteristics. And according to one Justice official, each of those actions was coordinated with help from Homeland Security, the FBI and other federal police agencies. The official, who spoke on background to me late Monday evening, said that while local police agencies had received tactical and planning advice from national agencies, the ultimate decision on how each jurisdiction handles the Occupy protests ultimately rests with local law enforcement. According to this official, in several recent conference calls and briefings, local police agencies were advised to seek a legal reason to evict residents of tent cities, focusing on zoning laws and existing curfew rules. Agencies were also advised to demonstrate a massive show of police force, including large numbers in riot gear. In particular, the FBI reportedly advised on press relations, with one presentation suggesting that any moves to evict protesters be coordinated for a time when the press was the least likely to be present. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 1:59 pm KT–I’m right there with you! What I do agree with KQ about is that OWS is still in it’s infancy. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 1:54 pm Em, I think you need to research Hedges a bit. (Or maybe you have and we may just disagree–if so, ignore me. 🙂 ) See my above comment to KQ. He has some ideas I do agree with, but anyone who claims there is no difference between the two parties and who says Obama is a fraud has lost me. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 1:49 pm Very true, KQ. Not to mention that Hedges is one of those emoprog disgruntalists who claim there is no difference between the Dems and Repubs and that we shouldn’t bother to vote. He’s a nihilist. » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 1:46 pm Occupy Berkeley is just starting up again: » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 1:21 pm Maybe this will help, it’s on Twitter: » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 1:08 pm Em, I know you are a stalwart supporter, and kudos! » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 1:04 pm As an aside, here’s a screenshot of HPAOL’s front page with an ad that reveals their hypocrisy: [img]http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2011/11/4ec2ad6077e23.jpeg[/img] » Posted By Chernynkaya On November 15, 2011 @ 1:02 pmComments Posted By Chernynkaya
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/americas/obama-each-city-must-decide-how-to-handle-occupy-wall-street-demonstrations/2011/11/15/gIQAQj7aPN_story.html?fb_ref=NetworkNews
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2011/11/occupy_wall_street_police_raid_what_zuccotti_park_teaches_us_about_public_spaces_and_citizen_protest.html
It’s complicated and the 1st Amendment has lots of caveats.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O_Ao9w1u7c&feature=related
http://www.examiner.com/top-news-in-minneapolis/were-occupy-crackdowns-aided-by-federal-law-enforcement-agencies
The FBI has so far failed to respond to requests for an official response, and of the 14 local police agencies contacted in the past 24 hours, all have declined to respond to questions on this issue.
He’s a harsh Obama critic:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_obama_deception_why_cornel_west_went_ballistic_20110516/
http://yfrog.com/h8zv4quj
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