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The Daily Planet, Vol. 147

Hey Sue, thanks! Ditto. And boy–shit is happening!

» Posted By Chernynkaya On October 11, 2011 @ 2:53 pm

Hey AdLib! So great to be back! I’ve missed my time here and hope that things get back to normal for me and the family.

Yes, that story about declining income is the big story, and the articles about the subsequent issues of income inequality. I know there has been a lively thread about OWS and it’s finally come to that. I’m thrilled. I hope that this anger–inarticulate and unfocused as it may seem–grows and grows. (I personally have no problem with the lack of articulate demands at this point. They are not even necessary. Everyone knows in their gut what the “demands are.) It will take years of these protests, YEARS,to get things turned around and I can only pray that the public sustains itself and doesn’t degenerate into apathy again.

I was talking to my son and telling him how many years it took–how many protests–to achieve Civil rights and the end to the Vietnam war. “Power concedes nothing without a demand” is still true. Maybe truer than ever here in America 2011.

And I totally get it: The sign I put up today says it all for me “Shit is fucked up and bullshit” is my new motto. I just hope these people vote, but I have the feeling many won’t. It almost feels as if the response from even our friends in DC is too little, too tame, too tempered compared to what’s going on–as it necessarily must be.

» Posted By Chernynkaya On October 11, 2011 @ 2:52 pm

Occupy Wall Street Came West… Why?

Great sign from #OccupyChristchurch:

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» Posted By Chernynkaya On October 15, 2011 @ 11:05 am

The Occupy Wall Street Thread

Sally, I am skeptical.

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 19, 2011 @ 12:23 pm

Bogey man! BOO!

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 19, 2011 @ 11:56 am

Sally, as you and I (everybody, really) know, this is only the beginning and as the campaign season heats up, this will seem quaint! I fervently hope the Dems really are ready!!

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 19, 2011 @ 11:55 am

WW–when the threads move fast, stories get buried and we miss many. Important stories like that are always good to have posted again. 🙂

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 19, 2011 @ 11:53 am

WW That was quite a story wasn’t it? It was posted earlier here, but I suspect it was missed by a few people.

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 19, 2011 @ 11:20 am

A Must-read! From the American Bankers Association via MSNBC:

(I can’t C&P any of this letter–it’s a screen shot)
Please read though.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/CLGF-msnbc.pdf

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 19, 2011 @ 10:56 am

OK, came back from chores and just don’t have the energy to write all that again. The main point is that Taibbi didn’t say that most Americans feel the way the protesters do, but rather that is what the protesters feel, and those who support them. Also, I don’t know enough to speak for most Americans and only for myself and the people I know, so who know? You may be right about how Americans feel and what they want. But he does articulate how I feel.

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 18, 2011 @ 6:10 pm

KQ, I just wrote you a very long response that took me about 20 minutes and I pressed some stupid fucking button and it’s gone now. I am too discouraged by that to write again right now, so I’m going to do some chores, but I want to get back to you! Later, ok?

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 18, 2011 @ 3:49 pm

Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone pretty much captures where I stand on the movement (except for the 1st sentence–I was never mixed about it.):

The first few times I went down to Zuccotti Park, I came away with mixed feelings. I loved the energy and was amazed by the obvious organic appeal of the movement, the way it was growing on its own. But my initial impression was that it would not be taken very seriously by the Citibanks and Goldman Sachs of the world. You could put 50,000 angry protesters on Wall Street, 100,000 even, and Lloyd Blankfein is probably not going to break a sweat. He knows he’s not going to wake up tomorrow and see Cornel West or Richard Trumka running the Federal Reserve. He knows modern finance is a giant mechanical parasite that only an expert surgeon can remove. Yell and scream all you want, but he and his fellow financial Frankensteins are the only ones who know how to turn the machine off.
That’s what I was thinking during the first few weeks of the protests. But I’m beginning to see another angle. Occupy Wall Street was always about something much bigger than a movement against big banks and modern finance. It’s about providing a forum for people to show how tired they are not just of Wall Street, but everything. This is a visceral, impassioned, deep-seated rejection of the entire direction of our society, a refusal to take even one more step forward into the shallow commercial abyss of phoniness, short-term calculation, withered idealism and intellectual bankruptcy that American mass society has become. If there is such a thing as going on strike from one’s own culture, this is it. And by being so broad in scope and so elemental in its motivation, it’s flown over the heads of many on both the right and the left.
The right-wing media wasted no time in cannon-blasting the movement with its usual idiotic cliches, casting Occupy Wall Street as a bunch of dirty hippies who should get a job and stop chewing up Mike Bloomberg’s police overtime budget with their urban sleepovers. Just like they did a half-century ago, when the debate over the Vietnam War somehow stopped being about why we were brutally murdering millions of innocent Indochinese civilians and instead became a referendum on bralessness and long hair and flower-child rhetoric, the depraved flacks of the right-wing media have breezily blown off a generation of fraud and corruption and market-perverting bailouts, making the whole debate about the protesters themselves – their hygiene, their “envy” of the rich, their “hypocrisy.”
The protesters, chirped Supreme Reichskank Ann Coulter, needed three things: “showers, jobs and a point.” Her colleague Charles Krauthammer went so far as to label the protesters hypocrites for having iPhones. OWS, he said, is “Starbucks-sipping, Levi’s-clad, iPhone-clutching protesters [denouncing] corporate America even as they weep for Steve Jobs, corporate titan, billionaire eight times over.” Apparently, because Goldman and Citibank are corporations, no protester can ever consume a corporate product – not jeans, not cellphones and definitely not coffee – if he also wants to complain about tax money going to pay off some billionaire banker’s bets against his own crappy mortgages.
Meanwhile, on the other side of the political spectrum, there were scads of progressive pundits like me who wrung our hands with worry that OWS was playing right into the hands of assholes like Krauthammer. Don’t give them any ammunition! we counseled. Stay on message! Be specific! We were all playing the Rorschach-test game with OWS, trying to squint at it and see what we wanted to see in the movement. Viewed through the prism of our desire to make near-term, within-the-system changes, it was hard to see how skirmishing with cops in New York would help foreclosed-upon middle-class families in Jacksonville and San Diego.
What both sides missed is that OWS is tired of all of this. They don’t care what we think they’re about, or should be about. They just want something different.
We’re all born wanting the freedom to imagine a better and more beautiful future. But modern America has become a place so drearily confining and predictable that it chokes the life out of that built-in desire. Everything from our pop culture to our economy to our politics feels oppressive and unresponsive. We see 10 million commercials a day, and every day is the same life-killing chase for money, money and more money; the only thing that changes from minute to minute is that every tick of the clock brings with it another space-age vendor dreaming up some new way to try to sell you something or reach into your pocket. The relentless sameness of the two-party political system is beginning to feel like a Jacob’s Ladder nightmare with no end; we’re entering another turn on the four-year merry-go-round, and the thought of having to try to get excited about yet another minor quadrennial shift in the direction of one or the other pole of alienating corporate full-of-shitness is enough to make anyone want to smash his own hand flat with a hammer.
If you think of it this way, Occupy Wall Street takes on another meaning. There’s no better symbol of the gloom and psychological repression of modern America than the banking system, a huge heartless machine that attaches itself to you at an early age, and from which there is no escape. You fail to receive a few past-due notices about a $19 payment you missed on that TV you bought at Circuit City, and next thing you know a collector has filed a judgment against you for $3,000 in fees and interest. Or maybe you wake up one morning and your car is gone, legally repossessed by Vulture Inc., the debt-buying firm that bought your loan on the Internet from Chase for two cents on the dollar. This is why people hate Wall Street. They hate it because the banks have made life for ordinary people a vicious tightrope act; you slip anywhere along the way, it’s 10,000 feet down into a vat of razor blades that you can never climb out of.
That, to me, is what Occupy Wall Street is addressing. People don’t know exactly what they want, but as one friend of mine put it, they know one thing: FUCK THIS SHIT! We want something different: a different life, with different values, or at least a chance at different values.
There was a lot of snickering in media circles, even by me, when I heard the protesters talking about how Liberty Square was offering a model for a new society, with free food and health care and so on. Obviously, a bunch of kids taking donations and giving away free food is not a long-term model for a new economic system.
But now, I get it. People want to go someplace for at least five minutes where no one is trying to bleed you or sell you something. It may not be a real model for anything, but it’s at least a place where people are free to dream of some other way for human beings to get along, beyond auctioned “democracy,” tyrannical commerce and the bottom line.
We’re a nation that was built on a thousand different utopian ideas, from the Shakers to the Mormons to New Harmony, Indiana. It was possible, once, for communities to experiment with everything from free love to an end to private property. But nowadays even the palest federalism is swiftly crushed. If your state tries to place tariffs on companies doing business with some notorious human-rights-violator state – like Massachusetts did, when it sought to bar state contracts to firms doing business with Myanmar – the decision will be overturned by some distant global bureaucracy like the WTO. Even if 40 million Californians vote tomorrow to allow themselves to smoke a joint, the federal government will never permit it. And the economy is run almost entirely by an unaccountable oligarchy in Lower Manhattan that absolutely will not sanction any innovations in banking or debt forgiveness or anything else that might lessen its predatory influence.
And here’s one more thing I was wrong about: I originally was very uncomfortable with the way the protesters were focusing on the NYPD as symbols of the system. After all, I thought, these are just working-class guys from the Bronx and Staten Island who have never seen the inside of a Wall Street investment firm, much less had anything to do with the corruption of our financial system.
But I was wrong. The police in their own way are symbols of the problem. All over the country, thousands of armed cops have been deployed to stand around and surveil and even assault the polite crowds of Occupy protesters. This deployment of law-enforcement resources already dwarfs the amount of money and manpower that the government “committed” to fighting crime and corruption during the financial crisis. One OWS protester steps in the wrong place, and she immediately has police roping her off like wayward cattle. But in the skyscrapers above the protests, anything goes.
This is a profound statement about who law enforcement works for in this country. What happened on Wall Street over the past decade was an unparalleled crime wave. Yet at most, maybe 1,500 federal agents were policing that beat – and that little group of financial cops barely made any cases at all. Yet when thousands of ordinary people hit the streets with the express purpose of obeying the law and demonstrating their patriotism through peaceful protest, the police response is immediate and massive. There have already been hundreds of arrests, which is hundreds more than we ever saw during the years when Wall Street bankers were stealing billions of dollars from retirees and mutual-fund holders and carpenters unions through the mass sales of fraudulent mortgage-backed securities.
It’s not that the cops outside the protests are doing wrong, per se, by patrolling the parks and sidewalks. It’s that they should be somewhere else. They should be heading up into those skyscrapers and going through the file cabinets to figure out who stole what, and from whom. They should be helping people get their money back. Instead, they’re out on the street, helping the Blankfeins of the world avoid having to answer to the people they ripped off.
People want out of this fiendish system, rigged to inexorably circumvent every hope we have for a more balanced world. They want major changes. I think I understand now that this is what the Occupy movement is all about. It’s about dropping out, if only for a moment, and trying something new, the same way that the civil rights movement of the 1960s strived to create a “beloved community” free of racial segregation. Eventually the Occupy movement will need to be specific about how it wants to change the world. But for right now, it just needs to grow. And if it wants to sleep on the streets for a while and not structure itself into a traditional campaign of grassroots organizing, it should. It doesn’t need to tell the world what it wants. It is succeeding, for now, just by being something different.

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» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 18, 2011 @ 1:39 pm

About 57 Tea Baggers.

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 18, 2011 @ 1:11 pm

Just for fun, let’s see what the larges newspapers across the country had on their front pages:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/nov/17/protesters/

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HAHA, and the L.A. Times calls itself a “news”paper:
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» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 18, 2011 @ 1:00 pm

Aren’t they, um, manly?

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 7:37 pm

Here’s a vid of Police Capt. being arrested in Philadelphia. And please listen to the conversation between another cop and a protester at the end:

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 7:34 pm

Kes. I love you.

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 7:24 pm

They have minuscule pee pees and we make even those shrink we scare them so.

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 7:09 pm

This happened in Portland today:

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» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 7:00 pm

Sally and everyone, re: the costs of policing the Occupy movement–

I just saw this Tweet and we should ALL REPEAT IT:

@msbellows
Taxpayers aren’t paying millions of $ in police overtime because of #OWS. They’re paying it to protect the 1%’s hoard.

Make THAT the meme!!!

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 5:45 pm

Sally, this is just beginning–it will get much uglier. Remember how Hoover tried to associate King with communists? Just wait–we’re going to hear all kinds of bogosity and slander. They have no leaders to attack, so they are flailing for any reason to discredit it. In fact, even Jon Stewart–see Adonai’s comment with that video.

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 5:25 pm

Kes, it’s so sad. I watched hours of a livestream when Zuccotti was being torn down, and the camera guy/commentor, Tim Poole was just great. He wandered around and I saw the cops in their riot gear studiously IGNORING any attempt at dialog with the protesters. They looked trained to pretend not to hear them. Maybe that prevents them from reacting stupidly, but it made me almost as angry as when they brutalized someone. They were truly like robots, and that is the worst kind of policing I can imagine.

I have to say that, while I KNOW there are many really good cops, there is something in them that takes them into law enforcement in the first place and it is rarely noble.

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 4:47 pm

This made my throat tighten with tears. Somehow adding the song, “New York, New York” by Frank Sinatra to a video of OWS shutdown is too poignant:
http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2FhiLk/www.theatlantic.com/video/index/248677/

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 1:53 pm

Bito, he is my new hero!!

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 1:44 pm

OH, he is a protester! Sorry, I’m tired.
http://www.observer.com/2011/11/former-police-captain-and-current-ows-protester-ray-lewis-arrested/

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 1:22 pm

Em, I just re-read that story, and I realize I may have assumed he was part of the protests, but now I’m not sure!

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 1:21 pm

Yep. Em, once the police join the protesters it really makes the point about we are all the 99%. What a guy!

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 1:19 pm

Livestream of protests at UCLA:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/OWSLosAngeles

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 1:11 pm

WOW! “Former Philadelphia Police Captain Ray Lewis, In Cuffs”
http://www.observer.com/2011/11/former-philadelphia-police-captain-ray-lewis-arrested-ows/
[img]http://www.observer.com/files/2011/11/raylewis2.jpg[/img]

He joined the OWS protest!

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 17, 2011 @ 1:08 pm

agrippa, it was a veritable Twitter storm yesterday–people were outraged at that LIE! Know who started it? Michael Moore, and then Keith Olbermann. Moore tweeted it and I saw it with my own eyes.

» Posted By Chernynkaya On November 16, 2011 @ 2:22 pm