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An Ill-advised Rant on the Nature of Arguments

I think I totally just fell in love with you for this post!

Caru thank you! Seriously. Debate is a good thing if done with respect, it provides much opportunity for different ideas to be brought to mind….that should be a good thing.

However, too often, debate evolves into something ugly which does nothing to further critical thought and the sharing of ideas.

WE, all, need to be aware and to think about when a discussion is turning to something else, and look within ourselves to knot Stifle debate, but to keep it on it’s proper course.

Thank you for the reminder! Kudos!

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 6:00 pm

In the World of the Blind, We’re Often Led Off the Cliff

In most of the US, those who provide essential services are not allowed to strike either. HOWEVER, they do have they ability to collective bargaining in an effort to negotiate with their employers(the states and municipalities) to come up with an equitable situation for all.

Thus, the situation you describe is not much different than it is in the US…HOWEVER, the problem down here, is that many of the masses don’t have ANY understanding of how the system actually works.

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 4:27 pm

Eactly Kilgore. Sadly I don’t even think some of them realize how much they are being manipulated by their ‘masters”

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 3:51 pm

I tend to agree. I wouldn’t be able to stomach the bullshit either. YOU can’t EVER please everyone! And sadly so many don’t seem to get that very simple concept!

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 3:48 pm

I liked Donahue…he brought many issues that were often ignored, to the public consciousness.

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 3:46 pm

THAT would be your opinion….please see my post on how Teddy Roosevelt handled the Coal miners strike in 1902.

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 3:30 pm

I’ve come to the conclusion that the GOP are nothing more than opportunists, that use the populist sentiments of the TIME for their own gain and don’t really give a rat’s ass if the policies they endorse actually make sense.

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 3:07 pm

I think, that there are good unions, led by good people and unions that are led by bad people. I think JUST like anything in life, and that is ran by actual HUMAN beings there is opportunity for bad people to do bad things.

Interesting to note, the union leader of the miner’s union at the time, was actually quite corrupt. ALTHOUGH he was quite charismatic and attractive. As such he could play the public very well, but he WAS taking kickbacks.

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 2:54 pm

Sadly, I don’t think your rendition of what those types are thinking WAS over the top….{sigh}

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 2:49 pm

Is everyone familiar with the Great Coal Strike of 1902?

140,000 coal miners in Pennsylvania walked off the job in May of 1902, demanding an 8 hour work day, a 20% pay increase and recognition of their union the United Mineworkers union.

The owners of the mines, decided to play hard ball, and wait it out (they could afford to) and assumed the workers would give in, because they needed the money. Much to everyone’s surprise the workers did not give in and stayed on strike.

Come fall, the orders for coal were coming in rapidly, and the mine owners could not fill orders. The demand for coal in May was minimal, but not the case in fall, as coal generated factories and home heating fuel for much of the northeast. Coal prices skyrocketed.

President Teddy Roosevelt, up until that point basically stayed out of labor issues. However the lack of access to heating fuel, was a very major issue, besides public support was largely on the side of the miners, not the owners.

Teddy, being a pretty savvy politician, made a public announcement that if the strike continued he would declare a national state of emergency and have the army take over the mines. (THAT WAS FOR PUBLIC consumption only). Privately he asked JP MORGAN (one of the richest most influential robber barons of the time) to put pressure on the mine owners and the union. IT worked, as those in business at the time, didn’t say no to the likes of JP Morgan. The two parties went to the table and compromised on a solution.

The miners didn’t make much headway toward their demands, but they did get some concessions. Pay was increased 10% and the work day was decreased to 9 hours a day from 12.

Roosevelt looked like a hero, although he really didn’t “Do” much.

My point in bringing up this story, is that there are ways this TOO can be handled by the POTUS and probably will result in things really happening “BEHIND closed doors”…Truthfully it’s always been that way. The public is fed one thing and the real work goes on behind closed doors.

I am sure Obama and his staff are aware of the REAL history of our nation and are aware of things WE the public aren’t.

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 2:20 pm

Hey Kilgore! Nice to see you today! 🙂

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 1:42 pm

Good question….and It would be nice if they would wake up!

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 1:41 pm

Actually he already DID address the issue…not in person, but he did make a statement.

“Some of what I’ve heard coming out of Wisconsin, where you’re just making it harder for public employees to collectively bargain, generally seems like more of an assault on unions,” Obama told the Milwaukee television affiliate WTMJ. “And I think it’s very important for us to understand that public employees, they’re our neighbors, they’re our friends.”

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/obama-opposes-republican-anti-union-b

WHY would it make a difference if he actually went there in person or made a statement on TV?

Should he make another statement on TV…probably…but his physical presence is NOT required…and could actually cause MORE issues than it would actually HELP.

For goodness sake, he’s just a man…he’s not a god.

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 1:38 pm

Another excellent point Kilgore!

It has become like watching a wrestling match, and about as believable!

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 1:29 pm

HI St. James!! How are you?

That seems like a good analogy for him!

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 1:28 pm

Excellent suggestion Kilgore.

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 1:22 pm

I’m just being realistic, where I don’t think you are.

And I think you are simply acting like ED and looking for reasons to moan and complain.

LOGICALLY, and logistically asking a sitting president to go to rallies such as this is simply not realistic and then complaining because he doesn’t is rather childish, in my opinion.

I’m not the one being negative…I’m being realistic…your comments are negative.

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 1:21 pm

Well said David! i couldn’t agree more!

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 1:18 pm

Mine too!

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 1:14 pm

I’m beginning to be very suspicious of the true motives of the supposed ‘left wing’ pundits.

Look at Arianna, she is the same as Ed.

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 1:11 pm

That does seem to be it, doesn’t it?

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 1:10 pm

Exactly. it’s the smart move.

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 1:05 pm

And AGAIN…any TIME the president is out in public, it is AFTER the area has been thoroughly secured.

When Obama came to my city last year, the secret service was here for days before getting ready for the visit. ALL police at all levels were involved in securing the area. It was crazy the day he arrived in our area.

The residents of the area, were very restricted in where we could go and what roads we could use.

IT was insane, and like nothing I’ld ever seen before…but of course in the city where I live, we did have presidential assassination, so we realize the risks.

A sitting president does not have the freedom of movement to just up and go somewhere and it is unrealistic and devoid of COMMON sense to think he does.

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 1:04 pm

NO they don’t…not anymore. WHEN they have walked through crowds, its been AFTER the area was thoroughly secured and THOSE in the crowds, have gone through security.

This isn’t worship, it’s called COMMON SENSE!

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 12:58 pm

Good points A. NO kidding about the cost of our tv programming. I pay quite a bit more than $300 per year so that I can have a few channels that I like which don’t come with the basic package!

I didn’t mind Ed when he first came on the scene on MSNBC, but the more I watched him, the less I liked him.

While I appreciate he is passionate, sometimes he is ridiculous in his conclusions and in his ideas about how to enact real change.

Sometimes I get the sneaking suspicion he is a plant…especially after he called for people to NOT vote in protest…that bothered me.

And I agree wholeheartedly about the dangers to the President if he were to attempt to go to these rallies…the danger to HIM and the security necessary to keep him safe, would make the rallies into a joke.

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 12:57 pm

You don’t think that a SITTING president, walking through crowds is dangerous to his safety?

HAVE you forgotten the lessons of our rather trouble passed concerning assassinations?

How MANY presidents have been assassinated?

In addition, you do realize that death threats against Obama are at an all time high? HOW would him being in such a situation be beneficial?

IT is highly UNREALISTIC to expect a sitting president to be in such a crowd, the security would be impossible.
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» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 12:23 pm

Hi KB! nice to see you ! 🙂

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 10:43 am

Very good catch escribacat. Now that I think about it, I can’t imagine such a drastic change either….excellent catch!

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 27, 2011 @ 10:23 am

Good night KB…Take care! 🙂

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 26, 2011 @ 11:26 pm

I think they are dangerous plutocrats who are simply looking to play some sick game with REAL people’s lives. I think they have convinced themselves that they truly are the ‘masters of the universe’ and they wish to only amass power for themselves By returning us to a sort of ‘feudal’ type system that is for their benefit and their benefit only.

But, hey that’s just my opinion…what do I know? 🙂

» Posted By Abbyrose86 On February 26, 2011 @ 11:11 pm