Vox Populi – 04-19-2019

c u soon

pinkpantheroz

I have come to one conclusion after seeing the response to the Mueller Report from people who actually read the thing – that lying is now the default position of the Republican Party and its adherents. What a wonderful indictment of a once reasonable-ish Party.

pinkpantheroz

hi glenn!

pinkpantheroz

Evenin’, gents. Exoneration, my ass!

glenn

‘I’d like to say Trump didn’t commit crimes, but I can’t”!

pinkpantheroz

Who better to run a dictatorship than a Dick!

pinkpantheroz

PPO–I agree about lying being the default position. How could Barr stand in front of all those cameras, and blatantly lie, knowing that the Mueller report didn’t say what he said it did? Did he even read the damn thing? How can a so-called lawyer come to the “conclusions” he did?

glenn

Ad–It will be interesting to see the polling for sure. But, what I’m more interested in is the Dems announcing that they are beginning impeachment proceedings based on the road map that Mueller set out for them.

glenn

One glaring question is about to be asked – by me! Does the USA need a President at all? This one does nothing, yet the country manages to stutter along geting day to day stuff done.

pinkpantheroz

‘Evening all – how is everyone holding up under the Barr assault on reality?

choicelady

CL!

pinkpantheroz

Ad–Not only Barr, but Sanders, even though she doesn’t need to appear before Congress. She just needs to appear in another place besides the White House

glenn

Hey back atcha, AdLib!

choicelady

Hi PPO!!

choicelady

Howdy, glenn1

choicelady

Doesn’t it say something when people start becoming nostalgic about Dubya?

pinkpantheroz

CL–Long time no “see”! Assault on reality, indeed!

glenn

So to the question of do we need a president? YES! We need someone like Obama, not someone like the Yam Man. Blessings on the civil service, but a lot of our loss lies in foreign relations, and it will be necessary to repair that for the WHOLE WORLD.

choicelady

PPO–Not sure the country is “getting day to day stuff done”. IRS agents are not collecting taxes, border patrol is not stopping immigrants, DACA kids are still in limbo, etc., etc.

glenn

PPO – I’m not nostalgic for W so much as for OBAMA!!!

choicelady

CL, that goes without saying.

pinkpantheroz

glenn – those are good points, but I see a lot of the day to day stuff still being carried out. Lucky for us #45 and his hit men (and a couple of women) don’t even know what to kill off!

choicelady

PPO–Not sure what you’re hearing, but I have to agree with CL. Don’t think people are so much nostalgic for W, as just saying, “..and we thought W was bad.” People are definitely nostalgic for Obama, though.

glenn

Ad, Warren is starting to demand impeachment hearinhs

pinkpantheroz

My point about dubya is that he used to be the yardstick for incompetence. I don’t think he was ever accused of blatant corruption.

pinkpantheroz

Murph!

pinkpantheroz

CL–I guess day to day stuff is being carried out, perhaps I was looking at the bigger picture, which is why we actually do need a working, and SANE president.

glenn

Hey Murph!

glenn

glenn, I was being a little cynical!

pinkpantheroz

Howdy Doody!Hi to ad, choice, glenn and ppo

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – Nope. I stand w Pelosi on this. Here’s why. Watergate is my model, my standard. We can and MUST beging “Russian interference” investigations NOW, and that started one hour after Barr’s press conference. Nadler requested Mueller’s appearance. Watergate did NOT begin as an impeachment hearing but a hearing into the origins and conduct of Watergate and its aftermath. OUT OF THAT came enough evidence on the record for the next step – impeachment. But that was with Dem control of BOTH houses. If we move directly into impeachment, the Senate will NOT convict, and he will be empowered, his popularity will strengthen, he will grow worse. Let’s have the hearing on the report and all its tentacles. That will do the job we need of eviscerating the SOB.

choicelady

It has been interesting taking the temperature around post Mueller report.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO–Yes, Warren shouldn’t be the only voice for impeachment. Actually, it should be republicans calling for his impeachment! Good lord, just imagine if a report like this had come out about Obama! F***ing cowards, those republicans. And, where in hell is McConnell? Didn’t anyone of that liberal press think to ask him about all of this?

glenn

Murph – hi! And what are you hearing?

choicelady

yay?!

Harleigh

PPO–Point taken about W. He was stupid, but not corrupt. The lying bully is both.

glenn

Harleigh! Gang’s all here!

pinkpantheroz

glenn – of course it should be. It isn’t. It won’t be. The Senate is IN THIS UP TO ITS NECK. No way they will convict.

choicelady

Choice I like your approach. Begin with a clear mission: let the truth be told, let it be known….and then decide how to respond to that. Ala Watergate.

MurphTheSurf3

Hi Harleigh.

MurphTheSurf3

Hi Harleigh!

choicelady

hey folks, stranger and more demented each day.

Harleigh

Harleigh – you or the world? I find you quite rational.

choicelady

For sure,H. Twilight Zone is alive and well in DC

pinkpantheroz

Spanky and the admin

Harleigh

Harleigh – THIS I can agree upon!

choicelady

PPO – you said it well.

choicelady

Ad–I’m just pissed that Sanders thinks she can get away with this stuff> Her answer to Stephanopolous when he pressed her about lying was “I’m not a robot like Dems.” What a sorry piece of work she is!

glenn

Hey Harleigh!

glenn

glenn – never worry about Sanders – her next job will be selling Bibles autographed by her Daddy on 3 am commercial TV.

choicelady

What am I hearing? Begin with given info base that almost everyone has……slim and/or badly formed…..continue with the level of attention that nearly everyone is giving to this….low energy…..move on whether they think it matters and you hear the mantra “the federal government needs to get back to the business of governing and making policy that effects the everyday person” all without realizing that if the the government is being broken by a corrupt executive allied with a self serving GOP in the House and Senate….. SOOOO…what am I hearing….everyone hunkering down in their already chosen position.

MurphTheSurf3

How about all those new jobs at the steel mills and car plants and Farms. Boy things are looking great, aren’t they?

pinkpantheroz

and clean coal jobs too

Harleigh

forgot about those, H!

pinkpantheroz

CL–I’m just hoping the press goes after every republican member of the Senate with questions about why they should NOT impeach, given the Mueller report. And the press better damn well keep asking this, and covering this with all the fervor and persistence they gave to Hillary’s emails.

glenn

Murph – that is confirmed over and over by smart Twitter users. So whatever we do on #45’s corruption has to be tied to his failure to serve your neighbors.

choicelady

CL–Good! That job is great for Sanders!

glenn

glenn- the Senate doesn’t impeach. Only the House. The senate convicts, and it won’t UNLESS the full and dastardly thing is exposed. We can replicate Watergate, expose the full story including McC’s sell out to Russia, and tie it ALL to the failure of this admin to do a GD thing for the people.

choicelady

Murph–The Dems (and the press)better not let this “move on”. This should be the top story every day, with different parts of the Mueller report being brought forward every day.

glenn

AG Barr is acting like Spank’s oersonal lawyer. WTF

Harleigh

Ad….I hope that Pelosi is taking her position to hold in the reins so that the stage coach does run off the road….I hope that she wants target specific investigations to generate the energy around impeachment and trial that she judges necessary to keep the investigations from defeating the Dems.

MurphTheSurf3

The look on Rosenstein’s face, or actually, the lack of expression told a lot.

pinkpantheroz

Harleigh….Trump found the reincarnation of Roy Cohn in Barr and is in bliss.

MurphTheSurf3

The House needs to make a Finding and toast Mr. Blobby’s ass.

pinkpantheroz

Ad – the issues here are wildly differnt from Clinton and far more like Watergate. We do NOT have the Senate though, and they will NOT convict him which will UNLEASH him to greater acts of fascist dominance if he’s not convicted. That’s why the hearing on his criminatlity and treason does not NEED to be tied to impeachment – we can vote him out, of that I am sure, and then INDICT and TRY and CONVICT the SOB – and any GOP henchmen like Nunes and McC.

choicelady

Glenn….it will be a bit of a tightrope walk for the Dems and the press but it is one that can be walked.

MurphTheSurf3

cl, but that means enduring 2 more years of the turd

pinkpantheroz

Murph – Nixon had his Cohn, too. Barr can be taken down with him. The feds and courts are salivating.

choicelady

Ad – that may be, and we may never convict her. So waht? NONE of his minions can get other jobs.

choicelady

CL….but are the feds and courts salivating over the proper dish.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I think so, yes. He hasn’t taken enough control over them. Another reason to tie him up in hearings.

choicelady

I am very concerned that Barr is going to move on closing down the federal investigations in the states..

MurphTheSurf3

CL–Sorry, you’re right. The Senate should be asked over and over again why they will NOT convict. The Mueller report plainly lays out obstruction of justice, and almost begs Congress to continue the investigation and begin impeachment proceedings. Also, Pelosi better stop worrying about “political” implications, and begin worrying about getting the lying bully out of office. She has everything she needs in the Mueller investigation to do so.

glenn

Murph – he might try. I doubt he can succeed.

choicelady

SO CL….you see the judiciary supporting Trump no matter what.

MurphTheSurf3

glenn – Pelosi CANNOT get him out without the Senate!

choicelady

IS there any way McConnell can be reined in and turfed out?

pinkpantheroz

Murph – no , I see the judiciary on OUR side overall.

choicelady

Ad…the sad thing is that the non Trump cult is equally as mindless…..it is hard to hold a position when one does not have info base and the argument tools to do so.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO – his approval is 30% in KY, and the Dems have a kick ass fighter pilot as his opponent. I think the Turtle is DOA in this election.

choicelady

CL….even those appointed by Trump.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – I am thinking Romney caves tomorrow.

choicelady

Cl, sigh, 2 more years!

pinkpantheroz

Murph – they aren’t dominant in the critical courts.

choicelady

CL–I get what you’re saying about voting the lying bully out. But, I just don’t seem to have the hope that you and Ad do that the American public will do so. If Russia interferes again, will the outcome be different? The Mueller report is a blueprint for impeachment and conviction, and Dems better start getting a spine before this all “blows over”.

glenn

Everytime Romney puts on his Crusader Rabbit suit I count the days before he runs back to the safety of hutch.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO – it’s more like 18 months, and we can tie the sucker up with hearings now to then.

choicelady

CL..I have not studies the courts enough to know.

MurphTheSurf3

LOL Murph – yup.

choicelady

Good Ol’ Flipper at it again.

pinkpantheroz

sorry to go so soon but I’m nodding out. laters folks,

Harleigh

Cheers, Harleigh – nice seeing you

pinkpantheroz

glenj – the solid, unalterable fact is we cannot impeach AND convict him with this Senate. CANNOT. That is a disaster for us – he will be emboldened and is perfectly capable of blowing up our entire system over it. He can try even if he’s investigated, but it’s less likely than if he’s exonerated (as he sees it.)

choicelady

Ad…she is a shred tactician and she has a number shrewd leaders and chairs around her……we shall see.

MurphTheSurf3

By Harleigh

MurphTheSurf3

Night, Harleigh – good to see you!

choicelady

Ad, even if no further indictments or impeachment, is there enough meat in Mueller’s report to get Dems ove the line in 2020?

pinkpantheroz

Ad – I don’t know if she would do it or not – if she thought the Senate would get the 67 votes, she would.

choicelady

Trumps taxes! When???????

pinkpantheroz

I think that Pelosi will support the creation of impeachment articles if the stir in the Senate among the GOP supports that being done….otherwise she will stick with the narrower target by target investigation looking to expose corruption and malfeasance.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–I did see that about Romney, but don’t forget the first part of his statement: “good news that there was insufficient evidence” to charge Trump with conspiring with Russia during the 2016 election or obstructing justice. “The alternative would have taken us through a wrenching process with the potential for constitutional crisis,” he said. “The business of government can move on.” NO, the business of government can NOT move on until we remove the corrupt, criminal, lying bully heading this government. So, like all republicans, he condemns the lying bully, but not enough to stand up to him. Words mean nothing until he calls for the lying bully’s conviction.

glenn

There is more ways than one to skin this rabid cat. Watergate type hearings coupled w solid links to how he’s screwed the American people would be my absolute best outcome.

choicelady

glenn – Romney is your answer to why we cannot convict.

choicelady

Sounds good, cl

pinkpantheroz

Glenn….and in those words Mitt “Crusader Rabbit” makes certain he is not far from the safety of his warm little hutch.

MurphTheSurf3

REMEMBER…a core GOP tactic is to show signs of going along with Democratic action and then torpedoing it when it comes time to lay down a vote. They will do the same with impeachment.

MurphTheSurf3

I met Nadler, a friend of a friend, in 2009 in DC. I am totally impressed with him. I had a different issues (convicting those guilty of torture) to which he gave him SOLID advice and direction that was right on the money. I met Schiff a few months ago in Sacramento. These are two amazing minds and courageous men. I will follow their lead.

choicelady

CL–I agree with the Watergate type hearings, but “how he’s screwed the American people” is a feature for republicans, not a bug. They want to see the government screw the American people. It seems that republican voters look for that…hence all of the “owning the libs” nonsense. The republican electorate, at least the rabid lying bully supporters, don’t see the lying bully as screwing them, only the libs, and that’s their goal.

glenn

CHoice…..with you re. both men.

MurphTheSurf3

cl sounds like a good team

pinkpantheroz

Ad – I am ALL FOR a public hearing, Watergate style. NOT for impeachment if we cannot convict. I think unrelenting exposure throught hearings and public evidence is ESSENTIAL. Impeachment will rest on ability to convict. And Pelosi knows that.

choicelady

Ad….your strategy is dependent on enough everyday folks swimming upstream against the inertia wherein being uninformed is the norm.

MurphTheSurf3

Sorry, folks, it’s been a long day and I’m wiped. Hope everyone has a good weekend, if you celebrate Passover or Easter, or don’t celebrate at all. Anyway, g’night and take care.

glenn

CL>……your approach is a both/and approach……

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn….goodnight to you.

MurphTheSurf3

I am just a schlub of a nobody, but I’ve had a chance to talk to Schiff and Nadler, and they are AWESOME. I also love Queen Maxine and the other committee heads who will add to the mix with subpoenas of financial records, etc. They are our Dream Team.

choicelady

G’night, glenn

pinkpantheroz

glenn – good night – and whatever you celebrate or dont’ – happy weekend!

choicelady

ChoiceSchlubLadyNobody….nah! doesn

MurphTheSurf3

doesn’t work for me…..

MurphTheSurf3

Is there anything in the report about the Trump Kids and in-laws?

pinkpantheroz

Ad…I want to congratulate you again for the fine tactical study you provide here a couple of days past. I have shared it as copy with folks here.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – LOL – AdLib can tell you: I’m a nobody who gets to hobnob with the somebodies. I learn. I don’t make change, but I know how to follow it!

choicelady

Ad – no disagreement. None. This is about the most effective strategy we can use to bring him down. Impeachment seems dangerously wrong. Hearings and major explosions of his treachery coupled with his callouse neglect of our people seems right.

choicelady

CL…..go to a mirror, look into it intently and say: “I AM SOMEBODY!” Cuz you are! One of the brightest somebodies I know and if get in at the side door that just adds to your lustre.

MurphTheSurf3

I wish I had half yours and Ad’s, brains, CL for this type of clarity.

pinkpantheroz

LOL – Murph, you’re very kind!

choicelady

Trump has floated the meme that the Mueller effort was an attempted coup! Impeachment hearings will provide him ammo to feed that scenario ad nauseam.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO….you are no slacker your self buddy! And a very good person on top of that.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO – you[‘re smart as a whip. We all see the problem. The devil is in the details of the best route forward. This is NOT easy. I seriouly fear this Yam Man.

choicelady

Gawrsh, Murph!

pinkpantheroz

All – we can always hope he resigns. Seriously!

choicelady

AdLib – Who snitched on my lobbyist ID??

choicelady

Ad and Choice That would make quite a Moniker.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – no – you’re the fullest brained guy I know!

choicelady

Ad….thus the image from Brazil

MurphTheSurf3

Image if you were fullybrained

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – he IS fully brained!

choicelady

So ar YOU! And PPO!

choicelady

CL>…oh I think so….but I was playing along with the comment and the image.

MurphTheSurf3

One thing might lean him in that direction, cl, Scorn, laughter, demeaning, satire. Let’s face it, not too many roads, schools, fed. buildings will be named after him. Rather all his current named ones will go away!

pinkpantheroz

Ad…..I have an unremitting confidence that dumb is just getting dumber.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad and PPO – we can get him scorned without going impeachment. Back to “Watergate style hearings.” I really favor those for two reasons: expose the sucker for what he’s done AND very possibly move the needle in the Senate to convict.

choicelady

PPO…..what a great image that is….his named edifices going away….and being replaced by nothing….or maybe trash dumps.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – I thought it was an under current of currents. But that’s just me.

choicelady

CL……your approach seems the most like to win others over slowly.

MurphTheSurf3

Remember with impeachment and even conviction – we STILL HAVE PENCE. He’d NO DOUBT pull a Ford and pardon him.

choicelady

I’d love the real MSM to boycott the White House altogether. Let Trump walk alone to the chopper, SHS talk to an empty room. Ignore them, and, lastly, Twitter suspend Trumps account!

pinkpantheroz

Murph – I am a tortoise: slow and steady wins the race.

choicelady

CL….just look at his adoring eyes and know that CL has Pence Pegged.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – it creeps me to think Pence has the hots for the Yam Man. Seriously. Creeps me.

choicelady

PPO….that would be grand….hollywood perfect drama….but the business is competitive and no one will give grand.

MurphTheSurf3

…..if only Pence had to resign before Blobby…..

pinkpantheroz

Ad – I don’t think he’d quit for those reasons. But he is lazy and not happy to be in the spotlight. He might convince himself he’s immune and do just that.

choicelady

If we want Trump indicted he needs to lose and lose big.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – NOW YOU’RE TALKING!!!

choicelady

This is why I want a Watergate hearing – expose his corruption to the soybean family farmer (the one NOT bailed out) and all his little people, and then show he did NOTHING for them!

choicelady

Ad – the lesson learned here is how important control of BOTH houses is, and how much reform we need in CU and the issues of $$$ in politics.

choicelady

AD – LOL!!

choicelady

absolutely, cl! Sow the disastrous economic hole he’s dug, that, one again, the Dems will have to fill in

pinkpantheroz

Show th….

pinkpantheroz

Ad….our government was an ideal created by men who did not want to be Parliamentary like England and what we have, and have had for nearly all of our history, is a system that cements incompetents, liars, creeps, crooks and Trumps into a place from which they can not be extricated without a major seismic break.

MurphTheSurf3

I was driving through the mid part of CA today. Barely a farmworker to be seen. We are desperate here in CA because the WALL issue has cut access to farm labor by about 90%. He’s made such STUPID decisions. It has hurt everyone.

choicelady

Ad – the multiparty Parliamentary system is even worse. We can FIX ours. Not sure they can fix theirs. It’s exactly what got Hitler elevated.

choicelady

CL….and just as important….the fields are empty here in MO and next door in Arkansas.

MurphTheSurf3

Gee, maybe the CA farmers will have to offer Living Wages to attract workers. Now thats a radical thought, isn’t it?

pinkpantheroz

Murph – It is a system wide labor shortage.

choicelady

PPO – even a living wage wouldn’t attract basically urban homeless people. It stinks as a job, and immigrants are the only ones who WILL do it.

choicelady

Choice….we disagree re. Parliamentary system….Germany pre WWII was an aberration because the system was so badly structured and allowed for an institutional coup….the parties were shells.

MurphTheSurf3

cl, is Trump still getting special visas for his golf staff?

pinkpantheroz

Ad – Pelosi doesn’t HAVE to impeach him to rattle him to his core. Nadler and Schiff and Waters and all the others will eviscerate him. Lay his entrails out for all the ravens and vultures to pick over.

choicelady

PPO – no, he fired everyone, and I don’t know who is doing the work.

choicelady

CL….I know a roofer in my town who has employed temporary workers from central america from early spring through early winter. He owns houses where they reside. pays well, has health care for them…..and now he cannot get them here. He is desperate.

MurphTheSurf3

cl, Press Conferences daily by a Dem Relay team listing all Trumps corruption, tax evasions, dirty deals, ripping off the taxpayers, and lots of other stuff.

pinkpantheroz

Murph – I saw this again (Germany I think, could be wrong) where the Greens (not OUR stupid ones but theirs) had to make pacts w the far right to survive. It’s a dicey system.

choicelady

CL…a longer discussion is needed for this but there are problems re. coalition government. Yes.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO – I think, given the “if it bleeds, it leads” mentality of our MSM, they’d FINALLY give space and time to the Dems on this.

choicelady

Ad – apparently the ‘support’ by the truckers et al. is waning. I think they’re seeing he has lied to them BIG TIME. It’s not as solid a base as it was.

choicelady

I’d love to see Colbert have a segment listing ‘ Lies Fox News Told Today”. Murdoch needs to be neutralised.

pinkpantheroz

Ad – until they screw up and lose votes of confidence. It’s an unstable system. We can fix the issues of $$ in politics without giving way to taht.

choicelady

Repeal Citizens United

pinkpantheroz

PPO – bring back rules against monopoly ownership of media and the Fairness Doctrine, and life in the USA would be VASTLY improved!

choicelady

Well I am heading off to bed….the battle goes on…best to all of you.

MurphTheSurf3

Night, Murph – sweet dreams!

choicelady

CL, YEs! Cheerio murph!

pinkpantheroz

Well, good chat tonight. See you all next week. ENjoy your Easter break

pinkpantheroz

I need to leave, too – we have’t had dinner yet, and that seems essential in this day and age. One cannot fight fascism on chips and salsa. Just can’t!

choicelady

cl, just add a Scotch!

pinkpantheroz

Good night all! Someone is also at the door! Hugs to you all.!

choicelady

Cheers, Ad

pinkpantheroz