Vox Populi – 04-05-2019

Hey Ad. a good week?

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I hope Roger Stone goes to jail where Barbara Bush was adored!’

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Yeah, Barr has dug a nice hole there, hasn’t he?

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Mr. Blobby must be shaking in his boots about the Tax files

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More South than that, AD!

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Mueller’s staff are no longer bound to stay silent. This is going to get ‘interesting’

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Maybe we should exile the GOP to Wind Farms and let the cancers take their course.

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Ad, right, The Laws are there. Have been and no one challenged to date, so, tough titties, BLob, hand ’em over.

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Ad, why has Bernie suddenly become shy about HIS?

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Dementia, for sure, AD!

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Doesn’t Mueller already have extracts for the Hill?

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straight from the IRS, yes? No need to go via WH?

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Ad, MUST they be provided and what penalties of they don’t?

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His millions might tarnish his ‘I’m one of you blue collar guys” image,not to mention where he gets payments from Lobbyists

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Ad, Subpoena? Hold My beer!

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CL!

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Hey everyone! Made it more or less on time! How is everyone?

choicelady

Hey PPO and AdLib! Lovely to see you. I’ll be glad to hold your beer, PPO!

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cl.

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Ad – Trump can SAY he won’t release them. He doesn’t have to. The IRS does and SHALL (bless Nancy Pelosi).

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Ad – that is exactly right. The law is clear. The IRS has NO grounds upon which to refuse.

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LOVED the Pelosi retort: don’t need to ask him!

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PPO – yes. Nancy and her Spine of Steel!

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I keep asking, vainly it seems, is there any way of neutralizing McConnell?

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Ad – I think of Cornelius Vanderbilt when it comes to Trump; Vanderbilt once said, “Law? Law? What to I care about the law? H’ain’t I got the POWER?” That’s Trump’s operating standard.

choicelady

PPO – define “neutralize”, and we can talk…

choicelady

Ad – spot ON. Looking at all the folks who, when confronted by Mueller and the spectre of prison, did a 180 and cooperated. Nothing cools extremist ardor quite as much as prison as their future.

choicelady

Well, it’s been real since post Civil War, and we’ve successfully pushed it back time and again. I seriously think people such as Schiff and Pelosi plus all the other good Dems w legal knowlege, will be our salvation.

choicelady

HEre’s hoping, cl.

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PPO – the laws are far more complex and thus important than simpletons claim they are.

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Who’d like to see Mnuchin in Orage Jumpsuit? Me ME Me

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Someone is challenging Mitch for 2020. She’s a vet, very popular, and Mitch is trailing in the 30% range for support. I think he’s not going to survive.

choicelady

PPO – Same here. Mnuchin won’t look good in orange either.

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cl, pity he can wreack so much havoc between now and then.

pinkpantheroz

Barr shows cracks already. He did the cover up for Reagan on Iran Contra. He won’t survive this.

choicelady

PPO – I know. And he will try. But we have to push as hard as we can for him to get scared.

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Hear, Hear, AD!

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Ad – I saw that – oragnes of law are very important here.

choicelady

*Oranges.

choicelady

What about us Oragnes, then?????

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Oragnes are beloved. Oranges, not so much when it comes to presidential speechs and jumpsuits.

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AdLib – KY is not, at the moment, as electorally corrupt as some other states. Never say never, but I think McC. is done.

choicelady

Ad – let us hope!

choicelady

Did I see a plaque on Obama’s bit of the Border, attributing it to Mr. Blobby?

pinkpantheroz

PPO – I totally missed that plaque issue. What happened?

choicelady

CL, trying to drop it here:

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pinkpantheroz

Odd how even KY voters who replaced a GREAT Dem gov with a wimpy GOP one are now totally off McC.

choicelady

PPO – it doesnt’ click open, so I’ll look at it later. Thanks.

choicelady

Ad – AMEN! No plaques for Donnie!

choicelady

OK, cl Google has heaps of images

pinkpantheroz

Cool, PPO. Thanks!

choicelady

Ad – the key for millions is the threat against health care. KY had a great program, KYnect, and it’s teetering on GOP threats. People are scared.

choicelady

Eeeuuuuw!

choicelady

Oh, OK, Ad

pinkpantheroz

Ad… Fee, Fi, FO Fum.

pinkpantheroz

PPO – LOL!!!! Got it down, thank you!

choicelady

As a longtime supporter of CA single payer, I now no longer am at the national level. Why? NOBODY has been willing to do the math needed to show at the micro level, costs and coverage. So promises of Medicare for All don’t thrill me. It would require a 40% cut across the board on everything. It’s not sustainable.

choicelady

Ad, Healthcare is the key point, especially when the GOP have nothing in any pipeline.

pinkpantheroz

That said, anyone who promises to DO that research, find the best plan, and beef up ACA in the meantime will probably be carried into Rome on the shoulders of grateful people a la the Caesars of old.

choicelady

Ad, I think that old GOP furphy: ‘Terrify ’em so they vote for us ‘ is long gone. It is now more like ‘We terrify them and they won’t vote for us. Bannon is missed in the halls of the GOP!!!

pinkpantheroz

People have figured out that “they” are not coming, “they” aren’t doing the harm. It’s the GOP.

choicelady

That MIGHT work, but if it requires a 40% cut to all payments including the orderlies and docs, it will NOT work. UC Davis pays internal med docs $127K per year. These are folks on the front lines, primary care. How can they exist on $80K especially with HUGE student debt? How could anyone take a 40-% pay cut? We need a commitment to “do the math” before we do anything.

choicelady

Ad, yes, the panicked squealing by Fox and the like of ‘convoys of militant Muslims from the 3 Mexicos’ doesn’t resonate any more. people are more scared about home-grown White Supremacist terrorism than a few asylum seekers.

pinkpantheroz

PPO – that’s the damned truth.

choicelady

PPO – even cops are far more afraid of white terrorists now. Yikes.

choicelady

That seems rational.

choicelady

southern new police hound named ‘Rommel’, of all things, had his name changed after backlash about Nazis in the Cops.

pinkpantheroz

Rommel???? WTF? These tiki torch Nazis need to be squashe and certainly eliminated from law enforcement. What the HELL was wrong w “Patton” for a name?

choicelady

Someone mentioned why not Patton? Dumb is as dumb gets.

pinkpantheroz

Ad – the 40% cut is built in to Medicare. That’s what they pay NOW. Taxing the rich would maybe help beef up reimbursement levels, but we want that money for every OTHER program, too. Nobody has done the deep dive into the sums we get from taxing the rich v all our spending wants.

choicelady

The problem w comparing rates v Canada lies in Medicare as it is v Canada as it is. We don’t begin to pay our docs that MUCH now, and on Medicare, it is less. It’s a fantasy about the rich docs. Sure they’re middle and up, but they aren’t millionaires. More to the point, services cost money for all personnel, supplies, equipment, etc. and we HAVE to do the economics.

choicelady

just read Mueller’s Grand Jury recovened Friday! 1st since Stone indictment in Jan

pinkpantheroz

PPO – yup. Mueller ain’t done.

choicelady

Murph!

pinkpantheroz

MURPH!!!

choicelady

Just in from a meeting. How are you all! PPO! CHoice! aaannnndddd AD!

MurphTheSurf3

What’s cooking”

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – the US costs are not necessarily about the MED costs as much as the INSURANCE costs. That’s why this has to be unpacked.

choicelady

CL….insurance and medicine as engines of profit!

MurphTheSurf3

Neighborhood “association”

MurphTheSurf3

There is a coalition of Mo. state legislatures that are trying to make it a requirement that all adults in the state be required to own a firearm.

MurphTheSurf3

OK – since in CA most of the hospitals are non profit or public, ‘profit’ is a weird word. Again – we need to do the match to figure out where surplus lies.

choicelady

Murph – I heard it was a requirement that each of you had to have an AR-15. A mere rifle just won’t do! Is that accurate?

choicelady

Having lived with the National Health Systems in both the UK and Canada I can attest to both giving greater value to far more people than anything in hte U.S.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph, oh for God’s sake, even after NZ?

pinkpantheroz

CL…that is part of the language in one draft.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – that’s not necessarily accurate. The amount we pay in insurance had, after ACA, only a 15% margin of profit for insurance companies. Take the base – it still may cost the same w only a 15% saving. That’s not much actually, to cover everyone.

choicelady

Ad and CL and PPO….the NRA is deeply behind this…..trying to find something to reanimate their base, their general support and their lagging membership and coffers.

MurphTheSurf3

Harleigh….? here and gone and then here again.

MurphTheSurf3

hi kids

Harleigh

hi pops!

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I don’t disagree w the principle of universal coverage only w the idea that is Medicare. And now, reports are that the Tories are penny pinching so that the most up to date drugs are NOT given to patients due to costs they cannot control. There are many glitches in any system. We need a due diligence exam of ALL of them.

choicelady

HARLEIGH!!!

choicelady

lol yep 71 tuesday

Harleigh

hi hon!

Harleigh

Harleigh – you’re a young’un. Happy birthday!

choicelady

Murph, I think the Rank and File of the NRA are trying to get rid of the Manufacturers reps in the Association, the real Gun Runners and lobbyists.

pinkpantheroz

CL….there are holes in every system and the Tories have decided to be Trumpsters in Parliamentary guise….

MurphTheSurf3

Happy Bidet, Harleigh!

pinkpantheroz

TY. at least i’m not demented like Spanky

Harleigh

Murph – the fact the Tories CAN do that shows a weakness we need to understand.

choicelady

Harligh – could you sub in as president then? We’d support you!

choicelady

PPO..the Manufacturers and Retailers backed a coup by ultras in the mid 1980’s and have exercised policy control ever since. The thing is the NRA are models of understanding when compared with the growing Gun Owners of America.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, Obscene salaries and commissions paid out. That’s where the discrepancies go.

pinkpantheroz

CL..agree.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad- well, we WERE paying double (and may be again where ACA is eviscerated) but after ACA that wasn’t true.

choicelady

Ooooh – yum!

choicelady

Ad – that’s gluten free, right?

choicelady

‘m licensed HC agent. a real cost line for single payer would be along the lines of a medicare plan G. that looks awesome!!!

Harleigh

ACA in my neck of the woods is shining brighter and brighter every day as the realization of what life without it is becoming clearer….esp. when even our dimmest bulbs are beginning to accept that the GOP not only does not have a plan but does not want a plan.

MurphTheSurf3

What’s a Medicare Plan G? I’m concerned NOT just about the cost to us, but to adequate reimbursements to docs, orderlies, nurses, etc.

choicelady

Ad – We knew there were reasons we loved you. Thank you!

choicelady

Ad…one of the stratagems being considered is tying home owner insurance rates to proof that the owner can defend his/her property.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I am so pissed it took all this to get your dim neighbors to wise up.

choicelady

Murph – what happens when a gun owning property owner gets that gun seized by the bad guys and used against him.her?

choicelady

plan G is 100 percent coverage withe a annual 185 dollar deductible for between 90 – 150 depending on where you live

Harleigh

CL…now that the song is no longer covered by copyright…know that I am singing Happy Birthday to you right now.

MurphTheSurf3

Wow – never heard of that, Harleigh. Thanks!

choicelady

CL….not really wised up, just less dumbed down.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…agreed, the most money for an inferior product.

MurphTheSurf3

LOL – thank you, Murph! That’s a good way of describing your community. Sigh.

choicelady

it’s medicare…. does not cover dental. vision. hearing or drugs.

Harleigh

Harleigh – nope. Never has.

choicelady

CL…that property owner gets publicly castigated for a failure to have more guns to stop the taking of the one gun.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – thought that would happen…

choicelady

I sell all that nationwide all day. LOL

Harleigh

When I tell friends in the UK that our national medical system (medicare) does not cover dental, vision or hearing….their jaws drop.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad….what are you…..a…..a…..a…..SOCIALIST!

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – the fallacy is that it WOULD do what you say, shift spending from insurance to medical coverage but even Sheila Kuehl couldn’t actually work out the math to create a self sufficient system. And that indicates that we don’t actually know what we’re doing yet.

choicelady

no cost regulation on drugs. get the same stuff in canada or mexico for 75-90 percent off, made in duhmurikkka.

Harleigh

Mruph – social democrat. Socialism’s med systems pretty much suck. Social democracies do a good job, and we can, too, IF we have someone do the deep dive into actual costs, coverage, etc. NOBODY but Sheila Kuehl has done that.

choicelady

CL…our entire social safety neck needs to be reexamined and replumbed. No one has the capacity to do this.

MurphTheSurf3

Well, folks, I’m away. Fall back tonight! See you all next week. Happy Easter holidays to all.

pinkpantheroz

CL….yeah, you socialists always try to use word salad to hid the truth…..we Show Me staters with Show You.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I’m with you 100%. I personally want a return to OEO programs that raised people out of poverty rather than sustained them through it. Disability sure. Support for homeless, sure, but finding ways to actually empower people? Priceless.

choicelady

medicare by itself is a 80/20 plan with deductibles on parts a and b.

Harleigh

Ad…the basic plan makes those extras something my european friends cannot comprehend.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO – Happy weekend. Easter is what – two weeks off? Enjoy the holidays!

choicelady

Murph – that’s the weakness in propagating the EXISTING system, and expanding it will cost more, of course. MATH, people! MATH! And at the MICRO not just macro levels.

choicelady

Adlib – If they love fascism, I’m amazed they’d let someone like Murph HAVE a gun. Or me for that matter.

choicelady

i’ve had guns since was 8. only have 2 pistols now, have not fired them in decades!!! lol

Harleigh

CL…and there you get to a reality….it is not clear who is really for economic empowerment. I live in inner city Chicago in the days of the Great Society and regard Head Start as a wonder until a local principal informed me that pre-k’s would be a far better idea as Head Start was nothing but a massive pork barrel boondoggle from the contractors who built crappy buildings to the directors who hired untrained friends to parents who just wanted a babysitters and did not give a damn about goals….shatter for liberal me.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, but under fascism the trains ran on time, and the leader nations got their pride back.

MurphTheSurf3

CL….shhhhhh….they have no idea how well armed I am.

MurphTheSurf3

Here is Mo. unseasonably cool, very wet, flooding all over the place….Easter?

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I’d reject that assessment of Head Start. What might well be true for Chicago (I grew up there) wasn’t true elsewhere. the Great Society programs WORKED, and I was with many of them in Philadelphia, Indianapolis, etc. That’s why they came under fire. They actually elevated POC. and you can’t permit THAT in a white dominant conservative world.

choicelady

Murph – we’re among friends who know these facts of you. This goes no further…

choicelady

CL….Chicago may be its own case, but I look at the nationwide impact of the Great Society and finds its legacy disappointing at best.

MurphTheSurf3

if jebus sees his shadow on easter we get 6 more weeks of bad winter weathe.

Harleigh

Harleigh is that when he pops out of the tomb?

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I think he did that already, didn’t he?

choicelady

yep and zombies out to the peeps….

Harleigh

he’s ok but way to early for me to find a fav yet

Harleigh

Ad – well, we all agreed that Sheila did great work, but the new DSoc bill was just shit. The macro analysis is very good. There is zero micro – don’t have a clue what it would cost each of us. They were too arrogant to USE her bill to build upon. And they screwed it up. Same with the federal bills. They suck.

choicelady

Ad….Joe….luv the guy but he feels more and more antiquated…..as does Bernie…..the electorate seeking change tends to do things like choose an Obama after a Bush, or a Trump after a Obama….does Biden feel like change?

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – I’m OK with Biden or anyone but Bernie. I’m done w Bernie forever for his lazy ass policies and inherent elite racism. He’s going on FOX after pandering to Jerry Falwell Jr at Liberty U. NO WAY is he OK.

choicelady

to me those guys look like old spice or aqua velva

Harleigh

Murph – right now all we can focus on is ending fascism. I will take ANYONE who can beat Trump.

choicelady

CL…and Bernie did not do what needed to be done for Hillary either.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – no he did not.

choicelady

I have no preferences. Well I did – Sherrod Brown, but he’s not running. Everyone else will be fine if they can beat the Yam Man.

choicelady

Yes… even Bernie. But he’s as incompetent as Trump, so I’m not going there unless I must.

choicelady

CL – with you re. Trump….but not just anyone can beat someone who fits so well into the needs of an angry, mean, unhappy, electorate….and knows how to use the most effective tactics in keeping them seething.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I do think Trump has burned his bridges with the majority of the country.

choicelady

CL…thank you for your assessment of Bernie. I often have said to his followers….so what has he actually DONE after his stint as the mayor of a midsized town? The comparison to Trump is well taken.

MurphTheSurf3

Spanky is totally demented and has been getting worse over the last 2.5 years. Raygun was in really bad shape the last 6 years of his Alzheimer’s admin but he was kept out of sight for the most part. I find this repube admin of Nazis very funny as they destroy this country. At least some of the press is starting to report on it. Too late.

Harleigh

Yes – DSoc via the CA Nurses wrote a stinko bill. Assembly Speaker gave it an extra year to be rewritten so it could pass. Michael Lighty, my peer in public policy, told me IN WRITING, that they were mad at Rendon for doing that because they wanted the Assembly NO votes 9against a crap bill) to be used to primary Assembly Dems. I have that IN WRITING. It was all political, not about health care.

choicelady

Who do I like. My favorite wonk is Warren. My favorite voice is Castro. My favorite crowd pleaser is O’Rourke.

MurphTheSurf3

Harleigh – I do’t think it’s too late. I think maybe it’s right on time w the election coming up.

choicelady

Murph – you slut.

choicelady

CL. Slut? Moi!?

MurphTheSurf3

he’s past whackdoodle

Harleigh

Ad – LOL!! Well, you won’t get this Cabinet to declare him stark, raving mad since part of the evidence for that is this Cabinet.

choicelady

AD….why would his cabinet have any interest in the 25th?

MurphTheSurf3

yep

Harleigh

Murph – no standards of rigidity, all flexible and good feelings for anyone.

choicelady

CL…Ad provided the standards and I rose to them.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – that may well be true, but DO THE MATH.

choicelady

ad 38 other countries have done it

Harleigh

Murph – or sank… I’m just like you. I like a lot of people for a lot of reasons.

choicelady

Harleigh – no, only Canada, Ireland, Britain have single payer. All the others are UNIVERSAL but multi payer. That’s why we need the math. Germany was very much like ACA, the way it once was headed, and it’s a highly regulated multipayer plan. It works.

choicelady

Just in case we think that our country is the world’s biggest mess…..let me say that the pained pleas for friends across the Pond int the current UK are very disheartening. The mother of Parliaments is quickly devolving into a mother-fucking parliament

MurphTheSurf3

fallin asleep folks…. time for beddy bye

Harleigh

ty… nite

Harleigh

I see great pain in my beloved UK. I see horrible things in my beloved Poland. I’m deeply worried about the sweep of the RW white supremacy movements and the influence of the new Quisling, Bannon. Russia is full tilt fascist, not commie, and they are effing dangerous that way.

choicelady

Ad – you may be onto something with the new Orange War. Hmmm.

choicelady

Good night, Harley!!!

choicelady

Germany has an unusual system in so many ways…..a country where industries are required to have labor representation at all levels of decision making….which is easier when dealing with organized workers….so industry is for unions! OMG

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I like that about Germany.

choicelady

Well again, we paid double BEFORE ACA, but not after. So we need a new calibration.

choicelady

Nite H Man!

MurphTheSurf3

Well folks, I’m suffling off, too. I got rear ended Wed. at low speed thank goodness. Hit and run by a new, spiffy, gigantic maroon SUV. Not actually hurt, but I do have aches and pains and am tired. So I will also say g’night and wish you an excellent weekend and week. Murph, keep your powder dry for your flintlock, OK? Hugs to you both.

choicelady

Thanks CL…hit and run…no one on the culprit list?

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – good point. VERY good point.

choicelady

Murph – too rattled to get the license, so no.

choicelady

Ad…to see the NATO Pres in a joint session did us all some good…..but then Trump refused to see him…grrrr.

MurphTheSurf3

No – chiropractor. I’m fine. Just still “feeling” it all in aches. Nothing serious.

choicelady

Ad – no, that would be too easy!

choicelady

Take care guys – loved talking w you both and PPO and Harleigh. Be well!

choicelady

Well…this has been fun. More happened here in an hour than in two hours of my association meeting.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…..still working on Medium……good in some ways, awful in others…..don’t know where this is going.

MurphTheSurf3