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Vox Populi – 10-16-2026

AdLib

October 16, 2026

Vox Populi – our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00 pm PT. Hope to see you then!

AdLib4 hours ago

Hey CL!!!

AdLib2 hours ago

G ood evening, Ad. How are you tonight?

choicelady

2 hours ago

Doing great, busy as I have been lately but it’s all good. Did you see my email reply to you?

AdLib2 hours ago

Did you hear we STILL revert to Standard Time Nov. 1? Nobody seems to want to commit to anything. Imagine that in this administration.

choicelady

2 hours ago

SO hard to believe that something that might help people didn’t get done!

AdLib2 hours ago

Sure did. I am mulling it all over. I do mulling very well.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Well, I’m for standard time permanently. It won’t get light until 8:30 am here, and it makes early doc visits very hard for me since I don’t drive in the dark well.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Mull away!

AdLib2 hours ago

I mull, but I don’t care for mulled cider. Go figure.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I remember that. I do like the longer days but I miss the rain of Fall and Winter during the Summer so something to enjoy and envy about both.

AdLib2 hours ago

Just saw a documentary on Martin Mull.

AdLib2 hours ago

Well, it will be what it is when it is.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I liked Martin Mull. Just not his cider.

choicelady

2 hours ago

He did invent it, right? Just cuz it’s referenced in Shakespeare and colonial records shouldn’t take away his fame.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I also like Robert Mueller.

AdLib2 hours ago

He fancied up his name.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Fancy Pants Mueller, that’s what they used to call him.

AdLib2 hours ago

Good man no matter what.

choicelady

2 hours ago

So I will mull over the options. I will do some perusing while I’m mulling to see why the Ohio law got blocked. The issues matter so we can find ways around them.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I do think having tackled AI dishonesty that the chair of Elections might be a good person to try.

choicelady

2 hours ago

So, every journalist was loading up to go after the horrible new press secretary and she didn’t even outlast a head of lettuce.

AdLib2 hours ago

From AI: “Ohio’s law on truth in political advertising was halted because a federal judge ruled it unconstitutional, stating that the government should not determine what constitutes political truth, as this could infringe on free speech rights. The judge emphasized that voters should be the ones to discern the truth in political statements, not the government.”

AdLib2 hours ago

I saw the lettuce won. Scaramucci lasted 2.4 times as long. She’s the winner! There was a US Attorney appointed and fired in 24 hours, but he’s not in the WH so she still holds that record.

choicelady

2 hours ago

That judge kind of missed the point. People CANNOT judge well.

choicelady

2 hours ago

So do we no longer use Scaramucci as a measure of time and now use a Zacharia?

AdLib2 hours ago

That judge was a moron and especially now, with deep fakes and all kinds of AI slop, that argument would likely not prevail today.

AdLib2 hours ago

If we can demand products be honestly represented, seems Truth in Advertising, already a thing, should be equally applied to all areas of speech.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Correction – all areas of PERSUASIVE speech.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Are citizens supposed to figure out which video is AI or not? How? No, things have gone too far over that line of letting the people decide. Again, moron judge.

AdLib2 hours ago

I will see what I can find’

choicelady

2 hours ago

But remember what I wrote and what is legal in many states, not legislating truth but simply tagging attacks that are not factually proven.

AdLib2 hours ago

Tagging lies not requiring truth, IOW.

AdLib2 hours ago

I do realize it will never apply to the old story about one candidate who said of another that his sister was “a well known thespian”. She was an actress. And people who thought it was something else are truly too stupid to live.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Exactly! SOme bonehead judges may try to separate political and commercial speech but exceptions to the 2nd Amendment like yelling fire in a theater is an objective exception, not a qualified one.

AdLib2 hours ago

YES! I remember that one! Back in my younger days in theater in HS, we made that same joke.

AdLib2 hours ago

Well, I shall see what we can do.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I think there is a way to evade the 1st Amendment issues by not preventing speech but tagging lies. State government essentially does that with proposition language, it judges what language fairly represents a proposition.

AdLib2 hours ago

I do think you’re correct.

choicelady

2 hours ago

The only question is, can we sanction and fine lies or just tag them as “not proven to be factual”.

AdLib2 hours ago

“Not factually proven.”

AdLib2 hours ago

And a fine for repeating lies IS in the public interest.

AdLib2 hours ago

Someone to bring into this might be my friend Trent Lange who fought for and got required revelations about funders of propositions in print and electronics.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I remember Trent, didn’t we speak with him at the time?

AdLib2 hours ago

I don’t remember. My retiree’s mantra – “I dunno”.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I question the whole proposition of the 1st Amendment protecting candidates’ rights to deceive and in essence steal away the power of people to vote for the candidate they otherwise would.

AdLib2 hours ago

Only person who really liked it was Laird. Everyone else got the queasies over the 1A stuff.

choicelady

2 hours ago

SCOTUS did us no favor ruling FOX could lie.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I see it as a battle of two rights and falling on the side of protecting the people’s right to a legitimate democracy seems to outweigh letting politicians lie and deceive.

AdLib2 hours ago

You’d think. But apparently noooo.

choicelady

2 hours ago

What these pols haven’t done is recognized that their absolutist version of 1st Amendment rights imposes on the basic right of people to fairly participate in a representative democracy and we can see now, after all these foolish people are regretting voting for Trump due to believing his lives, are suffering along with our democracy.

AdLib2 hours ago

Do we know any Constitutional scholars we could talk to?

choicelady

2 hours ago

Is Erwin still in OC?

AdLib2 hours ago

BTW, the 14th Amendment clashes with the 1st Amendment on this: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

AdLib2 hours ago

He’s at Berkeley School of Law!

choicelady

2 hours ago

Perfect! Didn’t we communicate with him on this?

AdLib2 hours ago

I’m pretty sure we did not.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Chemerinski

choicelady

2 hours ago

Maybe not, maybe we discussed reaching out to him.

AdLib2 hours ago

Erwin Chemerinsky

AdLib2 hours ago

That’s the guy.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Yep! Maybe worth a shot, at least a phone call if we couldn’t meet with him?

AdLib2 hours ago

Yes – ends in Y not I.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Or we could crash one of his classes.

AdLib2 hours ago

Would you be able to reach out on behalf of CalChurches to get his attention?

AdLib2 hours ago

Worth a try, I belonged, sort of, to the American Constitutional Society for a couple of years. Did work on religious freedom w reference to LGBTQ info. I had a contact in San Diego with whom I shared a panel that Rick would remember. I can’t recall his name. He’s sort of a dork but pretty good on the Constitution.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Once I can figure out a list, yes, I am still listed in the state lobbying guide as a “volunteer”.

choicelady

2 hours ago

That sounds interesting too.

AdLib2 hours ago

Oh? Cool!

AdLib2 hours ago

I cannot believe how many names I’ve forgotten.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I also knew a lot of Stanford students in ACS who by now must be in practice.

choicelady

2 hours ago

As you may know, I’m in a kind of “action” mode now, getting things done. I would love to see this move forward at least on consulting experts and trying to craft something constitutional to stop what all of these experts would likely agree is the corrosion of our democracy.

AdLib2 hours ago

I know what you mean, so many names have slipped by me too over the years.

AdLib2 hours ago

There is more urgency now with AI, tech oligarchs buying elections, on and on. We have to stop this from continuing to erode our rights and power.

AdLib2 hours ago

Greg’s daughter once asked one of her staff to make a mental note of something. An odd look came onto his face, and she laughed and asked what was wrong. He said, “I’m trying to forget something to make room to remember this.” I am SO WITH HIM!

choicelady

2 hours ago

Heh! Or we could just plug an external hard drive into our ears.

AdLib2 hours ago

Huh? Can’t hear you. I have an external drive in my ears…

choicelady

2 hours ago

BTW, did you hear that shingles shots appear to possibly help deter dementia?

AdLib2 hours ago

I thought it was a banana.

AdLib2 hours ago

Yes. So, apparently do COVID boosters! My stats w my doc are excellent. Mild statin, minimal BP med, and it all works. That means what choices we’ve made about our ways of life are working.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Banana, hard drive. Who can tell?

choicelady

2 hours ago

I got my shingles shots, I had shingles a little while back, wasn’t horrible but I didn’t want it again and risk it getting worse and so doubly pleased to have gotten it now.

AdLib2 hours ago

We heard the first is easy, the second flattens you. Did that happen to you?

choicelady

2 hours ago

Yes, I heard that too. We need to get our flu and Covid shots, maybe next weekend.

AdLib2 hours ago

Greg and I had both before we went to Ashland, and it knocked him flat out. Now we see why. But it was pretty OK for me. So I’m ready for the next six months. We go to the pharmacy for them. Easy to do.

choicelady

2 hours ago

They were both less than pleasant. Best to get them on a Friday to have the weekend to get over it. Mainly the next day was the most unpleasant.

AdLib2 hours ago

Yep, so do we, so easy to get them at the pharmacy. There are a few things that are better today than 20 years ago…but not easy to list many.

AdLib2 hours ago

OK – I shall gird my loins, whatever that means. I had chickenpox as a kid, so it’s in me. Greg had it, too. He got the first not the second. But he had to get a mumps shot since he’d never had it.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I DO like my cell phone. I like writing things in Word on the computer rather than typewriter. That’s where I end.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I got chicken pox for the first time as an adult, on Halloween from a kid whose parents thought it better for the kid not to miss Halloween but infect dozens of people giving candy to their kid.

AdLib2 hours ago

OMG – THAT is disgusting.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Yep. But the list of things that are worse today is hard to beat.

AdLib2 hours ago

And we had cell phones 20 years ago and computers. We also had Obama as our president.

AdLib2 hours ago

Well, not exactly 20 years aqgo but close.

AdLib2 hours ago

18 years ago.

AdLib2 hours ago

One reason we gave up our TV was that we were sick of having to have it installed. I am of the era where you bought it, brought it home, plugged it in, and adjusted the rabbit ears and watched. We don’t find much on cable we watch more than the 5-6 channels we had in major metropolitan areas.

choicelady

2 hours ago

18????? Holy cow. Time flies.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I married Tom 44 years ago. Despite the divorce and marrying Greg 20 years ago, the whole thing feels like 10.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I finally gave up on satellite and cable, was streaming via Sling when they were a bargain but when they jacked up their prices, I quit them too. We have streaming, most we don’t pay for because they come with our cell provider for free or other situations like that so we don’t pay for many but have several.

AdLib2 hours ago

I know! I just spoke today with a friend in the biz who I couldn’t believe I’ve known for like 25 years. Seems like sevral years ago, we hardly have been in contact over that time but wow.

AdLib2 hours ago

Thinking of the dim past when I was in HS and babysitting in the Chicago area, I had GREAT movies on WGN and saw all the stuff from Hollywood’s Golden Era plus the Irv Kupcinet talk show that was really GOOD conversations about contemporary issues.

choicelady

2 hours ago

BTW, San Clemente/San Juan Capistrano is burning.

AdLib2 hours ago

WHAT???? OMG!!!

choicelady

2 hours ago

Yes.

AdLib2 hours ago

If it takes out the Nixon house, is that a sign from God we should have jailed the bastard?

choicelady

2 hours ago

You know it!

AdLib2 hours ago

And thus a warning to Trump to watch his MAL ass?

choicelady

2 hours ago

I am all about making the crooks pay for their crimes now. I heard Jeffries in an interview list what House Dems would be doing and he ended his list with rooting out the corruption. That’s singing my song.

AdLib2 hours ago

That is terrifying, Ad – those poor people. Hope it doesn’t spread north. I have REALLY good friends in Irvine.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I can’t imagine it going that far, it’s a very long way. And those hills are what’s burning, not as many hills around Irvine.

AdLib2 hours ago

Scjhiff just posted this: Sen. Adam Schiff @schiff.senate.gov · 13s My team and I are monitoring the growing Norte Fire. If you are in Orange County, San Diego County, or surrounding areas please take precautions and listen to all evacuation orders from local official.

AdLib2 hours ago

Dems know they may not be able to convict in the Senate so are looking at ways to bring evidence to courts to prosecute. Marc Elias and others have told us one does NOT need DOJ (esp. if it IS DOJ) to prosecute, nor do we need fed Marshals to arrest. This is exciting.

choicelady

2 hours ago

YIKES!!!

choicelady

2 hours ago

Absolutely! My general suggestion is that Dems spend 2027 investigating and uncovering all the crimes and corruption and spend election year 2028 impeaching the Trump admin and the big orange poop himself.

AdLib2 hours ago

I have a beloved little AME church in Parris. They are a wonderful group, and right in dry, dusty, vulnerable parts of San Bernardino County. Hope they survive. The pastor was and is a dear friend who is no longer there, but I remember the people well.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I think we have the votes w the GOP to convict on Cabinet and other officials, yes.

choicelady

2 hours ago

MIGHT have the votes.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Perris has a mountain in the way of any fire from San Clemente area so probably okay but so many hills and brush up and down the coast around there.

AdLib2 hours ago

Yup.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Hegseth needs to be impeached.

AdLib2 hours ago

Impeachment is too good for him.

choicelady

2 hours ago

Todd Blanche. Stephen Miller. And Jared needs to be prosecuted.

AdLib2 hours ago

Absolutely. Miller can’t be impeached since he’s WH staff not a Congressionally vetted appointment, so I say drag him to hell, put garlic around his neck, expose him to the sun.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I want Vaught dragged through the streets on a tumbril.

choicelady

2 hours ago

I’m not for the guillotine or a stake through the heart. No blood. But utter public humiliation and prison time. Absolutely.

choicelady

2 hours ago

One reason I want this election over and successful is I want Murph back.

choicelady

an hour ago

Did you hear about Zuckerberg slanting Facebook against Lula and pumping up Bolsonaro? And Musk behind blacking out Starlink for Ukraine? They think they are kings! I say breakup their monopolies and nationalize SpaceX

AdLiban hour ago

Murph was here last week, just him and me. We missed you and TW.

AdLiban hour ago

But we had a nice chat, like you and I are now.

AdLiban hour ago

Not for public executions but public humiliations for Trump and his mob would be fine with me.

AdLiban hour ago

YES! I want Musk’s citizenship revoked for fraud – the legal ground for it – and Zuck stripped of his right to run anything. They did it to Frank Lorenzo at Eastern Airline, they can do it to Zuck.

choicelady

an hour ago

Oh, I am sorry to have missed him. For a second I thought you meant he was in CA!! But noooo. I’d love to talk more with him. He is amazing.

choicelady

an hour ago

Absolutely, Facebook bought Instagram and is a monopoly. Musk is a traitor and has broken federal law by exercising foreign policy on behalf of an enemy nation. The grounds are right there to strip him of SpaceX at the very least and an argumant could be made to strip a traitor of a major communications company filled with Russian propaganda too.

AdLiban hour ago

I want every con man stripped of his ill gotten gains. They’ve robbed us blind, and I want it all back.

choicelady

an hour ago

GO FOR IT ALL!!!

choicelady

an hour ago

No, Murph was on Vox last Friday. I don’t think he’d ever come out to Cali.

AdLiban hour ago

Agreed. He’s bound tightly to his project. He has over 100 people on his farm now. He went from zero to that in 6 months.

choicelady

an hour ago

Yes! And I want a 50% billionaire tax to raise SS and Medicare benefits and re-fund all the programs that got cut so they could get tax cuts.

AdLiban hour ago

YES YES YES!!!

choicelady

an hour ago

Yes, it’s incredible what Murph is doing! So blown away by him and you, making big differences in the lives of the vulnerable, how incredible.

AdLiban hour ago

Well, we’re back down to two. Two more might return, but the two I tossed violated the ONLY things I asked them NOT to do – strangers partying after midnight, and drugs. How hard is it respect me on those things? Everyone is pissed at them and have zero sympathy for my ejecting them.

choicelady

an hour ago

zero sympathy for THEM for my tossing them out.

choicelady

an hour ago

Yes, you told me and that is all on them. It doesn’t erase how caring and generous you were to them that they didn’t respect or appreciate.

AdLiban hour ago

Indeed. You are a wonderful person to hold out your hand and open your property but if they slap your hand, I’m not the turn-the-other-cheek kind of guy.

AdLiban hour ago

I do expect a modicum of gratitude from people I am kind too, they don’t have to return the favor or do anything for me but disrespect? Nope, that won’t work.

AdLiban hour ago

Exactly.

choicelady

an hour ago

As I mentioned, I could have called that as the last thing he said. Because deep down he knows he screwed himself and has to project that on you.

AdLiban hour ago

I am not even upset for exactly that reason.

choicelady

an hour ago

There’s a reason some people have messed up lives and they keep repeating making poor decisions again and again. They never get it and they suffer due to their own decision making.

AdLiban hour ago

We used to sit on the porch and had wine and talked about the things we both remember from Midwest growing up. Silly stuff. It was fun. But he’s gotten really angry, mostly at himself, and I can’t fix that.

choicelady

an hour ago

He is in love with Mikey who isn’t gay, and he’s committing slow suicide. I can’t fix that either.

choicelady

an hour ago

Nope, you did the right thing and as I said, a minimum amount of respect is what you deserved. He eventually couldn’t get out of his own way to offer even that minimal offering. Goodbye and good luck…well, at least goodbye.

AdLiban hour ago

I do wish him good luck, but we make a lot of our own luck, and now it’s on him.

choicelady

an hour ago

I just had an experience with a self-destructive person, I mentioned it to you. Much different circumstances but some people when they’re in a difficult period, just make things worse by acting out.

AdLiban hour ago

I always tell people, this isn’t meant to be permanent but a staging area until you get your feet under you again. He couldn’t do that. Everyone else has.

choicelady

an hour ago

I was thinking of our folks here and how much your friend resembled Ron.

choicelady

an hour ago

Yep, and it’s beyond my understanding. I just can’t put myself in their shoes, when things are messed up, I just want to find a way out of it. Some people just feel more comfortable talking themselves out of doing anything to make their lives better.

AdLiban hour ago

I help them when they move. For VERY little money I know how to furnish an apartment – used but good furniture, Dollar Tree kitchenware. I can get people settled easily and nicely.

choicelady

an hour ago

I am Queen of the Thrift Store!

choicelady

an hour ago

And I know you make it clear to them that this is a process, to get them on their own feet. Some want that, others just can’t pull themselves together.

AdLiban hour ago

Brilliant! Debra would love going with you.

AdLiban hour ago

I’m exhaisted and not sure I’m going to No Kings tomorrow, are you? I’ve been working 24/7 on putting this biz together.

AdLiban hour ago

There are two men who don’t want to be indoors due to jail time. I appreciate their honesty about it. They ask for almost nothing, do their own work getting SSA and what they need, still do recycling (which is great for the neighborhood), and keep themselves to themselves. They know in a pinch I’m here for them, and there’s always a hug. But they NEVER exploit anyone. Ever.

choicelady

an hour ago

No, I am NOT going tomorrow. I am so beat up physically from the stress of Greg’s illness and recovery that isn’t complete, that I’m focusing on our home and getting stuff in better shape. I think you should take good care of YOU. That is part of resistance. Don’t burn your candle at both ends. It melts faster than you think!

choicelady

an hour ago

There is decency and self-respect in people who are struggling and deceit and irresponsibility in billionaires. Possessions and good fortune in life doesn’t determine an individual’s principles.

AdLiban hour ago

Thanks for that. I’ve gone to every one but I am truly tired from working non-stop. I think there will be many more people this close to the election, fired up and happy to fill in for me.

AdLiban hour ago

That is part of a book I just read about greedy people trying to corral a town’s water for profit. At the end two of the characters express a relief at recovering a beloved pair of boots and a canoe both with ties to the past memories and to utility in their lives now. The author did that grace note on what matters and why. Three thousand dollar brief cases or a beloved pair of comfortable boots? It was such a delicious thing to read.

choicelady

an hour ago

I can’t believe it’s only 17 days until the election! My only bet is whether Dems take the Senate and if Trump’s approval dips into the 20s by election day.

AdLiban hour ago

I always liked Rabbi Shofer’s saying that a woman does not need to save the world at the expense of herself. I think it applies to us all. We can’t win this if we’re gutted.

choicelady

an hour ago

May we win the Senate and crush the Orange Man! Onward and upward!

choicelady

an hour ago

Very nice! Especially when you deal with people passing away, you really see how all the material things they cared about don’t matter anymore. Being alive is about experiencing life itself and being apart of the plaqnet and humanity. In the end, that’s what matters.

AdLiban hour ago

MURPH!!!

AdLiban hour ago

It’s MURPH!

choicelady

an hour ago

We were talking about you!

AdLiban hour ago

Hi Guys…just back from a No Kings organization meeting. Big Rally tomorrow

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

That’s super! How are YOU doing with all your doing?

choicelady

an hour ago

Yes, we were just talking about that. I think it will be the biggest one yet!

AdLiban hour ago

Ad…what were you and CL speaking of? My youthful good looks?

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

ALl of the above.

AdLiban hour ago

Well of course!

choicelady

an hour ago

I got called in by friends at the last minute to help with the registration process…it is going to be ginormous.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Well… maybe a little about the amazing job you’re doing out there caring for the vulnerable.

AdLiban hour ago

Murph – that is SO GREAT!

choicelady

an hour ago

I know it is! Trump’s rallies have never been so puny and meanwhile he’ll see massive, probably the biggest ever, national rallies against him and his tin pot dictatorship.

AdLiban hour ago

It is interesting how many volunteers I have. I think that there is a growing sense of societal responsibility.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

That alone is the best news ever. We’ve spent years shuffling responsibility on others and more and more people now see that’s NOT how you keep democracy!

choicelady

an hour ago

I think you’re right. As my old theory goes, once people are suffering, they focus on what really matters and the outrages against them, their neighbors and the country.

AdLiban hour ago

BRAVO!!!

choicelady

an hour ago

I have given the Vox address to several of the folks I am working with a lot. They would be great additions.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

That would be fun!

choicelady

an hour ago

Murph, that would be great! Would enjoy meeting them and chatting.

AdLiban hour ago

Question…how secrure is the site from tampering….a couple of friends want to be safe on line.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

So Murph, 17 days until the election, what do you think will happen?

AdLiban hour ago

CL…I will try to get them to review a couple of our evenings together to spark interest.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Murph – as a participant, I avoid (until tonight stupidly) using my own name, and in all these year I’ve never had a problem from any source.

choicelady

an hour ago

Very safe Murph, I have protection before people even get to the site and protection at the site. I just suggest they use usernames instead of their own.

AdLiban hour ago

CL – When did you use your name tonight? I can delete that comment.

AdLiban hour ago

I was recounting what Ron said to me as he stalked off.

choicelady

an hour ago

Ok CL, on it, BRB.

AdLiban hour ago

Ad….I am pretty certain the House will RISE AGAIN (i.e. turn blue) and each day a begin to think that the Senate might flip as well….I expect trump and his minions to try to interfere in the entire process.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

CL – It’s deleted, no one will see it.

AdLiban hour ago

Who is Ron?

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Murph – I agree. Ad and I were talking about that a bit. I think he will try. He WILL FAIL. Everyone in even RED states is unhappy with him and don’t support his evil.

choicelady

an hour ago

There are NO, NONE, ZERO, Maga/maggat signs, banners or flags for miles and miles and miles.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

One of the homeless guys I had to kick out. Ten years of help, he could not do what I asked – no strangers and parties after 11 pm. No illegal drugs. He f bombed me on his way out.

choicelady

an hour ago

THAT IS AMAZING, Murph!

choicelady

an hour ago

Murph – What do you think trump will try to prevent the election results? ICE at polling places? Seizing ballot boxes? Getting MAGA thugs to disrupt swing districts? Whatever he does, the hatred for him across the country will explode. He has no way out, treason or not, his loss in this election will carve him down and make him a flailing lame duck that Repubs will back away from.

AdLiban hour ago

CL…sadly….I have had similar moments…..hopefully he will not attemp a reprisl.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

He burned his bridges. You and I don’t offer a public camp ground but a home, a staging area for the next steps. Safe space. ONLY requirement? Respect it.

choicelady

an hour ago

That’s what Trump is clueless about, even his MAGA support is fleeing him.

AdLiban hour ago

Ad…I think he will try all of the above and I agree that things will go as you suggest. The best thing that Congress can do then is NOT impeach him….instead go after item after item after item of incompetence and corruption …death by a thouisand cuts.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

A friend in Youngstown OH sent me a photo as she passed his rally in the Covelli Center there. The signs said, “Smells like diapers and despair”. Inside they blocked off HALF the 7000 seats and the remaining 3500 were NOT filled.

choicelady

an hour ago

CL….he is so delusional I am not sure he can even see those empty seats.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Murph – Agreed but I have a suggestion for Congress under Dems and I’m sure they want to hear me tell them what to do. But that aside, I think Dems should spend 2027 forcing Trump to re-fund all the programs he’s decimated and use the budget to force him, do investigations all year then begin impeachments after gathering all the damning proof in 2028 as Election day will keep nearing.

AdLiban hour ago

An attorney friend reminded a group I was working with that SCOTUS gave a president immunity from impeachment IF the acts were in perforomance of his duty…..so he is not invulnerable.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Murph – I believe that is what Congress intends to do.

choicelady

an hour ago

Murph – No, Trump has immunity for criminal prosecution for “official acts”, not impeachment. That is a right under the Constitution that not even Roberts can take away.

AdLiban hour ago

So much of what he’s done isn’t “official duties”, quite the opposite, and SCOTUS left it to themselves to determine what is and isn’t. He is vulnerable. He had liberty not license, and he’s too stupid to know the difference.

choicelady

an hour ago

Ad…i like your refund stratagem….I have come to agree that impeachment efforts make him appear to be a victim and since they are structured so that success is virtually impossible…I would not bother…I like your approach KICK HIM IN HIS BIG FAT BUDGET.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

Congress has the Constitutional right to have the power of impeachment and no SCOTUS ruling can take that away. And any criminal dealings Trump has had that are not official acts, like bribery and crimes against humanity, he can be prosecuted for.

AdLiban hour ago

But Ad – if the act is not an official duty, he IS liable for arrest if it’s criminal. He just doesn’t get that.

choicelady

an hour ago

The limitation on impeachment is the lack most likely of 67 votes to convict.

choicelady

an hour ago

CL AND AD….I stand corrected…go after him with every shovel in the shed.

MurphTheSurf3

an hour ago

I have a pitchfork. I have a torch. I know how to use them.

choicelady

44 minutes ago

CL – You are absolutely right and many of the crimes he’s committing would not be covered by that immunity. And in 2029, I hope AG Jack Smith will prosecute Trump with all due haste…if Trump is still alive.

AdLib44 minutes ago

I think he will die before he’s convicted, but his memory needs to be so slimed we strip all honors from him. We did it for Nixon. We can surely do it for Trump.

choicelady

43 minutes ago

“I have a pitchfork. I have a torch. I know how to use them”. CL….you must have been at our meeting…we are using both as symbols at our gathering points.

MurphTheSurf3

43 minutes ago

Great minds!

choicelady

42 minutes ago

And if Trump is dead…there is always his family.

MurphTheSurf3

42 minutes ago

Murph – I shared with CL how the GOP is painted into a corner for 2028 as well. Trump will leave office as the most despised person ever to occupy the WH but…he will still control the GOP and he will be the kingmaker, only someone bowing to Trump will get the nom or he’ll turn the MAGAs against anyone else. But for the American voters, anyone who’s a slave to Trump will be poisonous. No way out for the GOP even if Trump dies because they will still think following him is the only path to “victory”.

AdLib42 minutes ago

BRB

choicelady

41 minutes ago

AD…what holds the mega ranks together … as you suggest.

MurphTheSurf3

41 minutes ago

I think Dems have a minimum of the next two elections falling for them and if they make real changes and really do what needs to be done, Repubs could be out of power for a dozen years or more.

AdLib40 minutes ago

The police here are talking about keeping all voting venues under their protection and keeping ICE at a distance…not sure how that works but I find the conversation encouraging.

MurphTheSurf3

39 minutes ago

Ad – your scenario is appealing and has the ring of reality about it.

MurphTheSurf3

38 minutes ago

After Trump, who would trust any of the Repub Trump-poseurs who battle to be loved by MAGAs. I think this horrible term won’t be forgotten as quickly as his first term was.

AdLib38 minutes ago

Well it is federal law that federal law enforcement is forbidden from being at polling places. So local police have the law on their side to prevent that.

AdLib37 minutes ago

Ad….so what will Trump control if things go as you just suggested

MurphTheSurf3

37 minutes ago

Ad….the police I know are looking at a wide perimeter not just at the polls themselves

MurphTheSurf3

36 minutes ago

And I think all Dem and swing state Givs should activate the National Guard in their state just to play it safe in case Trump tries declaring the Insurrection Act or something, which still wouldn’t allow him to violate that protection, it’s not martial law and only Congress can declare martial law.

AdLib36 minutes ago

Interesting thoughts about the Nat. Gd….

MurphTheSurf3

35 minutes ago

I have heard some people proposing that MAGA militias may try to just cause chaos and incidents around the country. Maybe but like the cops in your town, I don’t think many cities will just stand buy as these traitors try to prevent an election.

AdLib34 minutes ago

Are you concerned that such activation would lead red states to do the same?

MurphTheSurf3

34 minutes ago

I have heard talk of similar action…BUT there is a notable lack of excitement among the MAGA ranks for this.

MurphTheSurf3

33 minutes ago

I don’t know, maybe and if it’s to protect their voters if MAGA groups are causing chaos, it sure would make them hated if they instead turned their NG against their own citizens to protect the villains.

AdLib33 minutes ago

I’m back – probably Red states would do it, but so what? Seriously – people walking into a polling place don’t give much cause for state Guard or even Nat’l Guard to act.

choicelady

32 minutes ago

ACLU, NAACP, and every Constitutional legal group will have eyes out in high risk areas.

choicelady

32 minutes ago

And NG also can’t be at polling places. The thing is, Dems vote more heavily by mail so disrupting polling places broadly would hurt the Repub vote potentially.

AdLib31 minutes ago

Ad that was exactly my thought.

choicelady

31 minutes ago

All good points from you both…..of note I am part of a large group of activists who are choosing to go the polls on the day as a statement…what do you both think of that.

MurphTheSurf3

30 minutes ago

Dem Govs, AGs, Mayors, etc. have all been war-gaming out what Trump might do. I think they have plans in mind for whatever Trump tries. And let’s jump to the end, he will never prevail in court for his treason in trying to prevent an election so in the end, he could never win anyway.

AdLib30 minutes ago

Murph – You should hand out bottles of water and little American flags.

AdLib29 minutes ago

I DO think there will be an “October Surprise” and it will be a false flag. We need especially tomorrow to have everyone on high alert to NOT get pulled into anything. It has been suggested that if someone is trying to force you into a melee to create a ‘situation’, either sit down where you are or go sideways AWAY from it.

choicelady

29 minutes ago

Especially if people have to wait in line for a long time.

AdLib29 minutes ago

Which state made it illegal to hand out water? GA or somewhere I think. MO it should be oK.

choicelady

28 minutes ago

I want him to live a long, lonely exile at Mira Lago watching everythng fall apart around him and listening to his family curse him.

MurphTheSurf3

28 minutes ago

CL – Maybe a plot is to cause havoc and harm at No Kings rallies but I would bet that any MAGA perps would be way outnumbered and I can tell you, MAGAs aren’t the only ones who carry guns in open carry states.

AdLib27 minutes ago

Murph – we want his family WITH him watching their money get attached, clawed back, nothing to spend, servants gone.

choicelady

27 minutes ago

Ad…..i don’t want to give them anything…..it might look like a gesture of support.

MurphTheSurf3

27 minutes ago

Ad – that is very true, but people have to LEAVE a suspicious scene.

choicelady

27 minutes ago

CL – I thought it was FL that made handing water out a crime. Was it GA?

AdLib27 minutes ago

I don’t remember, remember? I gave up remembering with retirement.

choicelady

26 minutes ago

Murph – As I said, I would love Jack Smith to be the next Dem president’s AG and slam Trump into prison for the rest of his miserable life, cellmates with Jared.

AdLib26 minutes ago

I too want is family to live in pain….and in exile.

MurphTheSurf3

26 minutes ago

Murph – Understood, just being there is a great statement.

AdLib25 minutes ago

I would be fine with them hustling to another country because we can these days find the money to claw back.

choicelady

25 minutes ago

Ad….me too….C-L-N-G and throw away the key

MurphTheSurf3

25 minutes ago

A steel, not gold, toilet. Hard bed, thin blanket. That works.

choicelady

24 minutes ago

Ad….exactly….people know who we are.

MurphTheSurf3

24 minutes ago

Jeffries was asked if he would create a commission to investigate all of the crimes and corruption of the Trump Admin, he didn’t say yes but said they would pursue the corruption.

AdLib24 minutes ago

I think one commission will not be enough.

choicelady

24 minutes ago

CL. and really nasty cell mates.

MurphTheSurf3

23 minutes ago

Murph – yup. I don’t want him sexually assaulted, but grabbed by the collar and shoved around? Well, these things happen.

choicelady

23 minutes ago

CL – A commission would be ideal, let it run for a year then begin the indictments and do it directly with judges who can appoint independent prosecutors especially since the DoJ will be under indictments as well.

AdLib23 minutes ago

However it works best is fine with me!

choicelady

22 minutes ago

Did you all enjoy the PR work of Katie who set a record for fast eits.

MurphTheSurf3

22 minutes ago

Let him put gold decorations around his cell’s toilet.

AdLib22 minutes ago

The J6 committee did a stellar job presenting the case. Let them do that with other issues about stealing milk from babies for luxury living.

choicelady

22 minutes ago

All very good, spirited and appropriate.

MurphTheSurf3

21 minutes ago

Ad – I know from a friend’s son who did time that would never be allowed. Glue is verboten.

choicelady

21 minutes ago

Scaramucci is out of a job as a measure of time now. I thought the funniest riff on her was the video of that Miss America contestant who babbled foolishly, superimposed on Zacharia’s body.

AdLib20 minutes ago

Hardly a kid alive didn’t eat the paste in first grade. But Trump sniffed the glue. And the rest is history.

choicelady

20 minutes ago

Ad – I saw that! It was GREAT!

choicelady

20 minutes ago

CA Bar is charging her for claiming to be an attorney when she is not.

choicelady

19 minutes ago

Trump is such a cowardly lump….he did. not have the courage to admit to firing Katie…

MurphTheSurf3

19 minutes ago

Agreed CL – A Trump Crime and Reconcilliation Committee would do a hell of a great job in nailing down the crimes he can be prosecuted for as not protected by official business and the AG in 2028 can use that to fast track the prosecution and conviction of Trump.

AdLib19 minutes ago

He hired her. He looks stupid firing her so fast.

choicelady

18 minutes ago

CL – But she asked a lawyer and he said she could call herself a lawyer as long as she didn’t call herself an “attorney”. Explain that one to me.

AdLib18 minutes ago

TRUMP CRIME, REPARATION AND RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE…juat a bit of an add on

MurphTheSurf3

17 minutes ago

Ad – that’s not accurate per our bar.

choicelady

17 minutes ago

Murph – An improvement, I like it!

AdLib17 minutes ago

Good call, both of you!

choicelady

17 minutes ago

CL – I was joking, it’s like saying you can call something a rock but not a stone.

AdLib17 minutes ago

Exactly. Did she SAY that? I could see her saying that.

choicelady

16 minutes ago

She’s scary looking. She headed a group that said women who had had abortions should be executed.

choicelady

16 minutes ago

Even her excuse for illegally claiming to be a lawyer and giving legal advise, which I saw her do on a Fox News clip, was incredibly stupid. I mean, lying about being something…to reporters?! Who investigate things? Where is that on the Stupid Meter?

AdLib15 minutes ago

Evil witch.

choicelady

15 minutes ago

An attorney friend told me that there is some wiggle room in practice….recent graduates of law school are often referred to as a lawyer in prep for the Bar Exam that bestows the title of attorney.

MurphTheSurf3

15 minutes ago

Well, she wasn’t hired for her brains.

choicelady

14 minutes ago

CL – Yes, I saw that. And apparently, Natalie Harp is the one that championed her and brought her in. So imagine the lack of gray matter in that one.

AdLib14 minutes ago

There are people who have not taken the Bar who have a different status, but one doesn’t pretend to have practiced law in even China w no credentials.

choicelady

14 minutes ago

Harp is the Eva Braun of Trumpdom.

choicelady

13 minutes ago

She claimed to have practiced as a lawyer, even in China. Where only Chinese citizens can become lawyers.

AdLib13 minutes ago

She thinks nothing can be proven. Ooops. Wrong.

choicelady

13 minutes ago

Harp is a psycho. Her brother is just beside himself in how she spun out.

AdLib12 minutes ago

The WH did virtual no vetting of Zachari…..no investigation…no research….no interview.

MurphTheSurf3

12 minutes ago

There is nobody around Trump who is mentally OK.

choicelady

12 minutes ago

Nope, sounds like Harp told Trump to hire her, she was a fake blonde with a Mar-a-Lago look and he said yes.

AdLib12 minutes ago

Murph – he didn’t want someone vetted. He wanted someone pretty. Like Husted’s ass. (Direct quote, not making that up.)

choicelady

11 minutes ago

That’s what passes for “vetting” in the Trump WH.

AdLib11 minutes ago

Trump has led the GOP to become the creepiest group of weirdos and freaks. I hope Dems pick back up on that attack, it really was working until the Dem regulars snuffed it out.

AdLib10 minutes ago

CL….are you suggesting that Trump is….dare I say….A SLEEZE-HOUND?

MurphTheSurf3

10 minutes ago

No, Murph. I’m saying it FLAT OUT. He’s a SLEEZE HOUND!

choicelady

9 minutes ago

Weirdos. Freaks. Pedophiles. Criminals. Molesters. We’re the GOP and we’re offending for you.

AdLib9 minutes ago

And every insane thing Trump does he and his people claim that’s what the people voted for. Even though he didn’t run on insanity.

AdLib8 minutes ago

In a very odd way this circles around to the Epstein Files. Even 83% of the GOP want them released in full. The rest is confirmation.

choicelady

8 minutes ago

I think the Epstein files are leaking through, Katie Phang is making good progress in forcing Blanche to release unredacted files. Once Dems win next month and in 2028, the Epsteing files will flood out like a dam bursting and Trump and many of these disgusting billionaires will be outed and hopefully prosecuted.

AdLib6 minutes ago

Well friends….midnight is not that far of soI need to wrap things up since I will be on deck by mid morning.

MurphTheSurf3

6 minutes ago

I sure hope so. The courts have not been friendly to Blanche.

choicelady

6 minutes ago

Take care, Murph. Stay safe. We want to hear all about it if you have the energy next week. Have fun while you’re at it!

choicelady

5 minutes ago

Murph – Wishing you all the best on your great rally tomorrow! And in the 17 days to come when we finally take away Trump’s grip on total power.

AdLib5 minutes ago

Location — The rally will take place in Wentzville, Missouri, along Mid Rivers Mall Drive. Time — Scheduled for 12:00 PM to 1:30 PM CDT with side events going much later on October 17, 2026. Purpose — Aimed at increasing voter participation and awareness ahead of elections.

MurphTheSurf3

5 minutes ago

PERFECT, Murph!

choicelady

5 minutes ago

Excellent! Go get ’em MO voters! We need you!

AdLib5 minutes ago

I hope that’s fairly nearby so you don’t have a long drive to and from!

choicelady

4 minutes ago

We have so many rallies out here, I think tomorrow will be the biggest of them all.

AdLib3 minutes ago