Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PT. Hope to see you then!
AdLib7 days ago
Hey Ad
twilson117
7 days ago
Hi Tw
AdLib7 days ago
Ok I’m back
twilson117
7 days ago
Welcome back
AdLib7 days ago
Some is trying to log wonder if it’s Murph
twilson117
7 days ago
Had to do a little size adjustment
twilson117
7 days ago
Everything good now
AdLib7 days ago
Yeah things are ok
twilson117
7 days ago
I like to center the screen so I can see things better
twilson117
7 days ago
I think Murph is trying to log in
twilson117
7 days ago
Sometimes he has problems I think it may be his computer
AdLib7 days ago
Yeah like you mention before probably needs to clear his cash
twilson117
7 days ago
Be right back
AdLib7 days ago
I’m back
AdLib7 days ago
It looks like it may be just us, at least for the moment
twilson117
7 days ago
Did you see that Trump tariffs begin tomorrow and the stock market went down
AdLib7 days ago
I was just looking at a headline of and article that the DEI program Trump is blaming for the crash is one he launch in 2019
twilson117
7 days ago
Hey Murph
twilson117
7 days ago
Canada and Mexico says they are
AdLib7 days ago
Going to put tariffs on Elon musk and tesla
AdLib7 days ago
I got in. Ad worked his magic.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Nixon is looking better and better….
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Canada and Mexico, Trump targets, I have guess they’re fighting back
twilson117
7 days ago
Hi Murph
AdLib7 days ago
Murph Nixon?? How about Taff
twilson117
7 days ago
This makes the Saturday Night Massacre look like Saturday Night Live.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Satan is looking better and better
AdLib7 days ago
Will there be any government left a year from now
AdLib7 days ago
Murph better yet how about Harding and good ole tea pot dome scandal
twilson117
7 days ago
The weakness inherent in the constitutional structure of this nation is once more exposed to be very weak.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Ad there will always be a government just not the one we’re use to having. 
twilson117
7 days ago
It is hard for me to believe that most Americans will be happy seeing their loved ones in plane crashed, die from diseases, shootings from not being able to afford groceries.or will they just be glad the people they fear are suffering?
AdLib7 days ago
Unless there is a conversion of GOPers in the Congress, or a unified stand by the judiciary we may be at the end of the road.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Murph you make and excellent point. I believe that is one of the major reasons other countries who copied our constitution had.
twilson117
7 days ago
The biggest problem with a constitution is that if a president ignores it and ignores the court what power does it have?
AdLib7 days ago
Ad well none at all if the party is/she is from supports what he/she does
twilson117
7 days ago
TW- some other nations have taken on aspects of U.S. constitution but no one has adopted the core elements that are proving to be inherently weak.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Ad Like Jackson said not the the chief justice gave his ruling let him enforce it, thus no central bank
twilson117
7 days ago
The key to limiting trumps power is public opinion. If the majority really turns on him than trouble in congress will turn on him too if reelection is at stake.
AdLib7 days ago
Murph exactly. The concept of democray appeals but the process for making it work according to how we do it is flawed as we are seeing in real time with Frump.
twilson117
7 days ago
Ad….reelection is two years away,, by then there could be no elections at all. This is a coup.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Tw – – and trumps favorite prez was Andrew Johnson.
AdLib7 days ago
Ad yes he was.
twilson117
7 days ago
Murphy – – do
AdLib7 days ago
Johnson was a sick man…..birds of a feather fly together.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
You really think Trump has the power too or will to end elections?
AdLib7 days ago
I am beginning to think that the powers that back him have themeans to drive almost anything through the door.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
How do you like the strategy of Canada and Mexico to put tariffs on Tesla and other businesses owned by trump billionaires cronies
AdLib7 days ago
Ad did you see the article in Political how Trump could run for a third term and it would legal?
twilson117
7 days ago
Do Mexico and Canada have the means to stand against the U.S. in this. Can they hold on?
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
TW – – I didn’t see that article but now way is that legal? What was their theory?
AdLib7 days ago
It may take an experience like the nation had with Hoover to force sanity upon the people.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
What article.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Ad it is because there is bit of loop hole, I will admit it’s hokey, but basicaly he runs as VP and if they are elected has the VP step down and steps in. There is nothing in the constution (as far as I know) that prevents that.
twilson117
7 days ago
One thing that Trump and his insane billionaires don’t realize is that they are creating precedent to come in and radically change government to suit the people.
AdLib7 days ago
Ad – who leads, organizes and funds such an effort ….to comb …. in
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Ad as crazy at that sounds I really don’t see it happening because Trump is too damn over weight, and in my opinion can’t handle the stress of the job not matter how much he doesn’t do it.
twilson117
7 days ago
TW- – that person who wrote that article is wrong because to become VP you must be qualified to be president and if you have already served two terms you are
AdLib7 days ago
Not qualified.
AdLib7 days ago
This is ALL about January 6…..Trump has one goal……It is 1984 in which history is re-written constantly.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
For example a VIP must be the proper age a us citizen and any other requirements for President he must have
AdLib7 days ago
There is nothing in the constituion that I know of to say a president can’t run for vp is there?
twilson117
7 days ago
I don’t think he will live that long anyway. He is not looking good as is
AdLib7 days ago
The sad thing is we lost the press as a safety net
AdLib7 days ago
Ad I also see him having major health problems
twilson117
7 days ago
Billionaires own the media and social media amd they happily jumped into bed with Trump and the Oligarchs government
AdLib7 days ago
This is not just about Trump…there is political and economic sub culture that has both MAGA and Billionaires in it….expressed in the Project Documents that shaped much of the first two weeks.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
If there’s is a revolution then only a county revolution can meet it.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Murph spot on. This is becoming the day of the billionaires.
twilson117
7 days ago
Country – counter revolution
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Murph- – you are absolutely correct the oligarchy is already controlling our government. Look at Musk he just took over the computer systems for much of the government this is insane!
AdLib7 days ago
But for me here is the thing, the people in the country don’t seem to give a damn. The just don’t
twilson117
7 days ago
So Ad….what is to be done….
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
I should say the MAGA freks
twilson117
7 days ago
This is why I am insisting that nothing can be done to change things and to stop some of this madness until many people are suffering. That they will listen to and they’ll want change. So sadly we just have to wait for the obviously destructive moves Trump to have their impact on the American people.
AdLib7 days ago
Ad the major problem with that is all the Repubs think Musk is freaking genius, and he’s not, but the bought the story that he is hook line and sinker
twilson117
7 days ago
TW….I have long espoused a theory that the leadership of the nationa’s plutocratic right have work to undermine democratic instruments in the nation. Kids do not learn civics or history; the power of big money to control elections via massive cash distributiion and by creating instruments that made brainwashing a breeze.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Murph- – IMO we have to wait for the public to turn against Trump and they want turn until they are suffering but that will happen
AdLib7 days ago
Murph- I agree with you 100%
AdLib7 days ago
Ad, yes the people will suffer….all of us will suffer…..but what can the people do to overturn this kind of power.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Murph you were doing the right thing providing the information for them to digest, it was up to them to take it in absorb it and reference it when they faced these type of issues, but the did not and just wanted to believe the lies because the sounded to good and easier to digest. Democracy is hard, especially if you want to keep it.
twilson117
7 days ago
Can Trump Rule without such support from the people.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Look what happened to the attempt to defund all of federal offices. They had to reverse it because the public was so upset. So they are vulnerable to public opinion.
AdLib7 days ago
Murph having the support of the people is always nice, but what does a dictartor do when the people don’t support him/her? People start to disappear.
twilson117
7 days ago
Murph – – ultimately Trump can’t do what he wants if the public turns against him. Because he will lose republican support in congress if they see the public will turn on them for supporting him
AdLib7 days ago
Ad….yes, the rising up over the blocking of funds to ground programs did have an impact…so, perhaps there is a hopeful approach.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Ad my question around you’re statement about losing Republican support, is what would be the tipping point for that to take place if they age getting most of what they want?
twilson117
7 days ago
Look how quickly Trump tried to blame the plane crash on DEI because he knows he is to blame for gutting the TSA and air safety. These types of lies will not work in the long run when
AdLib7 days ago
TW and Ad…the last two pasts from you provide the point and counterpoint at the core of my worrry
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
More and more problems add up because of the destruction he has caused
AdLib7 days ago
BRB
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Ad but they are part of the destructive process by approving what he does. Does that mean they then start to grown a conscience?
twilson117
7 days ago
CL and I are on the same page that the best thing we can do right now is prepare ourselves for the Economic downturn and crash that is coming
AdLib7 days ago
Ad I mean from what I see they are in bed with him all the way so far.
twilson117
7 days ago
Right now protecting ourselves is the best thing we can do to survive what is coming and be in a position of strength to fight back once the majority is angry at him
AdLib7 days ago
I am back
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Ad understand about the need to take personal proactive action. But from your point when do you see the Repugs turning against Trump when for no the are in lock step with him?
twilson117
7 days ago
TW – – when MAGAs can’t afford groceries or rent or healthcare and lose their jobs I think they will be done with Trump
AdLib7 days ago
Ad so it will be the outcry of the people that will cause the repugs in the Senate and House to start to disown Trump and grow a spine and start telling him no?
twilson117
7 days ago
And if the MAGA’s are done with Trump…what if that does not matter….that the power inherent in the national government is enough for him and his ilk to brush off even their opposition.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
TW…ad is gone…….
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
TW….Ad is back
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Im
AdLib7 days ago
Back
AdLib7 days ago
I do think we will get thru this horrible period. And many things that are being destroyed are being repaired because that democrats seem to do. And the thing that these people are in power is the most is the majority turning against them. And they will make that come true.
AdLib7 days ago
Ad…I pray you are correct.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Ad do you see democracy being the same as we have come to know now? Or will it have some modifications to it?
twilson117
7 days ago
Murph – – what do you think will happen in the next 4 years ?
AdLib7 days ago
Well, friends, I need to get to bed…..we had two weeks of bitter cold and my farm was iced in…did not get out for 16 days……much to do to return the property to some health.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
TW – – I don’t think things will go all the way back to where they should be but I do think we wi pull back from this tyranny.
AdLib7 days ago
Murph Wow iced for that long.
twilson117
7 days ago
Get some rest Murph hope you get the farm in good shape soon. Take care.
AdLib7 days ago
Ad for the question, is will the people really learn from it and make the changes that are needed to prevent it from happening again.
twilson117
7 days ago
Ad…in the next four years….emerging chaos across much of the country. Trump and his crowd are not very competent and make a mess of most of what they touch…..but there is no model for opposition that I can think of that restores the nation order. National fragmentation?
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Murph we can always hope the Valcans stop by and pay us a visit, but we have to have a space ship to reach wrap speed.
twilson117
7 days ago
TW – – we already agree that people are ifnorant and stupid. They are basically well dressed amoebas and will only response to stimulus such as suffering. But suffering takes priority. And that’s what I am waiting for
AdLib7 days ago
Sitting here I am recalling my despondency during the Biden/Trump Debate, the elation attached to the Harris Ticket and the brokenness we all experienced on the night of the election and I wonder WAS THE FIX IN from the start.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Murph what kind of fix do you think could have been on
AdLib7 days ago
Ad well dressed amoebas, that says it all. 
twilson117
7 days ago
I truly wonder if the election processes were compromised….
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Never underestimate the power of suffering to unit people. Consider the French Revolution. Consider the Arab spring. Yes revolutions like these don’t always work out but they happen. And I don’t think Trump is expecting that
AdLib7 days ago
What if the election was stolen…..that Trump’s people did what he accused Biden of doing four years ago.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Murph I can understand the despondency but the fact that people seem to believe living under another Trump term is going to make their lives better, when they damn well they had it good under Biden, that is what I don’t understand.
twilson117
7 days ago
Murph- – the thing is votes for Kamala were down in blue states too. A lot of people did not vote for her in states that did not have republicans in power.
AdLib7 days ago
The French Revolution was a bloody affair that led to the Napoleonic Wards….broke France and fractured much Europe. High cost ending in resurgence of the power of wealthy oligarchs.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Ad during the French reveloution there were some innocent people who lost their heads.
twilson117
7 days ago
Murph I’m not saying the aftermath of a revolt is a good thing but Trump will not the escape the anger of the public and will
AdLib7 days ago
Ad,,,,,and I believe that in enough of those blue states the election was turned by campaigns that suppressed the vote…..and those campaigns included barely disguised bribery.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Murph – But why didn’t voter suppression work the same way in 2020?
AdLib7 days ago
Trumps people (especially the ones who are actually running the show) know that the greatest threat they face is the next national election when the House and Senate could flip so they need to take a very radical road.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Ad you have something there from this certain point of view. With what Trump is doing with immigration, there will be some major mistakes that will happen with ICE sweeping up the wrong people and something could happen that will get the attention of the public which could well start truning the tied against Trump and his cronnies.
twilson117
7 days ago
Murph – My proposition is that people are stupid, they forgot how bad things were under Trump and thanks to the MSM and Social Media becoming mouthpieces for Trump, lots of stupid people voted for his lies of waving a magic wand to make everything better and racism and misogyny aided in suppressing a lot of votes too.
AdLib7 days ago
Ad…Trump is a figurehead….after 2020 the powers that underpin the movement that we think of as MAGA….have taken hold and are calling the shots.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Ad yes people are stupid I give that, but they are also racist and as long as Trump continues to play that card there is a large segment the will do anything he says and follow him into bowels of Hell as well.
twilson117
7 days ago
Trump essentially got a similar turnout but Kamala had far less votes than Biden had. And keep in mind, Biden’s approval numbers were ridiculously low for most of his presidency, mostly in the negative, even into the 30s on approval BECAUSE the media was merciless in attacking him for every thing they possibly could. Yes, it was a coup in a way, and it was media and social media that I think really delivered it. Biden brought us into great financial times from Trump’s destruction of our economy, there is no reasonable way to justify the constant attacks the media made on him which destroyed his suppport and Kamala’s.
AdLib7 days ago
Murph – I agree with you on that but one factor that is necessary for the oligarchs who own the media and social media to succeed in their collusion to end our democracy is that people have to be doing well enough financially to be willing to go along with the razing on America. If people are suffering at the hands of the oligarchs, all the propoganda in the world won’t stop them from turning on the tyrants in power.
AdLib7 days ago
razing of America
AdLib7 days ago
I have written about this before…the election Obama created the impetus for a movement led by plutocrats to ensure that they and their people got and held the power….first step…..be sure that Hillary does not win…find a front piece who will serve your needs….and pour every bit of cash, influence, and outright skullduggery to bear to ensure an empire with a front piece.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Murph – I remember the phrase, “We just need someone who can hold a pen.”
AdLib7 days ago
When it came to the question of which Repub should be president.
AdLib7 days ago
Ad, yep….And your scathing indictment of media for its failure is spot on and that was largely a result of who has come to control that same media. Plutocrats.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
So yes, the GOP is clearly the vehicle for oligarchs ot sieze power. It’s not even a theory anymore, look at the enormous amount of power Musk has over OUR government. An unelected oligarch is controlling our government. We are in an oligarchy this very minute.
AdLib7 days ago
Now I do need to go to my bed and hopefully have a good dream or two,
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
As always, a spirited and informed discussion….something that is very hard to find. Thanks for keeping it going, Ad.
MurphTheSurf3
7 days ago
Murph – Exactly! The billionaires are the ones who have been stealing the wealth of these morons who march like lemmings behind Trump. It’s the old story of convincing the ignorant to vote against their best interests to benefit the oligarchs. That’s why I will not shed a tear for any of the MAGAs who get crushed by what’s going on. They wanted it, they deserve to be destroyed but so many good people who don’t deserve it will be crushed too. I heard Trump’s preparing an EO to end the Dept. of Education, ending school meals, afterschool programs, forcing the firing of teachers and forcing class sizes to explode and children’s education to suffer. Lot’s of good people will be hurt but lots of your neighbors and their children and grandchildren will be suffering too.
AdLib7 days ago
Hey TW, shall we chat?
AdLib7 days ago
Yes, are you on the road???
twilson117
7 days ago
I was but I’m home now. How did you know? Was at my daughter’s first games of the season.
AdLib7 days ago
The lag time between responses I will give you a call in 60 seconds
twilson117
7 days ago
You’d make a great detective!
AdLib7 days ago
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