Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00 pm PT. Hope to see you then!
AdLib5 hours ago
Hey TW!
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey, so how was the game?
twilson117
2 hours ago
The first game went well, the last game they lost.
AdLib2 hours ago
Well I know teams always want to win everything but some times it doesn’t work that way.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Yes, nothing and nobody is perfect?
AdLib2 hours ago
True. We try the best we can. But from what you told me they seem to be off to a good start.
twilson117
2 hours ago
So I assume you saw Trump blow up against Zelinsky.
AdLib2 hours ago
So where was this game played?
twilson117
2 hours ago
San Francisco State University.
AdLib2 hours ago
Yes I saw that, what a total ass he and his lackey VP are
twilson117
2 hours ago
Other than MAGA cult members, who would watch that video and think Trump didn’t look like an ass?
AdLib2 hours ago
So isn’t that a bit of a drive for you? I’m under the impression you’re in the LA area right?
twilson117
2 hours ago
Hi Ad and TW – just saw they lost the second game. I am so sorry, but, as you note, that’s life.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL is the house
twilson117
2 hours ago
Yes, I flew up from LA on United and it was only $60 roundtrip!
AdLib2 hours ago
Hi TW! Hi Ad! Ad – it’s odd to have you so near and yet so far!!!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Well at least somethings are still affordable
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad – that’s a stunning good price!!!
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – My daughter got thrown into each game towards the end as the house was on fire, bases loaded and runs threatening, she held them to no runs in the first game but they got 1 run in the second game and her team lost. It was not nice to keep throwing her in only in high pressure situations, she should have been the starting pitcher in Game 2.
AdLib2 hours ago
It was a stupid 76 here today. Plunging back to normal Sunday with rain. See you were pretty normal in SF. The valley is the canary in the coal mine on global warming.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – If you wave I think I can see you from the back porch of my hotel!
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – sounds as if her coach could use a coach.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – I haven’t had a $60 round trip airfare for a very long time!
AdLib2 hours ago
As to Trump I believe he is deliberately trying to sabotage the Ukraine US relationship to give Putin an advantage, he’s been bought off by Putin a long time ago
twilson117
2 hours ago
Oh – I see you! I’m waving!!!
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Her coach is not very bright IMO, he does dumb things and the team is so talented, they usually win despite him. Lots of coaches are like that and they think they’re geniuses.
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey CL, I see you too!
AdLib2 hours ago
CL – It was pretty warm in SFO today…until the sun was setting.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – I know Zelensky offered the mineral deal hoping Trump could be persuaded and equally know he figured it was a very long shot. I’m sure Ukraine has been planning to go it without the USA since Nov. 5. Trump thought Z. would cave and be humiliated. Instead he walked out, no agreement signed. Trump has GOT to be furious he couldn’t humble Zelensky.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – I don’t think Trump is smart nor that he purposely tried to accomplish anything today than to bully and extort Zelinsky.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – weird weather is NOT unknown this time of year.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad – well, Trump failed. He and JD look like asses to the whole world.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL sadly I believe you’re correct they will have carry on without US help.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad we all know
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL- Agreed, Trump thinks the only “negotiation” is extortion or blackmail. Like the common criminal he is.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – they are getting enormous support from EU. I think they will be OK.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad well all know Trump is as smart as a wet stinky dish rag.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – that sums it up perfectly.
choicelady
2 hours ago
I’m sure Fox News declared that Trump look strong and presidential today. Who cares, I think he just convinced Zelinsky that it would be insane to make a deal with him and thus, Trump screwed himself.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL let’s hope so. It’s in their best interest to keep supporting them because Putin is looking in their direction as well.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad Trump looked like the dumbass bully he’s always been. And that a-hole of a VP is getting on my last nerve,.
twilson117
2 hours ago
All of Europe knows Putin has his claws out BUT Russia is teetering on the edge of total collapse, and if Canada plus Europe weigh in – UK says they’re sending troops – Russia’s goose is cooked.
choicelady
2 hours ago
This could be a MAJOR global game changer if EU/Canada take down Russia.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – Yes, Europe is well aware that if Ukraine is forced to surrender to Putin, they’re next on the menu. They won’t risk that. Zelinsky should snub Trump who will wail about wanting to destroy Zelinsky but Europe will pick up the slack.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL if Canada sends Troops I wonder if that will cause Trump reconsider making Canada th 51st State even though it has what 13 provinces I believe
twilson117
2 hours ago
Trump has no idea yet how bad today was for HIM. I don’t think for the USA – for HIM. Everyone knows key people support Ukraine. They distinguish him from the country.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – haven’t heard Canada will, only GB. But if they do send troops, Trump will plotz.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – The necessary way to deal with extortion is not to give in. And the way to deal with a bully is punch him in the nose. I think Zelinsky has to swallow hard and accept that he can’t bow to Trump who will only betray him to Russia in the end. It isn’t a viable path. He needs to walk away from Trump and embrace the EU and NATO.
AdLib2 hours ago
Trump would have to declare war, and that’s not likely.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Did you see the guy ask Zelinsky why he doesn’t were suits when he comes to the WH some one said he MTG’s boyfriend what an a-hole he was.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Zelinsky walked out. Trump and JD did not expect that at all. Touche! (Accent grave not available.)
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL good for him
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL – Agreed, Trump and Vance have so much hubris it blinds them to how they are perceived and how they are sabotaging themselves. As I always say, blowback is coming and they have no idea.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – loved Zelinsky’s reply – after the war I’ll wear costume, maybe better than yours.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Good thing it’s Ukraine that probably doesn’t waste a cent on hit teams.
choicelady
2 hours ago
When I see people like that fool who asked the dumb ass questions I have to realize there are some really, really, really, dumb-ass people in the world.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Trump can’t declare war…legally, though that hasn’t stopped him from other declarations. Only Congress can declare war and you know there would be urgent lawsuits going right up to the SCOTUS if he tried to. But he won’t because it’s just a threat to extort Zelinsky.
AdLib2 hours ago
I didn’t see the whole thing, did Zelinsky walk out of that press conference?
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad Trump is on his way to his third impeachment and this time it will stick
twilson117
2 hours ago
Trump is left holding an empty sack. Zelinsky prepped for having no US support. It’s over.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad – I didn’t see the end, but yes, that’s what I heard and read. He was polite but left.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – SO has Zelinsky stated publicly that he won’t sign the deal?
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – we can’t impeach him until we get majorities. So he has at least 2 years.
choicelady
2 hours ago
I don’t think he said anything. He just left, deal unsigned.
choicelady
2 hours ago
When – not if – Ukraine topples Russia, Trump will be left with MAJOR egg on his face. Even at $12 a dozen.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL I can wait 
When that time comes he will have screwed himself in so many ways it will be a slam dunk
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – worth waiting for!!
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL yes, because he is going to screw so many things up. But I do believe we have to keep focused as I do think he will try to suspend the Consititution and declare himself a dictator.
twilson117
2 hours ago
You know how I know Zelinsky quit seeking a deal with Trump? Because, as I just read, Trump is declaring HE ended negotiations with Zelinsky, that “he’s not ready”. If you know how 8 year old bullies think, how they can never admit they were rejected and humiliated, you know why Trump is saying that.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL – 
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad Trump has egg on his face and he knows it. He is an idiot, not only that he is blundering 78 old dumber than dumb idiot
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad – that’s our toddler. Pretends HE is in charge!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Trump is humiliated because he’s already promised plutocrats their participation in Ukraine’s mineral rights and now he has to go back to them and whine that he “”decided” not to get them because Zelinsky was mean to him.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad & Cl you need to check this video out, it is a constituet giving his congressmen a damn good dressing down it’s powerfull
twilson117
2 hours ago
You know the olod phrase about, if you give a fool enough rope, they’ll hang themselves? I think it is inevitable for Trump. Repubs are already turning on him, many who work for the Feds in one way or another and thought that only the non-white people would be fired. Saw a story in WAPO (from a screen capture someone posted on Bluesky, I will NEVER get another subscription to that traitorous rag again) about a national park worker, a woman, who is “shocked and surprised” that she’s been fired after voting for Trump to fire the “wasteful” hires (read PoC). Apparently, she is shocked that after voting for the face-eating tigers to take power, they ate her face.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – That’s the wrong link, it is of Trump today in the press conference.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad your right give me a sec
twilson117
2 hours ago
Did either of you see the outstanding article in Atlantic on defining Trump’s administration?
Patrimonialism. It’s the same as feudal manor lords: live off what you can take from your subjects. It posits that the two words to describe it people actually get: It’s corrupt and incompetent. People can relate to those terms where they might not to “fascism”.
choicelady
2 hours ago
And wait until the 25% tariffs against Canada and Mexico kick in next week! Inflation and the economy will go wild and more and more people will be turning against Trump. A critical mass will be reached before too long as a solid majority of Americans turn against Trump.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL – Love that artwork of a neurotic narcissist, the article is partial though, has a paywall.
AdLib2 hours ago
It’s not true that all the angry folks at GOP town halls were Dems. TONS were MAGA who feel utterly betrayed.
choicelady
an hour ago
Did we lose TW?
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Of course we know that, that many Repubs were at those townhalls and angry at Trump and Musk. This is why I have said that the one thing that makes propoganda ineffective is when people suffer so we have to embrace the necessity of many Repubs, especially MAGAs, suffering to where Trump’s and Repubs’ propaganda that voters are with them and America is “great again”, is flatly rejected because people are living through real damage to their lives.
AdLiban hour ago
The tens of thousands of firings of government workers, the slashing of spending that directly funds the jobs of Repubs in Red States, and the job loss and unaffordability of groceries, appliances, homes, etc. will make these Trump voters turn against him as their enemy.
AdLiban hour ago
Sociologists (I sort of am one) refer to the “hegemony of everyday life”. The demands of work, home, kids are overwhelming. Add in oppressive steps by government to remove or destroy the meager supports one has, no matter how imperfect, and it’s a disaster. Trump doesn’t care – but he and Elon should. Hard times CANNOT be made harder for people who believe you when you said you’d fix them. They are losing support rapidly as people’s lives become MUCH harder.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW is back!
choicelady
an hour ago
I’m back
twilson117
an hour ago
Boop! I’m here too!
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – I sure hope so!
choicelady
an hour ago
I was looking for a really good video of a constituent taking it to his cong rep about the cuts he was really impactful, but I can’t seem to find the link when I do I will send it to you Ad
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – I’d love to see it, too. This is exhausting. I wound up, past two days, with several homeless people on my porch, frightened that the two things they have – medical care and food – are about to go.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – So true! As hard as life is for most people, especially rural folks, pulling the rug out from under them financially will make them become desperate and angry…against those in power when this hits them. Trump and Musk will blame Biden but those outraged and beaten up people will only express anger at those in power. Trump may indeed unite the country as he dishonestly promised, against him!
AdLiban hour ago
People are scared, middle class on down. That is NOT good for Trump.
choicelady
an hour ago
Republicans are getting so much heat they have been advise the don’t have to hold these meetings if they believe they will be threaten
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – blaming Biden isn’t working NOW. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, knows the changes are Trump’s.
choicelady
an hour ago
Tw – oddly, NO ONE threatened any GOP Rep at the town halls. The real fear is they will be called out as liars.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Agreed but Trump was blaming Biden and Hunter Biden today for everything bad happening. Ity’s not working, you’re right!
AdLiban hour ago
CL the way the are working the budget is for sure will allow that to happen
twilson117
an hour ago
Hey Murph!
AdLiban hour ago
Murph is in the house break out the good stuff folks
twilson117
an hour ago
Hello gang….everyone polishing up on their Russian?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – Trump is the Boy Who Cried Wolf – he’s used the Biden/Hunter tropes several times too ofen.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW….Vodka!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
MURPH!!! No – I’m practicing myUkrainian.
choicelady
an hour ago
I do know a little Polish. Does that help?
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…now that is a bold choice.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – The real fear of Repub Congresspeople is having their voters destroy their careers and presssure them to turn on Trump. They see their voters as morons and Trump as the biggest threat to their maintaining their seats so they are fine throwing their voters under the bus.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph no Vodka for Chivas Royal Salute 22 year for me
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – There is real fear we won’t have midterms, but if we do, those people are toast.
choicelady
an hour ago
I am late here because I was on line with friends from the UK who I was in school with….great chums…totally disgusted with the U.S. right now.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – and well they should be!
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph that’s good to know
twilson117
an hour ago
Da svidania Trump.
AdLiban hour ago
Have you all come up with any briliant takes on the day’s events?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph Impeachment number three
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – Trump screwed up, and very few believe otherwise. Zelensky walked out on the mineral deal, and everyone knows that, too. He’s probably flinging ketchup even as we speak.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad where us Trump going?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph I think we should hire people to let the air out of the tires of Air Force One 
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – If Trump tries to cancel our elections in 2026, he will both fail and face the most massive protests this nation has ever seen. He may want that, to validate invoking the Insurrection Act and he has fired Generals but there is no way that the people in the military are going to shoot their families, friends and neighbors for protesting the end of elections. Trump and his cronies may think so but I would bet not.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – Trump is demanding the NEW AF 1 plane NOW. I think it’s like Reagan demanding the Challenger to on the day of the SOTU. When something isn’t ready, best to leave it, but noooo. So we may see a Challenger repeat soon.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – After Trump’s humiliating outbursts today, after the Canada and Mexico tariffs kick in, after the stock market keeps tanking and after the next jobs report and economic report shows the economy in a tailspin, Trump’s insanity will explode and the end may indeed be near.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – I totally agree. Our military are not going to do that. HOWEVER, Blackwater is baaaack and wanting a contract for mercenaries to round up “illegals” and maybe do the shooting. But there aren’t a lot of them, and state guards may NOT be released to Trump at least in Blue states.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL he can demand. But, unless he knows how to build it himself, he will just have to wait
twilson117
an hour ago
Tw – if he gets a plane that isn’t 100% ready, oh well…
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – I can’t tell you how heartbroken I would be if Trump is in his new AF1 when it “Challengers”. I really can’t.
AdLiban hour ago
CL yeah oh well indeed. Don’t feed the Gremilins after midnight
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – same here on the plane. You are an ass about it, Trump? Karma.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – In such a case, I think Blue State governors will declarean emergency and order the National Guard in their states to protect the people and refuse to follow any orders from a traitorous “president”. Then there’s local police too that won’t be too happy about their friends andfamilies being attacked by Blackwater.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – how are things going in your area?
choicelady
an hour ago
I AM CAUGHT UP! Boy….you folks type fast and say much.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – shy and retiring we are not.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – You type pretty fast yourself!
AdLiban hour ago
Nor demure or reticent.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Does anyone here see any way that Trump doesn’t turn most of the country rabidly against him and Musk?
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – having the national police union retract their endorsement after the J6 pardon was HUGE,and people need to use that to build relationships in their communities w commiseration for the betrayal of police by Trump.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad you mean he hasn’t already?
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – Nope.
choicelady
an hour ago
You ask how things are here…….well Trump banners and flags that were flying proudly are disappearing….again.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – I think, back to that Atlantic article, he will be seen as corrupt and incompetent by most of his former supporters. We already do!
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad Trump is for sure unraveling before our very eyes
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – that’s good!
choicelady
an hour ago
Trump NEVER learned that if you screw people who did you a favor and fail to do one for them, they get pissed really easily.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph do you think the folks are starting realize what they will lose if Trump gets his way?
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – I think you’re right, it’s been only a month and he’s losing his mind. That press conference today was insane. And Repub voters are turning against him…and they’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg of the disaster he’s got coming their way.
AdLiban hour ago
Trump’s whole method is, “What have you done for me lately?” People now are asking, “What have you done for ME EVER?”
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad, Cry Havoc! And let slip the dogs of war
twilson117
an hour ago
Here is an interesting side story from Mo. The measles outbreak has hit here. The state agency charged with senior citizen assistance sent out a note to all of its contacts advising that we have our measles status evaluated. Boosters are needed by many. Walgreens confirmed this as did my doctor……the bulletin has been taken down by the site…..
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – perfect quotation.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – Revenge is a dish best served cold…aw what the hell, serve it piping hot to that evil lunatic.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – that’s utterly irresponsible of MO. I’m old enough to have HAD measles (ugh) so don’t need a booster. But if you were vaxxed as a kid, yes, get one.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad yes it is as the Kilingons love to say
twilson117
an hour ago
Lots of folks on BlueSky are saying deliver karma to him, unlubed. Gross but fitting.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…….I am sure the senior services people did not take it down….I am sure that the GOP leadership is fallowing the Kennedy Kid who is called any call for boosters a conspiratorial dodge.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph RFK jr and his stupid self
twilson117
an hour ago
As we know, propaganda is the engine of Trump, Musk and the current GOP. It’s clear that the way they will deal with this measles outbreak and any other potential pandemic, is to simply lie to the public about it as a hoax or not serious, as RFK Jr. did this week about measles.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – your GOP are, as kids used to say, crusin’ for a brusin’. RFK, Jr. is horrific. Listen to your doc and Walgreens.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph people should be asking him why he had his kinds vacinated and now saying it shouldn’t be done. What f—-ing idiot
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – we must never let anyone forget he had his kids all vaxxed.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….Ad….TW…..I am helping to organize a booster clinic at our lock Walgreens.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – That’s fantastic!!!
AdLiban hour ago
and now they’re screwing with the next flu vaccine which at the moment is the ONLY protection against avian flu if it goes airborne.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL yes, he is prime example of hypocisy six ways from Sunday
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – YES!!!
choicelady
an hour ago
But CL, I’d argue that it’s not Karma that will destroy Trump, it’s Trump.
AdLiban hour ago
He likes to eat roadkill. Anyone find a dead bat for him to gnaw?
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph Good for you, because measles is deadly if not treated
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – well, that’s just as good if not better.
choicelady
an hour ago
I am also joining a group that is linked to a Ukrainian Catholic Church which has been very active in providing support to their folks back home.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – excellent!
choicelady
an hour ago
It says a lot that the more outrageous and destructive things Trump does, we become more confident of his downfall. Seems to affirm that it will indeed be the evil that Trump does that drags him down to Hell.
AdLiban hour ago
What interests me is how many folks are doing what we are – working locally to shore up people at risk, build out supports. That did NOT happen in Germany, but it IS happening here.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad,,,,,I certainly hope you are correct. but I hope that we are both right.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Remember when Trump first got in and all we felt was dread and helplessness? Now, we all seem to recognize, as many others do, that…as Gandalf once said, “You shall not pass.”
AdLiban hour ago
The more strength there is in our local communities, the more resistance there is to his criminality.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad! That’s perfect!
choicelady
an hour ago
Didn’t Gandalf get pulled into a fiery abyss.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Let me give you one small story about early resistance to irrational policing. We had an ordinance against churches letting people sleep over who were homeless. So one smart pastor held an “all night prayer vigil”. And he said to the cops, well if people fall asleep in church, that’s been known to happen. And he got away with it.’
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Agreed! We need to stay strong as individuals and communities and weather the initial onslought of madness so we will still be standing to bring Trump down when a critical mass of the public demands it. He will be pulled down like that statue of Saddam in Iraq.
AdLiban hour ago
CL,,,luv that pastor.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
It’s not just Blue states. It’s everybody.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – Gandalf was pulled down by the demon but defeated him and re-emerged greater and more powerful.
AdLiban hour ago
CL – Very clever!
AdLiban hour ago
I can assure you that my Red State is having waves of anxiety.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – that was so perfect. And we often use that sort of dodge. I get away with housing people because in my front window is a sign, “Matthew 25 lives here.” Cops don’t care. I keep the peace. Whatever you do that doesn’t harm anyone, even the more rancid guys tend to look the other way if you’re polite and give off vibes about kindness.’
choicelady
an hour ago
Thinking about how RFKjr his knocking vacinations I was thinking about when I was back in grade school and the teacher told about one of classmates who had died from leukemia how sad I felt because he was a great guy. Today they have a cure for the leukemia he had because of the reseach that was done. The type of research RFK jr wants to stop. I’m glad his family has disowned him.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – Your and other Red States will soon be in financial desperation as all these billions of government dollars are pulled out from under them. Then what happens?
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – it will be the folks in your town and state who will be most harmed. They NEED to be anxious.
choicelady
an hour ago
Then, as Musk and Trump enrich themselves, OUR taxes are going up!
choicelady
an hour ago
We are seeing the financial impact of the Trump Mis-administration already and the nervous chatter is rising.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
When Trump is pulled down, Musk, RFK Jr., Rusky Gabbard, and the rest of the Rogues Gallery of Trump appointeeswill also be seen as evil and shunned by mainstream America. But they may be free to have a show on Fox News.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – that’s heartbreaking. A little girl near me died of leukemia. Now she would not. What the HELL is the matter with these people?
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – that’s pretty awful.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – Well they can yell into the abyss on FOX, but the abyss is yelling back already.
choicelady
44 minutes ago
All the Trump supports want is power, and to go back to what they thought were the good ole days
twilson117
44 minutes ago
Murph – But what the folks in MO may not realize is that this is only the tiny tip of a massive iceberg heading right into Red states to sink them and the financial security of their citizens. It’s coming, this is just the start.
AdLib44 minutes ago
TW – most of them never lived then. It was hardly easy times in the 1950s.
choicelady
43 minutes ago
CL I’m a product of the 50’s and you’re right it wasn’t easy
twilson117
43 minutes ago
I just came back from the “watering hole” I have mentioned before……and the mood was schizoid….1/3 of the crowd was furious with Zelensky, 1/3 was furious with Trump’s Gang, and 1/3 were shooting for more beer chasers.
MurphTheSurf3
42 minutes ago
TW – I was a kid and even I knew from TV what your community was experiencing. But what people forget is that working class white people were living pretty meager lives, too.
choicelady
42 minutes ago
Murph – it’s the 1/3 beer chasers who are in for the biggest shock.
choicelady
41 minutes ago
You know who else I think about? The millions of people of color who voted for Trump as he demonizes and attacks people of color and declares that theirlives and the histories of their people whould be buried. What are they thinking when they see the aggressive bigotry against people like them?
AdLib41 minutes ago
CL I grew up in a mixed neighborhood and you’re right meager lives
twilson117
40 minutes ago
All – does anyone know if the people dumped from air traffic control were people of color? At any rate, Musk is begging experienced controllers to come out of retirement. Another oopsie by him.
choicelady
40 minutes ago
Murph – But shouldn’t it be startling that 1/3 of them were furious with “their guy”? That is a huge percentage to turn against him. And this is just the beginning.
AdLib40 minutes ago
When I came back from my years in the UK….my family moved to SC. In the UK, a multi racial society had come t accepted (a positive outcome arising out of the fall of colonialism) but in SC…..the split society was painful.
MurphTheSurf3
39 minutes ago
CL – Isn’t the tech bros’ motto, move fast and break things? Musk is a moron and just using that destructive mentality, like a manic toddler breaking all his toys.
AdLib38 minutes ago
Murph – I lived in middle TN for a couple of years when Rev.Dr. King was murdered. I could NOT wrap my mind around the tail end of segregation. I was a substitute teacher in the schools and stopped being hired because I was nice to the few Black kids there. Teachers were appalled I didn’t just ignore them.
choicelady
38 minutes ago
CL…..WoW…..very powerful…..
MurphTheSurf3
37 minutes ago
Ad – he’s NOT a tech person but thinks he is. One guy on Twitter said, “I don’t know anything about cars so accepted he was a genius. Rockets? The same. But I AM a IT engineer and see what he’s doing to Twitter and now stay away from his cars and rockets.”
choicelady
36 minutes ago
I just go a note inviting me to a prayer service and planning meeting at the Ukrainian Church on Sunday.
MurphTheSurf3
36 minutes ago
Cl everytime we get students from the south they would be put back a grade
twilson117
36 minutes ago
CL – But isn’t it startling that some of their great grandchildren are embracing a bigot who is reinstituting segregation and bigotry?
AdLib36 minutes ago
Murph – that’s very great.
choicelady
36 minutes ago
Ad – have to say the people, mostly male, in the Black communities who voted Trump MUST have had a bug about voting for a woman.
choicelady
35 minutes ago
CL….I hope that I won’t be one of the very few who does not speak Ukrainian….
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
Murph – oh. That would make planning very difficult. Good luck!
choicelady
35 minutes ago
Ad that is a problem those who are doing that are living in a world of denial thinking they will be accepted I can talk about that all day long but I rather not.
twilson117
34 minutes ago
CL – Yes! I have said that many times, Musk has never invented a thing, he just bought the companies and people who did invent things and stole the credit for hoimself. He is just a wealthy, deranged narcissist and drug addict. Or wait, isn’t that Trump too?
AdLib34 minutes ago
CL……I think I will send a note asking if that might be an issue….I do not want to hold things up.
MurphTheSurf3
33 minutes ago
TW-haven’t seen that often, have seen it. Worked for a man who admired and patterned his life on that of Nixon. He was loathed by everyone – unified people across racial lines just by being an SOB. He was a Junior College president, and NOBODY liked him but his tiny inner circle, and nobody liked them either.
choicelady
33 minutes ago
Murph – that’s very wise.
choicelady
33 minutes ago
CL – I think you’re absolutely right, they were upset about a woman having power AND many of them got behind Trump because they thought his disgusting nature was really a “macho” thing of not caring what anyone thinks…when really, it’s the mark of a sociopath.
AdLib32 minutes ago
CL Sometimes my enthusiasm gets ahead of my good sense.
MurphTheSurf3
32 minutes ago
All – one of the reasons Musk wants to do away w the NIH is their study of abusive use of ketamine. It shrinks the gray matter – cognition – and produces weird tics and eye rolling, all of which we can see in him.
choicelady
32 minutes ago
Murph – well, you didn’t know. Maybe enough speak English to make it work. It’s fine. It’s also fine to ask.
choicelady
31 minutes ago
Isn’t Ketamine what that actor from Friends died of?
twilson117
31 minutes ago
Ad – I don’t know any Black men who would be that stupid, but there are always some.
choicelady
30 minutes ago
TW – yup. GOOOOOO ketamine!
choicelady
30 minutes ago
TW – Yes, that’s sadly true too, the idea that by jumping onto the side of bigots makes you one of those with power is a destructive delusion. Nothing more upsetting than watching people turn against others like themselves thinking they’re doing good for themselves.
AdLib29 minutes ago
TW – He had many drugs in his system including ketamine.
AdLib28 minutes ago
There is a thing – I’ve seen it in women – of resenting others like you doing well. “I’m the pathbreaker! I’m the one who can talk to the powerful!” If others do it, it lessens your uniqueness.
choicelady
28 minutes ago
Ad I’ve known people like that and that is all I will say about it, I believe you understand why.
twilson117
28 minutes ago
Message from “St. Mary’s Ukrainian Community”….. Murph, you are most welcome to join us. What matters most is what is in our hearts and not what is on our lips. We will be sure you are with a group that is thoroughly bilingual.
MurphTheSurf3
28 minutes ago
Ad – the medical examiner said Perry’s death WAS ketamine.
choicelady
27 minutes ago
Murph! That’s GREAT!!!
choicelady
27 minutes ago
Talking about Perry, did you see the story about the deaths of Gene Hackman and his wife…and dog? Sounds like a real mystery and possible murder.
AdLib26 minutes ago
Ad – they said Hackman’s death was carbon monoxide. Terrible thing, but appears to be an accident.
choicelady
26 minutes ago
I read that just before we got on.
choicelady
26 minutes ago
CL – “he cause of death for Gene Hackman and his wife, Betsy Arakawa, has not yet been determined, but their deaths are considered suspicious. Investigators are conducting a thorough investigation, including toxicology and carbon monoxide tests, as no obvious signs of injury or foul play have been found.”
AdLib25 minutes ago
Ad…..what my reading is leading me to believe is that one of Hackman’s tried to come to the rescuse of the other and in doing so fell into harms way. The animals followed.
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
Murph – A dog was locked in a closet and found dead while two other of his dogs were alive and found outside. Weird.
AdLib24 minutes ago
Yes – that was earlier today. Just before we all logged in, I read they’d confirmed CO. What was icky is that they’d been dead for around 9 days. I have the unfortunate experience of knowing what happens when you aren’t found promptly.
choicelady
24 minutes ago
You all caught me up.
MurphTheSurf3
23 minutes ago
It’s very weird.
choicelady
23 minutes ago
CL: “Gene Hackman, wife tested negative for carbon monoxide: sheriff”
AdLib23 minutes ago
That’s dead opposite of what I read. Damned media. Now it’s a real puzzle.
choicelady
22 minutes ago
If it wasn’t CO, then the questions abound!
choicelady
22 minutes ago
It’s really suspicious and just plain weird. If it was carbon monixide…why lock a dog in a closet when it would die in there?
AdLib21 minutes ago
CL I was just scanning an article and it too saying its still a mystery
twilson117
21 minutes ago
This is very confusing. Very sad, too.
choicelady
21 minutes ago
Dear friends – two live cats are reminding me I’m neglecting them. So off I go to do my duty. Talk to you next week!
choicelady
20 minutes ago
Very sad, I thought Hackman was a great actor, so many amazing and classic performances. To go out like this is awful.
AdLib20 minutes ago
CL take care
twilson117
20 minutes ago
Good night, and best wishes Sunday, Murph.
choicelady
20 minutes ago
CL – Maybe you should lock them in a closet?
AdLib20 minutes ago
Have a good weekend all!
choicelady
20 minutes ago
Ad – my two can pick the lock. I know who rules.
choicelady
20 minutes ago
Good night CL. Pet your cats for me. My dogs send their best “woofs!”
MurphTheSurf3
20 minutes ago
You too, CL!
AdLib20 minutes ago
Night!
choicelady
20 minutes ago
Just thought I would temper our conversation about the attempt to destroy our country with a quirky murder mystery.
AdLib18 minutes ago
Ad….nice try,,, 
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
Ad I’m going to knock off as well, been working on a piece I want see if I can wrap it up. Best to you and your daughter’s team will talk with you later.
twilson117
18 minutes ago
My wife is obsessed with this mystery and like me, wonders if someone was in there who tried to sideline the dog by locking it in a closet.
AdLib17 minutes ago
Take care TW…..
MurphTheSurf3
17 minutes ago
Sounds good, TW. Get some rest!
AdLib17 minutes ago
Take care
twilson117
17 minutes ago
So Ad…you and me
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
So Murph, do you think your MO Magas would vote against their reps once they really start suffering?
AdLib16 minutes ago
What do you think happened today at the WH? What is your take?
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
Ad,,,the Mo Mags seem to be incapable deeply rooted change as a result of wisdom defined experience.
MurphTheSurf3
15 minutes ago
I think Trump damaged and humiliated himself and Zelinsky’s refusal to bow down to him weakened Trump and set Zelinsky, very possibly, on a path to bonding with the EU and turning his back on trump.
AdLib14 minutes ago
And I think it increased the EU’s desire to pull away from Trump.
AdLib13 minutes ago
Do you think. the whole thing was a planned set up? Or was it spontaneous bullying? And or Or…what Zelensky playing them.
MurphTheSurf3
13 minutes ago
Murph – Then what will they do when they lose their famrs, jobs, ability to pay for what they need?
AdLib13 minutes ago
Ad,,,,easy answer….they will fall into line….and blam Dems, Lefties, LGBTQ’s, persons of color
MurphTheSurf3
11 minutes ago
It felt to me like Trump wanting an internationally publicized bending the knee by Zelinsky to the Great and Powerful Trump.And it horribly backfired. Now, the EU can’t possibly trust the lunatic Putin stooge they just saw make an utter fool out of himself.
AdLib11 minutes ago
Then Murph, all I can say is that they wholly deserve the suffering they’re going to go through.
AdLib10 minutes ago
It’s the “just desserts” of those who are filled more with hatred and prejudice than common sense and intelligence.
AdLib9 minutes ago
Ad….that is my general reading. …..Trump with his VP and Sec of State as his “boys” planned to crush Velensky…forcing him to bend the knee using a double-cross wherein that had even agreed to in general principles was going to be kicked away forcing Z to take what he could got…..and Z did not take the bait.
MurphTheSurf3
8 minutes ago
They show no compassion for people who are just like them but have different skin color or opinions, who do they think will care about them when they’re suffering.
AdLib8 minutes ago
Murph – I think that’s right on the money. And Zelensky walks away looking like he’s gained in stature and power by telling the president of the United States to get lost.
AdLib7 minutes ago
Well…..on those “good” thoughts it seems wise to head to bed……Zelensky gains stature (as notes for 100’s of European power players demonstrate and Trump looks like a Kremlin roadie.
MurphTheSurf3
6 minutes ago
I think we’ll see the rise of the EU as independent from the US and disinterested in aligning with Trump’s America. Making Trump even weaker. He even accused the EU of forming itself to “compete” with the US and they came back very upset at that accusation. But that’s what Trump fears, looking weaker than the EU, Zelensky, etc.
AdLib5 minutes ago
Heh! Indeed! Okay, night my friend, get some rest this weekend!
AdLib4 minutes ago
I agree with that insight and wish you a pleasant night.
MurphTheSurf3
4 minutes ago
Thanks my friend!
AdLib4 minutes ago
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