Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then!
AdLib4 hours ago
Hi glenn!
AdLib2 hours ago
Hi AD, Am I the first one here? How are you doing?
glenn
2 hours ago
Quite an eventful week in the news.
AdLib2 hours ago
You are indeed the first, you get your pick of all the appetizers!
AdLib2 hours ago
I’m doing very well. How are you doing?
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey TW!
AdLib2 hours ago
Good evening everyone.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Glenn how are you
twilson117
2 hours ago
Yeah no kidding. Go stormy! I don’t know whether she shredded the defense attorney or not but she certainly held her own. And now I don’t have to call the treasonous lying bully the TLB anymore. Now I can call in the orange turd. Or Captain von shitzinpants.
glenn
2 hours ago
CL is in the House!!!
twilson117
2 hours ago
Hi – glenn!!! TW and AD!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Lovely to see you all.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Good to see you
twilson117
2 hours ago
Oh goody! Can I have some artichoke and spinach dip? I’m doing OK.
glenn
2 hours ago
Hey CL!
AdLib2 hours ago
TW I’m doing OK thanks for asking.
glenn
2 hours ago
Sorry I spend by you a week plus ago. It was a dash to do what I needed, and a dash back
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – How are you doing?
AdLib2 hours ago
glenn – you may have ANYTHING you wish.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL so good to see you! How are you doing?
glenn
2 hours ago
Ad – I came home with a nasty cold, but otherwise pretty OK
choicelady
2 hours ago
Thanks CL. Maybe I’ll have some wings too.
glenn
2 hours ago
glenn – I’m all right. My ex husband died in October, and I just got back from his memorial and scattering his ashes. Other than all the emotions around that, I’m find. How are you?
choicelady
2 hours ago
glenn – Stormy was fantastic and really got the best of Trump’s lawyer. They tried to wreck her by slamming her for working in porn but I would think the jury ended up giving her much respect and credibility after she spun that lawyer dizzy.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL hope you’re not sniffling too much. Nothing worse than a summertime cold. I know it’s not summer time yet but it’s warm here
glenn
2 hours ago
So what does everyone think of the trial?
twilson117
2 hours ago
glenn – Wings are good. I was just near the Buffalo Anchor Bar. I’d have picked up some for you.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – I think Trump is toast.
choicelady
2 hours ago
glenn – Here ya go! Extra chips too!
AdLib2 hours ago
glenn – started as a chest cold, worked its way up. I’m better now.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Yes he has been buttered on both sides.
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL I can imagine how your emotions were all over the place. I think you are a very strong woman to be able to deal with all of that.
glenn
2 hours ago
CL – Sorry of course about all you’ve been through the last two weeks and now this cold. It’s Spring, that cold had no business being out!
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – A few years ago after the big revelation about Stormy, she was here at Gold’s Men’s Club. The HUGE turn out by WOMEN nearly gave the guys heart attacks. i didn’t get there, but it was packed with women there in support of her.
choicelady
2 hours ago
AD yeah stormy was fantastic. I think the lawyer thought that she was going to get the best of her because after all she’s just a porn star. But I think stormy smarter than all of them put together.
glenn
2 hours ago
CL the weather here in the northeast is a bit chiller than what you’ve become used in sunny Cal. 
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL that’s interesting. Glad to see women are supporting her.
glenn
2 hours ago
Thanks all – it was a good/bad trip in emotions, but Greg was with me for most of it, and he got to see more of where I’d been, what I’d done before we met. The spot where I scattered Tom’s ashes was lovely. I have good feelings about it all.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Yep! I think Cohen will hammer the last nail in his conviction beginning Monday and after he’s convicted and his invitation to bribery from oil execs and his growing insanity, I think the Trump Train derails into a very deep canyon by Nov.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – since I had lived in MA and RI for several years, I came prepared. Was NOT prepared for the 80s in Ohio I returned to for three days!
choicelady
2 hours ago
glenn – Agreed about how strong CL is but you’re a member of that club too.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – from your lips to God’s ear – that’s EXACTLY what I want to have happen to the Orange Turd.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad – glenn IS a member of the Strong but Incredibly Nice Women’s Guild.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL your husband sounds like a great guy. Not too many guys would go back with their wives to support Her in honoring her ex-husband. Hang onto him!
glenn
2 hours ago
CL you know well how the weather changes here in the Northeast so it’s good you were prepared for it. If I recall there were a few rainy days when you were here.
twilson117
2 hours ago
glenn – I do love him, Glenn, and he was a brick. Among many other things, he kept me from falling into the mill pond where I scattered the ashes and nearly fell in.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – That’s a great story about Stormy. I’ve followed her on Twitter and have regularly been impressed with her wit and parrying the MAGA monsters who come at her. Due to that, I wasn’t surprised she got the best of a seasoned lawyer who made the mistake of going after her.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – It wasn’t too bad there, but on my way back from Buffalo after dropping Greg off at the plane, I ran into a downpour in Erie PA that would have given Noah pause.
choicelady
2 hours ago
AD I know they’re right wingers but some of them are saying that the prosecution really doesn’t have a case. Or if they do they can’t prove it. What do you think of all that? I love your scenario. Let’s bury the orange turd before November.
glenn
2 hours ago
glenn – So true, it felt like Trump’s lawyer had that entitled mentality, “She’s just a stupid, sleazy porn star, I can trash her without breaking a sweat.” Stormy then proceeded to dump her in a garbage can.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL yeah we’ve had some of those, but today was a nice day.
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL – That’s wonderful to hear that Hubby helped make it a positive experience. Really happy about that.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – lovely to know you had good weather.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Thank you AD and CL For the compliment. You can’t see me blushing
glenn
2 hours ago
CL yeah I should get out and enjoy. 
twilson117
2 hours ago
It was a good experience. North Andover at an old mill then a little bit of the ashes to Demarest Lloyd Beach in SE MA. Good trip overall.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad I see we have the emojis back.
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL you covered a big portion of MA too bad we couldn’t meet but you were on a tight schedule.
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL— Lol! I think we have a lot more in common than we know. You sound like somewhat of a klutz. Not trying to insult you just trying to tell you that I am the same way.
glenn
2 hours ago
TW – if Greg didn’t have such a tight schedule to fly home so he could repack and fly to San Diego, we would have taken the time. Next year we hope to amble through NE and see you.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Consider that over 20% of Republicans voted for Nikki Haley in a primary this week. Over 20% voted against Trump for a candidate who stopped running. I have never seen such a large percentage of a Repub or Dem primary use their vote to declare they won’t support the clear nominee. No way he can win losing even 10% of Repub voters, even not getting 5% would make him a loser. Then add on a criminal conviction which I think is coming, he will be Dead Orange Turd Walking.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL well when you get close to coming out next year let me know.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Glenn – not denying that! I should have sat on the little bank but tried to stand and slid. He grabbed me, helped me back up. The Pond isn’t deep, but it is mucky. Glad i didn’t fall in!
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – will do!
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – An embarrassment of riches, having such wonderful and strong people on The Planet.
AdLib2 hours ago
AD— oh I like that. Dead orange turd walking.
glenn
2 hours ago
Ad – I’m not sure I can shake that image: “Dead Orange Turd Walking”. Yuck.
choicelady
2 hours ago
So for me, next trip is family reunion in L.A. then a day in SF with Ad and PPO. Nice to contemplate!
choicelady
an hour ago
CL— yeah I’m glad you didn’t fall in either. I fallen once or twice into a Mucky pond and it’s not very pleasant. I was a lot younger than so I could shake it off.
glenn
an hour ago
Anyone wants to join us in July w PPO? We’re here for it.
choicelady
an hour ago
Trump asking all the Oil big whigs for a billion bucks for his campaign and he will gut all of Bidens programs.
twilson117
an hour ago
glenn – yuck! Glad I didn’t. Nasty!
choicelady
an hour ago
glenn – I’ve seen a majority of pundits really complimenting Bragg’s team of prosecutors for presenting and building a verystrong case and reinforcing ahead of time what Michael Cohen will be testifying to. Cohen is the key, he will testify that Trump said all he did to commit the crime, The prosecutors have been brilliant in using very credible sources to backup everything Cohen will say aside from Trump’s conversations with him, which will fit perfectly into everything else.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – the man I think just proposed a quid pro quo demand that is illegal. NOT that we need ANOTHER trial, but he just never quits, does he?
choicelady
an hour ago
AD— Yeah isn’t that amazing? People voting for someone who isn’t even running any more. And 20%! That’s a lot of folks.
glenn
an hour ago
CL Granddaughter will be her Jun and July and I will be broke onces she leaves. 
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – You’re right about the emojis returning from Capistrano. Nothing I did, it’s our chat app people fixing it. Thank you Chat Gods!
AdLiban hour ago
CL sounds like you have some lovely times in front of you.
glenn
an hour ago
TW – that’s grandkids for you. Eat you out of house and home among other expenses!
choicelady
an hour ago
glenn – we do, and I wish you could join us for the July visit w PPO.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – how nice the Chat Gods got the emojis back!
choicelady
an hour ago
CL well she the on grandchild and of course she’s supposed be spoiled.
twilson117
an hour ago
glen and all – “orange turd” was Stormy’s insult for Trump, replying to an attack on Twitter saying she was being flushed down the toilet, not my phrase, just sayin’.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – well, of course!
choicelady
an hour ago
Twitter has been making up Daniels’ sayings: It was the worst 90 seconds of my life. And so on…
choicelady
an hour ago
CL— ain’t that the truth? The did orange turd walking just can’t help himself.
glenn
an hour ago
glenn – nope. Lies are all he knows.
choicelady
an hour ago
That’s dead orange turd walking. I’m using voice to text so it doesn’t always get it right.
glenn
an hour ago
glenn – the meaning was clear even if the words weren’t.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – Thanks to this corrupt SCOTUS which was protecting their own bribing, it’s not prosecutable for Trump to offer to sell the presidency for a billion to the oil industry. Congress needs to make more stringent corruption and bribery laws, this is ridiculous that a candidate can openly ask for bribes and offer quid pro quos.
AdLiban hour ago
TW— you may be broke when she leaves but I bet you’ll be a happy and proud grandpa too.
glenn
an hour ago
glenn – i agree that TW will have a very find time!
choicelady
an hour ago
So…softball update. My daughter’s team is undefeated in NCAA Regionals and plays tomorrow for the Championship! Send your good vibes to her and her team!
AdLiban hour ago
fine time.
choicelady
an hour ago
Glenn yes I will. She’s doing good in school so there is that.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – OMG absolutely! I am SO happy for her!
choicelady
an hour ago
CL— there is nothing I would like better than to join you all in California. But I can’t be away from dialysis that long. I will be with you all in spirit though.p
glenn
an hour ago
glenn – maybe we will find a way to come there sometime soon. EVEN in FL. You are worth it.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad you have mine
twilson117
an hour ago
glenn – AmI wrong or is the only reason Repubs voted for Haley knowing that she isn’t running anymore and can’t win, is a statement that they won’t vote for Trump in Nov?
AdLiban hour ago
AD— sending all the good vibes I can muster.
glenn
an hour ago
Ad – where are they playing tomorrow?
choicelady
an hour ago
CL— Wow that’s a sacrifice for you all to come to Florida. It would be amazing though.
glenn
an hour ago
Ad I suppose we can say there are some Repubs who have a conscience and know what four more years of Trump will be. The country will broke as hell and he will be saying the economy is just fine.
twilson117
an hour ago
And another funny thing, Trump and Repubs have been promoting RFK Jr. (and the worm in his head) thinking that he would pull votes from Biden. Their pollsters must have told Trump in a panic that he’s drawing votes more from Trump so now, after applauding and promoting him, Trump is attacking RFK Jr, claiming he’s not really anti-vax!
AdLiban hour ago
glenn – years ago a small group of anti hate crimes advocates used to propose buying a motor home and tracking baddies. “Road Trip” was our operative slogan. Well, let’s think about doing that for FUN now?
choicelady
an hour ago
AD— no I think you’re absolutely right. I think those people voted for Hailey because they wanted nothing to do with Trump. According to some of the articles I’ve read that reporters did exit interviews that’s exactly what they said. I’m wondering now if Trump gets convicted will the republican party keep him as their nominee? When is the Republican convention? Do all the delegates that he supposedly won in the primaries have to vote for him? After all the elections could’ve been rigged.
glenn
an hour ago
TW’s granddaughter is amazing, she loves books and reading!
AdLiban hour ago
CL— There you go. A planet road trip
glenn
an hour ago
TW – your granddaughter sounds perfect.’
choicelady
an hour ago
glenn – we shall think upon it. Why not?\
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – They’re playing in Bellingham, WA (where I am right now). Beautiful up here!
AdLiban hour ago
20 minutes from Vancouver in Canada.
AdLiban hour ago
That is lovely. I have spent much time there and love it a lot.
choicelady
an hour ago
Appreicate all your kind words about my Granddaughter.
twilson117
an hour ago
glenn – If my daughter’s team makes it as far as Nationals, they’re in FL so if they’re not far away, maybe I could see you then!
AdLiban hour ago
TW— you’re absolutely right. If that dead orange turd walking gets in Office again we will probably be living in an upside down world. Megas don’t seem to have any sense of reality lately.
glenn
an hour ago
Ad and glenn – that would be boffo!!! You could meet!
choicelady
an hour ago
AD— That would be wonderful. You’re welcome anytime.
glenn
an hour ago
Glenn which is why it’s crazy that people what him back in office.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – Agreed, I think many Repubs are just exhausted and fed up with Trump madness. If even 5% of Repubs don’t vote for Trump, it will be a landslide for Biden.
AdLiban hour ago
All – when the MAGAts say, “Are you better off than four years ago?” the answer is HELL YES! How could they forget?
choicelady
an hour ago
TW— I know I will never understand it. Never ever ever ever. And now it’s even worse than ever. He lies at every turn, falls asleep in court, and I guess shit his pants. Unbelievable that somebody that wealthy or supposedly that wealthy, doesn’t do something to fix that. Or maybe he just doesn’t care. I don’t care do u?
glenn
an hour ago
Ad did you see the article about the Repug rep who wants to impeach him for holding up arms for Israel? What makes it laughable is Regan did the same thing when he was in office for essentially the same reasons.
twilson117
an hour ago
Greg and I have family who have been and remain registered GOP precisely to vote AGAINST Trump. SIL stood in the rain for 6 hours as a DC delegate to vote AGAINST him in 2016. The people such as our in laws are growing exponentially.
choicelady
an hour ago
Glenn it is indeed baffaling.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – They would have drawn and quartered that old Reagan. But the guy who wants to impeach him voted AGAINST the funds for Israel. Make it make sense.
choicelady
an hour ago
glenn – Very interesting area to explore. My thought is that if Trump is convicted, if polls reflect what polling has already shown, that 60% of voters won’t vote for him if he’s a convicted criminal, I think the GOP will tear itself apart. They may try to replace Trump but Trump will rally his MAGAs against them and threaten to take them with him if they don’t make him the nominee…and MAGAs represent the majority of Repubs. TW and I have discussed this possibility, I would love to see it come to fruition. We need Trump and the current GOP crushed.
AdLiban hour ago
Cl it is becoming Barzzro world for sure.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL— That’s good to hear that people like your in-laws are expanding. It just fries me that the media never focuses on people like your in-laws.
glenn
an hour ago
TW – Gop disintegrating, Dems in array. Could not be happier.
choicelady
an hour ago
The thing is, FL is a big state so no idea right now where Nationals will be and no guarantee yet that her team will make it there. But hopefully, yes to all the above!
AdLiban hour ago
BIL worked for DOJ, SIL for a major law firm. Both are pro immigrant and pro BLM. REPUBLICANS!!!
choicelady
an hour ago
glenn – I think that based on Dems overperforming in all elections over the past 8 years, the polls showing Trump competitive are just as flawed as they’ve been all these years, maybe more so. Add in the assault on women’s rights to Trump being an adjudicated rapist, committing financial fraud, selling the WH to oil companies and threatening to be a dictator. Nope, I don’t believe this race is or will be close.
AdLiban hour ago
AD— yes. As the old saying goes, we live in some interesting times. It’s going to be interesting to see the GOP tear themselves apart. Because they’re almost going to have to have all kinds of fights if Dead orange turd walking is the nominee. And yet if they try to nominate someone else they have to tear themselves apart to do that too. As I said interesting times.
glenn
an hour ago
Folks – I love you all, but the remnants of this awful cold are visiting me. Hacking my lungs out. So I’m going to cut this short and hope I’m bright-eyed and bushy-tailed next week. I need cough syrup and a lie down. Take care of yourselves. I think the good guys are winning, but we must keep on keeping on. Hugs to all. Be well, glenn! You and Ad may have a date! Bye!’
choicelady
an hour ago
Take care of yourself CL. I hope to see you next week
glenn
an hour ago
CL take of yourself get some rest.
twilson117
an hour ago
And did you hear about that twit Britt (who gave the Repub Stepford Wife response to Biden’s SOTU? She just announced she’s introduced a bill in the Senate TO REGISTER ALL PREGNANT WOMEN IN THE U.S.! This is literally the plot of Handmaid’s Tale!
AdLiban hour ago
Tell me women aren’t going to kick the GOP off of the planet.
AdLiban hour ago
AD— I live in the West Palm Beach area in a little town called Lantana Beach. So if you’re anywhere near West Palm we might be able to get together. I would really enjoy that
glenn
an hour ago
Ad you have to be kidding me for real????
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – Yep, I saw that lame attempt to impeach Biden for saying Israel can’t use US weapons to violate international law. Uh…what’s the high crime or misdemeanor? These Repub morons are as stupid as they are desperate to please Trump who no doubt keeps telling them to impeach Biden one way or the other.
AdLiban hour ago
AD— Once again I hope your predictions are correct. I just can’t believe the race is that close. It just doesn’t make any sense.
glenn
an hour ago
“Sen. Katie Britt Introduces Bill to Create Federal Database of Pregnant People”
AdLiban hour ago
AD— You have to be kidding! She really did introduce a bill like that? Are you sure you didn’t read it in the onion?
glenn
an hour ago
Ad I think Murph is knocking at the door.
twilson117
an hour ago
I am here at long last.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
glenn – That sounds great! Hopefully they make it to Nationals and hopefully it’s near Lantana!
AdLiban hour ago
Hey Murph!
AdLiban hour ago
AD— are usually don’t cuss this badly but that’s just Unfucking unbelievable.
glenn
an hour ago
Murph is in the house.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph! Glad to see you!
glenn
an hour ago
glenn – Here’s the story in Salon too: “Katie Britt is back at it, pushing a bill to launch a pregnancy tracking federal database “
AdLiban hour ago
Sorry to be so late but I would stop by and say “howdy”
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad that is just plain stupid beyond belief. Just damn stupid.
twilson117
an hour ago
Hey Murph!Glad you made it! You missed CL.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph— how was your camping with Kunce going?
glenn
an hour ago
Murph better late than never as the saying goes.
twilson117
an hour ago
Campaign with Kunce
glenn
an hour ago
Glenn, we are slogging away and the race is likely close but the odds are not on our side….
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
My predictions have a pretty good track record. I think Biden wins by at least 3% but 5% is definitely possible which would be huge for a presidential election.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph— When is the election? Are you working on this for the November election? Do you think that if Trump gets convicted it will change any Republicans minds about voting for Republicans?
glenn
an hour ago
Murph – Does the abortion proposition figure into your calculations in Kunce getting a bigger turnout in MO?
AdLiban hour ago
Where’d Murph go?
AdLiban hour ago
AD— boy that would be great! I would love to see him defeat him by even more. 50% would be nice. LOL
glenn
an hour ago
Murph is back, \
twilson117
an hour ago
He Murph where did you go?
twilson117
an hour ago
glenn – Indeed but a bigger percentage win for Biden could mean Dems keep The Senate and take The House. We need that very badly.
AdLiban hour ago
I got bounced off…
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
November is our Election Day as well.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – You sure you didn’t login to a bounce house?
AdLiban hour ago
Well gents. I hate to do this when Murph just got here. But I’ve got to go I can’t keep my eyes open any longer. Take care everyone. Happy Mother’s Day to your wives if you have them.
glenn
an hour ago
Murph your guy is up against Hawley right? Is McCaskill supporting him
twilson117
an hour ago
Ok….annoying…..
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Glenn take care see you next week.
twilson117
an hour ago
Just got a news alert from the NYT that Clarence Thomas is decrying the “nastiness” against him, meaning the news that he has sold himself out. What a fellow turd.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad truth will hurt
twilson117
an hour ago
TW…correct Horror Hawley is the incumbent. McCasskill has endorse but efforts in re. to the campaign have been lackluster.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – But I was asking if the abortion-rights prop in MO will help women turnout more and favor Kunce?
AdLiban hour ago
Thomas is a crybaby…he has done similar whining in the past.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph is that because folks don’t start taking things serious until after the summer?
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – So true, what’s the saying? A hit dog howls? Thomas has been nailed for being a crooked and corrupt sellout so of course he’s “howling”.
AdLiban hour ago
TW……there is a presumption here that GOP are bound win..given the state has turned redder and redder….there is support for that notion.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad….abortion rights is talked about but in whispers.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW…summer will bring a sense of urgency with it.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph as we’ve discussed people just refuse to recognize that losing democracy in favor of autocracy will not be a pleasant experience.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – There is a phenomena, especially in red states, where women keep their intention to vote against Republicans to themselves so polling is inaccurate. Look at all the red states that have approved abortion rights propositions. With a Senate and presidential race coinciding, who knows?
AdLiban hour ago
TW- so many assume that because they are that side of the street that they will be victimized every bit as badly as those opposed.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad…we are counting on that being the case here…..that support for Kunce is greater than the numbers show.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I am growing more confident that we will break the back of Trumpist Authoritarianism in Nov. Trump has become so loud about it, MAGAs and Repubs even in Congress feel so bold about announcing it in public, I think they’ve gone so far out that many Repub voters are recoiling and whether not voting or voting Dem, will abandon them in a shocking way.
AdLib44 minutes ago
Ad…again I endorse your prophecy…..
MurphTheSurf3
43 minutes ago
Murph – I think it probably is. Many in Red States who aren’t voting Repub this year are keeping their heads down, not telling pollsters, and will just vote in secret against Trump and the GOP.
AdLib43 minutes ago
What scares me is how many rational, responsible people I know who are pretty bright have fallen for the line “Trump has his problems but Biden is far worse…old and weak.”
MurphTheSurf3
42 minutes ago
Murph I was just wondering, what is the mood of the younger generation in your state?
twilson117
42 minutes ago
Murph Biden is old and weak??? Well he may be old, but weak not as much as Trump is.
twilson117
41 minutes ago
TW…the young here are not energized at any level…..the disconnect between young people and the reality of lived civics is very significant. Knowledge of history, of law, of government is both shallow and tainted.
MurphTheSurf3
40 minutes ago
Murph – I don’t know, that’s just the same reverse justification we’ve always seen from people who are tribal yet try to justify their lack of reasoning. They start from the conclusion they want then just backfill justifications, as weak as they may be. These are “follower” types, they don’t decide anything, decisions are poured into them by Fox, Trump, etc and they try to act like they have reasons which they don’t.
AdLib40 minutes ago
People do see what they want to see…..so what is clear to folks like us is clearly false to them.
MurphTheSurf3
39 minutes ago
Ad…good summary.
MurphTheSurf3
39 minutes ago
Murph what’s the unemployement rate in your state?
twilson117
39 minutes ago
Murph – By definition, anyone trying to argue that a dictatorship under a rapist, racist, convicted criminal is better than a”weak” Biden who simutaneously is accused of controlling the entire nation’s judicial and prosecutorial system, is not rational or reasonable.
AdLib38 minutes ago
What is interesting here is the lack of public support In the flying of his banners, attendance at events, and willingness to volunteer.
MurphTheSurf3
38 minutes ago
Murph also what are the job opportunities for those who will graduateing from college soon?
twilson117
38 minutes ago
TW….3.3 percent.
MurphTheSurf3
37 minutes ago
Murp unemployment 3.3% that’s lower than then national rate.
twilson117
36 minutes ago
TW…as the percentage shows there are plenty of jobs but credit for that Is given to Trump support for big business. IE….the tax breaks.
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
TW…correct.
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
Murph – Some bullet points: Trump’s rallies are fewer and at smaller venues than in 2016 or 2020. Trump owes over half a billion in judgements and his company’s finances are managed by the state court so he has little cash. 20% of Repubs just voted in a GOP primary for Nikki Haley to show they won’t vote for Trump. Trump is looking like a beaten dog and his reputation as a tough guy is being trashed in the current criminal trial. 60% of Americans said they won’t vote for Trump if he’s convicted. Dems have overperformed in ALL elections since 2016. None of this points to a Trump win in Nov.
AdLib35 minutes ago
Murph a relatively high numver of College Grads?
twilson117
34 minutes ago
Ad….as always your ability to capture essential truth is admirable.
MurphTheSurf3
33 minutes ago
Murph – Again, I think that is the result of people choosing an outcome first then trying to justify it. They must be able to say Trump was the best president and the best candidate so they start from there then give credit to Trump for Biden’s achievements like the low unemployment rate and the stock market records and they try to pile the blame for Trump failures on Biden, including trying to blame him for COVID quarrantines…even though that was under Trump.
AdLib31 minutes ago
TW…..I suspect the number of students going into higher ed is not esp. high except the direct career tracks which the community colleges handle well.
MurphTheSurf3
31 minutes ago
Ad…all true…..the blinders are very tightly in place.
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
Murph – I don’t think college enrollment has fully recovered from the COVID dip but its at least nearing that.
AdLib30 minutes ago
Ad a 2 year degree is a good thing to have especially if it will get your a job and it usually does. In reality most jobs requiring a 4 year degree don’t really need it.
twilson117
30 minutes ago
TW – Yes, the truth is that a 4 year degree isn’t actually a guarantee that a particular person is smarter or will be more adept at a particular job, it’s a lazy filter than businesses use.
AdLib29 minutes ago
Murph year 2 degree is a good thing to have especially if it will get your a job and it usually does. In reality most jobs requiring a 4 year degree don’t really need it.
twilson117
29 minutes ago
Ad…the most significant problem with college admission here is how much attending costs and how much debt students carry into their working lives…huge and overwhelming….I know a college recruiter who says that there is plummeting confidence in how worthwhile it is to go the college.
MurphTheSurf3
28 minutes ago
And the flip side is that not having a 4 year degree will prevent young people from getting hired for many white collar jobs. So while it’s a very flawed requirement, someone could get a 4 year degree and barely avoid failing whie a bright kid could get a 2 year degree and be valedictorian.
AdLib27 minutes ago
TW…your point re. the “need” to have a 4 year degrees accurate…awareness re.that is growing.
MurphTheSurf3
27 minutes ago
Murph – What you say is true but with qualifications. Biden’s new SAVE program makes the amount of student debt irrelevant. The amount a student pays is limited to 10% of their discretionary income and after 20 years, all debt is dissolved. No matter how much debt there is. Biden has figured out a solution and it’s available right now.
AdLib25 minutes ago
Do either of you have any thoughts re. the Trump Campaign Plan tour do less “get out the vote” and more “blocking illegal voters
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
Murph from my viewpoint the only illegal voters are the Trump voters.
twilson117
24 minutes ago
Ad…..and that solution is unknown to most…….including those promoting college admissions.
MurphTheSurf3
24 minutes ago
Meanwhile, Ivy League schools’ “sticker price” is now over $90k a year, $360k for 4 years. That is insane. Of course, few students pay the full price but even half that amount is ridiculously high.
AdLib24 minutes ago
Ad…and why is that the price tag?
MurphTheSurf3
23 minutes ago
Murph – I’m only a dad with a college student, why do I know about it and a college recruiter doesn’t? He/she really should be aware of this very important development. BTW, under the plan, if you don’t make over a certain amount per month, you don’t have to pay anything.
AdLib22 minutes ago
Even if you owe $360k.
AdLib21 minutes ago
Ad as we’ve discussed that is unwarrented. There isn’t any real reason college tution should be that high.
twilson117
21 minutes ago
Ad……it may well be that the recruiters know that providing that info will be seen as standing against the GOP
MurphTheSurf3
21 minutes ago
Murph – Because they raise full tuition every year and now it has topped $90k.
AdLib21 minutes ago
Again, any reaction to the “leaner” GOP plan for the next election.
MurphTheSurf3
20 minutes ago
Ad the tution at Clark University is $57,440 per year.
twilson117
19 minutes ago
Murph -That may be the case but it’s a bit crazy, don’t you think? Not offering a student critical information they need to decide on which school they’ll go to? Sorry, don’t mean to be criticizing this person but if they’re so worried about the politics of helping students avoid crushing debt, maybe they should rethink what they’re doing.
AdLib19 minutes ago
Murph leaner GOP plan?? Frump is going on a diet??
twilson117
18 minutes ago
Ad…..all of life is tainted by politics.
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
Murph – Just heard about that new directive from Trump and it seems very obvious what the scheme really is. Change the RNC strategy from spending money on GOTV so Trump can siphon it off for his legal bills and instead have the GOP find volunteers to act as a Trump army to bring chaos to election day. But it’s a massive mistake, Biden is financing operations in most states to GOTV. Another reason I think Trump goes down in flames.
AdLib17 minutes ago
TW….apparently there will be few campaign offices, few employees, and fewer resources for local campaigns. Trump has told the RNC that he will drive the voters turnout and all they need concern themselves with is taking on illegal voting.
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
Murph – But I think there’s no excuse for someone “malpracticing” in their career because of political concerns, can’t just write that off to politics.
AdLib16 minutes ago
If I were a Trump Leader, the lack of response to calls from Trump and his designates to come to events, protest, and harass …tepid.
MurphTheSurf3
15 minutes ago
Ad Trump sees the RNC as his perpetual piggy bank. He will suck it dry and blame them for any reason he wants when he loses the election never mind they won’t have any money to do anything.
twilson117
14 minutes ago
Murph – But you see the lie in that Trump claim. He is not the vehicle to motivate non-MAGAs to vote for him, he only chases after MAGAs with his outrageous speeches and tyrannical vows. Trump needs indie voters and yet he needs to spew MAGA hatred. I think it’s just a ploy for Trump to raid the RNC treasury then hope he can whip up MAGAs to help him overthrow the election when he loses.
AdLib13 minutes ago
My goodness….10:40….This is fun and valuable but I need to get these weary bones to bed.
MurphTheSurf3
13 minutes ago
Hey Murph good to see you here again as always.
twilson117
12 minutes ago
Ad….your read on the Trump strategy seems sound to me.
MurphTheSurf3
12 minutes ago
Murph – Adding to my bullet points, Trump called on his MAGAs to turn out across the country and at the NY courthouse when the trial started. They never came out, aside from a handful of miscreant MAGAs. There was one outside the courtroom today. One. That ain’t a loyal cult following willing to do anything for their leader.
AdLib12 minutes ago
Take gentlemen! Hah….a word rarely used these days.
MurphTheSurf3
12 minutes ago
Ad…good examples that Trump may be a paper tiger.
MurphTheSurf3
11 minutes ago
Glad you made it and stayed up, Murph. TW is staying up even later his time but he is a superhero whose power is not needing lots of sleep.
AdLib11 minutes ago
We’re going to crush Trump in Nov. Watch what happens.
AdLib10 minutes ago
TW…..Wide Awake Man!
MurphTheSurf3
10 minutes ago
Captain Caffinated!
AdLib10 minutes ago
Oh, Ad I do hope you are so, so, so, right.
MurphTheSurf3
10 minutes ago
Ad I don’t know about super power, just an internal act of rebellion for having to good to bed early as a child.
twilson117
10 minutes ago
TW…great response but I still like Captain Caffeinated!
MurphTheSurf3
9 minutes ago
Murph – You know I have a pretty good batting average at predictions (because they’re based on data of course).
AdLib9 minutes ago
Murph I sort like as well, considering how much coffee I do drink.
twilson117
9 minutes ago
Ad, I do…and I accept that my perspective is shaped by the sad bent that life has taken here.
MurphTheSurf3
9 minutes ago
Or shorter, Captain Caffein?
AdLib8 minutes ago
with those good works…good night
MurphTheSurf3
8 minutes ago
Murph take care
twilson117
8 minutes ago
You too TW
MurphTheSurf3
8 minutes ago
Murph – I would have used a laughing icon because that was a good line but I didn’t want you to think I was laughing at the situation.
AdLib8 minutes ago
Sleep well Murph! Let’s get Kunce elected!
AdLib7 minutes ago
Ad, very genteel of you.
MurphTheSurf3
7 minutes ago
Good closing words. I have a day of Kunce activity set for tomorrow.
MurphTheSurf3
7 minutes ago
Murph, never trust an emoji is my policy.
AdLib7 minutes ago
Excellent! Get some rest and keep working for a Kunce win!
AdLib6 minutes ago
Add….wink, wink.
MurphTheSurf3
6 minutes ago
AdLib6 minutes ago
So what do you think, TW?
AdLib5 minutes ago
Good convesation. Can I give you a call?
twilson117
4 minutes ago
Absolutely!
AdLib4 minutes ago
Give me a minute.
twilson117
4 minutes ago
AdLib4 minutes ago
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