Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then!
AdLib3 hours ago
Don’t forget when you arrive to say, “Hi!” or “Jail to the Thief”.
AdLib3 hours ago
Hey glenn! Wonderful to see you! How are you doing on Day After Trump Indictment day?
AdLib2 hours ago
Jail to the thief! Oh happy day! I hope this is just the first of many more indictments to come.
glenn
2 hours ago
I’m sure it is. I think the GA indictments of Trump will come this month.
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey TW!
AdLib2 hours ago
AD, it’s also the day after my daughters successful hip surgery and my son-in-law’s birthday. So all that happened yesterday. And I hope you’re right about the Georgia indictments.
glenn
2 hours ago
Hey Ad Glenn,
twilson117
2 hours ago
Hey TW. How are you doing today?
glenn
2 hours ago
Very busy day for you, glenn. How is your daughter feeling?
AdLib2 hours ago
All I can say is here comes the judge, he comes the judge. 
twilson117
2 hours ago
AD, she has a little pain in her thigh from where they put the pin in to hold the hip in but she’s hanging in there. She’s a real trooper.
glenn
2 hours ago
Watch this:
AdLib2 hours ago
TW, I hope it’s many of here come the judge here come the judge.
glenn
2 hours ago
Jail the crook, liar, wife cheater, thief, crook, insurrectionist, liar, dog beater if he had a dog.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Here, embedding it:
AdLib2 hours ago
AD, that video is great!
glenn
2 hours ago
Nope..oh well…I tried.
AdLib2 hours ago
Glenn I’m with you on that.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW, if he had a dog the dog would beat him.
glenn
2 hours ago
So where is Melania?
glenn
2 hours ago
The claims of Repubs and Lindsey’s crying is kind of funny but so lame. All the attacks echoing Trump when the charges haven’t even been made public. This act will stretch very thin as the other indictments pile on.
AdLib2 hours ago
Glenn I see where Disney has gotten the last laugh on DeSantis
twilson117
2 hours ago
AD, oh those poor poor poor Republicans who are just so persecuted. Yes it’s going to get very thin. And the only people who think Trump is being persecuted are magats.
glenn
2 hours ago
I’m guessing Melania is in the process of fueling up her own private jet ready to take Baron to her home country and leave Trump for far young man. 
twilson117
2 hours ago
I think by Summer, Trump will have GA and the DoJ’s documents case indicting him as well. And the GA indictments will include conspiracy and possibly RICO charges. ALl of this won’t be so easily wished away by the MAGA Repubs in Congress.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW, yeah that was really funny. Disney’s lawyers are smart unlike the legislature is that we have in the Florida legislature
glenn
2 hours ago
TW – I love how Disney pulled the rug out from under DeSantis and his corrupt board. They are crying too, very funny.
AdLib2 hours ago
Glenn I like the part where they goes on until the last relative of King Charles the III dies that was genius.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW if Melania leaves then how is she going to collect her money?
glenn
2 hours ago
TW, yeah that was pure genius wasn’t it?
glenn
2 hours ago
Glenn I’m in the camp she has her own bank account.
twilson117
2 hours ago
glenn – This ridiculous meme that being indicted multiple times is going to elect Trump is plain old laughable. Sure, it may help him win the GOP nom since his cult is a cult but indie voters and Dems will be more repulsed by the idea of a proven and prosecuted criminal being in the WH. And how will he have time to campaign and defend himself in all these cases at the same time?
AdLib2 hours ago
TW, L 0L. Her bank account is probably bigger than trumps
glenn
2 hours ago
Glenn yes it was. What makes it so great is they did it all by the book according to the accounts I read.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – Melania is just as bad as Trump, she may be worried about being thrown off the gravy train.
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey CL!
AdLib2 hours ago
AD, I agree. The cultist may think this is a wonderful thing but as you say Democrats and Independents are going to like it too much.
glenn
2 hours ago
CL is in the house!!!
twilson117
2 hours ago
Hi! glenn! Ad and TW – how are you!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad no doubt in my mind she is as bad as Trump which in my book makes her ten times smarter than him.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad – if Trump goes down, there’s no gravy, no train. She’d better clean out the checking account and hightail it to better climes.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW, yes All by the book. Of course it’s much easier when you have the book and you don’t have to make the book up like DeSantis and the legislature did.
glenn
2 hours ago
While Trump is in NYC – Melania can search for the offshore accounts.
choicelady
2 hours ago
glenn – Yep, voters who aren’t mindless cultists will see the evidence proven in these cases, Trump will be convicted and all but the MAGA cult will turn away from Trump. And think how upset the GOP plutocrats are right now and will be when Trump drags down the whole GOP in COngress and states as a criminal org.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL, oh it’s a happy day. The first indictment is in many more to come.
glenn
2 hours ago
So Glenn when will DeSantis ask for that book to be placed on the ban list? 
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – I don’t think Melania is smart, she was a nude model before marrying him. I think she’s just a shallow, selfish creature.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW, LOL!
glenn
2 hours ago
So I want to ask a favor – tomorrow AT LAST I get the new glasses with the complex prescription. If y’all would send energies, prayers if you do them, cast runes, read chicken entrails that after OVER a YEAR I can see clearly again, I’d be damned grateful.
choicelady
2 hours ago
AD, I agree. I think she went as far as she could with marrying Trump and now has to figure out how to keep that lifestyle up
glenn
2 hours ago
CL – Exactly, Melania seems to only care about herself so the threat of her gravy train rolling off a cliff has to have her freaking out.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad she may have been a nude model but I wouldn’t put anything past her when it comes to figuring out how to get Trump’s money.
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL, happy to send positive vibes your way.
glenn
2 hours ago
CL you have mine right now.
twilson117
2 hours ago
AD, I hope Melania is freaking out in her I don’t care do you jacket.
glenn
2 hours ago
CL – I will be blowing out birthday candles and picking four leaf clovers wishing for your glasses to arrive tomorrow and be perfect!
AdLib2 hours ago
Thank you glenn and TW. I am sick of squinting, enlarging type, and mistaking my backyard BBQ for a dumpster. I CAN drive – sunglasses are better – but I can’t wear the sunglasses in the house. Keep the hope please!
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL, Will keep the hope for as long as you need us to.
glenn
2 hours ago
AD! Is it YOUR birthday tomorrow – Happy Birthday!!! My boss was born on Halloween, hubs on Veterans Day, and you’re April Fools’ Day? Cool.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Thank you, dear glenn. I should know around 3-4 pm your time tomorrow.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – Think about this, the NY AG has a suit against Trump for somewhere around $200M. As banks cut him off and the flood of legal cases drain his wealth, his company could be hollowed out by the NY AG and the many civil cases against him could bankrupt him while he’s in prison. Hope to see Melania at the Food Barn with her EBT card.
AdLib2 hours ago
Melania shopping at Outlet Grocers in her 6 inch heels? Does NOT compute!
choicelady
2 hours ago
AD, well how about that? Your birthday on April fools day. At least no one can forget it. So happy early birthday.
glenn
2 hours ago
glenn – Perfect! We should all get “I don’t care, do you?” jackets when Melania is evicted from Trump Tower.
AdLib2 hours ago
AD, I hope Trump loses every last penny he has.
glenn
2 hours ago
CL – Nope, it’s not my birthday tomorrow but if today was April 1st, I would’ve said it was.
AdLib2 hours ago
glenn – it’s his 39th. Again. Saw him a couple of years ago, and he has a bit more salt in the hair but otherwise he looks just as he was when we met about 12 years ago.
choicelady
2 hours ago
OH!!! Even MORE Happy Birthday!!! If we’d known, we’d have…probably done what we’re doing!
choicelady
2 hours ago
A.D., signed me up for the jackets.
glenn
2 hours ago
Ad and TW – I’m in for the jackets. BUT not from the company she bought hers from – they cater to Nazis. SERIOUSLY they do.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Heh! My birthdays are not in consecutive order so it sure could be my 39th birthday next year.
AdLib2 hours ago
OK so I’m sitting a little low in my seat tonight. Is your birthday April 2? And whatever birthday it is I hope it’s happy for you.
glenn
an hour ago
Ad – I think aging erratically is the ONLY way to go.
choicelady
an hour ago
Justice for Trump! Justice for Trump! Justice for Trump!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – Didn’t know that but no surprise that Melania’s choice of vendors are Nazis.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph is in the house!!! not the party can really kick it up 
twilson117
an hour ago
Hey Murph!
glenn
an hour ago
Murph! Hope you were well clear of the tornadoes!
AdLiban hour ago
Hi Glenn….Choice….TW and, of course, Ad
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – Did you believe that this indictment day would ever come?
AdLiban hour ago
MURPH!!!
choicelady
an hour ago
Hey D, I’m going to answer your question to Murph. No I didn’t think it would ever come. But it does give me hope that the rest of them are coming too.
glenn
an hour ago
CL – My birthday’s actually in January but as long as it doesn’t age me more, I’ll take another one in April if it’s available.
AdLiban hour ago
CL…as to your request….re….our sending you positive vibes and humming a healing shankra in your direction…done and done.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
That’s supposed to be Ad But sometimes my voice to text gets screwed up
glenn
an hour ago
I know people who actually schedule season birthdays.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
glenn – I was pretty confident it would but remember, Bragg’s charges popped back up out of nowhere, I thought Fani Willis’ indictment in Fulton County would come first. And Jack Smith has me very conficent the DoJ will indict Trump too.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad crooks like Trump always have money stashed away were they can and no one else can get to.
twilson117
an hour ago
glenn – I thought initially GA would be first until they threatened Fanni Wallis with their vile dismissal law. It;s important a STATE goes first because it has quicker, nastier teeth. The 30 counts each carry 3-4 year sentences. He cannot be pardoned by a GOP ahat president. THEN the feds. Almost there, and they can ride together, feds and state. in indictment periods.]
choicelady
an hour ago
AD, oh if it’s not really your birthday then it can age you more. But it’s a good excuse for cake and ice cream.
glenn
an hour ago
glenn – I knew you were responding to me, no worries at all.
AdLiban hour ago
tw – I think Trump has another abode in a country w no extradition, and many offshore accounts. I’d not be surprised if we’re done with him before Tuesday.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad also it would be hard for me to believe the Melina doesn’t have and account in her maiden name that Trump doesn’t know about
twilson117
an hour ago
He will probably have to relinquish his passports – plural – meaning there are probably some we don’t know about.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – most likely Melania is well situated.
choicelady
an hour ago
AD, I think we’ll get the Georgia indictment. But I’m a little worried about the DOJ indictment. Because isn’t there supposed to be a standing rule that presidents can’t be indicted? Does that only apply to sitting presidents?0
glenn
an hour ago
› 2023 › 03 › fugitive-trumps-attempt-to-flee-to-mexico-thwarted-by-big-wall Fugitive Trump’s attempt to flee to Mexico thwarted by big wall 1 day agoEL PASO – Recently indicted steak salesman Donald J Trump attempted to flee to Mexico early this evening in order to escape charges awaiting him in NYC, but found it impossible to make it to the other side of the border due to the presence of a large wall. “I just… I just can’t clear the thing,” said a panting Trump after his 6th attempt to climb up the wall failed
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL agree has money tucked away somewhere other than the US as well as his soon to be ex-wife, well the ex-wife part may take awhile but my money is on she will leave him.
twilson117
an hour ago
So, this week Trump was finally indicted AND the Dominion lawsuit against Fox won partial summary judgement with the judge stipulating Fox broadcast lies and the trial just moving forward about proving malice which Dominion has proof of. So Fox News has been indicted in a way too. And if Dominion wins, next comes Smartmatic’s $2B lawsuit. Trump could be in prison and Fox could be in bankruptcy by next year! That could make the 2024 elections very Dem friendly!
AdLiban hour ago
glenn – the rule is SITTING presidents. He has no executive privilege anymore. And sitting presidents CAN be indicted just not hauled off in chains.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad….Trump in jail and Fox in bankruptcy…dreams coming true.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph now that’s is truly funny.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL, OMG, there’s nothing I’d like better men to see Trump flee the country and get the hell out of here. That’s even better than indictments I think. Well maybe not but still I’d love to see him flee.
glenn
an hour ago
CL – All good points especially that a Repub president can’t pardon Trump from a state conviction. Governors can commute sentances but that won’t happen in NY. Unless Cuomo could get re-elected which he couldn’t.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph!!! That’s a howl!!!
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph, L O L!
glenn
an hour ago
Clever stuff at that site!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
glenn – Absolutely! We should all celebrate this weekend like it is all of our birthdays and Christmas! Trump is going down!!!
AdLiban hour ago
glenn – the court cases would proceed, DOJ included, even if he’s gone. Trial in absentia is legal. And they are rounding up all the usual suspects along the way.
choicelady
an hour ago
AD, What a nice rosy picture you paint with fox in bankruptcy and Trump in prison.
glenn
an hour ago
Ad like it’s 1999!!
twilson117
an hour ago
All – Trump has no way out other than to flee. I think Brunai – no extradition, warm weather, rich, tryannical leader, LOTS of room for his new MAL with a huge golf course.\
choicelady
an hour ago
As a resident of one of the six most gun-dangerous in which to live……and is home to two Trump militias….I re. the news of the last few days of such joy that I to guard my mirth reaction among the troglodytes who reside here.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – With Trump’s ego and his delusional mentality, I think he still thinks he can somehow overthrow any conviction like he tried with the election. Can’t see him fleeing the country, he’s too scared of being seen as a loser and a coward.
AdLiban hour ago
CL, well that’s good to know that even sitting presidents can be indicted. I don’t think Trump is going to e hauled
glenn
an hour ago
I don’t think Trump is going to be hauled off in chains. Just want to see his mug shot though.
glenn
an hour ago
Murph – the minute the threats started, I started worrying about you. PLEASE leave contact info for one or more of us with a friend. We would go nuts not knowing where and how you are.
choicelady
an hour ago
glenn – Agreed, I think the GA indictment will come in April or May. TW has April in his Trump Indictment pool pick!
AdLiban hour ago
Speaking of Trump being hauled off, Does anyone else think that that the announcement that Trump will be indicted on Tuesday is an invitation for all his thugs to get ready for a fight,?
glenn
an hour ago
There were rumors he WANTED to be cuffed for the martyr look, but the NY DA said no. No drama, just process. I like that.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph it seems like the gov there is allowing it to turn into the poster child for have multiple guns will travel and that they have a 2 for 1 special for kids five and under.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL….a very good idea. I have co-op, association friends who I can pass that info to.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – Kind of like a dream come true, Trump will be convicted and Fox will lose the lawsuit froim Dominion. These things will happen, it’s the details of the punishments that we’re waiting for.
AdLiban hour ago
Glenn do you think they have cuff big enough to fit his fat wrists?
twilson117
an hour ago
glenn – yes and no. The numbers who failed to show last night at MAL – there were about 30 – make me wonder, I do have a thread on Twitter with folks who advise NYC people to direct all MAGA types to the 6 train. Goes to the Bronx. I think the militia types have trained in the woods and fields but not the alleys and Hell’s Kitchen.
choicelady
an hour ago
That is funny, Murph!
AdLiban hour ago
Well beautiful lady And gents, time for me to go it’s hard for me to keep my eyes open right now. But I just wanted to celebrate the engagement with all of you. Have a good weekend
glenn
an hour ago
For those who came later, check out this Trump indictment video, very funny:
AdLiban hour ago
We all need a way to keep in touch. As you all know, I’ve lived through two sieges from people who want to kill me. Not as immediate as Murph’s life right now, but I always have back up plans. Even if you think you’re safe – don’t. You just never freaking know.
choicelady
an hour ago
Glenn….live well, be well….and sleep well…..a grand night.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
glenn – It’s all going to happen, Trump will be convicted in NY and Fox will lose to Dominion. Both cases are solid.
AdLiban hour ago
glenn – sweet dreams, good weekend. LOVE having you here! See you soon I hope.
choicelady
an hour ago
Night glenn, nice to share this with you!
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – from your lips to the juries’ ears!
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad the video was indeed funny.
twilson117
an hour ago
Glenn take care good to see you.
twilson117
an hour ago
I must tell you that I have neighbors who are enraged right now. I have made it clear that my property is very well protected and that there are infrared and natural light cameras everywhere which broadcast to a repository for police/legal action as necessary.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad they’re upset with what is happening with Trump?
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – thank you for taking due care and letting everyone know you have. I get very worried about you. I’m safer in a city than you are out there.
choicelady
an hour ago
Early on, I had 11 people arrested for vandalism….and then sued them.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW….the Trump indictment has really shaken them and they are furiouis.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
GOOD. But that of course just foments their lizard brains on vengeance.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – That’s good that you took action. Extremists are cowards deep down, if they felt they could get away with vandalizing your place, they probably would.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph it’s really tough when people find out that their god is a false god.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – I think I did not tell you that the friend you helped me to relocate to Columbs area has died. Sad but one less worry.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…..she passed away….when…..cause…..how were her days in Mo.?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – I assume you know about this story: “Missouri Reps Just Voted to Completely Defund the State’s Public Libraries”
AdLiban hour ago
Just for grounding on why the cult persist, read the 1953 assessment of space ship cults, “When Prophecy Fails”. It’s really scary how people hang onto beliefs no matter how much reality debunks them.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad I read about that in MO so they don’t like libraries what a shame.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad Lib….and the move on Libraries is just one of the measures be taken to dumb down the state and set fragile egos afire.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – no revealed COD – probably a stroke. She’d had one which is what made her so weird. She was treated well, did not LIVE well, but she lived by her own lights right to the end. Thank you for helping me find where to get her settled.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL another good book. Still trying to finish that one.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – Yes, those who become part of a cult hang their identities and realities on the pillars of those cults. When those pillars get knocked down, it is like pulling the rug out from under their lives, depression, confusion and anger are the possible results.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – it’s far more important to read MacLean. But this one is fairly short, kind of cool, and does spread insight into why people are so damned dumb.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – what the 1953 book shows is they NEVER stop believing!
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – The Repubs in MO don’t like people thinking, period. They need people to be ignorant sheep. Books are a natural enemy to them.
AdLiban hour ago
thanks – am in the middle of a very “tough love” situation with a woman I’ve been helping for four years. She won’t do the simplest thing for herself. She wants a Kight in Armor to rescue her. Nope. I’m done.
choicelady
an hour ago
There is going to be a rally with a bonfire in my area this weekend at which a number of political figures are going to be burned in effigy….it is Germany 1935 stuff
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – The long term is of course something that ignorant extremists never can conceive of but the net result from anti-education states like MO and FL will be college students steering clear and smart students going to school and setting up their lives out of state. And meanwhile, a brain drain as teachers flee these education-hostile states.
AdLiban hour ago
HOLY COW!!! A book burning????
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….a hard part of being a care-giver is that some re. our willingness to help as a trigger to feed very unhealthy dependency. I do not see you falling into that trap.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – not that you would, but PLEASE don’t go and toss in the Bible, OKI?
choicelady
an hour ago
Cl I have a working theory around the problems with our democracy that seems to be playing itself and these three books will be the basis for it, Democracy in chains The Republic and the Plantegenets .
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – that is exactly right. When everything you offer is met with “NO” before you finish a sentence, it’s time to back out.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW…so well read….I am enviroius.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – That is some scary stuff, a bonfire event in MO. Brings back truths they’re trying to censor from libraries.
AdLiban hour ago
CL from what I have read in When Prophecy Fails there are some points I call pull from that as well.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – I will read that. Well, when I get through the existing “guilt pile” of unread books… Thanks’
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…..the bible is one of many texts that I find as sources of wisdom but one must pick anc choose the texts
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Tw – I think so. Good if fairly simplistic book.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…guilt pile of books…..LMAOFONF.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph trying to way my way through them at the moment. There seems to be a common connection
twilson117
an hour ago
If this new FL law passes that allows books to be banned before being reviewed, someone is going to apply to ban The Bible.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – as do I. But you have to read it EITHER from a ‘salvation’ view (corrupt) or a ‘teaching’ view (Jesus’ teachings.) And never the twain shall meet.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – someone in FL HAS demanded the Bible be banned for its violence, sex content, and a number of other salacious things.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….for me wisdom lies in the teachings of Yeshua bar Yusef bin Nazarit and the Siddartha Gautama……something the literalists here would find reluctant.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Remember though – FL fired a teacher for “David” statue but celebrates Melania’s nudie photos as glorious honor to the human body. There’s nothing they cannot rationalize.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – And was The Bible removed? I bet they were quick to block its removal. So kids can still learn that if their parents attempt to murder them, it’s okay because it’s just a test from a maniacally narcissistic God.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – if one scans world religions, that is a logical and natural pairing along w indigenous people’s beliefs. The RW are fainting.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – never heard if it was removed or not.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….I have a statue of The David in my house along with a lot of other reproductions. A “friend” gave me a “friendly word of warning” regarding “3 D Porn”……I gagged.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – So if we donate a nude Melania statue to public schools in FL, they’s happily accept it?
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – OMG. Yikes.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – probably.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL must admit I never considered the Buchanan connection
twilson117
an hour ago
CL….that person has her first and last walk inside my houise.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Doesn’t all the book banning and drag show banning expose what idiots Repubs on when they cheer on gun ownership as three more children are shot down? “Pro-life”, my ass.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – I’d say that was a reason to ban her. My parents had Ptolmeic maps in our living room. A man finding they were Unitarians asked, “Are those part of your religion”:? My mother never quite recovered from that.
choicelady
an hour ago
I will never understand the book banning part.
twilson117
an hour ago
Did you all hear that Grindr that I guess is a hook up site says if the Rw don’t stop this nonsense, they will reveal what GOP pols are ON the site.
choicelady
an hour ago
I lost it this week….in dealing with someone defending the need to stand firm on attempts of libs to “take advantage of” the Nashville killings…..I told him that I hoped he never had a call that told him of the butchering of a loved one but with gun proliferation proceeding apace I suspect that his time will come.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – the fact you don’t get it is why we love you.’
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – it’s not the libs politicizing. You just encountered who is.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….I would love for Grinder to pull back the curtain and see who is nude!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – You’ve mentioned how religiousness is declining in upcoming generations, we’re stuck with the older extremists who have adopted a twisted un-Christian Christianity but they are dying off and the replacements are not there. As you say, the Religious Extremists are clamouring for fascism and theocracy right now and the overthrow of democracy because they know the End is Nigh for their power.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – they will be the Larry Flynt of our day if the RW doesn’t shut up.
choicelady
an hour ago
What I found is the entire fundamentalist cristofascist world is shrinking like crazy. Down from 24% of the population to 13% in about 8 years. The mainline folks, the ones I work with, are SLIGHTLY growing as open hearted, open minded spiritual centers. That’s from PRRI’s 2020 survey of religion in America.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – No, didn’t hear that about Grindr but they absolutely should. Repub pols couldn’t represent much of a percentage of those on the app and crushing those hypocrites who are compensating by being rabid and hateful towards LGBTQ folks should happen.
AdLiban hour ago
Well I know someone who needs to read a book. Bobert, she snarled at someone when they said we live in a democracy and she fired back we don’t live in a democracy we’re a constitutional republic.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – someone preached that to her. She has no idea what that is. It’s right out of Buchanan.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…the fundamentalist churches here (and there are many) are having big money problems….the result of smaller and smaller congregations.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
brb
choicelady
an hour ago
CL I have socks that are smarter than her and her on again off again friend MTG.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph you’re the heartland of fundamentalism.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – That hateful mentality and disconnect of “Just because we had another of a ton of mass murders just counting this year, them Libs shouldn’t use that to push gun control” is the exact kind of cult-thinking and ignoring of reality that has divided this nation. Repubs have no logic to their “confident” BS, they are just in a hateful adversarial mindset that doesn’t use facts or truth,
AdLiban hour ago
TW…Boebert and her posse believe that ignorance is bliss when it is, in fact, a blight.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW….but even here there is a trend away from fundamentalism.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph you’re correct.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph trend away from fundamentalism explain?
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – Yes, that’s an old propagandist line from Repubs, “We’re not a democracy, we’re a Republic”. The thing is, it’s BS. Because we are a democratic Republic. Idiots like them just want to be contrary and leave the door open to fascism.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad……”the cult mentality” is arsenic in debate….it deals out death.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW…the fundamentalist churches here are experiencing a significant loss of persons in the pews…..
MurphTheSurf3
44 minutes ago
Ad if I had a dollar for every time I heard that I be a very rich man.
twilson117
44 minutes ago
Murph now that’s interesting, where are their so-called sheep going?
twilson117
44 minutes ago
There has always been anti intellectualism in America as a virtue. Hoffstadter (sp?) wrote of that in the 60s. I fear MO and the “show me” principle are much to blame.
choicelady
43 minutes ago
Ad……Democracy does not define the nature of a government only its primary driver….republic is a format for government.
MurphTheSurf3
43 minutes ago
You realize, if Dems can springboard off of Trump as a convicted criminal leading a party of pro-criminals and hold The Senate, win back the House and hold the WH, with Sinema gone, Dems could pass voting rights reforms that wipe out the gerrymandered districts that the worst of the Repubs win their seats from. And that would likely end a lot of this extremism in Congress.
AdLib43 minutes ago
TW…..I think that they are choosing to embrace fundamentalism without God, without Jesus, without faith, a secular religiosity.
MurphTheSurf3
42 minutes ago
CL anti-intellectualism seems to be a world wide problem.
twilson117
42 minutes ago
Murph – wait until the RW discover what many of us know: the federal system of government was taken DIRECTLY from the Iroquois Confederation. Benjamin Franklin deeply respected it. RW heads will explode!
choicelady
42 minutes ago
Ad…now that is a platform I would be happy to stand on.
MurphTheSurf3
41 minutes ago
Murph, fundamentalism without God and Christ?? Hmm, how in hells bells does that work for them?
twilson117
41 minutes ago
Murph I mean without God and Christ, you only have Satan.
twilson117
40 minutes ago
CL….RWers have no interest in serious historical research.
MurphTheSurf3
40 minutes ago
Murph – Agreed, the idea of denying we live in a democracy because we are a republic is like saying, “We aren’t people because we’re Americans.”
AdLib40 minutes ago
Tw – As one who hung around academia too long, I can see why. Never met more utterly stupid people than some of the professors in my grad programs. Not a lick of good sense. But that said, there are wonderful, in-touch, grounded people for whom learning, science and all, help raise the human condition.
choicelady
40 minutes ago
TW….or a secular “faith” rooted in radical jingoism.
MurphTheSurf3
40 minutes ago
Hey….any ideas about the nature of those suggested “30 counts” against Trump?
MurphTheSurf3
39 minutes ago
Murph ah jingoism okay I got it. I think the only problem they have with that is with the jingoism fall apart they will suddenly cry out for God.
twilson117
39 minutes ago
Murph – nope. Worked at Slater Mill Historic Site back in the day. The myth that Slater “brought the plans in his head” is just that – a myth. He had a rough idea how spinning frames worked but the LOCAL mechanics, the Wilkinson brothers, figured out how to MAKE it. And people got MAD they docents didn’t purvey the LIE.
choicelady
39 minutes ago
CL…fascinating
MurphTheSurf3
38 minutes ago
Murph – the nature of the counts isn’t really known.
choicelady
38 minutes ago
TW…but they have raised idols (like Trump) in theplace of the gods.
MurphTheSurf3
38 minutes ago
CL…I am just wondering what they might be about.
MurphTheSurf3
37 minutes ago
Murph I think the 30 counts all have to do with the payouts to Stormy and the other woman.
twilson117
37 minutes ago
What I think all here recognize is that religion in America, among the many extremists, is not about peace, love, compassion, etc. It is just an artifice for social warfare by intimidated conformists who feel threatened by those who aren’t like them. We see no evidence of their alleged religious beliefs in their words or actions, it seems just a vehicle for them to attack those who are different and try to gain power to oppress, control and demean them. They have nothing to do with religiousness in a substantive way.
AdLib37 minutes ago
My attorney friends are saying that a number of the accounts will address the lies about the nature of the financial transactions.
MurphTheSurf3
36 minutes ago
Murph – I think the civil issues the NY AG pursued have been linked to the Stormy case, One would surmise it’s his lies about property valuation for taxes v insurance and massive corruption on the public front.
choicelady
36 minutes ago
Ad…brilliant…copied and put into my desktop folder….”Words from the Wise.”
MurphTheSurf3
36 minutes ago
Murph idol worship is indeed the backdrop for total failure, at least according to the Bible they claim to read. Something about not having false ides as one of the commandments I believe.
twilson117
35 minutes ago
CL..your surmising fits in with what my attorney friends are pointing to.
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
TW….Trump worship seems to be an expression of your thinkng.
MurphTheSurf3
34 minutes ago
CL that is what I’m getting from the reports the talking heads are relaying.
twilson117
34 minutes ago
Murph – this is a blind guess but all of these loudmouthed pundits who know nothing but proclaim “it’s a weak case” will be proven to be the worthless peopl they are. I think we’ll learn that Bragg has built many of his charges on evidence that is apart from Trump’s violation of campaign finance, solid evidence of criminal acts and felonies that are not weak but strong proof of guilt.
AdLib34 minutes ago
Well, Ad – NOW American religion is actually MORE about peace, love, justice because social justice denominations and participants OUTNUMER the religious right FINALLY. The problem lies – Murph and I’ve discussed this – in the media pretending Franklin Graham and his ilk speak for us all. And they prefer the hateful because hate sells, peace and love do not. We need a full court press on challenging the crappy media. They are Public Enemy No. 1
choicelady
34 minutes ago
Ad….I love your summary of the likely “architecture” of the indictment counts.
MurphTheSurf3
33 minutes ago
Murph I call it the John Wayne curse.
twilson117
33 minutes ago
We have pundits on the “crappy case” side mirrored on the “nobody will ever do anything” side. Both are wrong, and I’m sick of the media catering to them.
choicelady
32 minutes ago
CL…you are so very wise……ID who is Public Enemy No. 1 and work to counter them.
MurphTheSurf3
32 minutes ago
TW – EXACTLY. Images of Americ via Hollywood are pernicious.
choicelady
32 minutes ago
CL – I think there will be tax fraud and wire fraud charges against Trump, completely independent from the Stormy payments. Trump’s whole defense will crumble if Bragg is doing what I think he is and building charges from different directions with solid evidence proving Trump committed fraud, cover-ups and maybe even conspiracies to defraud. All in addition to fraud related to Stormy. Then Trump’s BS and that of his defenders will blow up in their faces.
AdLib31 minutes ago
Murph – You are too kind, my friend. Thank you!
AdLib31 minutes ago
SIde line….Trump has to HATE having to return to NYC where there is one monument after another to his many failings and where he is roundly hated.
MurphTheSurf3
31 minutes ago
CL you brought up Franklin Graham son of Billy Gramham I’ve never liked his dad thought of them as nothing but hucksters praying on the poor.
twilson117
30 minutes ago
Ad…you have the makings of the savvy attorney.
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
Yes, Ad….we are indeed friends……
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
CL – We’re on the same page, I noted in my comment that I was specifically talking about the American religious extremists, they are just corrupt, morally shriveled, small people with big mouths who are terrified of evolution, especially the evolution of the world away from the white male dominated structure. The majority of religious people in America are not like them.
AdLib28 minutes ago
All there are some cracks in out democratic foundation and they need patching or it will all fall down with a thunderous raw of clapping.
twilson117
28 minutes ago
Trump has apparently raised 4 million dollars since the indictment……from poor saps and cynical autocratics.
MurphTheSurf3
28 minutes ago
Ad – well said! Morally shriveled. Perfect.
choicelady
27 minutes ago
Thunderous roar of clapping
twilson117
27 minutes ago
Murph – Aw shucks, I’m just an ol’ country lawyer.
AdLib27 minutes ago
Murph – he SAYS $4 million. Hmm.
choicelady
27 minutes ago
Ad…you and Sam E. GOOD company to be in.
MurphTheSurf3
26 minutes ago
CL…true….but I would not be surprised…no shortage of angry, gullible and stupid people.
MurphTheSurf3
26 minutes ago
Murph the Trump grift never stops.
twilson117
25 minutes ago
Murph – don’t disagree about the gullible, but given the dwindling numbers, I question the amount. He USED to raise WAY more than that for less than this.
choicelady
24 minutes ago
CL..good point.
MurphTheSurf3
24 minutes ago
We have lovely weather – and my lights are flickering. If I disappear, power outage. We have a bum transformer in the alley. Sucks.
choicelady
23 minutes ago
TW – I think 2024 could be the collapse of the anti-democracy/pro-fascist GOP and allow dems to fix our democracy if they make a clean sweep of wins in DC. Then, the GOP will be cast to the wilderness nationally (though still having the power to keep destroying many red states at least for a while). Seriously, how can a multi-indicted and likely convicted Trump-led GOP in 2024 win in this country? How will Repubs pull indie voters and Dems over to their side when their headliner is a convicted criminal? Trump will bring the GOP down as Lindsey Graham said in 2016.
AdLib23 minutes ago
CL…I pray you do not fade away.
MurphTheSurf3
23 minutes ago
Muph – thank you, but if I go it will be in resounding blackout.
choicelady
22 minutes ago
Ad that is an interesting theory.
twilson117
22 minutes ago
Ad…a convincing argument…..a bit of irony closing with wisdom form Lady Lindsey.
MurphTheSurf3
22 minutes ago
Murph and CL – $4M won’t even pay much of his legal bils in 2023, let alone help his campaign in 2024. Don’t forget, E.Jean Carroll’s case is coming up in a few weeks and the NY AG has hundreds of millions she’s suing for and in DC, civil suits from Capitol Police and Congresspeople are going ahead. No amount of money will be enough for the costs Trump will have this year and next.
AdLib21 minutes ago
If Lindsey would JUST come out of the closet, we could get on with life. He hates Trump. He needs to act on that not his fear of exposure.
choicelady
21 minutes ago
My friend….I am exhausted and need to crawl into bed….I do find these conversation invigorating though and am so glad that we have them. Again, I praise Ad and his fellow visionaries who birthed this site.
MurphTheSurf3
20 minutes ago
Ad the current GOP is like the seven headed Hadra Heracles had to defeat.
twilson117
20 minutes ago
About the E. Jean Carroll case – part of what he has to do Tuesday is a buccal swab for DNA. Hee hee!
choicelady
20 minutes ago
OK – I am taking Murph’s lead and boogeying. Off tomorrow to drive up about 30 miles to get my new glasses. I’ll let you know how they go. Good night and good weekend all!
choicelady
19 minutes ago
CL….I have friends in SC who say that Lindsey trots out his “fiancee” for every electoral cycle…..”nudge, nudge, wink, wink”
MurphTheSurf3
19 minutes ago
CL I thought the DNA sample she had on the dresss was too degraded for a match am I wrong on that?
twilson117
18 minutes ago
Murph – Thanks so much and yes, big props go out to friends no longer with us who helped start The Planet, KQuark and Bito and the very dear Kalima who isn’t around the site but is happily with us.
AdLib18 minutes ago
CL…I will be seeing you but hope you see much better
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
She is a lovely lady, his fiancee. Not seen but every so often.
choicelady
18 minutes ago
Thanks all – good night!
choicelady
18 minutes ago
Night CL, hoping and wishing the glasses are great!
AdLib18 minutes ago
Ad….your list of names is a poignant moment
MurphTheSurf3
17 minutes ago
Well….off to bed…..a great night.
MurphTheSurf3
17 minutes ago
I wonder why Lindsey is so upset at Trump’s indictment, he’s crying everywhere. Maybe he fears whatever Kompramat Trump has on him will be released publicly by Trump out of sheer vindictiveness that he got caught?
AdLib16 minutes ago
Take care Murph
twilson117
16 minutes ago
Night Murph!
AdLib16 minutes ago
CL…..I may give you a call in a day or so…..we have not talked in a while.
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
Ad…..Lindsey lives in fear…..who he is, what he is, will not be accepted by his constituents…..his friendship with McCain was a strike against mc cain.
MurphTheSurf3
14 minutes ago
Murph – But why would Trump’s indictment get him so upset?
AdLib14 minutes ago
Lindsey is scared of his own shadow.
twilson117
14 minutes ago
Ad…..Trump is a feral animal and when cornered can devour his own.
MurphTheSurf3
13 minutes ago
I mean, Lindsey has red watery eyes for days now and is trembling. He’s got to see Trump as a threat, maybe he’s threatened to pull them all down with him?
AdLib13 minutes ago
Murph – Yes, that’s what I’m thinking. It seems like an existential thing for Lindsey.
AdLib12 minutes ago
Ad…. a very real possibility. If He burns…they all burn.
MurphTheSurf3
12 minutes ago
I have to admit I haven’t paid that much attention to Lindsey and his crying.
twilson117
12 minutes ago
Murph well that’s a good thing right?
twilson117
11 minutes ago
Lindsey is the archetypal closeted gay man….living in constant fear that his shadow self will be exposed.
MurphTheSurf3
11 minutes ago
I’ve seen clips of Lindsey from yesterday and today, red watery eyes and a trembling voice both days. And today, he posted an insane tweet saying Trump should punch a cop if he wants to be set free in NY.
AdLib11 minutes ago
Murph – Yes, I agree about your analysis of Lady G. However, he has not shown this kind of fragility ever before. Something else is going on, I think.
AdLib9 minutes ago
Ad what do you think it is?
twilson117
9 minutes ago
Ad…..keen observation.
MurphTheSurf3
9 minutes ago
It feels on target to think that Trump has threatened other Repubs to say that if they’re not out there defending him aggressively with everything they’ve got, he’ll leak his blackmail material on them and take them down. Trump is desperate and a bully mob boss type, I could imagine him doing something like this out of self-preservation.
AdLib8 minutes ago
Me too.
MurphTheSurf3
7 minutes ago
Ad that’s an interesting theory.
twilson117
7 minutes ago
Look at Jordan and McCarthy echoing Trump exactly and threatening to break Costitutional law to defend Trump. It is kind of bizarre.
AdLib7 minutes ago
Ad….McCarthy and Jordan are joined at the hip to Trump….they have few options.
MurphTheSurf3
6 minutes ago
I was just looking over the second letter Bragg sent to Jordan it’s another GF yourself Jordan.
twilson117
5 minutes ago
Add to that, Trump is probably threatening Repubs that he will bring down the whole party, even split off from it to form his own party if they don’t prove how loyal they are to him.
AdLib5 minutes ago
Ad and Tw. Nailed it.
MurphTheSurf3
5 minutes ago
I am well past my bedtime…..and yet still animated by your energy and wisdom TW and Ad….thanks for your insights……
MurphTheSurf3
4 minutes ago
TW – I lobve the responses Bragg has delivered to Jordan and McCarthy. They should be afraid to push much farther because their threats are empty, they have no power to bring Bragg in front of them on an NY state prosecution nor receive any docs from the case. There is no mechanism for them to get what they threaten, a court would slam that door shut.
AdLib3 minutes ago
Same here, Murph! Your insights are very valuable to me too!
AdLib3 minutes ago
Ad he wrote how much NY State has contributed the feds it was masterful.
twilson117
3 minutes ago
Good night…..friends…..
MurphTheSurf3
2 minutes ago
I gain a lot of knowledge being part of this group.
twilson117
2 minutes ago
I think it’s my turn to call will do in a sec
twilson117
2 minutes ago
TW – Yes, Bragg had to expect this outrageous war on him from all Repubs in office, knowing all he knows about Trump now from his investigation and past behavior.
AdLib2 minutes ago
Sounds good!
AdLib2 minutes ago
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