Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 3 hours ago
I can never remember when Arizona is on Pacific or or Mountain. Is it twenty minutes or 1:20? Khirad 3 hours ago
Nevermind it’s longer… sorry to jump the gun. Khirad 3 hours ago
No worries! AZ is on PST. AdLib 2 hours ago
hi all, see you in 10 pinkpantheroz an hour ago
I’m so mature, I commented on Tucker interviewing Don Jr with KARMA – only maybe twenty times to many? Khirad an hour ago
Hey Khirad! AdLib an hour ago
Hey PPO! AdLib an hour ago
I was about to go Boy George. Call me evil. I’m ebullient. Khirad an hour ago
Hi all! well, he is in walter reid, so I guess he really has something. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Khirad – Gaetz is usinng his small brain too conclude that Trump’s getting sick means precautions don’t work and we should open everything up. Even bacteria isn’t that stupid. AdLib an hour ago
Gaetz is the poster boy for Douchebags United Khirad an hour ago
Hey Murph! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
And Fox News is calling on Biden to stop campaigning while other RWs are saying Biden should agree to postponing the election. Can yoou imaginne how Trump would be dancing on Biden’s grave if he had come down with COVID? AdLib an hour ago
Hey Murph! AdLib an hour ago
Hi CL! AdLib an hour ago
Evening all! choicelady an hour ago
So is Trump going to die? AdLib an hour ago
Hey Ad, glenn, Khirad, Murph, and PPO! choicelady an hour ago
ὕβρις a fun Greek word that we know as Hubris. Khirad an hour ago
Good evening, everyone. Hope all is well with you. glenn an hour ago
Ad – I saw the live feed when he WALKED to the helicopter. Seemed better than usual. This fired up speculation it wasn’t Trump. choicelady an hour ago
Greetings……I want to say that I think this hoax about our Presidente having The Covid is a smear, a hoax, a corrupt practice, a sign of the end times being upon us. Amen. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
hey cl! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
He was wearing a mask. BUT he had tiny hands, so… choicelady an hour ago
If he doesn’t die he can thank the health care he wants to take from everyone. Khirad an hour ago
Personally, I just want him to suffer like all the people he’s caused to suffer from COVID, recover enough to stay on the ticket, get beaten badly then later convicted and imprisoned. Dying is too easy an escape for him. AdLib an hour ago
Khirad–Naww, twenty times is not enough for karma! glenn an hour ago
And in the real world…hello ad, cl, glenn, khirad, and ppo! MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
200,000 Glenn? Khirad an hour ago
Murph – well, aren’t you the bright light tonight! End Times already? Wait – I didn’t polish my shoes! choicelady an hour ago
Ad…..I support your life plan for DT. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
PPO–Yeah, last I heard he was having trouble breathing. That was reported by Acosta, so it was probably “fake news”. glenn an hour ago
CL – Did you see Trump’s video though? He looked so bad. And the treatmennt they’re giving hiim, supposedly it would only be given if he was severely infected. AdLib an hour ago
CL….just trying to share what I picked up from two of my favorite right wing on line asylums. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
I wan to see a photo with him tubed and wired up pinkpantheroz an hour ago
I’m just throwing this out there, but what is up with Hope Hicks and Trump? What I hear, is he’s like the daughter he doesn’t want to date, but… Khirad an hour ago
Ad–I hope the RTLB doesn’t die. That would take all the pleasure out of seeing him in prison! glenn an hour ago
Ad – I agree. I want him to suffer, to be a “long hauler” and thus show he has no “stamina” as he hurled at Hillary over her pneumonia. Then arrested, Perp Walked (or dragged), and his life spent in prison. choicelady an hour ago
with you there, glenn pinkpantheroz an hour ago
glenn and PPO – agreed! choicelady an hour ago
Just to see him admit he was weak was great. Khirad an hour ago
Hey CL–“Some people are saying” it was the RTLB, because he was lumbering along as usual. However, maybe it wasn’t, because he had a mask on! glenn an hour ago
Khirad – when did he admit he was weak? Missed that! choicelady an hour ago
The thing is, eve iif Trump was out oof commission or died, ballots are printed and no matter who the GOP chose too replace him, it will be Trump oor Biden on the ballot. AdLib an hour ago
I have a question…given this….how can there be hearings involving the nominee for SCOTUS….she stood within a few feet of DT and then mingled with him at the garden party. She is also working out of a WH office provided for her. Isn’t she a potential spreader? MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph–Amen! glenn an hour ago
glenn – he was walking better than usual but also didn’t have his high heels on. choicelady an hour ago
Murph – two of the Sen. Judiciary Committee GOP have it now, so yes, she’s a superspreader. choicelady an hour ago
Ballots may be out, but hopefully we don’t have to hear him and someone takes his phone from him. Khirad an hour ago
Ad–You said it so much better than I. I hope he suffers bigly! glenn an hour ago
there is an awful lot to keep up with apart from this, so we shouldn’t get too distracted pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Murph – And Mike Lee, who is on the Judiciary Committee, has COVID. He iis in quarrantine so there is an equal amount of Dems and Repubs oon the committee. Withoout him, she doesn’t get oout of committee. Hate to say it but we have to hope for Lee to get ill and be out for several weeks. AdLib an hour ago
The Cleveland Clinic is offering expedited testing for anyone who was at the so-call debate, here in after referred to as the TrumpAmbush MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Hey glenn! AdLib an hour ago
Murph–The SCOTUS nominee supposedly tested negative. Also Lindsey Graham said they can still hold the hearings virtually. glenn an hour ago
Did you see the Yuuuge crowd of 7 outside walter Reid? pinkpantheroz an hour ago
It’s so poetically predictable. I just want to know how many others are affected, not just in power, but those selectively removing themselves from the gene pool. Khirad an hour ago
PPO – I saw a couple dozen all trying to get pix. I figure it was of “Dead Man Walking” but could be wrong. choicelady an hour ago
Khirad–Apparently someone has already taken his phone. No tweets since last night when he announced he had COVID. glenn an hour ago
is it too much to hope that McConnell was also close to Hope hicks? pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Maybe he won’t die, but when he does, who is showing up at his funeral? Khirad an hour ago
Testing negative does not get you off the hook. Once exposed you must isolate for 10 to 14 days and test at the end of that period because that is how long the incubation period is. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
PPO – oh, from your lips to God’s ear! choicelady an hour ago
Ad–Last I read, Lee will be back on Capitol Hill for the SCOTUS vote. glenn an hour ago
Khirad….poetically predictable! How prosaic. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Khirad – Indeed, we thought this could and honestly, should happen just based on the science. Remember earlier this year when there was an outbreak among a few WH people? At the time I thought, should’t Trump get iit? AdLib an hour ago
Khirad – he will have a Proud Boys Honor Klan. choicelady an hour ago
glenn – That’s what Lee said but if he’s sick, no way. AdLib an hour ago
PPO–LOL! Or maybe McConnell was close to Lee. glenn an hour ago
Khirad, Potter’s Field has limited access, so there will just be the gravediggers and their JCB pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Khirad–I’ve heard there are many people who would show up at the RTLB’s funeral….just to piss on his grave! glenn an hour ago
And sinnce multiple Senators are coming down with it, possible that enough Repub Senators could be out so a majority is gone. Tillis has it too. AdLib an hour ago
I bet we’ll find many more Repubs in the Senate will have it. The maskless asses. AdLib an hour ago
glenn! I’d be one of them! choicelady an hour ago
I saw a tweet saying Kellyane Conway”s daughter complaining her mother is cooughinng all over the place. So… AdLib an hour ago
I bet the toilets in the GOP Senate Caucus area are crammed with Senators pissing themselves pinkpantheroz an hour ago
I’ve been to Nixon’s Library. No such luck. Their graves were strategically placed and guarded. Which brings me to Trump’s Library!
Khirad an hour ago
Ad – that’s freaking creepy of KellyAnne to expose her kid. choicelady an hour ago
Ad–just a tweak…”I bet we’ll find many more repubs”….I’d like to change it to “I HOPE we find many more repubs with it! glenn an hour ago
glenn – Instead of a headstone, they should install a toilet over Trump’s grave. It wuld be the most popular tour bus stop. AdLib an hour ago
CL–I’d be right beside you! glenn an hour ago
KellyAnne’s kid is in the vein of Ron Reagan Jr, I remember Khirad an hour ago
Ad – that’s the truth. choicelady an hour ago
Ad, the gold one pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Khirad – yes, I think that’s true about the kid. choicelady an hour ago
Ad–Oh, I’m sure Kellyanne just has the flu…. glenn an hour ago
I wear two buttons all the time. ONE says “For Your Sake, For My Sake, For Our Sake, Please Wear a Mask” and the other is a Biden/Harris campaign button. Today at a meeting (in a large space with everyone in masks) of leaders of agricultural co-ops in this state, I had both buttons acknowledged positively by a surprising number of those there….people who I think of as unrepentant Trumps by and large. Something afoot? MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Such a lovely relationship Choice, right? Khirad an hour ago
CL – Kellyanne is having to quarantine at home with her daughter and husband so iif they didn’t have COVID before, they might now. AdLib an hour ago
PPO–Good one! glenn an hour ago
Murph – for a straw poll, that’s quite amazing! choicelady an hour ago
Ad – I seriously don’t want George and their daughter to get sick. Kellyanne? Meh. choicelady an hour ago
Murph, you can stand with hillary. You were right all along, and the poor suckers have finally cottoned on. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
glenn – You hope, I’ll bet and let’s make it happen! AdLib an hour ago
So the Conways have to spend time together and the daughter is like – fuck this Khirad an hour ago
Khirad–The RTLB’s library will be one long printout of his tweets! glenn an hour ago
glenn. We could put Trump Library in a shoebox. choicelady an hour ago
CL….by no means a majority but a good handful AND no pushback from those I know to be virulent DTers MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
I’d put a security detail to make sure the Conway kid doesn’t go Lizzy Borden. Khirad an hour ago
PPO….Standing with Hillary. I would be honored. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – that’s effin’ amazing. Sorry – already into the wine over this and my own issues. choicelady an hour ago
Murph–I hope there is something afoot in MO. From what I’ve been reading, here in GA, Biden is polling much better than expected. glenn an hour ago
Khirad!!! Yeah – I could see the Lizzie act there from all accounts. choicelady an hour ago
Khirad….you have such a way with words….fuck this! HAH! MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
CL–A baby bootie shoebox! glenn an hour ago
CL….wine is a fine friend on days like these. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
glenn – I’ve not seen the MO polls. How is Biden doing? choicelady an hour ago
Murph – That’s pretty amazing. I’d suggest that this may be the one and only thing that breaks the Trump spell. He’s now proven to have conned them about a killer virus and has been felled by it, at least sickened that is. Trump know looks the one way cult leaders can never afford to be, weak and helpless. AdLib an hour ago
glenn – LOL!!! choicelady an hour ago
I want to know when Trump’s bleach treatment will begin. I suggest a nice enema! MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – I thought the Blue Light went up the bum and the bleach was for drinking while the Lysol was injected. Did I get that wrong? choicelady an hour ago
Ad…good insight….when the leader is weak he ceases to be worthy of his following. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
So who wants to bet Repub enthusiasm for vooting for Trump sags and never recovers, even if a weakened Trump reappears by video to urge them to vote? AdLib an hour ago
CL>……oh! You have the Clinical Description. Missed that. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Ad – I think this was the end for him. He was proven a liar and cheat, and that he’s weak. All of that is unforgiveable. choicelady an hour ago
CL–I really don’t want to see anyone get sick; but if I could choose the people who could get sick, Kellyanne would be on the list. glenn an hour ago
Murph – I try to take note of cutting edge medical practice. choicelady an hour ago
glenn – I’m with you. choicelady an hour ago
CL – With you on that, Kellyanne going downn from COVID would be just desserts considering all she’s done to help kill 200,000 people but her husband and daughter don’t deserve it. AdLib an hour ago
Khirad an hour ago
CL…well thankfully we have Pence standing by…..he is really good at doing that….and little else. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
I was wondering about Lara Trump Khirad an hour ago
Khirad – where’d you get her portrait??? choicelady an hour ago
Khirad…perfecto! MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Murph – as much as I’m sure Pence supports the Proud Boys, he has all the inspirational manliness of milk toast. choicelady an hour ago
I just crack myself up. Khirad an hour ago
Khirad – you crack US up as well! choicelady an hour ago
The Proud Boys would never initiate Pence. They actually have standards. And, the cofounder of VICE? Khirad an hour ago
CL–Don’t know about MO, but here in GA, The Hill reported on the 29th that Biden is AHEAD by one point! glenn an hour ago
CL…which is why his so good at just standing by……..I remind people all the time that he had one term as gov of Indiana because his own party told him he could not get renominated. He was that bad. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Hey, simmer down, y’all. We have a serious election coming up. by all means freud the schaden out of this, but don’t lose sight of the goal pinkpantheroz an hour ago
glenn – GEORGIA???? Wow! choicelady an hour ago
PPO…..good call….this is far from over…..and very far from won……on many fronts. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
PPO – you’re correct. But a lot of energy is being generated BY these events. choicelady an hour ago
CL – What has happened to Trump is pretty incredible. His image destroyed as a con by books and news, he destroys himself more by supporting racist militias and now, taken down by the disease he’s lied about being virtually harmless. Yes, he’s been proven as a liar but now his biggest con on his voters has been blown sky high and Trump looks like the ttal fraud and weak loser he is. AdLib an hour ago
Ad – That is all true. choicelady an hour ago
I’m votin’ hangin’ lose at home and that’s all you need to no. Just don’t ask about what I use to seal it. OMG, I need a break, I’m just gonna get all silly. Khirad an hour ago
See, can’t even spell. Khirad an hour ago
Khirad – if you can’t cut loose with us, where CAN you? choicelady an hour ago
Ad–I hope you’re correct about the RTLB spell. But they’ll probably be just like Gaetz. “See…all these precautions don’t work if the president can get COVID.” Considering that the RTLB didn’t take any precautions, it doesn’t make sense, but that’s the cult for you. glenn an hour ago
true, CL, but Biden needs for once to ‘No more Mr. Nice Guy’ and stick the boot in big time. No time for weakness, which is what the GOP will class inaction. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
So the whole Trump family refused to be tested or wear masks at the debate. Despite their denials, how likely iis it that Ivanka and Jared are infected? AdLib an hour ago
glenn – I’m counting on you to bring home GA for Biden! AdLib an hour ago
Just saying, Arizona is looking good. It makes me uncomfortable to be optimistic, but McSally is just a horrible candidate. Khirad an hour ago
Murph/CL–Your treatment protocols sound about right to me! glenn an hour ago
PPO – while he’s taken down negative ads, he’s NOT let go of the critiques. The hardcore ads will come from Lincoln Project and Meidas Touch which is FINE. No one’s backing off. choicelady an hour ago
Talking about the Family, is Eric in or out of the closet? pinkpantheroz an hour ago
PPO – Eric got caught in the hinges of the closet door. He can’t keep his mouth shut on over explaining. He looks like the right jerk he is. choicelady an hour ago
I never thought about Eric that way. Hmmm. Khirad an hour ago
Tiffany is just happy to be mentioned. Khirad an hour ago
PPO–Oh, don’t worry…we know what the goal is. I’m just hoping the cultists realize how much they’ve been conned. glenn an hour ago
Khirad – I am sorry to see Tiffany cares. Being of good standing in that family is connected to being in the will and ONLY that. choicelady an hour ago
CL–Yeah, GA! Ain’t that a kick? glenn an hour ago
Ad–I’ll do my best! glenn an hour ago
PPO – Have o concern, Dems are so motivated to vote out Trump, nothing will stop them. Nothing. Have you seen the early voting lines? Over 1 millioon votes by mail have been sent in, 10 times the usual amount. It sure feels like we’re about to win the race, nothing’s going to stop us from crossing the finish line. AdLib an hour ago
Tifffany is the one family member I do feel a bit sorry for. Waiting to see how the sons (sniff, sniff) react to the subpoenas pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Before today, I thought the funniest joke to get Trump to shut up was to summon Fred’s ghost to remind Donnie what a loser he’ll always be. Khirad an hour ago
Ad – I read the 1 million were IN PERSON votes surpassing about 10K this time in 2016. Who KNOWS what the mail ins are? choicelady an hour ago
CL–Yeah, the Lincoln Project and Meidas Touch have really been doing the heavy work in ads this election cycle. glenn an hour ago
Notorious RBG won her first Case in Heaven! pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Tiffany, she’s kinda cute actually in a way. See, I talk too much. Khirad an hour ago
glenn – I love them for that. Donnie can’t pin those ads on Biden or Dems. He’s stuck w his OWN party dissing him broadly and often! choicelady an hour ago
I have been paying attention to two right wing, heavy trumper websites tonight and I am intrigued by how little traffic there is and the absence of a party line to explain away these events. Ad, you could be on the mark re. the seismic impact of today’s events MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
RBG rocks even now. choicelady an hour ago
Ad–I’m beginning to have a little bit of hope from those early voting lines and mail-in ballot numbers! glenn an hour ago
glenn – But no question, without his tweets and rallies, enthusiasm for Trump will slump on that alone. Add on discouragement at their seeing how weak annd helpless their “superman” leader really is now. No way to rev that up again as it was. AdLib an hour ago
Murph – that’s very interesting news about the web sites. choicelady an hour ago
Murph–Yeah, rightwingers, except Gaetz, seem to be laying low today and tonight. glenn an hour ago
The idea of Pence has always been scary, but he has the charisma of a … Hoosier? Burn! Khirad an hour ago
Well – he portrayed “strong man” on his short walk to Marine One. IF that was Trump. But it probably was with him using his last ounce of energy to pretend he was OK. choicelady an hour ago
fascinating, Murph. Could the Redneck element finally be getting how utterly conned they have been? pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Khirad – Okay, you’re in charge of bringing in AZ for Biden and Kelly! AdLib an hour ago
Khirad–My take on Pence is that, if he has to take over, then the RTLB has already lost. How can he lead us for another four years? And if Biden wins, Pence is gone, too! glenn an hour ago
CL – I heard over 1 million mail in ballots too. AdLib an hour ago
Ad – how cool is that? choicelady an hour ago
Can I guarantee you Tucson, Phoenix and Flagstaff and Navajo country? You can take odds on me against that. Khirad an hour ago
Ad–yeah, I know. How can he say he deserves four more years if we’re not sure if he can get through four more weeks/days? glenn an hour ago
Khirad – if you guarantee those four area, you guarantee AZ. There IS nothing else! choicelady an hour ago
Murph – Between yoour anecdote and the drop in traffiic at RW sites, I think we’re at least seeing an indication that this may indeed be drowning enthusiasm for Trump. AdLib an hour ago
I was kidding, there’s a lot else, like the suburbs of Phoenix and Tucson. But, those are looking good. Khirad an hour ago
Khirad – I had family in Gilbert. I will say, never having seen Tucson, I hate AZ. Like Flagstaff. That’s it. choicelady an hour ago
When I saw Biden address the nation today re. the events swirling around the WH and the Nation and realized that while he had notes he was not reading a speech but extemporizing from the notes I felt his real worth. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago
Hey, MSNBC reporting Kellyanne cacophonix has COVID. And she has been taking to Barr! Hmmmm……. pinkpantheroz an hour ago
Gilbert is slightly better than Mesa, the armpit of Arizona. Khirad an hour ago
OMG PPO – that’s stunning info. Now if Barr gets it… choicelady an hour ago
glenn – Same here. We can’t let up but I’ve been saying that I think Biden and Dems will win by bigger margins than most people expect. AdLib 44 minutes ago
Khirad – I’d agree on the Gilbert/Mesa assessment. choicelady 44 minutes ago
Ad–I hope all those rightwingers crawl back under their rocks to lick their wounds. glenn 44 minutes ago
Glenn….How can he say he deserves four more years if we’re not sure if he can get through four more weeks/days?….brilliant MurphTheSurf3 44 minutes ago
PPO–Wow! This COVID thing is spreading like a virus! glenn 44 minutes ago
Now Tempe, that’s cool. What does that have in common with Flagstaff and Tucson…? hmmmmm Khirad 43 minutes ago
glenn – Great point! Hard to re-elect a president who can’t even finish his first term. AdLib 43 minutes ago
glenn – the laws are on our side. The Nat’l Guard is on our side, The military won’t be used against us per Gen. Milley. We will have some chaos, but given this COVID, Trump is no longer their savior. He’s weak. It won’t go down the same. choicelady 43 minutes ago
Khirad, that’s a good deal! AdLib 43 minutes ago
Murph–perhaps that will be the Lincoln Project’s next ad, hey? glenn 43 minutes ago
Yes….let me think, Khirad. choicelady 43 minutes ago
Choice
Khirad 42 minutes ago
Ad, what happens if He is too ill to continue? With his name already on millions of ballots, what happens them? pinkpantheroz 42 minutes ago
Yes. choicelady 42 minutes ago
PPO – that is a VERY good question. choicelady 42 minutes ago
PPO – Mixed feelings, as I said earlier, Kellyanne should suffer for what she’s done to soo many others but feel awful for her daughter and even George. AdLib 41 minutes ago
Just a side point – our air quality is heading up to the “Die, Sucker” range tonight. I blame Trump. choicelady 41 minutes ago
Ad–which is why, from the last I read, which was right before I came here, that the RTLB is saying he is “still in charge”. Well, he didn’t say it, but I think it was a WH spokesperson. Anyway, no notification of Pence being sworn in. glenn 41 minutes ago
Here’s what pisses me off about the Lincoln Project. Hate Bill Maher all you want for being pugnacious and smug but he’s said it for decades now. No offence to ladies, but Dems – don’t be pussies. It takes Never Trumpers to show us how to fight? Khirad 40 minutes ago
Heard quite clearly from ABC that Trump will NOT invoke the 25th. Says he’s in charge. choicelady 40 minutes ago
PPO – Yes, I saw video of her nose to nose with Barr at the Barrett event, Barr is such a high risk type, I will trade anyone else but Trump for Barr to get very ill from COVID. AdLib 40 minutes ago
glenn, I sure hope Nancy is in a bubnble somewhere, She may just be POTUS in a short while! pinkpantheroz 40 minutes ago
Khirad – the Lincoln Project IS how we fight. It’s never been an even field. This is step one in making the GOP into the pantywaists they really are. choicelady 39 minutes ago
CL–Yup. It is so satisfying to see the RTLB weakened in public. He has always been weak, IMO, but now it’s more public. All I have to say is it’s about damn time his shit caught up with him! glenn 39 minutes ago
CL and PPO…..the ballots are printed, the voting has begun……one ticket will win and one will lose the popular vote and/or the electoral college. If Trump/Pence were to win then Pence will be President because it is a ticket. If both are dead then it will be the House that will decide. MurphTheSurf3 39 minutes ago
You take the high road and I’ll take the low road. I’ll be your Democratic Karl Rove. Kick them in the nuts. Khirad 39 minutes ago
PPO – Trump/Pence wiill stay on all the ballots, they’re all printed already. The electors that are won can be given to whoever the RNC announces as a replacement. AdLib 38 minutes ago
Murph – there is no way Biden can lose the EC this time due to SCOTUS ruling two months ago on NO rogue electors. It’s too late for states to change the laws SCOTUS insists they have to follow. choicelady 38 minutes ago
PPO–Yeah, everyone is urging Nancy to isolate herself, for the sake of “continuity”. glenn 38 minutes ago
CL – Are you doing okay up there wiih all the smoke? AdLib 38 minutes ago
Well, joe bettter win big! pinkpantheroz 38 minutes ago
Ad – I’m inside, so OK. New filters on the AC, but I’m watching it creep up to lethal levels. NOT good! choicelady 37 minutes ago
BY the WAY….I forgot to mention that I am writing this from Milwaukee………at the GOTV project here in Wi. MurphTheSurf3 37 minutes ago
CL, do take care. Are the blazes anywhere near, or is it just the smoke at present? pinkpantheroz 36 minutes ago
So is God really on the side of Trump and the Repubs right now? Kinda looks the other way around, the Devil is getting his due. AdLib 36 minutes ago
I’m about to waiver out, but I’ve noticed. Cancel culture, safe spaces, PC culture, triggers. Well, when I’m in it with conservatives, it’s just so sad that projection isn’t just a sad and shallow pop psychology term. Because the moment you kick back, they get all Ted Cruz. Khirad 36 minutes ago
Please allow me to introduce myself….. pinkpantheroz 36 minutes ago
A month plus a few days for the campaign to work to insure that we do not lose Wi by a few thousand votes but win it by a considerable wave of indignation, outrage and hope. MurphTheSurf3 36 minutes ago
PPO – the closest fires are about 70 miles from here but ARE endangering friends in Santa Rosa who went through it 3 years ago. Creepy. choicelady 35 minutes ago
Murph–Wow! That’s interesting about the House deciding. You’re saying the House decides who will take over from the RTLB/pence? glenn 35 minutes ago
I don’t like Maher anymore, he’s a real creep. But even creeps can be right about things once in a long while. AdLib 35 minutes ago
K….you really do have a Big Way with words. MurphTheSurf3 35 minutes ago
CL – Trump could die and leave a video saying he’s still in charge and deserves re-election. AdLib 34 minutes ago
I’ve been into TYT lately surprisingly. They are more pragmatic than I remember. Khirad 34 minutes ago
Good points, K. choicelady 34 minutes ago
Ad – I think SCOTUS rules on reality not TV or video feeds, don’t you? choicelady 34 minutes ago
Ad, He’d still get millions of votes! pinkpantheroz 34 minutes ago
PPO – Nancy just tested negative. She’s no dooubt staying safe, she may be President Pelosi in a couple of weeks. AdLib 33 minutes ago
Glenn….if Trump is dead Pence moves up…… MurphTheSurf3 33 minutes ago
Okay, folks, check-out time for me. Hope everyone stays safe, see you all next week. glenn 33 minutes ago
Anyway, as always, if you come across flags, that’s my thing. I’m out. Much love. Khirad 33 minutes ago
Night Glenn. MurphTheSurf3 33 minutes ago
Ad, pleasepleaseplease pinkpantheroz 33 minutes ago
‘night glenn! pinkpantheroz 32 minutes ago
Good night, glenn!!! Go GEORGIA! choicelady 32 minutes ago
CL – Glad yoou’re okay but this is awful to hear. AdLib 32 minutes ago
Ad – we WERE in the “can’t sustain life” mode two weeks ago. This is better! choicelady 32 minutes ago
Ad….President Pelosi…..well that would take two lightning strikes….maybe we can get T and P wto wear tinfoil hats. MurphTheSurf3 32 minutes ago
Murph – Excellent! Glad you’re doing such great work in WI! AdLib 32 minutes ago
Murph – are you IN WI now? I’m not seeing what Ad is referring to. choicelady 30 minutes ago
CL – Absolutely, the SCOTUS will have nothing to rule on anyway, Biden will win in a landslide. AdLib 30 minutes ago
ad….just getting starting….I am in the planning group that has developed in plan via meetings on Zoom…..today we met with the volunteer coordinators who are largely phone banking…big doubts about door knocking. MurphTheSurf3 30 minutes ago
Ad – I think that is true. choicelady 30 minutes ago
CL….yes in the Cheese State. Smile! MurphTheSurf3 30 minutes ago
PPO – Yep, millios would still vote for Trump eve if he died but far less than Biden will get. AdLib 30 minutes ago
Murph – can you do knocking and social distancing all at once? I LOVE WI. choicelady 29 minutes ago
SO…wise CL, and Ad and Aussie PPO…..what happens with SCOTUS? MurphTheSurf3 29 minutes ago
Ad – well, it wouldn’t be the first time voters voted for a dead man. Just would be the most pointless. choicelady 29 minutes ago
Murph – Not necessarily, the GOP could pick a completely different candidate than Pence if they wanted if Trump is out. AdLib 29 minutes ago
CL….knocking seems very unlikely…the Trumpers are doing it but there has been a bit of a flashback on that… MurphTheSurf3 28 minutes ago
CL – Talk about the better of two evils! AdLib 28 minutes ago
Ad…..I don’t see that option in my reading. The ticket once promulgated is no longer the party’s holding. Succession rules apply. MurphTheSurf3 27 minutes ago
SCOTUS ruled there can be NO rogue electors. Whatever the state laws are, voters choose electors based on those laws. They cannot now be changed (voting has begun) and can’t be ignored. If PA GOP think they can, they have another think coming. The vote was 9-0. That’s not something they can overcome. choicelady 27 minutes ago
Murph – That Barrett event could have infected Trump and Pence, both could be out of commission. Not far fetched for Pelosi to go to the WH until Jan 20th. AdLib 27 minutes ago
Fantastic Murph! So important in WI! AdLib 27 minutes ago
Story has it that the White House today contacted Pelosi about succession NOW. That’s stunning. choicelady 27 minutes ago
Ad….I beleive that if the ticket that wins no longer exists then the whole thing goes to the House. MurphTheSurf3 26 minutes ago
CL…that Scotus vote is indeed critical. MurphTheSurf3 26 minutes ago
CL – Well, people voted for Trump when he was just dead from the neck up. So this wouldn’t be completely unusual. AdLib 26 minutes ago
Ad if Pence is just quarantined, does that mean he can’t substitute for SCROTUS? pinkpantheroz 26 minutes ago
Murph – knocking is not essential. Maybe door hangers with sanitizer packets? But I get that esp. if people have pushed back against Trumpers. choicelady 25 minutes ago
PPO -= yes. It takes Pence out of any tie vote. choicelady 25 minutes ago
Ad…..Trump is dead from the neck up and Pence from the head down. MurphTheSurf3 25 minutes ago
Murph – Not sure yet but if Senate has rampant infections, that’s one way to stop Barrett. AdLib 25 minutes ago
Yes – the GOP are fond of their dead guys. choicelady 25 minutes ago
We’re sure in for a fascinating few weeks, no? pinkpantheroz 24 minutes ago
Ad – and the GOP brought it on themselves. choicelady 24 minutes ago
Murph – Already researched it, the GOP can replace Trump with whoever they choose, Pence has no power over that. Trump is the GOP’s nominee, they own that slot. AdLib 24 minutes ago
Breaking tonight…VP debate likely going to be in D.C. because Pence cannot leave Washington. MurphTheSurf3 24 minutes ago
PPO – yup, and I’d hoped for peace and quiet! choicelady 24 minutes ago
Murph – wow. That’s interesting. choicelady 23 minutes ago
Ad….where did you get that model re. Party being able to replace nominees. MurphTheSurf3 23 minutes ago
Ad – whom would the GOP choose at this late date? choicelady 23 minutes ago
Murph – Nope, whichever electors are won by the Trump/Biden ticket are pledged to the Repub nom and the GOP can decide who that would be. AdLib 23 minutes ago
I think they will get a total of basically nothing in EC or pop vote if Trump dies. choicelady 22 minutes ago
Ivanka? Doubt it! pinkpantheroz 22 minutes ago
PPO – I just threw up. choicelady 22 minutes ago
Ad….how can a political organization, a party, insert itself into a governmental practice…..I do not find that in any source I have. MurphTheSurf3 22 minutes ago
PPO – No, Pence could still stay inn command if quarantined, as Trump is doing now. Pence would need to get sick. Then President Pelosi could cancel the Barrett nom immediately. AdLib 22 minutes ago
Lindsay? pinkpantheroz 22 minutes ago
Lindsay is losing his senate seat, so maybe. But the GOP don’t want a gay guy closeted or out. choicelady 21 minutes ago
CL – Absolutely, the GOP did bring this on themselves. They deserve to be destroyed and a minority, out of power party for a very long time. AdLib 21 minutes ago
So Cruz is out then! pinkpantheroz 21 minutes ago
I’d bet on them picking Romney. choicelady 21 minutes ago
Oh, not Flipper again? pinkpantheroz 20 minutes ago
LOL – not Cruz, nope. choicelady 20 minutes ago
Ad…President Pelosi is only possible if both Trump and Pence are out of office….how is that done and by whom? The 25th amendment is dependent on cabinet action. Failing that it takes a super majority in the Senate. MurphTheSurf3 20 minutes ago
Well, if both of them DIE, the 25th is irrelevant. It’s only incapacity that invokes the 25th. choicelady 20 minutes ago
Murph – Read an article this week, major magazine, can’t remember which one now, which laid this all out. Remember, voters are voting for a Dem or Repub candidate. It’s on the ballot, the candidates are who the party chooses, through primaries but they can use any method. That slot that Trump is in is the Republican slot, the party is putting him up. They can change their mind at any time. AdLib 18 minutes ago
Despite my work for a faith organization, I don’t believe in divine intervention. However…I wish I did because this is too weird to explain. choicelady 18 minutes ago
CL a dual death makes things neater, yes. MurphTheSurf3 18 minutes ago
OK, folks that’s it for me. Wow! What a week ahead. See you then. Summer time finishes tonight. pinkpantheroz 18 minutes ago
good night PPO – may your summer not suck as much as last or as much as ours. Stay safe! choicelady 17 minutes ago
thanks, cl. we’re sweating alrady! pinkpantheroz 17 minutes ago
PPO – I’m so sorry that’s happening!~ choicelady 17 minutes ago
Murph – If both Trump and Pence are incapacitated, on ventilators or even dead, then yes, the 25th Amendment comes into play and Repubs may try to avoid it but endangers the nnation with no president. No one would be iin charge, it would be insane. No excuse would work. AdLib 16 minutes ago
Ad….ah….so you are operating from the principal that as long as the person being replace is still a candidate, prior to election day in other words, they can be replace by the party. That is so. However, if the death occurs after the election then the order of succession holds for the ticket, if there is no succession available it goes to the House. MurphTheSurf3 16 minutes ago
Take care PPO MurphTheSurf3 16 minutes ago
This is so screwed. Trump can’t win now – he’s lost his one attribute – manliness. He has been brought low by a hoax virus, and that is going to turn off his cult. choicelady 15 minutes ago
I want to point out that this discussion about the possible mess in this election re. succession is yet another example of how lame our document of governance is, the sacred U.S. Constitution. A mess. MurphTheSurf3 14 minutes ago
Yes Murph, I’m pretty sure that they ought to replace the candidate before the election. But until the electors assemble, they are stiill candidates so theoretically Trump could be replaced after the election tooo, if he was dead or incapacitated. AdLib 14 minutes ago
Ad….all of this is so undefined, or so badly defined that interpretations like you and I are tossing about are really more conjecture than paradigm. MurphTheSurf3 13 minutes ago
CL – Bingo! Trump is no longer the invulnerable Alpha male. He is a weak and helpless man, destroys hiis myths forever. AdLib 13 minutes ago
Murph – what I’m learning is that the document is the START. Statute and case law have shaped SO MUCH of what we do in gov’t, but we, the people have no clue. It’s not that we don’t have guidance. It’s that we aren’t informed what that IS. choicelady 13 minutes ago
Murph – If you mean the candidate thing is undefined, that’s not the case. It’s as basic as recognizing that there is a Dem slot and a Repub slot on the presidential ballot annd they allow primaries to decide but the party is the ultimate party on the ballot. AdLib 11 minutes ago
I’m doing code research for a victim of CPS over reach and her attorney. He handles the case law, I handle the state codes. Codes, like the Constitution, are the START, not the end of the law. choicelady 11 minutes ago
Recall that the Framers in one short summer tossed together a working document that could be given a vote of support to replace the wholly horrid Articles of Confederation in face of grave threats to the republic. The work was to continue in further conventions. never happened. MurphTheSurf3 11 minutes ago
Murph – Just sayiing, it’s very clear, it’s been laid out in articles and viewing ballot spots as party held slots makes it all very clear. AdLib 11 minutes ago
Murph – the courts went on to build, brick by brick, how the Constitution and state constitutions were to be interpreted. It’s a real strength because while stare decisis is important, it’s not rigid and laws can change w circumstances. We don’t need another Con Con to make that happen. We DO need better knowledge of what HAS happened and how courts have decided. choicelady 10 minutes ago
Ad….once the election takes place…..we are in very undefined territory. At that point the office is consigned to a person and their party affiliation is not longer setting the norm. If the slot is empty because of a death we are in uncharted territory. MurphTheSurf3 9 minutes ago
Murph – Completely agree, the Coonstitution was supposed to be an ever-evolving document and instead we have this incomplete and outdated document that’s good in some areas, bad in others and MIA in the rest. AdLib 9 minutes ago
Murph – I don’t think so. Look at Harrison’s death. Look at issues of succession. We never had TWO, but we have processes in place in statute that carry out the Constitution.’ choicelady 8 minutes ago
Ad – it’s NOT outdated when the courts ACT on it. choicelady 8 minutes ago
Murph – No, that’s not true. The election is not decided until electors meet and choose the president. Not before that. AdLib 8 minutes ago
Statutory law is a powerful manifestation of Constitutional evolution. choicelady 8 minutes ago
CL….what you define re. the brick by brick creation is true but it is a brilliant improvisation that has often failed to address extraordinary problems (like the Louisiana Purchase, Slavery, the Robber Barons of the Gilded Age et.al). MurphTheSurf3 7 minutes ago
CL – Some principles are not outdated but the 2nd Amendment is among many that are. AdLib 7 minutes ago
That is exactly how we did address those issues. I would argue the 2A is actually clear and interpretations suck. choicelady 6 minutes ago
We can act on anything via court findings AND statues that make the laws manifest for contemporary times. choicelady 6 minutes ago
That doesn’t mean we won’t disagree – Scalia was wrong on the 2A. But overall the courts have held both parts ARE essential, and states can make changes to the laws on guns without doing violence to the 2A. choicelady 5 minutes ago
CL – I’d argue that we shuldn’t have a well armed and regulated militia in the modern day. We have far more modern systems for law enforcement annd military defense. AdLib 5 minutes ago
CL…Harrison died shortly after being inaugurated and the succession was in place……the question is that if the president-elect dies before inauguration does the vp-elect succeed. Maybe, maybe not. Undefined and no precedent. MurphTheSurf3 5 minutes ago
The 2nd Amendment should be repealed. AdLib 4 minutes ago
That is correct – and that IS the ‘well regulated militia” the National Guard. Period. Not Kyle Rittenhouse. choicelady 4 minutes ago
One of my colleagues here is reading over my shoulder and she just whispered to me “Murph, you such interesting friends!” I do. MurphTheSurf3 3 minutes ago
The Congress could pass laws protectig the right of Americans to own guns but only in responsible ways and outlaw weapons of mass murder. AdLib 3 minutes ago
Think it is time to go….it has really been fun! I see CL has left the building….so a wave to Ad. Good night. A long Saturday awaits. MurphTheSurf3 2 minutes ago
I say this totally objectively, I like your friend Murph. AdLib 2 minutes ago
WordPress kicked me out and made me sign in again. Rats. Good to see you, Murph – enjoy WI. I love it there. Not all of it but most of it. choicelady 2 minutes ago
CL is back but you’ve been doing great work, Murph! Get some rest! AdLib 2 minutes ago
She is fun! ANd so are we…..OH! CL is back….read the comment from my friend a few lines up. MurphTheSurf3 2 minutes ago
CL – Sorry about that! AdLib a minute ago
CL….here it is….”One of my colleagues here is reading over my shoulder and she just whispered to me “Murph, you such interesting friends!” I do.” MurphTheSurf3 a minute ago
I will bid adieu, too. It’s been a long day. Little sleep. I am back, so good night! Be well, both of you. Next week I hope. choicelady a minute ago
And we do in you, Murph! choicelady a minute ago
Night CL! Stay safe! AdLib a few seconds ago
Fare thee well! MurphTheSurf3 a few seconds ago
You, too. I hear rumors of rain next week!!!! choicelady a few seconds ago
Murph – That is a diffiicult circumstance. AdLib a few seconds ago
Night! choicelady a few seconds ago
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