Vox Populi – 10-11-2019

VOX Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00Pm PDT. Hope to see you then! AdLib 4 hours ago

Hey PPO! AdLib 2 hours ago

se u soon, ad pinkpantheroz 2 hours ago

See you then1 AdLib 2 hours ago

Good evening. Am I the first one here? glenn an hour ago

Hi, glenn! Juggling a bit here. sorry! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hey PPO, how are you? How is Fergie? glenn an hour ago

Fergie’s fine, thanks. Oncologist visit positive, no sign of anything pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad–Hope you have electricity to communicate with us tonight…. glenn an hour ago

We’re both loke old springs, no big bounces, more a creak and a groan! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO–Good to hear. glenn an hour ago

Good to hear about Fergie….as for the old springs, I get it. I feel the same. glenn an hour ago

Waiting for Murph to tell us how the farmers are taking Frump’s backdown on the tariffs! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Oh no,I missed that one. You mean the farmers aren’t getting any more tariffs? glenn an hour ago

Hey! AdLib an hour ago

He’s worked a handshake deal to back off the trade war pinkpantheroz an hour ago

That’s good news PPO! AdLib an hour ago

Hi Ad. Have you missed the blackouts? glenn an hour ago

Yes, ad, our ABC (like the BBC, only truthful) are reporting 50 billion sales of Ag products to China pinkpantheroz an hour ago

glenn – I have electricity but that big fire is just 15 miles away from us but will never comme our way. AdLib an hour ago

PPO–Oh that’s just great. We all know how much the TLB’s handshake and word means. Absolutely nothing. So, now farmers can sell their goods to China again? glenn an hour ago

PPO–Whose ag products? US or Australia? glenn an hour ago

US pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad–if the fire is only 15 miles away, you must be getting a lot of smoke, yes? glenn an hour ago

PPO – The trade “deal” is phony, Trump is cowering from the impeachment walls closing in and has pulled off the table all the important issues that he was supposedly going to resolve with his trade war. No deal needed now, just going back to where we were…after all the economic destruction his idiocy has caused. AdLib an hour ago

No tariffs were imposed by AUS. They know which side of the bread is buttered. China owns 50% of AUS anyway! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad, True, but will his dumbass cult recognize it as such? Doubt it pinkpantheroz an hour ago

glenn – Yep, no blackout here. They did shut off power in Porter Ranch, where the fire started and up north near San Francisco to prevent a fire like the Camp Fire but not in SF proper or LA. AdLib an hour ago

Ad, how utterly dumb is it to shut down power to thousands in case a fire might start somewhere? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad–that is the typical TLB “Art of the Deal”, isn’t it? Create a problem where none exists, tweet how horrible everything is unless he “fixes” it, no one goes along with his nonsense, then drop the “fix” and declare everything is all right, because we’re back to where we were in the first place. Or just give the “fix” a new name, and declare everything is great! glenn an hour ago

glenn – Yes, a lot of smoke in the air though the wind is blowing away from us so it could have been smokier. AdLib an hour ago

PPO–China owns quite a bit of many countries, I think. glenn an hour ago

PPO – Trump’s dumbass cult wouldn’t recognize if their face was on fire. AdLib an hour ago

Ad,

pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad–good to hear that you have favorable winds. glenn an hour ago

Ad, so all of the heartache, farm bankruptcies, suicides, dislocations, all for nothing. Damn the man. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

glenn, it almost owns Apple and Amazin now. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Amazon pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO – The stupidity of greed. Since PG&E was sued into bankruptcy after causing the Camp Fire, they didn’t invest in putting powwer lines underground so wind can’t blow them over to start fires, they just turn off the power when we have our annual strong winds (The Santa Ana Winds, from the desert). This is outrageous and only points out the importance of building up solar and other non-grid sources for power. AdLib an hour ago

Hey Murph! AdLib an hour ago

Ad–you know, your comment could apply to the TLB’s cultists. The TLB puts a lot of smoke in the air; foxsocallednews blows the smoke away with their lies, distortions, and bullshit, so the cultists say it could have been worse, but we still believe in the TLB. glenn an hour ago

Hey Murph–feeling better tonight? glenn an hour ago

Hi Gang! MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Much better, thank you. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

glenn – As long as the eventual Dem nom and the DNC run commercials showing how every deal Trump tries to make blows up, only his cult members will buy his spin on losing once again. AdLib an hour ago

Ad–is CA building up solar and other non-grid sources? glenn an hour ago

Murph! How is your health? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO…much better thank you. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

PPO – Yep, all for nothing. Trump has ruined lives and the future of our economy…for nothing. AdLib an hour ago

Ad, shout it from the rooftops pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad–sure hope Dems run some of those ads. I wish the media would quit interviewing the TLB’s cultists. So many of them keep saying that they don’t care what the TLB does (or doesn’t do), they’re sticking with him. glenn an hour ago

glenn – Trump’s cult is a bit like a wildfire, maybe that’s why they look like a hot mess? AdLib an hour ago

Glad you’re feeling better Murph! AdLib an hour ago

Ad–ain’t that the truth? They definitely are a hot mess! glenn an hour ago

Murph–so glad you’re feeling better! glenn an hour ago

Shep Smith is gone from Fox. Did Murdoch agree to dump him during his meeting with Trump, or did Shep just walk. I hope the latter. pinkpantheroz an hour ago

As I have been sharing with people here who are dismayed by Trump moves that seem to be self destructive that he is a man who has been a failure for long, long time in every endeavor he has ever undertaken. His only real skill is that of nefarious side dealing supported by a sublime skill as a lying worker of his own self image. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Harleigh! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Howdy Harleigh MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph, how are your neighbors taking the surrender of tariffs? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

hey folks!!! Harleigh an hour ago

PPO–According to what Smith said on air, he wanted to resign a while ago; fox talked him into staying; he finally had it, so he’s gone. Who knows what the truth is? But the right has spun conspiracy theories out of much less than Murdock meeting with Barr, and days later, Smith is gone. There’s a conspiracy theory in there somewhere, if only we had Glenn Beck’s blackboard to figure it out! glenn an hour ago

Hey Harleigh! glenn an hour ago

Murph–Yes, the TLB is a failure all the way around. Hopefully, this time he has to pay the consequences of his failure(s). glenn an hour ago

Shep killed Rich Seth and is going on the run…. LOL Harleigh an hour ago

glenn, riiiiight! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO…the tariffs….my neighbors….totally baffled….common line by the true believers is that all this is how he plays his opponents and that he will triumph in the end with the loyal support of the folks in the trenches…..others, who are not so wed to him are really started to doubt the man….not enough of them and not fast enough. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

glenn – Not so much non-grid but solar and wind energy is very big out here. I have solar on my house. What I would like to see though is de-centralization of energy, so people can generate their own energy via their home and a battery system. The savings compared to the vast amount of energy lost due to transmission over the grid would be so much more efficient. As it is, we’re still connected to the grid and the energy we produce goes to the DWP which credits us back for it and banks unused energy. They do have battery systems but they’re still a bit expensive and still wouldn’t change being on the grid, would just provide a backup if power went out. AdLib an hour ago

Harleigh–that’s as good a theory as any. I think Soros paid Smith, too. glenn an hour ago

Murph, sounds warped enough! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO…oh, it is. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

glenn – I am past my toleration of watching one more Trump cultist speak a single word. I don’t care about them anymore, they can follow Trump into Hell, I hope they do as a matter of fact. I only want to give energy and attention to decent human beings who care about others and the country. AdLib an hour ago

Hey Harleigh! AdLib an hour ago

I wonder when the Polling Dept at Fox will be skewered and compelled to craft polls that support the Fox worldview? MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph–typical of the TLB. Baffle them with bullshit until they don’t know how anything works; how anything is supposed to be; what’s legal or not; etc., etc. Then after they’re buried in bullshit, declare victory! Voila! Problem solved! glenn an hour ago

Glenn,,,,when you cannot dazzle, baffle. You got it. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Spanky’s support is waning since he pulled out of the ISIS fight and abandoned the Kurds. Harleigh an hour ago

With oyu on that, Ad. Wonder hhow they justify using troops as mercenary cannon fodder for the Saudis, when they won’t protect the Kurds. Is the WH converting to Islam and only helping Muslims? I thinnk we should be told! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hellllooooo – how is everyone tonight? choicelady an hour ago

CL! Wow, Hi! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Ad–The energy companies will fight to the death to retain their monopolies/centralization of power. It’s going to take many years, I believe, until we get solar on a large enough scale to make it cost effective for energy companies. glenn an hour ago

Harleigh….the military folk around here are tying themselves in knots to find a way to make sense of the betrayal of the kurds. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Hey PPO – how are things, down under? choicelady an hour ago

PPO – It was Barr who met with Murdoch, possibly to insist that Shep be thrown out and Fox deliver 100% propaganda support for Trump. How is it legit for the AG of the US to meet with the owner of a propaganda news channel? What legal issue would justify that? The answer is none. Barr is as crooked as Trump. AdLib an hour ago

Hey, choice…..we may have to expand to the adjacent room with this crowd. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Hi CL!!! Harleigh an hour ago

CL–So good to hear from you! How are you? glenn an hour ago

Barr is worthy of impeachment as well. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Hi Harleigh!, glenn! Murph and Adlib – good to see you. choicelady an hour ago

Doing OK here, thanks CL. Fergie has all clear from oncologists and we’re muttering along with 3 eyes, 3 arms and 3 legs between us! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO – my brother and SIL are in your neck of the woods. KATIE BAR THE DOOR! choicelady an hour ago

Oh, where are they, cl? pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Murph–once again, tying themselves in knots trying out to figure out the TLB, when the simplest answer is the answer. The TLB allies himself with dictators like Erdogen and Putin, so he thinks he makes himself look strong. It’s really very simple; he doesn’t care one whit about Kurds or any of our allies. glenn an hour ago

PPO….I did not catch your news about Fergie. I am happy for you both. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

Murph – I wonder what the Trumpers in your community think of Giuliani’s buddies going down with him likely to follow. A president with two consecutive lawyers acting as criminals? They think that’s a coincidence? AdLib an hour ago

Hey CL! AdLib an hour ago

PPO – that’s GREAT news even if you’re short an arm or two. My grandfather blew his arm off, 1901, with a flashpowder tray explosion while doing photography. Never slowed him down. So anything that still functions, all good. choicelady an hour ago

Murph, annual checkup with oncologist to make sure it hasn’t recurred. all clear, DG pinkpantheroz an hour ago

Hey Ad. Here’s lookin’ at you. BTW – reservartion at 4:30 in my name. choicelady an hour ago

Ad…you presume they even know about that…..arrogance, stupidity, ignorance……..Trumps most powerful allies. MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

glenn – All respect to Shep, I think he had to say what he did. It is not reflective of the truth when he suddenly has to leave the same day. AdLib an hour ago

ashame to let ISIS make a comeback while the Turks murder the Kurds though. Harleigh an hour ago

How about Oh, Vienna! with Rudi and crooks anonymous! pinkpantheroz an hour ago

PPO – no clue where my sibs are. They landed in Sydney, went on from there. They are remarkably non communicative even as my SIL takes ANY info about me and spreads it far and wide in her Christmas letters. OK – I’m in therapy for this…. choicelady an hour ago

Ad–of course, Shep had to say that. Did you also catch that he can’t work for another news organization for a while? I forget how long it is. That is the interesting part, IMO. Anyway, that’s why I told PPO that we probably will never know what really happened. We certainly can’t trust Barr or Murdoch to tell the truth. glenn an hour ago

I was fascinated today to see Marie Yovanovitch show up and engage for 10 hours. The subpoena gave her the leverage she needed to defy Pompeo’s instructions…or so I think. She is the first of many. Let’s here it for the real deep state! MurphTheSurf3 an hour ago

HArleigh – I have friends who are Kurds, who fought for and with them, and I am aghast at this vile action of this corrupt and foetid pretender. choicelady 44 minutes ago

glenn, why? its not like Fox is a real News station pinkpantheroz 44 minutes ago

Murph – Yovanovitch purely ROCKS. choicelady 44 minutes ago

Murph – And they will be unhappy to find out that all they get now are reduced sales to China and nothing else. AdLib 44 minutes ago

I said earlier…I wonder when the Purge of Fox Polling will happen….the Trump Organ must be purified (yes double entendre) MurphTheSurf3 43 minutes ago

CL thats ashame. Harleigh 43 minutes ago

All I can say is that it is miraculous how dedicated Civil Servants keep the countey going despite the crooks in the WH and Congress. pinkpantheroz 43 minutes ago

Harleigh – yes. It is. choicelady 43 minutes ago

Murph–Yes, I think it took courage for Yavanovich to testify today. I watched a little bit of Christ Hayes, and he says she is still employed by the US government, just not in her former position. Do you think the EU ambassador will show up next week? glenn 43 minutes ago

Ad….and they are getting only a portion of the bailout money they expected since Agri-business has the first claim on it. MurphTheSurf3 42 minutes ago

PPO – Trump has engaged the US in mass murder and ethnic cleansing. Not to mention the re-birth of ISIS. Maybe “America First” describes which country is going down the drain. AdLib 42 minutes ago

CL – We’re set! AdLib 42 minutes ago

Glenn….the EU drone is a Trump supporter (big bucks) and is less likely to comply. MurphTheSurf3 42 minutes ago

CL–There are many military and intelligence people who agree with you about the TLB (TLB is my name for trump–stands for the Treasonous Lying Bully). glenn 42 minutes ago

PPO – many people in the US gov’t took heart from Canada under Harper and built “Alt” sites from DAY ONE. They are hiding and preserving data, are whistleblowers, are carrying out LEGAL policy for us all. They are underpraised, unsung, heroes. choicelady 42 minutes ago

true ad Harleigh 42 minutes ago

glenn =TLB is perfect. And yes, I know this is true. choicelady 41 minutes ago

cl, real heroes pinkpantheroz 41 minutes ago

PPO = Canada, US – yes, they are. choicelady 41 minutes ago

PPO–I agree…fox is not a real news station. But they have prevented Smith from working for a real news outlet for a specified period of time. glenn 41 minutes ago

CL….there is a former farm agent here who says the same thing is happening in Ag Dept…..the leaks are less dramatic but are actually getting to many in Trumpland. MurphTheSurf3 40 minutes ago

Ad–Agreed. All the TLB’s trade war did was give China leverage to pay less to American farmers. He’s such a putz! glenn 39 minutes ago

glenn – That’s a non-compete clause that many businesses force on employees, especially those with unique expertise who knw details about the corporate workings. It could be a 1 or 2 year non-compete. I guess he’ll write a book in the meantime? AdLib 39 minutes ago

We are in a global fight for our lives. Paul Hawken in “Blessed Unrest” documented democratic risings globally. In a related video he positied either we will prevail or we will be crushed. I think it’s clear at least we won’t go down without a fight! choicelady 39 minutes ago

Pompeo looks like the personification of Trump’s hubris. AdLib 39 minutes ago

Ad–good one! America First refers to going down the drain!. glenn 39 minutes ago

Ad and Glenn….I heard today that Shep is likely to join a media thinktank as a consultant and writer. MurphTheSurf3 39 minutes ago

Murph – that warms the cockeles of my heart! choicelady 38 minutes ago

Ad, he could always write a fictional nove about a fictional ‘news’ organization! pinkpantheroz 38 minutes ago

CL–those whistle blowers need to start blowing those whistles loudly and now. glenn 38 minutes ago

PPO….isn’t Fox already a “fictional” news organization. MurphTheSurf3 38 minutes ago

All – what scares me is that The Donald is a dolt. He may currently be “The Chosen”, but when he goes, how gullible are th racist Americans for another who isn’t stupid? choicelady 37 minutes ago

Double, double, Murph! pinkpantheroz 36 minutes ago

Murph and CL–the only way to get through to SOME TLB cultists is through other cultists who have left the cult. They are the only ones who can de-program the cultists. glenn 36 minutes ago

Yavonovich, a naturalized citizen is braver and more patriotic than the entire GOP, Trump included. And more whistleblowers are following the lead of those who have come out. The avalanche is happening! Especially with Giuliani on the bubble of being arrested! AdLib 36 minutes ago

CL…..and there is the power of stupidity, ignorance, and arrogance….delusion is the result…. MurphTheSurf3 36 minutes ago

faux won the right to lie in floriduh courts and called their brand of ‘news’ entertainment. Harleigh 36 minutes ago

glenn – you have a solid point on whom we need to do the revitalization of democracy and diversity. GOOD POINT! choicelady 36 minutes ago

Ad, the sooner arrest of the higher-ups happens, the better pinkpantheroz 35 minutes ago

Ad–I sure hope Smith writes a book in the meantime. glenn 35 minutes ago

Glenn….cultists who leave are branded as traitors and you know what Trumpistas think should be done with traitors. MurphTheSurf3 35 minutes ago

Can’t wait to see Guiliani arrested! Think he’ll go quietly? glenn 34 minutes ago

unfortunatley Dolt45 will paint the whisleblowers as being another Snowden. Harleigh 34 minutes ago

glenn – I SO want Giuliani in orange! choicelady 33 minutes ago

I fear that after Brokeahontas is gone, it will take years to restore normalcy to the US, if it ever can. The racist, White Supremacist Nazi genie is out of the bottle. pinkpantheroz 33 minutes ago

HArligh – I don’t think Dolt45 can sustain his lies, perversions anymore. choicelady 33 minutes ago

yep Harleigh 33 minutes ago

CL–Thanks. The cultists are immune to facts and logic, and many of them will, as Murph says, brand those out of the cult as traitors. However, I do think some of them are reaching their breaking point, and the only ones who can reach them are the former believers. glenn 33 minutes ago

Did you see Trump today? Suddenly he doesn’t know if Giuliani is his lawyer! This is actually pretty hilarious…though not for Rudy, Trump says this just before he drives the bus over a crony. AdLib 32 minutes ago

PPO =- that white supremicist group has been around for decades. I think we can stuff it back in the bottle. It’s LOSING steam now. I could not be more happy! choicelady 32 minutes ago

One of the essential Trump ploys in the past has been to go underground when things got too difficult- go “dark” as it were. Look at the pattern in his bankruptcies and then emerge with a narrative that “explains” those failures as “deals”……he cannot do that as President…except as Nixon did it….locked away in his private study listening to the tapes with booze flowing. a fire in fireplace and the AC on superhigh because it was summer. Madness is an out. MurphTheSurf3 32 minutes ago

Ad – 45 doesn’t know if Giuliani is HIS LAWYER??????? choicelady 31 minutes ago

Glenn…the apostate cultists who might have an effect on other cultists are those who are part of the family. I am seeing some of that. MurphTheSurf3 31 minutes ago

Murph–yes, they will be branded as traitors. As I said to CL, I do think there are a few who are beginning to see the light, and the only ones who can bring them truly out of the cult are the former believers. They talk the same language, for one thing. glenn 31 minutes ago

Murph – The Trump cultists will never be made whole, they are willing rubes and no one will ever be able to explain ignorance to people to ignorant to know they’re ignorant. AdLib 31 minutes ago

Murph – yes, that is EXACTLY how I remember Nixon ’74! choicelady 31 minutes ago

cohen was the coffeeboy… or covfefe Harleigh 31 minutes ago

Ad..that is how Trump does it….ala Cohen….distance himself and then disassociate. MurphTheSurf3 30 minutes ago

Miller and Bannon are still in the shadows – need to be exposed during the Wirch Hunt! pinkpantheroz 30 minutes ago

Ad,,,that is how I read the cultists as well. MurphTheSurf3 30 minutes ago

CL – Today he wouldn’t confirm that Giuiani is still his lawyer, he said, “He has been” when asked if he was now. So pathetic. AdLib 29 minutes ago

pinkpantheroz 29 minutes ago

Near enough? pinkpantheroz 28 minutes ago

PPO…Rudy’s biggest hits…..and he has never been more impressive. MurphTheSurf3 28 minutes ago

Rudi in orange, cl! pinkpantheroz 27 minutes ago

Ad – that IS pathetic. “Oh, no , I have NOTHING to do with that person I used to call my BFF!” choicelady 27 minutes ago

“Trump says he doesn’t know if Rudy Giuliani is still his lawyer amid reports that Giuliani is under federal investigation” https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-distances-himself-rudy-giuliani-sdny-criminal-investigation-2019-10 AdLib 26 minutes ago

PPO – Rudy in orange clashes with his moldy bottom teeth. Guess he was too cheap to get them ALL whitenened! choicelady 26 minutes ago

Remember Gules moniker as “America’s Mayor” post 9/11….as someone who live in NJ when that happened I knew a few things: Gul’s was on the street because the emergency command center was moved from city hall to the Towers BY GUL’s. All of those firefighters who died in the Towers did not get the evacuate order because their comm systems upgrade had been cut from the budget by Gul’s….there is more…he was and is a fraud. MurphTheSurf3 26 minutes ago

By tomrrow, Trump will insist Rudy was just the coffee boy. AdLib 26 minutes ago

Teeth permanently brown from all the shite passing through, CL pinkpantheroz 25 minutes ago

Ad – when Jr. , Ivanka and Eric go down, will Trump say he ‘barely knew them”? choicelady 25 minutes ago

Ad…or coffee drag queen MurphTheSurf3 25 minutes ago

PPO =- Bingo. You nailed that. choicelady 25 minutes ago

well i’m fading out folks. good seeing y’all again!!! later Harleigh 25 minutes ago

g’night, Harleigh pinkpantheroz 24 minutes ago

G’night Harligh – you easterners do need your rest. We’re far behind, but we WILL catch up. Sweet dreams, dear friend. choicelady 24 minutes ago

Ad–yes the cultists will (hopefully) go back under their rocks once the TLB is gone. We will never be rid of them, nor will they ever change their minds. glenn 24 minutes ago

glenn, but at least they won’t have the chance to spout their hatred as much. Easier on the ears then pinkpantheroz 24 minutes ago

I know a judge rather well….also a professor of law at a prestigious university…he says that even the judges Trump has named are going to have no choice but to back the law and not the man if they do not want to become targets for removal themselves and to have their tenures labeled as treacherous. MurphTheSurf3 23 minutes ago

Murph – That is all factual. Rudy helped cause the deaths of first responders then took credit for everything he could in the aftermath. He was and is a phony but now, breaking laws means being behind bars. How satisfying will that be? Almost as much as as Trump being behind bars. AdLib 23 minutes ago

Murph–I do think the comparisons to Nixon are fair, up to a point. Although I see a couple of pundits predicting that the TLB will resign, I don’t see that happening, do you? glenn 23 minutes ago

glenn – we suppressed the extremists friom 1964 (CRA) to 1981. We kept them at bay from then on until Clinton. We can do this again. Enforcing hate crimes and terorist laws does help. We are NOT doing it that much now. choicelady 23 minutes ago

CL – I bet Trump really doesn’t know his kids well, aside from the one he fantasizes about. AdLib 22 minutes ago

Ad- LOL!! And GAG at the same time! choicelady 22 minutes ago

cl, I think he won’t go unless frogmarched out the door in handcuffs pinkpantheroz 22 minutes ago

PPO – I think you’re correct. I don’t think he will resign. And if he did – I’m not sure Pence would pardon him! choicelady 21 minutes ago

Ad….the firefighters I knew from NYC hated him. MurphTheSurf3 21 minutes ago

cl, Pence may not be in any position to – it might just be President Pelosi with the power, and yeah, that’ll happen! pinkpantheroz 21 minutes ago

Murph – The only RW judge on the SCOTUS I think will have to follow precedent against Trump is Roberts. If Roberts doesn’t, the US becomes a dictator ship, checks and balances are gone and the SCOTUS is nothing more than a social club. Does Roberts want to be the Chief Justice who drowns the SCOTUS? I don’t think so, he cares about his legacy. AdLib 20 minutes ago

Murph–agree completely. Rudy is just as much a fraud as the TLB, and until recently, almost as good as perpetrating that fraud upon the American people, by telling us how great he is. However, since being taken over by the TLB, he has just lost it, pitifully and in full view of the public. glenn 20 minutes ago

I believe that, Murph! AdLib 19 minutes ago

PPO–Yup. They’ll blow from their holes on their right-wing hate sites, but hopefully, the press will quit covering them. glenn 19 minutes ago

Glenn….my comparison to Nixon is one that points to madness as a way for Nixon/Trump to escape. Will he resign? If he can create an excuse that makes him the hero…yeah…..he has run everytime things have gotten too hot. MurphTheSurf3 19 minutes ago

How is everyone feeling about impeachment? Is there a chance that Trump could be removed after the articles are approved? AdLib 18 minutes ago

CL…I have to wonder if Pence rather quietly hates Trump for the boxes he has been forced to inhabit. MurphTheSurf3 18 minutes ago

CL–Hopefully, we can get back to suppressing them and keeping them at bay, because they sure aren’t going away. glenn 18 minutes ago

Ad, there has to be, otherwise what is the point, and why couldn’t it work? pinkpantheroz 18 minutes ago

Ad…Roberts will do as you say…but I was speaking of the long list of fed judges below the Supremes. MurphTheSurf3 17 minutes ago

Murph – I’ve had a thought about Trump since the 2016 campaign. Trump thought he was Reagan (even stole his MAGA quote) but all the time, he was Nixon. AdLib 17 minutes ago

Murph – Giuliani did a no bid contract w Motorola on phones. They were poor quality, and his payback to his funders, Motorola, was massively responsible for the loss of life on 9/11./ They could not and did not learn of the second strike while they were IN the buildings. So many died because Giuliani purchased crap phones, set the command center for emergencies IN the twin towers, was stupid, venal, and awful every step of the way. I know firefighters nationally opposed his candidacy everywhere. choicelady 16 minutes ago

CL…the suppression of the crazies that you cite was easier in pre-internet life was it not?\ MurphTheSurf3 16 minutes ago

Murph – worse than Nixon. OMG wha a legacy. choicelady 16 minutes ago

Murph–The TLB will never, ever use madness as an excuse to resign, IMO. Also, I disagree slightly as to him creating an excuse to be a hero. If he can create an excuse to be an even greater martyr than he thinks he is now, perhaps that will force his resignation. I do agree that he has always run when things have gotten too tough for him. glenn 16 minutes ago

Murph – maybe, and it is worrisome. choicelady 15 minutes ago

All I can say, Murph, is thank goodness I never signed up for Facebook. pinkpantheroz 15 minutes ago

I don’t think Trump ever resigns, he doesn’t recognize reality as Nixon did. Even now, with the walls closing in around him, he thinks impeachment will end up heling him get re-elected (at least part of him does). I can imagine Trump pushing it to the end, refusing to go until the US Marshalls come to drag him out then he will sneak away and claim he quit because it’s all a sham and Deep State and anyway, it’s a win for him. AdLib 15 minutes ago

Ad…but Nixon knew the Law and in the end he was compelled by it to abandon the WH….Trump has no such device in place. MurphTheSurf3 15 minutes ago

glenn, Some eejit was boasting that trump thrives on competition and pressure. I don’t see it myself. pinkpantheroz 14 minutes ago

CL….all of that true and it was barely reported…..such details would have sullied the hero-ethos in place post 9/11…. MurphTheSurf3 13 minutes ago

Ad and Murph – I think we will see either Secret Service of fed marshalls dragging him out Jan. 2021. He cannot stop the inauguration of who actually wins; it’s at the CAPITOL over which he has no control. So I envision him being cuffed, dragged to the underground garage, and removed quietly to some residence maybe on an unclaimed desrted island. choicelady 13 minutes ago

Murph – Look at the judge on the DC Court that Trump appointed, she’s a nutjob who in the past said there is no such thing as racial discrimination and in this case, desented claiming that Congress can’t investigate a president’s crimes unless it’s through impeachment. All precedent and cases contradict that, she is a real nutjob. AdLib 13 minutes ago

Murph – the firefighters took the shine off Giuliani’s self promotion. choicelady 12 minutes ago

CL…I love you inaugural scenario……a perp walk to end all perp walks MurphTheSurf3 12 minutes ago

CL – That is sad proof of how corruption destroys lives. At least this time it will be Rudy’s. AdLib 12 minutes ago

Ad–my gut on impeachment is the same as it was last week. He will be definitely be impeached in the House, but I don’t think we are going to get 20 repubs to convict in the Senate. The turtle has been awfully quiet lately, so who knows what he’s cooking up? There is a chance of the TLB being removed from office, but it’s definitely a long shot. glenn 12 minutes ago

Ad…the nut job is a nut job…..granted….but many others are not…reactionaries, yes, but with a sense of self survival (or so says my jurist friend) MurphTheSurf3 11 minutes ago

Well, folks, time for my chores. What Chores? I’ll have a scotch and cola! Cheers, all till next week pinkpantheroz 10 minutes ago

Murph – Nixon was given an ultimatum by Repub Senators that he would be impeached and removed so he knew it was over. Trump is delusional so even if he was told that, he’d refuse to accept it. Even after losing a vote for removal. Not that I’m confident Repub Senators will vote to convict him but then, they become collaborators in his crimes and will lose big in 2020. AdLib 9 minutes ago

Seeya PPO! AdLib 9 minutes ago

PPO–Not so much as the TLB “thrives” on pressure; just that he recognizes it and slashes out whenever he can. I do think he thrives on calling people names and feeling superior to everyone else. That’s his MO, and that’s what his cultists love–his “feisty” nature. glenn 8 minutes ago

Ad…impeachment is a sure thing (the only question is how many articles) but conviction? It all depends on how certain endangered GOP Senators become…..which may rest on how they vote in the trial. A GOP committee woman I know says that even a handful of such senators will ruin Trump’s chances of being renominated. Something I had not considered. MurphTheSurf3 8 minutes ago

G’nigh PPO! choicelady 8 minutes ago

Night…..my Oz Friend. MurphTheSurf3 8 minutes ago

This has been a good night of discussion….enjoyed it “bigly”. MurphTheSurf3 7 minutes ago

CL – I would love to see that, Trump screaming and crying as he was hauled out of the WH like the human garbage he is. But Trump is also a coward, if he knew that was going to happen on Jan 21st, I can imagine him sneaking out that morning and declaring the Deep State will bnever get him or stop him from being president. Something loony like that. AdLib 7 minutes ago

CL–Last week, PPO and I were discussing watching the TLB being dragged out in cuffs. We were thinking that the Secret Service would have a pool as to who would hold each arm and leg, and vying for the “honor”. LOL! glenn 7 minutes ago

Well, dear friend, I have to go, too, evn tho I’m in the later zone. I’m helping a woman w a horrific CPS charge, and I need to get info to her so we can help keep her autistic son w her. choicelady 7 minutes ago

See you all soone!!! choicelady 7 minutes ago

Ad…that cowardice is one of the factors that I foresee as making resignation a possibility. MurphTheSurf3 6 minutes ago

G’night CL. Great talking to you tonight! glenn 6 minutes ago

CL…always the dedicated helper. MurphTheSurf3 6 minutes ago

I too am t aking my leave. Goodnight Glenna and Ad. MurphTheSurf3 6 minutes ago

glenn – But as I’ve said before, this will be a white version of the OJ murder case. Everyone who looks at the case will know Trump is a criminal and needs to be convicted and taken away. When Repubs refuse to respect truth and justice, the public will get angry and become angrier every time they see or hear Trump or those Repubs after that. think it will be a Dem landslide. AdLib 5 minutes ago

Murph and Ad–do you think the TLB will ever testify in the Senate under oath? That’s when I think he will resign, before he has to testify under oath. That’s when his cowardice will show up big time. glenn 5 minutes ago

Nope, Trump will never testify. That’s the gimmick of his witch hunt BS, claiming there is no case and it’s all lies so he has nothing to testify about. But if it goes to the SCOTUS after impeachment (they can always impeach again), I think he’d be forced to testify or be removed. AdLib 3 minutes ago

I keep missing people leaving. I’m running behind tonight, for some reason. So….Ad, love talking to you and hope your scenario of a Dem landslide becomes a reality. See you next week! glenn 3 minutes ago

Sometimes it’s a stampede! Have a great weekend glenn! AdLib 3 minutes ago