Vox Populi – 07-27-2018

Hey Ad!

pinkpantheroz

No Problem, Ad! Great to have a solution.

pinkpantheroz

Thank you!

pinkpantheroz

Not too bad, thanks, still getting eye injections every 4 weeks for AMD. Good news that it is in only one eye. So can still drive

pinkpantheroz

Well, they stop the eye deteriorating any more than what has happened already. But I managed to tell my GP about it early enough for them to save quite a bit.

pinkpantheroz

For sure. And I’m now used to the jabs. no discomfort, just hate needles!

pinkpantheroz

Cohen will have no choice. He’s ruined either way, just how badly is up to him. No jailtime is more attractive, I’m sure!

pinkpantheroz

Seeing that Les Moonvez is in a spot of bother!

pinkpantheroz

True, Ad. What Fergie went through with the cancer is something I don’t think I could do.

pinkpantheroz

Here’s hoping, Ad. the thought of this going even to 2020 is nauseating.

pinkpantheroz

Well, this will be good for him, then! NOT!

pinkpantheroz

For sure, she’s the strongest person I know. She has made me stronger for her and by her example.

pinkpantheroz

I see Rosie The Racist has failed with her ‘apology’! Sorry ‘You Thought My Tweet Was Racist’ No thought involved. It was!

pinkpantheroz

Numbers are OK, but still not as good as Obamas.

pinkpantheroz

hiya glenn!

pinkpantheroz

I just noticed it was to Hannity. 2 peas on a pod, those two

pinkpantheroz

Yes. Dems MUST win the house or senate at least. Can someone please put a muzzle on Bernie Sanders and exile him spmewhere? He’s splitting an alreadt split Dem party.

pinkpantheroz

Hi Ad and PPO–Just reading about your amazing wife, PPO, and your recognition of her strength shows what a wonderful person/husband you are.

glenn

No, glenn, not me. She’s my life. enough said.

pinkpantheroz

PPO–I kind of agree with your assessment of Bernie, but I think I’d rather have a split Dem party than one like the repubs have marching in lockstep with a traitorous, lying bully.

glenn

PPO–

glenn

Ad–Fake news! Putin wants Dems to win!

glenn

glenn

pinkpantheroz

That’s right, glenn, so that Trump can claim the election is rigged and declare himself Fueh….. er President for Life. the SCOTUS will OK that

pinkpantheroz

I am here early for a change!

MurphTheSurf3

Hiya Murph!

pinkpantheroz

Ad, that’s what I worry about. Elected bums on seats matter more than great protests and signs

pinkpantheroz

HI PPO, Glenn and Ad….

MurphTheSurf3

I love the way the Cohen story is heating up, and the lying bully’s tweets are so predictable. First comes denial, then come the insults, then comes blaming Hillary or President Obama, then comes the half-assed admission that he actually did do what he’s accused of doing; then comes the denial of his half-assed admission, then come more insults. I’m getting so tired of the reruns of this reality shit-show.

glenn

Are your co-op pals reassured with Trump’s ‘deal/nodeal’ with the EU?

pinkpantheroz

Hey Murph! How goes it?

glenn

Ad, True.

pinkpantheroz

How is it going? I am working for Sen Claire McKasskill’s reelection. I am working to keep Cavanaugh out of the Supreme Court. I am working to turn two red House of Representative seats her blue. I am working to protect the health insurance those I care about so recently got. I am trying to provide an alternative narrative that I regard as solidly factual. But somehow I wonder if I am trying to stare down the whirlwind.

MurphTheSurf3

Oops there goes another rubber tree plant, Murph! Keep on Keeping on!

pinkpantheroz

This is what drives me mad! In my neck of the Missouri woods farmers are hurting having crops they cannot sell because of the tariff war. In my neck of the Missouri woods concerns about medical care are growing as insurance companies play with the rules (without challenge) and reverse course on coverage leaving many without the care they had three years ago. In my neck of the woods layoffs have begun in plants where steel is a big part of the production process thanks to the tariff war. In my neck of the Missouri woods companies that look to farmers for orders for everything from machinery to fertilizer are projecting a big downturn in their businesses as a result of the hit farmers are taking thanks to the tarrifs. In my neck of the woods a number of farmers, landscapers, roofers, and contractors depend on seasonal migrant labor and the numbers of those laborers are down, way down as the war on their people remains at center stage. In my neck of the woods state universities and colleges are shifting their admission and financial aid policies limiting programs for this historically disadvantaged (the poor, minorities). In my neck of the woods there is great concern about Trump’s relationship with a Russian Autocrat, a Korean Autocrat, and even a Philipinno Autocrat. In my neck of the woods bible believing Baptists find Trump’s history of extra-marital affairs disturbing. In my neck of the woods many find Trump’s style and language out of step with their own preferences and upbringing.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–Good on ya! I think the whirlwind is turning into a dust devil (as we used to call them in Saudi Arabia), and the devil–oops, I mean the lying bully in the oval office–is beginning to unwind. With a little help from his former “fixer”.

glenn

Hi Jenuwin….Genuine?

MurphTheSurf3

Ad..when I saw Giuliana’s spin on Cohen I thought he was talking about his boss and that they had had a huge falling out.

MurphTheSurf3

I asked a group of friends at a local watering hole. Each and everyone is from a group represented by the statements above. I have heard their concerns and complaints often enough. Yesterday, after the reports hit the news about Coen and the Trump Tower Russia meeting, I stopped by for a beer and heard the words of support for their man. I asked why, given all of their worries about the Trump administration, they still back him so forthrightly. I asked if I could actually record their words so that I could report them accurately. They agreed. So here goes.

MurphTheSurf3

So, another day in Trump’s Alternate Universe, eh, Murph. PLEASE, PLEASE let November work out well. The alternatives are too horrific

pinkpantheroz

Murph–you mean Guiliani’s spin on Cohen today. A week or so ago, Guiliani was calling Cohen “an honorable man”.

glenn

Here is what my friends had to say re. their support for the man while acknowledging the many ways in which they were being harmed… “Trump is one of us. He speaks for us. He cares about us.” “The Presidents says the shit I would want to say if I were where he is.” “Donald doesn’t take crap from anyone. That’s why he gets so much done.” “Everything he hates, I hate. Everything he loves, I love.” “He sounds like me at the dinner table on Sunday afternoon.” “Trump knows how unfairly we have been treated and he is going to make it right. Things might be bumpy for a while but he is the only one who can do it.” “Look at the success the guy has had. Look at his education. Look at what he gave up to run for President. He did it for me. The least I can do is stand up for him.” “Things in this country have been going wrong for a long time and he says he is going to make them right. I am for that.” “This guy is for real Americans. Born here. Raised here. He’s a patriot. He’s for the military and the police. He’s for me.” “He will bring the jobs back and fight for the little guy. Like me.” “When he talks its me talking. He knows who our enemies are and he will get them.” “Every liberal I know, like you, is against him. That’s a plus in my mind.”

MurphTheSurf3

PPO I am worrying right up to November and appreciate when those from far away worry along with me.

MurphTheSurf3

Yes Ad….that money is tokenism….a short fix….just to buy them off until the elections…only a few realize this.

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn…Giulani is one the the rat pack of liars.

MurphTheSurf3

Good God in Heaven, Murph. What keeps you sane in that atmosphere? Yes, the entire world is on tenderhooks about Nov. not just me.

pinkpantheroz

PPO…..sanity can be found in a good rum and coke…or at least it feels that way.

MurphTheSurf3

HI, Jenuin, Welcome

pinkpantheroz

Ad..I thught that statement was brutally honest.

MurphTheSurf3

Hi everyone! Thanks for the welcome!

Jenuwin

Murph–that’s the scariest thing about the lying bully’s supporters. They believe what the lying bully says–even though almost everything he says is a lie–yet ignore his actions. The last statement is the one that drives them the most–they have been conditioned to hate liberals, so anything liberals are for–they’re against.

glenn

Ad….cultish movements have the same mechanism at work…thus the comparisons to other persona driven authoritarian governments.

MurphTheSurf3

Hi Jenuwin!

glenn

Glenn….and he said it to me…..a known liberal…and this guy is one of my friends.

MurphTheSurf3

We’re swamped with stuff from Mueller, Cohen, Trump, WH, how can we keep sane in all the insanity?

pinkpantheroz

A friend in Britain wrote me this line: “We in Britain who opposed Brexit wondered how we could have screwed up so badly and then you chaps elected Trump and showed us.”

MurphTheSurf3

Murph all your friends statements are exactly what a lot of my friends are saying back home. I feel Trump is actually gaining more support and fear he will be re-elected

Jenuwin

Murph–We will never change the lying bully’s supporters minds. What we have to do is make sure we urge everyone we know to vote for Democrats. We are being “led” by less than 30% of the population of the US. Hopefully, sane people will come out and vote in November. It’s our only chance.

glenn

ad….good reality check…how come his national numbers are up.

MurphTheSurf3

Remember they said that the Tea Party had taken over the GOP. Well, haven’t we proof with the impeachment papers?

pinkpantheroz

Jen….and hold the House and strengthen the senate…yeah…scared shitless for the same reasons.

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn getting all Dems to vote…..that is a challenge….I remain stunned at how many who have so much at stake are so blase.

MurphTheSurf3

GOTV gets more and more urgent the closer we get.

pinkpantheroz

PPO..those articles of impeachment actually give me some hope as there are so few sponsors and little support greeted then when they were published.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad..like your phrasing there….he is their fist and their elevator.

MurphTheSurf3

…and this is before the Russian hackers get to work. A good Leader of the Dems is needed. Is there anyone who can be that?

pinkpantheroz

Murph–I agree. I don’t think most people are paying attention to news about the lying bully. I think they have tuned it all out. They won’t care until it’s too late.

glenn

PPO – there was an online meeting of all of McCasskills organizers to establish tighter protocols.

MurphTheSurf3

A start, Murph.

pinkpantheroz

When Trump announced that he was running for Prez, I said all along he would win. All my liberal friends disagreed and I hate that I was right about that which is why I am so afraid. I keep close tabs on what trump supporters are saying and it is scary how much stronger they have become in their support for him.

Jenuwin

Glenn….and that too is a tactic of the cult authoritarians….fill the void with noise.

MurphTheSurf3

brb

pinkpantheroz

Jenuwin….I had the same fears. I saw him successfully crushing GOP opposition and I did not see Clinton catching fire.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, but overall his numbers are still better….scary.

MurphTheSurf3

Genuwin–it is scary how they lying bully’s supporters justify his every assault on our democracy. I saw the beginning of a video where a Latina women was saying that we’ve need an authoritarian figure like the lying bully for a long time, and she’s glad he’s in office.

glenn

Glenn…I have a black associate who says the same thing.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad….I want to believe…I do…but I keep flashing back to November 2016 and the horror on a Tuesday eve.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–it just blows my mind. I think the strong economy is the lying bully’s “ace in the hole”. As long as he can brag about GDP, and low unemployment, all of the other things just don’t matter to his supporters. Not the locking up of babies, not his rolling over for putin, not his tariffs, not his trashing of our allies, NOTHING. It’s getting more and more scary by the day.

glenn

Glenn! Wow! Trump has the religious right support because of Israel and pro-life. I grew up in religious area and the all feel as long as the president stands for those two things they “can forgive all of his transgressions… as Jesus would do”. They don’t like all the nasty things he is doing but they are compelled by their church to stand behind him because if those two stances. Plus a lot don’t track out of the country so they are terrified of anyone not like them

Jenuwin

Ad….the leadership of the Tea Party was hidden but Dick Armey and the Kochs were at its heart.

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn…but that great economy is a chimera as well……most of the best numbers are reflections on the health of the investing world…for workers wages remains stagnant and worker representation continues to falter.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–I am also encouraged by all the repubs who have spoken out about the lying bully’s actions in Helsinki. However, NONE of those who have spoken about that are in any position to DO anything about it. Not one congress critter has done anything, despite the evidence of the Helsinki fiasco. The congress critters just shrug their shoulders and go on decimating all of our social safety nets and our environment.

glenn

Glenn….GOP, even those not running, may gab a bit but they do not act.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad….and yet the predictors were pretty much unanimous in their belief that Clinton would win…..

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–I understand what you’re saying, and really, really hope you are correct. Once again, though, none of those issues have gone away. The lying bully and his supporters bring them up every other day, in almost every tweet, post, etc. As far as the russian invasion into our elections, many of them say that they’re GLAD that russia intervened, because at least we don’t have Hillary as president.

glenn

I just don’t have much hope that we can overcome that.

glenn

who believes Les Moonvez’ denials?

pinkpantheroz

Murph–exactly. Only congress can act, and they aren’t.

glenn

An uninformed electorate driven by its emotion supports demagoguery as a currency for political power.

MurphTheSurf3

Pp – I’m torn. He’s been a good client.. certainly charming

Jenuwin

Ad..my point is that the TP was united by carefully honed messaging and vehicles to express outrage…all well funded and centralized in their organization.

MurphTheSurf3

client? Wow! What professoin are/were you in, if I may ask?

pinkpantheroz

Jen..who is your client?

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–not sure Dems should make the election about the lying bully. The election HAS to be about what policies/legislation Dems will institute to solve some of our problems, such as immigration, abortion rights, the environment, and the assaults on our law enforcement and intelligence agencies, such as the FBI and the DOJ.

glenn

agree, glenn. going negative just on trump wou’t be enough

pinkpantheroz

Ad…all of that depends on those things being perceived as you see them…if that does not happen….crash.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–From your post to the electorate’s votes!

glenn

hear hear glenn!

pinkpantheroz

Ad, but they were right and the largins would have been wider but for the russians

pinkpantheroz

margins!

pinkpantheroz

PPO–Going negative just reinforces the lying bully’s supporters. They see it as pissing off the libs, and they’ll put up with ANYTHING from the lying bully to do that.

glenn

Ad….I still worry…as I see the instruments that put her out and him in still very much in place.

MurphTheSurf3

Hello Guest 759

MurphTheSurf3

Hi, 759! welcome

pinkpantheroz

Trump has proven immune to such analysis to date. Again. hope you are correct. I am working hard here in Mo and in Il.

MurphTheSurf3

Just be sure not to become complacent about any ‘tide’ against Trump. We need to keep concentrating on the issues that will work locally

pinkpantheroz

Murph–yup. All of the conspiracy theories and more are still floating around. The Clinton foundation lies; the email lies; the Steele dossier lies; the “witch hunt” lies–all of it has been so ingrained into the lying bully’s supporters that they will NEVER give them up, no matter how many facts show they are lies.

glenn

Glenn…..smoke and mirrors fools audiences …….

MurphTheSurf3

PPO–Agreed. Complacency will defeat Dems again.

glenn

Murph–Not all audiences, but definitely the audiences that attend the lying bully’s rallies.

glenn

sorry guys my computer crashed

Jenuwin

Glenn…and many who sit at home watching those rallies

MurphTheSurf3

Jen…crashed computer…..or russian hacking?

MurphTheSurf3

my own hacking…better than the russions

Jenuwin

Ad–I understand what you’re saying, and it is logical. However, the past 18 months has shown me that logic, facts, and norms no longer drive most of the voting populace in the US.

glenn

What gives me the utter shits is why the MSM show those rallies. Nothing worthy of a Presidential speech comes out of them, only more ammo for the Trumpeters.

pinkpantheroz

Jenuin

pinkpantheroz

Ad–As long as Dems use positive phrasing such as “want they want to protect from further damage” without using the lying bully’s name.

glenn

PPO…most of the media is still driven by a “fairness” journalism ethics AND they make good tv and draw crowds. $$$$$$$$.

MurphTheSurf3

As Moonvez said: It makes Money”

pinkpantheroz

PPO–I agree. The media is way overboard on breathlessly reporting on every word that comes out of the lying bully’s lips. Then they compound that by having supporters of the lying bully on panels to repeat the lies and bullshit. Usually, with not one Dem on to counteract the lies. And, it seems to me the lying bully’s supporters always seem to get the last word!

glenn

Maybe the tactic is to use trump’s words and actions against himself. Show how much a tariff ‘win’ is doing for farmers – not the conglomerates, the real ones. How much the manufactueres are ‘winning with steel tariffs causing layffs

pinkpantheroz

PPO–I’m pretty sure that’s the intent–problem is, it’s not working. Even farmers who are being hurt by the tariffs still support the lying bully, as evidenced by Murph’s recordings of what they say.

glenn

Ad, my experience is very local….Here in Mo. the key to Dem victories is massive turnout in the big population centers…and this year voter registration has show only a tiny uptick….I will tell you what will say a lot…if the Referendum to make Mo. a Right to Work State fails…If it does, and there is a lot of energy around that, that would be a ver good development.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–There may not be much of an uptick in voter registration in MO, but I am encouraged by the increasing number of voter registrations among young people.

glenn

Sadly, you’re right, glenn and Murph. Still, we gotta keep up pressure. We also need Mueller to nail a few more hides to the barn and undo the foundations under trump.

pinkpantheroz

Maybe the emphasis the Dems should work on is to use social media more. That is where most young voters will get their news and form opinions.

pinkpantheroz

Glenn…where?

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–your optimism sustains me. I’m also optimistic about the chances of a Dem governor–a black woman, no less–here in GA. The campaign has really just started, because the repubs just got their candidate due to a run-off which was held this past Tuesday. So, now we know who the two candidates are–let the games begin!

glenn

Glenn…and that GOP candidate is a real loon it seems

MurphTheSurf3

Ad….I join you in that….her record speaks of conviction and competence.

MurphTheSurf3

Well, Guys & Dolls, it’s afternoon here, so I’ve got shopping to do. So I’ll say cheerio for this week. Hope we get more and more visitors to this site. I’m retweeting . Take care.

pinkpantheroz

PPO…I keep inviting people here as well.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–Voter data for March and April show that young registrants represented a higher portion of new voters in Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania, among other states. In Florida, voters younger than 26 jumped from less than 20 percent of new registrants in January and February to nearly 30 percent by March, the month of the gun control rallies. That ticked down to about 25 percent in April, as the demonstrations subsided, but registration of young voters remained above the pace set before 17 students and faculty were killed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. In North Carolina, voters younger than 25 represented around 30 percent of new registrations in January and February; in March and April, they were around 40 percent.

glenn

Bye PPO–Happy shopping!

glenn

Glenn – good stats those!

MurphTheSurf3

By PPO

Jenuwin

Ad…more good stats……

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–the GOP candidate is “strong on immigration” and has been endorsed by the lying bully, so that qualifies as a “loon” in our book, but not in the GOP’s book.

glenn

You all may not know that Mo was Democratic for much of its history. Remember Truman…he was mainline….My county was Dem until 2010.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–so there are good stats out there, as Ad keeps telling us. I just have a very cynical attitude after the last 18 months. Hope Cohen has LOTS of tapes!

glenn

Ad….trust Wasserman.

MurphTheSurf3

Well, gents, I’m taking my “cautious optimism” and my cynicism out of here for this week. Ad, I so hope you’re correct about the blue wave. Murph, thanks for working your heart out to make a difference. G’night all. Have a good week!

glenn

Well…friends…spirit discussion but I need to get to bed…busy day ahead…This is not how I planned to live my life at 68…still it is invigorating.

MurphTheSurf3

I shall. See you next week.

MurphTheSurf3

nope in LA!

Jenuwin