Vox Populi – 10-6-2017

The word of the week is Moron! How apt!

pinkpantheroz

Hey Ad

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Morons Are Governing America

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This is gunna be flogged to death, believe me!

pinkpantheroz

Is Kelly still in, or out?

pinkpantheroz

Well, what a week. Was anyone you know in LV and are they ok?

pinkpantheroz

Thank goodness, no. Won’t do much for LV tourism

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Business or slots?!

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Important! Enjoy! grabbing a coffee brb

pinkpantheroz

Evening, Ad. How is it going?

glenn

Looks like I just missed PPO. Hope he’ll be back.

glenn

My kitchen is almost finished! Woo-hoo! Only one more coat of paint and finishing touches, and it’s done!

glenn

So I’m good!

glenn

It’s a pale lilac because my living room is a deeper purple. And, I didn’t do any of the work; so the only big thing I had to do was write the checks!

glenn

Yeah, I think so. Not for everyone, I’m sure, but it goes with the rest of my house, which is very different from most in my neighborhood.

glenn

What can I say about the MIC? Remember when anyone in Obama’s cabinet called him a moron? Me neither.

glenn

I sure hope Mueller is coming up with some good stuff. I sure wish he would hurry before our MIC gets us into a war. “You’ll see” is such a great diplomatic move, dontcha think?

glenn

Back! Hi glenn, Harleigh

pinkpantheroz

Hey PPO, Harleigh.

glenn

I think our MIC is the storm before the disaster!

glenn

Are my ears deceiving me, or has the NRA actually advocated banning bump stocks ( after they’re all sold out, of course)?

pinkpantheroz

And keeping people on edge about war is such a great strategy?

glenn

PPO–haven’t heard that about the NRA and bump stocks. And, of course, you know the Obama approved bump stocks, so it’s alright, dontcha know?

glenn

MIC loves to tease, bait and bluff the MSM, and the poor bastards keep biting

pinkpantheroz

OK

pinkpantheroz

Now, what mischief can we get up to while Ad’s away?!!

pinkpantheroz

PPO–Yup, reality show host working the MSM. I’m waiting for the commercials and teasers. “What will he do? Will we have a war? A nuclear disaster? Or will Jared bring peace to the Middle East, while Rex wipes out North Korea? Stay tuned for next week’s episode of The Moron in the White House.”

glenn

Don’t ever put a bumpstock on a sex toy… I heard what it did to a friend…..

Harleigh

PPO–Can we pass out the martinis?

glenn

Harleigh–wow, you have some kinky friends!

glenn

glenn, it would almost be funny, if it weren’t for the fact that NK, China and Iran have no sense of humor about stuff like that.

pinkpantheroz

I am just back from a meeting the Gun Club to which I belong…shoot me now!

MurphTheSurf3

Oh yeah Glenn

Harleigh

Harleigh, must have put it on backwards!

pinkpantheroz

PPO–I don’t understand why those countries have no sense of humor, don’t they get how the MIC is just trying to MAGA?

glenn

Murph! No shooting allowed on VOX!

glenn

Oh Geez PPO… that may be it!

Harleigh

glenn, just think about diiplomacy, where every word is nuanced and all the players know what each other says and means. Not now, they don’t and so are always on edge. Bad for the World

pinkpantheroz

glenn…left my guns at the door….

MurphTheSurf3

hiya Murph

pinkpantheroz

Murph–glad to hear that. And, we don’t want to shoot you, anyway. How are you, my friend?

glenn

HOwdy to Ad, glenn, harleigh and ppo…….Anyone interested in what happened at the Gun Club Meeting? We are a sport/contest group and a hunting group.

MurphTheSurf3

let it rip murph

Harleigh

PPO–well, we all know trump doesn’t do nuance; not sure he even knows the word itself, much less what it means. And, considering he doesn’t know many words anyway, the world has no idea what to do with this moron. Of course, neither do we.

glenn

Sure, Murph, I always like to hear what you have to say.

glenn

Ad, you have it in one.

pinkpantheroz

Ad–I know. I wish we could have one day where the media didn’t report on any of trump’s tweets, speeches, and no one showed up in the press room to listen to Huckabee.

glenn

I wanted to check as a lot of people are so angry right now that any conversation about guns enrages them. This was a scheduled meeting. Most of our meetings (once a month) are about scheduling contests, social events, and safety/training programs. We do not do gun sales, or display. We do not permit our members to buy or sell at the club.

MurphTheSurf3

I’m not into guns but if it acts like a machine gun…..

Harleigh

glenn, that would be bliss……sigh

pinkpantheroz

Murph–conversations about guns don’t enrage me. Conversations that begin with “Now is not the time to talk about gun control” enrage me.

glenn

Our average age is 55. There is a bar (that serves snacks too) and it is that bar that I usually refer to here.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–sounds like your club is a lot like the way the NRA started out.

glenn

there were many heroes in LV. One saved many people while wounded in the neck himself. He is black. What’s the betting there won’t be any medals given to him?

pinkpantheroz

We started our meeting as usual with the Pledge of Allegiance (we close with God Bless America). The minutes are read and then we are on to business. Tonight a post meeting discussion of the events in Las Vegas and their implications for gun law, gun ownership, and gun legislation. The discussion would take place in our meeting space with the understanding that there would be NO discussion in the bar at all tonight.

MurphTheSurf3

He probably wouldn’t go to the WH to get his medal!

Harleigh

Sensible , Murph

pinkpantheroz

We had 35 or so at the meeting…a bit larger than usual but not a whole lot. Our membership is more than 100 with 20 who are always there with the remainder rotating through the membership. You have to attend two meetings a year (and we meet 15 times) or get a hefty fine.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, I can’t get over the fact that the majority these guns and rifles and such are for sport, not hunting and who needs an AK47 to stop a burglar? So the USA is held hostage over big boys TOYS! Disgraceful

pinkpantheroz

Meeting started at 6:30 and our business was done by 7:15. There was a five minute break. I had to make a phone call so I got back at the end of the five minutes and the room had everyone who was at the meeting there. There was coffee, lemonade and cookies. We talked until 9 PM when we adjourned with a decision to close the bar then as well.

MurphTheSurf3

ost of the gunnuts I’ve met think they are protectin duhmurikkka ala Red Dawn. LOL

Harleigh

One-Fifth Of Australia’s Illegal Guns Taken Off Streets In Just Three Months under an amnesty. Why can’t the US do the same, or buyback?

pinkpantheroz

that’s not many by US standards, but 51,000 ain’t bad

pinkpantheroz

Ad, is it true that 75% of gun owners are NOT in the NRA? Why can’t they organize and overthrow that bunch?

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The discussion was very frank. It was heated at times but still respectful. Every topic you can imagine was brought to fore. What was clear is that we, almost unanimously, expect our governments from local to national to serious address this issue in study, in open interchange, and with legislation. As a group we believe that they are shirking their duty because of the power of money (on both sides of the question but most heavily on pro-no gun legislation crowd.

MurphTheSurf3

And only then are thir thoughts and prayers coming from their bloody lips. Riight

pinkpantheroz

HAHAHA TnP… that’ll hep em boy howdy….

Harleigh

PPO–There have been a lot of posts about Australia’s gun amnesty program. I don’t think it would ever work in the US, though, because of the many people who believe the 2nd Amendment means we should be able to own any type of weapon and as many as we want. For, after all, we have to protect ourselves against the government. The same government that the righties have their panties in a wad over if an NFL player kneels to protest that government that the righties want to protect themselves from. Circular logic at its finest! Or, should I say a circular firing squad?

glenn

What we ended up doing was asking 4 of our members to put together info, ideas, thoughts on the issues with info citations as a basis for our discussion. We are calling a special meeting for two weeks from tonight with plans to e mail our work to all members a week prior to the meeting.

MurphTheSurf3

One final note…our club has very few middle aged members and hardly any young ones. Those groups say we are too tame, too old fashioned….too like the NRA used to be.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph, sounds like a logical and sober approach to a very difficult subject. Good for your members.

pinkpantheroz

Murph–where are the members going to get their info?

glenn

I just wanted you all to know that there are some sane Missourians.

MurphTheSurf3

Info sources…..the group of 4 (and yeah, I am one of them) are going to meet on Sunday afternoon to define our work and that topic will be among the first.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–Just like the NRA used to be. Will we ever be able to discuss guns in a rational manner?

glenn

!st what?

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of?

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Murph–I agree with Ad. We already knew there were some sane Missourians, you being among the finest.

glenn

Now? oh, OK Thought it happened at another time of the year.

pinkpantheroz

Modest Missourian Murph!

pinkpantheroz

When I raised my hand saying I would be part of the group…a bunch of folks yelled out: “Token Liberal….Yeah!” and laughed. Another guy yelled: “A well spoken token.” And then one of our gals chipped in with: “And spoken, and spoken, and spoken and spoken.” More laughter.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–must admit I don’t follow baseball that much, how many more games in the playoffs? When does the World Series begin?

glenn

Murph–sounds like they know you well!

glenn

Murph,

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Thanks to all of you for your kind and supportive comments. Frankly I was all in for Newtown and devastated when nothing came of it…if the gunning down of little kids does not raise the pot to a full boil then we are lost….tonight was a surprise.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–so the playoffs have just started, then…

glenn

All true. A number of members are part of the co-op.

MurphTheSurf3

sorry… fell asleep… later folks. Long day. Night

Harleigh

Night, Harleigh. Sleep well.

glenn

Sorry, Ad, some dumb stuff like Trump , PR and LV got in the way of the baseball!

pinkpantheroz

Yeah they know me…..

MurphTheSurf3

‘night, Harleigh

pinkpantheroz

Nite harleigh

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–I know you’re proud to be the “token liberal” and will wear your mantle with pride!

glenn

Token with a Toke!

pinkpantheroz

Murph–what would you, as a responsible gun owner, like to see in the way of gun control?

glenn

Adlib, that’s a brilliant concept. Now, how can we spread that idea?

pinkpantheroz

Ad-isn’t there already a group out there like that? Isn’t it called Moms Demand Action on Guns?

glenn

Actually, I think it’s just called Moms Demand Action. So, PPO, there is a group you can donate to.

glenn

Ad, one problem I see is that the NRA is a tool f the Gun Manufacturers, with unlimited funds to corrupt, bribe, out-advertise

pinkpantheroz

I drove one of the guys home. His wife was at an auction with their truck and his other car has no lights! He is a big enthusiast who has a bunch of weapons including semi-autos, expanded magazines, and a lot of different ammo. He keeps it all carefully locked in a gun safe. His kids have picked up his interest. He did not say much until I was in his drive. His comment: “Murph, you know that XXXX (his wife) and I love to get away twice a year. We love it. We are carefree. We go to Vegas. Shit!” And then he got out and slammed the door.

MurphTheSurf3

Okay, just looked it up. The name is: Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.

glenn

OK, g, will look into it. BR B

pinkpantheroz

Ad–their funding probably is nowhere near the NRA, but if more people begin to get the word out about the group, and more people contribute to them, it will be a start. Also, they need to do as much lobbying as the NRA does.

glenn

Glenn….track every weapon, every ammo sale. Gun registration, and gun user licensing. Limit on magazine size. Limit on total ammo held. No “combat” tech (in guns and in defensive gear), In other words, what I grew up with.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–their website is momsdemandaction.org

glenn

Murph–sounds like some commonsense ideas. Why is it so difficult to get them into the national conversation? And, then, of course, what do we do about all those people who have “combat” tech guns and gear?

glenn

Smart guns are great….interesting that NRA opposes Print Based Tech to produce guns (we know who owns them)….

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–yes, I think so, too.

glenn

Ad–set up as a non-profit to do what? Lobbying? Are non-profits not allowed to lobby?

glenn

Glenn….in the mid 1970’s as the number of guns being sold and the number of gun owners was declining year by year…gun manufacturers, whole salers, and retailers finance a coup in the NRA leading to its take over by their people and they (and the even more radical Gun Owners of America) have engineer a gun culture that hits on so many themes that they effectively strangle real debate.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–to retrofit guns, we need to find out who owns those guns. Given the level of paranoia that the NRA has instilled into most gun owners (Murph excepted), how will ever get people to register their guns, let alone retrofit them?

glenn

Ad…I agree. Let me add in Citizens United and the Lobbyist Culture.

MurphTheSurf3

Did you all catch the comment about my friend who I drove home? Because this shooting struck him at his heart…..there is a hint of movement.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…how do we get to the point that we used to accept as the natural landscape.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–that’s where we have to begin. We have to make gun owners “feel” gun control with their hearts. Right now, the NRA owns their hearts.

glenn

Ad….as with most things….chicken and egg….

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn….I agree…change begins in the gut and moves up to the mind.

MurphTheSurf3

Sorry, folks, gotta get out and about shopping this afternoon, so cheerio for now. see you next week, and STAY SAFE

pinkpantheroz

So Long PPO

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–I have seen a few people who have changed their minds about gun control because of Las Vegas. A country music singer by the name of Caleb Keeter who was singing at the LV concert, wrote an op-ed about how he has changed his mind. And, there was a conservative columnist who came out in favor of gun control. It’s happening slowly, but maybe the killing over 50 people and injuring over 500 finally made some see the light.

glenn

Ad…as you may recall I have a rifle for hunting (not semi-auto), a shotgun for protection, a handgun for sport shooting. All keep secure. Limited ammo. I do have a shrapnel vest. So I have a vested interest in this.

MurphTheSurf3

Las Vegas is one of those iconic cities thats symbolizes freedom and care free fun. It appeals to a lot of folks who also love their guns. The dissonance created by the Mass Shooting is palpable.

MurphTheSurf3

On the mark, Ad.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–just as the NRA did, as you say, Dems have to keep up the commonsense reforms that could happen and keep pounding them home. I don’t know why Sandy Hook wasn’t the turning point, and LV is, but whatever is the turning point, I hope this is it.

glenn

Well, folks – a grand discussion……I will keep you all in the loop.

MurphTheSurf3

Alright, gents, time for me to call it a night. Take care, and Murph, good luck on your committee!

glenn

AD and Glenn…I just remembered one comment tonight in the discussion. One of the guys cited the quote that “it takes good guys with guns to stop bad guys” and than asked when that was going to happen.

MurphTheSurf3

One guy was interviewed who said he headed out from the concert venue intending to get his own gun and come back. A cop heard him say this and asked him how the police were to know he is a good guy. He suggested he stay home.

MurphTheSurf3

Remember the theater shooting in colorado and how the police chief responded to the idea that had there been armed movie goers the shooter would have been taken out. His answer: “In a dark theater, with the noise of the film, and panic all about…..a lot more people would have been killed.”

MurphTheSurf3

Ad….other B.S…..gun owner has stopped crimes….except for potential home invasion I see no evidence that this is so.

MurphTheSurf3

Madness. On that note…good night to you….AND my continued encouragement that you cross post at Yabberz sometimes….you have a sharply focused wit and poignant insights and I would love others to be exposed to them….

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…just so…that is vastly exaggerated……I admire your commitment to the Planet. I really do.

MurphTheSurf3

Good night.

MurphTheSurf3