Vox Populi – 4-21-2017

hey, Ad! just setting up

pinkpantheroz

grabbing a coffee

pinkpantheroz

Will Billo get WH Press Sec’s job now? has all the right credentials – womanizing liar and blowhard

pinkpantheroz

Can you do that job from Jail?

pinkpantheroz

Squirming right now with Cas-Pense the ‘friendly’ ghost here to spread the BS

pinkpantheroz

Good evening, Ad and PPO. Just popped in to say a quick hello; can’t stay long tonight; early game tomorrow. How are you both?

glenn

Ad–Billo as trump’s campaign manager is a great fit. By that time, there should be at least a thousand lawsuits pending between the two of them! Call it the 1000’s campaign!

glenn

Hi, glenn doing ok. Had my eye injection yeaterday. doing fine, as is Fergie

pinkpantheroz

can’t wait for Sally Yates to testify

pinkpantheroz

Glad to hear you’re doing well, PPO. Yikes, an eye injection!

glenn

Ad–same old, same old with me.

glenn

Ad–yeah, maybe not–or maybe the women could reach back at them–with a lead pipe or two!

glenn

glenn, 6-weekly for Macular Degeneration. Not creepy after the first one

pinkpantheroz

Howdy Ad, Glenn and PPO!

MurphTheSurf3

Murph!

pinkpantheroz

PPO and Ad–well don’t we have to have some kind of military presence close to NK for trump to bomb it? Are the ships on the way to NK or NZ?

glenn

Hey Murph–how goes it?

glenn

glenn, I think they’re nearing the Panama Canal just ab out now

pinkpantheroz

So, PPO, I’m assuming the injections will lessen the macular degeneration?

glenn

May 1 for me

pinkpantheroz

PPO–yup, the Panama Canal is close enough to NK, isn’t it?

glenn

Hey Glenn…how goes it…too few hours in the day. Planting and politicking….whew!

MurphTheSurf3

glenn, they sort of hold it to where it is today. Luckily I got it early and not much deterioration

pinkpantheroz

PPO- what is the prognosis with our macular degeneration…..?

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–you are a wonder! A gentleman farmer in the truest sense!

glenn

Murph. It should be kept at bay any further with 6-weekly injections.

pinkpantheroz

PPO–sometimes the status quo is a good thing!

glenn

Glenn, I do, at times, WONDER if I am insane!

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–and just what does this armada consist of? Rowboats?

glenn

beats the alternative, glenn. and it’s only in one eye right now, so I can still drive

pinkpantheroz

PPO…amazing I do not think that treatment is available in the U.S.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–It’s so nice to be insane; no one asks you to explain!

glenn

Ad……there is a lot of shit being tossed about for sure.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph:

pinkpantheroz

PPO–yup. Even though you’re driving on the “wrong” side of the road!

glenn

Trump’s reputation as a blowhard and a liar is growing…..there is an air of derision and dismissiveness. As to Mangled Health Care Part Deux that word is just getting out. The plan will go nowhere anyway….they have a government funding crisis heading their way.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad or Murph–so what’s in this new “wonderful” plan for health care?

glenn

Ad, 6 weekly for ever. Tried for 8 week interval, but stuff wore off after 7. back to 6 weeks

pinkpantheroz

Ad–trustworthiness and trump do not belong in the same sentence together.

glenn

PPO thanks for the lead I have book marked it.

MurphTheSurf3

brb

pinkpantheroz

Glenn…basically the new plan is to basically undo the standards for plans and the requirement to cover preexisting condition using a process in which states can ask to be unbound by the stipulations. A total mess.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–even repubs are starting to question the necessity of trump’s wall.

glenn

Ad…I think the derision and dismissiveness are rooted in a belief that he is a liar and cannot be trusted.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…the budget director is a Trump zealot….he will drive the train off the track if it is asked of him.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–so IOW, same old republican shit, different day. And the freedom caucus isn’t going to like it if it doesn’t completely undo Obamacare.

glenn

Glenn….the freedom caucus has joined in the efforts but the moderates are now backing away as fast as they can.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph-good that budget train needs to be driven off the tracks so repubs actually have to do some governing instead of just derailing everything.

glenn

Murph–Jesus, I just can’t keep up with these ever-shifting idealogues!

glenn

Glenn….I would not mind a short shutdown and the fast retreat from the front lines.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…high risk pools require massive support from federal government to work….this is all smoke and mirrors.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…another part of the “choke national health care” that the GOP is backing.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–that’s why, then, the freedom caucus supports it. It just brings us back to health care as it was before Obamacare. You know, “everyone” has “access” to health care. I really hate these people!

glenn

don’t forget Russiagate!, or the Blackmail threats to Obamacare over the Wall. He’ll probably send a gunboat up the Thames!

pinkpantheroz

Alright, gents, I’m outta here. You all take care, and I hope to stay longer next week! G’nite.

glenn

glenn, short but sweet. g’Night!

pinkpantheroz

Ad….I think you are reading Trump accurately.

MurphTheSurf3

Nite Glenn

MurphTheSurf3

Have you seen the trouble stirring re. the Trump Inaugural Fund?

MurphTheSurf3

Ad I’m afraid that no one will have to guts to issue the first indictment.

pinkpantheroz

100 million donate less than half that spent on the shabby, poorly attended inaugural, and where the rest of the cash seems to be a mystery….and it looks like the donor list is full false names, amounts that do not add up and bogus fronts.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph, but will any Trump-appointed toady do what’s right and nail the cretin? I’m not holding my breath

pinkpantheroz

PPO – we will see. If it comes down to be taken down yourself or to take down the leader of the pack? And there are many more outside the admin who can press this using the courts and public opinion.

MurphTheSurf3

Watching Trump’s campaign speeches about swamp draining and breaking the back of pay to play is sickening.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph, looking at it from 10,000 miles away is even more horrifying. I can see the USA dissolving ito a puddle of lies, greed and corruption

pinkpantheroz

Ad…precisely. Crooked.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO – I have friends in the UK who say the same thing (of course they have their troubles too). I expect that there will be two new members of the common wealth in the future. A unified Irish state and an independent Scotland

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, well, he hasn’t too much time to get his ducks in a row. Start now!

pinkpantheroz

Comey, Ad Lib, is very conscious of his legacy…..he has gotten smeared by his handling of the Clinton server issue and now has a chance to leave that far behind….I think he will take it.

MurphTheSurf3

for sure, Ad! The Resistance is alive, well and working!

pinkpantheroz

Well, I need to sign off. I am up very early tomorrow….good weather and I am way behind in my planting efforts.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…agree with about Comey.

MurphTheSurf3

OK, Murph, don’t hurt your back with all that politic… er planting!

pinkpantheroz

Putting in my truck garden….veggies…of all kinds.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO…aches go with the effort I fear.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…if you recall I sell my organic produce to a restaurant wholesaler.

MurphTheSurf3

CL!

pinkpantheroz

Hi all – sorry to be so late. Dinner proved a challenge. Hey AdLib, PPO, Murph!

choicelady

Ad….the co-op….yes….but I can do my sales on my own.

MurphTheSurf3

Choice…ok if you are here now I shall stay for a while longer….

MurphTheSurf3

Oh wow Murph – come and gone? Glad to see you but don’t want to exhaust you!

choicelady

Choice….YOU refresh me!

MurphTheSurf3

AdLib – I’m no good with DEAD fish either. Sigh.

choicelady

GREAT to see you Murph – you do the same for me.

choicelady

Ad…just a member now, not a leader….and things are not going well.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – is this an ag coop?

choicelady

Ad…I think a lot of the co-op drama was really about my antipathy for Trump. Now those feelings are taking roots with many others.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad- not especially THIS one. New idea. Did not go well…

choicelady

Murph – you mean others in the coop are turning on #45? Or on YOU?

choicelady

Choice, yes it is largely a ag co-op but with a pretty wide field of operation that has us interacting with a variety of endeavors in support of the farming.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – I have to agree. Even on Twitter a lot of his sneering fans are now seeing reality and repenting.

choicelady

Choice…..there was a kinda-coup late in 2016 – most of the founders, including me, stepped aside but now…our absence is being dearly felt.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – no, we can’t eat grains, and there is NOTHING that makes a good grilled cheese without bread. Shoe leather just doesn’t cut it.

choicelady

We had a meeting last week….no agenda, no minutes, no plan- blowhards can only blow!

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I feel over the years you live in the land of “I TOLD YOU SO”. you’d think by now people would LISTEN. But noooo.

choicelady

I remember that, Murph. Hope you haven’t lost out on revenue as a result. Nice, though, that you’re being proven right

pinkpantheroz

Ad – he has ALREADY filed for re-election 2020. He did it FIVE HOURS after the inauguration. Why? He is allowed to fund raise without any real concern.

choicelady

Choice….The Show Me State…..does not like to be shown anything that disagrees with its stubborn attachment to out of date commitments.

MurphTheSurf3

As for his lies and policy stupids, well…we all will gt hurt.

choicelady

Ad, and CL. The dismay now starting to percolate throughout the USA can be seen. Mid terms will confirm

pinkpantheroz

PPO….my revenue will be little affected but the group revenue will crash if plans are not put into motion.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – I think I told you my grandfather was from Albany, Gentry Co. and yeah – didn’t like a thing being shown, told, whatever if it didn’t meet his biases.

choicelady

Choice…I recall that.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – I did a kind of Kung Pao Chicken but it was badly seasoned. Better next time.

choicelady

brb

pinkpantheroz

Murph – I’m sorry for them, but…you really can’t fix stupid. You can only patch it up later and stop the bleeding.

choicelady

Choice:

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – my grandfather was basically the character in “Stoner” the novel about a farm boy w a college degree who goes off to teach lit. Only problem w the novel is that it made Stoner the hero, wife the awful one and in reality it was the other way around. My GF was a follower of Rose Wilder Lane who influenced Ayn Rand.

choicelady

Oh Murph – LOVE that and Betty takes NO hostages! My kinda woman!

choicelady

Choice….quite the story, such characters.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – since we went ‘paleo’ I’m more the error secured repeatedly through trial.

choicelady

CL…I though you might like it.

MurphTheSurf3

My grandmother was wonderful. I remember my GF who died when I was 3, but while I loved him, later knowledge showed him to be racist anti Semite w fascist tendencies, so. No.

choicelady

Ad – I COULD PUBLISH THAT!

choicelady

I grew up after his death knowing he had good – great teacher – and bad – horrid human being. I never was under any illusions about him. But at 3 he was pretty cool. I’m glad I have those memories of him.

choicelady

Ad – chapter 1. Burned HOUSE. It’s that bad.

choicelady

Ad- I USED to be a very good cook. I just can’t get into this paleo crap.

choicelady

Chapter 2 – MY MASTERPIECE!

choicelady

Chapter 3 – Water Flambe.

choicelady

Ad – it’s stood my in good stead knowing that people are rarely all one thing or another.

choicelady

Ad – got chapter 4 DOWN.

choicelady

AD and Choice – this is like a Culinary Ping Pong Game being played by two first class cut-ups!

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – were my GF alive, he’d be a thorn in your side. Smart as anything, RW to the max.

choicelady

Murph – cut? I can cut. I have a Band Aid to prove it.

choicelady

Ad – that was tonight’s dinner. Down the drain.

choicelady

Choice…fortunately I do not have many of that quality and ilk

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – we talking my GF type or food. I’ve totally lost the thread.

choicelady

Murph – you’ve done SO MUCH for so many people, it peeves me no end they don’t listen.

choicelady

CHoice, your GF

MurphTheSurf3

Thank you my dear Lady!

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – I used to vote regularly for a GOP woman in Buffalo who was absolutely WONDERFUL. She was in the GOP because at the time the Dems pretty much sucked w a kind of Tammany Hall mentality. But she was prochoice, non racist, wonderful. Her types no longer is allowed IN the party.

choicelady

CL….A RINO IF I EVER SAW ONE! That is what they would say…..

MurphTheSurf3

Murph – my hat’s off to you for all you’ve done.

choicelady

CL…Thanks….I am a small town, small town doer but every bit helps.

MurphTheSurf3

sorry folks, gotta depart. See you all next week

pinkpantheroz

Back in the 60s I was in IL w Chuck Percy who supported my brother’s CO status in the draft. He was WONDERFUL. He’d be expelled, too.

choicelady

Well, I really must heed my need to recede from this fine conversation. The cock crows far too soon. Nite ALL

MurphTheSurf3

Good night PPO – lovely to see you. Sorry I was late and didn’t get a chance to talk.

choicelady

Next time, cl promise

pinkpantheroz

GOOD NIGHT Murph – stay strong for the planting!

choicelady

CL…I shall.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – I find that so outrageous I almost have no words other than FUCK YOU TRUMP!

choicelady

Ad – I’m QUITE sure he doesn’t see it that way, but you’re correct.

choicelady

I do think he will. He plays brinksmanship in biz and thinks that’s his strength. He is SO not ready to be president!

choicelady

Dems won’t cave because they can’t. No matter what he does, people will get screwed. They have to vote against this knowing they don’t control things and TELLING everyone that.

choicelady

VEry good points. He can’t see that what he did in a privately held company does NOT work in government. He gets bested by his OWN party.

choicelady

I agree. He is losing all cred with his lies and temper tantrums. That’s why I like it when Dems such as Schiff are just calm and collected. They are such a counterpoint to #45!

choicelady

I have two rules – NO Hollywood types, no business people. I have sat through Sacramento hearings with biz GOP who say stupid shit such as “well, this program never MADE money so it has to go”. WHAT??? That’s the rationale behind Meals on Wheels cuts – it doesn’t MAKE MONEY. Well it’s NOT SUPPOSED TO. That ideology is utterly wrong.

choicelady

Maxine Waters? She kicked his butt daily!

choicelady

LOVE her – and she pulls NO punches!

choicelady

Agreed – but what is sad is that the core of his supporters think those programs are exclusively for “those people” when the majority of recipients are white. They THINK Trump can refuse to support POC but keep the ‘deserving poor’ who ar, of course, white. Grrrr.

choicelady

Just WAIT until his tax plan is out and his followers discover we, the middle class and working people, are going to pay MORE while the uber rich get huge tax breaks.

choicelady

I regret I have a friend who doesn’t think her existence on Medi-Cal makes her a recipient of ‘welfare’. We don’t talk much anymore. She’s not racially biased but does have a hard on against people who take supports even though she does now too.

choicelady

She even dislikes DISABILITY! She uses the resources. She resents others who do the same.

choicelady

HRC never once voted to support WS. They WERE her constituents, and she could talk with them, but she was not in their pocket. TRUMP is the master of corrupt politics, and he’s refilled the swamp w toxic residue.

choicelady

Back to the earlier discussion – the racism of too many people is to the BONE.

choicelady

i didn’t say earlier that I will take Warren Buffet any day of the week over Trumpeter types. He’s very principled.

choicelady

Yes – she has the “I’m in need but YOU are a fraud” mentality. I’ve known her for decades, consider her a friend, but I just CANNOT tolerate that.

choicelady

No – racism is irrational.

choicelady

I can’t see Buffet or even Gates hanging w Trump.

choicelady

The people she resents are those whom she knows. One woman has two kids on disability, and my friend doesn’t “approve”. Well I’m sure HER friend would trade places to have kids without needs!

choicelady

We really have scraped the bottom of the barrell with DT’s appointments.

choicelady

I think she thinks they should scrape by without it even though SHE has Medi-Cal and Food Stamps herself. I simply cannot talk to her on this. She is liberal EXCEPT she judges other very harshly.

choicelady

First time EVER I totally agree with the Meteor Principle!

choicelady

Except he’d be at Mar-a-Lago…

choicelady

Could you arrange for the meteor to hit there>

choicelady

I don’t know. She occasionally agrees she’s too judgemental, but then later she goes back to her anger. She had a colleague whose husband was a seriously fucked up Vietnam vet on disability. When he died of lung cancer, the widow got widow’s benefits, and again my friend said, “I don’t think I approve of that”. I blew up. That woman had been his mainstay for umpteen years, and damned if she didn’t deserve ‘survivor pay’!

choicelady

I’m all for proper meteor timing.

choicelady

Agreed about the ‘collateral damage’.

choicelady

My friend does lack empathy, and that’s what hurts.

choicelady

She’s oddly the flip of most people. She commiserates with those whom she does NOT know and judges those whom she DOES know. It’s rather odd.

choicelady

It is – and that’s why we’ve grown apart. Drives me nuts.

choicelady

She has lots of friends – mostly people NOT in need. I could give you tons of analysis that I understand but am exhausted by. She is who she is. And she has good qualities along with the bad. She’s not a totally nasty person at all. But has this one quirk. And I can’t deal w it.

choicelady

Anyway – she hates Trump so there IS that.

choicelady

Oh indeed! But I think she’s not all that unusual. No – she does NOT want cuts in social programs. She just wants people SHE knows to be more self reliant! go figure!

choicelady

I can’t make sense of it. She supports social spending but judges her immediate peers harshly. It defies categorization1

choicelady

(That was an ! not a 1).

choicelady

Oh gosh – 40 years? She has made very bad choices in her life. VERY bad ones. And I think judging others is her way of compensating for her own weird life. If THEY are doing things wrong, then she’s not so bad. Makes a kind of weird logic.

choicelady

She has a BA degree and is perfectly capable, but she was “Daddy’s little girl” and had most good things land in her lap. She had two really bad marriages, got a very good job, and then lost it due to the COMPANY’s malfeasance. But she never looked for another because either she didn’t know HOW (every job she had just also landed in her lap until now) or didn’t think she should have to. She’s terrified of rejection and failure, so she started selling things on EBay and got early Social Security. Her younger son lives with her and pays most of the rent. She does OK. I gave her a dozen opportunities she could pursue, but she had to PURSUE them and couldn’t bring herself to do it. So I just shut up and stay away.

choicelady

As for HOPE I do want to talk to the League folks – one was intrigued, the other didn’t understand it. Now with the MA law, I think we might have a shot. I’ll try to prod Kathay again once I can find if the League folks are interested. I’ve NOT given up, but it has definitely taken a back seat to dealing w the state budget and all in light of Trumpian chaos!

choicelady

VERY good point, AdLib – she was spoiled and entitled but never rich or even terribly well off as an adult. It’s the pits to have champagne tastes on her beer budget though she’s NOT actually materialistic. It’s more a sense of demanding her right to her choices but not our right to our own. That said, she HAS been a good friend to me over the years. And she did NOT vote for Trump!

choicelady

I would LOVE that! I will push it soon with the League folks. I will keep you posted. I probably should give Greg back this computer – it’s tied to the printer, and he’s still doing work stuff on it. I won’t be on next week – in Ohio for a conference – but the week after should be good. BE WELL! It’s grand to reconnect!

choicelady

Nope. I do love her, but she drives me bonkers. Be well, AdLib. Talk again when I’m back from Ohio? I’m gone April 26-May 2. See you after that.

choicelady