Vox Populi – 3-17-2017

1Hey Ad! Did you enjoy St. Patrick’s Day?

pinkpantheroz

brb phone’s ringin

pinkpantheroz

Quiet. Did a lot of Skyping with overseas pals

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glenn!

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Hi Ad. Pinching people? Hmmmm. Hi PPO. Happy St. Patrick’s Day to you both, even though it’s almost over here. Guess it is over for you, PPO.

glenn

Yep. Lunchtime Saturday here. still, a good day. 31C!

pinkpantheroz

Can I say how much I hate the rude, stupid, arrogant SOB that we have for a president? What a disaster he is!

glenn

Have my invention – the Shamrock! Bottle of yellow beer into a glass. Add 1 measure VOK Curacao. Becomes bright green, white foam head, tastes like lemonade and has a kick like a mule!

pinkpantheroz

Ad, ;the trouble with that is we have to put up with the prick for another 4 years.

pinkpantheroz

Proven liars again, but my rant this week is although he’s been proven to be a liar over and over again, he suffers no consequences for his abhorrent, incessant lying. Here’s hoping you’re right, Ad, and in the long run, he will be brought down. I don’t see it happening any time soon, though.

glenn

Ad BLUE Curacao – forgot that bit! and…. only 2 per person limit!

pinkpantheroz

Wow, PPO, that sounds like one powerful libation!

glenn

I was tending bar in a club one night years ago on St. Pats night and some wiseguy complained there was no green beer. So I concocted this and it went down well – too well!!!

pinkpantheroz

Why only 2 years? Because of midterms? Do you think Dems will be able to take the House or Senate? After all, trump is actually doing what he said he would….or trying to, anyway. Besides the lying, which his base doesn’t seem to mind, and the bragging, which his base eats up, what do Dems have to run on?

glenn

ad, looks as if the GOP rats are jumping already. Budget and Trumpcare DOA

pinkpantheroz

Ad, Nah. no evil effects

pinkpantheroz

And, Ad, what do you think will happen with trumpcare, and trump’s budget? I realize that’s actually two questions, but do you think repubs will manage to repeal Obamacare?

glenn

PPO–I’m still not sure either the budget or trumpcare are DOA. After all, we have a republican government, and they will fall in line, just like they did when trump was nominated.

glenn

Or, I should say, I’m pretty sure they will fall in line. It would my heart good to see trump thwarted at every turn until his damn head explodes, but after all of their bluster, repubs will fall in line, I believe.

glenn

And, remember, if you believe something, then it’s a fact. That’s what I learned from our so-called president.

glenn

Well, Ad, I’m going to do my part to put a Dem in Price’s seat. That’s my congressional district, so whichever Dem gets the nom, he/she will get my vote!

glenn

Haven’t done the full monte on what went on with “president’ and Angela, but it seems frosty to say the least

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brb

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Ad–My real hope is that they keep fighting amongst themselves until the midterms; therefore get no big legislation passed. They have already been busier than they were in the eight years under PBO, and have passed some odious bills, including, of course, the TPP.

glenn

sorry guys n gals, your fall back time change puts Vox in the busy time here. I’ll pop in and out. Sorry

pinkpantheroz

Ad–the other scenario is the one I just described. They keep fighting each other, and manage to leave Obamacare on the books, which also leaves them in a vulnerable position, since they couldn’t do what they have been promising to do for seven years! But then again, there are the voters like the one in , Tennessee, who believes trumpcare saved her son. Who, of course, is covered under Obamacare, but the stupid woman believes it’s trumpcare that covered him. So, repubs will do everything they can to convince voters of how much trump has “helped” them.

glenn

Ad–There’s a limit to raising defense spending? Every Dem running in the midterms should be running on that simple fact. The repubs want to slash domestic spending, slash the State Department, and increase the defense budget to “unpresidented” levels. I would much rather my tax dollars go to helping poor people than killing people all over the world.

glenn

I think the one “good” thing trump has done with his budget is bring the differences between Dems and repubs to the forefront. Now repubs have to own all of their rhetoric for the past 30 years or so. The hating of the poor, the idolation of the rich, and the delusion that you can shrink the federal government to efficiency. Because what I’m seeing now is certainly not efficient. The repubs are showing that they don’t care one whit about the poor, and they certainly don’t care about our environment. This is what Dems should be shouting from the rooftops.

glenn

Ad–I love PBO, and with Ryan in charge, Boehner is looking “better.” I’ll bet Boehner is laughing his ass off about now.

glenn

Ad–see what short memories us old people have? Yes, I remember the sequestration battle well,now that you mention it. How come the repubs in Congress haven’t mentioned this to our so-called president? Are they going to “suprise” him with it?

glenn

Ad–and the lying, the lying. I see that one repub has come out and said that trump needs to apologize to President Obama. I’d like to see every repub in Congress say the same thing, and of course, every Dem should, once again, be shouting it from the rooftops. Get out in front of those cameras and DEMAND that he apologize. I know it will never happen, but Dems need to be saying this every day, and in every way they can!

glenn

You mean, allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines, right? I did read on one site that some Dems are floating the idea that if the repubs keep Obamacare, they (the Dems) will help them fix what is wrong with it. Can’t see that happening, though, because for seven years the repubs have promised to repeal Obamacare, not fix it. But, then again, repubs are good at convincing the base of the impossible, so it may happen.

glenn

I love it! That’s exactly what it is, “trump fatigue”. Not to mention our standing in the world is quickly going downhill. Would love to hear Merkel’s and Enda Kenney’s take on their talks with trump; I mean their honest opinions. I do love the way Kenny talked about the importance of immigrants to trump’s face.

glenn

Murph! How are you? Long time, no “see”.

glenn

Here is a gift……One of my side jobs is as a consultant to political groups, both left and right. In that capacity I was invited to a meeting of a county wide GOP planning group. Last night! Post CBO. The whole thing went Wrong from minute one. Near the end of the old hands, a man who had held county office a dozen times, summed it all up. I recorded it…here it is…. “Now listen here. This is what I am hearing. The CBO, a group that was appointed by us….they are John Boehner’s and Paul Ryan’s folks….we control the House! just dropped a big pile of turd pies on the Repeal (and so-called Replace) ObamaCare right on our heads. What did it say? Yeah….We are going to save some money (in Washington terms not a whole lot of that but some, no doubt.) States are going to have more control. Insurance companies and businesses are going to have less regulations. Ok, that sounds alright, conservative, but then what’s it gonna cost? Here is what it costs….Millions who had insurance are going to lose it right away and a whole bunch of folks who would be eligible under ObamaCare but don’t have it yet won’t be able to get it. We end up with the largest number of people since WWII without health insurance….AND who are those people: middle class, working poor, rural, red states, older….GOD DAMN IT….THEY ARE OUR PEOPLE.!!!! OH! The wise guys in DC tell us….look at the tax breaks…..Yeah! we are giving those with money more money by letting them off the hook when it comes to paying into the program. I KNOW THOSE ARE OUR PEOPLE TOO BUT THEY ARE DOING JUST FINE RIGHT NOW….WHY ARE WE MAKING IT EVEN BETTER FOR THEM BY CHOPPING THOSE WITHOUT RIGHT IN THE NECK? And then I here that premiums will be lower. First of all they are still going up and up but less up than under ObamaCare…ok, that is fine BUT as I read it OUR PEOPLE will not be able to afford it anyway because there will not be enough support for them to do so. Pissed? You bet. I am glad I am 73 and no longer in the front lines of this party. The whole thing is embarrassing. I have neighbors, dirt scrabble farmers, who have health insurance for the first time in their lives, in their mid 50’s. And so do their kids. They are asking me to tell them they got nothing to worry about. I wish I could.”

MurphTheSurf3

glenn, Kenny is not popular in Ireland – considered weak, but this will have helped him.

pinkpantheroz

Hi Glenn…been super busy with the Indivisible Crowd, with farm prep, with consulting, with life…..lots of Fridays out late. Tonight easier.

MurphTheSurf3

Guess who’s off to South WH as we speak?

pinkpantheroz

Murph, glad to be able to talk to you again. Your repub friend hit the nail on the head, didn’t he? Ad keeps telling me this is only going to get worse for the repubs, but as I watch trump lie and lie without consequence, I have little hope. However, good to hear that the base is riled up!

glenn

So how happy is Merkel at her presser with Trumpenstein?

MurphTheSurf3

Blow that photo up and their is one ticked off fraulein.

MurphTheSurf3

gorgeous tweet : “Today we have a smart, level-headed and decisive leader in Washington, D.C.. Too bad she has to go back to Germany.”

pinkpantheroz

Ad–Yeah, I know Kenny is not popular in Ireland, but he really pissed off trump, and that gives him “stature” in my book!

glenn

Samr here, glenn!

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Ad–that’s a good question for the Dem nominee to ask.

glenn

PPO–Love that tweet!

glenn

Ad–the good thing about what Murph’s repub rep said, is that it was said in a red state. Perhaps there is hope for my state, too!

glenn

FYI. State lines. There is NO federal legislation that keeps that regulates the sale of health insurance across state lines. There are state laws that block it. In most cases this is because of lobbying by insurers AND because insurance regulating commissions in some states fear junk policies from other states doing damage on their doorsteps.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–not only at the presser; did you see her face when our rude, boorish so-called president refused to shake her hand in the Oval Office? I really hope we don’t need Germany’s cooperation any time soon; because we may not get it. Does the stupid man who is our president realize how many US military bases are in Germany?

glenn

Ad…more and more this seems so….I only captured a bit of that interaction….It was HOT, HOT, HOT!

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–One can only hope.

glenn

Murph–glad to hear that repubs are finally getting fed up with their choice.

glenn

Murph–Once again, repubs are lying and obfuscating what the real problems are with insurance. I remember reading that about the state lines; yet repubs keep holding that up as a “fix” to Obamacare, and have been doing it for years!

glenn

Ad–exactly. That’s also the question that should be raised in regards to repealing Obamacare. Do we want to go back to “free market” solutions? That’s why repubs wanted to come up with a plan to fix insurance. And, their plan is Obamacare, yet they just can’t admit it.

glenn

why repubs wanted to come up with a plan way back in the 90’s.

glenn

Ad–the slashing of Medicaid is the repubs’ guarantee that Obamacare won’t work. Then they can say it’s a failure.

glenn

Glenn and Ad…with you both on all of those points. The GOP was COUNTING ON A CLINTON WIN so they could continue to undermine ACA, offer no alternatives, and refuse to work on any fixes AND then point to its collapse with sorrowful looks upon their faces and voices raised in horror at what the DEMS DID TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. But Trump won and they are on the hook.

MurphTheSurf3

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glenn, the CBO says that the ACA is not collapsing, so the GOP have to wear all of what’s coming

pinkpantheroz

Murph–yup. The repubs now have to own all of their rhetoric. And they have to own trump’s budget, too. Let’s make America great again by bombing the hell out of anyone we can! Let’s insult our allies; starve our elders and our poor, but “bombs away”. Let them own it!

glenn

Did anyone see the budget items for squillions of dosh for Infrastructure promised by ‘President’? I seem to have missed that

pinkpantheroz

PPO–yup. The GOP will have to wear it. I must admit, from my perspective, it’s looking like they are wearing something that is pretty ugly!

glenn

… and smelly, g!

pinkpantheroz

Trumpcare…….or as one of those I helped get his family’s ACA health plan calls it “Crapcare”….His family gets 11,000 a year under the ACA…..under the Trumpcare plan he gets $4500. Disaster.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO–the infrastructure funds are being diverted to build the wall.

glenn

Ad…I love the struggle and the gaping mouth……it is them!

MurphTheSurf3

Oh, that wall that Mexico is paying for? well, well, well.

pinkpantheroz

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–yup, typical republican. Mouth open, but nothing of any sense is coming out!

glenn

glenn…nice add-on.

MurphTheSurf3

And the word is that the infrastructure bill is just another tax giveaway

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–but deficits and debt only count when a Democrat is president. They don’t matter when a repub is president. IOIYAR, dontcha know?

glenn

Glenn….except for the Freedom Forum Folks who are hanging tough on this one….part of the deal with the Republican Study Group that Trump made is to make Trumpcare budget neutral….good luck, bucky!

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–of course the infrastructure bill is another tax giveaway. A lot of it will go to Mrs. McConnell’s family and friends, since she’s now the head of the Transportation Department, and her family is heavily involved in transportation projects. Isn’t it “nice” how that all works out?

glenn

Murph–yeah, that’s why he’s trying to slash as many programs as he can…to pay for the wall and for the increased military budget.

glenn

Glenn when do we get to announce that our goal is to make Trump a 1/2 term president!

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…he is already almost there…..right now he is in moaning and confused stage….anger is next…and then acceptance that his buddy is screwing him and his family without a moment of regret.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad….those cards will be on line and pdf downloadable….

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Ad..yep.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–that announcement can’t come too soon for me. My theory is that the repubs in Congress have been waiting for trump’s signature on their health care bill, and waiting for his budget. Now that they have botched health care, and trump has come out with his budget, they can blame everything on him, and come out the “victims” again. Then, of course, we’ll have Pence, who has five working digits to sign whatever ryan and mcconnell put in front of him. Problem solved.

glenn

and the dumb fucker actually BELIEVED Liarinchief!

pinkpantheroz

sorry my insert didnt!

pinkpantheroz

Glenn….Pence, at least, knows how government works, but his instincts are almost as bad as Trump’s and the GOP will be bloodied no matter how quickly the resolution comes.

MurphTheSurf3

pinkpantheroz

Ad…precisely…..and the stages hurt.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad and Murph–good. I hope the Freedom Forum and the tea party hold firm on not exploding the deficit. Love to see those repubs fighting over what they say as opposed to what they do!

glenn

AL GOP Rep. Robert Aderholt believs the SOBinchief?

pinkpantheroz

PPO the “Alabama” statement makes no sense at all.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO–who is this dumb fucker who thinks that trump is going to take care of him 1000%?

glenn

and these guys run the friggin country, Murph

pinkpantheroz

How can Alderholt think that the GOP bill, the Trumpcare bill will not hurt that old person…..bastards.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO – Yeah.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, he’s the effin Governor of Albama, y’all!

pinkpantheroz

Ad..not in Alabama….stupid is as stupid does there.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO–Love the part about, “he looked me right in the eye”. As though trump hasn’t had about 50 years of practice looking people in the eye and lying through his teeth. As my husband used to say, “He got his tongue wrapped around his eyeteeth, and couldn’t see what he was saying was a lie.”

glenn

Where do we think the Liar in Chief crises around “Obama bugging Trump Tower” is heading?

MurphTheSurf3

Feinstien is hinting impeachment. Is that right?

pinkpantheroz

Sent to me by a Trumpeter:

MurphTheSurf3

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Murph–I hope it leads to trump’s impeachment, but that’s the most optimistic I can be. I think trump will get away with his lies, and nothing will come of it, because he’ll come up with another crisis to “out-crisis” this crisis, so he doesn’t have to be held accountable.

glenn

Murph–so the trumpite believes Obama “wiretapped” trump?

glenn

BRB

glenn

glenn, that seems to be the strategy, pile on crisis after crisis. Wheres TrumpRussia right now? thats Monday, right? What’s the betting there will be a new utterance over the weekend to distract?

pinkpantheroz

Glenn….if not for the damage that Trump will continue to do I would love for him to swing slowly in the breeze.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…Obama is living in Washington to keep control of the deep-state government that he controls. SO SAY THEY.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, they built the swamp on quicksand to begin with. No surprise then.

pinkpantheroz

Remember when the GOP complined about PBO’s occasional golf game? Deathly silence now.

pinkpantheroz

thank you kind sir!

pinkpantheroz

PPO…Trump has golfed two rounds EVERY WEEK since becoming president…those weekend trips to his palace in Florida….$4 million a trip! Security upgrades at Miro Lago…$20 million and up.

MurphTheSurf3

Nope, I was talking about him!

pinkpantheroz

Anyone seen Melanoma or Isvestia recently?

pinkpantheroz

Ad, I’m vladdy glad!

pinkpantheroz

Note Trump’s AM tweet today: “North Korea is behaving very badly. They have been “playing” the United States for years. China has done little to help!” Oooooohhhhhh, hard hitting and deep.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad – Trump costs for travel to Miro Lago is $4 a trip…..

MurphTheSurf3

Real Presidential, Murph, if your President of your 6-year old class.

pinkpantheroz

MurphTheSurf3

well, folks, time to do my Saturday Shopping. Great chat today. Keep smiling, so you don’t punch hhls in the walls. Cheerio

pinkpantheroz

Gotta love those flies coming out of the back of the diaper!

MurphTheSurf3

Take care PPO……

MurphTheSurf3

Cheerio, PPO. Enjoy your shopping!

glenn

Ad…Not Putin you on……awful…but good.

MurphTheSurf3

byeeeee!

pinkpantheroz

Murph–yup, even the flies don’t want to be around the trumpster.

glenn

Ad…..and $20 million in upgrades at Miro….plus, as you note millions a week for Trump Tower.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad and Murph–as many people have pointed out, the cost of keeping Melania in NY or the cost of two of trump’s trips to Mar-A-Lago would pay for many of those budget items that trump wants to cut.

glenn

Well…I think we are ending on a good note……Trump is full of shit.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad and Glenn…think of how many meals on wheels could be covered by those millions and billions.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…groan…

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–seems we’re ending right where we started, we’ve all known he’s full of shit since the beginning. However, on that note, I will say “good night.” Great chatting with you all tonight. Take care and hope to see you next week.

glenn

Well, gotta go…..as well…long day ahead.

MurphTheSurf3

Take care Glenn and Ad…..

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, sending you a note sometime this weekend.

MurphTheSurf3