Vox Populi – 12-9-2016

Thanks a bunch, Ad. see you soon.

pinkpantheroz

Well, rudi’s out, thank goodness. now which billionaire will Drumpf pick for SecState?

pinkpantheroz

Apparently, an ex Exxon CEO is now the top pick

pinkpantheroz

Add more alligators

pinkpantheroz

with plenty of toads to make noise

pinkpantheroz

yes, but we know who’ll get hurt the mmost, and it wont be the 1%

pinkpantheroz

Just stopped by to say “Hi”….there is an emergency meeting of my co-op tomorrow. We have been fighting a battle with a local fertilizer plant whose runoff is endangering our ground water. The EPA was a key player in this. Now….we need to look at our options. I am tired and tomorrow will be a long day.

MurphTheSurf3

Best of luck, Murph. Am assuming the effort to remove you and your friends failed?

pinkpantheroz

put it another way, Murph, they saw sense?

pinkpantheroz

We have been at this for three years…..we had another case 7 years ago and the EPA sorted it out. This one is more complex….I don’t know what we will do.

MurphTheSurf3

well, go get some rest. You’ll b e no good if you’re out on your feet. G’night!

pinkpantheroz

brb

pinkpantheroz

Yes, PPO the effort died away…..no one else wanted to take up a leadership role and now this ground water matter. You all know that nearly all of the co-op members are Trump supporters. The mental disconnect is extraordinary.

MurphTheSurf3

Good evening, gents. How is everyone?

glenn

Nor do I. BTW I have not decided if I am willing to continue to work for these idiots any longer. The co-op does little to benefit me.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad, I’ve been better. Between the cold weather, (which you know I hate), the holiday season (which depresses me), and the trumpelthinskin being president elect, I’m a little down. I’m trying to work through it, so came here for some sense and cheer.

glenn

The news about the russian connection to the last election and the intent to swing the election to Trump…and how the GOP leadership in the House and Senate voted to keep it quiet. Stunning.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–hope you can work things out with the co-op.

glenn

Ad, the run off streams will most affect a dozen or so of our members and I am not one of them. I am at the far end of the run. BUT the person most affected had Trump/Pence signs all along his fence line. Irony.

MurphTheSurf3

There will be many more things that the repubs will keep silent, Murph. They have now equated President Obama’s playing golf to trump’s producing his stupid reality show. The hypocrisy is stunning. Overheard a conversation in a restaurant at lunch today where some deplorable was saying how we are so much “better off” now that trump has been elected. And, this was in a Mexican restaurant!

glenn

Hi, glenn, sorry you’re chilly. Can’t believe what I’m seeing on the TV about winter storms. nove to Australia!

pinkpantheroz

Move

pinkpantheroz

I agree, Ad. We do need to cheer each other up. Didn’t mean to dump on you; I try not to dump my problems on others; sorry about that.

glenn

Glenn…I have been swimming in a cesspool of gloaters here as I spy the speeding trump train bearing down on their lives without them being in the least aware.

MurphTheSurf3

PPO–I would move to Australia in a hearbeat if it weren’t for my family here.

glenn

glenn, stay where you are. It’s not all Beaches and sunlight ( although there IS a lot of that).

pinkpantheroz

Murph–do you think they’ll ever wake up? Or will everything be Obama’s fault from now on?

glenn

Ad, and all the Twits in the Twittersphere will be conned all the way.

pinkpantheroz

Glenn…you are correct there is more to be revealed and I hope it is….as to waking up…Yes, in the seconds before the train wipes them out.

MurphTheSurf3

The problem is that the Mainstream Media, while they may be writing articles and reporting all Trump’s lies, is not where people are looking for their ‘News”. they want to get all the shite from facebook, Twitters etc..

pinkpantheroz

Ad–I remember when I used to say that trickle down economics was just pissing on all of us. Now, as you say, we won’t just get pissed on (and pissed off), we will be constantly wiping the BS off. And, there is nothing that any liberal, Democrat, progressive, or independent can say or do that will seemingly change the minds of the trump cultists. Because, in my mind, that’s what they are, cultists. Nothing else explains their behavior.

glenn

Ad…I cannot wait to hear how that guy is going to address this. Tomorrow may be my last day with the co-op.

MurphTheSurf3

I have run out of patience and forebearance.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph, if it is your last day, please be sure to let fly fully about your thoughts on Trump voters. Give ’em an earful!

pinkpantheroz

brb

pinkpantheroz

PPO….in a land of nasty people with guns….I will bow out gracefully suggesting that given the election it seems clear they need leadership that reflects those results.

MurphTheSurf3

BRB

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–so sorry you are out of patience. I admire your fortitude and your willingness to work for your community. Just remember that we here at the Planet admire and appreciate you.

glenn

Thank you Glenn….you have shared your own frustrations in the Southland so you know from whence I come….I appreciate the support.

MurphTheSurf3

In a feeble effort to make you smile, and of course to blow my own trumpet, let me suggest that you check out Time Out for O/T for a laugh.

pinkpantheroz

Ad–will the trump cultists’ suffering ever reach a point where they abandon trump? I’m beginning to believe that it never will. It will always be someone else’s fault. Just look at the recent events with the union leader. Now trump’s cultists are harassing him on social media and threatening his children. It’s not trump’s fault he lied (trump, that is); it’s the union leader’s fault for pointing it out.

glenn

glenn, and the correspondent he’s now targeting for doing the same thing

pinkpantheroz

Ad…I agree….there was no formal move made but I was aware of the plan to call for me to resign with a vote of no-confidence as the lever. They could not gather enough votes. However, your summary of likely action is correct. I am 90 percent sure that I will be very passive during the matter and let them rant. Then when nothing has been done and they turn to three of us on the Executive Board I am 75 percent certain that I will indicate I am stepping down.

MurphTheSurf3

BRB

MurphTheSurf3

PPO–exactly. And once again, the media tries to portray “both sides” instead of pointing out that it was trump who lied; and not the union leader’s nor the correspondent’s fault for pointing it out. The media needs to start asking pointed questions, and not let trump, nor his minions, get away with not answering them.

glenn

glenn, Trump won’t let the Press anywhere near him. He thinks he’s doing just fine spreading his crap via Twitter.

pinkpantheroz

PPO–the sad thing is, that trump IS doing just fine spreading his crap via Twitter. The media should play his game where he is and ask him pointed questions on Twitter. Sooner or later, he’ll have to answer, or blow up at them for being “dishonest.” I’m still trying to figure out how the press is “dishonest” for quoting trump’s words exactly. Blows my mind.

glenn

I wonder what the Tumpeters will react when he shatters yet another promise. He’s apparently admitted that sending HRC to jail was just a ploy for votes.

pinkpantheroz

Ad–I swear, I’m beginning to long for the “good old days” when we had journalists who were proactive instead of reactive.

glenn

Hope so, Ad. this pre-swearing in posturing and trating the US people as contestants in a reality game has to stop sometime.

pinkpantheroz

Glenn…I like your twitter idea.

MurphTheSurf3

#HOHOHEYHEYHOWMANYLIESDIDYOUTELLTODAY? …… would that tend?

pinkpantheroz

PPO–yes and no. Last week or so, trump’s barbie doll, Kellyanne Conway, still threatened HRC with an investigation unless she stops supporting the recount. It will be a sword he will hold over her head for the whole time he is president. Meanwhile, his daughter is sitting on foreign government meetings, he is still running his businesses, he will have his own TV station, and he will produce a television reality show all the while being President. And the conservatives will continue to complain about President Obama playing golf, and taking his wife out for their anniversary. SMH!

glenn

Murph–If I were a journalist, that’s what I’d do. Play his game so he loses it.

glenn

ad….I agree with your assessment. I spoke to the other two on the Exec earlier this evening…Neither will stay on the Executive if I don’t. I won’t leave the co-op and would be willing to continue handling the joint and shared talents/services component of the co-op if they ask. Beyond that….nothing.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–as much as I’d like to agree with you, I just don’t see them blaming trump. It may change, but so far anything he’s done hasn’t changed anyting. And, it’s not just the middle class I’m talking about. It’s the congress critters who are blithely letting trump get away with all of this crap, like not attending security briefings, not divestig himself of his businesses, letting his daughter, who has been neither elected nor appointed nor has a job with the government, sit in on foreign government meetings. People like ryan and mcconnel are so focused on destroying our economy, our safety net, our insurance programs, Social Security, Medicare, that they don’t give two hoots what trump does. As long as he signs what they put in front of him, they’ll excuse anything! And, I mean anything! If President Obama or HRC had done or said even half of the things trump has, the repubs in congress would be screaming bloody murder. Instead, trump lies, tramples people’s rights, and silence!

glenn

Murph, if there is no cooperation in the co-op, why keep hitting your head on a wall?

pinkpantheroz

Thanks Ad….you make a good point. I probably need to step down from that coordination role too and if the new Exec comes hat in hand I can consider dispassionately.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–it seems as though you’ve come to a decision, difficult as it may be. I think, from the little I know, that that’s the best decision for you and your mental health. Perhaps, as Ad says, they will ask after they screw it up so badly that they need your help.

glenn

Glenn – you make a compelling case about how oily Trump is….he scoots out of one dead end after another.

MurphTheSurf3

Glenn…I thank you for your assessment. And I think you are spot on. AND I have other fish to fry now. I am thinking of joining a progressive action group that has spun off of the Duckworth campaign.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–I agree with you to a certain point. However, his talk and BS are getting dangerous. Just look at the gunman who went into the DC restaurant looking for the baby killing ring of HRC. And the idiots who are threatening the union leader because of trump. His words are making things worse, so although he won’t take responsibility, he is responsible. We’ll see if it changes once he becomes president.

glenn

Murph–I think you need to go where you are appreciated and where you will be able to make positive change. That seems to be what you do best and what is the best for you. I still remember your story about the grocer and how you helped him understand Obamacare. That is where your talents lie, IMO, and where you can do the most good.

glenn

Ad….the trick is that coordination is really leadership….the more I chat about this the less interested I am. I am having a similar reaction those who are now speaking to me about fears of the loss of health care coverage….coverage I helped them get.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad–we’ll see if the people supporting trump now will turn on him once he becomes president.

glenn

Glenn….he more I chat about this the less interested I am. I am having a similar reaction those who are now speaking to me about fears of the loss of health care coverage….coverage I helped them get.

MurphTheSurf3

At some point people have to deal with the outcomes emerging from their choices.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–good. I’m glad we can help you through this decision. To those who are fearing the loss of their health care, so be it. I’m sure you talked to them before the election about what would happen, and now that you have been proven correct, they have no one to blame but themselves, and I believe you should tell them so.

glenn

Glenn…I was honest from the start of the general election campaign and became more earnest as time went on. They would not listen.

MurphTheSurf3

Ad…agreed.

MurphTheSurf3

Murph–then there is nothing more you can do for them. As you say, they have to deal with the outcomes emerging from their choices. And I would not be the least bit hesitant to tell them so.

glenn

Glenn and Ad…heading to bed with a clearer head….will fill you in next week. Oh, by the way, the meeting is Not on my farm as they have been almost from the start but at a local church hall. I think that was set up as the place for the vote of confidence. It works for me.

MurphTheSurf3

G’night Murph. Glad we could help, and also glad that the meeting is at a church hall, and you won’t have to waste time and energy kicking all those ungrateful bastards off of your farm!

glenn

Ad….we will find out. I fully realize that this could be the first step in the unraveling of the co-op.

MurphTheSurf3

Nite….

MurphTheSurf3

night, Murph. Give ’em Hell!

pinkpantheroz

Ad–it seems to me that what Murph is facing is a microcosm (sp) of what we are facing now in the entire country. The trump cultists have gotten what they asked for; we’ll see what they do with it. And, Ad, I think they are determined to burn the US to ashes. I just hope we can rise from it.

glenn

My poor old laptop is beginning to overheat, so I’d better sign off before it does it for me! Everybody have a good weekend and I’ll see you next week, where I hope Murph has found a good resolution.

pinkpantheroz

blush

pinkpantheroz

Ad–I’m inclined to think the answer to your question is a 50-50 gamble. I’m hoping that the cultists come to their senses, but given the past few weeks, I don’t see it. However, I’m hopeful that, as you say, Ad, they will lose so much once he becomes president that they will finally begin to lift the veil off of their eyes. The thing I”m worried about is if the congress critters gut all of these programs, will we ever get them back again? Do you think the pendulum will swing that far back?

glenn

One part of me wants these people to pay a price so large that they will never, ever again fall for a charlatan like trump. The problem is, that we will ALL pay the same price. That’s what worries me. And, to be frank, it’s not so much trump I’m worried about as it is ryan and mcconnell, who are determined to shove their agenda through no matter what the cost!

glenn

Ad–you’re right that the cultists lives have not changed much in the past few weeks. As I said, I’m hopeful that they will finally realize what they’ve done. But, will it be too late? Ryan and mcconnell are practiaclly salivating at the thought of gutting everything progressive in this country. There is no way the Democrats can stop them, as far as I can see, so will we ever get these programs back again?

glenn

Therein lies the problem. They are emotionally driven and no amount of logic or reason or wisdom will help. That’s what worries me the most. We have been fighting these fights for the last 40 years; will this be the end of it? Will the repubs be able to turn our government into a government for the 1%?

glenn

Ad–I’m so hoping you’re right. I’m already looking to Obama’s presidency as the good old days. It’s getting late here, so I’m going to sign off now. Take care, and I’ll look forward to the music thread this weekend. G’night Ad.

glenn