Vox Populi – 5-27-2016

Vox Populi, our live weekly chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. Hope to see you then!

AdLib 7 days ago

Haruko! How are you?

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I know! What’s going on?

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Congrats!!! You should be very proud!

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Are they both heading to college?

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Hey Murph!

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Haruko – Fantastic! What are they studying?

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Very cool! And what a great school!

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Heh! What school did you go to?

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And you always cheer for your kids’ school, right?

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Well…you’re going to be sitting on the Pepperdine side with them (or cheering them) so cheering for St. Mary’s there would be very gutsy!

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Wow!!! Academic scholarships?

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Murph – I pass Pepperdine often in the summer, right on Pacific Coast Hwy and one of the canyon roads to the beach. Just amazing campus and location.

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Haruko, that is just so damn fantastic!

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Such a big deal that they can graduate without student debt.

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Murph – And they don’t have to waste money on Trump spray tans.

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So…anyone believe the polls showing Trump neck and neck with Hillary? BTW, Presidents aren’t elected via national numbers anyway, it’s state by state of course.

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Hey Beatlex!

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Haruko – That makes much more sense to me. I think white males are being very overpolled.

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Hey Kes!

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Murph – I think it’s two things. The GE hasn’t started yet and too many people are still uninformed about the threat Trump poses if he was President. Second, the Dem race isn’t settled yet so support for the Dem nom is still splintered (but won’t be eventually). Third, polling has been so wrong over the last two Presidential elections, I think the pollsters are using methods that don’t work as well today, many younger voters and less affluent voters don’t have landlines and don’t participate in polls.

AdLib 7 days ago

Haruko – I just posted a couple of comments about that, I agree. Once the Dem Convention is held and a deal is worked out between Bernie and Hillary, I think support for Hillary will strengthen and outpace Trump.

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Beatlex – I assure you, Trump will not win. There aren’t enough white bigoted men to outnumber women, Latinos and all the many big voting groups he’s attacked and will continue to attack. He will lose by a clear and solid margin. Remember, this is about state electoral votes, not national popularity. So while millions in TX may support him, they only get one set of electoral votes to give. And Dems start off with almost all they need based on the states that are Dem or lean Dem.

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Hey glenn!

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Murph – That’s not making a mess, Sanders is helping to create a Dem convention that can attract his and Hillary’s supporters. This is not an election year where Hillary or the DNC can crow that they won and everything will be their way, they would alienate a huge portion of Dem voters. This will be a tough, negotiated process, Bernie and Hillary and the convention. But when it is done, I think the party will be bigger and more united.

AdLib 7 days ago

Murph – Yes, I think Trump’s complete hypocrisy will be exposed and become very damaging as we go into GE debates. I think Hillary will slice Trump into dog food.

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Haruko – That is not reasoning you can find outside of a Tea Party basement. Definitely a troll.

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Murph – Remember the severe rifts between Hillary and Obama in 2008? The charges of playing the race card, the woman card, the Muslim card, the PUMAs…that was far worse and Dems came together.

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Murph – I agree, Hillary does not have the ability of emotionally connecting with people but I think that the contrast, having Trump attacking her viciously and her standing up to him and knocking him down, will bring the kind of respect and support she got from the public as SoS and after weathering the Benghazi hearing.

AdLib 7 days ago

glenn – I think you put it perfectly! That convention negotiation is what needs to happen before there can be unity. Progressives are the activists in the party, they need to feel invested in the platform and Hillary’s campaign and I think they will. And don’t forget these two turbo boosts for Hillary…her VP pick could energize Progressives and she’ll have President Barack Obama, whose approval ratings keep going up, as a loud advocate. Trump has nothing like that in his greasy bag of tricks,

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Haruko – I agree, I think most of those spouting ‘Bernie or Bust” are Repub trolls trying to sow division. There are legit Bernie supporters getting hysterical like that but I don’t think it’s a big percentage.

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Murph – I don’t think it will be the 1st week in June that he throws in completely behind Hillary but by the end of the convention, when it really matters, he will. It’s a different situation this time around, Bernie has been campaigning on changing the Dem system as well as economic systems. In order for him to fulfill that promise, he can’t just roll over next week. His movement would disperse and he wouldn’t be able to bring them over to Hillary.

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Murph – Remember New Hampshire 2008? Remember the debate where Obama said, “You’re likeable enough”? By being such a monstrous person and attacking people so viciously, watch as Hillary becomes more “likeable” and garners more support as she stands up to him. This is an ideal situation for her, as she stands up to the fascist, getting savaged by him, she will become more sympathetic and respected.

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Stands up to Trump, that is.

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Kes – I think the most hostile Hillary supporters who are attacking Bernie and his supporters will change their tune quickly once Bernie backs her wholly at the convention. These things are quickly put aside when opponents come together.

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Kes – Yes, June 7th. Looking forward to doing my part in having CA go to Bernie.

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Murph – I think that only the Repub haters are eating up Trump’s abusive language. Polls prove this, he loses in every demo except white men.

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Night Kes!!!

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Murph – The only way you convince the Bernie supporters to get behind Hillary, is for them to see that they are included in the platform and her campaign. It won’t matter that it happens at the convention, when it happens, Trump is doomed.

AdLib 7 days ago

Haruko, it is disappointing that this Dem primary has been so bitter between fellow Dems who support different candidates. It seems reflective of the narrowing that hurts us as a society, wanting only to hear what validates our choices and seeing it as an attack if someone has an opposing opinion. Hate to hear it’s cost you friends.

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glenn – With you on that. It has been troubling for me to see Dems applying a purity test to Bernie and his supporters. Elections are about building support from everywhere possible, trying to tear down others who aren’t “oure” enough is self-destructive.

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Murph – That’s just silly, don’t you think? That poorly written article is presuming that if Bernie wins CA, Hillary will lose CA to Trump? Crazy!

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Haruko – Good point, it’s not acceptable in that direction either. My response to someone who says that would be, “So a real Progressive would allow Trump to become President needing one less vote to do so?”

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Murph – I find such opinion pieces so narrow minded. Yes, Hillary is not winning the states that have more Progressive voters. So? Does that mean Progressives in those states will vote against her in a GE and vote for Trump? This is a small snapshot of this one moment in time, it will not matter that Bernie won WA, CA, etc. in November because Hillary will win those states.

AdLib 7 days ago

glenn – So true, I’ve seen it every cycle though, those claiming to be Progressives or Dems who act just like Repubs on party purity. Terrible no matter who does it but more hypocritical for anyone calling themselves a Progressive…there’s nothing Progressive about it.

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glenn – You may need to clear your cache and restart your browser, that should help!

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Murph – The most important momentum to a Presidential campaign is coming out of the convention. Better that Hillary takes some blows now and by convention time, there’s nothing else coming at her on the email thing. Remember 2008? Going into his convention and coming out of it, Obama had all the momentum, McCain was viewed as toast. Then he brought on Palin as his VP and she got media hype at the convention, then it was a race again. So what’s more important is after the convention.

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Haruko – I assume that the Hillary camp will launch an all out campaign showing Trump to be crooked and a liar and by equalizing him with her, it will become something that isn’t determinative. If that is equalized, then the issue will be experience and Trump would get creamed on that.

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Murph – The truth seems to be that Hillary did indeed ignore the rules and did what she wanted to do. Then again, hasn’t Trump done that in a big way? I think that Hillary’s campaign will be about equalizing her negatives with Trump then focusing on her positives as a potential President where Trump could never match up. Not being cynical, just strategic.

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Haruko – Yes, that swiftboating of Kerry was so awful. Very ugly chapter in election history.

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Murph – That’s just not true. Trump has 70% disapproval from women, Latinos, blacks, young voters. Trump is only teflon to his Repub base. Seen the protests against Trump’s every stop in CA? What do you think all those activists will be doing and voting for? They are far undercounted IMO.

AdLib 7 days ago

Seeya Haruko! SO nice to have you at The Planet!

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And on Vox!

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Look forward to seeing you soon!

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Beatlex – You’re in Canada, he just wants the same kind of health care system. He’s been attacked for explaining that taxes will go up to pay for it (but people will save more by not paying for insurance). So, he isn’t promising free stuff.

AdLib 7 days ago

And “free college” is actually paid for in his budget plan by taxing Wall Street for each transaction they make.

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Working any better, glenn?

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Hey PPO!

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PPO – You should switch to PDT!

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Great, glenn! Hate when that happens!

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PPO – Depends on where in the US you are, definitely some areas that are nice and very affordable but here in LA, costs a bit more.

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Beatlex – Yep, I think that’s a mistake. He shouldn’t have ever called any of these programs “free” and explained that they are just like going to public school, you pay taxes but don’t pay to go to school.

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PPO – That’s the case, there are a handful of pretty expensive cities in the US but there are often suburbs or nearby towns that are much more reasonable. As they say in real estate, it’s all about location, location, location.

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An elderly lady who lived next door to me passed away, she was a sweetheart and a wonderful neighbor. Her estranged son inherited the house and sold it to a developer who tore her house down and is building a massive monstrosity in it’s place. This is happening all over LA. The trend is making it so that only the wealthy will eventually be able to buy houses. Home ownership nationwide is sinking, the wealthy, hedge funds, the Chinese, etc. are buying up both commercial and residential property madly. The future they see is America as a land of people paying rent to the wealthy, not home owners.

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PPO – 11 weeks? How can you stand it???

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PPO – At least with taxation, those who can pay are the ones that pay and the poor aren’t doomed to a virtual indentured servitude of paying off $80,000 in student loans.

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glenn – Yes, SF is now just ridiculously unaffordable and Silicon Valley is to blame for that too. A reflection of the economic disparity out there, some with huge amounts of money and a majority just getting by or worse.

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Just looked this up: One bedroom apartments in San Francisco rent for $3096 a month on average and two bedroom apartment rents average $4126.

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Here’s the link to that data: https://www.rentjungle.com/average-rent-in-san-francisco-rent-trends/

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glenn – And consider that there are plenty of Starbucks, McDonalds, etc. in SF where workers are getting paid minimum wage. They can’t afford to live where they work.

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glenn – Have a great weekend, Happy Memorial Day in advance!

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glenn – Well, we are PlanetPOV, folks from all over! Cheers!

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PPO – So how does the election over there look?

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Is the nation more Liberal or just where you are?

AdLib 7 days ago

Now that sounds familiar!

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I’ll have a ham on rye. Have a great weekend!

AdLib 7 days ago

Well Beatlex, looks like it’s time to wrap Vox for the night! Have a great weekend and see you next week!