Happy Friday! Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins at 7:00 pm PST! Feel free to bring your deflated balls tonight! See you then!
adlib 7 days ago
Hey PPO!
adlib 7 days ago
Hey ad! A bit deflated cos nno one’s here yet, but its a bit early, right?
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Yep, a little early but that means we’ve got the bar and all the appetizers to ourselves.
adlib 7 days ago
Yum! A cousin of my wife sent me some Crystal Hot sauce from Louisiana. Lovely stuff! Great with the shrimps on the barbie!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Tabasco’s from Louisiana too, they do know how to make hot sauce there.
adlib 7 days ago
Yes, we’ve had Tabasco there for ever, but it is nice to see alternatives
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Do you like cajun-style food?
adlib 7 days ago
Love it, but get very little opportunity to indulge, as my wife is Allergic to any kind of Red pepper or chile
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
BRB, grabbing a coffe before battle commences!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Wow, glad she knows about the allergy.
adlib 7 days ago
Seeya in a bit!
adlib 7 days ago
Oh, yes, we found out big time when in Sydney!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Yeow! She had a severe reaction?
adlib 7 days ago
Hey glenn!
adlib 7 days ago
Hospital case!………………Hey glenn
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Good evening, Ad and PPO
glenn
7 days ago
Any inflating news, G?
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
That had to be pretty scary, PPO.
adlib 7 days ago
PPO—nope, pretty much deflated here with the rain.
glenn
7 days ago
Sorry to hear about your wife’s reaction, PPO. Was this recently?
glenn
7 days ago
What’s up people?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
And we thought the Repubs were full of hot air!
adlib 7 days ago
Nice and sunny here, with the tennis full bore on the telly. Great only if you like tennis.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Hey KT!
adlib 7 days ago
Hey KT–Same old same old here. How about you?
glenn
7 days ago
All is well!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
No, glenn, it was years ago, but she’s stayed clear of anything other than white or black pepper.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Hello, KT
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
PPO, is your wife OK?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Fine, Kt, thanks. Just allergic to chile and capsicum-type stuff.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
PPO–glad to hear she’s okay now and knows what to avoid. Never you, though, right? (Avoidance, I mean).
glenn
7 days ago
Well that’s a relief.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Is it me or is it ridiculous that the MSM has spent so much time on deflated footballs when so many important things are going on in the world?
adlib 7 days ago
Ad–c’mon Ad. It’s very important to take care of your balls, dontcha think? Never having had any, I do hear it’s important, though.
glenn
7 days ago
Pre-game hype Ad. As if the Superbowl needs any more hype than it gets already.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
The MSM has been treating it like it
adlib 7 days ago
It’s you Ad! you know Deflategate overshadows minor things like japanese hostages, netenYahoo ot those silly guys in Yemen.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
You got that right glenn. The “boys,” are very important.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT–I’ll take your word for it.
glenn
7 days ago
glenn, ask Hillary!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
All non-essence personell are leaving Yemen. Good move.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Ad–so what do you think of the boner inviting Netanhayu to speak in front of Congress?
glenn
7 days ago
The MSM has been treating Deflategate like it’s Ferguson or Eric Garner. It’s just about some footballs being deflated. This is performance art, the MSM satirizing itself and not having a clue that it is.
adlib 7 days ago
glenn, they’re not called the family “jewels,” for nothing!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
PPO–LOL! 
glenn
7 days ago
Actually, one could say to Boehner and crew…”You guys got a lot of balls….” for some of the shyte they’ve pulled in the last 7 years or so.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Every now and then I scan HP, and see today that SCOTUS is taking on Lethal Injections. Too much to dream that……
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
I think the MSM should be synonymous with deflated balls.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad–The MSM has an overinflated sense of their own importance; but a deflated sense of what news actually is!
glenn
7 days ago
PPO – If only the story was how you described it, that the SCOTUS was taking on lethal injections…except for the 4 sane justices that is.
adlib 7 days ago
glenn, it’s cheap, doesn’t take much journalistic nous to put together, and it is fun for them to try and throw the Pats off their game
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
glenn – Make that underinflated.
adlib 7 days ago
I’m not big on the death penalty, but as long as some states are going to carry it out, I think they spend far too much time and money doing it. A .45 to the back of the head is not only a lot quicker, it’s very likely a lot less painful than any other method. A bit messier though.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
BRB
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
KT–But that form of death is not “sanitized”, as if killing someone by lethal injection supposedly is.
glenn
7 days ago
KT – I actually hope that the brutal nature of The State using unsafe and torturous drugs on human beings, even the worst that there are, helps erode the death penalty.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad–good point. If only….
glenn
7 days ago
For the most part, I agree, Ad. But when it’s a guy who has raped and killed a child, I could care less how much suffering he goes through.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Hey SLM, are you with us?
glenn
7 days ago
Howdy slm. You getting your snow boots ready?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – That’s not an uncommon POV but I’m more of the perspective that a civilized nation doesn’t kill it’s citizens. Out of all the other nations, I think it’s only the US, Iran and North Korea that have death penalties.
adlib 7 days ago
Hey all, yup ready for some winter weather KT. Hey Glenn, all well?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Hey SLM, same old same old here.
glenn
7 days ago
Again, for the most part I agree. But when it comes to those who rape and kill children, I’m not that civilized.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Good Friday, Planeteers! Is it true that Boehner has volunteered to supply the balls for the Super Bowl this year?
kesmarn
7 days ago
The rest of the world has lower crime and incarceration rates without having state executions. So if it isn’t protecting citizens (when life imprisonment is cheaper and just as effective on that matter), it’s just vengeance and a legal system that sanctions vengeance as a legit reason for punishment, is uncivilized.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad–doesn’t Saudi Arabia have the death penalty too?
glenn
7 days ago
KT – If we took mental health care seriously in this country, then I think everyone {even the most psycho/sociopathic person} should have a chance at rehabilitation
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Hey Kes–how can boehner supply the balls? He lost his a long time ago.
glenn
7 days ago
Hey Kes! Good Friday and the best of inflations to you!
adlib 7 days ago
Hey Kes – why not he isn’t using his…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
As I said, I’m not that civilized when it comes to the murder of children.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Hey Homie.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
True, glenn, I think they’re in Netanyahu’s back pocket.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Hey, Homie! Snow is headed our way on Sunday, I hear.
kesmarn
7 days ago
AIPAC strikes again.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Kes–ohhh SNAP! 
glenn
7 days ago
I dom
sillylittleme
7 days ago
glenn – Yes, that’s true, a number of other middle eastern countries do too but as far as major nations go, the US is in very limited company…in fact, The Axis of Evil.
adlib 7 days ago
Oh great. As if I don’t have enough trouble walking to the grocery store and such!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Just think how bad the snow would be if Climate Change was real!
adlib 7 days ago
KT–sounds like you need to buy some skis!
glenn
7 days ago
I don’t get what they think they will accomplish having Bibi spew his hateful crap in the well of Congress.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Death penalty? I wish we could move into the 20th century … now that it’s over with.
kesmarn
7 days ago
SLM–what they hope to accomplish is to show that they would rather follow a leader of another country than the POTUS. I hope it blows up in their faces come 2016!
glenn
7 days ago
glenn, I need to buy a car! I just don’t want the expenses involved. I may have to though, because I have developed some lower back and hip problems! Shyte, I’m only 60!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Glenn – it will, Bibi is bad for Jews the world over
sillylittleme
7 days ago
If only we had some decent mass transit in Ohio, Homie… Sigh…
kesmarn
7 days ago
Kes, after all we’ve seen in recent years, I have become convinced that there is a big segment of the population that is trying to yank the nation away from the 20th Century, let alone the 21st century.
adlib 7 days ago
2 Aussies are about to be hanged in Indonesia for drug smuggling. We don’t have the DP here, so they’re trying to stop it. but the druggies knew if they were caught, they’d risk the DP, so, for me, it’s tough sh*t. They’re as much murderers as anyone.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Columbus isn’t too bad, but they don’t run every half hour like they used to. That would be a lot better.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
I think if they could repeal the Emancipation Proclamation and women’s suffrage, they would AdLib.
kesmarn
7 days ago
KT–A car in the snow wouldn’t do me any good. I’ve never driven in snow and/or ice, so I’d be a mess in the car. In fact, I have a packed suitcase at my daughter’s house in case we get snowed in. We’re supposed to have two inches of snow (which is a lot for us) next Sunday.Not this one, but next week.
glenn
7 days ago
Y
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Hopefully, Bibi will be Bye-Bye after this election.
adlib 7 days ago
kes, It’s so utterly hypocritical to castigate fundamentalists elsewhere, but hey are just as fundamentalist in the US, and don’t see the hypocricy or dichotomy
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
glenn, two inches of snow in Georgia is a lot.
kesmarn
7 days ago
glen, it’s not that bad. You just have to drive slower and have good tires.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
SLM–I just don’t understand why these traitors to our country still get elected. And, I don’t mean Bibi, although boehner acts like bibi has been elected!
glenn
7 days ago
Ad – it is past time for him to go
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Glenn – spot on
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Boehner acts as if he’s POTUS, glann!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
BIAS! Back In A Sec!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
sorry, glenn
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
PPO, I’m with you on that. Those Duck Dynasty guys look and talk like extremist mullahs!
kesmarn
7 days ago
KT–my problem here is we have a lot of hills, so it’s hard to drive slowly going down them.
glenn
7 days ago
PPO – Don’t agree, just because someone smuggles drugs and is greedy, doesn’t mean they are murderers. Does the penalty fit the crime?
adlib 7 days ago
Meant to say I’m with you on fundamentalists in the US, that is PPO! We have far too many of them.
kesmarn
7 days ago
PPO–I disagree. The boner would love to act like our POTUS, but boner would have to get a lot more intelligence and class to act like the POTUS.
glenn
7 days ago
Yeah, hills can be tricky. Going up is even harder.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Ad, how many are killed by drugs, or the crimes committed to get drugs? Its more, I think that your average murder. I’m not for the DP at all, but I have no sympathy for criminals who deal or smuggle drugs though a country with the DP for such actions.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Big pharma and the alcohol industries are the biggest drug dealers in America.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Indeed!
kesmarn
7 days ago
Hello Planeteers! Poop to Boehner!
sabreen60
7 days ago
Ad–isn’t the definition of conservatism never having to change? So, why should they get into the 20th century, let alone this one?
glenn
7 days ago
Glenn – shift down when going downhill in snow and ice, shift up when going uphill (unless you get stuck and then…)
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Hey, Sabreen! Poop to him, for sure!
kesmarn
7 days ago
PPO, if drugs were legalized and well regulated, you wouldn’t have the problems we see now.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Hey Sabreen
sillylittleme
7 days ago
KT–you got that right about the hills.
glenn
7 days ago
PPO – Nope, they don’t see themselves for the hypocrites they are. It’s no different being an extremist Christian than an Extremist Muslim, Choicelady can tell stories about the murders Extremist Christians in the US have and are willing to commit because of the same beliefs they share with many Repub voters and politicians. If doing the wrong thing in the name of religion is wrong, it’s wrong for all religions but the problem is that extremists believe that they get an exception for “protecting” and advancing their own religion.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad – excellent explanation, so true
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Spot on, Ad! Blinkers are a problem in every religion.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Hey Sabreen!
glenn
7 days ago
PPO – But that would be advancing the concept of group guilt, people shouldn’t be executed when they haven’t killed but others they can be grouped with have. That’s not justice.
adlib 7 days ago
There is always a danger with people who are literalists. People who take every line of scripture as the literal truth. The wisest and best men in history were not literalists.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Sabreen, I and a few people I know have sent emails to Nancy Pelosi asking for her and the rest of the Dems to boycott Netanyahu’s speech to Congress.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Come to think of it…religion is a problem in every religion!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
kes – where can I sign? haven’t seen one from credo and haven’t been on dkos today
sillylittleme
7 days ago
“Religion does not corrupt men, men corrupt religion.” Farquar
killgoretrout
7 days ago
SLM, we went to Pelosi’s FB page and there’s a link there to communicate with Dem Leadership.
kesmarn
7 days ago
I’m not sure how true that is, but certainly to some extent, it is.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
kt – right you are
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Ad, I get what you’re saying, but they’re not being hanged for those reasons. they smuggled drugs in a country that has the DP for smuggling drugs.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
glenn – Exactly, the definition of conservative is an antonym for “change”. Or “evolve” for that matter.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad–the thing that gets me about these extremists here in the US is that we keep fighting the same battles over and over again. Substitute the word “jew” for “lgbt” or “transgender” or “black” or “muslim” and we’re fighting the same things we fought over 50 years ago! I just don’t understand how people our age cannot see that. I didn’t live through WWII, but I lived through Vietnam and I just don’t understand this thirst for war; this thirst for trying to make everyone believe the same way you do. If the way you believe is so great, then everyone would agree with you, wouldn’t they?
glenn
7 days ago
I see where Republicans removed names “civil rights and human rights” from committee name.
sabreen60
7 days ago
hi guys!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Hey Harleigh – long time no see
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Hey, Harliegh! How’s your Friday?
kesmarn
7 days ago
KT- I would love to see the Dems either walk out or not show. Of Menedez will be their with bells on. He gets a lot of $$$ from Israelis.
sabreen60
7 days ago
Hey Lady! Republicans hate the word humanist. There’s not even room for mumbo jumbo to cloud their real goals.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT–well conservatives are not good at understanding nuance. They are literalists to the core. If it doesn’t fit into a sound bite, or sarahpalin can’t make word salad out of it, then it can’t be understood.
glenn
7 days ago
Hola amigos! Como estas? I’ve been out gathering bread bags for shoes.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Hi Harleigh!
sabreen60
7 days ago
Hey Harleigh, how goes it?
glenn
7 days ago
FRENNIE!! Good to see you!
kesmarn
7 days ago
Hi, Alpha.. You’re gunna need those for sure!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Exactly glenn. They are though, very good at bullshit.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Came just for the sight of a frennie.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Do these breadbags make my ass look fat?
Harleigh
7 days ago
Yep PPOV. And a good helmet hairdo too.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Frennie, the 1% tend to wear only Pepperidge Farm, you know…
kesmarn
7 days ago
PPO – Would you agree though that such a law is unjust and shouldn’t be applied even so? There are laws that permit executions for protesting against those in power. I think you’d agree that someone executed for that, even though they knew the law was in place, didn’t deserve to be killed.
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh!
alphabitch
7 days ago
Hey! Who deflated my breadbags?!
adlib 7 days ago
Hey AB!
sabreen60
7 days ago
Let me catch up. Or ketchup, as it may be.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Hola estoy bien!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
So many familiar faces…my pretties!
alphabitch
7 days ago
AB–are you collecting wonder bread bags?
glenn
7 days ago
AdLib – Joni wore them during St. Ronnie’s reign.
sabreen60
7 days ago
Hey Harleigh!
adlib 7 days ago
Hey Alpha – I think the hair is made from the wire in the twist ties from the breadbags
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleig, only if there is gluten in them!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
AB! What’s up?!
adlib 7 days ago
Glenn, I wonder about that…. saw a Tweet w/ Bimbo bread bags…
alphabitch
7 days ago
I’ve been to Houston. Wow. So glad to be outta there.
alphabitch
7 days ago
LOL bimbo bread!
Harleigh
7 days ago
What’s the topic…..how can I contribute? Is Funk here? No? Then maybe I can be serious. First time w/ new interface.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Ad, many laws in many countries are unjust, like our allies Saudi Arabia, China and Japan, and I deplore those facts. I also deplore that the USA has the DP in some states.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
AB–I’m sure the bimbo bread bags were the ones little joni wore. They are the definitive accessories for hog castrating tools!
glenn
7 days ago
Don’t know if this image will come through… 
kesmarn
7 days ago
OMG! Kes, that’s perfect!
glenn
7 days ago
Kes! ding ding ding for the win (and tiara)
alphabitch
7 days ago
LOL! I love that one!
kesmarn
7 days ago
BRB. having what we call a ‘Smoko’ here.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Kes – 
sillylittleme
7 days ago
kesmarn
7 days ago
But she pairs nicely with Steve King (asshole teabagger- IA)
Harleigh
7 days ago
What’s the latest Kes in bread wear in OH?
alphabitch
7 days ago
Harleigh–but does she have calves the size of canteloupes?
glenn
7 days ago
Wasn’t there a line in Billie Holiday’s song God Bless the Child, that says…”a crust of footwear and such…..”
killgoretrout
7 days ago
“Loafers,” Frennie.
kesmarn
7 days ago
New from GOP Industries, Stepford Wife Breadbags! Footware for the woman who looks and speaks like a Disney Animatronic.
adlib 7 days ago
Steve King just looks scary.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Loafers like Boehner? Hick.
alphabitch
7 days ago
I think Steve King scares himself!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
I think we need a breadbag beauty contest for POV, Ad. All photos welcome of BB attire.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Hi everyone – who’s for bread bag footwear?
choicelady
7 days ago
Well, I guess since we’re getting ready for a presidential campaign, we have to talk about how poor we all were before we were elected to Congress. I use the “imperial we” here.
glenn
7 days ago
Hey – what’s the “beep beep” noise? Is there a roadrunner in this machine?
alphabitch
7 days ago
Here’s Ernst’s inspiration for her speech:
adlib 7 days ago
Joni wore those bags on the wrong end. They should have been over her head! I guess she couldn’t find any big enough!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
AdLib – you think Joni would have watched such unChristian subversive TV?
choicelady
7 days ago
Hubby is streaming so this is going to be crappy. I may BBL 
sabreen60
7 days ago
Hey Choice
sillylittleme
7 days ago
KT – she told the story to prove ANYONE can pull themselves up by their own twist ties!
choicelady
7 days ago
I got my bags on CL. It is ashame the good folks in IA didn’t put the bags snugly on their haids!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Hi SLM – nice to see you1
choicelady
7 days ago
AB – The beep lets you know a new comment has posted. You can turn it off if you’d like to by clicking the three stripe icon and clicking on the Sound item unril it says off/
adlib 7 days ago
LOL CL! Very good!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Choice – you too
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh – it would have solved many problems, yes.
choicelady
7 days ago
Hey CL!
adlib 7 days ago
KT–wrong end, indeed!
glenn
7 days ago
Hey AdLib!
choicelady
7 days ago
Ah yes, the old “twist tie mentality!”
killgoretrout
7 days ago
CL! Howdy! I stepped away for a minute and missed your arrival.
kesmarn
7 days ago
I knew what that beep was; there was a mystery beep that skairt me.
alphabitch
7 days ago
KT – the basic good American story. From bread bags to…something.
choicelady
7 days ago
Hey kes – lovely to see you!
choicelady
7 days ago
CL: from bread bags to tea bags. classic American story.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Alpabitch!!!! Fantastic to see you. It’s been way too long!
choicelady
7 days ago
I wasn’t really surprised that much by Joni’s rebuttal, but the level of shmaltziness was pretty amazing. She was trying to out-Palin, Palin.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Hey CL–was busy typing and missed your arrival. IOW, I was busy yapping!
glenn
7 days ago
AB – that’s it – bread bags to tea bags. Yup. It’s what we all want!
choicelady
7 days ago
Hi glenn – how are you tonight?
choicelady
7 days ago
twist ties and $480K in farm subsidies
Harleigh
7 days ago
AB – I like it, a GOP breadbag fashion show! “Now, wearing the latest in split butter top, is Sarah Palin!”
adlib 7 days ago
I know. Been busy and being in CTZ, I tend to crap out at 9. Party on tonight though.
alphabitch
7 days ago
someone posted a photo of a bread aisle and labeled it “Iowa Foot Locker”.
choicelady
7 days ago
Ad – Maybe I’ll do some Palin bumpits for my bags.
alphabitch
7 days ago
CL–speaking of tea bags, has anyone watched the new Larry Wilmore show where he awards tea bags to people who don’t keep it 100%?
glenn
7 days ago
Exactl Harleigh! But they weren’t government moochers or anything like that! Yeah, my ass!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
AB – Translate CTZ please?
choicelady
7 days ago
Glenn – no! sounds great.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Palin – Bachmann 2016 fer jebus! halalujer!
Harleigh
7 days ago
CL: Central Time Zone
alphabitch
7 days ago
CL–I’m here and doing well.
glenn
7 days ago
Frennie, I was at the local mosque on Tuesday night. It was great to hang out with our peeps.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Harleigh – I know Palin’s announcement just MADE my day. Not.
choicelady
7 days ago
glenn – so glad you’re well.
choicelady
7 days ago
AB – OK. Got it!
choicelady
7 days ago
CL, from bread bags to straight jackets?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – that’s where she’s leading the rest of us, yes.
choicelady
7 days ago
glenn – I like Wilmore and like the format of addressing one issue per show. I like the Keeping it 100 segment but I think after a while, it may lose its freshness. Like the show!
adlib 7 days ago
Kes: Still in SMS. You have to tune into to Dean Obeidallah’s new show on Saturdays, Sirius 121. All Muslims for hours (well, for 2 hours anyway). Rula Jebreal on tomorrow. And they have a 30 day free trial.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Wish I had Sirius, Frennie…
kesmarn
7 days ago
Kes – My Christmas dinner had 5 Afghans and 3 “Americans”. SO cool. New ones coming – interpreters.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Kes – That’s very cool, hanging out at the mosque!
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, there are preservatives though! Like the writing staff!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
kes – I got Sirius with a new car and LOVE it!
choicelady
7 days ago
Get it for free on your phone, Frennie.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Glenn – I watched Wilmore
sillylittleme
7 days ago
30 days free. Sign up tonight and we’ll SMS Dean tomorrow.
alphabitch
7 days ago
AB – did not know I could get it on my phone. Wow.
choicelady
7 days ago
he was great
sillylittleme
7 days ago
I feel so dumb… here comes the dumb question…can you get Sirius for an iPod?
kesmarn
7 days ago
Ad–I’m still not sure about the Wilmore show. The format is different than I expected, but I’m willing to wait to see how it develops.
glenn
7 days ago
CL – do you know Dean? He is amazing. Lawyer turned comedian and really bright.
alphabitch
7 days ago
We will miss Colbert!
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – yes, it will be a loss not to have his faux conservative sending up the real ones!
choicelady
7 days ago
My brother just leased a new Toyota Venza for my mom’s house to use when any of us come to care for her. The electronics in that thing are amazing.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Kes – asking the techno weenie. A: “I’m sure you can”. He has no clue, being an Android guy
alphabitch
7 days ago
Ad–for sure about Colbert. He is truly an original!
glenn
7 days ago
glenn – I think Wilmore’s show will evolve. He’s not the most charismatic guy but it takes time for comedians to find their feet and format. Colbert was very shaky when his show began.
adlib 7 days ago
AB- are you sure we’re not married to the same guy?
choicelady
7 days ago
Hey…if techno-weenie says he’s sure, that’s good enough for me. I’ll give it a try.
kesmarn
7 days ago
BRB
glenn
7 days ago
CL: What is your guy wearing? Does he love plaid a little too much?
alphabitch
7 days ago
CL and AB — you really are Muslims if you’re married to the same guy…
kesmarn
7 days ago
We often have competing plaid day at the AB household.
alphabitch
7 days ago
AB – well, yes, as a matter of fact… And have we ever seen them in the same room? NO!
choicelady
7 days ago
I look forward to watching Colbert in his new gig. People wonder if he’ll be funny without his “character,” but I have doubt. He’s a smart, funny guy.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
kes – would not be the worst thing in the world. I guess…
choicelady
7 days ago
Kes – I’m forming new religion – new my name ism – where women can have up to 4 husbands at same time. We get to tell them what to wear, what they can/can’t do. I’m picking John Fugelsang as my #2 and Joey Ryan and Kenneth Pattingale as #3 and #4 respectively.
alphabitch
7 days ago
I was recently the receiver of a very nice gift. A Samsung Galaxy Tab4! That thing is pretty amazing.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
AB – you’re definitely ON to something here!
choicelady
7 days ago
AB, you’re scaring me!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – that sounds impressive even though I have NO idea what it is.
choicelady
7 days ago
cool KT!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Wow AB you’ve put a lot of thought into it
sillylittleme
7 days ago
and CL: The Blov is good with it; he’s still #1. Try and stagger the ages so you have a 40 something and a couple of 30s.
alphabitch
7 days ago
I like that religion, AB! And tax-exempt status, I assume?
kesmarn
7 days ago
KT interested in the Samsung – is it easy to use and what plan do you have?
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Polyandry – the salvation of all husbands. With four of them to nag, they each get only 25% of our irritation.
choicelady
7 days ago
Choice – LOL
sillylittleme
7 days ago
SLM: Yep. My Muslim chirren (the girls) have all joined in with suggestions.
alphabitch
7 days ago
AB.. how do you get free sirius?
Harleigh
7 days ago
AB – don’t spread that around. The fundies will come for your girls.
choicelady
7 days ago
CL: I can nag all 4 very well. YEARS of practice with the Blov…..
alphabitch
7 days ago
AB – Likewise. But with four, they individually get less of our expertise, right?
choicelady
7 days ago
CL: We are prepping papers for the final two. To get them, they will have to go thru the very stabby mommy.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Harleigh, I heard that they’re doing a 30 day free promotion.
kesmarn
7 days ago
CL, it’s a tablet, and phone. It’s a computer basically, that is smaller than a laptop and bigger than a smartphone. The things it can do are amazing. Like a computer you can put in your pocket, or purse. Not that I carry a purse or anything! LOL!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
AB – ISIS has met its match in YOU!
choicelady
7 days ago
It is not nagging, it is getting them to do what they’d do in the first place if they looked around once in a while…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
“Expertise”. Ha ha. You know the motto: Keep ’em dumb and in the kitchen. (Except ALL my choices are actually brilliant)
alphabitch
7 days ago
KT – I’d NEVER think you had a purse. But I take your point.
choicelady
7 days ago
If I HAVE to get multiple women like in the 70’s and 80s again I want them to be middle aged… 18 – 19.
Harleigh
7 days ago
SLM – LOVE that – doing what you’d do if you’d JUST LOOK!
choicelady
7 days ago
SLM: Men are biologically incapable of seeing dust bunnies less than the size of a fully grown gazelle.
alphabitch
7 days ago
PPO, it is very user friendly. I have the T-Moblie 4Glite. It is also usable with just wifi alone.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
I think I’ll take Pope Francis as one of my spouses…
kesmarn
7 days ago
Harleigh – I am so glad to meet a man who values “older” teenie boppers.
choicelady
7 days ago
Harleigh! What a positively Nugent thing for you to say.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Okay, so how about Boehner displaying anti-Americanism and showing deference to another country’s leader then being slapped down for doing so. Oh wait, that’s what they did with Putin too. So pleased to have seen Kerry pull the rug out from under him.
adlib 7 days ago
Thanks, KT. Looking at it now.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
AB – you know one who can ID a dust bunny that big? Mine just puts a leash on it and takes it for walks.
choicelady
7 days ago
LOL CL.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Ad – don’t even get me started on Crybibi Nuttyahoo.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Alpha – the pooper is into 14 year olds
sillylittleme
7 days ago
What did Kerry say, AdLib? I missed that one.
kesmarn
7 days ago
AdLib – I’m wondering if there’s a Logan Act violation here. No one will prosecute, but what they’re doing manipulating foreign policy is within the scope of that unused law.
choicelady
7 days ago
Yes CL! I thought the same thing.
alphabitch
7 days ago
SLM – The pooper likes ’em even younger. Gag.
choicelady
7 days ago
Choice – right 12?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Y’all read that Mossad and Crybibi at odds now? Yikes.
alphabitch
7 days ago
I saw that, Frennie!
kesmarn
7 days ago
SLM – might be pushing the upper limit for the pooper.
choicelady
7 days ago
CL LOL AB too 
Harleigh
7 days ago
Frennie – made me do the happy dance.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Alpha – thankfully they have the chance to reign him in
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Older women can be wonderful! Some women become more beautiful with age. Like fine wine. Or really interesting human beings!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
CL – That’s an excellent point, I hadn’t though of it. I would guess though thaty Boehner and the Repubs would weasel out of it by claiming that they were simply fact finding and asking BoBo to speak for that reason.
adlib 7 days ago
All – my sister in law went to high school with the Netanyahu brothers. Ugh.
choicelady
7 days ago
AdLib – I’m sure any elected official could weasel on the Act.
choicelady
7 days ago
No kidding, CL? Were they jerks back then?
kesmarn
7 days ago
CL: Yikes. That’s gonna take some serious smudging.
alphabitch
7 days ago
kes – I don’t know. She is not my fave person, so I don’t ask much.
choicelady
7 days ago
BIAS
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Oh, CL. I have a sister like that.
alphabitch
7 days ago
AB – everyone has a relative ‘like that’.
choicelady
7 days ago
MIne watches NASCAR and complains about “illegals”. Had fun breaking the Huckabee dog slaughter to her.
alphabitch
7 days ago
My SIL was pals with Tom Noe, a GOP con-artist who was responsible for Ohio investing its retirement funds in a coin collection! 
He’s in prison now.
He’s in prison now.kesmarn
7 days ago
Late but here!
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
AB – ohhhhh good for YOU for truth telling!
choicelady
7 days ago
Why doesn’t NotNotAYahoo look worse to Israeli voters after all of this? Injecting himself into US politics as he has sonce Obama was elected and harming relations, he’s damaging to Israel. The polls are showing it to a degree, he’s behind in the polls but not enough for my liking.
adlib 7 days ago
Hey Murph
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Hey Murph!
glenn
7 days ago
Hi Murph!
adlib 7 days ago
I think I’ve figured out why the US is an ally of Israel ( great civil rights there as well!). the founders of Modern Israel did the same as the first settlers in America and Australia. they arrived in boats, subjugated the local tribes and built their ‘manifest destiny on other peoples’ land. Gottit!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
kes! Yikes! I never heard that, and doesn’t she have better taste?
choicelady
7 days ago
hey murph!
Harleigh
7 days ago
AB, Sabreen and CL–loved the conversation about the new religion and husbands!
glenn
7 days ago
‘Fraid not, CL. I don’t talk to her much either!
kesmarn
7 days ago
Hey PPO! Good to see you! You may be onto something, but never underestimate the power of real sorrow over the Holocaust to start. Now? The hypocrisy is killing the relationship.
choicelady
7 days ago
PPO–That’s a great take on why Israel and the US are allies. As an aside, Israel and I are the same age. Even born in the same month!
glenn
7 days ago
May 16, 1948, Glenn?
alphabitch
7 days ago
glenn – One Palestinian comedian said his Dad was Palestinian, his mother Sicilian. When a friend of his asked if his Dad had other wives, he said, “What part of SICILIAN MOTHER do you NOT understand? ‘Sure, honey. Take another wife. She can help me bury the body!”
choicelady
7 days ago
Choice – this dispute dates back to the banishment of Ishmael and his mother (whose name escapes me).
sillylittleme
7 days ago
I think I like your moral compass a little better, glenn.
kesmarn
7 days ago
It is way past time for AIPAC to be registered as a foreign lobby and to curtail all monetary and military aid to that theocratic country/race/religion called Israel. That money could be much better spent on our own people and infrastructure. Israel is a bigoted, offensive, apartheid country and should no longer receive anything from the US except our contempt and condemnation. At least they are only targeting, killing and stealing from heathen Muslims, right?
Harleigh
7 days ago
CL, I hear that some men, in Europe carry what is called a “man purse.” I think they’re just fanny packs with shoulder straps! Not my cup of tea.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
SLM – too true. Roots of ancient history still loom.
choicelady
7 days ago
KT – those man purses are pretty silly looking, yes.
choicelady
7 days ago
Greetings to all…have I ever caught shit since the SOTU around….my “GOP friends” expected that “boy” to accept his now clearly established place on their plantation. Instead DJANGO SHOWED UP.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
OH! And for anyone who wants to go deep into the story, try looking at 50 Years War on You Tube. 6 hour documentary on founding and following 50 years of HX with Israel Palestine. BEST EVER
alphabitch
7 days ago
AB–Oops, I thought Israel was begun in July, 1948. Got the year right; but not the month. Oh well, age, I guess! 
glenn
7 days ago
Murph – Hoorya for Django!
choicelady
7 days ago
glenn – the year is what matters!
choicelady
7 days ago
CL: That Palestinian is Dean Obeidallah, with the new Sirius radio show on Saturdays Channel 121.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Hey, Murph! The Prez was in fine form.
kesmarn
7 days ago
AB – I will catch a listen indeed.
choicelady
7 days ago
april 1948 here
Harleigh
7 days ago
Maybe Harleigh – but they do build helicopters and share military technology for the money…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Hey, I grew up with John Wayne movies, and Robert Mitchum, and Glenn Ford, and Lee Marvin…..etc. Very macho!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
CL–That’s a funny joke!
glenn
7 days ago
PPO – And the founding of Israel came on the heels of the Holocaust. Back then, it was understandable why the US would support Israel but that character of Israel has changed to where they are now oppressors. Many Israelis are appalled by this 180 degree flip but the RW in the US both retain the past image of the nation as the current image and many are Christian Extremists who truly believe that Israel has to be protected for the Apocolypse to come and Jesus to return…and at that time, they’re cool with the Jews all being killed and sent to Hell. Now that’s a GOP platform to run on!
adlib 7 days ago
Try tomorrow CL. Rula Jebreal on.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Hep me. how can I go up to read comments without it schizing out and jumping WAY up? Do I have too heavy a trigger finger?
alphabitch
7 days ago
AdLib – you’ve nailed the horror of Israeli and Dominionist alliances. It chills me that Jews could be that stupid.
choicelady
7 days ago
Ad – not just protected, but “cleansed” (shudder) of any non-Jews
sillylittleme
7 days ago
In the late forties, a friend of my dad in Dublin came up to him on the street and in his flat dublin accent said’ Noel, you’ll never guess what’s just happened. they’ve made me President Of Israel”! dad’s pal, Heimie Hertzog!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
glenn – it was from a group “The Axis of Evil” made up of four Muslims in search of a North Korean.
choicelady
7 days ago
I know this is sexist, but Rula is smokin hot!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Choice – not all of us are
sillylittleme
7 days ago
PPO -THAT is freaking amazing!
choicelady
7 days ago
KT: She is hot.
alphabitch
7 days ago
KT – it isn’t sexist to be attracted to an attractive woman
sillylittleme
7 days ago
I joined JVP and supported them last year. We are starting a chapter here, and I want very much to be involved. I love what they are doing.
alphabitch
7 days ago
SLM – you’re making exactly the point about why Israel’s alliances are never going to work. YOU and wonderful, thoughtful people such as you. This is a growing and powerful movement that cannot be stopped.
choicelady
7 days ago
CL–love the “motto” of that group!
glenn
7 days ago
Thank you ladies. Some might think I was diminishing her intelligence. You know, the old “sex object” thing. No, she is also very intelligent.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
glenn – they were incredibly funny. I think they disbanded, but it was a glorious show.
choicelady
7 days ago
KT – we know that about you. Not to worry.
choicelady
7 days ago
Ah, thank you my dear friend!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Hey CL: Not only might we have the same husbands, but we might be the same person. I see our images look like twinsies.
alphabitch
7 days ago
AB- JVP is here, too, but they are not very large and not well heard.
choicelady
7 days ago
KT–Don’t you think intelligence paired with beauty is incredibly sexy?
glenn
7 days ago
AB – I would be SO HONORED to look like you! You rock- and I’ve never even SEEN you.
choicelady
7 days ago
Yeah KT, specially when I’m stonedd!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Choice – what the evangelists and dominionists are trying to perpetrate is completely against everything I was taught. In fact, the reason Jews didn’t convert (unless forced) was because we embraced (for the most part) his teachings. Those principles about love, a socialized society, etc. are Jewish principles.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Stepped away again… Now I have to ask who is this mysterious lady that KT is admiring?
kesmarn
7 days ago
Oh glenn, it’s the best combination possible!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
AB – all chess pawns are sisters and brothers under the shellac.
choicelady
7 days ago
Same here, kes!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
CL: Same here, but I can make sure they are heard. My voice is LOUD. I just support their efforts to bring truth to the forefront.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Ah Harleigh, true beauty and smarts requires no alteration.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
SLM – I know this, love it, and weep when both extremes deny those essential values. Greed and power – the scourge of humanity.
choicelady
7 days ago
KT–Also, I think that intelligence brings out the beauty, rather than the other way around.
glenn
7 days ago
glenn – I’m with you on that!
choicelady
7 days ago
Harleigh, just like there were many of us opposed to Bush’s war on Iraq, there are many Israelis who oppose what their extremist leadership has been doing. You can imagine how many Muslims see all Americans as bigots and war mongering haters of Muslims. I wouldn’t indict all Israelis for their out of control government just as I would never want to be blamed for what Bush did while his corrupt and extremist admin controlled this country.
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – BRAVO – beautifully said!
choicelady
7 days ago
KT, I know, I just do! LOL HEY SLM, wanna toke?
Harleigh
7 days ago
I think KT was admiring her breadbags.
adlib 7 days ago
Who are we talking about? LOL! This’ll teach me to walk away from the discussion for a minute…!
kesmarn
7 days ago
I will also say that I don’t need a super model, as long as she has a great sense of humor and a big helping of “cuteness.” Some ladies are incredibly cute AND smart, and they are very alluring.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Thanks CL!
adlib 7 days ago
Hey Harleigh – absolutely, L’Chaim one two three, toke
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Ad–well said. I think that the US should adopt the motto of Key West and the Keys–“We are one HUMAN family.”
glenn
7 days ago
I would think all foreigners would think we are uneducated fuckin nuts.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh, I would love a toke, or two!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
So…looks like the theme song for the 2016 Repub Primary is going to be, “Once, Twice, Three Times a Romney.” What do you think will happen?
adlib 7 days ago
*passing the Harleigh pipe with some of south floridas finest*
Harleigh
7 days ago
KT–I agree. As our conservatives have shown us, you have to be intelligent to have a sense of humor!
glenn
7 days ago
Ad: I told my Muslim children: You are NEVER to say you hate Jews. You are NEVER to say you hate Israelis. If you want to say you oppose Zionism, and the concept of one state for one religion only, then I will say it with you. But not the religion itself, and not the people of a state who have just as much control over what their leaders do as I have. And my Jewish friends and my Palestinian friends and my Muslim kids have all dined together. We can discuss things, and the talk can get heated, but then it is time to leave, and there are hugs and kisses all around.
alphabitch
7 days ago
You betch Ad! Actually, I was admiring her face. Very, very pretty!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Harleigh, they’re half right. check out the Red States and Congress!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
glenn – this is the problem with Dominionists. They are in love w Old Testament tribalism because ‘loving your neighbor’ is too much work. So that motto will have to wait a bit.
choicelady
7 days ago
Harleigh – they do, actually pretty mellow having partaken some fine blueberry kush
sillylittleme
7 days ago
AB – that is how it should be indeed! Well done, dear heart. Well and beautifully done!
choicelady
7 days ago
Frennie, well said! You are an ambassador(ess) of peace.
kesmarn
7 days ago
AB…now those words would be worth passing around….from our kids to the world.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Hey Homie. We were talking about Rula Jabreal! Bill Maher’s nemisis.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Alpha – that’s good, discourse is important. as are hugs and kisses
sillylittleme
7 days ago
I tell them that you would not want people hating Muslims, or hating Afghans, but it is fine to hate ISIL or the Taliban or Al-Qaeda.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Harleigh – Yep, foreigners see the US as a country full of racists who would destroy their own country rather than let a black man lead it. That sounds really crazy!
adlib 7 days ago
Ah…thank you, Homie!
kesmarn
7 days ago
Ad–three times a romney, indeed. And, this time, he’s running on the poverty issue!
glenn
7 days ago
glenn – it’s really hard to take Mitt seriously on poverty with two car elevators in his life.
choicelady
7 days ago
Choice- are you paying attention to THE RESPONSE in LA this weekend…they have a real live prophetes who is going to be there. Cindy Jacobs…videos of her are so lame…
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Frennie, what are your chirren’s thoughts on ISIS?
kesmarn
7 days ago
CL: Ann Romeny would say “Stop it. This is hard”
alphabitch
7 days ago
glenn ‘they call him Flipper, Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning….”
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
AB–wonderful things to teach your kids! Don’t hate, have conversations, and hugs and kisses! Can I say I love you?
glenn
7 days ago
Murph – I am paying NO ATTENTION AT ALL. I like my weekends.
choicelady
7 days ago
PPO – That’s perfect for Mitt!
choicelady
7 days ago
Kes – they HATE them. I always say – all these guys wanting to live like that should talk to kids who actually had to LIVE under that type of law. It’s why they have asked for asylum here.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Understanding and appreciation are the two utmost important ingdients in any relationship.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Glenn – I second that emotion
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Glenn – I love you, too. I love a lot of people. Maybe not Ted Cruz, or Louie Gohmert, but lots of people.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Damn you Johnny Walker!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – What’d Johnny do to you?
choicelady
7 days ago
Good to hear that, Frennie. One of the speakers on Tuesday was from Peshawar and he knew families who had lost children in the school massacre there. So sad.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Choice….the Lord Jesus may have enshrined words meant for you on those holy days….will you risk missing them?
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Hey, KT, don’t diss my homie!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Murph – damn straight.
choicelady
7 days ago
CL–it’s hard to take romney seriously on anything, but yeah, the car elevators and the “poor” man having to use his trust fund to get through college kinda disqualifies him on speaking to poverty. Although JFK, son of a wealthy man, managed to pull it off, romney will NEVER be taken seriously on the issue.
glenn
7 days ago
Yikes, Frennie. So sad.
alphabitch
7 days ago
So what is the deal with Jebbie and Mittens meeting in Utah? Is Jebbie an LDS now?
alphabitch
7 days ago
Romoney now is for the poor. WTF? I bet his wife Money Boo Boo went off the rails on that whopper.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Hey made my type like a monkey! OOOPs, I am a monkey!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
LOL PPO!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Too funny, Harleigh! Money Boo Boo. With just as much class.
alphabitch
7 days ago
glenn – there are the rich (Buffet, Steyers, to some extent Gates) who understand their privilege and pay back. There are far more who have no interest but practice Social Darwinism as far as they can.
choicelady
7 days ago
AB – That is extremely cool…and exactly what I’d expect of you. Governments are not reflections of many citizens in any nation. Some grab office through corrupt actions during elections (Bush). A majority of US citizens voted for Gore yet Bush with the help of a corrupt SCOTUS took office and everything he did was against the choice of the majority. Yet, to the outside world, Bush looked like he was doing what the people chose. Most citizens just want peace and a good life, Jews, Muslims, you name it.
adlib 7 days ago
And the BS about how much Mittens gives his $$ to his church to garner favor among men. Not cool.
alphabitch
7 days ago
AB – did you notice in 2012 that every ‘testimonial’ on Mitt’s generosity was provided by a Mormon and ONLY Mormons?
choicelady
7 days ago
Thanks, Ad. Yep. I don’t want no Cheney on me, thankyouverymuch.
alphabitch
7 days ago
To garner favor and to lower his rate of taxation.
kesmarn
7 days ago
Churches often do altruistic things. But, they always exact a price in proselytizing.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
CL; Uh huh. That’s what I said. and yep, Kes. To lower that taxation so Ann doesn’t have to heat off an ironing board.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Did I read correctly that Flipper has hired Rove as a campaign manager?
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
glenn – You know the Rovian approach, to take your weaknesses and try and present them as strengths. In other words, lie and pretend you now are trying to bury the poor to keep them warm in winter.
adlib 7 days ago
No designer bread wrappers for Ann…
kesmarn
7 days ago
Eat off an ironing board.
alphabitch
7 days ago
KT – actually not all churches proselytize anymore. Those from the ‘wisdom tradition’ don’t. It’s why they work so well with atheists, agnostics, and other faiths. It’s a growing part of the Christian voice.
choicelady
7 days ago
Ad–love it! Bury the poor to keep them warm in winter!
glenn
7 days ago
Pink – love Flipper, he’ll always be Schitt Fuckmee to me
sillylittleme
7 days ago
SLM – LOL!
choicelady
7 days ago
Ad, Karl Rove and Joseph Geobbels would have been great friends and admirers of each other’s accomplishments!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
LOL SLM
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
KT – I do think Rove studied Geobbels.
choicelady
7 days ago
SLM–Like your nickname better! And it fits so well on a bumper sticker! Sorry, PPO!
glenn
7 days ago
KT, add Cheney/Himmler to it and he’s unbeatable
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
KT – I think Rove is Goebbels reincarnation
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Well, kids. Time to sign off here. Have a wonderful weekend all!
kesmarn
7 days ago
Did you see the poll that both Bush and Romney are double digits behind Hillary! And how funny, Bush set up this meet with Romney weeks ago to make it look like he was being handed the torch of Repub nom from Romney and instead, Romney screwed him and announced he may run, turning the meeting into a total humiliation of Jebby! So funny!
adlib 7 days ago
CL, do you mean Unitarians? God forbid! (just joking)!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Nite Kes – you too
sillylittleme
7 days ago
‘night, Kes
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
nite kees
Harleigh
7 days ago
‘Night Kes! You have a good weekend as well.
glenn
7 days ago
Kes: Wait for me! Those of us in Central can’t stay up quite as late as those west coast folks.
alphabitch
7 days ago
Night Kes, have a great weekend!
adlib 7 days ago
Sweet dreams my Homie!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – UU and UCC and Episcopalian, Disciples, Methodists, etc. etc. Not all, but that IS the tradition – searching for truth not expounding on it.
choicelady
7 days ago
Love all of you and it was SO nice to “see” you again! Hope I can find the time to come back next week.
alphabitch
7 days ago
See ya, AB
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Night kes – lovely to see you!
choicelady
7 days ago
Excellent comparison Harleigh!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Bye Alpha – keep up the good parenting
sillylittleme
7 days ago
AB – good night. Keep the chirrun heading in the right way – you’re working wonders!
choicelady
7 days ago
‘Night to you, too AB. I’m right behind you all!
glenn
7 days ago
glenn – good night and sweet dreams. Hope to see you next week!
choicelady
7 days ago
Nite Glenn – until next week
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Night AB, don’t be a stranger!
adlib 7 days ago
True CL, but the coffers must be filled. All religions are selling an invisible product!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
G’night everyone! Hope everyone in those cold climes has a good supply of bread bags!
glenn
7 days ago
Good night Texas Lady!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – you need to get out more, dear. Just not accurate at all.
choicelady
7 days ago
glenn – in cold climes you have to double bag.
choicelady
7 days ago
Sheer Luxureh!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Night glenn! Bundle up with Wonder Bread!
adlib 7 days ago
CL–that’s why you need a good supply!
glenn
7 days ago
Late comers welcome?
beatlex
7 days ago
glenn – we who are grain intolerant are hard up for ‘shoes’.
choicelady
7 days ago
Hey, Beat1 Welcome
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
Hi Beatlex!
choicelady
7 days ago
Hey B
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Maybe that is good advice. But they do promote a belief in an anthropomorphic deity, do they not? Otherwise, what would they call themselves?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Hey Beatlex, welcome!
adlib 7 days ago
I have been so busy! what are the topics?
beatlex
7 days ago
CL, I think we’ve had this conversation before. I will add, that those conversations were wonderful!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
So what do you think Romney will propose to help the poor? Helping them be self-sufficient by taking away healthcare, SNAP and housing?
adlib 7 days ago
KT – no. They do not. Try universal consciousness and examination of quantum mechanics as a way of understanding our connectedness. Even in the old language, it’s a new meaning. Not what you think.
choicelady
7 days ago
Hey B! How goes the move?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – let’s NOT do it again tonight!
choicelady
7 days ago
let’s see, beat…. Israel, Deflating balls, religion, deflating balls, politics, deflating balls. The usual!
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
I learned as a young 13 year old confirmed Episcopal in Tulsa, OK and Oral Roberts and his 2 kids that all religion is bullshit. never been back
Harleigh
7 days ago
AdLib – Mitt will build on the ‘twist tie’ notion of self help, yes. I bet he’s furious he can’t use that lie. So he trotted out how he and Ms.Mitt had to ‘eat off an ironing board’ when they were first married. He simply does not get it.
choicelady
7 days ago
Killgore,slow but steady,it is such a big change in my life
beatlex
7 days ago
I learned that it was all about family, community, education. In that order.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Maybe Romney will help give the poor a future by requiring them to be mulched into Soylent Green when they reach retirement age, simultaneously saving Social Security so it can be privatized?
adlib 7 days ago
Beatlex – where did you move TO?
choicelady
7 days ago
SLM – yes. That’s pretty much it.
choicelady
7 days ago
CL, so why are they considered churches? I know, I’m a loose fitting Taoist, and technically, Taoism is considered an Eastern religion. I think, as we’ve determined before, we are basically on the same page. I was talking about Christian organizations. You know, like the Salvation Army and the Catholic charities. Was I wrong?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Maybe Myth coul go on Palins new special with Nugent!? On a set that smells like dead salmon and shit! perfect!
Harleigh
7 days ago
CL ,to my brothers,I am having some health problems,ergo,financial problems,it has been tough
beatlex
7 days ago
KT – I’m not up for this. They are just meeting places with beauty and tradition and open discussion about finding – not having – truth and justice. the denominations with which I work are Christian. They are night and day from Catholics and fundies.
choicelady
7 days ago
Harleigh, and take the nut cutter with them
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
B. Bob Dylan (and others) have suggested that a state of becoming is the best state to be in. I must agree. Hold on fast, my friend! Follow your bliss.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Oh Bealtex – I’m so sorry. I hope this is going to be helpful to you!
choicelady
7 days ago
CL – I never got how that lie could be sustained, Romney’s dad was a millionaire and gave him plenty of money along the way. So the son of a millionaire ate off an ironing board? No way.
adlib 7 days ago
OK CL. I will relent.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
But never “repent!”
killgoretrout
7 days ago
I have to wind up and go shopping, so cheerio everyone and look forward to next week.
pinkpantheroz
7 days ago
AdLib – Even if they did, so what? Young people don’t have a bundle sometimes – maybe George put Mitt and Ann on reduced income to teach them something. But he never EVER really worked a day in his life. And there is a difference between no dining table for a time and an empty stomach for days.
choicelady
7 days ago
Good night/afternoon PPO – see you soon!
choicelady
7 days ago
CL,I must be honest with the people I consider friends on the net,I have been diagnosed with COPD…
beatlex
7 days ago
Hey PPO, I must say, once again, that I really enjoyed seeing your Da in the Quiet Man. That movie was, in a way, the essence of my dad’s existence.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
later PPO
Harleigh
7 days ago
Beatlex – wow that has to be misery making. I hope you can find decent treatment that works for you!
choicelady
7 days ago
Beatlex, sorry to hear that.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad – I don’t think that either set of parents were pleased when they married, his education was paid for, not so sure about his living expenses.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
CL,It has been hard,life changing actually
beatlex
7 days ago
Nite Pink
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Beatlex…what then is to be done…what is the next step.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
B, I wouldn’t wish that malady on anybody! Breathing is life!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Sorry to hear that B, keep a positive outlook
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Night PPO!
adlib 7 days ago
SLM – he doesnt’ remotely understand “poverty”. He’s like the Long Island Lolita who justified shooting her boyfriend’s wife becaue she’d been abused by her father because, she SAID, he would not buy her a Ferrari. I am NOT making that up.
choicelady
7 days ago
Bye PPO!
choicelady
7 days ago
I quit smoking? Believe it or not Murph,I have only been able to cut down!
beatlex
7 days ago
Choice – didn’t they get married?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Murph, there are several drugs (inhalers and pills) that really help alleviate the really bad symptoms. My brother-in-law suffers from the same malady!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Beatlex – tried an e-cigarette? I believe they make a HUGE difference in your lung capacity.
choicelady
7 days ago
slm – I just don’t buy it, it sounds way too manufactured to make Mitt sound like a down to Earth guy when he has always been an elitist.
adlib 7 days ago
Beatle..medical tretment?
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
smoking is the hardest thing to quit.
Harleigh
7 days ago
SLM – oh God I hope not.
choicelady
7 days ago
Choice – I hear the e-cigs are poison to your lungs
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Thanks KT
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
CL,I have not tried it yet
beatlex
7 days ago
Ad – I also heard they placed a door on the ironing board when they had guests. This story has been around for decades…
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Damn right Harleigh! I’ve known heroin addicts that quit heroin, but they just couldn’t shake the nicotine!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
SLM – The World Health Organization thinks they are MUCH better – nicotine is not great, but you don’t get any of the tars and toxins and can improve lung capacity. I am Quite sure it depends on the maker.
choicelady
7 days ago
KT – I know people in AA and NA who can quit anyting BUT smoking, yes.
choicelady
7 days ago
Murph,I am on medications,that do help.But it is the smoking I have to beat
beatlex
7 days ago
B – just a suggestion, as I know it is time to wind down my tobacco addiction, but have you ever tried to quit?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
I finally quit after 50 years and many tries at quitting. Now it’s just da ganja mon.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Beatle…having never been a smoker….I do not know the power of it, but I have heard.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Harleigh – how did you do it?
sillylittleme
7 days ago
slm – I understand that but I think he invented that story when he was first running for office.
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh – that’s a major improvement. I don’t like it, but I think if it keeps you from smoking, you’re worlds better off.
choicelady
7 days ago
AdLib – you mean – oh, no – Mitt LIES????
choicelady
7 days ago
It’s a bitch Murph,45 years.I have been sick a lot lately since I was diagnosed
beatlex
7 days ago
AdLib – I think we can decide it’s a lie on the ground that – can you imagine Ann IRONING???
choicelady
7 days ago
Excatly cl. I’ve been to the meeting of both groups, many, many times. I’ve also bunked with many Vietnam vets who got hooked because of serious wounds and the strong painkillers they became dependent on. Even those guys could not stop smoking. Personally, I would never ask them to do so. They’ve lived through more than anyone but them could imagine. I’m sure their views on life and death differ from those who want to live until they are 100 or longer.. I am on the vet’s side in this!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Beatle…so sorry
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Choice – no I can’t
sillylittleme
7 days ago
CL – 
I didn’t look at it that way! Of course, Ann ironing? No way!
I didn’t look at it that way! Of course, Ann ironing? No way!adlib 7 days ago
KT – I totally agree. I have had homeless vets living on my front porch, and they ALL smoke.
choicelady
7 days ago
AdLib – See? PROOF that’s a phony story!
choicelady
7 days ago
SLM I got real sick with a respiratory infection. Took 4 weeks of medications and treatments (thanks Medicare). I just never bought any more of them. I quit drinking in 1990. That was easy for me.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh – well I don’t want to get sick to incentivize myself
sillylittleme
7 days ago
OH, CL, I have spent many days (and months) in VA hospitals. Generally speaking, the first thing a new aquaintance asks you in a VA facility is, “you got a smoke?”
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Murph,It has been life changing,to say the least.It is my first health crisis of my life.It has been hard mentally.My working life is over.It is disability for me
beatlex
7 days ago
KT – when I took our homeless vets to the VA, they all first sat outside to smoke, yes! Never mind why they were there!
choicelady
7 days ago
KT – That’s sad but makes so much sense. In some ways, we can all be a bit self-destructive healthwise, to make ourselves feel better in the short term, whether it’s cigs or food or drinks, etc.
adlib 7 days ago
Beatlex – I’m not sure that is inevitable. There are major treatments that help. The issue is the smoking cessation. Try EVERYTHING and give it a chance from e-cigs to Chantix to hypnosis. That will help so much!
choicelady
7 days ago
Many men and women who would never think of smoking, enede up doing so, because smoking relives tension, momentarily. And so often the case, their tension was greater than any outlook of the future. If you believe you may die at any moment, why not have a smoke?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Beatle…..it happens so suddenly…my thoughts are with you.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
KT – everyone I know who smokes sees cigarettes as the one reliable friend. What does that say about our lives?
choicelady
7 days ago
SLM just put a breadbag over your head until you run totally out of air. Then imagine that for a whole week. You’ll quit.
Harleigh
7 days ago
I will always mind why those guys were there. But I know what you meant CL. I love you!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Harleigh – lol, that just might work
sillylittleme
7 days ago
KT – these guys ALL have PTSD. Smoking helps that.
choicelady
7 days ago
Good advice choicelady,my finances are not good now,This has been coming on for a while
beatlex
7 days ago
KT – It works both ways. People smoke and think, “I’m fine, it may hurt other people but not me.” Then those who are harmed by it can feel, “What’s the point of not smoking now, the damage is done.”
adlib 7 days ago
CL, I have no idea what that says about our lives. Only that they are very brief and often times ugly and difficult.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
AdLib – we are a nation of self-soothers. It is sad.
choicelady
7 days ago
KT – exactly.
choicelady
7 days ago
You bet it does CL. I too have PTSD. Not from combat, but believe me, mine has been as valid. There are other forms of war and combat! As you well know!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Well, folks – I’m trundling off. Got about 4 hours of sleep last night, and it’s catching up with me after an incredibly busy day. See y’all next week. That’s the gracious Southern plural ‘you’. From the Rust Belt it would be ‘See youze next week.’ Either way have a good one!
choicelady
7 days ago
Nite Choice – you too!!
sillylittleme
7 days ago
KT – I know your story and would be amazed if you did NOT have it.
choicelady
7 days ago
CL – I think it’s natural for people, in any society, to do things that are pleasing even if they are told they may not be good for us. We are more susceptible to short term satisfactions than denying those for more nebulous, long term benefits. Then, when it’s too late and a price is being paid, the clarity and regret is there. No one’s perfect and we all want to feel good.
adlib 7 days ago
You, too, SLM.
choicelady
7 days ago
Well I am fairly soothed right now, but you need to stop before you run out of air. It was a scary feeling. My wife quit in the 80’s and had to have half her right lung removed for cancer and lots of treatments. That REALLY sucked.
Harleigh
7 days ago
AdLib – very good assessment. Yes.
choicelady
7 days ago
See ya choice.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Seeya later, CL! Have a restful weekend, you’ve earned it!
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, I’ve always considered the 2nd hand smoke theory as whiney bullshit. I am always respectful of other’s wishes when it comes to smoking. If someone doesn’t want to be around my smoke, I take it elsewhere. I am always considerate of others. But in all honesty, I think the 2nd hand dangers to be bullshit.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
by CL
Harleigh
7 days ago
Good night AdLib and Murph – hope to talk more next week, Murph. Be well.
choicelady
7 days ago
My American friends,lets call it what it is,your country is polarized and controlled by corporations,as we here in Canada are.It is just that you are the biggest,and get all the ink
beatlex
7 days ago
Harleigh, sorry that your wife had to go through so much trauma. That’s awful but I’m glad it saved her life.
adlib 7 days ago
Good night CL. Please don’t dissapear for very long. You are one the smartest and durable people I have had the pleasure to “meet.”
killgoretrout
7 days ago
AD it did…. and between that and getting sick, I finally quit.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh…your wife- terrifying for her nd you.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Beatlex – The wealthy are 1%, they need the nation polarized to stay in power and keep us fighting each other. If we came together, we’d turn on them and that would be that.
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh, I’ve lost too many friends and family members to cancer, I’m so pleased that in spite of all the hardship she had to go through, your wife is with you.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, thank goodness for electronic cigs. There is no odor, no second hand smoke and no danger to others. If we live in world that thinks this is not true, and they are so worried about their own personal longevity, then that would surely bring a tear to my eyes.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Yeah murph…. it would have been so unfair for her to die first and she’s 6 year younger than me. I get to die first! LOL
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh – glad that you get to continue enjoying each’s company
sillylittleme
7 days ago
Harleigh…you are such an unabashed cynic.
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
KT – I do think electronic cigs are a big improvement for all the reasons you stated. It’s also encouraging that the percentage of younger people taking up smoking is low and shrinking.
adlib 7 days ago
LOL murph…. I hate being bi-polar…. IT’S AWESOME!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh – Do you have a prenup to that effect?
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh –
sillylittleme
7 days ago
MURPH-lol SERIOUSLY
beatlex
7 days ago
Harleigh – Being Bi-Polar does have its ups and downs.
adlib 7 days ago
You too Harleigh? LOL! It does have it’s advantages from the normal consciousness!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Harleigh I meant!
beatlex
7 days ago
ad I’m not sure if it would hold up in court! LMAO
Harleigh
7 days ago
Harleigh….whether in mania or depression I bet you are always a wildman!
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
I know… It’s from all those vaccinations we were forced to get in the 50s – 70s!!!
Harleigh
7 days ago
Beatle…I am always serious…well, almost always….
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
I do try.
Harleigh
7 days ago
I get serious squishin trools!
Harleigh
7 days ago
https://youtu.be/JFI8X7FwMac
beatlex
7 days ago
trolls
Harleigh
7 days ago
Well, I’m off to see the wizard.
sillylittleme
7 days ago
So…who’s going to win the Superbowl?
adlib 7 days ago
Nite SLM
Harleigh
7 days ago
The Pats, have a good week all
sillylittleme
7 days ago
You heading out, slm? Great seeing you, have a wonderful weekend!
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, there will always be inconsiderate people. We can do little to prevent such folks from acting like jack-asses, smokers included. There are many other rude and possibly dangerous things people do in public. Coughing, spitting, sneezing and such, but those things are definitely far worse than 2nd hand smoke. I was taught to sneeze or cough in my elbow, so my hands would be germ free. My god, must we be so afraid of life to want to put a prophylactic on everything? Really? Such an existence I would not want to endure!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
I bet the Pats
Harleigh
7 days ago
KT it’s a good thing that Ebola did.nt kill 95% of us also too.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Seattle I hope,the Patriots are liars and cheats
beatlex
7 days ago
KT – Those are all undesirable things but what I would say sets 2nd Hand smoke apart is that prolonged exposure to it could make you ill in the long term while the others could pass a flu or cold along but for the most part, wouldn’t represent any profound or long term illness.
adlib 7 days ago
https://youtu.be/JFI8X7FwMac
beatlex
7 days ago
Why wont my linkks work Ad?
beatlex
7 days ago
I don’t care which team wins and I only watch football after regular season.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Beatlex – I feel as you do, I’d like Seattle to win and I usually root for the underdog anyway (Remember the Saints win a couple years back?) but I think the odds are with the Patriots. It will be a tainted win though.
adlib 7 days ago
Well I am heading for the hills…best to all but esp. to Beatlex
murphthesurf3
7 days ago
Beatlex – Don’t add the “v” to the “http” in the chat window, just paste the link as is and it will embed.
adlib 7 days ago
Night Murph! Have a great weekend!
adlib 7 days ago
Thanks Murph,I truly appreciate it
beatlex
7 days ago
nite murph
Harleigh
7 days ago
beatlex
7 days ago
Harleigh – Same here but my daughter got to QB in a one-off flag football game at school and now she wants to watch football!
adlib 7 days ago
Playing it now beatlex!
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, I am of Irish descent. We are famous for having a fatalist view on life. I watched the original MASH last night, and was struck (not for the first time) by the lyrics of the theme song. Suicide Is Painless. It brings on many changes, We’re going to lose it in the end, no matter what! As Jim Morrison so plainly put it, “No One Here Gets Out Alive.” I’ve always believed more strongly in the quality of life, not the quantity. I know what extreme old age brings, and it is repugnant.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
The Irish gave us the Beatles Killgore…nuff said
beatlex
7 days ago
It can really be rough as we age KT. Everyone is a little different.
Harleigh
7 days ago
KT – I do agree that the quality of life is what matters most. It’s hard to imagine being so elderly like the old folks we’ve seen and known, unable to function for yourself and possibly, enduring pain each day. When I was at lunch today, there was an elderly man with what seemed like a caregiver who was a bit rude to him but he just seemed oblivious. Not an ideal situation.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, using my own dear mother as an example. She sat, dutifully by my father’s side, night after night, for 56 years, while they watched TV together, after his long days at a steel mill. He smokes about two packs a day. My mom is 85 years old and her big problems are diabetes, macular degeneration in her eyes and extreme loss of hearing. No cancer, no problem breathing. Other than her old age maladies, she’s as strong as a horse. I just don’t buy into this 2nd hand smoke bullshit.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Ad, I can say without doubt. that my mom will never be treated that way. Never.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Harleigh, there is no avoiding it. Mother Nature has so decreed.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – My great aunt smoke heavily most of her life, she never got cancer, thankfully. But I have had friends who did. Some people are more susceptible to it than others but then danger of second hand smoke is logical and documented.
adlib 7 days ago
Killgore,there are exceptions,but most feel some repercussions from smoking Sir Walter Raleigh’s invention.He was such a stupid get!
beatlex
7 days ago
I’m not sure KT. Bartenders etc that I knew most of them did smoke already. Stewardess from the old days in planes really got it too. Smoking used to be allowed everywhere and casual 2nd hand exposure was constant then. Not nearly as much 2nd hand smoke now.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Ad, I don’t think there has ever been real evidence that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer. There are so many different attributing factors, mainly genetics, and other environmental causes. Who can definitely say that the smoke from another’s cigarette caused their cancer? I still think it’s bullshit.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
well I’m headin out folks. see ya next week.
Harleigh
7 days ago
Night Harl
beatlex
7 days ago
KT, it seems so logical to me. If there are toxins in cigarette smoke that cause cancer and a smoker exhales them, the smoker hasn’t purified the smoke they exhale, it still has a degree of those chemicals in it. Prolonged exposure to smaller doses of those chemicals would add up.
adlib 7 days ago
Night Harleigh! Rest well tonight!
adlib 7 days ago
What really gets me now, are these whiney pricks who won’t even allow vaporizing anywhere near them. I use electronic cigarettes, and they have no odor, no smoke (nothing is actually burned) no ashes, and not even fire in any form. Some folks are just determined to be able to tell others how they should live.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
They disgust me.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
No shit KT!
beatlex
7 days ago
KT – I do think everyone should have the freedom to make choices in their lives that don’t infringe on others. Smoking e-cigs is not intrusive, I think people just don’t understand them.
adlib 7 days ago
Where is the conclusive proof Ad? I really have never seen any. As I said, people should be considerate of other’s wishes. That being said, I don’t thin smokers should have to go out beyong the three mile sea limit to enjoy a smoke. Their existential choice!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
You have that right Ad,ignorance is dangerous
beatlex
7 days ago
Ad, or choose not too. And I don’t mean you. You are far too broad minded for that.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – Do you think that exhaled smoke doesn’t contain the chemicals that cause cancer?
adlib 7 days ago
Adlib,I think so,it is like smog,once released,it IS there
beatlex
7 days ago
From the EPA: Setting the Record Straight: Secondhand Smoke is a Preventable Health Risk
From the American Cancer Society: Secondhand smoke causes cancer Secondhand smoke (SHS) is classified as a “known human carcinogen” (cancer-causing agent) by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the US National Toxicology Program, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC – a branch of the World Health Organization). Tobacco smoke is a mixture of gases and particles. It contains more than 7,000 chemical compounds. More than 250 of these chemicals are known to be harmful, and at least 69 are known to cause cancer. SHS has been linked to lung cancer. There is also some evidence suggesting it might be linked to lymphoma, leukemia, and brain tumors in children, and cancers of the larynx (voice box), pharynx (throat), nasal sinuses, brain, bladder, rectum, stomach, and breast in adults.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, it has not never been determined, scientifically that smoking causes cancer in everybody that smokes. It just has never been scientifically proven. As I said, there are many environmental causes for cancers. Also genetic predisposition. How many toxins are we exposed to everyday of our lives, wether we smoke or not? How can I count the ways, as was famously asked? Jeebus Christ, everyday it seems there are warnings of some unbefore cause of cancer. Do you really want to live in such a fear filled life? I certainly do not. Again, it is the quality of existence rather than the quantity of it. I’m sorry but your recent search has not PROVEN anything as far as 2nd hand smoke. It just hasn’t. I don’t care who did the research.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – I quote the EPA and ACS just to illustrate that due to peer reviewed studies, SHS is a legit health risk. However, that has no bearing on the right of anyone to smoke if they choose to. The two are not mutually exclusive.
adlib 7 days ago
I respectfully disagree with you KT.Once the the smoke is expelled from your lungs,the chemicals are still there.Your body does not absorb them,they are still ther
beatlex
7 days ago
Look at it this way Ad. How many chemicals are in the air we breathe? How many chemicals are in the food we eat? How many chemicals are in the water we drink? How many dangerous ultra violet rays we absorb on any sunny day? Considering all of this, we have determined 2nd hand smoke to be the real villain? Really?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – It’s not a fear filled life, it’s science. And as you say, it’s an imposition on non-smokers for smokers to subject them to breathing in smoke they don’t want in their lungs. Just as smokers should have the right to smoke, non-smokers should have the right not to inhale cigarette smoke.
adlib 7 days ago
You and Ad miss my point. Please see my post after this one. I am approaching this from an existential viewpoint, and a freedom of living viewpoint. Once again. there is NO conclusive proof that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer. How can all the other contributing factors be ignored?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Ad, I have no disagrement with you about people having the right not to be exposed. But let’s be real here. How is it right to outlaw smoking OUTSIDE , in the free air that is granted to all beings? How is my smoking a cig, on a cliff overlooking an ocean, any danger to anybody?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT you did not address my comment.Second hand smoke presents a danger,IN A CLOSED ENVIRONMENT,not outside where car exhaust is as dangerous
beatlex
7 days ago
KT – There are pollutants and chemicals around us but not to the extreme of those found in cigarettes. We can use water filters (or some people drink only bottled water) to purify water, many people choose to eat organic foods to avoid the chemicals you speak of and speaking of LA, smog and pollution here has been greatly reduced from when I was a child. So, those who choose to consume food, air and water that has minimal chemical content should have that right. Just as those who don’t believe one needs to be so cautious have the right to consume what they want. As long as one isn’t forcing the other to consume what they choose, it’s cool.
adlib 7 days ago
It is fear in those who think that if they don’t rid their lives of any possible passive danger, then they must live in such fear. What a bunch of fucking wimps.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – It’s outlawed to smoke outside in OH?
adlib 7 days ago
Hello? you guys want to have a private conversation? I feel you are ignoring me
beatlex
7 days ago
B. I’m not sure it does. Again, where is the scientific PROOF? I am also NOT advocating that others should have to be subject to my smoke. What is the problem here, exactly?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Beatlex, I’m with you on this. I appreciate KT’s POV, he’s approaching it from a philosophical position that we’re exposed to toxicity every day in one way or another but where we differ is on whether more and substantially greater exposure to toxicity makes a difference or not.
adlib 7 days ago
There are studies KT,it only makes sense that if you are in the same room as a non smoker,some of those chemicals are being breated in by the non smoker
beatlex
7 days ago
Not yet Ad, but it is in New York and parts of Mass. The National Seashore is now protected by law against cigarette smoking. In Public. I am not being paranoid about this. I simply think the anti-smoking crusade, and that is exactly what it is, has gone too far. The right tlks about loss of freedoms, and I have to say, they are usually wrong in their examples. but they aren’t entire paranoid either.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
You are correct that it has gone to far KT,that is how debate is usually engaged on most subjects,smoking is no different
beatlex
7 days ago
You still miss my my point B. You can’t go on…”it only makes sense.” If that were the case, how come my mom doesn’t have cancer? She spent 56 years exposed to my dad’s heavey smoking, in a confined space? The so called science does not add up, as you would believe!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Beatlex – Indeed, the EPA doesn’t make categorical statements without a preponderance of studies to back up their conclusions. So yes, there are studies proving this. The conclusion is based on science. One can argue against scientific results and conclusions being correct but these seem very intuitive and studied.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, it is not a philosophical view that we are exposed to dangerous chemicals everyday. It is reality.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Killgore,I can give you names of people who smoked for 80 years without effects,those are the exceptions
beatlex
7 days ago
So B, how right is it to categorically claim that all second hand smoke cuases caner, to the point of making laws against smoking increasingly more severe? Talk about a police state. Just look at our draconian drug laws. Such laws are the antithesis of what a free republic is supposed to be about.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Lets take the common sense view KT.If I am sitting next to you in a closed room,you are bound to ingest some of it.Smoking outdoors is a different thing completely.
beatlex
7 days ago
My point boils down to this. In such a dangerous world in which we live, where anybody could die from a tornado, a haurricane, a flood, a random shooting by some crazed individual, a terrorist bombing like the one in Boston, any number of diseases…etc
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – The philosophical issue was what I described, your point has been that there is already so much toxicity around us that SHS doesn’t matter. I believe it does. That’s the issue I mentioned, not disagreeing about there being toxicity all around us (though in far smaller amounts tha cigarette smoke).
adlib 7 days ago
Exactly my point B. But there are, now, laws in some states that prohibit smoking, even in the outdoors. It’s simply gone way too far.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
nd I am being proved right
beatlex
7 days ago
Something went awry on my first part of my statement,I said,the smoker haters wont be happy until we are relagated to the fucking moon
beatlex
7 days ago
KT – You mentioned above of your fatalist view of life and I do understand your POV. It is a philosophical disagreement in their respect, I’m more of a believer in determinism than fatalism so from my POV, there are things that we can avoid that may make our future better, I know we’re all destined to leave the mortal coil eventually but as you mentioned, having a higher quality of life until that point is what matters. To some, that quality of life is one thing, to others, it’s another, it’s always subjective.
adlib 7 days ago
Really Ad? in far smaller amounts? How do you know? How about air pollution, coal dust, radiation due to a weakened atmosphere, the food you eat, the water you drink? Are you kidding me? Have you done such exact comparisons? I don’t think so. I think you are very much against smoking in general and look for any way to make others see it as a bad thing. Of course it is a bad thing. I have never said it wasn’t. So let’s, due to inconclusive evidence, move on to more philosophical arguments. How about personal freedom. How about a person’s right to determine what they put into their bodies? I’ve siad, more than once in this discussion that people should respect other’s wishes, and I live that.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Well Ad, ask a person who is 90 years old, how enjoyable life is. Really, I’m not being sarcastic. It’s a fact of Nature that our bodies and faculties diminish with age. I TOO have said that people should respect other’s wishes. Surely you saw what I’ve written! But just where do you draw the line? A public establishement? The parking lot? The street? the common? the lakes and camp grounds? There are groups that want to abolish smoking from the face of the earth. How fucking authoritarian is that That is the epitome of a nanny state.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – We have state and national entities that test the air and water so we know what’s in it. The EPA and here in CA, we have the CEPA. The levels of carcinogens in our air and water are minimal compared to the intensity of carcinogens in cigarette smoke. Science is science.
adlib 7 days ago
I think we can all agree,carcinagens from where ever they come from are bad,Just look at vids of the chinese trying to preserve their lungs.It will be full on respirators in time.With smoking being a fraction of the equation
beatlex
7 days ago
Again, there is NO conclusive proof that tobacco smoke causes cancer in those that don’t smoke. There isn’t even solid proff that it does, in all people that smoke. Why not ban car exhaust? Cow farts? Fertilizers stink?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
READ my above comment please KT
beatlex
7 days ago
Ad, all due respect, I don’t see how that can possibly be accurately determined. Cone on now.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
B. I’m saying that carcinogens are not bad. I’m saying that in a world filled with thousands of them, why point to smoking cigs as the big threat? It’s bullshit. I am sick of the extremes to which some environmentalists go. I think it’s as bad as some of the extremes to which conservatives go.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – I’ve provided studies and conclusions from highly respected entities including this nation’s primary agency that assesses the dangers and safety of what we eat, drink and breathe, the EPA. Their conclusions, as scientists, are based on peer reviewed studies that led them to conclude that SHS is a health risk. I think they are a credible source, you may not but this is concrete scientific support for the view I support.
adlib 7 days ago
Fossil fuels my friend KT,that is the base line
beatlex
7 days ago
Well ad, as I said, they are NOT conclusive. If they were, how come, after 42 years of smoking. not 2nd hand, cigas AND pot, I am still healthy and have no breathing problems? One has to measure realit bu one’s own experience. Perhaps you put too much emphasis of (god forbid) Faith in these findings. Show me conclusivie studies that show2nd hand smoke to cause cancer, and I’ll gladly agree. You haven’t done that. Not even the scientists themselves have done that.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
AdLib,I repect your opinions,always,I think,but can’t speak for KT,I think he is saying smokers are being picked on.I agree with that.There are chemicals floating in the air we breath,every day,Smoking is personally harmful,and can pose a risk to non smokers ,IN A CLOSED ROOM.It is obvious to me
beatlex
7 days ago
Let’s take this argument beyond science. Who has the right to tell me what substance i can or cannot use? As Long as what I do does not hurt others, why should I be restricted from doing so? There is a town in Mass that is trying to ban even the sale of tobacco products? Where is the freedom in that? Ever increasingly, laws are being passed to restrict the freedom of choice by supposedly FREE Americans. Where does it end?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
You are right KT,the “special interest” groups are always lookin for a wedge issue
beatlex
7 days ago
KT – These are the findings of scientists at the EPA and American Cancer Society. You don’t believe their conclusions, I see that. But why is that? What independent scientific source do you find more credible?
adlib 7 days ago
I think B, there is little doubt that what you say is true. I think it does boil down to special interest! What ever happened to the concept of FREEDOM? I am a strong believer in the concept od the social compact. But where do we draw the lines?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
They are being redrawn as we speak KT.
beatlex
7 days ago
It’s not a matter of of finding a more “credible,” source. None of what you have cited proves “conclusively,” that 2nd hand smoke directly causes cancer. You simply have not shown such evidence. That’s OK, neither has the scientific community at large. I don’t care about air particulate findings. How about findings that prove such particulates cause cancer? And how do you separate those particulates into which ones do or do not cause cancer? Show me such a study, and I will relinquish any futher argument.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
For the record,I agree with both of you.There is the scientific findings,and the personal freedoms Americans cherish.
beatlex
7 days ago
Those are two seperate arguments B, but they do collide, sometimes with great emotion.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
I am saying they shouldn’t.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Really KT? we may not have the science nailed down,but common sense should trll us ‘somethings happening here”
beatlex
7 days ago
What boundaries do we rightly place on freedom?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
B, I’m not sure what that means? Something such as…what?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Right now, in the privacy of my little apartment, I am smoking a cigarette. There is nobody else in the place. Yet, many apartment and hotel/motel rooms have banned smoking. I mean, come on now, where do these bans stop, within the reason of any free thinking person?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – If we can’t agree that some of the most skilled scientists in the nation would have a more informed view on a scientific issue than one of our personal opinions, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
adlib 7 days ago
Asthma in children is sky rocketing KT, I don’t think cigarette smoking is causing that. Its the fucking car exhaust,and changes in our environment with all the fossil fuel burning we do
beatlex
7 days ago
I’m still trying to understand what freedom is being taken away from smokers. I understand that there is a concern that laws may be passed sometime in the future that may infringe on their personal freedoms but as far as I know, there aren’t any laws that restrict citizens from smoking in non-public place. Smoking in public places is an infringement on the rights of non-smokers not to inhale cigarette smoke but where are there laws against smoking in the privacy of one’s own home or property?
adlib 7 days ago
No, we won’t just have to disagree. There is no COBCLUSIVE evidence that 2nd hand smoke actually causes cancer. Again, mu mother is living proof. I am living proof that direct smoking does not, in every case, cause cancer. That should lead one to believe that there are OTHER contributing factors. Geesh!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
It is the American way Ad,”don’t fuck with my freedoms” seem to overide a lot
beatlex
7 days ago
If I am forbidden from smoking in my apartment, and yes I signed a lease, that is a restriction of my freedom, especially if this apartment is the only thing I could get. Should I be homeless because I smoke cigs? Jeebus Ad, what do you consider to be freedom?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Well B, some freedoms in this country are constantly being CHIPPED away at. Bit by little bit. That’s how the authoritarians gain ground. It goes beyond just smoking. This country used to be free. Now we live in a fear filled nanny state where the government decides for you, what is good or bad. Fuck me!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT,I think you are using a flawed argument,just because your Mother does not seem to be suffering bad consequences proves nothing
beatlex
7 days ago
B, maybe you should reread what I have written. Please explain to me what is flawed in my arguments. Please!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Really KT? You’re not trying to use anecdotal evidence to prove an absolute truth? So cigarettes don’t cause cancer unless they cause cancer in 100% of people? One out of five deaths in the US are caused by smoking. This is a concrete statistic from the US Dept. of HHS. So you’re thankfully in the 80%. I’m glad of that but I’m sorry for the 20% who have passed away because of smoking. Some of them have been my friends.
adlib 7 days ago
I think there is proof of second hand smoking causing cancer,I don’t have links,now.But you seem to be basing a good part of your argument on the fact your mother is fine.Smoking KILLED my mother at age 66
beatlex
7 days ago
Beatlex – I do agree, anecdotal arguments are not effective. For example, I read a story recently about a man who was shot in the head but lived. So it would be inaccurate to claim that being shot in the head doesn’t kill you because this one man didn’t die from it.
adlib 7 days ago
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beatlex
7 days ago
KT – For the record, here are conclusive studies quoted: In early 1993, EPA released a report (Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking: Lung Cancer and Other Disorders; EPA/600/6-90/006 F) that evaluated the respiratory health effects from breathing secondhand smoke (also called environmental tobacco smoke (ETS)). In that report, EPA concluded that secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in adult nonsmokers and impairs the respiratory health of children. These findings are very similar to ones made previously by the National Academy of Sciences and the U.S. Surgeon General. The EPA report classified secondhand smoke as a Group A carcinogen, a designation which means that there is sufficient evidence that the substance causes cancer in humans. The Group A designation has been used by EPA for only 15 other pollutants, including asbestos, radon, and benzene. Only secondhand smoke has actually been shown in studies to cause cancer at typical environmental levels. EPA estimates that approximately 3,000 American nonsmokers die each year from lung cancer caused by secondhand smoke. Every year, an estimated 150,000 to 300,000 children under 18 months of age get pneumonia or bronchitis from breathing secondhand tobacco smoke. Secondhand smoke is a risk factor for the development of asthma in children and worsens the condition of up to one million asthmatic children.
adlib 7 days ago
All I know for sure is that I am suffering now from 45 years of smoking.It is real to me
beatlex
7 days ago
I never said that cigarettes don’t cause cancer in some cases. I said they don’t cause cancer in 100% of cases. When you mention your friends, you are showing a bit of emotion that blinds you to what I am saying. Again. all you offer are stats. Nothing you have shown me has been conclusive . I am I wrong about that? Stats are better suited to the the science of psychiatry than the physical sciences. I’m not basing my arguments on just my mother, or me, but thousands of others. OK, let’s assume statistics prove your case. The numbers would INDICATE that they do. Let’s move on to matters of freedom and public safety. Being a strong believer in the social compact, what would my smoking, in the privacy of my apartment or hotel room do to damage that compact? Isn’t the entire concept of the social compact about a give and take of personal freedoms?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
There are three conclusive studies, KT. From the EPA, the National Academy of Sciences and The Surgeon General. You’re of course free to choose a personal opinion over all these scientists and studies but I don’t think it refutes their findings.
adlib 7 days ago
B, you are an individual case. Not everybody who smokes suffers from what you are suffering. I am very sorry to know that you are suffering, but it doesn’t prove that everybody who smokes will suffer the same fait.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Ad, could you please provide links to those studies?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
They are NOT conclusive. I am not just using opinion. I’m referring to actual people, myself included. Those numbers are nameless and faceless.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
All I know for sure KT is my own case,since I was diagnosed with COPD,my health has suffered,big time.It is my REALITY KT. It has been life changing for me,and not to the good.I dread going to bed some nights not knowing how I am going to fee when I wake up.That is not antedotal,but reality for me KT
beatlex
7 days ago
KT – Stats are best suited for psychiatry? If we can’t agree that statitistics are facts, I think we’re out of gas now in this conversation.
adlib 7 days ago
KT – Here’s a link to the report on those studies:
adlib 7 days ago
B, I never said your case was anecdotal. Please give me a little credit here. I have come to know you as a real person. A person not unlike myself in many ways. I would never try to deminish what you are going through. I hope you can regain your health. I know what it is like to wake up without enough air. My case is because of sleep apniea, not lung related. I am 60 years old and have smoked cigs AND pot most of my adult life. If it were true that smoking caused all these ailments, in every instance, how wouls science explain me?
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – Please consider that your personal experience and the results from smoking are completely different than Beatlex’s. So here is the reality staring you in the face. Some smokers pay a serious price for smoking, some don’t. This isn’t a study, this is reality and Beatlex is here to affirm that.
adlib 7 days ago
Stats are not CONCLUSIVE! I went to college (only for three semesters), but during that time one of my classes was statistics. I also has a class in psychology. Statistics help determine a general theory. They are, in and of themselves, not enough for a conclusion, or proven FACT.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – Even the cigarette companies have finally admitted that cigarette smoke causes cancer. Why do you need to believe they don’t?
adlib 7 days ago
Every case is different KT,I just know what my reality is,My life since the diagnosis has been a private hell.I dread going to bed,not knowing how I am going to feel when I wake up.It has shaken my life to the core.I am afraid now.And I am sure my smoking got me heree
beatlex
7 days ago
Ad, do you really believe I am not aware of the dangers? Jeebus man, that’s been my whole point, all along. There are many dangers in life. Should we live in little bubbles of fear, or should we enjoy the very special time we’ve been allotted? We can argue all night about whether cigs, by themselves, cause cancer. My point is, how can one know exactly what factors are involved in real life cancers? How does one separate all the other factors and point fingers at smokers? It’s total bullshit.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Again Ad, you miss my point. Plenty of smokers have NOT contracted cancer. So how can anybody claim that cigarettes, in every case, cause cancer. It’s bullshit.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
KT – I’ve got to head out now and bring Vox to a close (we’re near a record time for Vox which is cool but I have to get up early tomorrow). I understand your position on this, I don’t agree with you but I do understand where you’re coming from. Have a great weekend and I’ll see you here next week for Vox!
adlib 7 days ago
Beatlex – I hope you can get some rest tonight and wake up tomorrow in good shape. Very sorry to hear what you’re going through but stay strong, you’ve got a lot of friends here who are behind you. Night!
adlib 7 days ago
B, I never said your smoking didn’t contribute to your illness. Again, I’m seriously sad to hear that you are ill. I was just saying I know the nightmare it is to wake up and have to fight for your next breath. All I’m saying is that smoking is not always the cause. In my case it has been sleep apnea. The sysmptoms are very much the same, and can be fatal.
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Holy Shyte Ad! I didn’t realize so much time had passed. I really would like to take this up at another time, for I feel you are looking at this from a more emotional viewpoint and missing my general point. Anyway, have a good night and thanks for all you do! I mean that!
killgoretrout
7 days ago
Nite KT!
adlib 7 days ago
You know I respect you KT,we just have different perspectives,see you on music thread in the morning?
beatlex
7 days ago
you still there ad?
beatlex
7 days ago
Ad! you still there?
beatlex
7 days ago
10-4
beatlex
7 days ago
Goodnight friends!
beatlex
7 days ago
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