Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then! AdLib4 hours ago I might be a bit in and out at the start of Vox but will be fully here shortly after. Then again, I may be on time so place your bets! AdLib4 […]
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]]>AdLib4 hours ago
I might be a bit in and out at the start of Vox but will be fully here shortly after. Then again, I may be on time so place your bets!
AdLib4 hours ago
Tryi g to see from yacht club ok so far
pinkpantheroz
4 hours ago
Hi Ad and PPO!!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Good evening CL
twilson117
2 hours ago
PPO how are you
twilson117
2 hours ago
Hey, TW!!! Did you get my email?\
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL yes I sent you a response
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL you may not have had a chance to look at it yet
twilson117
2 hours ago
I think PPO dropped off again. OK – I will check it out when we are done here. Thank you.
choicelady
2 hours ago
I did reply just a couple of hours ago. That’s the one to which I’m referring.
choicelady
2 hours ago
PPO you’re back
twilson117
2 hours ago
PPO isn’t showing up on my “log in” list. Do you see him?
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL I was on a call for a bit didn’t see it I will check it out after the session.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Yes
twilson117
2 hours ago
No problem on the email. I apparently have a shadow PPO!
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – I’m going to log out and back in – the whole thing is wonky on my end. BRB.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Last message from ppo something about yacht club
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ok
twilson117
2 hours ago
Well, it’s no better, but it’s fine. Are you and PPO going to get together this year? Ad and I will see him in San Fran in July. Not sure if he’s going to Boston again or not.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL if he comes back this way I make it a point to get together.
twilson117
2 hours ago
I spoke with Ad earlier today and he said he may be a little late he’s at a game for his daughter.
twilson117
2 hours ago
That’s so nice. I’m glad since Fergie died that he’s still coming this way, stopping at favorite places and going to Ireland.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad is her greatest fan! No clue where they’re playing tonight. I’ve met her. She is a lovely young woman.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL I really enjoyed meeting him
twilson117
2 hours ago
MURPH!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Murph is in the house
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL we all attended my son’s soccer games as well so I understand what it’s like to be the parent of an athlete
twilson117
2 hours ago
So what do you think of today’s announcement regarding Georgia
twilson117
2 hours ago
I find our “addresses” beside our names are more to do with where our internet server is than where WE are. I know Murph isn’t in St. Louis. I’m not in Fair Oaks. Very odd.
choicelady
2 hours ago
I’m he-e-ere.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad the Vox Master has arrived
twilson117
2 hours ago
Just reading through the comments…so far…done.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Hi Ad
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
TW I think I’m very pleased the judge said Ms. Willis had done nothing wrong but peeved he thinks it “looks bad” and Wade (?) has to go. Dumb.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Hi Ad!!! How was the game?
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL well I’m just glad she’s still on the case. And I have a feeling there will be hell to pay and the devil is coming with her.
twilson117
2 hours ago
They split the games, my daughter didn’t play much today, she should tomorrow.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – LOL!!! I think you’re correct. She is very calm, but I believe smoke can be detected coming from her ears. And I don’t blame her.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Well, I am glad she gets more tomorrow.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad – PPO was here momentarily, but he’s dropped off. Hope he comes back.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL did you see Jared just got another big deal, talking about graft and corruption.
twilson117
2 hours ago
No – I had NOT seen that Jared enriched himself further. Dayum. What this time?
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL deals in Albania and Serbia
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – for WHAT?
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL not sure yet but it’s big bucks.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – I never saw a man with less talent get more money… That’s disgusting. And they have the nerve to talk about HUNTER???
choicelady
2 hours ago
I think Judge Mcafee did exactly the right thing, he had to disconnect Wade and the relationship issue before the trial began. And Willis did deserve a slap on the wrist for doing what she shouldn’t have in hiring him.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL well that is what they do.
twilson117
2 hours ago
I find myself in a time when I should be quite pleased….in my professorial days I was often the target of relative disdain by colleagues for my position that the U.S. was, in fact, a mess, and not a beacon: unfinished at best, irreparably unworkable far more likely.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Ad – they started seeing each other AFTER he was hired. He doesn’t work for her or the county. There was nothing inappropriate about their relationship.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Murph – I think our country CAN be workable, but right now it’s like pulling teeth to make things operate as they should.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL like I wrote in the comment section of a Times piece women always have to pay a higher price for the same things we men do.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – thank you for saying that.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL I think we all know if the shoe was on the other foot this wouldn’t have been brought up.
twilson117
2 hours ago
BRB – someone is running our outside water. Want to make sure it’s friend, not foe.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Even so, it’s the appearance of impropriety that prosecutors and judges have to avoid completely. Unless they’re on the SCOTUS.
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph times have indeed changed
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad can’t argue with that.
twilson117
an hour ago
The age of Trump aka The Age of Total Corruption local and world wide.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – well, that’s the point. It is far worse elsewhere, her actions were fine, but appearances. Dumb.
choicelady
an hour ago
Why does one side – law and order, Constitutionalists, Dems – have to be purer than Caesar’s wife but the RW get to be corrupt to the bone and walk away?
choicelady
an hour ago
The NYT declared that the Willis trial will now not take place before the election. That isn’t a fact at all. If the duration of pretrial and trial time would make it run past the election, Willis and Jack Smith can cut the prosecution into two and proceed speedily with the most powerful charges then follow up with the rest. No way Willis or Smith will accept defeat to Trump’s crooked delay tactics.
AdLiban hour ago
The Supreme was a faulty mechanism from the start and its fundamental faults have never been publicly considered or privately debated in a consequential fashion. It has mucked up so much so often and yet we have never had the courage or determination to recognize that
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Trumpian corruption sure has shown us how many flaws we have.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Yes, hubris is can be such a self-destructive thing when a person is in a position of power.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – I don’t think we can point to individual corruption since we saw the breadth of it in Nixon then Iran-Contra. It has been slowly growing to be systemic. And we NEVER ridded ourselves of the 1940s pro Nazi filth. It also grew. Integration, Roe, Obergefell just made it obvious.
choicelady
an hour ago
I AM COMING TO BELIEVE THAT….neraly everyone at a crucial spot in the criminal procedures involving Trump is doing everything they can duck, swerve, avoid and cover….so that they are not the fulcrum shifting the momentum to the election. Let the People Decide! Sounds good in principle….in fact the People is an Ass.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – So true and I think part of the problem is with the MSM. They make “her emails” or “too old” a huge meme for Dems but Trump declares he will destroy the Constitution and be a dictator and they breeze right over that. The MSM makes it this way, this double standard.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – I think the People are less assey (new word) than they were. I think they’re ready to reclaim stability, decency, peace.
choicelady
an hour ago
This problem w the MSM began in the 1970s with mergers and then w Reagan the ending of the fairness doctrine. Investigative reporting now is tabloid window peeping. They aren’t honorable. Journalists have NO clue how to be good.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…maybe…but I have deep doubts
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – Congress has the power to modify the SCOTUS, enlarge it, require ethics rules, and restrict it from ruling on any issues it chooses but the two main commerce matters in the Constitution. And end lifetime appointments. Ridiculous in an alleged democracy to create “kings of justice”.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – you are personally surrounded by the worst of the worst. I am trying to look nationally because MO seems hopeless.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – we can and will make those changes IF we elect enough Dems.
choicelady
an hour ago
Anyone have thoughts about whether or not two more GOP will leave before the end and flip the House Dem?
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad…they have the power…..presume they do, then why has this not been tackled…..? And…can the court overrule any action aimed at altering its makeup and structure?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Sorry got knocked off for a minute
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – we lacked the votes. The first thing that has to go is the filibuster AND the personal, Tubervillian, holds on things.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Nixon was terrible but he didn’t control the whole party, instigate a seditious attack to overturn an election, or openly admit he sides with our main global adversaries while attacking our allies. Trump is Nixon exponentially multiplied.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – just so you’re OK!
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – that was my point. It WAS systemic in his administration, but by NOT holding him accountable, Reagans’s disgusting perfidy grew, and we got arch conservatives like Newt to support that. And it went on from there. Reagan embraced the Religious Right also. Disastrous.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad….imagine…one of the side effects of Trumpism is a reassessment of Nixonion of the Nixonian plot.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL no problem just a little glitch
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – I confidently believe that Jack Smith, Fani WIllis, Judge Chutkin, the NY and GA judges, and Alvin Bragg are committed to trying Trump before the election. I bet most if not all accomplish this too.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph I believe we are seeing the results of some of the things Paine wrote about coming to bite us in our rears.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – the guy who came out and admitted Reagan committed treason by bargaining w Iran to hold the hostages was a one day story. Time to dig more deeply into it.
choicelady
an hour ago
Tw…I agree…Pain ended up as a pariah because he challenged the model so effectively.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph for example this little quote:“How easy is it to abuse truth and language when men, by habitual wickedness, have learned to set justice at defiance.”—Common Sense, on the King of England’s Speech
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – this IS our Second Revolution. Payne is increasingly relevant. Our modern soothsayer is Timothy Snyder. He has the same economy of language and ability to spot tyranny at 100 yards.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad…..I hope you are correct but I do not expect that the momentum that feet-dragging (odd Iknow!) is very, very powerful.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW, Powerful.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – Good point. When the corporations took over, which are never run by liberals, and turned news divisions into profit-driven departments, that was the end of the press as a whole serving the people. The NYT is disgusting garbage now, WAPO is crappy. Most news outlets are openly corrupt IMO. They’re supposed to serve the public and deliver news, not promote propaganda and claim it’s just giving the Repubs equal treatment. Facts used to matter, now the appearance of a faux equality is the excuse for their corruption.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – Trump will not win. He is toast, short or long term.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL I’m feeling that way. I believe there is a lot on the line here and people are failing to see that if they elect Trump they are voting for the end of democracy as we have known it.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – Exactly! Dems need to win big this year and we can fix so many of these serious breakdowns in our democracy.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph I’m coming to believe Mr. Paine was a man ahead of his time.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – I actually think they DO know it. The votes across the nation have been consistently 71% for sanity, rights, and Dems.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad I agree Dems really need to get the vote out.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL…I pray you are correct.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – I am old enough to want to be quiet, not involved, but I’m not able to do that.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL I do see from time to time some folks are realizing what they have to lose. I just hope more of them show up to let Trump known he’s not wanted.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – the people are telling ME, I’m not telling them. They see what incompetence is happening w the MAGA party. The GOP is gone. They aren’t accepting it.
choicelady
an hour ago
The power that comes with money, the attraction to tyranny, the desire for dominance have crushed the spirit of equality again, and again, and again.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – but we are fighting back. Look at the vote for choice in OHIO! I think the MAGAs take their dominance for granted, but look how many state houses and governerships flipped blue.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – No, the Constitution grants Congress the power to make rules binding the SCOTUS. COngress has changed the size of the SCOTUS multiple times. They are the check over SCOTUS unchecked power. SCOTUS has no constitutional authority to dictate to Congress what rules are placed on them unless specifically mentioned in the Constitution. Including jurisdiction. COngress could declare a rule that SCOTUS is prohibited from ruling over Constitutional rights already posessed, for example. Which they should. Rights should only grow, never be subtracted by a court.
AdLiban hour ago
CL when people think that Johnny Depp and Amber Heard’s divorce was more important than what is going on in the country we have a problem
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – I think those things coexist. People can and do multitask. I think they will. The evidence is there. We need to build on it.
choicelady
an hour ago
I do not say that is not possible Dems to win out in big elections…they could….but I am increasingly worried that the system itself is fundamentally unstable and easily titled toward the rule of the elites with necessitates weakening those in the middle and lower level cohorts.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL you make and interesting point, I wonder how people would respond if it was put to the test as to which is more important and have to explain why.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – No matter how long a trial is delayed, unless the judge is a Trump troll like Cannon, they eventually run out of delays and the trial date happens. As in the E. Jean Carroll cases and the Engoran case.
AdLiban hour ago
But we KNOW that. And we have a president who just set up a price gouging commission. It took 40 plus years to get this messed up. It will take more time to fix it.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – I am merely anecdotal here, but I know a lot of people who were interested in the Depp-Heard case as an issues of gender fairness. Then they turned around and fought for other issues, too.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad…I get your philosophical drift in this….I suggest the forces favoring corrupt elitism are using every niche and cranny to disable the government’s operation.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I saw a poll of Haley voters in MI, 50% said they would vote for Biden. Haley got 26% of the vote, that means 13% of MI Repubs will not vote for Trump. How can any party’s president win when 13% of their party’s voters vote against them? They can’t. Trump will lose this election bigly.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad I believe there are some in the House who want to change things, but they have been over run by the idiots like Jordan and Gaetz Green and the idiot doing the impeachment of Biden and interviewing Hunter. They don’t want to govern they just want retribution for perceived wrong doings not doing their homework because as you’ve said before all they want is power.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – they always HAVE, Murph. From the Robber Barons on, they fought to suppress democracy and controls. They didn’t get decimated by the New Deal, but we have had periods of regulation, break up of monopoly, etc. and when we had good leadership, they were sustained. We CAN do it again.
choicelady
an hour ago
Anyone remember the breakup of ATT? And now it’s back. We had conservative presidents who are only too happy to allow such monopolies. We need to be wiser.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – Don’t disagree that the plutocrats have an outsized influence on elections but I don’t think it is enough to overpower the majority because they have lost and the majority has voted overwhelmingly for Dems in every election for the past 8 years, since Trump won in 2016.
AdLiban hour ago
CL I will admit I have a blind side when it comes to domestic issues such as that. Especially when it seems to me there are far more important things going on. But, I take your point around gender fairness. So perhaps I should be focusing more on the press as they were the ones playing this up.
twilson117
an hour ago
Biden is the PERFECT person because he will break up monopolies and reinstate regulations. And it will be far better for prices and for us.
choicelady
an hour ago
I argue on Twitter all the time, TW, that we should make picketing, boycotting media a MAJOR issue. We did it to get Rush off the air, and it worked. We need to fight as hard for democratic principles.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – True, the corrupt elite are using their power to slant elections as best they can but it isn’t enough and hasn’t been enough year after year for 8 years and counting. Maybe they can cheat a certain percentage their way but it’s not enough to outweigh a strong majority voting for Dems and democracy.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad I guess it comes do to knowing if democracy is strong with the people.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – I agree they can’t stop the Blue Wave. Trump himself is the core of the disillusionment. When the Glorious Leader is so flawed, we can act strongly.
choicelady
an hour ago
I wonder about rhe underlying rule of “monied powers” why have no real national identity or loyalty for whom the gathering of gold is all that really matters….consider their power in the gun debate for example – how easily the national outrage is pushed aside even when the bodies of dead children are the totems for reform.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – democracy is strong with those who’ve been harmed. MAGA think they got what they wanted and are not changeable. But there’s a HUGE ‘worried middle’ who see Biden and even Harris as temperate people working for them. LOOK at the popularity of ACA now! The old fear mongering isn’t working anymore.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – True, the obnoxious and hostile minority of Repubs in The House have helped terrify other Repubs of Trump’s wrath. They are selfish cowards, afraid to stand up against what they know is wrong. Multiple accounts of Repubs in Congress privately saying they hope Trump dies or is put in prison but nearly all are more afraid of losing their power in government than standing up to an absolute enemy of the country.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – the NRA is nearly dead thanks to its internal corruption, and without that voice, gun humpers are having a really hard time of it.
choicelady
an hour ago
It is insights like these that tell me how far we have fallen….” but nearly all are more afraid of losing their power in government than standing up to an absolute enemy of the country.”
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL…how are gun bumpers having a hard time….they do not seem to need the NRA now….the gun movement has its own life.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Hello Harleigh.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Allow me to say that with so many dioceses in the Catholic church declaring bankruptcy, they are also losing power. The entire religious right is hemorrhaging members rapidly. What we see in public from them is not power but desperation.
choicelady
an hour ago
Hi guys!
Harleigh
an hour ago
Hi Harleigh!
choicelady
an hour ago
Harleigh is the house
twilson117
an hour ago
CL are you saying the churches are losing money? Oh my.
twilson117
an hour ago
I gave up religion, episcopal, when I was 12 because its all bs…. 63 years ago!
Harleigh
an hour ago
CL – This is my proposition to anyone who uses anything other than facts to support their proposition that Trump will win. Facts. Not polls but indisputable facts called election results. 8 years and running, Dems have overperformed constantly and Repubs have underperformed. Despite the NYT polls predicting the opposite. Remember the Red Wave that the MSM all declared was coming in 2022? They are wholly untrustworthy when it comes to the truth about the prospects of an upcoming election. Dems have the majority behind them because facts show that they do. Facts matter and the trends that those facts illustrate matter, that is reality, not feelings.
AdLiban hour ago
Hey Harleigh!
AdLiban hour ago
Harleigh – the Episcopal Church is the OPPOSITE today of the religious right. Ordained women, LGBTQ clergy and bishops, not your old church! I left after you, but it was the refusal to ordain women, and look at them now!
choicelady
an hour ago
All of the mainline denominations are embracing every kind of diversity and justice. They aren’t what they were at all.
choicelady
an hour ago
I’m in democrat central for floriduh, Ft Lauderdale. Most of floriduh is magat land
Harleigh
an hour ago
Harleigh just what do they see in Trump in your neck of the woods?
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – FACTS DO MATTER!!!
choicelady
an hour ago
Who here thinks Jack Smith will not allow Trump to escape a criminal trial before the election?
AdLiban hour ago
Ad…hope your interpretation is on the spot….muy fear….the victories you name are real but beneath the surface the power of money drives t all and monied powers favor systems that are fundamentally undemocratic and authoritarian and those powers continue to work at electoral integrity to create results that will serve them. They will not give up.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Harleigh – what’s the word on the Senate race? I see ads from the woman Dem, and she is ahead of that death mask corrupt POS.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad does dog with a bone count for an answer?
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – if humanly possible, Scott will pin Trump to the floor.
choicelady
44 minutes ago
The magats of floriduh love liars and thieves like Stinky Spanky, Scott, Rubitard, deSewer…
Harleigh
44 minutes ago
Murph – agreed on money most of the time. But large conservative donors are pulling OUT of MAGA races including Trump’s. He is BROKE. Having Lara Trump as vice chair is the death knell. She will direct the money to Trump legal bills and totall screw the down ticket races.
choicelady
43 minutes ago
Harleigh…..florida and Missouri are twinned in that regard.
MurphTheSurf3
43 minutes ago
CL If Drump is pinned to the floor the Drump lovers will cut the floor out and say he was nailed to the cross and therefore is our savior and should be worshiped and will rise on the third day.
twilson117
42 minutes ago
lol murph
Harleigh
42 minutes ago
Trump’s declaration he has all the votes he needs is a joke. He has no money to assure that.
choicelady
42 minutes ago
CL – I feel like we’re in a modern day edition of The Emperor’s New Clothes. 8 years of elections proving a growing majority votes for Dems and yet the MSM and many who accept their conclusions believe neither party has a consistent majority. And on top of this, more and more polls and stories about Repubs refusing to vote for Trump again. There was the MI poll I mentioned and the anecdotal evidence in real life of a moderate Repub I know telling me she won’t vote for Trump no matter what. This looks to be around at least 10% of Repub voters. No candidate can survive the abandonment of 10% of their voters. Zero.
AdLib42 minutes ago
TW – LOL!!! Yes, but they are pissing off the faithful with that crap.
choicelady
41 minutes ago
CL when did Trump say that? If he has all the votes he needs then he is admitting he will commit voter fraud. Trump loves telling people what he will and how he will cheat.
twilson117
40 minutes ago
CL……I have read of the scenario you describe re. money but what I do not see is the evidence in support of the matter. Monied powers support those who have the power to direct more money their way…..and are drawn to do so….that certainly seems to say that support, even indirect support, for reform and progressive thinking stands on thin ice.
MurphTheSurf3
40 minutes ago
I hope some of Spanky’s trials actually get started
Harleigh
40 minutes ago
Harleigh just heard Spanky’s trial will start the middle of April
twilson117
39 minutes ago
Spanky and the RNC are running out of money and support
Harleigh
39 minutes ago
Murph – True indeed, the plutocrats are growing their games to bypass democracy and they will never stop. But they’re not there yet to be able to thwart a solid majority. Which is why the Dems need to win unified control this Nov, kill the filibuster (or at least kill it regarding civil right issues), and install the changes and guardrails that prevent plutocrats and the next potential Trump from overthrowing our democracy.
AdLib39 minutes ago
The anti Israel protests are fizzling out, and Schumer’s challenge to Netanyahu was HUGE. Biden’s call for a case fire was huge. OMAR commended Biden for that. So the Undecideds will not hold against Biden.
choicelady
38 minutes ago
Murph Citizens United is proving to be the banned to our democratic process.
twilson117
38 minutes ago
TW – Absolutely! Ravenous dog with a bone, Smith is not someone who would accept defeat to Trump. He will use force of will, with Chutkin’s support, to make a trial happen.
AdLib37 minutes ago
Ad you make good points about the polls, But far too many people believe them because they don’t truly understand how they work and they’re a snapshot in time and but the time they are posted things have change a whole lot.
twilson117
36 minutes ago
CL – Great point, Lara Trump controlling the RNC is a death knell to downticket Repub wins.
AdLib36 minutes ago
One thing about money, Murph. Turns out that the megabosses don’t all dislike Biden. There is much to be said for stability over the roller coaster of rapacious greed that can crash and burn. The rise in the stock market is mostly in INDUSTRIALS thanks to infrastructure. The day of the FIANANCE capitalist is waning. This is important. Biden represents stability, predictable returns. It has many historic roots where the magnates of industry moved away from the freebooters to the center.
choicelady
35 minutes ago
Ad was watching MSNBC the person who is heading up the RNC is the same person who smeared Kerry with the Swift Boat lies.
twilson117
35 minutes ago
CL – Seconding all your points about how Biden, Schumer, and the Dems are fed up with Netanyahu and the mass murder of innocent Palestinians.
AdLib34 minutes ago
Ad I agree that the path the Dems need to follows the one you lay out and that if that path is followed with success the results will me an immense alteration of the political and social structure…something the monied classes will do anything to stop…..they cannot allow the changes you refer to into the world of power.
MurphTheSurf3
33 minutes ago
There is a mythic “wildcatter” notion about capital – that today is Musk. But he’s losing hugely because he’s a terrible manager. Everyone sees that in the industries he owns, and they are moving toward far greater stability letting him crash and burn (along with his cars).
choicelady
33 minutes ago
Naziyahoo is a war criminal. He continues the slaughter to keep his own ass out of prison.
Harleigh
33 minutes ago
Harleigh – 78% of Israelis want him and his rigid rabbinical right supporters GONE.
choicelady
31 minutes ago
CL…your argument is compelling…..I live in fear of the power of relentless money making that seems to have no great goal than the amassing of gold.
MurphTheSurf3
31 minutes ago
Netanyahu cannot survive that.
choicelady
31 minutes ago
hope you’re right cl
Harleigh
30 minutes ago
Murph the thing about big money and politics is it’s always been there. I thinking about a scene from the HBO or Showtime series Rome, where Ceaser is talking with Anthony and telling to spread some money around in the common area of Rome for that’s right votes.
twilson117
30 minutes ago
Murph – we have had that since the 1970s. The hollowing of US manufacturing for the short term quick buck was very successful – until it wasn’t. Stability has LONG TERM profitable returns, just nor spectacular ones. And after letting the freebooters run amok (mortgage crisis), capital is moving back to the stability and away from the lure of high but very shaky returns.
choicelady
29 minutes ago
TW – A huge reason polls don’t work well broadly nowadays is that there are now novel factors affecting elections that polls can’t incorporate. The Dobbs decision and IVF/Contraception/Morning After Pill threats and potential bans is energizing women who don’t usually vote. Trump Exhaustion is reducing Repub support for Trump. Even in the MI primary, when Haley had already quit the race, 26% of Repubs voted for her. Why? Becuase they don’t like Trump and wanted to make that statement. The polls are skewed for these and other special factors that polls can’t incorporate. And polls are based on the previous election similar to the current one. So they use 2020 as a guide but Roe was overturned after that and Trump’s criminal and civil trials have happened after that. Trump will lose by bigger margins than MSM polls will ever show.
AdLib29 minutes ago
TW….what strikes me is how unified the agenda of Big Money seems to be……existing as its own political entity using power structures like parties as tools. There is an international alignment of these powers.
MurphTheSurf3
28 minutes ago
TW – Didn’t know that, the Swift Boat fraudster is now the head of the RNC. That garbage BS won’t fly in 2024.
AdLib28 minutes ago
Murph – I think there’s less unity globally with capital than there had been.
choicelady
28 minutes ago
CL and Ad …. good counter points to my worried scenarios.
MurphTheSurf3
26 minutes ago
Ad – the complete collapse of assertions about Biden on ANY level have all been aired. There’s nothing to Swiftboat him on, AND there’s no money for those ads since it’s all going to Trump’s LEGAL bills. That alone makes the trials a success.
choicelady
26 minutes ago
Murph – Oh yes, there will be end-of-the-world howling by the plutocrats and millions in lobbying against them passing voting rights, Citizen United reforms, abortion rights, immigration reform, etc., but Dems have seen the country’s and their own futures at the breaking point now, they know that if they pass all of these bills the power of the plutocrats to take power will be rolled back and Dems will be safe.
AdLib25 minutes ago
Murph – I urge you to take a long weekend in Chicago and talk to pols there. Pritzker is adored, and I can’t ever recall THAT happening when I lived there. The Dems are in array, and I think you need to get out with optimists who are not surrounded daily with MAGA.
choicelady
25 minutes ago
Whatley has been nailing the RNC coffin by asking people if they are better off now than 4 years ago. what a moron.
Harleigh
24 minutes ago
Ad – following up on my travel plans for Murph, note that Pritzker, an AMAZING governor, is rich as anything and a DEM. Things are changing.
choicelady
24 minutes ago
Harleigh I saw that, talk about being out of touch. Wow
twilson117
24 minutes ago
Harleigh – yes, we’re better off. No more bodies in freezer trucks and mass graves. Yup. Better!
choicelady
23 minutes ago
Illinois is not the locus of my worry…..the electoral college, the structure of the national legislature were established to instutionalize government by the few over the many and money is what greases the gears intuit machine.
MurphTheSurf3
23 minutes ago
Murph – no, that was not my point. It is to get some fresh air and different conversations, different viewpoints.
choicelady
22 minutes ago
CL – A very important point you make, that Trump’s syphoning off of money from the GOP/RNC to legal bills and judgements will leave Repubs and Trump without much in their war chests for the campaign this year. Dems will have a huge financial advantage on top of representing where the vast majority is on all the issues.
AdLib22 minutes ago
Murph the sad thing money has always been a problem in elections. The candidates need it to run and the backers want something for their investment. How does one run a campaign today without it and not being co-opt by it.
twilson117
21 minutes ago
But Murph – we got Obama, we were close with Hillary, and Biden has his own base far, far bigger than Trump’s. It’s not politics or money as usual now.
choicelady
21 minutes ago
cl hope so
Harleigh
20 minutes ago
Ad Trump has a long history of getting other people to pay his bills.
twilson117
19 minutes ago
An article at The Hill said that over 30 Repubs wrote a letter to Johnson that he needs to bring the Senate Ukraine bill to a vote and Johnson has now flip-flopped and said The House will now put together a “lend/lease” funding bill for Ukraine that still strays from The Senate bill. Johnson is proving to be more feckless than even Kevin McCarthy!
AdLib19 minutes ago
TW – on a state level, our wonderful Old Guard said they took a lot of corporate money (from people, not the corporations) and told them to go eff themselves on any given issue. And still they came to support these folks – liberal, making real change, progressive. There are ways to do it that require the candidate to have a spine. And our folks did. EVERY YEAR Sheila Kuehl took her $2500 from the Payday lenders. And every year she vote against them. And still they came.
choicelady
19 minutes ago
Spanky is gonna have to sell a lot of his shit
Harleigh
18 minutes ago
CL…..I think Obama’s win set in motion the mess we are now living with….in a fair contest progressive victories like the Obama presidency would have accelerated progressive social change…..but the other side is working tirelessly and at whatever cost is required to turn all of that on its head…..they know that this is a fight to the death….
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
Murph – well, of course it did. But the RW did not long succeed because at its core it’s weak and corrupt. WE aren’t defeating it so much as it’s committing suicide. Our job is to keep that going.
choicelady
17 minutes ago
Murph, hopefully the deaths of the telebangicals
Harleigh
17 minutes ago
Harleigh – Leticia James is champing at the bit to seize Trump’s properties in two weeks when the decision is supposed to be execurted. I hope she does just that!
AdLib16 minutes ago
NEVER underestimate the power of social media for revealing the truth. It’s making a difference.
choicelady
16 minutes ago
Murph – the telebangicals are losing support rapidly. Pretty soon they’ll have to sell their many private planes on E Bay.
choicelady
15 minutes ago
CL…and social media is also very good are befuddling and misleading.
MurphTheSurf3
15 minutes ago
Ad – NOBODY stops AG James. I can’t wait!
choicelady
15 minutes ago
cl hope so
Harleigh
15 minutes ago
Murph when Obama said that Citizens United was wrong I didn’t realize at the time how true that would be.
twilson117
15 minutes ago
tl – most of us didn’t either
Harleigh
14 minutes ago
CL – To add to your quote, “No one stops Leticia James, War Crimes Prosecutor Jack Smith, or a fuming Fani WIllis.
AdLib14 minutes ago
CL we’re going to have to be very vigilant around social media especially with what some folks are doing with AI.
twilson117
14 minutes ago
Murph – I watched Black women use social media to totally stop Tara Read in her tracks. They did HUGE research, showed photos of where the accusation was to have occurred, targeted idiots such as Chris Hayes, and absolutely got proof out there. Sure it can mislead and befuddle – but in the hands of competent people, it’s the thing you cannot unsee, cannot ignore.
choicelady
13 minutes ago
TW – AI is definitely scary.
choicelady
13 minutes ago
Side step a bit….the SCOTUS was identified by the Monied Powers as the key to control of the forces that shape government and law in the Obama Years and., I think, they set about creating an engine that would create fortress court that could take on the forces seeking progress….they are also massively in support of the electoral college structure and of the oddly out of step power of states to over-rule federal priorities….all of it leads to splintered governance which is a goal.
MurphTheSurf3
12 minutes ago
Have you seen the photos – AI generated – of Trump with happy Black people around him? I hope someone recognizes the Black people and they sue his ass.
choicelady
12 minutes ago
CL did you know that I am one of the few persons with a penis that Tara Reed didn’t accuse of sexual assault?? LMAO
Harleigh
11 minutes ago
Harleigh – I knew your name wasn’t on her list! Good on you, Ad, Murph.
choicelady
11 minutes ago
CL the ending of Ex Machina scared the crap out of me as she was looking at the walk , don’t walk sign. I know it was fiction and I know we’re still a ways off from what was in that movie but we’re getting closer every day.
twilson117
10 minutes ago
She didn’t accuse my husband either. All good.
choicelady
10 minutes ago
cl hahahaha
Harleigh
10 minutes ago
Trump and the MSM rooting for him may think he’s escaping criminal prosecution but they are all wrong. Wishful thinking and ignorance of the commitment that Jack Smith, Leticia James, Judge Chutkin, and Fani WIllis have to prosecuting him before the election is self-delusion. Fani Willis just experienced an attempted murder of her career by Trump, if anyone thinks she’s not whipped up to take him down now, they don’t know what a strong woman is all about.
AdLib10 minutes ago
Friends I must be away…tomorrow is dedicated to Kunce…..who cannot seem to get past his :not enough” support no matter what we do….still time, but worried.
MurphTheSurf3
10 minutes ago
See you all next week.
MurphTheSurf3
9 minutes ago
Murph good seeing you tonight.
twilson117
9 minutes ago
Murph – sorry to hear that about Kunce. I hope your ties to the Black community might jog people into being more proactive for him. I’d really like him to win. I will send more money soon.
choicelady
9 minutes ago
Take care, Murph – see you soon.
choicelady
8 minutes ago
later murph
Harleigh
8 minutes ago
Keep up the good work Murph. Kunce deserves that seat and to beat that weasel.
AdLib8 minutes ago
thanks to one and all……thanks choice for the support for Kunce…..he is such a fine man….outstanding really and he has clearly been identified by the powerful as a threat.
MurphTheSurf3
8 minutes ago
I think this new 30 day delay for the Bragg trial is the last one and Trump’s first criminal trial will begin in April.
AdLib7 minutes ago
Well, let’s get DNC to fund the state apparatus better so you can do ads. They were great at the beginning, and they should be great now. He’s WAY better than Hot Foot Hawley.
choicelady
7 minutes ago
Ad – from your lips to whoever is listening’s ear.
choicelady
6 minutes ago
hawley is a coward and a klown
Harleigh
6 minutes ago
Harleigh – absolutely correct about ol’ Josh.
choicelady
6 minutes ago
Also in April, the SCOTUS hears arguments in the Trump declaration that he is immune from any prosecution. Even if they delay a decision until the end of the session in June, I think that trial begins by August and ends in late October, just before Election Day.
AdLib5 minutes ago
Ad it seems to me the SDNY has some explaining to do about the doc dump when it was asked for by Brag a year ago.
twilson117
5 minutes ago
Well, dear friends, I think I need to move on. Cats are hungry, and you know the old saying: if the cats aren’t happy, NOBODY’s happy. See you all next week!
choicelady
5 minutes ago
night cl
Harleigh
4 minutes ago
CL take care.
twilson117
4 minutes ago
TW – remember SDNY is a cesspool of corruption. That is the starting point. G’night all!
choicelady
4 minutes ago
I’m gonna go to bed folks. later
Harleigh
4 minutes ago
Take care Harliegh
twilson117
3 minutes ago
TW – SDNY is where so much pro-Trump (and Russia funded) corruption came from in 2016 and even recently. Not surprising they undermined the Bragg prosecution but this was their last trick. Their bag of tricks is empty now.
AdLib3 minutes ago
Well it’s mean an you. You clean the sink, I’ll clean the bar.
twilson117
3 minutes ago
TW – And we can drink up all the unfinished drinks!
AdLib2 minutes ago
Why the hell not.
twilson117
2 minutes ago
I’ll call in a min
twilson117
2 minutes ago
Won’t be able to chat tonight, have to let my wife rest/sleep now, she’s beat. Catch up with you later!
AdLiba minute ago
No problem, will see you next week.
twilson117
a minute ago
Sounds good! Have a great weekend!
AdLiba few seconds ago
You as well take care.
twilson117
a few seconds ago
WIll do!
AdLiba few seconds ago
Nite!
AdLiba few seconds ago
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]]>AdLib3 hours ago
Hey PPO!
AdLib2 hours ago
Hi Ad, just checking in for 7.pm see u then
pinkpantheroz
2 hours ago
See you then!
AdLib2 hours ago
Go Joe! GReat SOTU speech. MAGAs in panic.
pinkpantheroz
2 hours ago
Absolutely!
AdLib2 hours ago
Biden destroyed the “feeble” meme.
AdLib2 hours ago
And the lemon-sucking Speaker! Pathetic response as well from a nobody.
pinkpantheroz
2 hours ago
Hey glenn!
AdLib2 hours ago
Hi TW!
AdLib2 hours ago
Glenn, TW! Hi
pinkpantheroz
2 hours ago
Good evening everyone PPO Glenn good to see you
twilson117
2 hours ago
Johnson was wincing and nodding all night. So amusing. And MTG got burned.
AdLib2 hours ago
How are you doing, glenn?
pinkpantheroz
2 hours ago
Good evening AD And PPO And TW. Best line of the night I know you know how to read. Uncle Joe just killed it.
glenn
2 hours ago
I’m doing all right. Same old same old.
glenn
an hour ago
And the Stepford Wife who gave the GOP response was so awful, even Repubs attacked her.
AdLiban hour ago
Hey Murph!
AdLiban hour ago
Murph is iin the house
twilson117
an hour ago
By the way, Today (Sat) tomorrow nd Monday will be 104 F ! Hot!
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
How are you all doing?
glenn
an hour ago
Murph!
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
Hello ….all…..Glenn…where’d ja go.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Will you be on the ocean, PPO?
AdLiban hour ago
Hey, hey the gang’s all here!
choicelady
an hour ago
cl XXX
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
Hey Murph!
glenn
an hour ago
Hey CL!
AdLiban hour ago
CL is in the house we have a full crowd Yahoo!!
twilson117
an hour ago
Hey PPPO….TW….Ad….Choice……
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Great turnout tonight!
AdLiban hour ago
LOVELY to see everyone!
choicelady
an hour ago
Hey CL
glenn
an hour ago
Hi PPO – how are you?
choicelady
an hour ago
But we lost Glenn!!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
GLENN is here!
choicelady
an hour ago
I am fine, glenn. How are YOU?
choicelady
an hour ago
I guess there is nothing like a fire up and ready to go Biden to bring everyone out.
twilson117
an hour ago
The SOTU was BLAZING last night!
choicelady
an hour ago
:
glenn
an hour ago
I was sceduled to be in the Race Control Tower, but it is too hot, so they cancelled today’s race. Sitting in Air conditioned comfort for 30 more minutes!
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
CL yes he was.
twilson117
an hour ago
PPO – what IS your temp there?
choicelady
an hour ago
I am here Murph. Can you hear me now?
glenn
an hour ago
39 Degrees C for next 3 days!
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
PPO – I trust your new digs are air conditioned, yes?
choicelady
an hour ago
Trump and the Repubsare are freaking out that Biden blew up their propaganda about him. And the CNN poll showed a 64% approval of the speech and a huge boost to 62% approval afterwards.
AdLiban hour ago
PPO – I do Celsius – OMG!
choicelady
an hour ago
Yes, DG. New pad has air.
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
CL I’m hanging in there. Same old same old
glenn
an hour ago
PPO – Why only 30 min in the A/C?
AdLiban hour ago
glenn – I am so glad. LOVELY to see you.
choicelady
an hour ago
Gotta deliver charity stuff.
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
Trump got a crony to put up a $91 million bond for him but Carroll can contest it.
AdLiban hour ago
CL thanks. I’m glad I feel good enough to be here tonight.
glenn
an hour ago
PPO – Very cool! But only for 30 min!
AdLiban hour ago
Ad Trump up to his normal ways get someone else to ball his fat ass out of trouble
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – it was Chubb Insurance that has offices in Russia. Not thinking this will fly with the overseer.
choicelady
an hour ago
glenn – we’re glad, too.
choicelady
an hour ago
Chubb – very suspicious. Can be appealed, and hope it is.
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
Glenn good to see you
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – Trump appointed a top exec at Chubb to something while in the WH so he “owes” Trump.
AdLiban hour ago
PPO – with Trump there’s always something. Gilda Radner defined the meaning of life.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – yes, the Chubb guy was on some kind of economic commission. Probably part of the billionaire tax cut.
choicelady
an hour ago
And Carroll can object, considering it’s not Trump’s money and if he defaults, it’s Chubb who pays her.
AdLiban hour ago
CL don’t know much about Chub Insurance, sounds like they’re a bit on the shady side would that be correct?
twilson117
an hour ago
TW yeah ain’t that the truth? Big fat lying bully never pays for anything. I hope that Caroll will appeal it.
glenn
an hour ago
TW – Chubb is an old firm I ran into during the 70s as major insurers of the nuclear energy installations. BIG, old firm. Not any more shady than any other.]
choicelady
an hour ago
There was a “call out to assemble” among the Trump Cadre to gather at an open knoll in a heavily traveled are,,,,,,to “show the colors”….usually gets a couple score….today….four people, four.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – Chubb’s a big and older insurance firm. Still, Trump greased the exec with an appointment and now is getting money back,
AdLiban hour ago
Thanks TW. I’m glad to be here.
glenn
an hour ago
Murph – LOL. FOUR? A whole FOUR???
choicelady
an hour ago
The troops were disheartened it would seem.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph are you saying the shine is dimming of the Trump supporters in your area?
twilson117
an hour ago
I’m beginning to get the impression that the MAGA base is starting to wake up. Hopefully this will spread.
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
PPO I agree with you
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – But knowing MAGAs are liars and can’t count, they probably told everyone it was 40,000.
AdLiban hour ago
TW…it comes and goes.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Do we dare hope this was a turning point for MSM who now cannot logically claim Biden is impaired?
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph well according to Trump for people would be a huge crowd!
glenn
an hour ago
CL so Chubb is an old firm well not sure to make of that
twilson117
an hour ago
glenn – since in Murph’s town it rivals the 2017 inauguration in DC, yeah – they will drag out the sharpies and enlarge the crowd w stick figures.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph let’s hope it goes and goes far far away.
twilson117
an hour ago
Should say four people
glenn
an hour ago
TW – Chubb has always backed problematic clients.
choicelady
an hour ago
PPO – Lots of anecdotal evidence that MAGAs have grown weary of giving their money and time to Trump and his act. Murph pointed out some of them have lost contact with family members who have disowned them since they went MAGA. Maybe that’s weighing on them too.
AdLiban hour ago
I have already shared with a few folks here how the speech last night has resulted in one of my former associates who slept rather nastily with me several years back over Trump….wrote me a nice note and ask to meet and chat….so stunned was he by the speech.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL interesting sounds shady to me
twilson117
an hour ago
Did anyone else see granite-faced Melanoma doing her contracted meeting with the Hungarian President? Put Easter Island statues to shame
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
CL – Agreed, the “feeble” meme is now dead and Trump and Repubs are panicking.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph have to say that was really interesting.
twilson117
an hour ago
As much hatred as Trump walks around with, Melania may have him beat. She is a horrible human being.
AdLiban hour ago
I loved that Biden was one of the last people left In the chamber last night…reminded me of his practice of holding open office hours on the train to and from DC and Delaware……as long as there was someone wanting to chat, the door was open.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – Chubb gets rich off covering high risk ventures. People pay premium prices for coverage AT ALL when other, reasonable, companies will not. They build “risk pools” with very LITTLE companies to share the load and everyone gets rich. They’re the kinds of companies that will insure chemical trains as in E. Palestine, OH. There is a high risk market. Chubb leads it.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL can the Trump folks even draw stick figures they can be complicated to do.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad I’m really not sure that that ant AD really not sure that anecdotal evidence will translate into votes for Biden.
glenn
an hour ago
PPO – Melania is not a happy woman.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.
choicelady
an hour ago
Our best hope is that they stay home.
glenn
an hour ago
CL, yes I reckon the premium for that bond woll be in the 10 million range.
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
CL…despite the millions she rakes in every year for just saying with him.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL you’ve just given me the true definition a carpertbager
twilson117
an hour ago
PPO – that’s why Chubb does it – $10M is chump change.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – yup.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph perhaps you’ll be able to talk some sense into him. I know you can be very persuasive when you want to be. And the good news is that facts are on your side.
glenn
an hour ago
CL well Trump is know for finding those who are kissing cousins to pond scum.
twilson117
an hour ago
glenn…he was at a trump bar last night.and his eyes were opened to how really awful his fellow trumpsters are
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph as to your friend, that was quite an admission on his part.
twilson117
an hour ago
glenn – I think there is about 5% – 15% of Repubs who won’t vote for Trump and that is death to his campaign. Those who just won’t vote for him or Biden, those who vote 3rd party and those who will vote for Biden. Dems are maybe 97% behind Biden (the purist lefites may protest vote against him or not vote).
AdLiban hour ago
glenn and all – Murph knows how I see him. A man of solid principle who is kind to his community members whoever they are. He has an unerring sense of speaking truth without insult, shaming, or denunciation. That’s worth gold in today’s harsh times. He will do well with this man.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW…he reached out to his kids, who are grown, and who had the audacity to question their father’s blood loyalty to the Orange Man.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
AD I agree about Melania I swear to god that woman has some thing sticking up her ass that is just bothering her. And even when she smiles I don’t think she’s pretty.
glenn
an hour ago
Thank you so very, very much Choice….I am truly edified when persons like yourself and our community members are so affirming.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph well that’s what we do when we grow up. Don’t know why parents don’t get that when we taught them to be that way.
twilson117
an hour ago
That’s interesting about Chubb. Leave it to the lying bully to find a shady company to back him.
glenn
an hour ago
Glenn I think he has shady companies on speed dial.
twilson117
an hour ago
glenn,, they ain’t doing it for love!
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
Murph that’s good news that your friend is finally seeing the light.
glenn
an hour ago
TW…I knew this “kids”….they had a dad who was wise until his association with MAGA soured h is brain.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Now, as to the Jack Smith cases against Trump, I have a proposition. Smith is brilliant, I could imagine him splitting up the charges against Trump to prosecute the worst charge before the election and the others to follow. Doing so, he can slash the amount of time for prep and trial time and assure Trump is prosecuted for the main 1/6 charge before the election. He can then include all of the unnamed conspirators for Part Two of prosecutions. No way Smith lets Trump escape prosecution before the election.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph, it is nice to know that a former pal is reaching out. Knowing you, you will welcome it.
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
Glenn…I do hope so…for him….he is a good guy al though we often disagreed there was no animosity until he was Magnetized.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
AD I hope you’re right about the number of Republicans who won’t vote for the lying bully. Do you think that Biden will be able to bring any Hailey voters to his side?
glenn
an hour ago
Murph that is the weird thing about Trump supporters and those who follow him he’s like the pied pipper.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph maybe if your friend hears it from enough people like his kids and you he will be reasonable.
glenn
an hour ago
glenn – I think Melania has the hardness and selfishness of a woman who’s been in the sex trade pre-Trump and a golddigger since. All about taking and selfishness, how else could she be a match for Trump?
AdLiban hour ago
PP)…thank you….I will try to be kind….but I have a lot of anger and resentment in my craw over. his behavior …..he was a crucial figure in the dissembling of the Co-Op…. still….he seems sincere.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Sorry to have to leave early. Next week will be Summer time, yes? I hope to see you all then. Working on my July dates. Cheerio
pinkpantheroz
an hour ago
Cheers PPO…. good sailing.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – I learned, over the years, that even Lefties have covert racist tropes they savor and believe. Trump unleashed them on the Right and Bernie did it on the Left. They offer followers the “right to be asshats” without impunity. It’s very liberating for the asshats.
choicelady
an hour ago
Good night PPO nice chatting with you
glenn
an hour ago
PPO – have fun! Stay cool!
choicelady
an hour ago
glenn – Absolutely, I do think many Haley voters will vote Biden. Anecdotal evidence of a variety I’ve seen on the news and online saying they would.
AdLiban hour ago
Seeya PPO!
AdLiban hour ago
AD good point about Melania being in the sex trade. That does explain a lot.
glenn
an hour ago
PPO take care
twilson117
an hour ago
glenn – It all fits together with her and knowing Trump has a thing for sex workers, ask Stormy Daniels about that.
AdLiban hour ago
So, check out my Jack Smith theory above, what do you think?
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – to be TOTALLY fair to Stormy, she’s a porn star not a sex worker.
choicelady
an hour ago
Hey….I just got an e mail with an image……it shows a yard and had this question “what’s missing”? Then a followup e mail popped in with a photo of the s are yard festooned with MAGA flags…flags missing in the later photo……the message read…..The flags will not FLY…they will FALL.”
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
AD I do hope that anecdotal evidence turns into real action. I do know that people say one thing and do another especially Republicans.
glenn
an hour ago
Ad – I think I read Smith is following your train of assessment.
choicelady
an hour ago
AND…in a week, the Fani Willis case against Trump et all will be back on track and you know she will pour her fury at him and his lawyers into pushing this case forward before the election.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – Twitter stories all over the country are of rabid followers who now are no longer following him.
choicelady
an hour ago
AD yeah we already know how stormy feels about that.
glenn
an hour ago
CL…..do tell.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – What’s the difference between a porn star who has sex for money and a sex worker? Stormy slept with Trump for money, didn’t she?
AdLiban hour ago
Last time I was in OH the yards w Trump signs were bare. People who’d been all in since 2015 now have NO signs at all.
choicelady
an hour ago
AD I like your jack Smith theory. But with that one judge that’s on the lying bullies payroll it seems don’t know if you’ll be able to get it done before the election. Sorry I can’t remember the judges name right now
glenn
an hour ago
Ad – I don’t think she took money from Trump. He paid her for her silence LATER. Not then.
choicelady
an hour ago
glenn – All of the Repubs who say they won’t vote for Trump may not keep their word but if even 5% of Repubs don’t vote for him, he will get crushed.
AdLiban hour ago
Sorry for that last garbled post. Don’t know if Jack Smith will be able to get anything done before the election because of that judge that’s in the lying bully’s pocket.
glenn
an hour ago
Glenn…is that Cannon.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
AD that is my fondest hope. That the lying bully gets crushed so bad that even his cronies cannot say that the election was rigged. Because you know that’s coming
glenn
an hour ago
glenn – The 1/6 judge, Judge Chutkin would be the one involved and she has little patience for Trump. The docs case in FL has Cannon as the judge and she is doing her best to stall. But the 1/6 case won’t be stalled once the SCOTUS admits Trump can’t have immunity for all crimes.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad to borrow from Conan the Barbarian, I want to see Trump crushed, she all his MAGA supporters driven before me and hear their lamentations
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph that’s the one.
glenn
an hour ago
TW I like your con in scenario
glenn
an hour ago
Glenn it serves multiple purposes.
twilson117
an hour ago
BY the way….I loved VP Harris’ presence during SOTU last night…she literally had his back.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
glenn – My bet is that Trump will be found guilty in the Campaign Fraud case that starts this month then the GA case and maybe a slimmed down 1/6 case. Not counting on the Cannon docs case but that could happen. He will be a convicted criminal 3 times over at least before the election.
AdLiban hour ago
Well Trump has been endorsed by Orban….what can go wrong?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Did you see how MVP Harris gave Johnson the side eye several times.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW- Love it!
AdLiban hour ago
AD yes I hope the cases just keep rolling along and the lying bully is found guilty in all of them.
glenn
an hour ago
CL…I did, I did.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – I thought Kamala looked very presidential as VP last night.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph for such an an ole man he seemed pretty spry to me and took it all the idiot repugs that were sitting on their hands last night and the response, I don’t know what in God’s name that was suppose to be.
twilson117
an hour ago
Listen – I think Trump should depart before his plan is confiscated and head to Brunei. The Sultan is an autocrat, they know each other, both adore riches, and he could do MAL Pacific with NO trouble.
choicelady
an hour ago
Well all I am about running out of steam. It was so good to chat with all of you tonight. Hopefully I’ll be able to make it again next week.
glenn
an hour ago
Murph – Don’t think Trump being endorsed by a dictator is going to help bring the indie and Biden voters he needs to come over.to him.
AdLiban hour ago
I found the Speaker’s efforts to find an appropriate response painful.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Lovely to see you, glenn. Soon again I hope? Hugs to you.
choicelady
an hour ago
Green…..how is your health……
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I think of you often, Glenn.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – My prediction is that after Trump loses, he runs away to Brunei, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Hungary, etc. Maybe that was what he was arranging with Orban?
AdLiban hour ago
Murph his expressions went from pain, to great pain, to extreme pain as he knew everything Uncle Joe was saying was true. I have a feeling he is asking his God is this job worth it.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph my health is about the same. I go to dialysis three times a week and usually takes me the rest of the day to recover. But on the days I don’t go to dialysis I feel pretty good. Thanks for asking. I think of you all often too and I always read the archives the next morning when I haven’t been able to make it to Vox. I always love your discussions
glenn
an hour ago
Murph – I think Johnson’s Oval Office meeting was a horrible eye opener for Johnson. He was treated well, he liked Biden and Harris who were kind, and now he’s stuck in a moral cesspit – good guys he opposes, and bad guys he supports. I saw close ups that made me think he was asking God for deliverance. Like NOW. From this morass.
choicelady
an hour ago
glenn – I’m so happy that you made it tonight!
AdLiban hour ago
Good night all
glenn
an hour ago
Glenn good to see you here.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – Johnson looked like a baby that has gas.
AdLiban hour ago
Glenn…you have the right stuff….for sure….strong and serene, accepting and courageous. So much to be admired.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Good night, glenn!
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad nice way to put it. I did see him clapping on the slide.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL…johson’s political philosophy is painfully naive…..he tens to see things from the perspective of a religious zealot…absolute good and evil.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL- Not sure I agree that Johnson has a conscience. He’s said and done some pretty awful things and supports Dominionist takeover of our democracy.
AdLiban hour ago
TW…I wonder if some of that pain was frustration…he seemed as if he wanted to react positively a number of times but was chained to his chair.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – when zealots discover the “others” are decent people, it’s a major existential crisis for them.
choicelady
an hour ago
Johnson is a Christo-fascist. Not a lot of redeeming qualities in those types.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph as I aways say when you interject religion into your politics you’re just asking for conflict. Well, I don’t always say that but it’s a lot better than what I really want to say about Johnson and keep it clean.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW…LOL……
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW. FOTFLMAO.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – I doubt Biden and Harris were the first “non-fundies” he’s ever met. I just think he’s totally overwhelmed as Speaker, has no control and just walks around helpless.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – when someone lives, as Johnson has, entirely in the bosom of the faith, suddenly discovering there are GREAT differences among people from what you’ve always believed is a TOTAL life changing thing. I deal with this almost daily. I am not saying Johnson will change. I do say he’s suddenly confronted for the FIRST TIME with the fact that people different from him are decent. Trust me on this – it’s life changing.
choicelady
an hour ago
Trump and MTG lead Johnson around by the nose, Biden and Harris have power and principle behind them, he’s just a loser and looks likes he knows it.
AdLib44 minutes ago
Boehner was asked by a local reporter if he had any thoughts on what has happened to the speakership….his answer….:No place for amateurs of the faint of hear.”
MurphTheSurf3
44 minutes ago
Of course they aren’t the first non fundies Johnson has met, but they ARE the most POWERFUL.
choicelady
44 minutes ago
Look at Murph’s impact on his community member.
choicelady
44 minutes ago
CL….the jury is still out….but hope springs eternal.
MurphTheSurf3
43 minutes ago
CL – But Johnson has been in the House for at least two terms, he’s dealt with principled and respectful Dems there. Biden and Harris can’t be the first ever.
AdLib43 minutes ago
You know Biden is SOOOOOO human……
MurphTheSurf3
43 minutes ago
Johnson will likely opt for power and money over kindness and compassion, but – it has changed him already. That’s obvious to those of us who deal with this all the time.
choicelady
43 minutes ago
Ad – Johnson never met Biden or Harris in person, one to one, before this meeting.
choicelady
42 minutes ago
CL – But as I mentioned, I don’t think Johnson really has any power. He’s dominated by Trump and the MAGAs in The House. He’s just a hapless fool.
AdLib42 minutes ago
CL what you’re saying about Johnson almost sounds like he’s having a crisis of faith, oh I whish I could say I felt bad for him, but forgive me I don’t he made his choice and now he has to live with it. I would say he is in Hell, but the Devil kicked him up to the other place between heaven and hell.
twilson117
41 minutes ago
oh, I agree he has no real power. I’m looking at him as a person. He got gobsmacked by liking Biden and Harris.
choicelady
41 minutes ago
CL and TW – It would be amazing if a fundie like Johnson suddenly found out that what he’s believed all these years about Dems being evil servants of Satan were lies.
AdLib40 minutes ago
Ad they are lies and he knows it.
twilson117
40 minutes ago
TW – he will have to make his peace. Decency on earth or fantasy about heaven? Power and acceptance by MAGA, or begin unravelling the MAGA snare? We will see. My money’s on his weak capitulation to MAGA, but last night…he wasn’t so sure.
choicelady
39 minutes ago
Do you think SNL will open with a parody of Britt’s speech?
AdLib39 minutes ago
CL he has a long way to go.
twilson117
38 minutes ago
Ad – if SNL doesn’t they’re fools.
choicelady
38 minutes ago
So are we confident Biden and Dems will crush the Repubs and Trump in Nov?
AdLib38 minutes ago
TW – or he has an epiphany and LEAPS into reality.
choicelady
38 minutes ago
Ad…more hopeful but not confident….people are so uninformed, ill informed and m is informed.
MurphTheSurf3
37 minutes ago
Ad – I do think so. They guy who has never predicted a presidential outcome erroneously since 1984 says Biden will win this BIG TIME unless something really exceptional happens. I don’t think he means terrorist attacks or anything.
choicelady
37 minutes ago
Repubs have nothing to run on but fear mongering about the border and now Biden and Dems can say, “You voted against fixing the border, that’s on you!”
AdLib37 minutes ago
Just got a post for Occupy Democrats that said before Biden’s speech 45% of the people polled supported Biden’s policies after the speech it went to 60%
twilson117
36 minutes ago
After last night? WAY more hopeful.
choicelady
36 minutes ago
CL – That’s good to hear. You have to qualify these things, Biden needs to stay healthy and we can’t afford a new gloobal or national disaster. Barring those, I think Biden and Dems ride a big Blue Wave.
AdLib35 minutes ago
CL you’ve been around folks like Johnson, do they really have epiphanies that change their hard core religious beliefs?
twilson117
35 minutes ago
TW – Biden’s approval leaped up to 62% after the SOTU. All such good news and damning for Trump and Repubs.
AdLib34 minutes ago
Biden performed that speech just as I had hoped, forcefully and loudly to dispel the “too old and feeble” memes. He did great!
AdLib33 minutes ago
I live in a state where two major rivers used to be freight highways….one has no barges and other other only two lanes when the first used to. have four lanes and the second had 8. Our principal water source, the aquifer has fallen 30 percent in 10 years. It never really snows when it used to snow 40 plus inches a winter on average……and hardly anyone believes in climate change.
MurphTheSurf3
33 minutes ago
Ad the folks over at Fox and et al don’t know what to do as everything they were predicting came crashing down around their fat stupid heads and they are scrambling roaches .
twilson117
33 minutes ago
And he gave as good as he got. He took shots at the hecklers that landed. He was reflexive and lively and spot on the humor not the anger.
choicelady
33 minutes ago
Murph – Do you think the Klansman-Nazi Repub candidate for Gov of MO will win?
AdLib32 minutes ago
Murph – And of course the MAGAs there blame the Dems and jewish space lasers for the drying up of water there.
AdLib31 minutes ago
Ad…..the GOP as a party is moving to neutralize him but resistance is building.
MurphTheSurf3
31 minutes ago
Murph things have really changed for your state. And Repugs haven’t done much to improve the situation over the years, but as you’ve pointed out a lot of them love the idiot Trump. Go figure.
twilson117
31 minutes ago
Murph – I never, living in IL, remember the Mighty Mississip being low save for ONE year in the early 50s. Scared me then. Terrifies me now. Hubs and I were on a Viking cruise Fall 2018, and water on the Rhine was too low for our boat. Worse now. MAGA ignores it at their OWN peril. I don’t get it.
choicelady
30 minutes ago
TW – Yep, Trump and Fox News all expected Biden to mumble and fall off the stage. Instead, he beat up the Repubs with one arm tied behind his back and smiling. Their whole strategy totally blew up!
AdLib29 minutes ago
TW…….and more changes, most bad, are right around the bend.
MurphTheSurf3
29 minutes ago
Ad yes and he’s on a roll now. Has always had the fire in the belly
twilson117
29 minutes ago
CL – That humor Biden used expressed confidence and control. The worst thing that you can do to a bully is laugh at them.
AdLib28 minutes ago
Biden is who he’s always been. Yeah a bit more soft spoken fighting the stutter, but that’s IT. Brain cells firing, activism engaged, policies clear – and humor always present. ‘
choicelady
28 minutes ago
CL….the river droughts are such an “in your face” that when they are so easily ignored I chant “there are none so blind as this who refuse to see.”
MurphTheSurf3
28 minutes ago
Murph – But how do they stop that Klansman from running? I don’t think they will be able to.
AdLib28 minutes ago
Murph yes states like yours are doubling down on DEI, denying health care, ripping schools apart with their stupid books bans, focusing on making sure everyone has as many guns as they want. It’s the Pandora box of all the nasty things, and hope is in short supply.
twilson117
27 minutes ago
Has Trump said much today about last night?
MurphTheSurf3
26 minutes ago
Murph – in 2014 I went to Omaha where my folks had lived for years and spread my mother’s ashes in the Missouri River. I fear they’re still there. Can’t accept the diminishing water levels in the West and floods in the East. I always wanted to live to be 100 just cuz. Not so sure of that anymore.
choicelady
25 minutes ago
Murph I think Trump was too busy kissing Orban’s backside.
twilson117
25 minutes ago
Ad….the GOP here have made it so easy for the ultras to run for office that all they can do is go to court……a pretty weak case from what I can see.
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
Murph – I don’t see MAGAs avoiding their lemming mentality, they will follow the anti-climate-change corporate propaganda right off the cliff into total and unsurvivable drought.
AdLib24 minutes ago
Murph – Oh, YEAH Trump has blow up the internet with his screeching! All over the map about how Biden is a psycho, and HE, Trump, is the funny, gentle soul not Biden. It’s bizarre.
choicelady
24 minutes ago
TW…..the area where I live is losing talented teachers, administrators rapidly……such is the result when educators are seen as the enemy and treated as such.
MurphTheSurf3
23 minutes ago
CL…ah….it is not being covered it seems….blow up, you say?
MurphTheSurf3
23 minutes ago
CL it seems to me when your opponent is trying to make themselves out to be what you demonstrated, it’s admission they know they lost. Am I right on that?
twilson117
23 minutes ago
Murph – when I was young, MO was considered pretty backwards. Then it flourished, and now it’s backward. Sorry.
choicelady
23 minutes ago
Ad…..lemmings at least have their senseless instincts as an excuse….what is the GOP’s
MurphTheSurf3
22 minutes ago
TW – That’s what I’m saying too. The MAGAs will be fiddling with culture war insanity as their home states burn down. Destroyed by Climate Change but at least saved from DEI.
AdLib22 minutes ago
Murph – he could not access Truth Social at ALL last night. The company HE owns! So on Twitter he ran amok today with attacks on Dems, Biden, the world, etc. He’s lost it.
choicelady
22 minutes ago
Ad – Well, just so they’re white as they drown and die of thirst simultaneously.
choicelady
21 minutes ago
CL…missed it all…well, I did not miss it, I just never saw it.
MurphTheSurf3
21 minutes ago
Murph – How can they use the courts to prevent someone from running for office?
AdLib21 minutes ago
Murph – I am addicted to Twitter. That’s where I saw it. You, wisely, are not. Explains your greater capacity for rational thought.’
choicelady
20 minutes ago
Ad….they are trying to keep him from running under the GOP banner…as a party member.
MurphTheSurf3
20 minutes ago
CL……you are among the most rational thinkers I have ever known.
MurphTheSurf3
20 minutes ago
Murph I’ve visited your state twice, once for a conference another for a some training came out one night it was dusk and the sun was setting, one of the most beautiful sights I’ve ever seen so I can understand the draw. Just never thought the people were the way they are.
twilson117
19 minutes ago
Murph – it’s a front.
choicelady
19 minutes ago
Murph – We’ve discussed that this would happen, teachers, young people who are tolerant, LGBTQ, immigrants, PoC, and especially women will be evacuating red states along with corporations that want to be able to hire the best talent. It is slowly gaining steam and will get to be a bigger and bigger issue.
AdLib19 minutes ago
TW…many good people here with warped sensibilities.
MurphTheSurf3
19 minutes ago
CL……Front, Back and Sides. You are the real thing.
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
Ad….I think your projected scenario is coming to pass.
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
TW – my grandmother’s family were progressives and abolitionists from IL. My grandfather was from Albany, Gentry Co. MO. He turned out to be a racists, anti Semite, America First person. MO has a long history of regressive politics and people. And then every now and then, good ones.
choicelady
17 minutes ago
Murph – That seems pretty corrupt. And wouldn’t it turn a lot of MAGAs against the GOP? They want the Klansman.
AdLib17 minutes ago
Murph- thank you! I hope you know I think and feel the same about you!
choicelady
17 minutes ago
CL…and Truman was not really one of them…..much over-rated and over-appreciated.
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
Ad…you nearly summarize the mousetrap.
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
Most welcome Cl and my thanks to you…….I so value our connection.
MurphTheSurf3
15 minutes ago
Murph – I don’t know much about Truman, frankly. I do know he desegregated the military – good, and tries to national the steel industry, probably well meant but stupid. And that is pretty much it.
choicelady
15 minutes ago
It’s so absurd that the states that are the poorest, least educated, least insured, least economically successful have been run by Repubs for decades and yet the voters keep electing them to continue destroying their state and their lives.
AdLib14 minutes ago
‘Likewise, Murph!
choicelady
14 minutes ago
CL sadly people have problems with those who do not display sheep like behavior and want to think for themselves and ask what they consider hard questions, that for them questions their beliefs or would cause them to think.
twilson117
14 minutes ago
CL…..Truman spent much of his time in office in the shadow of FDR which led to a lot of ill considered action.
MurphTheSurf3
13 minutes ago
Ad – you go to those Red states, and dirt poor people will tell you they support the GOP because “those” people “don’t get summpin we din have.”
choicelady
13 minutes ago
It seems like tribalism will nearly always win out over self-interest.
AdLib13 minutes ago
Murph – I can see how that would be.
choicelady
12 minutes ago
Ad it is tribalism.
twilson117
12 minutes ago
CL – Tribalism and ignorance are quite a deadly combo.
AdLib12 minutes ago
My dear friends…falling asleep at the computer…..going to a meeting of the Kunce campaign crowd in the AM to consider how to pivot off of SOTU.
MurphTheSurf3
12 minutes ago
Tribalism is EXACTLY why the Religious Right favor the OLD Testament and shun the New. They love that SMITING. Love and inclusion? Wussy liberal shit.
choicelady
11 minutes ago
Good night, Murph. Love you! Have a good weekend.
choicelady
11 minutes ago
I see it as being exponential. As Red States keep restricting freedom and opportunity, greater amounts of people will flee or avoid moving there and the declinging population will worsen everything quicker.
AdLib11 minutes ago
Take care Murph
twilson117
10 minutes ago
As always look forward to next week….when are we going to find a way to have a town hall? I am a tech-trog so I cannot offer much but me…still…I would love to see US face to face.
MurphTheSurf3
10 minutes ago
I think I, too shall shuffle off to whatever. I will see you all next Friday!
choicelady
10 minutes ago
Night Murph! Get some rest and keep up the good work!
AdLib10 minutes ago
See you later, CL!
AdLib10 minutes ago
CL take care.
twilson117
10 minutes ago
I am still here.
MurphTheSurf3
9 minutes ago
Yes, Murph, I will figure it out. Take care.
AdLib9 minutes ago
Ad…brilliant you!!!!!
MurphTheSurf3
9 minutes ago
Heh!
AdLib9 minutes ago
Up for a chat, TW?
AdLib7 minutes ago
Yes will give you a call in a few.
twilson117
7 minutes ago
ok.
AdLib6 minutes ago
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]]>Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then! AdLib4 hours ago Hey TW! AdLib3 hours ago Well here we are at the end of the week and so much has happened. twilson117 3 hours ago There are no “slow weeks” in this decade. […]
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]]>AdLib4 hours ago
Hey TW!
AdLib3 hours ago
Well here we are at the end of the week and so much has happened.
twilson117
3 hours ago
There are no “slow weeks” in this decade.
AdLib3 hours ago
Did you see the Fani Willis hearing today?
AdLib3 hours ago
Hey Ad, you’re right there are no slow weeks
twilson117
3 hours ago
Not anymore.
AdLib3 hours ago
And of course Loose Cannon holds a hearing on a court date and responds…with nothing.
AdLib3 hours ago
No I did not. Caught part of it in the reviews, but I understand Trump’s lawyers star witness is s dud
twilson117
3 hours ago
Ad I think we should set up a pool to see when Smith files to have her removed.
twilson117
3 hours ago
Trump’s lawyers were so over the top and hysterical in their language without providing ANY evidence to support any of their accusations. The judge didn’t seem too thrilled with their presentation. It neded with him saying he could take up to 2 weeks to announce his decision.
AdLib3 hours ago
Cannon asked Smith in the hearing when he would make the witnesses public and he looked back at her stunned that she still asked that after he told her in his filing that she made a wrong decision on wanting to make witnesses public. That could knock her out if she decides he has to disclose them.
AdLib3 hours ago
From clips I saw it doesn’t seem to me he really needs two weeks.
twilson117
3 hours ago
This is the time I ask why God made stupid people and let them have responsible jobs like being a judge. He/She hasn’t gotten back to me yet.
twilson117
3 hours ago
I know but these judges, Garland, etc. all want to make it look like they’re not rushing to make decisions on such huge, unprecedented cases.Meanwhile, time goes by and the public is screwed as the trial dates keep getting pushed back so they may not happen before the election.
AdLib3 hours ago
We both know that is total BS
twilson117
3 hours ago
I can tell you, if that was Judge Chutkin, she would’ve come back with a decision either immediately or at worst, by Monday. She doesn’t mess around.
AdLib3 hours ago
Is there a phrase in the law about ‘with all deliberate speed? I never took that to mean slow walk every thing.
twilson117
3 hours ago
It is the foolishness of men in instuitutions who think acting in the best interest of the appearance is more important than doing the work of the institution in a timely way.
AdLib3 hours ago
And of course the wonderful quote, “Justice delayed is justice denied.”
AdLib3 hours ago
There was reason I never wanted to be a lawyer.
twilson117
3 hours ago
Justice seems to an oxymoron these days
twilson117
3 hours ago
Judges are by nature elitists. It seems like a huge portion of them care more about their and the court’s reputation in the eyes of their detractors than dellivering justice.
AdLib3 hours ago
Wondering if Murph is busy warding off the Klan in his area
twilson117
3 hours ago
Judges are elitists indeed which is why I never wanted to be a lawyer or a judge
twilson117
3 hours ago
Did you see though, MSNBC pundits mentioned what you and I discussed, Smith could narrow the 1/6 case to help Chutkin reduce the trial duration and the 88 day prep.
AdLib3 hours ago
I was getting up to that a bit behind in watching MSNBC
twilson117
3 hours ago
I saw that the leading Repub for Gov in MO casually explained and did not apologize for being an “honorary” KKK member who attended a Klan event. Is anyone surprised?
AdLib3 hours ago
I’m not. But have to admit I forgot about MO being Klan country explains a lot of why Murph gets funny looks.
twilson117
3 hours ago
And with all the anti-abortion, anti-IVF, anti-contraception garbage terrorizing women in these Red states combined with their support of fascism, book banning, open racism…how can there not be an exodus of the best and brightest from Red states. WHo would want to live in such dictatorships where everyone but white men are deemed inferior when it comes to rights?
AdLib3 hours ago
I think we may have talked about yesterday but Bobert is really getting the cold shoulder in the district she is trying to carpetbag
twilson117
3 hours ago
Explains why Murph sees a lot of white guys whose heads come to a point.
AdLib3 hours ago
that was a good one
twilson117
3 hours ago
Boebert’s son robbed a handicapped woman and posted a sex video with a minor in addition to all the criminal theft charges he was hit with. I imagine Repubs in CO recognize that the acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree.
AdLib3 hours ago
Thanks!
AdLib3 hours ago
With the anti-abortion and IVF nonsense I believe Dems will win very big just as you’re predicting
twilson117
3 hours ago
We’re going to have to put up with months of the MSM insisting the race is neck and neck and Trump is leading at times but it’s all just BS. I would bet some serious money that Biden beats Trump by more than he beat him in 2020.
AdLib3 hours ago
Bobert’s son robbed a disabled women?? What a low life.
twilson117
3 hours ago
Well they have to say something
twilson117
3 hours ago
“Rep. Lauren Boebert’s son Tyler arrested on 22 criminal charges, Colorado police say.” AND “Lauren Boebert’s son Tyler stole money that victim needed for brain surgery: court docs”
AdLib3 hours ago
Why can’t they…oh…broadcast factual news instead?
AdLib2 hours ago
Why do I get the feeling Bobert is going to blame what her son did on Bo Biden
twilson117
2 hours ago
BTW, I got a text from CL that she couldn’t make it tonight so guess we’re just waiting to see if Murph makes it.
AdLib2 hours ago
I figured CL had something to do she is working really hard to help the women out who was scammed by a lawyer.
twilson117
2 hours ago
The funny thing is, the day the news broke about her son being arrested on 22criminal charges, she posted a tweet attacking “The Biden Crime Family”. Don’t forget, she was arrested before running for Congress, her husband was for exposing himself to a minor so the Boebert family is factually, a crime family.
AdLib2 hours ago
And in other news, Hunter Biden crushed those Repub frauds in The House. And they’re supposed to have a public hearing now, that should be PPV.
AdLib2 hours ago
I was reading the news account of the hearing and from what I read it sounded like Bo handled himself pretty damn well. He took Gatz to task when Gatz asked him about his drug use.
twilson117
2 hours ago
A couple of predictions. 1. The judge in the Fani Willis case wags a finger at her but doesn’t disqualify her and the GA case will get a court date before the election. 2. Jack Smith will push Cannon and the Docs case so that either that court date is set before the election or he slims down his 1/6 case and gets Chutkin to sign off on shortening the time for prep and the length of the trial so that can be tried before Nov.
AdLib2 hours ago
He also laid MTG when she asked him if he was qualified told her about his where he went to college his background and she had nothing.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Those sound reasonable.
twilson117
2 hours ago
You mean Hunter and yes, he kicked Gaetz’s ass on that, asked him, “You really want to ask me about drug use?”
AdLib2 hours ago
MTG is crashing and burning so terribly, I would enjoy seeing Hunter in a public hearing destroy her.
AdLib2 hours ago
Yeah Gaetz is total jackass along with all the repugs on that committee waste of time and money.
twilson117
2 hours ago
MTG actually thinks Trump is considering her as running mate, Hell will freeze over and the Devil will enjoy ice skating before that happens.
twilson117
2 hours ago
These House Repubs have wasted most of their term in power, politically attacking the Dems, accomplishing the least of any House in US history and they can’t fund our national defense priorities or even agree on basic budget items. Americans see what wastes of time they are, Dems will win back the House big time this year and once in power, they should put rules in place and pass laws that handcuff Repubs from this kind of weaponization of power in the future. No more impeachment inquiries with no criminal acts committed.
AdLib2 hours ago
I heard the Comer left the Bo hearing and didn’t come back can you verify that?
twilson117
2 hours ago
To say MTG is deluded is like saying water is wet. I’m sure she thinks she’s in the running for VP but never in a million years. And once she and the other weasels are back in the minority, I hope their heads explode from losing all power and being declared losers by the American people.
AdLib2 hours ago
Cannot disagree with you on those rules for the house
twilson117
2 hours ago
No, I didn’t hear that. And you mean Hunter, not Bo.
AdLib2 hours ago
Why do we have to wait until they are back in the House can’t their heads explode now and we can be finally rid of them?
twilson117
2 hours ago
Yes Hunter
twilson117
2 hours ago
It would have been hard to have a meeting Bo but lets wait I’m sure those Repug idiots will want to charge him with something.
twilson117
2 hours ago
If Dems win full control of Congress and the WH, first they pass voting rights, abortion rights, a border/immigration bill, and expand the SCOTUS to 13 and embed rules and ethics they must follow. Phase Two should be passing bills to safeguard the WH, Congress and the courts from any Repubs trying to overthrow the country in the future. And some kind of Rocket Docket court process that requires the speedy hearing of cases involving members of government and judiciary.
AdLib2 hours ago
Heh! You said Bo again!
AdLib2 hours ago
Well, doesn’t look like anyone else is showing up. Do you want to chat?
AdLib2 hours ago
Yes I did. Because the repugs are so stupid they will try to charge his late son. Because they are stupid.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – Repubs give stupid people a bad name.
AdLib2 hours ago
Just had a thought maybe when someone says and does something stupid we should ask them are you a MAGA Repug?
twilson117
2 hours ago
Can we get Websters to add “MAGA” as a synonym for “stupid”?
AdLib2 hours ago
Do you want to talk?
AdLib2 hours ago
Yeah it looks like we’re not going to get anyone else tonight will call in a min.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Looks like. Sounds good!
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey Murph!
AdLiban hour ago
Hello there….I just got back from a really hot political meeting here…..Dems are really getting riled up about…..welll all kinds of things…..
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
That’s good to hear! What was the meeting about?
AdLiban hour ago
Hey Murph
twilson117
an hour ago
It was a Kunce meeting that was for business but developed into a wide ranging, Planet Like conversation re. the danger the nation is in.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Hi TW….I stopped to see if anyone was here and now two of my favorite folk are in the House.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
So things are getting a bit hot there in MO?
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – Very interesting! What were some of the takeaways for most people there?
AdLiban hour ago
So Murph what did the folks have to say?
twilson117
an hour ago
TW….I think that there is a fury at the base of it alll….the kind of “SHIT….we still a very good chance of losing our national identity…..”
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
So they see some of the same things we have discussed here?
twilson117
an hour ago
The decision of SCOTUS to review the outrageous position of the Trump crime syndicate that anything he did as prez is protectected lite the fuse…
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW…indeed.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I’m guess they have an issue with the IVF ruling in Alabama
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – True, we shouldn’t have to be this close to an existential threat of losing our democracy but The Founders didn’t install guardrails to keep out sociopathic criminals because never in their wildest imaginations could they envision such a person becoming president.
AdLiban hour ago
Alabama is just one of many points of anger…..McConnell’s retirement was another….he is awful and what is likely ahead is worse….
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – I think Jack Smith will work with Judge Chutkin to slim down the amount of prep needed and length of trial to make sure that Trump is tried before the election.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – Hence the urgency of electing a unified Dem Congress and re-electing Biden…THEN….kill the filibuster and pass reforms and guardrails.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad….the consensus in our crowd is that there are powerful forces at work that are going to find a way to make Trump teflon.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph I believe they’re not wrong about the powerful forces it’s those who have the money to back candidates that will do anything for a little fame and fortune.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph there is far too much dark money floating around
twilson117
an hour ago
What was Kunce saying about it all?
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – I would agree to the extent that corrupt judges in the SCOTUS and Cannon are trying their hardest but I don’t think any conspiracy is a part of that. I don’t doubt some billionaires are trying to protect Trump but if this conspiracy was real, how did Trump lose two massive civil cases already that will hobble him and is going to trial this month in his first criminal prosecution?
AdLiban hour ago
As you both know I regard the U.S. Constitutional as so fundamentally flawed as to make moments like these both likely to reoccur and potentially fatal…..an idealistic instrument that was incomplete and in its first years of operation was rendered irrecelevant by the practice of politics and governance. There is a reason why it has not been utilized as a model anywhere else in the world.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad….parts of the system can work as you point out….biut other parts have been so hobbled that a positive outcome seems unlikely.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph I agree with you regarding the constitution I’m guessing the founder thought that changes would be made to shore it up but that hasn’t happened the way it should have.
twilson117
an hour ago
I think Trump will be successfully prosecuted by Bragg and be criminally convicted by May. I also believe the attempt to throw Fani Willis off the GA case will fail and that trial will very likely take place before the election. I have no idea what will happen with the 1/6 case and the documents case but I would never underestimate Jack Smith’s smarts in getting at least one of those cases to trial before the election.
AdLiban hour ago
TW….the discussion about this at the time of the ratification was a convention every 8 years…..but that was based on the completely utopian idea of a government without entrienched factions, i.e. parties.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – Do you think the SCOTUS will declare Trump immune to criminal lawsuits? If not, Trump will be prosecuted, if not before the election, after it. And just saying, he’ll have lost the election so he won’t have any power to stop any of it from finally putting him in prison.
AdLiban hour ago
Well the Repugs what to have constitution convention to change to the way they want things and their way leads to dictatorship in my opinion.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad….I do hope you are correct….but the voting public’s ignorance makes the manipulation of the vote so destructive that authentic political intercourse has been largely derailed.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Can’t blame The Founders for assuming Americans would value the democracy that was created and want it to be better and better. They never could have imagined someone like Trump would become president and lead one of the two major parties.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph as you know so well, most folks don’t starting thinking about the issues until two weeks before election if at all.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad….I am not great admirer of the framers….the founders get much more approval from me….but the framers were as impractical and unfocused as could be…just look at the empty shell they left to define the federal judiciary.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – The best and most accurate predictor of upcoming elections are the results from recent elections. In the last 8 years, since Trump won in 2016, Dems have outperformed in every election and Repubs have underperformed. For Trump to win, he’d have to look more attractive to indie voters who voted for Biden in 2020 and being a declared rapist, financial fraud, and soon, convicted criminal ain’t gonna be as convincing as needed.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph tell me are the folks acting like this quote from the Dictators Handbook:“Those in power differ from the rest of us: they can design rules to their advantage and make it easier for them to get what they want. Understanding what people want and how they get it can go a long way to clarifying why those in power often do bad things.
twilson117
an hour ago
The failure, over and over and over again to address slavery, or the very obvious structural flaws in the governing mechanism makes it clear.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW…the dictators handbook is spot on.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph well this Paine quote should be right on then“These are the times that will try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it NOW, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered, yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.”—American Crisis, Number 1, Pane’s Collected Writings, pg 91.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad….I get your logic…..and I grant that the recent track record in elections is a positive trend but my worry is that all we need is one unimitigated disaster…..like another Trump admin and the damage could gut us.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Biden won by 7 million votes. Trump would have to look more attractive as a candidate to 3 million of those. The guy who announced he will be a dictator, who took credit for killing Roe v. Wade, who invited Russia to invade Europe and start WWIII. Nope, don’t see it. And add into that, Trump’s constant memory and speech issues…he’s getting more deranged each day, by Summer, after stripped of his businesses and over half a billion, he will be frothing-at-the-mouth insane.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – i don’t disagree about The Framers shortcomings.
AdLiban hour ago
Paine was a fine writer……but still not particularly practical….the desire of that general not to be English result in the abandonment of a system where the guardrails are so tightly wound up in operations that messes like the current one are most unlikely.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I believe the framers were still trying to reconcile themselves to the reality they broke away from a system – as bad as it was – was one they understood and starting something new scared the crap out of them.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad…..a nice stroke for Mr. T would be a blessing for the nation and yet,, he will still get a nice slice of the voting pie.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph if Trump had a stroke Biden would be blamed for it.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW…..one example….the separation of executive authority from legislative authority has proven to be a foolish effort to “balance” power. What it does instead is create the fast track to deadlock.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW…..maybe he would……but still it would be a good day.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – But one would have to first make a big leap over the evidence of the past 8 years to arrive at the conclusion that a Trump victory is likely. The majority of women are activated against Trump who claims the death of Roe was his doing. Same with the youth vote that sees the bigotry and fascism spilling out of his mouth. And you’ve even shared with us (and I’ve heard much more of this too) how Repubs who have been supporting Trump are kind of burned out on him now. His rallies are being held at much smaller venues than in 2016 AND there are lots of empty seats. His popularity has shrunken among Repubs, let alone Dems. And look how he couldn’t even get to 70% in MI while Biden was in the 80s. repubs are far less behind Trump than Dems are behind Biden…and all of this is before the criminal conviction(s) that are coming.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph I don’t disagree.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad….I think your logic is sound but just the possibility that he might pull a rabbit out the hat as happened in 2016 makes me so angry……that we are even in this position is so outrageous.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I guess I started this because I have rarely seen so much anger at a planning meeting largely populated by veteran campaigners…..one of the best friends summed up a lot of the feeling….”It’s like standing over a desisted rotting horse and asking if she will every gallaop again.”
MurphTheSurf3
44 minutes ago
Murph I get where you’re coming from. All the indicators that are normally used to gage the economy are showing it’s going in the right direction, but, there iis this stir in the air that is causing people to believe they want Trump back and their is tons of evidence he was and will be a horrible president. But if he gets back in democracy as we know is gone. And if we were the take it back it would never be the same.
twilson117
44 minutes ago
Murph – Consider how poor Trump’s health is with that bloated body and never exercising. Add on the stress of losing his main business, $600 million he doesn’t have in cash so properties will need to be liquidated and burning through millions in lawyer fees while heading to his first federal and criminal prosecution in a matter of weeks. And he’s had to see polls showing he’s not winning. WHat would all that pressure and bad health do to someone already showing signs of dementia? I think he either has a medical emergency or emotionally explodes and says things even more outrageous and offensive than he’s said before. While demonstrating his dementia has progressed. Trump will lose. He knows it, Repubs know it, they are a speeding car heading towards a cliff and that’s reflected in the primary results where Trump should be winning primaries with 90% of the vote like Biden…but isn’t.
AdLib44 minutes ago
If the GOP is as aware as some say they are of how they rushing headlong into a brick wall…why then are they making things worse at every turn.
MurphTheSurf3
42 minutes ago
Ad but if was to get back in then all his money problems will go away as he will do what all crooks do rob the country blind.
twilson117
42 minutes ago
TW….good point.
MurphTheSurf3
42 minutes ago
How in the HELL can so many be so unaware of the outright bribe that the Saudi’s gave his son in law….Biden crime family…shit! Give me a break.
MurphTheSurf3
41 minutes ago
Murph it seems to me the Repugs just want power and they think with Trump they’re going to get it. That dumb ass ruling in Alabama is as stupid as stupid can get.
twilson117
41 minutes ago
Murph – This isn’t 2016 though. Trump is not a new shiny thing that we haven’t seen before and some were hypnotized by. He has a track record. He has lost court cases in which he was declared a rapist and a fraud. He is going to be criminally convicted for obstructing the 2016 election. And they’ve already tried to “what about her emails” Biden but it has failed. The Russians no longer get away with their election interference without being pointed out and there is no James Comey now to accuse Biden in the last two weeks of the election of potentially being a criminal. This isn’t 2016, Trump has announced he will be a dictator on Day One, he will activate a national militia to arrest tens of millions of Latinos, he will sign a national abortion ban, on and on. I appreciate the concern but 2016 isn’t 2024.
AdLib39 minutes ago
Ad you and I discussed this the people need to see Trump convicted on one of these many charges then they have the justification they set for themselves to not vote for him.
twilson117
37 minutes ago
Ad…all of your points are well made and should be pivotal but my fear is that voting public is so stupid, so uninformed, so disengaged, and so arrogant at the same time that I cannot trust them.
MurphTheSurf3
37 minutes ago
Murph – Why did Repubs in Congress scuttle the border and Ukraine bill after they spent weeks putting it together? Why did they waste all that time and energy? Because they are all afraid of Trump and his power to primary them. WHy are they heading towards the cliff as a party and not grabbing the wheel away from Trump? Because they are terrified of him.
AdLib36 minutes ago
Given all that is so evidently wrong with Trump…..his current status continues to astound me.
MurphTheSurf3
36 minutes ago
Ad…I agree with all you say about GOP behavior as directly rooted in Trump priorities but that is not good news.
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
Murph – With you 100% on the outrageousness of Jared getting a $2 Billion bribe, Trump getting bribed from the Saudi golf organization, and Repubs howling that Fani Willis went to a Dennys with her boyfriend and may not have paid for her Grand Slam.
AdLib34 minutes ago
Murph his give of the tough guy image, better know as the John Wayne motif that’s what they want in a leader. Trump plays to that. But those who bother to look under the hood know there is nothing there.
twilson117
34 minutes ago
Well…I am glad I stopped by…..but I have two meeting in the morning….one in regard to safeguarding women’s access to medical care in matters related to pregnancy (you know, real choice) and in cuts in state funding affecting service to children.
MurphTheSurf3
33 minutes ago
Trump is good at appropriating stuff he didn’t do but making it sound like he did and because people think they want to be like him believe his lies’
twilson117
33 minutes ago
Murph – If your doubt in the voting public was the case, Dems wouldn’t have outperformed and won in nearly every election and all national elections in the past 8 years. Just weeks ago, a Dem won George Santos’ seat by a huge margin of 7%. There is no evidence I can find of Dems not out performing Repubs in the past 8 years.
AdLib32 minutes ago
Ad….the facts as you present should be encouraging but I am not confident….that same voting republic in numbers that astound me continue to support persons, movements and ideas that any thinking person should reject.
MurphTheSurf3
31 minutes ago
Murph, before you go, saw this week that the leading Repub candidate for Gov in MO is a KK member and doesn’t apologize for it. Wow.
AdLib31 minutes ago
Ad…..yes…that was part of our meeting….he is a full fledged loon and the GOP leadership is trying to bring him down with the base propping him up.
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
Murph wasn’t MO a Klan haven?
twilson117
29 minutes ago
TW….I live a few miles from Grubville, the Grand Enclave.
MurphTheSurf3
29 minutes ago
Murph that doesn’t help things at all.
twilson117
28 minutes ago
Murph – Not a majority of voters nationally, just not the case. I understand your reservations but taking this out of our personal opinions, what is more instructive than election results over 8 years? That’s a huge sample of voters nationwide, it’s very illustrative of a continuing trend and no one can make a case that there would be some reason for that strong trend to suddenly flip on its head. We can always worry about something flipping the way things are but such worries aren’t based in data.
AdLib28 minutes ago
TW…yep…ideas that should be long dead and buried keep rising from the grave.
MurphTheSurf3
28 minutes ago
Murph – I don’t think we’ll ever see the final death of bigotry. It is the weapon of the fearful and as long as people continue being fearful, there will always be bigotry. We just need to contain it.
AdLib26 minutes ago
Ad….again your logic is sound…what I worry about is the power of the irrational, the power money, and the appeal to raw passion combined with embedded corruption in the highest court in the land…makes me worry a lot.
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
Murph – A takeaway from that KKKandidate, in MO, he has enough voters to make him the leading candidate. Across the nation though, a racist like him would never stand a ghost of a chance. MO is not reflective of the nation and yet, you’re surrounded by lunacy and extremism there, it can sure feel like the whole country is like that but it’s not.
AdLib24 minutes ago
Ad that isn’t always as easy as it sounds. Just when you believe you have it under control it rises up someplace else and spreads it’s bile all over the place again. A constant fight.
twilson117
24 minutes ago
Ad….national events do not provide a lot to build optimism on.
MurphTheSurf3
23 minutes ago
Tw….my sentiments as well.
MurphTheSurf3
23 minutes ago
TW….you live in a red state, yes?
MurphTheSurf3
22 minutes ago
Murph no I’m in the state where the shot heard around the world started everything. MA.
twilson117
22 minutes ago
Murph – I share your upset at a corrupt SCOTUS that I think is intentionally dragging out the prosecutions to help the RW cause if not Trump himself. But Trumnp WILL be criminally tried beginning this month and I think he will be convicted. Trump will be a convicted criminal before Summer and no amount of lipstick put on that pig can make it look attractive.
AdLib21 minutes ago
Murph not my home state moved here not long after I got married.
twilson117
21 minutes ago
TW…my mistake….somehow, FL was in my head…..
MurphTheSurf3
21 minutes ago
TW – So true. It’s a neverending battle, as Superman would say, to fight bigotry. It never dies, it ebbs and flows but never is gone for good.
AdLib20 minutes ago
Ad…the corruption in SCOTUS combined with how powerless we are to cope with it overwhelms a lot of my confidence.
MurphTheSurf3
20 minutes ago
Ad…the corruption in SCOTUS combined with how powerless we are to cope with it overwhelms a lot of my confidence.
MurphTheSurf3
20 minutes ago
Well we have the overdue retiring McConnell to thank for the court we have. Especially when he hijacked the seat Obama had the right to fill.
twilson117
19 minutes ago
That Thomas whose wife conspired with Trump can still hold his seat in cases where he cannot offer the appearance of impartiality is so outrageous as to bring into question the integrity of the entire system.
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
Murph – Have to disagree, national events like the NY cases Trump lost, the criminal case this month that I think he will lose, and his underperformance in the primaries all support the proposition that Trump is wounded and declining. I see no national events that contradict that.
AdLib18 minutes ago
TW….I hope to God that the Dems give McConnell the farewell he deserves….but they are too polite.
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
I read somewhere ‘when you lose the courts you lose your democracy’ I thought it was in How Democracies Die, but I can’t seem to verify it came from that book.
twilson117
17 minutes ago
Ad …..I do not argue with what you say here re. Trump…..truth…but I fear what can come into play when there are so few real guardrails.
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
Murph you mean burn him in effigy?
twilson117
16 minutes ago
TW….you name my worry very well. I would prefer to burn him in reality.
MurphTheSurf3
15 minutes ago
Murph – The SCOTUS couldn’t stop NY from civil and criminal prosecutions of Trump, it won’t stop GA either. Yes, it is horrible that the corrupt SCOTUS has chosen to try and help Trump escape prosecution by Jack Smith before the election but I think Jack Smith and Judge Chutkin won’t just roll over and play dead either. I think one way or another, despite the tight time frame, Jack Smith gets at least one criminal prosecution of Trump completed before the election.
AdLib15 minutes ago
Murph
twilson117
15 minutes ago
Ad…..really hope you are correct…..I do think that living in a blood red state has a way dragging one down and clouding every horizon.
MurphTheSurf3
14 minutes ago
Murph – So true about Thomas being a megaphone for corruption by not recusing himself. The SCOTUS is mortally wounded as an institution, most Americans think its corrupt now, if Dems do win Congress, reshaping the SCOTUS will need to be a priority.
AdLib13 minutes ago
Murph – I don’t see what you’re seeing. What could come into play that would throw the election to Trump?
AdLib12 minutes ago
Thomas clearly is a problem but Alito has to go as well.
twilson117
12 minutes ago
You all recall that many of my childhood and adolescent roots are in the UK…one of my school chums is a rather important member of the bar there and our mess astounds him at many levels.
MurphTheSurf3
12 minutes ago
TW….Thomas, Aitio, yes but the three Trump justices are frauds as well.
MurphTheSurf3
11 minutes ago
Murph I agee with you on that.
twilson117
11 minutes ago
Ad….what I see is what I experience….the state in which I live in a state of thralldom re. the Trump cult.
MurphTheSurf3
10 minutes ago
Well…I do need to go….but I am glad we connected tonight.
MurphTheSurf3
10 minutes ago
Murph you be safe
twilson117
10 minutes ago
TW…doing my best….have I shared with you all that I now have video monitoring all over my farm…..with plenty of signage making that know.
MurphTheSurf3
9 minutes ago
Murph – I am impressed with how you keep on punching despite the pressure of being surrounded by MAGA nutjobs. But you’re doing great work and it will make a difference. I do believe, based on data of election results and not my feelings or optimism, that momentum is all on the Dem’s side and Trump is a bringer of chaos who has pushed away and is alienating more and more, anyone who might have considered flipping over to support him. Just as with the GOP as a whole. Dems win because they represent the majority of Americans. Repubs don’t even have platforms anymore!
AdLib9 minutes ago
Murph you mentioned that.
twilson117
9 minutes ago
Ok……the cameras are monitored by a property safety company……they have called the sheriff twice in last two weeks re. sightings on my property.
MurphTheSurf3
8 minutes ago
Probably hunters……but….
MurphTheSurf3
7 minutes ago
Murph – It is horrible that MO and most red states have become so infected with this hatred and ignorance of Trump and MAGA, it’s like we’re living in a virtual Union vs. Confederacy.
AdLib7 minutes ago
Ad…..well put, well said.
MurphTheSurf3
6 minutes ago
Murph – It’s a relief to know you have monitored security cameras and that they’ll call the police as needed.
AdLib6 minutes ago
Ad in their mind they want to redo the Civil War and actually think they would win.
twilson117
6 minutes ago
I am off to bed. Good night friends. Yes, Ad…my most recent upgrades owe quite a bit to folks like yourself pushing me to step up my prep.
MurphTheSurf3
5 minutes ago
Muph Good night.
twilson117
5 minutes ago
Consider that women, LGBTQ folks, PoC, all have less rights in most Red states than in Blue states. How messed up is that? And how is it not a virtual secession?
AdLib5 minutes ago
TW – It’s the Civil War for those suffering from the Dunning Krueger effect.
AdLib4 minutes ago
Ad time to break out the lemon juice.
twilson117
4 minutes ago
Murph – Just so glad that you’ve done it and are staying safe.
AdLib4 minutes ago
Ad……someone I know, a very wealth gay man who lives in an art community here in this state told me last week that nearly everyone in his community is leaving the state…..that is how unfriendly things have gotten.
MurphTheSurf3
3 minutes ago
Murph – Sad to hear but I think it’s for the best. Being LGBTQ in a Red state, especially how the young student in OK was bullied and killed, it just isn’t safe. Hey, it isn’t even safe for an older white man in MO if he’s not conforming to the MAGA cult.
AdLiba minute ago
Ad….truth and more truth. and good night gentlemen….See you next week.
MurphTheSurf3
a few seconds ago
It’s not just MO, one of the editors for a Medium Pup I write for is moving from Idaho to Oregon because he is tired of the all the racist crap and following Trump nonsese.
twilson117
a few seconds ago
And imagine the exodus of teachers, college grads, doctors, PoC, etc.
AdLiba few seconds ago
TW – That’s why I say it’s happening in Red states, not just one or two.
AdLibin a few seconds
Shall we pick up our chat?
AdLibin a few seconds
Ad you’re right
twilson117
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]]>Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then! AdLib4 hours ago Hellloooo? This is my childhood nightmare. I’m in the house alllll alone… choicelady 2 hours ago Hey Ad twilson117 2 hours ago Hello CL twilson117 2 hours ago TW!!! I don’t know […]
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]]>Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then!
AdLib4 hours ago
Hellloooo? This is my childhood nightmare. I’m in the house alllll alone…
choicelady
2 hours ago
Hey Ad
twilson117
2 hours ago
Hello CL
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW!!! I don’t know where Ad is. Lovely to see you. How are things in MA?
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL things are fine here the weather is good so there are no complaints. Hope all is well with you.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Same here – the heavy storms are over for now.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad has joined the group.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Hey All!
AdLib2 hours ago
I saw him when I joined, but he vanished. Hope he’s back for real. Little too “Stephen King” here. HI AD!!!
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL that’s good to know regarding the storms. But you know MA the weather could change but hopefully with more sunshine
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – I lived in Lawrence for a time, and my brother is near Worcester. So I have a sense of the “don’t like the weather? Wait an hour” mentality.
choicelady
2 hours ago
MURPH!!!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Well ….. signing on like in the good old days, easy peasy.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
CL you’re correct about that.
twilson117
2 hours ago
All – we keep losing AdLib. He’s become an ephemera tonight.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Hello CL…how are you this week.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph is in the house break out the bear and the peanuts
twilson117
2 hours ago
Murph – glad it was finally easy for you.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW….You, party animal, you!
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph – doing OK. Been a hard week, but nothing I can’t survive.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Seems like the demon stalking me here is now after ad lib!
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph always read to party with friends
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW knows how to get to the point of the gathering.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL…from what I heard you were hard pressed…..
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
All what’s your take on Trump seemingly throwing everything at the wall down in FL?
twilson117
2 hours ago
Murph – helping this woman through five attorneys only to have no help has been a bear. We did our Bar Arbitration w the first one, but so far no report.
choicelady
2 hours ago
I sent significant time watching CPAC this week. I found a channel on my satellite service that was carrying it in real time. When they did not have speeches or panel discussion, they interviewed attendees and sample the bric-a-brac for sale there. Horrifying.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
TW – Trump makes very clear we all should own ketchup stock.
choicelady
2 hours ago
I’m in transit right now so I’m in and out. Will be stable shortly.
AdLib2 hours ago
Murph – Conservatism isn’t what it used to be.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL…ever the public champion.
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Hey Ad – see you stabilized soon.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad…risen, alleluia…..in transit? Are posting while driving????????
MurphTheSurf3
2 hours ago
Murph watching CPAC must have been good for a few good ole belly laughs
twilson117
an hour ago
CL…ketchup stock?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW….yes it was amusing but only in that sick way that one experiences with the comedy of the macabre…..there was a lot of certifiable mental illness on display, and proudly so.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – well the LAST attorney made hubs and me run out of money – we liquidated every saving, and we’d taken out a home equity loan. And he insisted we were lying, that we were rich but “selfish”. So he screwed over the case because I didn’t have enough to suit him. He’s a “born again” penitent. As one might imagine, the notion of being a Matthew 25 person never occurred to him.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph I don’t doubt that.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – Trump flings ketchup at the MAL walls when he gets bad news, and these days it’s ONLY bad news.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…wow….did not know any of that.,,,,,you certainly have had your travails even as you crusade for the right, the good.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL….got it…..MAL walls.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I use the voice to text app when driving, don’t take my eyes off the road.
AdLiban hour ago
CL you do have a big heart.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad Lib…I have hard thinking and driving at the same time…the idea of dictating is daunting….but if any one can do it….you, the multi-tasked extraordinaire could
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
In case y’all didn’t see, the Federal Central District of CA judge has ordered Smirnov to come to court in Los Angeles Monday for bail revocation. Weiss asserts he’s a flight risk of great magnitude. He has been in contact with the head of the OVERSEAS ASSASSINATION force in Russia. But it looks as if we don’t lose Smirnov this weekend, his goose is cooked, and he will be held, no bond, after all.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….you know every time I think the GOP has reached its lowest possible point…..the news proves me wrong.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – we have paid out hundreds of thousands for this woman only to have her lawyers screw her over. So we are suing the first one for “offsets” to get it back. It was his mess that made the rest so hard and costly.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – the GOP have no bottom. They just keep digging.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…I truly hope you triumph over those legal monsters.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL those Repugs aren’t have a good time of it are they? Taking the testimony of a Russian stooge who is cahoots with a Russian Hit Squad, You can’t make this stuff up.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – likewise. I’m sick to death of them.’
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – I’d like to say the severity of harm the GOP are doing is sobering, but every time they get shown up, called out, brought low, I am DANCIN’ in the STREETS!
choicelady
an hour ago
CL I hope things work out for her and you.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW….but you know, the GOP has absolutely no integrity….no matter how the facts stack up in opposition to their POV…..they play act in multiple direction creating white noise that misleads all but the well informed and there are not many of them.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I have to admit I’m not as nice as I thought I was when it comes to MAGA
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph you’re correct on that. For a group who swears by moral principles they certainly have none.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW…their moral principles are tissue thin flak thrown about to create chaos….
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph I see where Boebert is having a tough time in her new district. They don’t want her at all.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL being nice to MAGA is not a requirement.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – MORAL? Those are for the suckers not in their elite ranks. I discovered that the NEW attraction to RW christofascism is that if you are “born again”, you now can do ANYTHING YOU WANT. And that is license to kill, rape, abuse children – anything. Being “preforgiven” is the recipe for mass disaster on earth. Screw heaven – these people are a menace.
choicelady
an hour ago
I have neighbors now along the country road where I live who are campaigning to have our road renamed “Trump Way” and to have Trump Flags festooned all along it at the entrance to every home. About half of my neighbors have signed on to the idea.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – thank you. I have no room to be nice to them.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….there is a local pastor whose church and its ideology are an abomination….sounds like you’ve met him.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – your neighbors are nuts. Just wait until he is brought low by Smith. They’ll skitter away.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL they have clearly taken their views to the extreme and beyond believing Trump is going to get them there.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – I’ve lived around them for decades. So over them.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – Trump is what they call “The Key Man”. They whitewash him to be like King David – vile, corrupt, but a leader of the faith. So all they want of him is that he implements THEIR wants. If he dies before election day or in office God forbid he’s elected, they will make like “Weekend at Bernie’s” and animate him to keep the power.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph Trump Way??? Really??? And the want mandatory Trump Flags along the way? So when do they start goose stepping and saying Heil Hillter oh I forgot Heil Trump?
twilson117
an hour ago
TW and Murph – that’s pretty damned scary.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….they will never accept that truth….never……there was a local man who I vaguely knew who was at the capitol on Jan 6. He ended up being tried. He spent six months in jail and has a large fine. He did not seem to me to be a crazy but rather a follower of the crowd of Magats. He came home and has been very quiet but he has made it clear that he will never have anything to do with that movement ever again…..in part because conditions of his probation and parole require that….and for this. he is being condemned and harassed.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Have you all discussed LaPierre and the NRA being libel for corruption? So many Republicans, too few prisons.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – it’s always easy to demand of those who already sacrificed and “found out” rather than, you know, doing it yourself. I am actually sad for him – penalized AND disillusioned plus reviled at home.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad…no, we have not but at CPAC there was a booth dedicated to raising funds to defend LaPierre as the defender of gun rights.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad we didn’t bring that up yet, but I have to say I was happy to hear that, but question if that will change things, but perhaps it is the crack in the wall that is needed.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL….I sort of knew him in the days of the co-op….a simple sort who I suspect was thrilled to be a part of something significant and glorious. He lost his freedom, and has a huge fine to pay yet, and is being reviled by those who once called him friend and patriot.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad and all – what this about LaPierre? Haven’t heard
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph that says it all about Trump followers. Here is someone who went to jail for him and now they want nothing to do with him. It’s beyond said.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – so this man went, did what others wanted him to do, paid the price, and HE is the bad guy? (OK to us, sure, but to MAGA people?) This means they really do expect others to sacrifice everything while they kick back with a longneck and sneer.
choicelady
an hour ago
Since the random shooting at the Super Bowl Victory Celebration in KC gun sales have spiked and there is a rush by the state legislature to keep Mo. towns and cities from creating gun related laws governing large crowd gatherings.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL…that is a good summary…..the leadership of that movement regards men like that man as cannon fodder.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – that makes no sense. I’m sure you know that. Don’t protect your team and fans, jack up gun sales.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…sense? since when was that something of value?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – until LOTS of MAGA people see they mean nothing not to just Trump but their PEERS, it will not abate.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – shame on me. Sense? Not a MAGA family value, nope.
choicelady
an hour ago
LaPierre was kicked out and has to pay back a large amount of money he stole from the NRA to buy himself expensive suits ties, shirts, take trips on private planes basically living the high life on memberships dues.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL…they have built in the mechanisms common to cults….those who withdraw in any way from “the movement” have betrayed all who remain and they must be sanctioned and made to regret their failure to remain loyal to the orthodoxy of the movement.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – whoop, whoop!! Glad LaPierre got his due. Now what about LARA Trump pledging every RNC cent to Donny? Were I a downticket Repub candidate, I’d be FURIOUS!
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – is he in danger?
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph that was a sad day for the Chief fans. But increasing gun sales well we know where that is going to lead to.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL…he is such a sad sack and so broken I doubt he is regarded as a threat…so probably not….those attacking him are doing so, I think, as a warning to others.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
All – I did think it was notable that the people who stopped the KC shooters were UNARMED. That goes unremarked in shooting circles.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL Laura Trump, is an idiot like the rest of the Trump family.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – I think the ‘warning’ is not to go in too deeply for a thousand reasons. This may be a major turn off for the young ones seeing people abandon a guy who gave his all for the cause.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…..I know a very wealthy, a very intelligent GOP stalwart and he has spoken to me about. how a number in his circle are very disturbed at the developments you refer to.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – glad to hear that.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – Lara is one of the dimmest bulbs I’ve ever seen.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…perversely the “young ones” are easily turned to the “dark side.”
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – I do know the young are always the most eager to join – but they also SEE what the older folks do, and it isn’t lost on them.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad….you are like a phantom tonight…now we see you, now we don’t
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I’m almost at my place! If folks can hang on for a little bit, will be fully here!
AdLiban hour ago
Cl I hope your observation is keener than mine.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – are you really here now or just a figment of our imagin….gone.
choicelady
an hour ago
LOL!!!
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad as a figment has more substance than any gathering of right wingers.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL I read today she supposedly has her kids say the Pledge of Allegiance after they say their prayers before going to bed. She doesn’t seem to realize she is prepping them to become part of the Trump Youth Group who will go out and beat up little ole ladies.
twilson117
an hour ago
I’m remembering WW I and Vietnam. The rabid desire to join, to kill a German or commie for Christ was rampant —until the wounded and the “imperfect” started coming back. Then it was no longer romantic, very scary. The men who were snipers – a critical part of winning – were reviled by ALL the English as disgusting. They were already broken people.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW…who is the “she” you were referring to re. the Pledge and Prayers…I missed it.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Being an outcast destroyed them AND the romance of war.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph Laura Trump
twilson117
an hour ago
Tw….oh….not at all surprising…..if the odds play out as they have….her kids have a good chance of turning their back on her when they are free to do so.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Lara Trump is a disgusting person.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – from your keyboard to God’s ear…
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph you force religion on someone they don’t turn out the way you think they will.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL…..your references to WWI and Vietnam are telling, but it is important to remember that WWII is often referred as that rare creature: a good war.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – the 2020 survey of American Religion by PRRI showed that the rigid, fundie religions crashed from 25% to 14% of the population in less than a decade. Hate really does NOT build community.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW…one of the reasons I enjoy those commercials made by Reagans son re his proudly lifted atheism……”Ron Reagan, atheist, not afraid of going to hell.”
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – WW II was not as corrupt internally as either WW I or Vietnam. It had a REALY purpose and was well run, supportive of the troops, moral clarity. That does matter.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….those fundie groups are hoping to utilize the resources of a fascist state to compel many to be part of the state religion.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph I understand what you’re saying, but we all know war creates all sorts of casualties.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph yes I laugh every time he says that.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – good on Ron Jr.! Even as a person deeply enmeshed in the liberal faith community, I find atheists more often than not to have deep insights.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….I agree…given that the enemy was so easily represented as villainy incarnate that was easier to do.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – that is the WHOLE reason they are so aggressive. It’s now or never. Get a theocracy NOW or be remanded to the periphery.
choicelady
an hour ago
I am going to start a Go Fund Me campaign that will feature a picture of Ad on milk cartons. Have you seen this Political Pundit?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
LOL – Ad is MIA tonight. At least we know he’s alive.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL yes theocracy it what they think they want. I empathize the think. Because they had that in Europe and it gave us the reformation, thankfully. These folks who claim they what theocratic rule don’t understand what that means.
twilson117
an hour ago
If you all haven’t seen or listened to Maddow’s podcast on the 1940s infiltration of Congress by Nazis, you seriously must. This Smirnov chaos is EXACTLY what happened in 1940. It’s available to anyone at msnbc.com/Ultra. Seven parts. Each about 45 minutes with some visual documentation for each segment. I recommend it highly since we are LIVING it now. America First, etc. all over again.
choicelady
an hour ago
Freedom of Religion is only possible when Freedom From Religion is guaranteed as an option.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph well put.
twilson117
an hour ago
Maddow is a marvel I think….I have watched most of the episodes and will watch all eventually.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Howdy folks!
AdLiban hour ago
Ad you made it.
twilson117
an hour ago
Catching up on recent conversations here.
AdLiban hour ago
Hooray! Ad is here. Pass the punch! Oh and cancel my Go Fund Me effort to put out milk cartons with Ad’s Image and a question “Have you see this political pundit?”
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – agreed, but they think they are called to force us to have a “Biblical” government. Well, for 235 years we were not, and latter day extremists do NOT get to trash it all for their own ends.
choicelady
an hour ago
Hey Ad – glad to see you. Hope you’re OK?
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – Heh!!!
AdLiban hour ago
CL…I love asking folks who are religionists how many times “God” or any word that refers to the divine, providence etc. appears in the U.S. Constitution……..none, zero, zip, nil, nada
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Yes, all is well. Am in my daughter’s college town, she had softball games today and the last one was a marathon! Finally settling in at the hotel!
AdLiban hour ago
Ad….I was getting a good response…..heh!
MurphTheSurf3
44 minutes ago
Murph – yup. Nothing in the Constitution at all about that.
choicelady
44 minutes ago
I don’t not believe “religion” is uniting process. If anything it goes against the principles of Christ. He wasn’t teaching a religion at all. So the question I put on the table and I’ve asked other people, when did Christ become a Christian?
twilson117
44 minutes ago
Ad – I know where you are. How is her team doing?
choicelady
44 minutes ago
So are we all on the same page that the Repubs are willing collaborators in Russia’s overthrow of our democracy because they can’t win power in a democracy?
AdLib44 minutes ago
Ad…hope you are having a good time….a remember when you told us about your daughter playing on teams throughout her childhood and adolescense.
MurphTheSurf3
43 minutes ago
Her team is ranked 4th in the nation, they lost a heartbreaker in the last game but two more games tomorrow!
AdLib43 minutes ago
Ad…I certainly am……if the GOP is sacked in the upcoming election….and suffers the way I hope they do…their identity will be shattered and then what.
MurphTheSurf3
42 minutes ago
TW – that is EXACTLY the point, thank you. Jesus was not teaching religion AT ALL but was giving people principles for living an inclusive spiritual and material life that matters and nourishes. He was NOT a Christian. He wasn’t anything.
choicelady
42 minutes ago
Ad – Oh, please tell her I am SO sorry and thinking of her. Fourth in the NATION is amazing! I wish her and them ALL best for tomorrow!!!
choicelady
41 minutes ago
Ad – Sending her my love.
choicelady
41 minutes ago
Ad…. I think you have been a coach have you not?
MurphTheSurf3
40 minutes ago
Murph – you know my refrain, the Dems need to acknowledge how close we came in 2020 and are this year in losing our democracy to a Putin-controlled regime that they kill the filibuster and pass a bucket of crucial bills including voting rights and guardrails to prevent an overthrow in the future.
AdLib40 minutes ago
Murph – Ad isn’t a coach – he’s THE coach! We stand in the presence of greatness here.
choicelady
40 minutes ago
Ad,,,,I believe you are on the mark.
MurphTheSurf3
39 minutes ago
Thanks CL! Will pass it along!
AdLib39 minutes ago
CL thank you. I agree with you completely, he was Jewish, but not a Christian, but as you said providing process by which we could learn to live together and prosper. But folks want his teaching done under their interpretation of what he said over 2,000 years ago.
twilson117
39 minutes ago
CL….aha….I recalled tales of field generalship.
MurphTheSurf3
39 minutes ago
Heh! Yes, I coached her most of her life, now I’m just a proud dad watching her.
AdLib38 minutes ago
TW – there really is, not a joke, the “conservative Bible project” to remove all liberal passages from the Bible. So much for the ‘inerrant word of God’.
choicelady
38 minutes ago
It is important to recall that “Christianity” as a religious entity, a body of organized believers is a creation of the Eastern Roman Empire in part to create a structure by which the empire could continue.
MurphTheSurf3
38 minutes ago
I have a question, why do you think the Dominionists are being so open about their atte,pts and plans to subjugate women and our democracy? Desperation or do they think they’re on the brink of success?
AdLib37 minutes ago
CL the fact they are doing that is stupid beyond belief it’s no longer a Bible but another half baked book of meaningless gibberish.
twilson117
36 minutes ago
Not surprised the Alabama “Supreme” Court is just a KKK meetup.
AdLib35 minutes ago
Murph in the book “Saving Paradise”, my friend, theologian Rita Nakashima Brock and her coauthor look at the Byzantine church and find it was as Jesus wished – promulgating a collective move to restore Eden for all. Along comes the brutality of crucifixion worship and the “sheep/goats” divisions that in the HRE usher in the crusades and the rule bound version of the church. HUGE loss to all when that dominates.
choicelady
34 minutes ago
Ad they think Trump is with them in all they do. Boy are they in for a surprise when he asks them how much he’s going to get from letting them do their nonsense.
twilson117
34 minutes ago
Ad – I think they have doomed themselves. This last bar to IVF shows the wanton disregard for actual life issues.
choicelady
33 minutes ago
TW – the problem with fascist dictators is they really eat their own. Hitler started as Christian and then dumped it as he modeled himself as the new Sun King. Trump – should he live that long – would do the same. God? Jesus? Penny ante: WORSHIP ME!!!
choicelady
32 minutes ago
TW – I think they and the Repubs are in for more of a surprise when Dems win a trifecta and use that to install guardrails that enshrine democracy and fence the fascists out.
AdLib32 minutes ago
CL…..I do not know the work of Nakashima but from what you say here I would probably not endorse her thinking. Constantine made Christianity on of the acceptable, warranted and licensed faith groups in the empire and Theodosius converted and late in life made it the state religion.
MurphTheSurf3
31 minutes ago
Ad – totally agree. And yes, we WILL have blood, but it will mostly be theirs. Garland knew he had to take out the street troops and their leaders, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, bot neuter the movement and the potential for violence.
choicelady
31 minutes ago
Ad well we better be prepared because they will claim it was all rigged.
twilson117
31 minutes ago
CL – You have to admit it’s kind of amusing to see Repubs scrambling over the IVF decision by a MAGA court. They know how screwed they are after Hobbs, this buries them with women voters including Republican women!
AdLib30 minutes ago
Rita’s evidence is compelling – she sees a great division between the leadership and the congregations. I think you’d like their work. She has a real point with scholarship to support it.
choicelady
29 minutes ago
CL – And as the criminal cases fill each day’s news with more surprising crimes and outrages of Trump and his cronies, will they all slowly recognize the game they’ve bet all their chips on is over? And they lost?
AdLib28 minutes ago
All three Pence kids were conceived IVF,.
choicelady
28 minutes ago
Murph there is something very interesting about what Constantine did, ‘warranted and licensed faith groups’ sounds like they had to pay some sort of tax to go forth an preach the gospel, did I get that right.
twilson117
27 minutes ago
It won’t happen quickly, but lots of Trump voters already are saying he’s not who they thought he was. They are leaving his orbit.
choicelady
27 minutes ago
CL – Pence probably isn’t even the father.
AdLib27 minutes ago
Ad, CL, TW….my hope rests in that possibility that enough people will have 1/3 of the intelligence that you represent.
MurphTheSurf3
27 minutes ago
CL…tell me about those “disenchanted”trumpets.
MurphTheSurf3
27 minutes ago
Murph – I think most Americans are getting it. We surely hope so!
choicelady
26 minutes ago
Murph appreciate that.
twilson117
26 minutes ago
Murph – it’s not that Trump walkaways are now Dems, though some ARE, but that they are so disillusioned, so revolted by his narcissism, they are leaving the orbit. They may sit it out. NOT saying they’ve ‘seen the light’ so much as the light went out on them.
choicelady
25 minutes ago
We already know that these Repúblifacists believe that the only legit elections are when they win. So Trump spouting the big lie again…after criminally convicted for doing it the first time, might result in a bigger sentence just as his repeating the slurs against E Jean Carroll turned a $5 million judgement into an $83 million one.
AdLib24 minutes ago
TW…..the Eastern Empire had a licensing procedure that included standards of a religious association to be recognized as a state religion. There were several. The benefit to the Empire was alliances with those groups who benefited from stability and a religious “quality control” that made all of them institutions in support of a state that supported them.
MurphTheSurf3
24 minutes ago
Ad – Not sure and really don’t care if Pence is the father, but he DID defend the process. The AL court just went too damned far.
choicelady
24 minutes ago
Murph – I know it’s hard when you’re surrounded in MO by a mass of MAGAs but the majority of Americans don’t want to be a satellite of the Russian Federation.
AdLib23 minutes ago
CL all three of Pence’s children are IVF babies? So what happen the rest of the embryos? If they were destroyed what does that make him?
twilson117
22 minutes ago
CL….I am not seeing that here……..as someone who might end up living on a roadway name for Trump, I see them as Loud and Proud.
MurphTheSurf3
22 minutes ago
CL – I imagine that Dominionist Chief Justice was snickering to himself that he would be at the forefront of the overthrow of democracy. He’s probably unhappy that the GOP and even Trump have refuted him.
AdLib21 minutes ago
Ad – have you seen the “advert” for Habba? “She will plead your parking ticket down to first degree murder!” That’s the entire genius of the Trump defense and his irresponsibility.
choicelady
21 minutes ago
These are truly bizarre times.
MurphTheSurf3
21 minutes ago
Murph so if a few gold coins showed up the Emperor wouldn’t be offended correct?
twilson117
20 minutes ago
I love the fall from power of Comer, Jordan, TMG, Johnson, et al. on the Biden impeachment disaster and now the AL court botching this “Biblical” decision. ROTFLMAO!
choicelady
20 minutes ago
CL – Yes, I’ve seen a variety of Habba ads. She has to know in private moments that she’s seen as a fool.
AdLib20 minutes ago
Ad – well, she said in an on-air interview she’d rather be pretty than smart. She obviously got her wish.
choicelady
19 minutes ago
TW…more than that, you were correct earlier….there was a process of taxation but also state funding for….wait for it….churches….easily identified gathering locations where the group could be monitored.
MurphTheSurf3
19 minutes ago
CL did you see MTG has to pay he fines for not wearing her mask during COVID $100k
twilson117
18 minutes ago
CL – Yes! And the downfall of LaPierre and the NRA? It’s like the ceiling is just collapsing on the GOP and when Trump loses AGAIN, and is facing prison time, it’s all over. A cult without its leader disintegrates.
AdLib18 minutes ago
TW…not that is good news…hate MTG…a.nd so do her kids.
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
TW – YES!!! What a stupid move to go to SCOTUS. It’s not a law but a House rule, and they really have no jurisdiction. Now she’s stuck. And looks like an idiot.
choicelady
17 minutes ago
Murph who said religion wasn’t profitable.
twilson117
17 minutes ago
CL – Habba is pretty…stupid.
AdLib17 minutes ago
Ad Lib – yes, yes she is.
choicelady
17 minutes ago
Ad…I would be careful about rushing to play Taps for them yet. My Misery Voice speaks.
MurphTheSurf3
17 minutes ago
CL well looking like an Idiot seems to be clearly written in her job description.
twilson117
16 minutes ago
I imagine that Mike Johnson thought he’d sail the Speakership into becoming the new stand in for Trump. Ooops. Hubris isn’t a plan. Mike has Hubris. He has no other skill. He even pissed off his caucus by preaching bad theology for HOURS at their last meeting.
choicelady
16 minutes ago
Well friends….I am tuckered out…love the time here..but my bed beckons.
MurphTheSurf3
15 minutes ago
Habba is beyond stupid.
twilson117
14 minutes ago
Murph – your Misery Voice is correct NOT about their success but about their viciousness in failure. I do not think they will win the House or Senate, or the WH. But they are dangerous anyway. If your ENTIRE mission in life is to see Jesus restored and your soul elevated to the Right Hand of God, you don’t just give up. I am worried about their violence potential.
choicelady
14 minutes ago
Murph – It’s not over yet but the GOP is a cult. Without its cult leader, Trump, it’s aimless and will fall apart. A number of people will try to claim the mantle of being Trump’s heir but that doesn’t work in cults. And Trump will likely still be alive, just in prison so he will be their cult leader en absentia. But gone from view which means powerless.
AdLib14 minutes ago
Murph you take care.
twilson117
14 minutes ago
Take care Murph! Have a nice weekend!
AdLib13 minutes ago
Ad…I like your scenario.
MurphTheSurf3
13 minutes ago
Best to all.
MurphTheSurf3
13 minutes ago
Good night, Murph, Be well. See you next week. I also am taking off – had to renew my driver’s license with tests required once you’re over (mumble) years old, and I’m knackered. See you next week!
choicelady
13 minutes ago
CL take care.
twilson117
12 minutes ago
Ad will give you a call in a sec
twilson117
12 minutes ago
CL – Hasn’t Johnson destroyed his speakership in record time? No one trusts him, he’s sabotaged the border deal he demanded then whines Biden won’t meet with him and negotiate. No kidding! Johnson has declared himself an untrustworthy liar.
AdLib11 minutes ago
Sounds good, TW.
AdLib
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]]>Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then! AdLib3 hours ago Hey TW! AdLiban hour ago Well here we are. twilson117 an hour ago Just us so far. CL had a long day at the CA State Bar trying to get justice against […]
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]]>AdLib3 hours ago
Hey TW!
AdLiban hour ago
Well here we are.
twilson117
an hour ago
Just us so far. CL had a long day at the CA State Bar trying to get justice against a crooked lawyer. They favored their own over justice it sounds like.
AdLiban hour ago
So she won’t make it tonight.
AdLiban hour ago
Well she works hard.
twilson117
an hour ago
Yes lawyers do protect each other
twilson117
an hour ago
So adding all the decisions and interest against Trump, in two months he’s on the hook for over half a billion!
AdLiban hour ago
Murph is in the House
twilson117
an hour ago
Hey Murph!
AdLiban hour ago
Got right on tonight!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
So Murph how are the Trumpers taking the verdict against their hero?
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph -Glad to hear that!
AdLiban hour ago
TW…ignoring it, denying it, defaming it.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph if I recall you taught history, what’s your take on Thomas Paine?
twilson117
an hour ago
So? Did it ever seem like this day would come? Trump sunk by half a million?!
AdLiban hour ago
TW….Thomas Paine of the Revolutionary Era?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Yes
twilson117
an hour ago
Well….he was a radical….a true radical…whose ideas were cherry picked by the Founders and Framers.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad Million or Billion
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – You probably know about this but on the same day that youths shot up the Chief’s rally killing multiple people and wounding 2 dozen, the MO legislature killed a bill requiring youth to have an adult with them when they carry weapons in public. Insane.
AdLiban hour ago
TW….what is your interest in TP?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph he was but I think his ideas are appropriate for today. If he was around I have the feeling he be in the Dem camp.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – Half BILLION! Around $550 million!
AdLiban hour ago
Ad…very aware of it….to quote my state rep…..”Everything is a compromise made for the greater good. The preservation of the free, open and untrammeled right to. own, hold and bear arms is for the greater good.”
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph I working on an article I’m writing for Medium and using some his quotes. Also watched an interesting video on him and he was ahead of his time on a number of things. But that never got discussed when I was in HS years ago.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW….he was regarded as a useful thinker but he was very difficult to be or work with.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph my kind of person.
twilson117
an hour ago
He owes E. Jean Carroll over $100M including interest and today’s judgement is about $450M including interest. And as appeal makes days and months go by, he owes more and more interest at a rate of $1 million a week! Just heard that on Lawrence.
AdLiban hour ago
Paine was an absolutist……NEVER compromise……Jefferson admired him but said he would never have supper with him….indigestion you know.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Trump a half billion gotta love it.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad…what do you think of my reps quote? He had it ready to go.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Jefferson was a whimp.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – There’s something very “sacrifice virgin children” about the 2nd Amendment fanatics’ reasoning.
AdLiban hour ago
TW…Jefferson a wimp! Oh my….on what do you maintain that idea.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad, yes there is.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Did you all see the FBI arrested the GOP’s star anti Biden witness…..for perjury.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Do they think it’s just cool and macho to coldly declare innocent people have to die so we can carry AR-15s in an Arby’s?
AdLiban hour ago
Murph his position on slavery the went back and forth he could have taken a stand but refuse to do so.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – Yep, saw that and laughed at the Repub’s reaction to their primary “evidence” being arrested as a fraud, “Oh, we have a mountain of other evidence against Biden.” Such terrible liars.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad…..they do not deal with it from that perspective……..remember that the “blood of patriots” that nurtures freedom…..is seen by them to include those who are innocent victims “who give their lives for freedom.” These are real quotes.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad we know the repugs are going to claim all sorts of stuff around this latest on Trump. Something about not being able to handle the truth.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW….do you know what became of Paine post revolution?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – That’s so perverse. Giving one’s life is a choice, innocent children who are supposed to be protected by these “pro-lifers” are okay to be used as unwilling sacrifices to their god of death machines.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph yes when he died he was buried under a Walnut tree, his remains were dug up by a friend who was going to bury him in England but they got lost and never to be found.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW…yes…..do you know how he lived post revolution….AND why the idea of burying his ashes in England seemed appropriate
MurphTheSurf3
43 minutes ago
TW – Saw folks on MSNBC saying that Trump will have to continue running all year against the rule of law and everyone who enforces it, asking if the GOP will follow him on that. Of course they will but is that really an appetizing argument to pullBiden and indie voters over to him? “I will destroy the courts and the rule of law!” Don’t think so.
AdLib43 minutes ago
Ad, you speak the raw, naked truth.
MurphTheSurf3
43 minutes ago
Murph yeah he wasn’t allowed to be buried in some cemetery because it was said he wasn’t an American citizen along with his work in France that got him trouble.
twilson117
42 minutes ago
TW……yes……and what was that work in France….wasn’t there enough for him to do in the newly minted “united” States.
MurphTheSurf3
41 minutes ago
Murph – It seems pretty plain, how these obsessed extremists invest their manhood and identity in promoting the cult of guns, to the point of being cold-blooded sadists, justifying the murder of innocent men, women, and children. It is mental illness.
AdLib40 minutes ago
Ad….truth!
MurphTheSurf3
40 minutes ago
If we had a mental illness screening requirement to own guns, there would be tens of millions of unarmed gun fanatics.
AdLib39 minutes ago
TW….Derided by the public and abandoned by his friends, impoverished and largely ignored Paine died on June 8, 1809 at the age of 72 in New York City.
MurphTheSurf3
38 minutes ago
Murph is support for the revelation in France his support for Napolean but his words ie big mouth got him trouble with Napolean along with Washington never opening up his mouth about Paine having been granted citizenship because he upset Washing and Adams was not fan because of his radicalism. I believe he was ahead of his time.
twilson117
38 minutes ago
FWIW, I think Fani Willis is free and clear of being removed from the Trump case in Fulton County. My bet is that it can soon be scheduled for trial, possibly in August…just after the 1/6 trial should wrap up.
AdLib38 minutes ago
TW…..if you study Paine using an episodic approach selecting bits and pieces he can be made to be quite admirable, but look for his darker and less disciplined side and there is abundant evidence.
MurphTheSurf3
36 minutes ago
Ad as we discussed earlier I agree also I’m hoping Drump has a hard time of it from this point forward. We can’t forget he has members for the Meto police force suing him for what happen on Jan 6.
twilson117
36 minutes ago
Ad Lib…I thought Willis was fantastic……her “in your face” approach was clearly something the judge admired too.
MurphTheSurf3
36 minutes ago
The only testimony disputing Fani Willis’ testimony was from that woman who was disgruntled because she was essentially fired…but she was dishonest about it in court and claimed she just resigned…when the truth was she was told to resign or be fired. She destroyed her credibility. No other testimony or evidence to prove Trump’s team’s claims about Fani that would be cause to disqualify her. I bet early next week, the judge finds she can continue the case.
AdLib34 minutes ago
TW…..I asked a local sheriff about his thoughts re. those metro officers…..his response……”Brainwashed by the commies.”
MurphTheSurf3
34 minutes ago
Murph good idea, the article essentially using a few of his quotes in relation to what Trump is trying to do in his effort to destroy democracy.
twilson117
34 minutes ago
TW – The ladies in G who Giuliani defamed got $100 million, right? The Capitol Police were assaulted, threatened, and made to fear for their lives. I could imagine hundreds of millions for them.
AdLib33 minutes ago
Ad the good times for Drump are just begining.
twilson117
32 minutes ago
TW…could you send me your finished article. I do very little in the blogosphere now but I love your writing.
MurphTheSurf3
32 minutes ago
Murph – It was a little uncomfortable, seeing Fani trembling with rage but she dominated the hearing and Trump’s lawyers and set them straight about black women and keeping cash. She stood up to the Trump slime machine and I think Trump and his cronies are going to be sorry they came at her like this, she’s going to crush them in the trial.
AdLib31 minutes ago
Murph I will. Also it will be posted on my website and here on the Planet.
twilson117
31 minutes ago
Ad…..I found the rage an authentic undercurrent.
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
Thanks TW.
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
Murph – So the Capitol Police who were protecting the Capitol of the United States…are brainwashed commies because they did their job? Again, so many mentally ill among the MAGA cult.
AdLib29 minutes ago
I need to let you both know that I will not be long here tonight…..we had a big snow storm here and I was on the road for most of it……driving here can be challenging with so many hills and valleys and a government that is slow to do what it needs to do.
MurphTheSurf3
28 minutes ago
Murph – Yes, very authentic and justified. Jared Kushner gave classified info to MBS so he could murder and dismember a journalist then gets his payoff of $2 billion. And yet Fani Willis should be destroyed as corrupt for going on a vacation with her boyfriend? Repubs are so twisted.
AdLib27 minutes ago
Ad…since these people believe that it was FBI plants who provoked the crowd to its rage…anything is possible.
MurphTheSurf3
27 minutes ago
Murph – How long did it take you to get home?
AdLib27 minutes ago
Yes Ad….and where is that Kushner investigation.
MurphTheSurf3
27 minutes ago
Murph – I know you can’t discuss anything logically with these typpes but how can they simultaneously say it was all FBI and Antifa on 1/6 and yet all the people being tried and convicted are MAGAs?
AdLib26 minutes ago
Ad….I went to a clinic with two neighbors who wanted/needed to have someone to help them navigate tests and consultation. We left here at 10. AM and got back at 6 PM…..the clinic is normally 45 minutes away.
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
Murph – Indeed. It is such a blatant case of corruption to see Kushner get his bribe so openly yet no investigation. I assume Garland feels prosecuting Trump is enough on the DoJ’s plate.
AdLib25 minutes ago
Murph that sounds like a heck of a storm
twilson117
24 minutes ago
Murph – That sounds like a huge slog through the snow. Exhausting just to hear about it.
AdLib24 minutes ago
AD,,,,AT LAST…you get it……channeling my MAGA mind…..”Right, the FBI and Antifa were working together….to make their movement look bad while ensuring that Trump lost his office.”
MurphTheSurf3
24 minutes ago
Ad…..re. Garland and Kushner….I suppose you are correct but still……what is the statute of limitations.
MurphTheSurf3
23 minutes ago
Ad and TW……average speed coming back was 12 miles an hour….I had to go 40 miles out of the way to get to a point where I could travel on terrain that was reasonably flat.
MurphTheSurf3
22 minutes ago
Murph – I know, they make no sense. I think you mentioned you’ve said to one or more of them, “Why would the FBI and Antifa be attacking the Capitol and trying to setup MAGAs when Joe Biden already won the election two months before and was going to take power?
AdLib22 minutes ago
Ad….I know I think those thoughts but I know that I would not succeed in getting half of it out as I would be shouted down, or walked away from.
MurphTheSurf3
21 minutes ago
Murph – Don’t know for sure but I might guess the statute of limitations on public corruption is 5 years because thet was the timespan discussed about trying Trump when he was protected from prosecution in office.
AdLib21 minutes ago
Ad….ah…..shame.
MurphTheSurf3
20 minutes ago
Murph – 40 miles out of the way? In a snowstorm or its aftermath? Wow!
AdLib20 minutes ago
Ad none of the nonsense Trump supporters are saying about Jan 6 makes any sense.
twilson117
19 minutes ago
Ad….in the storm………no other way to get home with a modicum of safety.
MurphTheSurf3
19 minutes ago
Murph that sounds like a whopper of a storm
twilson117
19 minutes ago
The storm only dumped 5 to 7 inches…..but there was a good wind and a lot of fog made far more dangerous by a geography that is challenging in any inclement weather and a lot of people who have lost their “how to drive in snow” sense.
MurphTheSurf3
17 minutes ago
Murph – Yep, I know very well the futility of trying to point out the contradictions and lunacy of MAGA propaganda spouted by MAGAs. They are cultists and you can’t convince a cult out of their cult’s dogma. “Haley’s Comet isn’t a spaceship and if you kill yourself, you won’t be transported to it, you’ll be dead right here on Earth.” “You’re just a non-believer!”
AdLib17 minutes ago
Yes, Ad, that is the sacred Mantra.
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
One of the families that I helped get access to the Affordable Care Act Services has been magnified and are completely in the dark about what they will lose in a Trump Regime. Every effort to make that clear is pissing in the wind.
MurphTheSurf3
15 minutes ago
TW – Right, because to the ignorant like MAGA, it’s always working backwards from they and their leader deserving everything and being righteous and Dems and moderates being evil baby-blood drinkers and wrong. They always work backwards from claiming righteousness then fill in the ridiculous gaps with ridiculous justifications.
AdLib15 minutes ago
Murph – I get it, glad you’re thoughtful about it and did what you needed to do to stay safe and help out those folks.
AdLib14 minutes ago
Ad what can one say??
twilson117
14 minutes ago
In my mid-70’s I should be retired on a palm blessed sandy paradise……well……I know I would hate it pretty quickly…but still….a nice daydream.
MurphTheSurf3
13 minutes ago
Murph I tip my hat to you and what you’re doing for others.
twilson117
12 minutes ago
Murph – Hate to have to admit that so many people are a lost cause but so many MAGA are. They will follow Trump and the GOP off a cliff like lemmings, they define themselves by their blind faith in authoritarianism. Like ignorant people who are fodder for the powerful always do.
AdLib12 minutes ago
Murph as long as it’s not Florida, Cal would be nice.
twilson117
12 minutes ago
TW and Ad…..I look back to the glory days of the co-op and cannot help but think….”what did any of that really mean in the long run?”
MurphTheSurf3
11 minutes ago
Ad and TW – you are both so clearly spot on.
MurphTheSurf3
11 minutes ago
Murph – Speaking as a Los Angelean, nope, I don’t think lying out on a beach would be that unpleasant for you.
AdLib10 minutes ago
Murph everything has a reason some good some not, but I have think planting and growing had a great deal of value for you.
twilson117
10 minutes ago
Oh, I do not regret those years…just sad that eventually the dark forces won out.
MurphTheSurf3
10 minutes ago
Murph – The co-op was a good thing for you and many others for a long time but not everything lasts. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t worthwhile all those years.
AdLib9 minutes ago
Murph those dark forces you speak of were just jealous.
twilson117
9 minutes ago
Ad…..I live with that hope in mind.
MurphTheSurf3
9 minutes ago
TW….jealous or deeply committed to the evil that they believed was the good.
MurphTheSurf3
8 minutes ago
Murph I have to say both.
twilson117
8 minutes ago
Murph – There are always destructive people who ruin worthwhile or plesant things. Destruction is easy and the handiest tool of the ignorant and emotionally stunted.
AdLib8 minutes ago
TW….I can buy that.
MurphTheSurf3
8 minutes ago
Ad. So right.
MurphTheSurf3
7 minutes ago
Murph – So the MAGAs won control of the co-op…and what did they end up with? Nothing.
AdLib7 minutes ago
Ad jealous because they can’t do it as well.
twilson117
6 minutes ago
Ad….actually they never got the co-op….it just went away AND there are more than a few farmers/ranchers here were and continue to be hurt by the loss of the resources and the changes we spearheaded.
MurphTheSurf3
6 minutes ago
The GOP is now just a mob of cowardly, destructive idiots. They have had their wins but this year, I’m pretty confident, they will have a resonant defeat that knocks them way back, away from power an opportunity for power for years.
AdLib5 minutes ago
Well…friends…..I need to get a nice drink and a good book…..and head to bed. It has been a pleasure as always.
MurphTheSurf3
4 minutes ago
Murph – But wasn’t the destruction of the co-op caused by the MAGAs who insisted on dominating it?
AdLib4 minutes ago
Murph sounds like if they can’t have the way they want it, then they will destroy because it’s all they know.
twilson117
4 minutes ago
Murph take care.
twilson117
3 minutes ago
TW – I actually think MAGAs are destructive because their ignorance and misplaced confidence in their ideas destroys them and what they touch.
AdLib3 minutes ago
Ad….the MAGA folks undermined it and worked against any effort to maintain membership. They never controlled it.
MurphTheSurf3
3 minutes ago
I pulled the plug before that could happen.
MurphTheSurf3
3 minutes ago
Ad damn good point
twilson117
2 minutes ago
Murph – Got it. So they undermined it out of a desire to destroy it? Or to weaken others so they could take control?
AdLib2 minutes ago
Ad, that is a fair summary. TW, look forward to your latest Magnus opus. And so…good. night. Have a good week. Murph
MurphTheSurf3
a minute ago
Take care Murph.
twilson117
a few seconds ago
Well just us will give you a call in 5
twilson117
a few seconds ago
TW – Ignorance is one of the most destructive weapons there is. Get people to passionately believe extremist things that smarter people would never fall for, they can be controlled and inspired to be violent and destructive. They’re clueless of what pawns they’ve been turned into.
AdLibin a few seconds
Sounds good!
AdLibin a few seconds
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]]>Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. Hope to see you then! AdLib3 hours ago Hey TW! AdLib2 hours ago Hey Ad. Quick question how do I get the text box to expand when I click on the arrow up top nothing happens. twilson117 2 hours ago […]
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]]>AdLib3 hours ago
Hey TW!
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey Ad. Quick question how do I get the text box to expand when I click on the arrow up top nothing happens.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Drag the lower right corner of the window.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ah that works just fine.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Perfect!
AdLib2 hours ago
I’m glad there’s been a lot of pushback against Hur and his outrageous political attack against Biden in his report.
AdLib2 hours ago
Well it looks like a showdown between Cannon and Smith
twilson117
2 hours ago
Yeah Hur has taken it too far, but I’m glad it happen now and not in September.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Yep, I think Cannon’s hubris today, ordering Smith to provide all that wirness information late Friday, in hours to Trump was the last straw. I think Smith has to be applying for an emergency appeal to the 11th Circuit and now has a legit argument to force Cannon off the case.
AdLib2 hours ago
Also as we discussed yesterday Trump will win on the ballot but lose on the immunity. While I want to see him lose everything I rather see him get squashed on the immunity.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Exactly! People already thought Biden was old before this attack, 9 months from now they still will but Trump will be a convicted criminal by then and that will get all the talk.
AdLib2 hours ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if the case wasn’t already written and all he has to do is push the send button.
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL is in the House!!!
twilson117
2 hours ago
Evening, good friend!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Friends. Plural. Typing challenged today.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Hello CL lot’s to discuss.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Obviously, he has to lose on immunity, it is a total fabrication and runs counter to so much of the Constitution, But I do think there were legit grounds to remove trump from the ballot and have him declared ineligible but even the liberals on the SCOTUS didn’t seem to want to go there.
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey CL!
AdLib2 hours ago
I agree that Canon is loose. I think she has WAY overstepped and will be kicked off.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad – are you OK down there. It wasn’t a HUGE quake, but depending on where you are, even that can do damage
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad yes I agree about the liberal judges on the ballot issue, it would have been nice to just see him lose and lose and lose.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – Good point, Smith is so sharp, he may have already been drafting his appeal against Cannon after she initially made the wrong decision, knowing her hubris and partisanship that she wouldn’t back down.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL we all agree on that.
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL – Smith has been patient, waiting for this moment that seemed inevitable, I think he has cause now to force recusal of Cannon now.
AdLib2 hours ago
I bet Smith drafted a complaint agint Ol’ Aileen the day she was appointed.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Her disregard for confidentiality and protection is WAY outside the cannons for high security cases that I think she is toast.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL I’m in agreement with you. I believe he already has an appeal ready all he needs to do is push send.
twilson117
2 hours ago
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Just fine here. Definitely felt the quake, my wife has an app and her phone was near me, that almost immediately said “Earthquake!”. I now have the same app on my phone, it went off as the earthquake was happening, that’s pretty remarkable. It’s always the same with a quake, you know, as it has surges of strength, you’re kind of waiting to see if a huge surge comes. It didn’t so all is just fine here.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL especially with how Trump supporters decided to take matters into their own hands.
twilson117
2 hours ago
VERY glad you’re OK. I have never recovered from 1971. OMG. Greg was in the round Holiday Inn off the 405 for Northridge. More or less slept through it which means YES, he probably WILL sleep through the Apocalypse which, if you think about it, is perfect.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Heh! I have 100% coinfidence in Smith’s smarts, he’s thinking ahead so I do think he’s been building his case to remove Cannon but she seems to have just given him all he needs. Maybe not, I’m no expert in this area but it sure seems big enough to bury her.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – screwing around with protection under national security is SO WRONG and off the charts I think she has screwed herself royally.
choicelady
2 hours ago
I bet Smith is a wiz and game theory.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – he is the one who convicted the Butcher of Kosovo. He has high profile wins against tyrants. That’s why Garland wanted him.
choicelady
2 hours ago
He was in Northridge? I know the round Holiday Inn in Burbank, didn’t know there was one in Northridge. How on Earth could he have slept through it? Where we are, it was magnified to over 7.0. SO much destruction around where we were, thankfully not to our place.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL a round Holiday Inn, there was one in Syracuse my home town with it’s version of the Playboy Club at the top.
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL – And Cannon is wholly wrong about the judicial norms for secrecy, what she quoted was factually wrong as a policy. And her refusal to relent sure seems to be disqualifying.
AdLib2 hours ago
It was the round HI south of Mulholland. Greg has sleep apnea and when he sleeps, it’s profound. I think it’s very funny, but he was perpetually exhausted until he got a sleep study and CPAP. Now it’s better.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – That sounds cool! Did you ever go up there?
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – she’s a piece of work. To avoid the existing laws and regs on high security cases is a fool’s errand.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – for a time they were everywhere. I knew of the HI in Syracuse but not it’s, so to speak, “crowning glory”!
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad oh yeah me and one of my buddies made the rounds it was nice. But it got old real fast.
twilson117
2 hours ago
CL – Oh! That Holiday Inn is more in Brentwood which is several miles south of Northridge. It’s not so far away from us!
AdLib2 hours ago
Right. He THINKS he did briefly wake up (not sure) but by the time his alarm went off he had forgotten and couldn’t figure out why no electricity, no water. He also has ZERO memory of how he got back to Sacramento since airports were closed for a time.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Sleep apnea is horrid because it does screw with memory among other things.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL it was something totally different for Syracuse a round hotel. But in time it diminished and was torn down when they expanded the St. Joe’s hospital complex. But I was long gone when that happened.
twilson117
2 hours ago
I love telling the tale – my hubs slept through the Northridge earthquake.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – I think Cannon is typical MAGA, she thinks she knows more than she does. Her hubris and self-righteousness dominates her thinking and loyalty to Trump as she imagines becoming a SCOTUS judge probably also contributes to her gross ignorance. Either way, I thibnk this could be the end of her overseeing this case.
AdLib2 hours ago
I grew up near Chicago and remember the first round apartment was there. Two “corn cobs” as they got known. I think they still exist. From the 1960s.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad – you have perfectly described Cannon.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Very funny! He slept through the biggest earthquake LA has had in its history then got home when planes weren’t flying. Is he magical?
AdLib2 hours ago
Everything I’ve read about Cannon she seems like all should be doing as a judge is hearing jaywalking cases and overdue library fees.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – Sounds like a fond memory, even if it got old after a while. And now…it’s just a memory itself.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – if he could remember, he might have been. He has a way of dealing w adversity which is to immerse himself in a book and pay NO attention to it.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – I think those areas of law are above her acumen.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – I like uniquely shaped buildings, round hotels are great because everyone has a view but round buildings look so sleek and modern.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad it was fun for the moment. And as you said some good memories that I don’t talk about with the lady of the house about at all.
twilson117
2 hours ago
I always liked the Marina towers.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL well she has to learn somewhere.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – she should have been a meter maid.
choicelady
2 hours ago
If Cannon wasn’t so unintelligent, she could have just cruised through the process, delaying everything until after the election and have that as her assistance to Trump but going so far overboard on this issue of national and personal security for witnesses who are involved in other investigations, seems so ignorantly reckless.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL that’s giving her far too much credit because I don’t think she even knows what a meter is.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad – there are few more arrogant than those who know little but believe they know everything.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – Yep, I understand not bragging about that in front of your spouse.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – you may be right about that.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Well, Smith is playing the hand he was dealt extremely well when it comes to Cannon.
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW from the moment she was the assigned judge, he knew what was afoot.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – My mother used to live in apartments across from the Marina towers, saw them many times and they were very cool.
AdLib2 hours ago
I looked them up – they are still there.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL, sounds like you’ve heard of her before. spill.
twilson117
2 hours ago
I love Chicago. It does have spectacular architecture.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – It’s the Dunning Kruger effect, being ignorant only makes them more confident that they’renot.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – well, she got in trouble in a pre-Jack Smith case and was censured by the 11th D. Appellate court. Again for favoring Trump. Don’t recall details, but you’d THINK she would have learned from that. But noooooo.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad are you saying they need to hide the lemon juice from Cannon?
twilson117
2 hours ago
I have to say, with all the federal judges in FL, it still hit me as too coincidental that this case was given to Cannon. I think it may have been improperly directed to her.
AdLib2 hours ago
CL Okay, I thought you had some earlier information on her. She made a clear mess of that.
twilson117
2 hours ago
Ad – someone did research and found that nope. Luck of the draw.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Cannon tried to prevent the DoJ from being able to examine and use evidence because she claimed it all had to be decided by a special master that it wasn’t covered by presidential immunity or other rights she was attributing to Trump. The 11th Circuit told her, “No, you’re a moron, that’s not how the law works.”
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad the overall mistake was her being nominated by Trump and put forward by the Federalist Society and the Senate confirming. Do you know what the vote was?
twilson117
2 hours ago
TW – no, I did not ever hear of her until Trump appointed her and McConnell let her be confirmed. She had a track record of NO substance, not EVEN traffic court or overdue library fines.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW – They need to hide forks from Cannon so she doesn’t stab herself in the forehead.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – it was in the first two years when the GOP had the Senate. They all voted for her. I think all the Dems voted against, but majority ruled the day.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad – I can see that. She seems that dim.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Okay, I’ll accept that it was luck of the draw but it sure seems overly coincidental. She was the only judge who could protect Trump like this.
AdLiban hour ago
Well we ALL thought the fix was in, but it really was chance.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – Yes, for most of America, Cannon getting confirmed as a fed judhe was the initial mistake but Trump and the Federalists gamed it out correctly, that she would be a smurf for them, blindly serving their interests with no regard for justice or the law.
AdLiban hour ago
CL that sounds about right. I remember there were some candidates in front of the committee when pressed by Kennedy who couldn’t answer basic questions who dropped out or was asked to drop out. Don’t remember which but even Kennedy was embarrassed by their lack of basic knowledge.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – I would hasten to opine that Cannon doesn’t KNOW the law and thus is the perfect Trump dupe.
choicelady
an hour ago
Cannon needs to be forced to recuse by the 11th Circuit AND disciplined by them for her improper conduct. She needs to be moved to traffic court and even then, it would be bad luck to get her. Has anyone ever heard her speak? I’m curious what she sounds like when trying to sound like a judge.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – I remember that. Cannon isn’t far off that ignorant base.
choicelady
an hour ago
All – the judge in the Placer Juvenile Court debacle Greg and I have been supporting, broke EVERY SINGLE LAW on the CA books. I am not exaggerating. The hubris of judges who are not qualified to have their positions is appalling.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – But like Engoron, judges have aides who help them with researching precedent and proper rulings. Though I’d assume someone as ignorant as Cannon probably hired a cashier from Target who wears a MAGA hat as her aide.
AdLiban hour ago
I think the assistants ARE picked to be dumb.
choicelady
an hour ago
Well the lawyer that was arguing the ballot case was the one that did the Texas Abortion Vigilantly Bounty law.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – That’s awful! And unless it’s such a high profile case like this one, those horrible judges just keep destroying people’s lives with wrong and improper decisions.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad Engoron’s assist is on her way to becoming a judge read that the other day.
twilson117
an hour ago
There is ONE video on a federal appeal – Harwick v Orange County – that was from our Ninth C. in Pasadena CA. No clue why it was videoed, but it is fascinating. County Counsel for Orange Co. is clearly NOT happy to be arguing on CPS’s “right to lie”. She kept beating on the same case that wasn’t germane. The three justices eviscerated her. The plaintiff won. Too many cases of injustice go unchallenged. When they do come to light, it’s stunning how bad courts and public DAs, county counsels are.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – True but that lawyer had the much easier position of asking the SCOTUS not to interfere with the election. The CO lawyers had a nearly impossible task of asking the court to do the right thing despite the outcry that would follow. They don’t want to be in the crosshairs more than they already are so they found reasons in the hearing to back away from their duty to the Constitution.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – Yep, I think Engoron’s aide already ran once for an electoral judgeship. After being a target for Trump, I think Dems will elect her next time and she deserves it.
AdLiban hour ago
Oh speaking of dumbbells, Grabby Bobert isn’t fairing so well in her new district that doesn’t want her. My money is she won’t be returning to Congress.
twilson117
an hour ago
While I think SCOTUS should rule Trump is ineligible to run, I think it would be worse to leave it to the states. Then MAGA and even the ‘worried middle’ would find that unfair. And chaos would erupt after he lost. I’d rather beat his fanny at the polls. Less room for screeching and gun play.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW- I will not bet against you on Boebert.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – That’s refreshing to hear, glad the plaintiff won but as you say, many cases never make it that far and end with an unfair and unethical decision.
AdLiban hour ago
Did you see where Putin used Tuckums like a sock puppet with the interview.
twilson117
an hour ago
Did you see the newest “Trump as a virile, muscled man” ad? It’s jaw dropping. I am NOT making this up. It has Trump saying, “I’ll beat off any man who comes in my face.” Seriously.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – LOVED that Putin held Tuck up to several levels of ridicule.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – is that you?
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – I think you’re right, BoBo is so over, they don’t want her in the new district, she came in 5th in a straw poll. She’s done. You don’t hear much from her anymore. If only MTG could be next but she’s in a very safe red district.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – I’d love for several of these bozos to be voted out.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL yeah when he mentioned to him about not getting into the CIA. That was funny. But with his GPA he wouldn’t have made it at all.
twilson117
an hour ago
MTG has a BA in business. She should NOT be that ignorant. In-DICK-ted? Please!
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – he’s the middle aged white privileged kid who coasted on mummy and daddy’s sufferance and is living to rue the day.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – I appreciate that, if Trump was taken off the ballot, as he really should be by the 14th Amendment since he is a proven seditionist, the first thing red states would do is accuse Biden of being a seditionists, despite zero evidence, and take him off their ballots. If Dems do win Congress and keep the WH, they should absolutely pass a law that lays out exactly how a seditionist is disqualified from the ballot.
AdLiban hour ago
CL she and her former Husband were cited for food poisoning at a food truck they were running.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – one could not keep Biden off EVEN w this SCOTUS, but yes, they would try.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – I really loved that Tucker was stomped and humiliated by Putin. SO perfect! He tried to be Putin’s buddy and Putin shoved him into a locker like the loser nerd Tucker is.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – I thought that was Boebert. It’s so HARD trying to keep the miscreants straight!!
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – Seems that Tuck can’t even butt kiss his way to relevance these days.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad I agree the Trumpers would do everything in the power to knock Biden off the ballot.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL he just needs to retire and go fishing with his kids.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murphy is in the House!!
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – kids? He has kids? OMG.
choicelady
an hour ago
MURPH!!!
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – I’ve seen many graphics portraying Trump as a muscleman, they’re all so ridiculous and just affirm what a cult his followers are. The guy is fat, doesn’t exercise, eats fast food and drinks Diet Cokes…amnd needs to hands to drink from a bittle or glass and can’t walk down ramps! He wears a diaper and uses ifts that force him to lean forward when he stands. He is virtually bald with a ridiculous combover. And he is their Adonis?
AdLiban hour ago
Hey Murph!
AdLiban hour ago
CL yes two. I wrote a piece about him it’s up here on the Planet.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – MAGA wear red hats and rose colored glasses.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – I will find it. I’m not doing much but Twitter these days. I need to get back here.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – I’ve known many people with college diplomas who are more ignorant than other people I know who never finished college. Even morons can get through college, you never know that they had Ds in most classes, just that they made it through 4 years.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – well we used to say of the Harvard-educated anti choice attorney that SOMEONE had to graduate at the bottom of the class.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph’s browser wasn’t letting him post, he’s clearing his cache and restarting his browser, that should fix it.
AdLiban hour ago
Hope so. Tech is not our friend. We have a wonderful “come to your house and fix things” Geek Squad guy, Travis, who always leaves us in good shape. He gets we do public policy not tech because he does tech and not public policy.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – MTG is still oisoning the country.
AdLiban hour ago
CL from the source I used for my article Tucker had a GPA of 2.1 that was rounded up.
twilson117
an hour ago
MTG got ejected from the Freedom Caucus which is about as low as one can go.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – Tuck is one of the dumbest of the dumb.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Right, Biden couldn’t legally be kept off ballots but would Abbott in TX even listen to the SCOTUS or just support the crooked AG there in keeping Biden off? It would’ve been chaos which plays into Trump’s hands so even though I think Trump should’ve been taken off the ballot, probably for the best that he won’t be.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – I agree. The chaos of it isn’t worth the satisfaction.
choicelady
an hour ago
Or vice versa…
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – I’m sure Tuckies was so excited about how he was going to be Putin’s best buddy and help him pervert the election while Putin looked at him as a total fool.
AdLiban hour ago
CL yeah he started taking road trips and drinking letting his grades slide. But he was always an obnoxious little twit.
twilson117
an hour ago
Am I here?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – I imagine Tuck was horrified.
choicelady
an hour ago
Yes I am!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
MURPH – yes, you’re here’
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph you made it. let the party begin.
twilson117
an hour ago
Welcome back to this dimension, Murph!
AdLiban hour ago
Whi has the mojitos?
choicelady
an hour ago
I have been following the discussion but could not post.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
who has..
choicelady
an hour ago
Hello Ad, CL and Tw
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I’m so sorry, but you’re here now.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph I understand there has been some interesting things going on in Show Me Country.
twilson117
an hour ago
Just a question….everyone here is talking about how Biden came across last night and today as a senile old man. It is everywhere.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – Yep, a degree is no confirmation of intelligence. Even idiots like Don Jr. get them.
AdLiban hour ago
Do you think that this may do him in?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – How funny, Tuckums was a D student, exactly what I thought.
AdLiban hour ago
The Special Counsel, in the GOP tradition, pulled a Clinton Sabotage on him.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph yeah we’ve touched on that. Look he’s four years older than me, and I whish I could do just 1/10th of what he had done.
twilson117
an hour ago
His press conference didn’t, but the media are cherry picking the report. I’ve read some of it, and the MAIN focus of it was exoneration on the documents.
choicelady
an hour ago
choicelady
an hour ago
TW….I have the same level of respect for him as you do.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph well I just did a Biden thing he’s 6 years older than me, just goes to show we all make mistakes.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL…agreed but cherry picking is what they do…….
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – The MAGAs are all crowing about the Hur slander but the rest of the country doesn’t seem to be going overboard about it, lots of pushback against it in the MSM.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – same here. And he is rebutting it calmly and fully. As with EVERYTHING, this will pass. I now worry about a GOP “october surprise”
choicelady
an hour ago
Will there be a move to find another candidate.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – our enemy are the media.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – NO, i am quite sure they DNC won’t. We went through this w HRC, and we are stronger, wiser, and less wussy than 2016.
choicelady
an hour ago
Most media benefit from bad news and chaos….is there a better source of that than trumps?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph I don’t believe the Dems will do that.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – trump will move in to fill the slavering media void. He can’t help himself.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…..I still recall the state of shock I was in on the night Hillary lost.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – yup. Although I wasn’t. I seriously feared that could happen.
choicelady
an hour ago
Hope you all are correct…..I have not seen so much energy and out right joy among the MAGA crowd in years.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
The anti Trump, anti MAGA, anti corruption movement is huge this time.
choicelady
an hour ago
As some have said, this was another Comey move to “make it up to” the RW for not being able to find a crime, just as was tried with Hillary. This goes 100% against DoJ policy and was a political action. At least this time, unlike when Comey did the same to Hillary, many in the media arepushing back and even calling it another “but Hillary’s emails”.
AdLiban hour ago
CL I agree with you whole heartly on the media being the problem they are the ones blowing this out of proportion. They don’t do it on the same level for Trump and Trump is much worse than Biden.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – MAGA are on the skids. Their joy is regional (unfortunately for you) and loud but not large.
choicelady
an hour ago
Why did Garland lie this report pass through.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Biden has a speech impediment for which he needs to be careful.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….yes and he does come across as much older than Trump….his physicality is aged.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
This country has an infinity with John Wayne problem.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – No legit Dems are moved by this ploy to not back Biden, it was clearly a political attack. Yes, we all know Biden is old but we also know Trump is an insane criminal. And in a month, no one will be talking about this attack on Biden but Trump will be prosecuted for crimes by Alvin Bragg (the case begins next month) and that will take up all the oxygen in the media.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – a special counsel has autonomy. AGs don’t control the report. BARR violated the law and ethics of the DOJ by screwing w the Mueller Report. That is NOT the norm. Comey screwed with the bar on investigations within 90 days of an election. The AG can’t interfere w a special counsel, but Loretta Lynch should have fired Comey.
choicelady
an hour ago
Today Trumps Lady In Waiting Judge in FL gave. him another free pass.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – we were talking about how Cannon is heading for removal. She is violating every protocol on the books.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – My theory is that Garland thought it would appear like he was neddling in the investigation if he censored the outrageous slurs in the report. I think he made the wrong decision but that’s my theory.
AdLiban hour ago
CL….so the dems play by the rules and lose…..
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – AGs are not allowed to interfere w Special Prosecutors.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph we have a nice little traffic court for her being set up where she will be when Smith gets through with her for this stunt she is trying to pull.
twilson117
an hour ago
I think Garland needs to step forward because right now among the things flying about is that his silence indicates his agreement.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I dont think we lose doing it legally. We ARE more exhausted, but it’s worth establishing legitimacy.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Right, but Gartland could have at least discussed the report with Hur and made a point that his personal attacks were against DoJ policy. Maybe he did.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – he can’t. Hur lies outside his control.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW….how will smith be able to take her down.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
NO – the AG is in a hands off role with special prosecutors.
choicelady
an hour ago
Garland needs to state that the Hur’s report is sullied by those slurs and that he was out of line re DOJ standards
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – he MIGHT be able to say that. Not sure. WE need to remind everyone Hur is a JD not an MD.
choicelady
an hour ago
She is asking for smith to revel witnesses that as soon as their names come out they will start to receive the Trump harassment treatment and endanger the case. I don’t see Smith letting that happen and as I said earlier I bet on it that he has an appeal ready to go and all he has to do is push the send button.
twilson117
an hour ago
Does anyone recall how freely Starr said what he said? We curtailed some of that, but the AG is not supposed to mix in.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…another reason that Garland needs to make his position clear….a JD acting as an MD
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – agreed. Smith will appeal to the 11th immediately because what Cannon is doing is itself a legal violation I believe.
choicelady
an hour ago
How can the FL judge be shot out of a cannon.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Let’s be clear about the national narritive that will be going on for the foreseeable future.. Trump has the hush money case in March through May or later, the 1/6 case should be cleared to start (after immunity is dunked by SCOTUS soon) in around June and right after that, in August or September, the Fulton County case should be starting up. Wall to wall Trump criminality will be in the news as the cases expose more horrible things he’s said and done than we know now. No one is going to even remember Hur’s slurs against Biden after all that AND don’t forget, Hur cleared Biden of any crimes so he’s free and clear of any criminal investigations…unlike Trump.
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – I think she’s doing it to herself.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….say more please…
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – those are good points. Lost in this was a major bust by the FBI of a group looking to bomb court houses. (I think I got that right.) THIS – a Tim McVeigh type action – is what I fear.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad….good summary….makes me feel better.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph if someone was to ask me right now the date my son died, it would take me some time because I will have to first deal with the pain of him not being here and compose myself because its a pain that never goes away. So for the jerk to put that in a report was beyond the pail from my perspective. There are two pieces of paper one that makes you happy and one that rips your heart out. So for that idiot to do what he did he should be horsed whipped.
twilson117
44 minutes ago
Murph – in high security cases or even mob trials where witness security is paramount, the standard if not the law, requires judges to protect the identities of witnesses as a FIRST priority. If the 11th chastises her AGAIN as it did before, she can be removed.
choicelady
43 minutes ago
I went to a school board meeting tonight…….asked to attend to provide support….it was a nightmare….most aggressive crowd I have seen in quite a while. Revved up by last night?
MurphTheSurf3
43 minutes ago
Murph – Loose Cannon WRONGLY claimed a rule to expose the names of witnesses who are not only involved in her case but other investigations, can be revealed. This is flat out a wrong ruling, hugely wrong and goes against what judges are supposed to do. Tonight, at 5pm, instead of pausing things she declared that Smith must provide all those unredacted names to Trump before the ned of tomorrow! This is outrageously wrong and Smith now has what he needs to go to the 11th Circuit and get her overturned and very possibly, replaced.
AdLib43 minutes ago
TW – that’s powerfully said. Thank you.
choicelady
43 minutes ago
CL it’s not an easy thing, and I say the pain in President Biden’s eyes when he was addressing it.
twilson117
41 minutes ago
CL and Ad….thanks for the briefing…let’s see what the 11th does.
MurphTheSurf3
41 minutes ago
I was horrified at what the press did last night.
MurphTheSurf3
41 minutes ago
CL – Yes, I saw that story and unfortunately, I think it represents that we mayu eventually see groups and lone wolf seditionists use violence to amp up the chaos before the election. But I also think the fact that the FBI caught these guys represents that they are really aggressive about seeking out and stopping these enemies of America.
AdLib40 minutes ago
All – Cannon is so in error on witness safety it’s beyond belief. For her NOT to know this is appalling. I think she does know it, rests on a non-germane bit of law her MAGA Target clerk clerk dredged up, and thinks she’s done a “gotcha'” to Smith. She hasn’t.
choicelady
40 minutes ago
Murph have they taken to book burning yet?
twilson117
40 minutes ago
TW – I’m sorry about your son. No one can relate to this situation than you and I expect the cruelty of Hur to attack Biden through the son he lost is even more disgusting.
AdLib38 minutes ago
When I was doing the FBI citizens’ academy training, that was a top focus for us. Dealing w domestic terrorists. They did NOT tell us how, but it was clear they infiltrate. I worked w a man who was an undercover operative who got to be the top Klan Dragon – had tats to show. He was looking for ways to get them removed! But the subversive groups mostly all are infiltrated. Thank goodness!
choicelady
38 minutes ago
TW….when I walked through the door I was handed a three page, single space list of the “pornographic” books that my high school was giving to students…..lies and misrepresentations….but it really riled up the crowd. The meeting was out of control from the start. It was adjourned in a panic. Not good.
MurphTheSurf3
38 minutes ago
Murph – what books were on the list do you know?
choicelady
37 minutes ago
TW…you know the pain that Biden know.
MurphTheSurf3
37 minutes ago
TW – yes, everyone who has lost someone knows that pain. Thank you for sharing it.
choicelady
37 minutes ago
I have the list…..many classics, some edgy books and some outright lies.
MurphTheSurf3
36 minutes ago
CL – And for Cannon to try to force Smith to provide witness names to Trump in less than 24 hours so he can’t appeal to the 11th Circuit is a huge slap in the face of the 11th Circuit and justice. I think they will stomp her flat for this.
AdLib36 minutes ago
Murph – figures. The list is compiled, no doubt, from rumors not actual reading.
choicelady
36 minutes ago
CL…I suspect the list is wall paper that the movement passes among its cells.
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
Smith can file no matter what.’
choicelady
35 minutes ago
Ad for anyone to have lost a child. You believe you will go before them because that’s the law of nature. So yeah to have heard that I sort of took it a bit personally and I’m willing to bet a lot of other people have as well. Let’s not forget what was the cause of his son’s death cancer from the burn pits he was around while overseas doing his duty for this country.
twilson117
35 minutes ago
CL – That’s very enlightening! Glad to know how aggressive the FBI is in infiltrating and stopping hate groups from attacking the country.
AdLib35 minutes ago
Murph – no question.
choicelady
35 minutes ago
Ad….will Cannon hold Smith in contempt if he fails to give out the list.
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
Murph – she can try, but he can file tonight, tomorrow. That stops the clock on her.
choicelady
34 minutes ago
CL……good……what a tool she is.
MurphTheSurf3
34 minutes ago
She thinks she’s smart. She isn’t.
choicelady
34 minutes ago
I envision her with her buds having drinks and costly dinners with her smugly thinking she’s “got” Smith. The bigger the ego, the bigger the fall.
choicelady
33 minutes ago
TW – Very good points and again, I can’t even imagine how difficult it’s been for you. I do think many will show more support for Biden after this awful, cruel attack. And as you say, his son died of cancer from those pits while serving his nation and all of us. Nobility. And Trump’s sons steal from charities. Sure, let’s compare sons, MSM.
AdLib32 minutes ago
CL I have to agree with you on that.
twilson117
32 minutes ago
Sorry folks – someone’s at the door, and it’s another homeless crisis. I will see you all next week. Have a GREAT week, all. Hugs all around.
choicelady
31 minutes ago
Bye CL
MurphTheSurf3
31 minutes ago
What a champion she is of the homeless……so admirable.
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
Murph – I think Cannon could try to sanction Smith but I think the 11th Circuit will preempt that and Smith knows it. I don’t doubt Smith will include in his appeal to the 11th that she tried to circumvent the 11th and I think they’ll be pissed off at her.
AdLib30 minutes ago
Ad, yes, now that would make a great campaign ad. But Biden wouldn’t allow it, because he is something that Trump will never be Joe Biden is a man of principle and a gentleman on the first order.
twilson117
30 minutes ago
CL take care.
twilson117
30 minutes ago
Ad….how can she be removed.
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
Agreed, CL is so remarkable, walks the walk!
AdLib30 minutes ago
TW….I think your reading of Biden is spot on……you are on his wavelength.
MurphTheSurf3
29 minutes ago
TW – Agreed, Biden wouldn’t use his lost son for political gain, he is a man of principle. But it won’t be necessary, Trump will sink of his own hefty and criminal weight.
AdLib29 minutes ago
Murph – Smith can appeal to the 11th to force Cannon to recuse after listing the repeated errors and lapses in judgement she’s had. I thought he would need to have more instances but this one is so egregious, he may be able to use this situation alone. That said, he may wait for more ammo before making the move to replace her.
AdLib27 minutes ago
Trump is mentally disturbed as we have so often discussed and let’s face he is getting worse every day. If we think about he’s projecting all his faults on to Biden.
twilson117
27 minutes ago
Side note…I got to speak to the office manager at Al Green’s Washington Office the morning after his stunning appearance and vote casting. We had a very nice chat. I shall be supporting him in future elections.
MurphTheSurf3
27 minutes ago
TW – You raise another great point, They may be trying to bury Biden with charges of senility but with the rapid decline Trump is going through, he could easily and spectacularly grab the senility spotlight for himself.
AdLib26 minutes ago
Thanks Ad. Helpful.
MurphTheSurf3
26 minutes ago
TW….Trump projecting…yes, that fits.
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
And if I was advising Biden’s campaign, I’d suggest they keep putting up video of Trump rambling and slurring his speech at each rally as seems to constantly be the case. He did it again tonight.
AdLib25 minutes ago
Ad…from your pen to their minds…..
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
Murph – Very cool! And talk about a quiet hero! Al Green showed such self-sacrifice on behalf of the many in America. Really impressed by him.
AdLib24 minutes ago
Ad it’s like we’ve discussed before he’s projecting. Also he is following the old saying about saying something often enough people will start to believe it.
twilson117
24 minutes ago
I do think the Biden people and the Dems in general need to dig into Trump Muck and make it known far and wide.
MurphTheSurf3
24 minutes ago
Murph there are a lot of pundits and pollsters who agree with you on that.
twilson117
22 minutes ago
Ad…it was accidental….someone answered….I presumed it would be a line staffer but in our chat she identified herself. She asked about me and my political life here and stated that I lived a life like those who support Green…on hostile territory.
MurphTheSurf3
22 minutes ago
All Trump and Repubs do is project. When they talk about cheating in elections, they do it. When they talk about Biden (and Obama before him) being dictators, it’s they who want to be dictators. And when they accuse Biden of senility, it’s because Trump’s senility is accelerating. Biden holds press conferences and TRUMP DOESN’T! He only gives speeches at rallies and in front of courthouses, he is afraid and incapable of speaking and being asked questions by the press. Because his senility has advanced that much.
AdLib21 minutes ago
Murph – Very cool conversation and that she really related to you being a blue dot in a sea of toxic red.
AdLib20 minutes ago
Ad there is a part of me that believes the Biden campaign has a very well detailed plan for dealing with Trump. But it’s us who want them to strike back when the Trump fools attack because we’ve accepted him as our guy and have a sense of dignity about respect for knowledgeable people.
twilson117
19 minutes ago
Ad…..you would be great as a campaign strategist.
MurphTheSurf3
19 minutes ago
TW…..that is a good reading of the overall situation I think.
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
And don’t forget, on top of the rest of the year being one prosecution of Trump after another, and a constant stream of headlines about Trump’s criminal acts, next week he probably gets hit with hundreds of millions in a judgement that also strips him of Trump Org and dissolves it. Trump will be so beaten down by November, I think he loses by a big margin as will the GOP nationally.
AdLib18 minutes ago
Ad,,,I want, desperately, to grab onto your vision and hold it close.
MurphTheSurf3
17 minutes ago
Murph it’s the media that is the problem when it comes to Biden I believe. They are always looking for the negative story, it plays better and makes for getting eyeballs on the headlines. Sort of like Yabbez.
twilson117
16 minutes ago
Murph – Thanks for that! My personal opinion is that Biden should take away the “old” issue from Trump and the Repubs, saying, “I am old and I may not remember everything as I did when I was young but I have amassed so much wisdom and I am filled with a sense of duty and compassion for the American people which I will continue to use to serve every American and make life better for all of us.”
AdLib16 minutes ago
TW…I wonder why the media do not do the same with Trump?
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
Murph. and that is the question!
twilson117
15 minutes ago
Ad…as I stated…..you would have a lot to offer a campaign.
MurphTheSurf3
15 minutes ago
Trump tonight on stage said it was Saturday afternoon, three times, when it was tonight……where is the press.
MurphTheSurf3
14 minutes ago
Murph – You know I have a pretty good track record. Watch what happens next week, Trump will be crushed financially, between the E. Jean Carroll $83 Million and the Engoron $300 million or so, and Trump Org dissolved, he will lose his mind and know that he will be seen as a massive loser…the one thing he absolutely can’t stand.
AdLib14 minutes ago
Ad…..I am counting on your wisdom, your vision, and your track record.
MurphTheSurf3
13 minutes ago
Murph – The MSM has done its best to look the other way as much as possible when Trump exhibits his dementia but the mixing up of Haley and Pelosi got a bit of play. I think Trump will spiral down exponentially as he’s crushed with trial after trial and the MSM will reluctantly report his mental collapse.
AdLib12 minutes ago
Murph I wondering if the reason main stream media (NY Time, WaPo, Huff and others) don’t cover Trump the same as they do Biden when it comes to mistakes is their pretense to be fair and balanced?
twilson117
12 minutes ago
TW…pretense….yes….
MurphTheSurf3
12 minutes ago
Well friends the witching hour is upon me. See you next week …. hopefully with the sign in dram
MurphTheSurf3
10 minutes ago
Murph there will be a lot more negative stories about Biden coming from the Baltimore Sun, now that it’s been bought by the owner of OANN. You can bet our bottom dollar on that. And the Sun won 16 Pulitzers for journalism.
twilson117
9 minutes ago
Murph – Thanks pal. You know I’m not a wild-eyed optimist, I’m not looking for the best possible future, just what’s most likely to be true. Trump is losing it, as you noted, today is Friday and he kept saying it was Saturday. Not a huge thing but it’s every night now. And the criminal trials are happening. As is the Engoron decision and the Carroll decision already happened. This will be the most destructive year for Trump in his entire life and putting that on him in addition to the humiliation, the desperation to escape prison, and the beating he’s taking in trial after trial, it would break most reasonable men, I think it will break this maniac too.
AdLib9 minutes ago
Hey Murph good to see you here stay safe.
twilson117
8 minutes ago
TW….Baltimore Sun was once a beacon of truth telling. Yes and now it rides upon cesspool.
MurphTheSurf3
8 minutes ago
Murph – Glad you made it on Vix tonight! You had an eventful week, thanks for sharing some of it with us. Have a restful weekend, lots to do this year!
AdLib8 minutes ago
Murph you’re right.
twilson117
8 minutes ago
Doesn’t matter how loud the RW media tries to be in attacking Biden, nothing competes with the media circus of an ex-president and current candidate being tried for crimes.
AdLib7 minutes ago
Add…if you are accurate in this, and you are accurate in so much what you write, then it will be a very good year.
MurphTheSurf3
7 minutes ago
Murph – Just saw that a poll came out showing generic Dems beating Repubs in The House. First time this year, it’s only getting better for Dems and Biden.
AdLib6 minutes ago
Well…I need to head to bed but I will dream of Dems fortunes rising as GOP fortunes fall.
MurphTheSurf3
5 minutes ago
Good night.
MurphTheSurf3
5 minutes ago
Take care Murph
twilson117
5 minutes ago
And next week (?) I think the election to fill Snatos’ seat comes up which a Dem may very well win, making it closer for Dems to take over The House!
AdLib5 minutes ago
Up for a chat>
AdLib4 minutes ago
Will call you in a bit. But before I go one more tech question why does all my comments go to the right and I see yours on the right?
twilson117
4 minutes ago
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]]>I don’t worry about that despite the warnings from nervous people on what they have to say about Siri and Alexa. I frankly don’t care if these paired-down AI functions are collecting information. What they would get from me would be tedious and confusing at best.
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]]>For example, every cell phone conceivably can spy on you. Perhaps you’ve had people over to your house and asked Alexa or Siri to check something out for you and gotten a comment along these lines:
“You keep that active all the time?”
“Yes, I like to be able to ask it something as it’s quicker than me looking it up.”
“Don’t you know you should turn that off when you’re not using it? It can track all your conversations?”
“Well, good for them because my conversations range from dull to inconsequential to pretty damn exciting, back to being dull. So whoever is listening in, I hope they enjoy the conversation.”
When these conversations take place, I find myself wondering what the hell the person is thinking. Do they believe Alexa or Siri will report the conversation to Colossus, the computer in the movie The Forbin Project? Or maybe Big Brother of George Orwell’s 1984, but given the rash of book banning, I could see a version of Montag from Fahrenheit 451 knocking on my door demanding to see my library collection.
After all, I have some horrifying stuff that screams spy throughout the pages written by Thomas Pane, Abraham Lincoln, Richard Wright, James Baldwin, and W.E.B. Du Bois, not to mention Frank Herbert, Ayn Rand, Benjamin Franklin, and others. Montag would indeed have a wonderful day.
But I don’t worry about that despite the warnings from nervous people on what they have to say about Siri and Alexa. I frankly don’t care if these paired-down AI functions are collecting information. What they would get from me would be tedious and confusing at best.
The only people I can think of who would care about my eclectic library might be Ron DeSantis and Christopher Rufo, primarily if they found out about the catalog of books on DE&I.
Siri and Alexa could provide such information to those who cared about such things. But I have to say these systems don’t come close to what is happening in Mumbai, India. With a population of 22 million, there must be all sorts of secrets, conspiracies, plots, illicit activities, and outright subversion of the highest order, which people would like to know about.
Espionage is a lucrative and dangerous business. For some countries, it’s how they make technological advances, crush their citizens, and, in a way, play the James Bond and Ethan Hunt spy game we love to see in Bond and Mission Impossible movies.
Fortunes are made and lost, as well as wars, through this practice, and an excellent, effective spy is worth their weight in gold. But it’s dangerous and, if found, could lead to death or being thrown into prison, forgotten by one’s country unless traded for something or someone of value. Overall, spying is a dangerous game that can lead to loss of life or a lifetime in prison.
So, why write about espionage? Well, let’s begin with a quote from this article:
“China’s government is probably behind an anonymous group that has been cyber-spying on Indian companies and officials for close to [a] decade now, American security experts say.”—Quartz April 13, 2015
Also, consider the following quote:
Two officials at Pakistan’s high commission have been expelled for “espionage activities,” India’s foreign ministry said late on Sunday, allegations its nuclear-armed rival called “baseless.”
The ministry said: “The government has declared both these officials persona non grata for indulging in activities incompatible with their status as members of a diplomatic mission.”
The pair had to leave the country within 24 hours, and Pakistan’s charge d’affaires was issued with a “strong protest” over their alleged activities, the ministry said. –The Guardian May 31, 2020
Okay, take a moment and consider these two spy cases and ask yourself the following questions:
Now that you have some insight, check out the headline from this HuffPost Story: Pigeon Suspected Of Being Chinese Spy, Cleared By Indian Police.
What gave the pigeon away to the authorities?
How did they catch this spy pigeon?
Have you ever tried to catch a pigeon when you were a kid? It’s not that easy.
What was the clue that this particular pigeon was a spy?
Was it cooing in Mandarin or Cantonese?
How could they tell?
Here is the most critical question: where did the spy pigeon hide its Walther PPK?
Oh wait, this was a Chinese spy pigeon. It wouldn’t have a Walther PPK but an M77B, but the question still stands: where did the spy pigeon hide it? And how does it point and shoot?
But, for the moment, let’s not focus on weapons and capture; consider the following:
“The pigeon’s ordeal began in May when it was captured near a port in Mumbai with two rings tied to its legs, carrying words that looked like Chinese. Police suspected it was involved in espionage.”
What was the purpose of keeping the pigeon for eight months? Did they think it would become a stool pigeon?
Okay, I know that was bad, but don’t lie; you were thinking it.
“Eventually, it turned out the pigeon was an open-water racing bird from Taiwan that had escaped and made its way to India. With police permission, the bird was transferred to the Bombay Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, whose doctors set it free on Tuesday.”
Okay, now, we can say the spy pigeon did fly the coop.
So, while people rail against the evils of Alexa and Siri spying on me and recording everything I say or don’t say, hell, it may be listening to my typing and using an AI-generated algorithm to figure out what I’m writing about and preparing a death ray to shoot out from my phone when I decided on the music I want to play. Or worse, replace my Bony James selection for the Sax and replace it with Kenny G, who I can’t stand.
When and if Alexa does that, is when I will worry about this limited AI tool. But for the moment, I have no problem leaving it active. As I said, I sometimes ask Alexa to provide some information instead of typing on my keyboard because she is faster than me.
But after having read the HuffPost article on the Chinese Spy Pigeon, the next time I see one, I will pay more attention because you will never know if it’s just a plain ole regular pigeon or one with secret recording devices.
Funny, I’ve always thought pigeons were shifty, but now, I know it’s true.
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]]>Testing from yacht club pinkpantheroz 5 hours ago Testing from the non-yacht non-club. Hey PPO! AdLib3 hours ago Hey CL! AdLib2 hours ago You two are a hoot. Should do Vauldville choicelady 2 hours ago He Ad. Where’d PPO go? Good to see YOU. choicelady 2 hours ago Heh! You and TW should join us! […]
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]]>Testing from yacht club
pinkpantheroz
5 hours ago
Testing from the non-yacht non-club. Hey PPO!
AdLib3 hours ago
Hey CL!
AdLib2 hours ago
You two are a hoot. Should do Vauldville
choicelady
2 hours ago
He Ad. Where’d PPO go? Good to see YOU.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Heh! You and TW should join us!
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey TW!
AdLib2 hours ago
Good evening everyone
twilson117
2 hours ago
Just watching and listening to the strike the US carried out, lot going on over there.
twilson117
2 hours ago
So the Jack Smith 1/6 case is off the calendar until the 2nd Circuit gets off its butt and rules on immunity but that allows the Bragg case, also a criminal case, push forward in March.
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – I’ve been out, where did the US strike?
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – PPO and Ad were suggesting we could do Vaudeville. I can do a ‘ball and change” but that’s about it. The two of them are the slap and tickle comics IMHO.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad – I heard a bit on MSNBC and couldn’t get the geography clear in my mind.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – Together though, we’d all make quite a show!
AdLib2 hours ago
TW – we will get the SOB one way or another.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – that we would!
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad in part of Iraq that seem to count to the US but I’ve been snoozing a bit some didn’t get all the names.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL a vaudeville act that sounds good.
twilson117
an hour ago
NYT Headline: U.S. Strikes Over 85 Targets at 7 Sites in Iraq and Syria Against Iran’s Forces and Proxies
AdLiban hour ago
Hey Harleigh!
AdLiban hour ago
Harleigh is in the house.
twilson117
an hour ago
OK question – if SCOTUS allows states – some states – to take Yam Man off the ballot for insurrection and other choose to keep him, is that not WORSE for everyone with the Cult declaring – actually rightly – that the Fix was In. Seems to me it’s EVERYONE taking him off or NO ONE taking him off.
choicelady
an hour ago
Harleigh – How are you surviving the return of DeLoser to the state?
AdLiban hour ago
hey folks!
Harleigh
an hour ago
HARLEIGH!!! Hi, our dear friend.
choicelady
an hour ago
he is silent… all those million$$$ for 25,000 votes
Harleigh
an hour ago
hi cl
Harleigh
an hour ago
DeSantis lost more expensively than anyone I can recall.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL are you suggesting the courts will cut the baby in half?
twilson117
an hour ago
Howdy Doody!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph is in the house!
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – If the SCOTUS allows Trump to taken off any ballots, it means they agree that Trump is not qualified to hold the office of President. Thus, the GOP will be in the biggest bind. Their nominee is not eligible to become president even if he won enough electors. So at that point, the GOP will be forced to choose someone else, Trump will go insane and demand his MAGAs write him in as an independent and the GOP will be reduced to ashes.
AdLiban hour ago
Hey Murph!
AdLiban hour ago
TW – I actually hope not. It’s either he’s violated the 14th or he hasn’t. If we have Biden win we 50 but Trump is off a handful of ballots and loses, the RW really WILL believe the fix is in. I think it’s dangerous. All or nothing.
choicelady
an hour ago
hi murph
Harleigh
an hour ago
MURPH!!!
choicelady
an hour ago
Hello one and all……had an exciting week with the rescue and aid group I am working with for women who have the gall to think that their bodies are theirs! Imagine!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Another realization. If Smith’s 1/6 case against Trump takes place and has a verdict before the election, which I think it will, then Trump will be convicted of crimes involving a conspiracy to defraud the country in elections. This is a definite de-qualifier under the 14th Amendment. Wouldn’t a guilty verdict in the Smith case cause a new action by states to remove his name since circumstances have changed and he’s now been found guilty? And wouldn’t the SCOTUS have a hard time denying it if Trump is convicted of a sedition-supporting crime (remember, “aid and comfort” is all a court has to find to kick Trump off the ballot)?
AdLiban hour ago
OK – to shift the conversation entirely, I am coming through MA and IL in late April, early May. I’m going back to MA and RI to scatter my ex’s ashes. I have Murph’s email, but I’d love yours, TW so MAYBE I can meet up with you guys. I thought it was easy enough to drop down to St. Louis area, too. Lunch, dinner meet up – may have my hubs with me. May be alone based on his work schedule – but I might not get that way again and would love to see you guys.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL I get your point. I’m of the opinion he should be off and the country will have to deal with the fall out, but something tells me if it did happen that way we could work our way through it just fine.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – DO TELL! What happened???
choicelady
an hour ago
Stinky Spanky is losing so many $million$$ so fast and has so many court dates I can’t keep up.
Harleigh
an hour ago
Harleigh – DeLoser now holds the record for the most spent per actual vote received and most thrown away on the shortest candidacy. The biggest loser!
AdLiban hour ago
Harleigh – the prospect of a broke Trump makes me smile.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…would love to work out a way for us to meet up in St. Louis….that would be neutral territory (LOL)!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL would love to do that. We can work that out through Ad if he doesn’t mind. He has my information.
twilson117
an hour ago
Or Alton IL – the start for MY family’s move into becoming conductors on Owen Lovejoy’s underground railroad. I’m good wherever we meet.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Just saying, if SCOTUS allows Trump to be removed from ballots, it’s because they’ve found him ineligible to hold the office of president under the 14th Amendment. At that point, his run is over, he can never hold office or win anymore than someone not born a natural citizen or someone under 35. It’s over for Trump if SCOTUS upholds the CO ballot ejection.
AdLiban hour ago
CL…..the group has made an arrangement with several clinics in Illinois that do procedures. Those clinics are being both generous and brave. I am the liaison with them from our group to them. It involves very careful communication and lots of back and forth travel.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – That is my dream – they find he’s ineligible ANYWHERE. If they find individual states can make their own choice – THAT is a disaster.
choicelady
an hour ago
Haleigh a broke Trump would be a good think I beleive.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – Happy to share emails if all give the thumbs up!
AdLiban hour ago
Ad…big thumbs up.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad I’m okay with it.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – you are the MAN. Thank you for this!
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….the group sought me out because of the Co-op work.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW and I are the only two who do NOT have each other’s email, so yeah – thumbs up!!!
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph you’re doing the right thing.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – BAM. Of course they did.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW and CL….many thanks….it is more than a little scary though….
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Desewer not only is the biggest loser ever but his nutbag wife was a huge part of his strategy and massive defeat. And they had to read what low opinions everybody has of them.
Harleigh
an hour ago
Murph – does MO have a “do not travel” ban?
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – SCOTUS can’t find individual states can remove Trump from the ballot without acknowledging their constitutional right to do so is given under the 14th Amendment…which would declare Trump ineligible for the presidency. Any approval by SCOTUS to any state removing Trump is a statement that Trump is ineligible, end of story.
AdLiban hour ago
CL…nor formally.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph I’m sure it is. Especially with crowd that is around you.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – I think you are correct, but in this day of extreme cowardice? SCOTUS is not brave.
choicelady
an hour ago
Harleigh…what is conversation on the ground about DeSantis……he is term limited is he not?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad but, but, but we know he is.
twilson117
an hour ago
Harleigh – DeLoser’s wife, Jackie Oh-No, has the blood of his campaign on her hands. Spending all that money on private jets instead of ads? She’s a lunatic.
AdLiban hour ago
Harleigh I have to believe Desuckis is in a foul mood.
twilson117
an hour ago
I wonder what kind of conversation is taking place among the justices. I see our Dem justices as taking the big issue to them- what obligation do they owe to the Constitution and what legacy do they want to be remembered for?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Desewer is term limited and has run out of voters here
Harleigh
an hour ago
Harleigh….I know nothing of the wife.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
We live in perilous times.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Just simple legal principle. Trump has the constitutional right to run for the presidency on all state ballots unless he is ineligible. SCOTUS would have to recognize he’s ineligible to allow states to remove him from the ballot. If A then B.
AdLiban hour ago
his wife is on a par with MTG
Harleigh
an hour ago
Murph this is where their stance on originalism has come back and kicked in the backside.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – knowing little to nothing of Casey DeSantis is a blessing. Trust the rest of us on this.
choicelady
an hour ago
Harleigh….I have a friend who works at Disney at the corporate level….he told me that ALL of the theme parts are aligned in opposition to DeSantis….and they have the muscle to make that mean something.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Oooo Harleigh – you JUST made me the happiest person! Hearing Disney can kick DeSantis butt? Priceless!
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….I am going to have to look her up.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Right CL, she’s a total POS. Desewer is a little shit and wears elevators to appear to be 5’11” LOL
Harleigh
an hour ago
Sorry – Murph to Harliegh.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL that’s what he gets for messing the Mouse and the Duck
twilson117
an hour ago
CL…..hah! I am happy to sharewith Harleigh.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Harleigh – I think losing in the presidential primary made him happy – he doesn’t have to go tippy toe anymore.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – our long ago slogan on De Santis and Disney was the Mouse beat the Rat.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – Most of the RW SCOTUS judges don’t care about the law, precedent or principle. They are idealogues who won’t hesitate to rule as their politics dictate, even without legal principle. But perhaps a majority will agree that refusing to enforce the constitution now and if it led to Trump coming in as a dictator, the rest of the constitution would be torn up in the aftermath and the SCOTUS would be a meaningless appendage to a dictator.
AdLiban hour ago
yep
Harleigh
an hour ago
Harleigh elevators in his boots, good one.
twilson117
an hour ago
Until last week, Ad, Kavanaugh was on the good side when it came to protecting the Constitution. But we still have 5-4 and maybe K. will grow a spine again as he did before.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW!! It’s true!! The funniest of his bullshit was clomping around in white rubber boots with his lifts. hahahaha
Harleigh
an hour ago
Universal Studios carry a lot of weight in no small part because it is not know for support of progressive causes which means their threats were not easily ignored….their case….the Governor is interfering in private business and make Florida a hostile environment. Disney, Universal, and Busch all suspended build out projects because of the threat posed. Made many people unhappy.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Harleigh yeah what the heck was that about he looked so damn stupid.
twilson117
an hour ago
I’m disappointed that my joy over Trump getting crushed in the E. Jean Carroll case and about to be destroyed by the Engoron ruling has distracted me from celebrating how DeSantis and his wife were crushed like bugs and have to be whimpering after their meglomaniac dreams were so quickly and massively crushed.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad….I wonder how those right wing justices are responding to Texas telling them to shove their decision re. the border where the sun does not shine.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad it just a bundle of riches isn’t it.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – I hope that SCOTUS who are Trump appointees might also look forward to cutting the ties between themselves and Trump by ruling correctly and to protect the constitution and the country.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – there will always be room to celebrate the downfall of De Santises.
choicelady
an hour ago
The justices who do not act to protect the constitution will be joined at the hip to Trump and ignominy will follow.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – until last week, ALL SCOTUS outside of Thomas and Alito could be counted on to put country first. Now, two more asshats have sold out.
choicelady
an hour ago
he was supposedly surveying some storm damage or some shit…. He is maybe 5’7″ he was teetering around in those stupid things. hilarious. Spanky is maybe 6’0″ and his thick soled shoes and lifts make him maybe 6’3″, and 285 pounds or more.
Harleigh
an hour ago
Harliegh any truth to the rumor if you pour water on Destupid he will start to melt?
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – Great point! The RW SCOTUS judges would have to know that TX is telling them their decisions don’t matter anymore and meanwhile, Trump is laying out an overthrow of the government if he was to win, which clearly would make the SCOTUS moot and powerless. They really should see that this is an existential decision for them, they protect Trump and throw The Constitution under the bus, they’re next.
AdLiban hour ago
Harleigh…..what an ego that man has…..so many in the GOP are meglomaniacs
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
AD….E-X-A-C-T-L-Y
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
LOL tw
Harleigh
an hour ago
Ad sound like Texas is trying to pull and Andrew Jackson,
twilson117
an hour ago
Did you hear the Trump interview where he said the roaring economy is roaring because THEY know is going to be elected…….how can anyone with any sense have any confidence in this stupid madman.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – All 6 RW justices have proven they are willing to negate precedent, legal requirements and the Constituion so it is highly in doubt if SCOTUS will follow the 14th Amendment as written. Are they too blind to see their necks are under the guilotine if they break the Constitution and give Trump the opportunity to overthrow our democracy?
AdLiban hour ago
And ya know….I like Biden more and more.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Mexico said if they had to take back TX then they would declare wr and withold our drugs too! lol
Harleigh
an hour ago
Murph Trump once again taking credit for someone else’s work.
twilson117
an hour ago
Why is anyone willing to cometh Trump’s side when his whole history is about betraying them.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph because they know not what they do
twilson117
an hour ago
over 36,000 during his presidency….
Harleigh
an hour ago
lies
Harleigh
an hour ago
Murph on the serious side I can’t understand it either.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad You know the “Leopard Face Eating Party” issue – I support them because they’d never eat MY face. Right? Right? Yoo hoo -LFEP – I’m right, right?
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – The TX operation has been planned and executed, to both rally MAGAs and to lure Biden into overreacting so that the current game board of the election, where Trump is in trial after trial and plummets (as is happening now) in public opinion, is kicked over and the discussion changes to Biden being a fascist and sending troops to attack those patriotic Americans in TX trying to protect our people from the evil, murderous women and children coming over the border. It’s a pre-meditated trap and Biden is way too smart to fall for it.
AdLiban hour ago
TW…..there is guy who is a major Trumpista (flags, banners, signs)……and he is poor, very poor…….he believes Trump is going to enrich him….someday…..fools errand.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – see my comment on the Leopard Face Eating Party. They come to Leopard Trump believing with all their heart, he won’t kill them.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad,,,I agree with your understand of the border as a fly trap.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad that is what one does when they think their opponent isn’t smart. But Uncle Joe has seen it all and then some so I don’t believe he will fall for Trump feint.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – Everyone knows Trump is lying when he tries to take credit for Biden’s economy. So this would mean Biden was responsible for any good economic news under Trump because Biden was expected to beat him. It’s such stupidity, companies profits are up from revenues coming in, not from putting on a MAGA hat. So stupid!
AdLiban hour ago
CL…Leopard Face-Eating Party….where do Find the comment.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph that individual is in for rude awakening as Trump cares for no one but himself.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad….there are many people who do not know or cannot accept that what is so, is so.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – Exactly! Trump has proven he will abandon or attack nearly every person who ever supported him and yet his MAGAs think he cares about them. Such deluded fools.
AdLiban hour ago
TW….Trump is incredibly successful in getting people to think and to act against their own interests.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
There have been 19 vehicles in the “MASSIVE CARAVAN” to the border. Turns out ONE of them carried a convicted child sex abuse predator and that blew up the whole caravan.
choicelady
an hour ago
well Spanky’s supporter morphed from being teabaggers into magats…. morons.
Harleigh
an hour ago
Murph – that WAS true. It’s becoming less and less a part of his momentum. People no longer trust him.
choicelady
an hour ago
All I saw a clip where Trump was coming back from his mother-in-law funeral and was about the get in the car with Melania and it look like she told him go get in the other one. Should I take and meaning form the that??
twilson117
an hour ago
CL….do you see that kind of district growing in parts of his base?
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Harleigh – with all due respect, the word you want is “MORANS”. They SAID so.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph this is his Stupid Power, not super power, but Stupid Power he speaks and his follower become more stupid then already are.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW…..Melania (and her youngish son) live in their own Villa and have nothing to do with T-Man.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Murph – I do think his base is crumbling, yes.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL….what are the signs.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Probably best for Biden to wait out the TX Caravan. Remember, TX Natl Guard had growing numbers of suicides after Abbott forced them to stay at the border…where nothing is really happening. Let them deteriorate to playing Thunderdome down there. Then after the election, strip TX of fed money until they bow down to the SCOTUS decisions and federal law.
AdLiban hour ago
CL….I want to look for those signs here.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
hahaha she hasn’t like stinky Spanky for quite some time now. Her Prenup is nowhere near what Jeanne Carroll is going to get.
Harleigh
an hour ago
Murph – I think the rotten votes in IA and NH are damning. Then the tiny turn outs for his rallies. He isn’t who he was – even FOX notices his mental decline. He’s toast.
choicelady
an hour ago
And Trump’s dementia is becoming more regularly exposed and more pronounced. It’s nearly every day now when he either gives a speech or interview and has portions of his speech where he makes no sense and spins off on completely different topics.
AdLiban hour ago
well I’m conkin out here folks…. soon again I hope!
Harleigh
an hour ago
Ad and all the video this week of TX Guard working w CBP to Legally and humanely process immigrants is very telling . The Guard leaders are not risking everyone’s well being by doing dumb shit.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad and yet his supporters keep showing up and defending him. Have to wonder why.
twilson117
an hour ago
Good night, Harleigh!!! See you soon/
choicelady
an hour ago
CL……there was an event that was heavily promoted here to get a Support Our President Rally and March shortly after the ex-gov of SC refused to be a good-girl and go away. It did not even get off the ground. It collapsed in the pre-organization stage.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
There was a Quinnipac poll out today, Biden ahead of Trump nationally by 5%. While polls this early are not reliable, that’s got to terrify Trump.
AdLiban hour ago
Harleigh you take care.
twilson117
an hour ago
So Long Harleigh
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Night Harleigh!
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – Quininipac is more reliable than most. This is very heartening.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad I agree polls this early are points of interest but for me not to be trusted just yet
twilson117
an hour ago
Have you all heard about the Texas PAC that is targeting the Texas Supreme Court in the next election?
MurphTheSurf3
44 minutes ago
Murph – NONE of the extreme RW plans has materialized. Garland got that you have to do two things after J6: put the evil doers away. Establish that seditious conspiracy occurred so you can indict the ring leader (guess who) righeously.]
choicelady
44 minutes ago
CL – That is affirming that the TX NG is working with CBP. So Abbott is hung out to dry as the seditionist. BTW, Nikki “Windsock” Haley declared that states can secede if they choose to. Uh…no. There is no legal mechinism for any state to secede. It’s why the US declared war on the Confederate States. One nation, indivisible. Indivisible doesn’t mean, any state can go bugger off whenver it thinks it can own the libs.
AdLib43 minutes ago
Murph – all the plans for uprisings have died – nobody wants to go the J6 route to prison or jail.
choicelady
43 minutes ago
Ad – I hate to say it, but Nikki is as dumb as Trump.
choicelady
42 minutes ago
Ad – where did Haley offer that idea….of course she is from SC and that is a hotbed for secessionist thinking.
MurphTheSurf3
42 minutes ago
TW – I know, these GOP Quislings are 100% cowards and will keep licking Trump’s boots until he absolutely, positively can’t control the GOP or run another Repub against them.
AdLib42 minutes ago
Ad it’s time to send Nikki back to school for a remedial history course
twilson117
42 minutes ago
OK guys – I ALSO am fading. TW I will exchange emails via AD. I’m crashing for some reason, so I will see you next week. Hugs to all. Have a great week!
choicelady
41 minutes ago
CL sounds like an excellent plan.
twilson117
41 minutes ago
From the NYT: During an interview on Wednesday on “The Breakfast Club,” a morning radio show, Nikki Haley affirmed a state’s right to secede, in the context of the current standoff between Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas and the federal Border Patrol. “If that whole state says, ‘We don’t want to be part of America anymore,’ I mean, that’s their decision to make,” Haley said.
AdLib41 minutes ago
I read today that the attorneys working for Trump now are demanding pre-payment and security bonds to guarantee their fees before they will do thing one for DT
MurphTheSurf3
41 minutes ago
Murph wouldn’t you?
twilson117
40 minutes ago
Ad….quick and great work….I am cutting and pasting.
MurphTheSurf3
40 minutes ago
TW….only the stupid or masochistic would not.
MurphTheSurf3
40 minutes ago
Murph – That’s kind of funny, those lawyers will have to pull a Habba I think, accept they won’t get paid in exchange to looking like they’re horrible lawyers.
AdLib39 minutes ago
Thanks Murph! Saw it referred to multiple times today. Haley is a terrible person but her gimmick is to pretend she’s not while Trump’s gimmick is to push that envelope and lean into how horrible he is.
AdLib38 minutes ago
Murph when God told the Devil he was going to sue him the Devil just laugh and said where do you think all the lawyers are?
twilson117
38 minutes ago
Ad……apparently several big names have said NO to DT no matter what he says he will pay (even with bond guarantees) because of the damage association with him will do.
MurphTheSurf3
38 minutes ago
TW…good one.
MurphTheSurf3
37 minutes ago
I heard the Engoron judgement may not be made until the second week of this month though could come earlier. I know he has to be crossing all his “t”s and dotting his “i”s. Fine with me, fine him at least $300 million, dissolve his company and Trump’s teeth will fall out.
AdLib36 minutes ago
Ad…..the only GOP who impressed me in the first days of the primary campaign was Christie (not for his history, but for his knowledge base, strong argumentation skills and grasp of the facts) none of which did him any good.
MurphTheSurf3
36 minutes ago
Ad gives new meaning to ‘here comes the judge.”
twilson117
36 minutes ago
TW,,,,HaH!
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
Murph – That makes a lot of sense, any smart and principled lawyer would steer clear of Trump and his track record of stiffing lawyers, getting them to become embroiled in crimes, have to get lawyers themselves in civil and criminal cases and get dis-barred. Not exactly enticing.
AdLib35 minutes ago
Ad I hope Engoron takes it to him.
twilson117
35 minutes ago
Do you guys have a position re. U.S. actions in the Middle East in retaliation for Iranian back attacks on U.S. units?
MurphTheSurf3
33 minutes ago
Murph – I wasn’t impressed with Christie, I was glad he criticized Trump but he was nowhere near as brutal as many expected he would be. He still used his knowledge to twist the truth. Christie never stopped being a bad person, he just turned against the worst person so we nodded along.
AdLib33 minutes ago
Murph Christie knows Trump from back in the day and he know Trump is nothing at all.
twilson117
33 minutes ago
Ad…..oh….in a better pool Christie would be a minnow, I agree.
MurphTheSurf3
32 minutes ago
Murph – I don’t know what the right decision is in the ME aside from using all threats behind the scenes against Israel to stop its mass murder of Palestinians permanently. It does concern me that we may be getting into a sticky situation by broadening the attacks on Iran proxies. I don’t see how that ever ends.
AdLib31 minutes ago
Murph the reporting is playing the background, form what I’m hearing it sounds like a well planned strike I think we’ll know more tomorrow.
twilson117
30 minutes ago
One of the best moments in my last week was overhearing a conversation at a table at a diner…..a MAGA group if there ever was one…..after several months of mindless DT-Ass-Kissing (YUCK) one of the guys said “Are any of you guys getting bored with him….I am”……No response. None. Zero. Nada.
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
I think I agree with both of you….
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
Murph wow that was a bit of a revelation from a Trumpie.
twilson117
29 minutes ago
TW – Like everyone else who ever stood with Trump, he screwed Christie who thought he was going to be CoS. Instead, he pulled the rug out from under Christie and gave him nothing after Christie kneeled to him. Made Christie look weak and stupid andTrump untrustworthy and venal.
AdLib29 minutes ago
Murph – Now that’s quite a mental image to try and conjure, Christie as a minnow. Maybe we can ask ChatGPT to figure that one out?
AdLib28 minutes ago
Ad yes he did.
twilson117
28 minutes ago
Murph – Well, just the fact that one of them felt comfortable enough to say he’s getting tired of Trump is a victory. Maybe that represented 15% of the MAGAs at that table?
AdLib27 minutes ago
Ad….equally impressive…..NOBODY challenged him….some said that he was forced to repeat things over and over because the Leftie Media did not cover him….but it came across as weak, weak, weak.
MurphTheSurf3
26 minutes ago
Ad you said it earlier his crowds are getting smaller, he is making no sense, it looks like the shine is fading
twilson117
26 minutes ago
Can either of you name one key Republican who DOESN’T look unprincipled and/or bowed to Trump? Are there any such Repubs left in the party who aren’t already quitting?
AdLib26 minutes ago
It is interesting to me that the GOP emerging as opposed to Trumps MAGA movement are all EX-office holders.
MurphTheSurf3
25 minutes ago
Murph – Sure sounds like they know Trump’s game is worn out. Now it’s the game of their trying to deny what they are believing is the truth.
AdLib25 minutes ago
Ad that is what is so depressing. These people know Trump doesn’t have the juice but they are still following him because they want another tax cut. Grassley said as much.
twilson117
24 minutes ago
Ad…….for me is that those people have been very good at gathering support….bringing in new Maggats……..but I wonder how they will even be able to hold onto the core now.
MurphTheSurf3
23 minutes ago
TW – We’ve discussed this here for some time. There is no ascention for Trump this year, he only goes down. Mentally, popularity-wise, rally-attendance wise, trial-loss wise, it’s all downhill for Trump from now on and only the most intentionally blind in the GOP and MSM don’t see it. Explain to me how Trump gains new voters.
AdLib22 minutes ago
Ad…..well argued.
MurphTheSurf3
22 minutes ago
Ad isn’t that what cult followers do? At some point they know what the cult leader is saying doesn’t make sense but they are so condition to follow whatever he/she says and won’t leave even when they know they should.
twilson117
21 minutes ago
Murph – That is interesting but perhaps the explanation is that, as MAGAs have taken over the GOP, the non-insane Repubs who have left office have done so because the MAGAs won’t vote for them or vote them back in.
AdLib21 minutes ago
TW….the point you make about tax cuts…..it names the motivation of wealthy Trump backers…..venal and greedy.
MurphTheSurf3
21 minutes ago
Murph Bah Humbug is their favorite saying.
twilson117
20 minutes ago
TW…interesting take on cult behavior as the cult base become disenchanted with the DearLeader.
MurphTheSurf3
20 minutes ago
TW – The whole Trump/MAGA movement is about deception, especially self-deception. Now, it’s more of a labor for MAGAs to ignore the smaller rally attendance, the dropping popularity, the 1/6 convictions, Trump’s trial losses, etc. But for the sake of their own egos, they can’t let themselves accept that Trump is truly a loser and destined to never hold power again.
AdLib19 minutes ago
Murph Ad and I have been discussing that a lot lately.
twilson117
19 minutes ago
Ad…and of course most of those exes are folks who could not get MAGA backing anyway.
MurphTheSurf3
19 minutes ago
Ad a classic cult con game
twilson117
19 minutes ago
If your worth, your value was inflated by your association with Trump…what do you do when he is deflated?
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
Murph – The stats I’ve seen is that the hardcore MAGAs are fully with Trump but those on the margins are stepping back. So there will still be a madly frothing Trump cult howling across social media but their numbers are falling and dislike of them in polling is getting higher and higher. Trump can’t win EXCEPT by cheating.
AdLib17 minutes ago
Murph I think one makes up excuses and blames everyone and everything but themselves for not seeing they were being played.
twilson117
17 minutes ago
Ad that seems to be an accurate reading of the tea leaves.
MurphTheSurf3
17 minutes ago
TW…yes……self delusion and a trip down de-nile.
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
TW – Yep, in the many cult documentaries I’ve seen in the past months, when a cult or cult leader start to fall apart, the loyal become more intensely loyal but those who aren’t the most passionate followers start stepping away as do those who might be prospects to join the cult.
AdLib16 minutes ago
Ad…it is useful to look to history to see the kind of pattern you name here….
MurphTheSurf3
15 minutes ago
Ad the hardcore will, as you said, always stay with the leader they have nowhere else to go and they are true believers. We see it all through history with dictators and their inner circle of followers they believe in the cause and will go down fighting regards how evil or wrong it is. It’s all they have.
twilson117
13 minutes ago
Murph – Absolutely and the historic pattern of cults and their deterioration are pretty similar in many cases. The leader is somehow damaged, by his paranoia, hubris, or excesses. Followers begin to see behind the curtain and that Oz is just a manipulative man behind a curtain. Those not firmly under the cult spell back away from the cult, all that’s left are the most fervant cultists and the cult soon self-destructs in that situation. As the GOP will when Trump loses and goes to prison.
AdLib12 minutes ago
TW – That’s because the beliefs of the cult become a necessary part of the cult followers’ identity. They could no more stop following the cult leader than they could stop eating. This is a pillar of their sense of the world and everything would come crashing down for them if it was removed.
AdLib10 minutes ago
Ad or they go off and start their version of the cult
twilson117
10 minutes ago
Well, friends, I need to get to bed………these old bones require morerest than they used to….BUT BEFORE I GO….A SIDE STORY…. I woke up this morning and realized that I was having a hard time focusing my vision…..blurry, weak, and greyed out……I was more than worried that I was having a stroke or similar. I could still drive since large things and sunlight mitigated my seeing acuity problem. I dropped by my optometrist office. I asked if he had a few minutes for me. He did. I told him what was going on….he briefly examined my eyes and said: “Murph you have been pulling the stay up way too late and get up way to early gambit too often…..your eyes are dried out! Never heard of such a thing. He gave me lubricants and two hours later I was fine. I told him I would use those lubricants from now on….he said that this was not the lesson he wanted to pass on….that lesson was GO TO BED! HAH
MurphTheSurf3
10 minutes ago
Listen to your doctor Murph
twilson117
9 minutes ago
My little wish is that SCOTUS sees they have no choice but to go along with the ineligibility of Trump to win the presidency, Trump knows he still has to be president to avoid prison and runs independently against the GOP, destroying the party by tearing it apart. Then they would need to rebuild as a legit party or wander in the wilderness for decades until they rediscover principles.
AdLib8 minutes ago
AD your description of the falling out that eventually comes to cult leaders spot on but sadly so much damage is done to so many that the disappearance of the leader does little to mitigate the harm done.
MurphTheSurf3
8 minutes ago
TW – Sometimes that happens, where cults spin off from cults. So that too.
AdLib8 minutes ago
Ad…..it would takea brave, honorable court to do as you suggest. Fingers crossed.
MurphTheSurf3
7 minutes ago
Murph – That’s kind of funny but that made so much sense. Lots of saline for the eyes is a great idea in any case!
AdLib7 minutes ago
Ad….I keep being reminded that I am truly, really and actually a senior citizen…….oh gawd!
MurphTheSurf3
6 minutes ago
Murph – Even a cowardly but desperate SCOTUS could find against Trump. It will take an anti-constitution SCOTUS to find for him…and this SCOTUS has proven they can be that too.
AdLib5 minutes ago
Murph – Yep, when we were younger, our eyes didn’t need an assist!
AdLib5 minutes ago
Well with those words…..I head to bed! See you next week. Murph
MurphTheSurf3
5 minutes ago
Murph take care
twilson117
4 minutes ago
Well, here’s hoping next week brings the Engoron decision and the 2nd Circuit’s decision on immunity.
AdLib4 minutes ago
Ok I still have little gas in the car will call in sec
twilson117
4 minutes ago
Sounds good! You could convert yourself to a plug-in you know?
AdLib3 minutes ago
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Hey Harleigh!
AdLib3 hours ago
Hey ad!
Harleigh
3 hours ago
You’re early.
AdLib3 hours ago
Everything good with you?
AdLib3 hours ago
Lost any $83 million lawsuits?
AdLib3 hours ago
way early! I’ll come back later, everything is going along…. no big lawsuits
Harleigh
3 hours ago
Great! Seeya then!
AdLib3 hours ago
Hey CL!
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey Ad – how are you! I see Harleigh has Come and Gone. Hope he comes back!
choicelady
2 hours ago
He said he will.
AdLib2 hours ago
I am relieve he and you don’t have $83M in lawsuits – or ANY lawsuits for that matter.
choicelady
2 hours ago
So I understand that Trump will have to put up a bond of 110% of the judgement to file an appeal.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – that’s the law. The value of the directive plus interest. Trump thought he could use the tactics of his sleazy entertainment and corrupt real estate development as President. Well, lookie here – you can’t.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Imagine that by next week, the $83 milliion judgement will be the smallest one of the month against Trump.
AdLib2 hours ago
The one word he never learned – accountability.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Ad – he should pay and get out. Then he can beg Pootie Poot for a loan for the rest.
choicelady
2 hours ago
CL – He’s used to throwing a tantrum and getting his way. His walking out of the courtroom seems to have inspired the jury to crush him.
AdLib2 hours ago
And quickly.
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – yes, he’s used to bullying, and never thought it wouldn’t work in the non corrupt world.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Trump is dumber than many realize. The way he conducted himself in the Carroll and fraud trials only seem to have made things much worse for him. I expect at least a $200M judgement and dissolution of the Trump Org next week.
AdLib2 hours ago
The judge in the fraud case said he’d have a judgement by the end of the month.
AdLib2 hours ago
Some who know think his IQ is below the norm. I suspect many bullies fit that mold – anger and bravado compensate for a lack of brain power.
choicelady
2 hours ago
That’s next Wed.
AdLib2 hours ago
I would like to see him broke. He’s gotten rich screwing workers and contractors for decades. He deserves to lose it all.
choicelady
2 hours ago
Yep, bullies get by with the threat and use of brute force. Not strategy.
AdLib2 hours ago
I just went through this with yet ANOTHER attorney who tried to bully me. He will rue the day.
choicelady
2 hours ago
TW!!! TW is IN the HOUSE!
choicelady
2 hours ago
I think all these cases that sanction him with hundreds of millions, dissolving the company and the criminal cases which result in prison will leave him behind bars and broke. How sweet!
AdLib2 hours ago
Hey TW!
AdLib2 hours ago
Ad – if anyone deserves to be brought low, it’s Trump. On Twitter, someone said of his kids they’re having a Bad Heir Day!
choicelady
an hour ago
Good evening all. I understand there is a certain individual looking for a loan to the tune of $83.3 million Ad, and CL are in the mood to spare him a dime?
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – Sorry to hear that you had to deal with that but that lawyer is going to regret it.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – NO. Not a penny.
choicelady
an hour ago
AW CL not even one small penny.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – the attorney screwed the woman I’ve helped because I ran out of funds. Little does he know I have NO compunction writing to the judge to say what happened.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – That’s pretty funny! That’s a dividend, knowing the trump Boys counted on Daddy’s wealth and org taking care of them in the future. Heh-heh!
AdLiban hour ago
TW – Nope. I have friends in low places. I have low expectations for myself. But I have sky high standards about not helping racist fascists.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph is in the House
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – He screwed his client’s case? What kind of lowlife does that?
AdLiban hour ago
MURPH!!!
choicelady
an hour ago
Hey Murph!
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – He didn’t get enough money from me, so he found a way – a deeply suspect way – to dump her at the 11th hour. He should have known I’d rat him out to the judge.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL well, you’ll be glad to know I couldn’t stop laughing at the amount couldn’t happen to a better class of bump that he is.
twilson117
an hour ago
Murph – Someone wrote MO is trying to allow duels between opposing political views. I say MO has retreated to the Dark Ages and should make that jousting.
choicelady
an hour ago
I actually predicted $80 million to $100 million as the high end of the Carroll case. I think the fraud case next week will at least be $200 million but possibly $300 Million and the Trump Org dissolved.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – absolutely true! We are already DANCING in the STREETS over seeing him brought low.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL duels at high noon wow
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – I assume you’ll also file a complaint with the CA bar. That is wholly unethical.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – not nearly classy enough. If you’re going to have Medieval laws, let’s have Medieval justice: jousting tournaments or something of that ilk. A la Monty Python’s “Holy Grail” match ups.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – the attorney is in TX. The woman involved will file the complaint.
choicelady
an hour ago
Howdy all…just finished reading the discussion thus far…you guys are ON FIRE.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
We are – and your arrival just tossed kerosene on the conflagration! How are you?
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – I saw that too. What kind of idiot…and the MO GOP ispacked with them, thinks a priority and a good idea would be to allow citizens to kill legislators in duels. Why would he think fat and corrupt legislators would prevail in a duel?
AdLiban hour ago
CL…I did not read about the dueling idea but nothing surprises me in this state.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL…chuckle…..I am ok….nothing of significance has changed….which is good and bad.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
As MO is the state of my grandfather’s birth and upbringing, I’d cringe if I didn’t know he would have been quite happy with your current legislature. He was an America First fan and a racist and anti Semite. My grandmother left him over it.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – I actually get the “nothing changed, and that’s both good and bad” mantra here.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Got it! Now that you tell me the lawyer is a Texan, can’t say I’m surprised. The bar is so low in TX that snakes slither over it.
AdLiban hour ago
CL sounds like the Outlaw Josey Wales will be back
twilson117
an hour ago
These idiots in Texas are something else.
twilson117
an hour ago
AD no the snakes are running the it
twilson117
an hour ago
So what do you folks think about the seditionist border conflict going on in TX and championed by Trump? It seems so intentionally tactical to me, a desperate attempt to change the trajectory of Trump losing in Nov.
AdLiban hour ago
Well, the issue here is he turns out to be a “born again” because, he told her, he was a bad dude to age 48. I say he’s not a Christian but a “Penitent” looking for absolution and no commitment to actually DOING better. You all do know that today’s “born again” folks were given total absolution from their sins. Take Jesus into your heart? You can then do ANYTHING YOU WANT. Problem is – society ain’t so forgiving.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – Like you and I joke, put a TX Republican on Snake Island and the snakes avoid him.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad…in that 25 other GOP governors have joined Abbott in support of his actions I agree that this is grandstanding meant to distract and elevate their brand and thus lift Trump as a result.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad yes they will
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – I am VERY worried once I found out this marauding group calls itself “The Army of God”, the same people who murdered my friend, Bart Slepian, the abortion provider in Buffalo 1998. I have Catholic nun friends in San Ysidro, and these extremists are going to target NGOs such as theirs. I am deeply worried.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph I saw that on the news all these Repug gov’s have gone off the deep end
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – Yes, I remember something in the Bible about Jesus handing out Get Out of Hell Free cards.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – gosh, I missed that Jesus free card thingy.
choicelady
an hour ago
Choice ….I join you in your concern….theer are elements of the Army of God here in Mo and they moving out in support of the Texas Line.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
I think TX is at much higher risk than CA, but that isn’t NO risk.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – can you get a sense of numbers coming from MO to TX and environms?
choicelady
an hour ago
All, do you think these folks will do something similar to what happened in Nevada a few years ago
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – Yes, but what Biden can do is nationalize the state Guard. It will be somewhat resisted and absolutely resisted by Abbott, but it’s a way to end some of this. I’m thinking it’s more like Ottawa Canada – lots of truckers – but no city to encircle.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – I don’t know this as a fact but it seems coordinated that Trump kills the border bill, the MSM starts churning about that and putting it in the public mind, then Abbott defiest the SCOTUS and 25 state Govs instantly come to join in? That doesn’t seem by chance at all. And Trump championing this rebellion against the Constitution and the SCOTUS? Seems like they want Biden to be as reckless as them, send troops down to start a conflict with National Guard then attack Biden as a fascist using the military to attack patriotic soldiers trying to protect America from the fiction threats of immigrants. This is a PsyOp, wouldn’t be surprising to find Bannon’s or FLynn’s fingerprints on this.
AdLiban hour ago
Cl I have asked around…..of course there are many groups with similar agenda and they have common/shared membership so they are hard to track….but I have been told that a “Battalion” of 12 trucks has been “dispatched” BTW why 12….think apostles.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL – Is the Army of God at the TX border?
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – I think that’s what they WANT to happen – but all Biden has to do is federalize the Guards in border states. Most of the commanders are loyal Americans. Biden will NOT send in active duty if he doesn’t have to. He and our national intel are ten times smarter than the GOP governors, don’t care what state.,
choicelady
an hour ago
CL…your outline of what I regard as a conspiracy is quite believable.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad – Army of God is at all four border states’ borders.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – sure. They see themselves as holy, so why not elevate themselves to Apostles?
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – they are targeting San Ysidro in CA.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL- Yes, Biden should natiionalize ALL National Guard in TX, including ones from other states and when any refuse to follow orders, make an example of them by courtmartialing and imprisoning them. Can’t play Go Fish with a growing insurrection, need to cut it off at the knees WITHOUT using a military confrontation. Also, I think Biden can declare an emergency with Abbott violating the Constitution and SCOTUS and withhold fedral money from TX. Use them as the example if any other Red states get the idea to disregard parts of the Constitution they don’t like.
AdLiban hour ago
AD I see the hands of Steve Bannon and Mike Flynn involved in this.
twilson117
an hour ago
Ad – that all sounds good, and I have a lot of confidence in our current administration to know what to do.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – Bannon and Flynn are EXACTLY who are behind this.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Then Newsom and the Leg need to pass anti-militia laws to prevent them from being at the border in CA.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – Yes, this seems very calculated. But Biden and his Admin are far too smart to fall into this obvious trap.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad I believe that
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – I feel the same way, not worried Biden would do just what they want, throw Fed troops to “force” the NGs out of the way. Again, I think he federalizes the NG based on the violation of the Constitution (because they want him to declare an emergency based on border immigration to use against him) then order the NGs out and to remove any uncooperative NGs and protect Border Patrol as they take over.
AdLiban hour ago
choicelady
an hour ago
AD it looks like I’m going to have to crack the book on the Peloponnesian war as I believe Bannon is using that as a road map for this nonsense.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – So we go back beyond jousting to Gladiator style combat? Well, I can see the RW attraction for that.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – Ah, so it is an organize sedition like the truckers in Canada as you referenced, to clog up the borders and in essence, “take over” the borders. Remember how badly that went for the Canadian truckers? It will be worse for them and Trump.
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – they are so full of their bravado and cosplaying they don’t see tactically.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL this thirst for another Civil War makes no sense to us thinking folks.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – Not an expert on the Peloponnesian War but I think this New Confederacy sedition is pretty slipshod. They will celebrate their chaos at first but in the end, Americans will turn on them along with the Feds and people will go to prison.
AdLiban hour ago
CL I understand that Biden can Nationalize the National Guard, the question I have is how many in the Texas NG would defy the order, as I think some would.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – in the “real” Civil War, however vile and despicable, there was a goal. That was the preservation of slavery. There isn’t even a GOAL here. If you ask them what they have “lost” they can never tell you. If you ask them what they want, they give mumbled generalities. Without a clear purpose, they are doomed.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad I started reading about it a while back it put to sleep and have avoided but, may have to deal with it.
twilson117
an hour ago
TW – certainly some TX Guard would, but their commanders likely would not. They are at a huge disadvantage and should, going in, KNOW it.
choicelady
an hour ago
CL – So true, these fools are so dumb they think that since it’s not sedition at The Capitol, they can’t be arrested for sedition. They will be so painfully wrong and when it’s all said and done, it will only push Indie voters farther away from the Repubs cheering on this madness.
AdLiban hour ago
TW – The point is, the leaders in charge of NG will mostly obey their oath, any who don’t will be removed and replaced and any NG who refuse to obey their oath will be rounded up byt the majority that follow their constitutional orders.
AdLiban hour ago
Folks, I fear that I am fading more quickly than I expected. I am reading along as you chat……
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Ad Bannon is a big fan of it for what seems obvious reasons as the Spartans brought down the high and mighty Greeks who thought they were better or at least that’s what the Spartans thought but when they took over it was nothing to total anarchy for 30 years until the Greeks in Athens took back power.
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – Another great point, this is all performative, just MAGA “We Want To Rebel!” crap with no point aside from that. Just like with 1/6, once you start to arrest and prosecute these cockroaches, they’ll scatter under the nearest rocks. Cowards, all of them.
AdLiban hour ago
Hang in there Murph!
AdLiban hour ago
Ad don’t don’t the commanding officers would, but, there is a part of me that feels some of the CO would go along with upsetting the apple cart.
twilson117
an hour ago
Still…here finding the banter of real value.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
As you all know, I am rabidly prochoice. But I never thought that one issue would make a lot of people wake up to what lost liberty was. And yet it has. The fascist reactionary zealots MIGHT have had a chance prior to Dobbs – people are indifferent to a lot of things – but no longer. Even suburban housewives are paying attention to other people’s plights. Not everyone is a Karen. And most Karens are either MAGA or DSA. The rest of America is waking up to the drumbeat of the March of the Theocratic Fascists.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph sounds like you had a bit of a long day.
twilson117
an hour ago
Love you, Murph – take care of yourself and come back where you’re ready.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph – you CAN be just a reader. We don’t have performance scores.
choicelady
an hour ago
We lost TW!!!
choicelady
an hour ago
TW – Very different dynamics than where the US is now. A small minority is clamoring for dictatorship for the sake of domination alone. Meanwhile, we still have a democracy in most states (not all) and power will be handed to the winner of the Nov election, not the MAGA cult leader who won’t get anywhere near winning sufficient electors. In a year, we will have defeated this movement at least for the time being and Dems could have unified power in DC, should pass a slew of laws after killing the filibuster including voting rights that prevent this kind of sedition from continuing.
AdLiban hour ago
Very long days of light. I am working the campaign a lot…..but that deep, deep freeze that we had with us for a week did a lot of damage that needs repairing and since co-op is no more, I do most of this on my own.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Where’s TW?
AdLiban hour ago
Murph – I’m sorry for your long days of toil. Do what you need to do.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW’s back!
AdLiban hour ago
Ad – no clue where TW went, but he’s BACK
choicelady
an hour ago
Sorry about that hit the wrong key
twilson117
an hour ago
But I so enjoy the debate here….I will take it in.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
TW – that’s the definition of 21st C. life – I hit the wrong key.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW…you are wonderful….”hit the wrong key” no drama, just oops!
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL you’re right about that.
twilson117
an hour ago
I love cell phone as phones. I love the internet. I love being able to talk to you all whom I have never met and to meet some to whom I talk. But overall, tech makes life harder not easier.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph well fat fingers
twilson117
an hour ago
CL – Great points! Women and younger voters recognize how precarious our rights and democracy are right now and they have helped power Dems to better than predicted victories for the past 7 years and counting. The dynamics have changed and most Americans see how high the stakes are. Just read the stat that 26k raped women in TX were forced to have their rapist’s babies in tha past year. That kind of insanity has to stop!
AdLiban hour ago
I STILL thnk you should be able to go to the store, buy a TV, come home, plug it in and watch. You should NOT need an Electronic Engineering degree to set it up.
choicelady
an hour ago
I CL…I think that tech has very much complicated our lives to the point that focus is hard to maintain and that is very wearing.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
CL well those EE’s have to earn their money somehow to pay their student loans.
twilson117
an hour ago
People may not have skin in the game on abortion, but they’re seeing that it’s a stand in for ALL losses of liberty. MAJOR wake up call.
choicelady
an hour ago
TW /// Better fat finger than a fat head….and that you definitely do not have….sharp, sharp, sharp.
MurphTheSurf3
an hour ago
Tech exhausts me. I want things I don’t have to program to make them work.
choicelady
an hour ago
Murph thanks.
twilson117
an hour ago
The irony is that the argument for innovation is that it will make our lives easier and yet the routines associated with innovations make life more complicated. Phones that were supposed to bring us together more end up pulling our attention away from others (especially kids with phones).
AdLiban hour ago
Well, all of you all have sharp, sharp, sharp minds.
choicelady
an hour ago
Ad – Love my hubs, but he spends more time with Apple and Geek Squad than with me.
choicelady
44 minutes ago
CL about the only thing that falls into that category is the push down toaster.
twilson117
44 minutes ago
And yet, if it wasn’t for tech, we wouldn’t all be here having a conversation from various points on the US map.
AdLib44 minutes ago
TW – I gave my push down toaster up for a toaster oven, and while I am not totally overwhelmed, I can’t move from toast to bake without th guide book.]
choicelady
44 minutes ago
CL – My wife has no idea how lucky she really is by having a techie husband who solves any and all issues.
AdLib43 minutes ago
Ad all I can say to that is when my phone starts telling my that it’s in charge it’s time for me to rethink my view of tech.
twilson117
43 minutes ago
Ad….you a techie….really….hard to believe.
MurphTheSurf3
43 minutes ago
TW – My phone THINKS it’s in charge of my life.
AdLib43 minutes ago
Ad – you are a man among men! Greg is good with tech, but far too reliant on it, and then it breaks. My “calendar” is a date book in paper and pencil that NEVER needs rebooting.
choicelady
42 minutes ago
Murph – Heh!
AdLib42 minutes ago
Ad – but IS it in charge of your life? Do you only THINK you have autonomy?
choicelady
42 minutes ago
CL – Yep, neverhad to reboot my legal pad.
AdLib42 minutes ago
Ad – Nope. I am still in possession of pens, paper, ink, and legal pads.
choicelady
41 minutes ago
CL – I go out of my way to pull the chair out from under my phone when it tries to sit down and tell me what we
AdLib41 minutes ago
‘re going to do.
AdLib41 minutes ago
Ad you’ve got that backwards, you don’t know how lucky you are that she puts up with your techie quirkiness .
twilson117
41 minutes ago
Did you all see Zelensky’s rebuke of Trump for claiming he can end the war in 24 hours. Basically said put up or shut up.
MurphTheSurf3
41 minutes ago
Ad – I think you are less than convincing on these last two messages…
choicelady
40 minutes ago
TW – Heh! She definitely shows little interest when I excitedly share with her how I’ve boosted our WIFI signal.
AdLib40 minutes ago
Murph – Zelensky knows the “end” is total capitulation to Russia by Ukrained.
choicelady
40 minutes ago
Murph I didn’t see that but I like what Zelensky said.
twilson117
40 minutes ago
Murph – Yes, saw that he invited Trump to Ukraine to explain how he’d end the war in 24 hours. But who needs him to fly to Ukraine when you can just call up a photo of Putin on Google?
AdLib39 minutes ago
Ad no didn’t tell me you didn’t do that.
twilson117
39 minutes ago
I am upset that there seems no way for Biden to re-arm Ukraine the entire year, until Repubs are voted out of The House. I like that the Senate Committee passed a bill to allow the use of siezed Russian funds to give to Ukraine but don’t see how it will pass in The House. Only possibility is Repubs lose a few more seats and Dems can take over with Jeffries as Speaker. Don’t know the odds of that but fingers croassed.
AdLib37 minutes ago
TW – What can I say, I improve our tech and am excited about it but to my wife, it sounds like I’m reading entries out of the dictionary in alphabetical order.
AdLib36 minutes ago
Ad are we still sending them the Jets?
twilson117
36 minutes ago
Here is a little side story……I have a neighbor….about 2 miles down the road…..who has a card covered in MAGA/Trump Signs, flags and banners……I do know him but I was at the market and a neighbor I do. know was waxing very eloquently about the mental disorder that such hero worship engenders…and no one in a rather crowded store was contradicting her….there is an exhaustion factor at work here.
MurphTheSurf3
35 minutes ago
TW – Yes, I think we’re still training Ukranians in our jets and delivering them. Just hope NATO and the EU can keep Ukraine afloat until we throw out these insane, anti-American Repubs from control in DC.
AdLib34 minutes ago
Ad – I have seen knowledgeable people both in the US and abroad, talk about confiscating Russian frozen assets and sending them to Ukraine. The USA has $300B. to do that. I have heard Biden is discussing the legality w good people. Second, we have a lot of DoD equipment – MAJOR good stuff – to be scrapped that is actually functional if slightly outdated that we could ship. I will lay odds these two things are found to be entirely in Executive control and transferrable.
choicelady
34 minutes ago
OTHER nations are contemplating sending Russian assets.
choicelady
34 minutes ago
Ad trust me, when you fix the hinge on the door the old fashion way she will get excited, but increasing internet speed not something of interest.
twilson117
33 minutes ago
The byproduct of transferring Russian assets to Ukraine is that they won’t ever then be repatriated to Russia.
choicelady
33 minutes ago
TW – you obviously understand what is important to women.
choicelady
33 minutes ago
BRB
choicelady
32 minutes ago
Murph – That’s very interesting! I think the exit polling and interviews in NH reflected the same Trump/chaos exhaustion in Repubs and the ongoing support for Haley, who is awful herself but not Trump, along with polls saying that if Trump is convicted of a crime, anywhere from 30%-40% of Repubs see him as unfit for the WH, reflects Trump exhaustion. They don’t want to have 4 more (maybe lifelong) years of that.
AdLib32 minutes ago
Ad I’ve been married longer and it’s finally sunk in.
twilson117
32 minutes ago
Murph sounds like some of the folks are TF, Trump Fatigue
twilson117
31 minutes ago
CL – That’s what I’ve been hoping, that Biden can find military equipment that he can legally direct to Ukraine in the meantime. I know Biden wants to release that $300 billion, not sure he can do it without Congress but he should absolutely find money under any couch cushions in the Fed govt that he can to send to them.
AdLib30 minutes ago
Ad…what I am finding interesting is that Trump crowds at Trump organizing events continue to shrink. Increasingly the loyal core at these events are the craziest folk you know.
MurphTheSurf3
30 minutes ago
CL – Hope it’s easier for other countries to send Russian assets, seems more complicated for Biden and the US.
AdLib30 minutes ago
TW – I fixed the strike plate on the front door, it would get stuck and not open before. Had to mention it, no one noticed. Now if I had messed it up and the front door couldn’t open?
AdLib28 minutes ago
Ad it would make sense to send over equipment we no longer use the Ukrainians seem very capable of making things work that other people are asking, how they do that.
twilson117
28 minutes ago
CL – And the satisfaction will be that Putin will know his country’s money is being used to destroy his military further.
AdLib27 minutes ago
Tw – that issue of sending stuff to be scrapped to Ukraine is very much alive.
choicelady
27 minutes ago
Ad – upsetting Putin is one of my happy places.
choicelady
26 minutes ago
Ad they noticed, but just didn’t want you to get a big head for doing what has been deemed what you’re supposed to do.
twilson117
26 minutes ago
TW….I have been intrigued by Ukrainian ingenuity…..I do not think I have shared that there is a Ukrainian Catholic Church in the town next over from mine. They are doing wonderful things in support of their people in Ukraine and have welcomed dozens of refugees….many of who are the most vulnerable……I have joined them in prayer several times.
MurphTheSurf3
26 minutes ago
Murph – When the coffee pot is drained, all that’s left is the dregs. Or as we also call it, the MAGA GOP. I think Trump knows he has no chance to win in Nov, the Trump Fatigue shows in votes and polls and dropping rally attendance. Hence the seditionist trap at the TX border. Anything to kick the game board over and change the current trajectory of the election in Nov.
AdLib25 minutes ago
Murph I’ve read about their ability to think outside the box.
twilson117
24 minutes ago
TW – I guess you’re right. Well, I enjoy fixing things anyway, I don’t do it for the fame and accolades.
AdLib23 minutes ago
Ad, it good that you can do that. I was told a long time ago I’m no longer allowed to have tools.
twilson117
22 minutes ago
Ad…..one of my associates, not really a friend but we are friendly, has been MAGA from the start…..and he has grudgingly admitted that Trump is not as entertaining, as empathetic or as dynamic as he used to be….he is still for him, but without a lot of enthusiasm…I wonder what it will take to push him over the fence.
MurphTheSurf3
22 minutes ago
As for Netanyahu and Israel, The Hague pulled punches but essentially told Israel that it had to prevent genocide in Gaza AND stop the RW in the govt from espousing genocide towards Palestinians.
AdLib22 minutes ago
TW – you’re no longer allowed to have tools? You should meet my husband. Same issue.
choicelady
21 minutes ago
Ad – the pushback against the RW is growing globally. I hope we win it everywhere
choicelady
20 minutes ago
Murph that’s interesting, the part about what he said Trump being entertaining. That seems to be the through line for these MAGA’s not that he can do what he says but that he entertains them.
twilson117
20 minutes ago
Murph – I hope that Trump losing lawsuit after lawsuit, criminal case after criminal case and nosediving in the polls may snowball and end up shedding people like your neighbor from supporting him. Polls do say that a criminal conviction will be decisive in slicing off a big chunk of Trump support.
AdLib20 minutes ago
TW – Send me your tools. Heh!
AdLib20 minutes ago
well….folks…..my spirit is fading…read your comments re. Trump and my neighbor….spot on……
MurphTheSurf3
19 minutes ago
CL – Yes, I guess you may be referring to the huge anti-fascist turnout in Germany too?
AdLib19 minutes ago
Ad it won’t be much, a hammer, couple of screwdrivers and a pipe wrench all you need to fix whatever is broken right?
twilson117
18 minutes ago
OOOOHHHHHH before I go….some drama….
MurphTheSurf3
18 minutes ago
Murph – if your MAGA friend is a farmer, you might point out Trump wants to reinstate tariffs that nearly killed US agriculture during his tenure. Trump is rigidly ideological and not at all reflective. What he wants he wants, whether it hurts someone such as the US farmer.
choicelady
18 minutes ago
I’ve seen a number of reports of people streaming out of Trump rallies after 10-15 minutes. I think his act has gone very stale.
AdLib18 minutes ago
Ad – yes.
choicelady
18 minutes ago
Murph – what drama?
choicelady
18 minutes ago
CL my pet dog knows more about economics than Trump and I don’t have a dog.
twilson117
17 minutes ago
TW – I can’t believe how my tools have lasted and keep on going. I just do little things around the house and yard but rare to have to replace anything.
AdLib17 minutes ago
I am part of a group that is facilitating transport of pregnant women in our area to Illinois to give them access to the care they need.
MurphTheSurf3
16 minutes ago
Ad – how many times can fans listen to “boopy boop bing bang, oodle oo” and not want to make circles by the ear showing this boy, Trump, has lost it?
choicelady
16 minutes ago
MURPH – MY MAN!!!
choicelady
16 minutes ago
Trump won’t be re-elected but in a parallel world where that happens, he wouldn’t be able to help out farmers again after raising tariffs across the board because in the meantime, a Repub Congress would pass a balanced budget amendment. Heh! Poor Earth 45.
AdLib15 minutes ago
Very cool, Murph!
AdLib15 minutes ago
Ad my dad use to take me on some of his side plumbing jobs and tell me, son this is a pipe wrench and I just look at and say yeah what do you want me to do with it?
twilson117
15 minutes ago
CL –
AdLib15 minutes ago
CL…yeah….I was at a meeting and was challenged by a woman in the group to “actually earn my credentials as a liberal humanitarian…..what have you done lately!” Raised my ire and also punched me in the gut. SO…….I am in.
MurphTheSurf3
14 minutes ago
Murph you’re a trouble starter, that’s great.
twilson117
14 minutes ago
TW – not everything is everyone’s strength. I do know what to do with a pipe wrench, but not what to do after that.
choicelady
14 minutes ago
Among the quotes from Jefferson, Lincoln, and FDR, Trump’s “Beep-boop-beep-boop-bam!” will be most remembered.
AdLib14 minutes ago
My job in the group is create a bank of resources across the border….id possible providers, set up intake procedures, and put after care support in place for when they return home here.
MurphTheSurf3
13 minutes ago
TW – I guess that made you a Plumber’s Helper?
AdLib13 minutes ago
Ad to be written in sand just before high tide.
twilson117
12 minutes ago
Murph – after our long discussion of moving teens via pretend “religious meetings”, I KNOW you were ready. If you aren’t being scrutinized by cops, great. But if you are, you can pretend you’re a family on the way to meet Aunt Myrtle. This stuff is serious, and it’s not without risk, so keep me apprised of your doings. I will be so glad you’re doing it and so worried at the same time.
choicelady
12 minutes ago
Ad it did until I dropped a pipe cutting die on my foot and cried like a baby, that thing hurt.
twilson117
11 minutes ago
Murph – It’s disgusting that we’ve been reduced to having to transport pregnant women from an oppressive state to a free state. Not what I imagined the US would be in 2024.
AdLib11 minutes ago
Ad – don’t forget UCC and Episcopalians as resource churches in IL. Any of them that are “open and affirming” or “welcoming” are likely also prochoice.
choicelady
11 minutes ago
TW – My foot hurts just thinking of that. I hate dropping anything heavy on my foot, makes me cringe at the thought.
AdLib10 minutes ago
Ad it got me out of going on those side jobs which I hated.
twilson117
10 minutes ago
CL…I think I too well known to actually move folks……so what I do is identify, contact and organize points of care and access to them. Not quite life risking but still a bit tense
MurphTheSurf3
9 minutes ago
OMG – TW! Of COURSE you did! Those suckers are HEAVY, and I am sure you weren’t wearing “metatarsals” with the protection actual pipe cutters wear. OOOOOO that makes me sick!!!
choicelady
9 minutes ago
CL – But do you think any state, including states like ID and TX that have laws preventing the transportation of pregnant women to other states for abortion, really want to risk prosecuting someone when the constitution protects free travel across state borders without restrictions? That would get such laws overturned.
AdLib9 minutes ago
Murph did anyone tell you that you have a bit of outlaw in you?
twilson117
9 minutes ago
Your job is absolutely essential.
choicelady
9 minutes ago
TW….outlaw……not my self image, but I can see your point.
MurphTheSurf3
8 minutes ago
CL didn’t break anything but hurt like hell. But like I said my days of going with him on those side jobs were over.
twilson117
8 minutes ago
Ad – zealots never think of the law. Why we advocate phone “religious camps” or “Teen Faith Weekends” in collaboration w churches in WA and NM.
choicelady
8 minutes ago
Tw – I can well believe that terminated your limited enthusiasm.
choicelady
7 minutes ago
Murph okay a bit of Robin Hood, without the bow and sword.
twilson117
7 minutes ago
With all the scare tactics about this by Repub states, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that there hasn’t been an arrest simply for transporting or traveling with a pregnant woman to a state that allows abortion. They know any conviction would end the use of that law to scare women out of doing that.
AdLib7 minutes ago
TW….now there is an image….me in a green jerkin
MurphTheSurf3
6 minutes ago
Ad – that is true, but you are too kind thinking the RW would actually think this through.
choicelady
6 minutes ago
Murph – You should grow a pencil moustache.
AdLib6 minutes ago
The version I’m think of is the Erroll Flyn version.
twilson117
6 minutes ago
Murph and TW – it’s the hat. I want Murph in the
choicelady
6 minutes ago
Robin Hood hat.
choicelady
6 minutes ago
Ad….I am going to pass your comment on re. transport….good insight.
MurphTheSurf3
5 minutes ago
I am more Friar Tuck than Robin Hood.
MurphTheSurf3
5 minutes ago
TW – is there ANOTHER version other than Erroll Flynn?
choicelady
5 minutes ago
CL – TX has done this with all of their illegal and unconstitutional laws. They pass them to create a fear factor but don’t enforce them out of worry that they’ll be overturned.
AdLib5 minutes ago
CL not for me. I’ve seen a number of the remakes and that’s one I always come back to.
twilson117
5 minutes ago
Costner played Robin in a pretty good remake.
MurphTheSurf3
4 minutes ago
Murph – Friar tuck? Well, aren’t we all at this age?
choicelady
4 minutes ago
CL…now you are being kind.
MurphTheSurf3
4 minutes ago
Errol Flynn will always be the image of Robin Hood in my mind. Remember seeing that as a film at an after-school movie screening when I was a kid.
AdLib4 minutes ago
As a woman, however, I work REALLY hard not to have the tonsure.
choicelady
4 minutes ago
Folks….I am in need of sleep so I shall slumber….this was challenging, informative, but most of all, fun! Good night.
MurphTheSurf3
3 minutes ago
Can’t beat that final swordfight with the Sheriff of Nottingham on the stairs.
AdLib3 minutes ago
Murph Morgan Freeman made that version watchable for me.
twilson117
3 minutes ago
Rest well Murph and have a great weekend!
AdLib2 minutes ago
Murph be well have good weekend.
twilson117
2 minutes ago
I have a distant relative, Damian O’Flynn who was a B Actor you have seen but not memorably whose entire career was ruined by Errol Flynn – on the name and similar appearance. Damian did fine but was not ever a leading man cuz Errol got there first.
choicelady
2 minutes ago
Don’t forget, next week the judgement against Trump in the fraud case comes out by Wed.
AdLib2 minutes ago
Ad you think she’ll get the 370 million?
twilson117
a minute ago
CL – That’s messed up and such a Hollywood story. You can look somewhat like another actor but you can’t have too similar a name.
AdLiba minute ago
Missed saying good night to Murph. And I will bid you all the same – good night, dear friends. See you next week. Hope the verdict is a resource killer for the filthy animal.
choicelady
a few seconds ago
Sweet dreams, dear friends!
choicelady
a few seconds ago
TW – I think it will be $300 million at least though I suppose it could be as low as $200 million.
AdLiba few seconds ago
CL you take care.
twilson117
a few seconds ago
Night CL!
AdLiba few seconds ago
Want to chat?
AdLibin a few seconds
Yes give me a min I will call.
twilson117
in a few seconds
Ok!
AdLibin a few seconds
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]]>There is something about Nikki Haley that will never allow her to grasp and understand how to explain the lingering impact enslavement has had on Blacks.
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]]>Haley paced back and forth nervously when presented with the question, “What was the cause of the civil war.” Her nervous pacing was a tell she was about to give an unorthodox answer to the question the New Hampshire independent voter put to her.
“I think the cause of the Civil War was basically how government was going to run,” Haley said. “The freedoms and what people could and couldn’t do.”
Her twenty-five-word response ended any hope of becoming the first female president.
If she had said the following: “I think we all know slavery was the major contributing factor of the Civil War along with the lack of enforcement of the fugitive slave laws and the desire to expand slavery into the new territories.”
Most would have stopped listening after she said what everyone in that room knew and expected her to identify slavery as the primary cause of the Civil War.
Whether others would have asked about the fugitive slave laws and expanding slavery into new territories is up for grabs. But, if that did happen, she could have shown her chops on the integral parts of what contributed to the Southern states, starting with hers, to secede from the Union over their warped belief they had the right to enslave Black men, women, and children.
Instead, she spent several days trying to dig herself out of the hole she created. In every instance I saw, she just made it worse, even when she admitted she should have said slavery was the cause of the Civil War. As the saying goes, that horse was out of the barn.
Haley could have saved herself a great deal of grief if she had just said slavery, so why didn’t she? Thinking about it, I could come up with only one answer: she suffers from the following condition, “a personality quality of extreme or excessive pride or dangerous overconfidence and complacency, often in combination with arrogance.” It’s a condition known as hubris.
On one level, we shouldn’t be surprised at Haley’s response. It reflects how private schools in southern states teach the Civil War, or as they call it, The Lost Cause. Her response shows she learned her lessons well.
Elizabeth Spiers, a guest columnist at the New York Times, who attended Edgewood Academy in Elmore, Ala., wrote the following on how Southern private schools taught the Civil War:
“Our history textbooks positioned the Civil War as a states’ rights issue, a narrative that was reinforced by teachers, many of whom — as Gov. Haley suggests — did mention slavery but said the idea that it was a root cause of the war was liberal propaganda.”
Haley’s response to the question coincides with what Spiers wrote in her guest post. So, let’s take a moment and consider a few things regarding Haley’s response to the cause of the Civil War.
Enslavement of Africans was already in place in the colonies as an accepted practice. Most of the delegates attending the Constitutional Congress were themselves enslavers. This barbaric practice was making them wealthy.
But for some, they found trading in human flesh was starting to prick their conscience. For others, the opportunity to grow their wealth even further was too damn tempting to stop engaging in the practice. Pay particular attention to this clause: An immediate abolition of slavery would bring ruin upon the whites and misery upon the blacks in the southern states.
Ruin for the whites? Misery upon the blacks? What could that possibly mean?
Enslaving people was expensive. I’m not referring to food, clothing, and shelter. It was the purchase price. Feeding, clothing, and sheltering them was done on the cheap. Not every plantation owner was successful in the area of management. Abolishing enslavement would force foreclosure on many plantation owners as many were leveraged to the hilt. For those enslaved, they would be back on the auction block and sold again or worse. These plantation owners didn’t see them as human and would have no compunction about executing them. But that would be the last resort, as they were a commodity they could resell.
The Constitutional delegates decided to kick the can down the road and let whoever was in charge in 1808 devise a solution to solve the problem they created but had no desire to. So the founders’ solution — which South Carolina supported — left the next generation to clean up the mess they made.
The question put to Haley caused her to pause, thinking how best to respond. Toluse Oloruunnip of the Washington Post described her response, “Haley fell back on an assertion that has historically been seized upon by people sympathetic to the South — that the war was not fundamentally about slavery, but about federal power.
These town hall meetings can be tricky, but Haley should be used to them; after all, she is a former governor, has done her fair share of these types of meetings, and undoubtedly got her fair share of questions ranging from the ridiculous to the in-depth.
So, what if she answered the question in the following way?
Question: What was the cause of the Civil War?
Response: That’s an interesting question.
As you know, the inhuman practice of slavery was already in the colonies. It was a hotly contested issue, but in states like mine and Georgia, the issue of enslavement based on past agreements was an issue for them when it came to the possibility of expanding it in other states, and they felt their states’ rights around slavery were about to be cast aside.
I believe if Haley had responded with something similar as suggested, she would have avoided the rounds of explanations she went through, which didn’t improve the situation she placed herself in. This quote sums it up rather succinctly:
Political strategist Shermichael Singleton said the following;
“She had a chance to be competitive even though she was always likely to lose [the nomination]. However, that’s over now. She’s toast,” Singleton said. I agree with Shermichael. Her chances of occupying the Oval Office have vanished and will likely never reappear.
After watching the tape of what Haley said and how she handled herself, I understand what she attempted to do with her response. But there is something about Haley that will never allow her to grasp and understand how to explain the lingering impact enslavement has had on Blacks.
In discussions with various reporters and newscasters, she kept defaulting to how she had discussions with her friends and in school and some other damn gobbledygook claptrap she was feeding to the reporters. But, the point she was driving was state rights, which is code the right to enslave Black people.
Lincoln addressed the issue in a speech in Kalamazoo, Michigan. States like South Carolina were claiming they had the right to expand slavery into new territories and pushed the idea those they had enslaved were better off than freemen of the North.
“They insist that slavery has a right to spread. They defend it upon principle. They insist that their slaves are far better off than Northern freemen.” –Lincoln Speeches and Writings, 1832–1858 –Speech At Kalamazoo Michigan, pg. 379
In Haley’s explanation, she was attempting to point out that states’ rights were the focal point of why Southern states decided to secede from the Union. Essentially, Haley was advocating the continuation of the expansion of dehumanizing of men, women, and children for profit.
In 1860, Lincoln was elected to the presidency and addressed the issue of slavery in his inaugural address:
“Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States, that by the accession of a Republican Administration, their property, and their peace, and personal security, are to be endangered. There has never been any reasonable cause for such apprehension. Indeed, the most ample evidence to the contrary has all the while existed and been open to their inspection.” — Lincoln Speeches and Writings, 1859–1865 — First Inaugural Address March 4, 1865, pg. 215.
On April 12, 1861, forty days after Lincoln gave his inaugural address, forces of the Confederacy fired on Fort Sumter, South Carolina, starting the bloodiest conflict ever on American soil over the issue of enslavement and from South Carolina’s and other southern states belief their right to expand it into other parts of the country.
Nikki Haley has ambition. She believes in herself. So much so she thinks she has what it takes to be the first female President of the United States. This country will indeed elect a woman to our highest office. It is long overdue. But as Shermichael Singelton said: “ She’s toast.”
Nikki Haley will never sit behind the Resolute Desk as President of the United States.
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