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		<title>Vox Populi &#8211; 9-3-2010</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AdLib : Right again, my friend! Night, Kes! kesmarn : People will see that they &#8220;got nuthin&#8217;&#8221; AdLib. But they should have been able to figure that out already! Now, I really will say good night! Thanks for another great Fri. night! AdLib : Night Kes, thanks for helping to make it another great discussion [...]]]></description>
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<p>AdLib :  Right again, my friend! Night, Kes!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   People will see that they &#8220;got nuthin&#8217;&#8221; AdLib. But they should have  been able to figure that out already!  Now, I really will say good  night! Thanks for another great Fri. night!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Night Kes, thanks for helping to make it another great discussion tonight!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Kes &#8211; I think that&#8217;s going to have to happen, there is a silver lining  to the GOP controlling the House, they will be responsible for what  happens in the country too. The down side would be 2 years of nothing  happening to help the nation and a witch hunt on Obama instead.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; Very good to know! Cheers!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  And on that note, I&#8217;ll say good night, too! G&#8217;night all!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   AdLib, I&#8217;ve had that same feeling about the RW. There&#8217;s a part of me  that says: &#8220;OK. You have all the answers. You&#8217;re so sure of yourselves.  Fix it!&#8221;</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Well, looks like a good time to bring tonight&#8217;s session to a close.  Thanks Seek and Kes for everything! Sleep well and hopefully we&#8217;ll see  you here next week. Goodnight!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Don&#8217;t forget, I type 140 wpm and am an excellent proofreader. Nuff said.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Gonna take off as well&#8230;..Peace everyone!&#8230;:-)</li>
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<p>AdLib :  bito, sleep well, have a great weekend and thanks for all of your support at the site!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Peace BITO</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Good night all!!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; Thank you so much, my friend! Really appreciate all your support! Have a wonderful weekend!</li>
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<p>HITO :  GN, bito</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Good night, bito!  Good night, HITO!  Sleep well!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  peace</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Sorry, kids. but I am going to leave you, my friends</li>
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<p>HITO :   HITO is sleepy.  I&#8217;m going kids.  Love you all.  And JohnnyAdlib, I  posted THE link tonight about 5 times, while trying to get a couple of  the kids over here.  I LOVE live commenting and I can&#8217;t thank you  enough.  Whatever you need, let me know A, I&#8217;m there for you.  Hope  everyone&#8217;s weather is cool enough to promote a comfortable sleep.  Good  night.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Either way, whether the GOP has a bigger minority or a majority in  COngress, it will change the dynamic about them whining about their  having better ideas. 2012 won&#8217;t be the cakewalk 2010 is for them, they  won&#8217;t be able to avoid their lack of progress then.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   One of the Mercy folks tonight said that people crave the certainty and  rigidity of the RW&#8217;s style. Simple, black and white &#8220;ideas.&#8221; Top down  authority structure, etc., because of all the trauma and uncertainty of  life in the 21st century.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Kes &#8211; <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /></li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; Me too. They also don&#8217;t understand basic physics. The removal of  support for one entity displaces that entity and the space it occupied  must be filled by another entity. Nature abhors a vacuum which is why  Glenn Beck shields his head from nature.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  LOL</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  AdLib: Graham is a cracker who should be buried, because we sure don&#8217;t need &#8220;S&#8217;more.&#8221;</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Glen Beck teaches them *history*</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  They also don&#8217;t know history, AdLib.  Pisses me off!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  With friends like them, who needs enemies?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  kes &#8211; Graham is a cracker and like a seed, should be buried.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; I have talked with some of these purists, some who are at Huffy,  there is no more reasoning one can do with them than Birthers. They are  convinced that they know Obama has betrayed them and the Progressive  movement and in their narrow minds, the only way to get what they want  is to harass him endlessly. They are total ideologues.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Toaist bastards?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  The Graham seed is in Mr. Graham, which would make him a cracker.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :   can we get huffy, FDL, Kos, Turks to give the man a break? this is as  close a progressive as we have had since Francis Perkins in the WH!!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  i sure hope so</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Can you make Burlington Coats out of muslin?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   How about this, if the worst happens and the GOP does get control of  the House&#8230;and they do dedicate the next two years to nothing other  than trying to lynch Obama, as with Clinton, won&#8217;t the public&#8217;s  sympathies swing back to Obama?</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  LOL</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  taech me, HITO</li>
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<p>HITO :  Muslim seeds in an old Burlington Coat Factory Outlet&#8230;Epic!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  tiny mosques</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  LOL</li>
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<p>AdLib :   I planted Muslim seeds this spring and was just about to harvest my  crop when I found they had built an Islamic Center there in the  meantime. Terrorist bastards!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  and a few good breaks&#8230;I still support him</li>
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<p>HITO :  Yes, typing.  I should teach you grasshopper.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Maybe, if he can just hang in there, the novelty of throwing rocks at  him will wear off. Eventually public opinion will turn if he can hang  tough long enough. But it&#8217;s going to take some amazing endurance.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  typing!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  they doo seem to set the tone with thge media&#8230;.liberal , mt ass</li>
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<p>AdLib :   This is one reason I wanted to collaborate with folks on a letter  urging Obama to make a fiery speech. He needs to be bold or the public  will keep drifting away from him under all the manipulation and  propaganda of the RW.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib, uh oh, you&#8217;ve just destroyed half of fox news bullshit reports  and Billy Graham&#8217;s bullshit &#8220;the father&#8217;s muslim seed is in him&#8221;.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Storm Front</li>
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<p>AdLib :  bito &#8211; Or the Internets.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  no doubt,bito</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; Actually, Obama&#8217;s dad wasn&#8217;t Muslim when Obama was born, he had left the faith.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  seek, maybe but Truman didn&#8217;t have to put up with cable. <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /></li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib, you better get Michelle on the phone.  I think O would be grateful to you for offering that logic.  <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /></li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  I&#8217;d vote for him again&#8230;no question</li>
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<p>HITO :   Seek:  Obama deserves a break today.  Wonder if he knew what he was  signing up for.  Because he is 1/2 black, because his father was muslim,  because he is intelligent&#8230;we ll there are just three reasons alone  that the repubs hate on him.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; The thing is, once you become president, your commitment is to a  nation first. His abandoning the WH for no reason other than wanting to  spend time with his family would be like the captain of a ship jumping  into a lifeboat with his family so they could be safe and not caring if  the ship hit an iceberg. I don&#8217;t think he would do that, no matter how  much Michelle might want it, the first AA President can&#8217;t abandon a  second term.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   I think at times, they&#8217;re all goading him and making bets on when he&#8217;ll  blow up. Just waiting. Then if he shows any temper at all they can  claim victory and say that he lost control. What a spot to be in. Like a  junior high teacher with an unruly class.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  yes?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Seek</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  they are BRUTAL on him&#8230;the most bashed POTUS EVER</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  &#8220;Excuse me people, I haven&#8217;t learned to walk on water in 19 months&#8221;</li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib, it&#8217;s not about quitting.  It&#8217;s about loving your wife and kids  more.  I spotted his crazy love for them, and good for him.  If I were  Michelle&#8230;he&#8217;d step away and write a good book.  He can&#8217;t do more than  he has.  SHIT look at his hair&#8230;grey&#8230;lo ok at his more than slim  physique.  Oy.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Kes &#8211; Beacuse the Dems let them push that &#8220;forget about Bush&#8221; meme.  There are times when I just want to kick the ass of the Dem Party. But  Rahm will do for me.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Limbaugh got in a pre-emptive strike and it&#8217;s been mostly downhill since, I hate to say</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Seek- Repubs are never responsible for what they say, that is the first rule of GOP Club.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   b&#8217;ito, for some reason it always seems to stick when the Repubs say:  &#8220;It&#8217;s time to stop blaming Bush.&#8221; It&#8217;s NEVER time to stop blaming Bush,  because he&#8217;s the one who wrecked everything!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  bito &#8211; Fucking people forgot what happened a year and a half ago?!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  they blamed clinton ALL 8 YEARS on Fox news</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   People are so deluded, they think if they vote T-Party, they&#8217;re  rejecting both of the mainstream parties in protest. What they don&#8217;t  realize is they&#8217;re getting something even worse.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; I think it&#8217;s highly unlikely that Obama would refuse to run for re-election. He is not a quitter.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  I heard an R say to day that &#8220;the dems can&#8217;t bring up Bush&#8211;he about forgotten&#8221;  Fucking people forgot 8 fucking years?</li>
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<p>HITO :   So if O says NO, what&#8217;s the option&#8230;Alan Grayson, Kucinich?  Where do  we go?  Love Tony Weiner, Congressman, Queens, NY, but is he ready to  take on the DC alumni?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   A lot of Obama&#8217;s re-election will come down to campaign strategy. Go  after the GOP hard and invoke Bush policies that destroyed the country  without looking like he&#8217;s campaigning against Bush. And, tout all his  accomplishments that too many take for granted.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  the GOP put us here in the first place&#8230;also forgotten</li>
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<p>HITO :  Amnesia is all the repubs have&#8230;and it&#8217;s been proven time and again to work.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  b&#8217;ito i would not be surprised if it&#8217;s Palin, possibly on a 3rd party ticket.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Romney is the most likely nominee. Palin? Unfavorables are so high on  her. Huckabee? He has a WIllie Horton problem. Who else? I think it will  likely be Romney.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  As much as I like him, he gets NO respect</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   I thought when the Repubs blocked the unemployment extension, they had  really shot themselves in the foot, but the Dems passed it and already  it&#8217;s forgotten. AMNESIA abounds.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  It&#8217;s early, but who would run against him?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  How insane is that?</li>
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<p>HITO :   I really feel Obama&#8217;s decision to re-up will be family based.  And I  don&#8217;t get a happy vibe from the spouse.  Michelle is done with the shit  they&#8217;ve thrown at her, her children and her husband who works too hard.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  fingers a flyin&#8217;&#8230;.My HITO</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Will people really hand the economy back to a Repub after everything  we&#8217;ve been through? Especially when we&#8217;re still trying to recover from  what Repub control did to us?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Heh! Thanks!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  2</li>
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<p>HITO :  LOL, Adlib.  Damn you&#8217;re clever.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Wow. That&#8217;s a tough one, AdLib. I hate to say it but I&#8217;d guess maybe a  one in three chance that he&#8217;s a one termer. In which case, we are in  deep doo-doo.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Having a ball, HITO?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m as confident as I used to be but I don&#8217;t know if even  those suffering through the economy would put Bush economics right back  in after only 4 years of trying to recover from them.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  ?</li>
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<p>HITO :  Testicle?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :   I don&#8217;t know AdLib, like i said before Rayguns poll numbers were worse  and the UnEmply was 10.8%. Where is that news? Is it because he is a  black commie pinko?</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  it depends on the economy</li>
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<p>AdLib :  WHO THINKS OBAMA WILL NOT BE RE-ELECTED?</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Ahem&#8230;HITO is experiencing Tech. Difficulties&#8230;. please stand by</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Romney. Was thinking of my pomegranate martini.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   As much as I talk about how stupid many of the Beck and Tea party  supporters are&#8230;how stupid are those purist Dems for sowing the seeds  of a Palin or Pomney presidency? What mo-rons!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Sometimes Obama seems like the G. Cooper figure in &#8220;High Noon.&#8221; No  support from the blood-thirsty but cowardly townspeople. No support from  the idealistic, pacifist wing. And being shot at by the bad guys.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  LIBS!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  and some of the libs would whine too</li>
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<p>AdLib :  &#8220;Hey Glenn&#8230;ya see that? DOINK!&#8221;</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Seek &#8211; Indeed, Obama could find a cure for cancer and Purist Dems would  still hold hands with the GOP to condemn him for not finding a cure for  obesity.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Hey Glen!&#8230;.doink!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Lise &#8211; Will keep you in the loop on all, thanks so much!!!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  The doink for a Beck eye-poke is all yours, with pleasure.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Nighty, nite, Lise</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adieu, Lise.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Good night, Lise! Glad you were here.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Peace, LL..</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Night Lise!!!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Kes &#8211; As long as I have a &#8220;doink&#8221; for each time I do a Moe eye poke on a photo of Beck.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Night you all, love you a lot !</li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib, when I tell people about doing this I say &#8220;get your fingers  fired up and get ready to post on the fly&#8221;.  It&#8217;s really invigorating  and quite addictive.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   LOL _ so you guys understand if I say my adieu, for now &#8211; Let me know  about the Radio thing &amp; also AdLib, let me know how / where to send a  check -</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Lise &#8211; It is kind of a rush doing this live chat. I remember after the  first few times we did it, folks were wired including me!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  hic</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  O is the Ridney Dangerfield of POTUS&#8217;s.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Fuck.  Missed saying good night to Patsy.  Sorry, Patsy, if you look at  this in the morning, I&#8217;m sending you strength and courage to face your  mommy demons when you bring her in.  You can do it!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Maybe we could have a range of sound effects: flushing sounds for Rush, Homer Simpson&#8217;s &#8220;doh&#8221; for Dubya, etc.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   ONTO A NEW TOPIC, OBAMA ANNOUNCED THE END OF COMBAT IN IRAQ, PULLING  OUT THE LAST OF COMBAT TROOPS AS HE PROMISED IN THE CAMPAIGN. YET, THIS  AND HE GETS NO ATTENTION IN THE PRESS AND MOST DEMS DON&#8217;T SEEM TO CARE.  THE OTHER PLACE COULD HAVE TITLED THEIR NEGATIVE ARTICLE ABOUT IT, &#8220;SO  WHAT, WE&#8217;RE STILL IN AFGHANISTAN.&#8221; WHY DOESN&#8217;T OBAMA GET CREDIT EVEN  FROM DEMS FOR ALL HE ACCOMPLISHES? IS IT THE ECONOMY OR SOMETHING ELSE?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Lise, KQ had the same reaction. Said it made his heart rate go up too fast. Takes a little getting used to.  <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" /></li>
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<p>HITO :  Sorry, back</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Let&#8217;s do the Radio thing &#8211; I&#8217;m there -</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Guys &amp; girls &#8211; I love you all a LLLLOT &#8211; but this here&#8217;s just a bit hard for me to keep up with &#8211; I feel all hyper -</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  from the Benny Hill soundtrack</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Boiii-ooiii-ing!  I like it!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  boing</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  LOL</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Will this sound work? <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFyWPeou4Gc&amp;NR=1" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>LiseLives :  &#8216;Night Patsy !</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Night Patsy, do take care!!</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   My comment below is missing this &#8211; because what you said about everyone  uncorking champagne was LOL &#8211; damn these comments split in 2 !AdLib &#8211;  LMAO !!!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Peace&#8230;.POP</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Safe travels!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Night Patsy!!!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Nighty night AdLib, Seek, LiseLives, HITO, Kes, Bito&#8230;..</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Popcorn and champagne, sounds like a winning recipe for a radio show.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  snap .crackle&#8230;POP</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Bye, Patsy! Best wishes to the new college girl. POP.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Could everyone who joins the radio show please keep a champagne bottle handy to cork and uncork when you speak?</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  and we&#8217;re quite drunk</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Old Man Daley. Many a hippie head was cracked by his efficient Chicago police force. Those were the days. POP.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Bye Patsy, thanks for dropping by!!! Have a great weekend and a safe trip home!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Peace, PT!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Kes &#8211; Full at first, empty at the end of the hour. POP!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :   Hey guys I can&#8217;t stay&#8230; Just wanted to send a big hello from the  midwest and Oh  I love all the Obama stickers !!!  Hope you all are well  &#8230; Have a great week !!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  10-4 good buddy&#8230;.POP!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :   That was what was said about the Old man Daily!~ he may be a crook but  the trash is picked up and the snow is plowed. He knew how to keep that  city moving!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  We could call it, &#8220;Popping off at PlanetPOV&#8221;.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Empty or full? POP.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Lise &#8211; Perfect! Could everyone who joins the radio show please keep a champagne bottle handy to cork and uncork when you speak?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Stay safe over there, Lise. POP.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  OK, now really &#8211; BRB -</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  the cork industry will love it!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Perfecto. POP.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Kes &#8211; Here&#8217;s a little in advance, &#8220;What do you think Kes? POP!&#8221;</li>
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<p>HITO :  BRB, I&#8217;m on that fire Lise is responding to.  sorry.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  LOL &#8211; I&#8217;d miss the POPs too &#8211; I could open a bunch of bottles of champagne to simulate the sound <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" /></li>
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<p>kesmarn :  AdLib, that makes it all better. And worth it.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :   Mayor Daley has the city looking great !  This place is crawling with  tourist from all over the states and world I never saw it look like  this.  There must be something to goverment!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  anything involving less typing works for me</li>
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<p>AdLib :  I can pop my mouth before each person speaks?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Radio call in sounds cool, but I&#8217;d miss the &#8220;pop-pops&#8221;.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO and LISE &#8211; Yep, it would be at 8:00 pm PDT on a Friday Night and last an hour.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Friday nights right ?</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  AdLib &#8211; so here&#8217;s my vote : I&#8217;m in !</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib, lemme know if I can do anything to help.  You&#8217;ve got my addy, it&#8217;s a good one, I&#8217;ll give you my phone numba, cucumba.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Lise &#8211; Hurry back!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Oh, I miss Chi-town !!!Drink a beer at a corner tavern for me , patsy</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  BRB &#8211; got 2 emails &#8211; gotta support 2 of my ladies on Huff &#8211; a drama -</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I think it&#8217;s against the law for American trains to run on time.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Cool HITO! It will take me a little while to get it organized, not  until next month (hopefully) but I&#8217;ll contact everyone here who&#8217;s  interested with the details on joining me on the show and we will of  course do our best to get the word out to all Planeteers when it&#8217;s  scheduled.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Trains don&#8217;t run on time, silly.  They&#8217;re not built for that.  Jeesh.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  And I&#8217;ll bet the trains run on time, too, Patsy!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :   Chicago has come a long way from the last time I was here.  That Librul  Gangster Govberment has taken over&#8230; The place looks amazing!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Isn&#8217;t Drew Carey the King of Cleveland?</li>
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<p>HITO :   Phew.  Thanks.  Skype?  You could generate a little Skype revs&#8230;.I&#8217;m  liking it.  Wow.  Hearing our voices would be epic.  I remember when I  heard Seek&#8217;s.  Shit very cool.  OK, I&#8217;m in.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   I think we&#8217;d need three or four at most as a discussion panel but we  could take calls and people should be able to chat like this and ask  questions or make statements too.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Cleveland is in a world of its own, b&#8217;ito!</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  It would be for all of us time-wise right ?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Cool, Lise! Anyone else interested in joining in on a Planet radio  show? Hey HITO &#8211; it&#8217;s all by phone so people anywhere, even out of the  country could be on the show!</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  HITO &#8211; nowhhhhah !</li>
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<p>HITO :  Wait wait wait.  You&#8217;re ditching my NY ass on Vox, for a call in for only westies?  No No.  Sobs uncontrollably.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  AdLib &#8211; a test is a good idea -</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  sounds cool AdLib..:-)</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Patsy, is the daughter going to be a music major? (O/T I know, but just for a sec. I want to know)</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Is Cleveland in the mid-west or dixie? <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /></li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Adlib &#8211; let&#8217;s do it -</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Lise &#8211; Yep, though before committing to a PlanetPOV internet radio show  as an ongoing thing, I&#8217;d like to give it a test on a Friday night to  see how it goes and if people like it.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Shit the F up &#8230;.LOL &#8211; that too <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" /> ))</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Ouch!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  she has pointy shoes too!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Nobody would tell you to shit the F up, Lise.  I&#8217;d kick their ass.  Silly.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  I&#8217;ll do it AdLib &#8211; in a heartbeat &#8211; Friday nights right ?</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  and NV&#8230;.for now</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Sounds like you guys have been busy to night &#8230; yes midwest taking oldest daughter to school &#8230; Ohio tomorrow</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Lise &#8211; We do have several members in CA, that could be arranged. We  have several in AZ too. Maybe we post a potential meetup article and see  who&#8217;s interested?</li>
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<p>HITO :  PATSY!!!!!!!!!!!  you ok?  How&#8217;d the kid move go?  Have enough kleenex?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Are you in Cleve -a- land, Patsy?</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Adlib &#8211; I&#8217;d do a call in thing, but everybody would tell me to take 5 &amp; just shut the F up ! <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" /></li>
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<p>HITO :  &#8220;NO wait my son ate it&#8221;  LMFAO Kes</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  lol@ kes</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  patsy-midwest?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Hey, Patsy!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  PatsyT!</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Hiya Patsy !! <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" /></li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Seek, I can see the difference alllllllready.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Patsy!! Hi!!!</li>
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<p>HITO :   She lives for clicks, Adlib.  But do not opine on her blogs, cause that  is just not necessary for revenue&#8230;it&#8217;s all about her ego at that  point, not a good thing when it comes to journalism.  Journalism&#8230;.LM  FAO!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   It&#8217;s not like I don&#8217;t have enough on my plate but would people here be  interested in having a Friday where instead of Vox Populi, we had a  call-in, 1 hour radio show on the internet?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hi from the Midwest</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Shit, we got the food &amp; the drink &#8211; now all we need is the US !</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  I haven&#8217;t had a whole beer yet and my typing is MUCH bettttttttter already!&#8230;wink</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   The only bummer about this bloggy thing is it&#8217;s so hard for us to  actually meet &#8211; I&#8217;d love to hang out with so many good peeps here &amp;  some at Huff &#8211; I&#8217;d love to org. a Cal. thing here -</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I have some leftover chicken pasta salad. No, wait, my son ate it&#8230;</li>
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<p>HITO :   And Seek made a beautiful salsa dip thing&#8230;I&#8217;ll bring it and tostitos.   Tell us where to go Lise.  I&#8217;ll bring my bottle of vodka too.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; As I&#8217;ve always said, I think AH is an opportunist first, she is  loyal to her own lusts for celebrity, wealth and power and whichever  direction best delivers those, she will take.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  I have da vodka &amp; da ornage / grapefruit juices &#8211; nobody here in S. Cal ??</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  MGD and I&#8217;m there</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Lise, still have vodka and oranges? We on the way.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Lise, can I walk there?  Damn I can&#8217;t drive at this hour.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Seek &#8211; You&#8217;re hired!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  HITO, I think you&#8217;re right.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  agreed</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  I am so lost in this &#8211; look, everybody, just come over to my place NOW !</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Seek &#8211; If we don&#8217;t hang together, we&#8217;ll hang alone.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  hire me!</li>
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<p>HITO :  I think AH is a repub, if not con.  The end.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Okay, I&#8217;ll be our Rupert. Anyone have a billion I could borrow? I promise to pay it back in 2013 with interest!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  all swinging together&#8230;.lol</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Arianna&#8217;s ultra-rich and claims to be a lib, but many of us are too  busy pulling knives out of our backs to be able to talk business with  her.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  That thinky thing is hard to fight.  Ok, people dummy up!! lol</li>
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<p>HITO :  Lise:  Faux News = Fux News = Fucks News = Asshole News</li>
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<p>AdLib :   I see the Dem Party as like those pendulum things that have multiple  pendulums. At times each one swings differently from the others but  eventually, there&#8217;s a time when they&#8217;re all swinging together&#8230;then  they eventually get out of sync and swing on their own again, to go  through the same cycle over and over.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  we need an ultra rich lib to hire us for his or her tv station</li>
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<p>HITO :  Seek, yup.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Oh, never mind Fux news &#8211; I just got it &#8211; carry on <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" /></li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Where is our Rupert??</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; Like Air America had trouble, a Fox-like station wouldn&#8217;t work  for us because we&#8217;re not robots and we&#8217;re not looking for any source or  figure to tell us how to think.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Who &#8211; fucks &#8211; who would say something like that ???</li>
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<p>HITO :   DOn&#8217;t make me google Rasputin.  I&#8217;m thinking Russian, nasty evil  manuevering slimeball, but for some reason I&#8217;m hearing that was thrown  against a Russian czar.  Yeah, could work for JohnnyMac&#8230;but is so  CHENEY!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  me too&#8230;.oh, the tv station?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  b&#8217;ito, we need a pair of Koch brothers to buy a media chain for us!</li>
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<p>HITO :  LOL..fucks.  Like it.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   You have to admit though, all the MSM is hyping up this rally including  MSNBC and CNN. It is an insidious plan, to do reprehensible things but  duck responsibility.. .and get everyone to cover it because it is  reprehensible.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  We don&#8217;t need a third party we need a tv station like fux</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Kinda like Rasputin, HITO. What was he? &#8212; drugged, shot, stabbed, drowned? and still came back for more?</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib:  AND THE COLOR OF THEIR MONEY</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Beck wants to claim the civil rights&#8230;..LOLLO LOLOLOLL&#8211;falls over</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   My take is that MSNBC &amp; CNN will hold back their outrage (as they  should) that fucking Beck eh==held it on the 28th &#8211; because to vent the  anger would be to sate Beck &#8211; that&#8217;s what he wants, is to create a &#8220;us  VS them thing in the US -</li>
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<p>AdLib :  BECK: &#8220;I dream of a time when people are not judged on the color of their skin but the content of their cable show!&#8221;</li>
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<p>HITO :   KES:  McCain seems to have the Cheney-esque indestructibilit y of the  heartless.  OMG Yes.  I C&amp;Pd this last Saturday after the  fact&#8230;Adlib called it &#8220;maverickosity &#8220;.  Love that.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   FOX will, of course, make it look bigger and better than the MLK  speech. Like the way Stewart referred to it as: &#8220;I have a scheme&#8230;&#8221;</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Beck will claim 1 million people came, mark my words.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  ON MSM SPIN ON RALLY-</li>
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<p>AdLib :   I think the MSM will respect the rally as representing a &#8220;force&#8221; that  needs to be dealt with. It&#8217;s really kind of sock, imagine if back in  1964, there was no Civil Rights Act because the MSM back then validated  the racists claiming &#8220;states rights&#8221;?</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  I hope people are allowed to tape the whole thing</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  That IS nasty , k&#8217;es!!JD or Mcgrumpy</li>
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<p>HITO :   Well I hope it reflects real head counts, not bullshit edited old video  head counts.  And for those that do attend, god help them.  Their kids  will laugh at them.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  He tore up Lazio(R) the other day&#8230;..he never got in 3 words straight w/ Tweety</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Oops, sorry, b&#8217;ito&#8230;  You could had a J.D. Hayworth&#8230; Maybe McCain does have his points&#8230;</li>
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<p>AdLib :  So, what does everyone think will be the MSM spin on the Beck rally?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Would you guys quit bad mouthing MY senator!!! <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" /></li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; I&#8217;ve noticed that much of the time, Tweety only lets the most RW people speak and interrupts moderates and liberals.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Seek, McCain seems to have the Cheney-esque indestructibilit y of the heartless.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Seek &#8211; We&#8217;d be migrating to Canada and Erope right now as President  Palin declared that God would fix the economy so she wouldn&#8217;t sign any  legislation for her entire term.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  1 beer, coming up!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  mMcCain</li>
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<p>HITO :   Matthews is a funny tweety bird.  He never lets anyone speak, imo.   Unless it&#8217;s that dreadful Pat Buchanan and then I&#8217;d imagine due to  contract clauses.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  If less than 2 years did that to Obama, what would it have done to Planecrash McGee aka Mcacin?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  AdLib  <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" /></li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Media Matters is a gift to the country.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  they just had some old katrina footage on. But lately he has been spewing some real sh*t</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Brownie is now a spokesman for BP brand seafood. Oylsters and Slippery Shrimp.</li>
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<p>HITO :   I&#8217;d vote for the grey haired Obama in a ny minute.  But I&#8217;m not sure  Michelle is up for another 4 years in that house.  She&#8217;d probably like  her husband back and I can&#8217;t blame her.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Selling ShamWows? Or in Brownie&#8217;s case SHAMEWows&#8230;?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Someone from Media Matters was on Hardball today thought Matthews kept  interrupting him and let the old white asshole who is part of a group  supporting the Tea Baggers and Beck Rally (can&#8217;t remember who) talk  freely about how the Beck rally is nonpartisan and there&#8217;s no racism  associated with Repubs or baggers. Still, the Media Matters guy turned  to the old asshole and busted him as a Birther and having called Obama a  &#8220;token&#8221; President, elected because of his race. The old guy tried to  pull back into his turtle shell, was very cool.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Don&#8217;t ask KES!</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  BRB</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Oh God, b&#8217;ito, what did Brownie have to say?</li>
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<p>HITO :  KES&#8230;LOL &#8220;bovine social security&#8221;  hee hee</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  used car salesman?@ Bito</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Speaking of getting sick&#8211; Hecka job brownie was just on the tv.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Granny should know that it&#8217;s really Alan Simpson who wants to kill her by taking about her bovine Social Security.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Yes, AdLib, we should re-iterate that not voting at all is a win for  them. It&#8217;s almost as bad as actually casting a vote for Palin and Co.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Seek &#8211; On MSNBC today, someone said that it would use up each show on  the air to correct the lies Beck spews daily. This is part of the RW  approach to disinformation, spray as much around as possible, make it  impossible to refute it all and see what sticks. Thats&#8217; exactly what my  Granny told me after she learned that HCR would kill her.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Sorry, kes..</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Damn, I should start drinking, maybe I&#8217;d type better</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  thanks Kesmanrn.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Seek, Media Matters does a great job of calling out Beck and Limbaugh on their numerous factual errors!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  He&#8217;s a Marxist!  C&#8217;mon now&#8230;.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Kes &#8211; I think every Dem who even hesitates about voting to re-elect  Obama should be told that they are then supporting a President Palin or  President Romney in 2012, not voting for Obama is giving Palin or Romney  one less vote they need to win so it is helping elect them.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  AdLib &#8211; LOL &#8211; ya &#8211; he&#8217;s a goddamned socialist I tellz ya</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Lise, I&#8217;m going to vote for him again, too.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Does anyone check Beck&#8217;s facts daily? He&#8217;s so full of shit&#8230;</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  I can&#8217;t vote in the US &#8211; but I WOULD def. vote for him &#8211; still -</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib, I hope you&#8217;re correct.  But you&#8217;ve always had enough optimism that carries me through.  Thank God.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Lise &#8211; It&#8217;s all just part of Obama&#8217;s plan to turn us into Russia just  when we&#8217;re not looking. At least, that&#8217;s what Beck&#8217;s chalkboard told me.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  HITO &#8211; it&#8217;s the best &#8211; V&amp;O &#8211; the best ! goes down &#8230;.like buttah <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" /></li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Problem is : Obama stil thinks it pays to be civilized &#8211; nope ! not with the dregs that is the Right -</li>
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<p>HITO :  OK, now I want an orange vodka.  BRB</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  You guys don&#8217;t have to answer, but&#8230;.anyone here considering NOT voting for him again?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; That&#8217;s the purist line though, Obama isn&#8217;t showing how liberal  and Dem and anti-GOP he is enough. Even though that&#8217;s BS, if a portion  of the Dem Party grass roots pressed for more Progressive candidates, I  think the rest of the party would actually be energized by that and  support them.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  HITO &#8211; I know &#8211; agree -</li>
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<p>HITO :  Man, Obama better shock and awe us soon or his ass is grass.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  There are a million ways to be a decent person, AdLib, but the options for being a total slimeball are limited.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  step on their necks&#8230;they&#8217;d do it to us</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  I think he WANTS to be a lot more progressive, but feels he has to do it in steps &#8211; IMO</li>
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<p>HITO :  Remember hypnotoad&#8230;alwa ys posted &#8220;DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS&#8221;  LOL..he was alright.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   kes &#8211; So true, the simplistic nature of greed, lying and conformity  makes it much easier for the GOP to have far more proportional power  than Dems who think for themselves.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  I think O is still in his &#8220;don&#8217;t shock &amp; awe&#8221; them &#8230;..yet -</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Even though we were imbibing at the Mercy meeting, we were still  &#8220;focused&#8221; enough to be talking about the same thing! The crazy RW and  their hate/fear-monger ing</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  hypnotoad</li>
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<p>HITO :   Is it that O isn&#8217;t enough progressive or that he doesn&#8217;t talk dem talk.   He talks centrist, almost like he needs to show everyone how fair he  is.  And that, IMO, is bullshit.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  LOL &#8211; to &#8230;..every single person here !</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  toad licking&#8230;.LOL</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  too late&#8230;..</li>
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<p>AdLib :  I am licking a South American toad right now and never realized how GREEEEN this site is&#8230;whoa!!!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  LOL</li>
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<p>HITO :  No glue babe.  Not now or ever.  Brain cells are important at our age.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Seek : Looks like I picked the wrong night to quit sniffing glue ;P</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Yes, caution : alcohol corrpution may happen here tonight <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" /></li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; I don&#8217;t think so, it seems to me that what most Dems who  complain are upset at Obama over is that he isn&#8217;t Progressive enough.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Model glue anyone?&#8230;..wink ..</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Bito &#8211; Yay welcome to the &#8220;rare drinkers club&#8221; &#8211; I&#8217;m a total lightweight with booze &#8211; 1/2 way ther already <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" /></li>
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<p>kesmarn :  b&#8217;ito, I&#8217;ve led you down the proverbial primrose path&#8230;</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Calling Nelson a Dem is like calling me a G. Beck fan.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   One advantage of the RW&#8217;s worship of power, power-structures ,  authority and $$ is that there&#8217;s virtually no room for disagreement on  anything. Instant and eternal solidarity.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib:  taking back the dem party via grassroots&#8230;won &#8216;t that alienate  the older dems.  I called a famous local dem attorney to try to get  help for LTTL&#8230;he HATES Obama now, is so disappointed with what has  happened.  Boy did I get an earful.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Seek &#8211; &#8220;being organized&#8221; <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /></li>
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<p>LiseLives :  AdLib &#8211; I agre &#8211; no 3rd Party but change Dems toward a lot more Prog. ideology !</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  k&#8217;s made me start drinking :lol;</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; The question is, is it better to have bills watered down by  having Blue Dogs in the party or have a potentially smaller majority but  no Blue Dogs? I think the latter may be better. And, even in AZ, the  population will continue to shift and it will eventually turn more  moderate.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re here, Lise! We can sort through our wine inspired thoughts together&#8230;</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  cough cough  ACORN cough cough</li>
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<p>HITO :   Lise, Kes is one of the funniest on here.  Even with wine, usually  because of wine.  And yes, I&#8217;m drinking, and will continue cause it&#8217;s  Friday night and that&#8217;s the night!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Isn&#8217;t being organized against party rules?:-)</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  YAY : don&#8217;t expect too much X2 ! <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" /></li>
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<p>bitohistory :  If you get rid of blue dogs you get baggers!!! believe me i lie in such a district!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; What I mean is, instead of trying to start a third party,  Progressives should band together and support the candidates they want  on the Dem ticket, not Blue Dogs or DLC-pushed candidates. Copy the igea  of a grass roots takeback of the Dem party.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I dunno white wine. Good. Don&#8217;t expect too much from me tonight!</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   Hi, kes !!  Long time no see &amp; don&#8217;t know you all that well, &amp;  well, now that I&#8217;ve had 1/2 a vodka orange, I&#8217;m not sure you&#8217;ll want to  know &#8230;.anyone else drinking a tad ?:D</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  LOL</li>
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<p>HITO :  Italian wine?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  They had wine that I drank. Wine good.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  kes &#8211; You mean, YOU had wine. <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /></li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  I say we start by getting rid of the Blue Dogs&#8230;.Lincoln. ..Nelson&#8230;.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Johnny Adlib&#8230;serious shit?  Go the baggers route?  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve drank enough for that concept.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Hey, Seek and b&#8217;ito, and AdLib and Lise!  Just got back from Mercy meeting. They had wine&#8230;&#8230;.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Hey Kes!!!</li>
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<p>HITO :  How are you Kes&#8230;still on vacay?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  k&#8217;es!!!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; I think the phony Tea Party movement has charted the proper  course that Progressives should follow. Come together to support true  Progressives and use the growth and success of that to take the Dem  party back.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Hey Kesmarn!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  HITO!!!!!!</li>
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<p>HITO :  KES!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Seek &#8211; I agree &#8211; always loved Dean, but he was wayyyy wrong on this one !</li>
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<p>HITO :  Bito, party starting tends to divide, conquer and then leave much in the dust.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Good evenin&#8217; all! I&#8217;ll just lurk a bit and try to catch up, if that&#8217;s okay&#8230;</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Agreed. There are better ways to get our voices heard.</li>
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<p>HITO :  The mighty Progressive movement is an entity unto itself, without a care about us libs.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Which is easier/ start a third party or reform the dems?</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :   I was watching some show on MSNBC and the rep. from Agenda Project  basically threw our whole party under the bus and said fire everyone.</li>
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<p>HITO :  United we stand.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Seek &#8211; I think it is very counterproductiv e for any Progressive-type  group to attack others. We only have strength when we&#8217;re together, as we  were in electing Obama. This Purist BS and Purity Tests should be just  for Republicans, not us.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  You beat me to it, AdLib. I have the link. Cool.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Just Googled it: &#8220;The Agenda Project’s goal is to build a powerful,  intelligent, well-connected political movement capable of identifying  and advancing rational, effective ideas in the public debate and in so  doing ensure our country’s enduring success.  Between out-dated  political parties, self-interested multi-national corporations, and  ineffectual elected officials, good values and common sense have lost  their power in the public debate.  Our goal is to return normal  Americans to the center of the policy debate by cultivating an  understanding of public policy, facilitating common action, and  connecting the best ideas and the strongest leaders with engaged  citizens, elected officials, the media, political insiders, and experts  through a variety of in-person and on-line platforms. &#8221; Here&#8217;s a link to  their site: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.agendaproject.org/what_we_do.html" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :   This so- called Progressive group threw H. Dean and H. Reid under the  bus regarding the so called 9/11 mosque. Very very left wing.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Wow, I didn&#8217;t know Jeannie Berlin was her daughter&#8230;aweso me.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; I took a big interest in the McCarthy period and all that went  on, it was one of the most (pre-Bush) fascist periods in America.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Seek ? tell us more.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  What do you folks think of this *progressive group* Agenda Project?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; Yes, I remember and whatever works best for you!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  The whole blacklisting,FBI ,Mcarthy thing was pretty scary. Ask my dad</li>
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<p>HITO :  Mike Nichols&#8230;eyebro wless Mike Nichols married to Diane Sawyer?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Watch this clip and wait for Elaine May, she&#8217;s such an Angle-type bonehead: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.zimbio.com/watch/1TGGoimGCu0/Small+Time+Crooks/Small+Time+Crooks" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>HITO :  But I sent you a personal check last time.  I don&#8217;t do paypal&#8230;oh I see, I can charge it.  Aren&#8217;t you high tech?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Elaine May and Mike Nichols&#8230;though they&#8217;re divorced now but still good friends, I understand.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; You can use the &#8220;Donate&#8221; link in the right sidebar, it usually works!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  I&#8217;m ashamed that she&#8217;s  from NV</li>
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<p>HITO :  I love Elaine May.  Married to&#8230;.Joe&#8230;.shi t, remind me&#8230;was it Bolognio?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Angle actually reminds me of the wacky character Elaine May played in a Woody Allen movie, Small Time Crooks.</li>
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<p>HITO :   OT, Adlib, send me that addy too.  It&#8217;s been a couple of months and you  better get it while you can, cause X&#8217;s monthlies are pretty cheap.   This time next year, I&#8217;ll be asking you for a minimum wage job.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  I&#8217;ll BB in 5 minutes, leave some extra space for something more intersting than moi &#8211; so bito, come back !! <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" /></li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Snert&#8230;.wha?</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  NO you owe me SOME coke &#8211; J/K !</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  I owe Lise a coke</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Lise &#8211; Very kind of you! DOn&#8217;t understand why it wouldn&#8217;t accept your CC but I&#8217;ll email you the mailing address!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  I&#8217;m reading!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Model glue sniffer</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Huffy puffy</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Yes, sniffin paint or glue &#8211; fdefinitely LOL</li>
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<p>AdLib :  I figure Angle as a paint huffer, myself.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  2)  Ad Lib &#8211; I tried donating 2 times &amp; it wouldn&#8217;t accept my CC&#8217;s &#8211; will donate &#8211; maybe by check ?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Seek &#8211; In fact, Fox and RWs all were comfortable about the cultural  center then. Now that they can create another boogy man out of it, they  jump on that bandwagon.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  1) where&#8217;s bito &#8211; I&#8217;ll be a bit quieter to leave some space <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" /></li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Meth, except she&#8217;s not that hip LOLLL !</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; Yes, I saw that about Angle agreeing that enemies of America are  in Congress. And Bachman and Issa want to spend the next two years  politically trying to lynch Obama. That&#8217;s what these idiot voters out  there think will make their lives better? Putting in Repubs so Congress  can do nothing to help anyone during this financial emergency? Sheesh!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Lise, I wuz thinking Meth.  Maybe I&#8217;m wrong.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Daily.</li>
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<p>HITO :   But these morons don&#8217;t want to spend the time to get educated.  No  reading appropriate newspapers, no accountable information  uplinks&#8230;fuck them.  Live in ignorance and good luck with that&#8230;oh  boy, I&#8217;m getting pissed.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   As for Angle &#8211; she strikes me as someone who takes tranquilizers dauly &#8211;  has that oh so fragile edge to her every time she speaks &#8211; I hate  fragility !</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  No one cared about this*Mosque* 2 months ago&#8230;.mid term election bullshit</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Exactly !!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Lise &#8211; It is sad that there are so many literally stupid people out  there. Critical thinking is nowhere to be find in such people&#8217;s minds,  they instead latch onto an authority figure and accept whatever comes  out of their mouths.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   AdLib :  They WANT to be manipulated !  They HAVE NO life ! &amp; need  an angry messiah to echo their own useless lives&#8217; misery !</li>
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<p>HITO :  An ignorant child with ignorant parents is a shoe in for the repubs.  Shit that&#8217;s horrible, but possibly true.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Angle is a piece of work.She lies about everything she has ever said&#8230;.now Reid is fighting dirty&#8230;</li>
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<p>AdLib :   It is astounding that poor, unemployed white people are so easily  manipulated to oppose those who represent their own interests. No wonder  the Repubs have always worked at cutting education.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Lise, that&#8217;s where I went.  Darjeeling and Bailey&#8217;s&#8230;nice .</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Angle is getting ready to re-open the McCarthy hearings on Un-merkins in congress.</li>
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<p>HITO :  As Jon Stewart said &#8220;I have a scheme&#8221;  That&#8217;s all Beck has</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   AdLib &#8211; it&#8217;s most extraordinarily upsetting that so many would join the  likes of Beck &#8211; I was happier in my illusion that &#8220;goodness&#8221; &amp;  intelligence was the overriding factor in the US &#8211; it&#8217;s pathetic &amp;  quite upsetting, which is why ,,,,,I&#8217;m drinking now <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" /></li>
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<p>AdLib :   AS YOU ALL MAY HAVE GUESSED, OUR FIRST TOPIC IS THE ACCEPTABLE  RACISM-TONED MARCH ON DC TOMORROW BY GLENN BECK WITH SUPPORTING BIGOT,  SARAH PALIN. TURNOUT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE OVER 100,000&#8230;THAT&#8217; S A LOT  OF WHITE SHEETS TO BUY. HOW BAD HAVE THINGS GOTTEN IN THIS COUNTRY WHEN  RACISM, TAKING A PISS ON MLK&#8217;S &#8220;I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH&#8221; CAN BE SO OPENLY  ACCEPTED IN SOCIETY? HOW FAR WILL THIS NEW WHITE POWER MOVEMENT GO AND  IS MORE AND GREATER VIOLENCE INEVITABLE?</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  HITO will be back in a second&#8230;..:-)</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   &amp; don&#8217;t thoise fucking idiots know that Obama&#8217;s trying to help all  of them too, the trailer trash society,as well as us smarter folks ? LOL</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  They trust corps (who are unknown) to people they can actually vote against&#8211;or use their 2nd rights on. lol</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Seek :  Exactly !!</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Tea Bagger: Obama&#8217;s a socialist!?-?whe re&#8217;s my SS check and my Medicare card?</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  POP &#8211; makes me want to open a bottle o&#8217; champagne <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" /></li>
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<p>LiseLives :  HITO :  they really have the absolute dregs of citizenry &#8211; all for themselves <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" /></li>
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<p>AdLib :  &#8220;KEEP YOR GOVERNMINT HANDS OFF ARE SOSHALL SECURITEA!</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  This is a TRIP to keep up with LOL !</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Me?wink.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Lise:  true that.  The GOP is freaking out that they have so many  ignorants in their base.  They never counted on so many&#8230;.LOL</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Bito &#8211; So true and sad. Can you imagine Obama having a rally and having to remind people not to bring Nazi or racist signs?</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  No badly spelled racist signs, please!</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Bito &#8211; I really think they were more afraid of the whole country laughing at all the mis-spelled signs LOL</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Lise &#8211; Right with you, my life is much happier without unnecessary dramas.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Babe, you have an avatar tonight.  Very nice and noticeable.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Really?</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Drama where? Who?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Amazing that one would have to warn against bringing raciest signs to a rally!</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   AdLib &#8211; I know you guys here understand all that &#8211; I def. want to stay  neutral about any old stories I missed out on at Huff &#8211; drama&#8217;s no fun  at all -</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Beck/Palin aka Liars R Us.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Schreech!  LOL</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; Many years ago, when there were just a few tubes in the  Internets, I started at HP by reading for a while to get the sense of  who was there and how people conversed so anyone who does that here is  totally cool.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Bito:  Sarah gets it in cash in a throw away suitcase I hear.  She  reports nothing.  Awww, if only she did that&#8230;IRS would love to seize  her assets.  A girl can dream.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Doing the best I can.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Lise &#8211; Totally cool! We really want The Planet to be a place for  everyone of good will. We have enough adversaries on the Beck/Palin side  of the equation, no need for us to be divided against ourselves.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib, I can&#8217;t wait to see your topics for tonight&#8230;can you say &#8220;MOSQUE&#8221;?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  HITO, doesS&#8217;arah get her 100 grand off the top for her screech?</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Hey LiseLives!Or CC!!smile!</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   Seek, you take good care of our girl here &#8211; take good care of eachother  &#8211; this is special what you got &#8211; it&#8217;s rare, ya know &#8230;.</li>
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<p>HITO :  She could be reading us.  Shy?  Hell no.  But apprehensive..sh wure (in my best NY accent).</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Hey Seeeeeekkkk !</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; Always happy to have new folks join us, especially those who show they stand on principle. Hope BadBadKitty makes it.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Good to see you folks.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Lise.  Hear you loud and clear.  No worries.  We all walk our own roads and it is good.  <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /></li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  I&#8217;m in NY state with my HITO, AdLib.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   HITO &#8211; just FYI &#8211; I know you prob. already klnow this, but there are so  many people I love who are either on one side ot the other about the  Lorne / Funky / Kitty thing that I had to decide to stay even about it  all &#8211; I missed so much of it, just don&#8217;t want to voice one way or  abother about it &#8211; ya get me ? <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" /></li>
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<p>AdLib :  Hey Seek!!! How are you! Heard you were out of town.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Bito:  Only place Beck fits is in a very small cell.  He&#8217;s calling this  a charity event, but everything is subject to paying speaker&#8217;s fees.   THe charity portion will be lucky if they get 10K.  HIS fee will  escalate with each entry fee undoubtedly.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  BeckCon fits in like the square peg he is&#8230;and I could suggest what round hole he would fit best into.</li>
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<p>SeeknDestroy :  Hey kids!:-)</li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib, FYI, there&#8217;s one over in hell that I hope is reading or shows  tonight&#8230;BadBad Kitty.  She&#8217;s OK.  Stood up for Lorne when so many  threw him under the Funky bus.  Sorry, too much HP talk.  But she rocks.   Just a head&#8217;s up.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Lise &#8211; Sounds fun!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  I want to say about his weekend:  19 amendment, MLK speech, Katrina.  Where does becky fit in there?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  If I were in the vicinity, I would go just to interview people there and post here. Would be interesting if not newsbreaking.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   It&#8217;s going to be pet clothing &#8211; sounds kindof lame, but I have all  sorts of fabric inventory left over from when my label sold at Nordstrom  &#8211; so I&#8217;ll be using it for this &#8211; just a little fun biz, no biggie <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" /></li>
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<p>AdLib :  Lise &#8211; Can you mention what kind of website?</li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib:  LOL!  If I took that 4 hour trip south&#8230;well it wouldn&#8217;t be  pretty.  They wouldn&#8217;t like me mad&#8230;and I would definitely show those  colors.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Bito &amp; Hito &#8211; <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" /></li>
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<p>LiseLives :  I&#8217;ll be bleching Beck&#8217;s rally &#8211; the piece of shit !</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Bito!!! How are ya, pal?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   While we&#8217;re waiting&#8230;what&#8217; s everyone up to this weekend? Other than  going to Beckapalooza on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, that is.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Present!</li>
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<p>LiseLives :   It&#8217;s been almost suffolcatingly hot &#8211; AdLib &#8211; thx &#8211; it&#8217;s going to have a  website soon &#8211; couple of weeks &#8211; just a little sideline biz for my  bread &amp; butter <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" /></li>
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<p>AdLib :  Lise &#8211; Best of luck on your new biz!</li>
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<p>HITO :  And good evening to bito, and once again to Lise!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" /></li>
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<p>HITO :  HI &#8230; Johnny Adlibseed™</li>
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<p>AdLib :   I&#8217;m in L.A., know what you&#8217;re talking about with the heat. My  daughter&#8217;s been out of camp for the last few weeks so my days are down  to 20% work and 80% water balloons and SLip N Slides.</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  You ??</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  AdLib &#8211; Been p/t working on new biz &#8211; &amp; p/t lazying indoors while it&#8217;s so damned hot here in California -</li>
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<p>AdLib :  How are you HITO?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  BITO?</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Wait &#8211; I&#8217;l give my BBlater at Huff &#8211; BRB <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" /></li>
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<p>AdLib :  I&#8217;m doing great. And you? Been up to any fun stuff this summer?</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  Hiya AdLib &#8211; how are you my dear, revered friend ??</li>
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<p>AdLib :  The popcorn&#8217;s on me!</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  POP &#8211; !</li>
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<p>HITO :  Sweet!  You&#8217;re here!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  LISE! How are you?</li>
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<p>LiseLives :  HELLO &#8211; O &#8211; O &#8211; !!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  See you shortly HITO!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Be here in a sec, kids.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Vox Populi begins at 7:00 pm PDT tonight, hope to see you then!</li>
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		<title>Vox Populi &#8211; 8-20-2010</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AdLib</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[AdLib is online. AdLib : Night! PatsyT : Night All AdLib : CL &#8211; I had no idea that they would have such political decision making. Yes, let&#8217;s discuss next week. Sleep well! choicelady : And now to bed&#8230; g&#8217;night you two! Don&#8217;t stay up all night playing canasta. choicelady : AdLib &#8211; no I [...]]]></description>
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<p>AdLib :  Night!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Night All</li>
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<p>AdLib :  CL &#8211; I had no idea that they would have such political decision making. Yes, let&#8217;s discuss next week. Sleep well!</li>
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<p>choicelady :  And now to bed&#8230;  g&#8217;night you two!  Don&#8217;t stay up all night playing canasta.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib &#8211; no I have NOT heard of it.  Let&#8217;s talk.  Sounds intriguing.   Did you know that the firms carrying the petitions can REFUSE ones they  don&#8217;t like?  Seems VERY wrong, and we need to talk about that.  The  firms are what killed off the drive for a Constitutional Convention  since none would carry the petitions.  WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Right Patsy, will do!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Patsy &#8211; Same thing, get some rest and find some time to relax this weekend!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hugs to you Choicelady&#8230;</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Lets not forget that post for Obama</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Oh, just saw your comment, get some sleep CL! Great seeing you tonight.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hey I am fading too and another big day tomorrow!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  CL &#8211; Have you heard of the Ballot Initiative Strategy Center? It was referred to me by one of the folks at Netroots.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   PAtsy and AdLib &#8211; I need to go.  I&#8217;m fading.  I hope to be with you  next week!  Have  a super weekend and we&#8217;ll talk soon.  Hugs to you  both!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  I didn&#8217;t know that &#8211; Single payer for CA !Love it !</li>
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<p>AdLib :  CL &#8211; I&#8217;m definitely on that!</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib &#8211; I do think we can select single payer as our state option.  And  then stand back and wait for the propositions to fly trying to kill it.   That among many other things will be why we will need TIPA and SOON.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  And that&#8217;s on the first day.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  &#8220;Rahm Gets The Boot!&#8221; 2,378,998 views.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  CL &#8211; Very cool! Do you think, as the HCR bill supports, we could get Single Payer in CA?</li>
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<p>choicelady :  Youtube:  &#8220;AdLib Boots Rahm&#8217;s Butt&#8221;  Yup &#8211; it would get quite a lot of hits.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  TIAP &#8211; And think of all the YouTube hits we&#8217;d get!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Seeya TIAP!</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Rachel&#8217;s the only one who would cover it</li>
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<p>choicelady :   TIAP &#8211; good night.  I need to go soon, too.  I&#8217;m doing a radio live  feed on single payer tomorrow.  Need to get my beauty sleep to be seen  on the radio!  Good night TIAP.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  TIAP &#8211; Not only can you watch, I will have Rachel there with full coverage.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  See y&#8217;all next Friday.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  There is always fun mixed in.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Nighty night TIAP !</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  AdLib, I&#8217;ll buy you the boots but only if I can watch!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  TIAP &#8211; Hope that includes some fun this weekend! Great seeing you!</li>
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<p>choicelady :  AdLib &#8211; ass kicking is in your job description.  Rahm&#8217;s in particular.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  I like It AdLib to replace Rahm !</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :   Well, now that we&#8217;ve re-designed the whole Dem strategy I think it&#8217;s  time to call it a night. I have a full agenda this weekend so I better  get to it.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  CL &#8211; Okay, I accept Rahm&#8217;s job&#8230;as long as I can personally and literally kick his ass out of the WH.</li>
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<p>choicelady :  AdLib &#8211; I&#8217;m with you on that!  Maybe he needs YOU in the Oval Office!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   CL &#8211; In cracking security codes there is an approach called Brute  Force. This is what Obama needs to do, he has to break out of his bubble  and take back control of the political discourse by being aggressive  about it. DO THINGS! SAY THINGS! LAUNCH INITIATIVES! ATTACK THE HATERS!  He needs to be aggressive now or he&#8217;ll continued to be dog piled on by  the GOP and MSM.</li>
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<p>choicelady :  AdLib &#8211; &#8220;right&#8221; as in &#8220;correct&#8221;.  Stupid that we can&#8217;t use a perfectly good word anymore!</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib &#8211; 100% fucked up.  I stood with Muslims over and over when they  issued fatwas against violence from within Islam, denounced violence in  Palestine and elswhere, and despite the fact these were PRESS  conferences, there were NO stories about what was said.  We all need to  march on our news outlets and demand fair coverage!  Boycott advertisers  if need be to get decent reporting!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Lakoff has my vote too, replacing Rahm with him would be a huge shift in the right direction&#8230;or should I say left?</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib &#8211; yes, I agree that Obama has to reclaim the message and the  information.  To do that he needs the same &#8220;rapid response&#8221; that got him  elected &#8211; NO charge goes unremarked.  But how to deal with reporters  who slime him and change what he says?  The Bee does it all the time.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Choicelady I know I loved seeing the families reunite !  Those little kids seeing their daddy!</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  I second the Lakoff nomination. He would certainly get things moving forward and bring everyone together.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Absolutely, we have the pullout of combat troops in Iraq and it&#8217;s  treated like a page 20 story&#8230;meanwhil e, building a Muslim Center in  an old building in NY blocks from Ground Zero is the headline. How  fucked up is that?</li>
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<p>choicelady :   Patsy &#8211; it was incredible, and I guess CNN talked about it but only  MSNBC showed it.  It was so moving &#8211; and it was ahead of the schedule,  and it is DONE.  Violence is not over, but the WAR IS.  Obama did that,  and it&#8217;s as if no one cares!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   CL &#8211; It certainly wouldn&#8217;t hurt to do so, I always bring up Obama&#8217;s  remarkable list of accomplishments and will continue. However, I think  to really change the dynamic, there needs to be a sudden shift in how  Obama is allowing the GOP to control the political discussion in this  nation.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib and Patsy &#8211; then Obama needs to recruit George Lakoff on  messaging.  He used Lakoff&#8217;s principles in the campaign, and he needs to  go back to basics.  Assert the American values we SHARE, and then show  how his policies enact them.  Out with Rahm, in with George!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :   Choicelady YES !!  Where was all the coverage on that?  The MSNBC guy  was the only one there.  He asked to go and was surprised no other  networks had asked to be there</li>
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<p>AdLib :   TIAP &#8211; Rahm is a pro at the game but his interests are ultimately  pro-corporate as those from the DLC are. He tried to kill HCR repeatedly  and it is to Obama&#8217;s credit that he ignored Rahm&#8217;s advice to give up on  HCR and just pass the few things Repubs would agree to.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :   I agree AdLib. The opposition feeds on fear and uncertainty. Logic and  facts play no part in their decision making. They&#8217;re more concerned with  being right than being accurate.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib &#8211; I understand the emotions, but I think the constant drum beat  from all of us would help the wobbly middle.  I&#8217;m never one to try to  convert (well, anyone) the far right, but I DO know the wobbly center  needs information!  And they are NOT getting it!</li>
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<p>choicelady :  Patsy &#8211; I think many of them are, some are teabaggers, some are just dumb.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   CL &#8211; Much as I wish that reminding people of all Obama&#8217;s  accomplishments would work, I don&#8217;t think it would. People are being  driven by emotion right now and my thought is that they can only be  moved by an appeal to their emotions. I just don&#8217;t think reason and  facts can really get through to people who are angry.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   One point about MSM &#8211; I watched the special on MSNBC on the pull out of  combat troops and just cried.  It was so amazing &#8211; Obama DID it!  And  the Sacramento Bee headline was on furloughs with only a SIDEBAR on the  pull out.  That was HISTORIC and got almost NO attention!</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :   I agree that Rahm has to go. He&#8217;s brilliant at campaigns but he&#8217;s too  afraid of what the neighbors will think to steer any significant growth  in the party.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  ChoiceLady I always wonder how many of those posters are paid from the GOP</li>
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<p>choicelady :   One thing we all can do is post &#8211; HP or LETs or Op Eds or whatever,  pointing out the accomplishments and reminding people of the Reagan  Recession and all Bush&#8217;s failures.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   TIAP &#8211; Yes, that&#8217;s the thing, Obama is not a man who is afraid of  things&#8230;unlike Bush and the Repubs who have the seed of fear passed  down to them through their mothers and fathers (right Graham?). SO, he  is capable of doing something bold but the conservatives like Rahm in  his cabinet will no doubt keep warning him away from doing so.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   TIAP &#8211; SO true what Van Jones said. As is the fact that short sighted  voters want the people back in charge who rammed the ship into the  iceberg just to show those trying to save the ship that their pace is  unsatisfactory.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Afterall, he bit off some major projects from day one so he&#8217;s not afraid to fight the good fight.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   TIAP &#8211; The list of his accomplishments in a year and a half far  outnumber Bush&#8217;s 8 years and his failures are far outnumbered by Bush.  He has done a lot but he needs to transcend who he has been if he wants  to be an effective president from this point forward&#8230;especi ally with  the Repub gains coming in Nov.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :   As Van Jones said, we need to remember that Obama agreed to steer the  boat after it hit the iceberg. We need to give him credit for what he&#8217;s  done.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :   I hope you&#8217;re right Patsy. And AdLib, I think you&#8217;re on to something.  There is a difference between reaching consensus and getting what you  want. You have to be willing to compromise when you bring people  together and you have to have no stake in the outcome. His desire to  play nice has made him give up the things that were important, like the  public option. Sometimes making waves doesn&#8217;t build consensus but it  gets you what you want.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   TIAP &#8211; As for being a one-termer, it&#8217;s possible but if he was treated  fairly by the MSM, his accomplishments would be seen as amazing. And  though enough people out there might be willing right now to vote with  their hatred instead of their intellect, when faced with a President  Romney, I think it might sober up enough to re-elect Obama.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   TIAP &#8211; I think it&#8217;s possible, but I also remember how BAD Clinton was  until OK City.  That saved him, really.  He was bold and kind in his  leadership, and it rescued him from the absolute mediocrity of his  administration.  Obama however has actually DONE a huge amount of what  he promised, and he&#8217;s getting no credit for it from anyone.  The Left  hates that he did not drag Bush and Cheney out in chains, and the right  hates him just because he exists.  He&#8217;s a victim less because of failed  policies &#8211; he&#8217;s accomplished them &#8211; than a pure desire of many people  just to hate him.  We got in the habit of detesting anyone in the Oval  Office over the past 30 years, and we&#8217;re not about to give up what&#8217;s  familiar.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  TIAP That does not have to happen &#8211; No one should underestimate Obama</li>
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<p>AdLib :   If you look at Obama&#8217;s history though, he is more of a guy who wants to  bring people together, a community organizer, I just don&#8217;t know if he  has it in him to be more of a firebrand who&#8217;s willing to acknowledge  that he has enemies who can&#8217;t be turned and shouldn&#8217;t be coddled.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Here, here CL!!!! I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :   when Obama was a candidate I was afraid that he&#8217;d be swept into office  with a platform of change, not be able to make that change happen and  end up a 1 term President. Does anyone think that may happen or am I  just seeing the worst case scenario?</li>
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<p>choicelady :   TIAP &#8211; Arianna has taken so much credit for things she never did &#8211; that  real progressives have done for years &#8211; and people let her get away  with it!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  TIAP &#8211; <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" /></li>
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<p>AdLib :  CL &#8211; Well said!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  I want MY Obama back!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   CL &#8211; HP is multimillion dollar hedge-fund owned enterprise, their  decisions have to serve their financial interests first and their  political or philosophical interests second or they could be sued by  their shareholders.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   I want the Obama who said to the Republicans in the bipartisan  discussion on health care that the time was equally divided between Dems  and Reeps, and when the Reeps whined the Dems got more, Obama said, no &#8211;  HE had more. &#8220;I am the President.&#8221;  He said it firmly, and without  flinching.  It&#8217;s almost as if the racist BS has gotten to him and he&#8217;s  scared to be bold for seeming uppity as the Reeps have said.  I say call  it OUT.  LET them say shit like that!  It makes it all the more clear.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  I need a President with balls, I don&#8217;t care what color!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  You don&#8217;t have to get angry to tell the truth</li>
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<p>AdLib :   The real question is, does Obama have it in him to step up so boldly? I  was hoping he would stand up boldly against the Repubs after they  blocked and watered down all of his initiatives but he never did. Just a  few isolated words here and there. Maybe he believes the BS that  America would be afraid of an angry black man so he&#8217;s concerned about  showing the strength and forcefulness we need now. I don&#8217;t know.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :   I&#8217;ve never been a fan of Arianna. She&#8217;s a major diva to work with and  she&#8217;s never really contributed as much to the debate as she thinks she  has.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  I Want My Obama Back !</li>
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<p>choicelady :  TIAP &#8211; I agree. I want &#8220;my&#8221; Obama back! Bring back the fire!</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :   One thing I admired about Obama during the campaign was his ability to  stand on his own. I don&#8217;t see that anymore. I know being the President  means he&#8217;s held in a bubble, but I agree with you 100% that he shouldn&#8217;t  rely so much on his advisors. He needs to restore some of that  independence that made him such a compelling candidate.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib &#8211; that Arianna would let GB have links but not us is purely  sympomatic of the reasons the &#8220;left&#8221; fails.  We are totally unkind to  one another.  No solidarity (making all the 60s rhetoric pretty  meaningless)no respect, total competition against one another.  It&#8217;s  disgusting.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Definitely, Rahm must go!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   TIAP &#8211; I agree, I noted below that I don&#8217;t even feel I have that strong  a sense of Obama&#8217;s identity anymore. He needs badly to assert himself  and enforce upon the nation who he is. That has all gotten lost behind a  sea of cabinet people and advisors.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   TIAP &#8211; I think he IS committed, but his handlers are telling him to  back down and play it &#8220;safe&#8221; &#8211; but &#8220;safe&#8221; is not what his base wants.   We want TR, FDR, and Clinton (without the women) all rolled into one &#8211;  and we do need Obama&#8217;s energy and vision BOLDLY stated.  Rahm has GOT to  go and anyone else who&#8217;s telling him to be quiet.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  CL &#8211; Heh! Indeed! I don&#8217;t know, I could try emailing someone over at HP but I wouldn&#8217;t know who to email.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib &#8211; that&#8217;s disgusting.  I&#8217;d love to see a syrupy note about who  wonderful Arianna is and soooo different from PlanetPov and watch it get  deleted!!!!  Of course I&#8217;d be the only one in on the joke&#8230;</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Have a safe drive HITO.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Sleep well HITO, again, you are a true friend!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hi TIAP !</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  All the Best to you HITO !!!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  CL &#8211; BTW, The Drudge Report, Glenn Beck and others at FOx, all their links are fine.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  I think Obama has forgotten what fiery is. I don&#8217;t see him as committed to anything anymore.</li>
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<p>choicelady :  Good night HITO &#8211; have a good rest and safe drive.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  CL &#8211; Yes, if you use our web address at HP your comment will go to moderation then be deleted.</li>
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<p>choicelady :  Hi TIAP!  Nice to see you.</li>
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<p>HITO :   I&#8217;ve got to go take a nap.  I&#8217;m sorry.  I have to be on the road at  3:30 EST down to the city.  I really would rather stay, but I have a 3  hour drive each way.  Good night my friends, and thank you very much for  your wonderful insights.  (Patsy good luck next week&#8230;bring kleenex  and bottled water cause the cafeteria is too far away.)</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Hey TIAP! Great to see ya! We&#8217;re talking about urging Obama to come out  with a fiery speech to the nation, calling the Repubs on all the hatred  and racism and trying to keep the country failing just for cynical  political gain.</li>
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<p>choicelady :  What SArah knows about &#8220;real responsibilities &#8221; you could put in the palm of her hand.  And still have room for the notes.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :   This would also be a good exercise for those who think they have all  the answers &#8230; Real governing is very hard &#8230; hey, anyone remember  quitter Palin saying at the repub convention &#8220;Being a governor is kinda  like being a community organizer only it is just that you have actual  responsibilities &#8220;</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib &#8211; HP BLOCKED PLANETPOV??????? ?  OK &#8211; now I am REALLY peeved!   That&#8217;s outrageous censorship, just proving the gummint isn&#8217;t the real  enemy.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Hey all! Sorry I&#8217;m late. What&#8217;s the topic?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Patsy &#8211; Oh Lord, won&#8217;t you buy me a BMW. The poor folks want fairness, I  don&#8217;t know what to do. Worked hardly all my lifetime, got tax cuts for  the few, So Lord, won&#8217;t you buy me a BMW?</li>
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<p>choicelady :  AdLib &#8211; I like that about the letter and the speech.  It&#8217;s definitely worth doing, and thanks for such a super idea!</li>
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<p>HITO :  CL, you are too funny.  Scab picking is spot on!</li>
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<p>choicelady :   HITO &#8212; LOL &#8211; I walk away for over 24 hours, but it&#8217;s usually because I  forget, not by intention!  But there is something alluring about it,  isn&#8217;t there?  Like picking at a scab&#8230;</li>
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<p>HITO :   CL:  Nah, nobody bought into it.  Everyone complains, but no one could  walk away for 24 hours.  It would have been noticed and maybe somethings  would have gotten addressed.  Adlib, I&#8217;ll keep my eye out over  here&#8230;can you put up the link as well or should I email you for it?</li>
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<p>choicelady :   Oooh Patsy I&#8217;d forgotten Janis&#8217; great song on that! One heavily made up  and wigged evangelist (you shoulda seen his wife) told a story about a  guy who found Jayzuz and got himself a condo in Florida and a Mer SAY  deez Bendz.  Must be nice&#8230;</li>
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<p>AdLib :   I think there are two documents that should come out of this proposed  post, one should be the cover letter to Obama, including words of  encouragement to step up as have been written here and another as a  sample of the type of speech we wouls like to see him give.</li>
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<p>choicelady :  HITO &#8211; I missed that.  Hope I didn&#8217;t post on a don&#8217;t post day!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  BMW ??  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-GFqhCq2HA" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>HITO :   CL:  I tried to rally a &#8220;don&#8217;t post on hp for one day&#8221; event to get  some attention from hp&#8217;s control center.  No one wanted to do it.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   HITO &#8211; one of the conservative Reep Assembly members in CA said almost  that.  What the F can I do about the poor?  He rather missed the second  line that said YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING IT BETTER.  For THEM, not  yourself!!!!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO AND CL &#8211; Thanks for offering, I understand the issues with trolls  and deletions there. When the post is up, I will provide a special link  to the post since HP has put our web address on their blocked list.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   HITO &#8211; I had a completely innocuous post deleted over there.  I&#8217;m an  historian by background, and they routinely delete ALL references to  past matters that don&#8217;t fit the knee jerk frame.  I think all three of  your reasons are right &#8211; rogues, loose Reeps, bad tech.</li>
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<p>HITO :  lol&#8230;let me buy a BMW!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Thank you CL.  Wow.  I am humbled.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   Patsy T &#8211; depends on which verse.  &#8220;The poor you will always have with  you&#8221; can and has led to &#8220;so what the hell can I do about it, let me buy a  BMW.&#8221;  I&#8217;ll find the right one.  And some other relevant stuff.  The  Bible has GOOD things in it as well as crappy things.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   CL &#8211; &#8220;Stand up, President O &#8211; we believe in you, and you CAN turn this  country around! Be bold! Be foresighted! Be brave!&#8221; That is the kind of  message we need to send to Obama, indeed!</li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib, I&#8217;ll try.  The deletions on HP are out of control.  Either rogue  dems, or they&#8217;ve given the deletion function to a couple of Repubs.  Or  their software is all fucked up again.  Pick one.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; Yes, I saw that about Obama&#8217;s numbers which is pretty remarkable  considering the shitstorm he stepped into. At the same time, this  nation is becoming a powderkeg and if it goes off, it could destroy all  of that for Obama.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib &#8211; HITO and I both do HP.  I always am pleased to see HITO there.   Only real sense, may I say.  So yes, we will put out the call only &#8211;  you KNOW the trolls will come our way, too?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :   Choicelady,  how about quoting scriptures &#8211; The poor ye will have with  ye always- The repubs like to pretend that they are not really there.</li>
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<p>HITO :   O&#8217;s going to have to romance the nation again, at least the dems.  They  need to fall in love with him all over again.  And that can only happen  based on him summoning that character and strength that he showed in  the primaries.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib &#8211; I agree that we&#8217;ve lost the real Obama, and I do think the  advisors, wimps that they are, are largely to blame.  Stand up,  President O &#8211; we believe in you, and you CAN turn this country around!   Be bold!  Be foresighted!  Be brave!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; Right, we&#8217;ll keep it open for at least a week. Maybe you and  other folks who are at HP a bit could invite people to offer their POVs  and sign it. The more names on a call for Obama to step up on this, the  better.</li>
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<p>choicelady :  Bito &#8211; you didn&#8217;t KNOW we were in deep shit?  You&#8217;re so sweet!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; Yes, I do feel myself like I can&#8217;t get a hold of Obama as an  individual. He needs to assert himself as THE leader of our nation and  he could turn things around. Americans respect strength, even when  idiots like Bush pretend to have it.</li>
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<p>HITO :  When an &#8220;independent slash former Repub&#8221; like Bloomberg is doing the right thing&#8230;we are in deep shit.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   Oh bito &#8211; I did NOT know that!  I did look up the Reagan Recession and  saw that unemployment was HIGHER than it is now and lasted for 2-4 years  at around 10% and there was NO recession after the first year.  We need  to keep hammering on that.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   CL &#8211; That is what I sadly expected to be growing across the country.  Think about it, New York of all places has become a place for  intolerance. It&#8217;s everywhere and intensifying, like a cancer, spreading  all over. It has to be stamped out and only Obama could do that.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib, I like that idea.  Don&#8217;t close the window to do so too early, OK?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Did you not see what i posted?  Obama&#8217;s polling numbers are higher  than Reagans at their first midterm.  All is not lost.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   Patsy &#8211; I think Obama nees to &#8220;go Roosevelt&#8221; &#8211; bold strokes on message,  refusal to capitulate to the hatemongers, and an assertion that we&#8217;ve  always been strongest when we work together.  He needs to remind us that  our best programs &#8211; Medicare and Social Security &#8211; need to be  strengthened and expanded.  Care for one another is an American value!</li>
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<p>HITO :   So Obama has lost his original, singular identity.  Is that the problem  bottom line?  How does a POTUS hold onto that, especially in these  difficult times.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Patsy &#8211; Let&#8217;s put that up as a post tomorrow and seek contributions  from everyone as to what they would want Obama to say to the nation  about all of this.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  AdLib, just gathering all kind of views on &#8211; What do you want our President to say ?  Would be a great thing.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib &#8211; it&#8217;s gotten scary ugly.  Yes, there are lots of my folks  standing in the doorway to protect Muslims.  Yes the GLBT community is  solidary and not backing down.  But I&#8217;ve had violence all around me just  in this last month, and if we don&#8217;t have a &#8220;DO NOT TOLERATE&#8221; message  from the White House it won&#8217;t stop.  It won&#8217;t stop anyway, but it might  ease off.</li>
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<p>HITO :  CL:  Agree.  Now he&#8217;s got Gibbs out there and I&#8217;m not thrilled with his performances of late.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; You&#8217;re right about Obama having baggage and being tagged  negatively by Dems as well as Repubs. He needs to break out of all that  and taking a tough aggressive one-man campaign on fighting hatred and  intolerance would be a great way to do that.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  AdLib Yes That what I&#8217;m talking about!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   CL &#8211; I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s getting uglier and uglier out there. The thing is,  it feels like only a matter of time until more violence results from  this whipping up of hatred. If Obama thinks it&#8217;s too problematic now to  address, what problems will he have if this racist hatred boils over  into riots?</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib &#8211; I like that: playing defense just ain&#8217;t gonna climb that hill.   Through the 2008 campaign, he never let a smarmy remark go unanswered.   Now?  He passes on them all, and it gives the other side room to  expand.  Like Harry Potter&#8217;s aunt, they expand!  He has to stop that.</li>
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<p>HITO :  The Warren appointment should have happened.  She is qualified and it would have sent a message &#8220;OK, done with this, next?&#8221;</li>
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<p>choicelady :   HITO &#8211; I agree.  I really want those guys GONE.  Obama has GOT to  appoint Elizabeth Warren or appear to be totally in the banks&#8217; hip  pockets.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Patsy &#8211; That would be a positive exercise. We could write the kind of  speech we&#8217;d want Obama to deliver and get people to sign on.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib, he has baggage now.  Rahm, Geithner, Petraeus, all perceived  negatively at times and now associated as being Obama&#8217;s choices.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   AdLib &#8211; it&#8217;s a dream for me since I&#8217;m wheat intolerant, and the enjera  bread is teff and barley.  But I&#8217;m about to pop I&#8217;m so full!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Hey CL! Mmm&#8230;sounds delicious! Been a while since I had Ethiopian.</li>
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<p>choicelady :  PatsyT &#8211; it WAS delicious.  Messy as all get out, but absolutely wonderful.</li>
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<p>choicelady :   Hi AdLib &#8211; I&#8217;d like Obama to do what you all are suggesting and talk  about how we are one nation, free, and that requires respect for  differences.  I&#8217;m wading into the &#8220;hate Muslims&#8221; broohaha, and the  vituperation is scary bad. He needs to lead us out.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito and HITO &#8211; It&#8217;s not worth the hassle to argue with those who don&#8217;t  care about facts or the truth, what&#8217;s the point? And people are  justifiably lacking in enthusiasm, Obama is not pushing back as hard as  he is being pushed and as much as I respect his even keeled demeanor,  now is a time for fighting for this nation and energizing those who want  what&#8217;s best for it. Playing defense just ain&#8217;t gonna climb that hill.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Hi CL.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hey Choicelady, sound delicious !</li>
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<p>choicelady :  Hi everyone &#8211; sorry to be late to the table.  I was out eating Ethiopian, and it slowed me down!  LOTS of great food.</li>
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<p>HITO :  I look up above my desk at my wall of graphics&#8230;I see the Obama one where he is pointing and the caption &#8220;I Got This&#8221;.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Lets write the speech for Obama &#8230;  I mean what would you like to hear him stand and deliver?</li>
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<p>HITO :   In my community, I see a change also.  People are disappointed, not  &#8220;fired up&#8221; anymore.  Granted it is usually from the media&#8217;s  misinformation.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; That is what burns me up about the spoiled-brat Dems out there.  Obama hasn&#8217;t delivered everything they wanted (or what I wanted) but  like brats, they scream like they&#8217;re on fire&#8230;without using a little  part of their brain to imagine what a President Romney and Repub  Congress in 2012 would do to this nation.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  HITO, I don&#8217;t think HP is any guage.  Our &#8220;weekly&#8221; (left) has nothing ut RW commenters. Most leftys left-not worth the hassle</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib &#8220;pick and choose&#8221;.  Interesting concept.  That is what is happening.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Obama can do this- preach Fire !</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Patsy &#8211; That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m syaing too. Obama should step up and speak to  the nation about how this hatred is destroying our country and is  unAmerican. He should lay out that true Americans respect the entire  Constitution and those that pick and choose are not respect-worthy  Americans. He needs to preach fire on this now, sitting back and hoping  things will turn around in the future is not what&#8217;s needed now.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Only time they hush is a &#8220;what if McCain had won&#8221;.  Silence of course.   God help us if that had happened.  He&#8217;d nuke all our problems away.</li>
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<p>HITO :   If hp is anything to use as a gauge, I am amazed at the numbers of dems  that do not like Obama anymore.  Have lost faith because they didn&#8217;t  get their sweeping changes they expected.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Bito LOLOL me too !</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; I know, I see it too. For Repubs, it&#8217;s easy. They have no  principles to differ on with each other, just winning. That makes unity  very easy. Dems actually think for themselves which does cause more  difficulty in being united.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  I don&#8217;t belong to an organized party &#8212; I&#8217;m a Democrat.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  AdLib they need their leader to do it for them and that will have to be Obama</li>
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<p>HITO :  Dems argue too much amongst themselves.  I&#8217;ve seen libs go at it over the details.  Just sad.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; That will indeed be their downfall. I&#8217;m not saying the Dems  should be mindless robots marching in step like the Repubs but when they  are all under attack by the Repubs, why can&#8217;t they band together?</li>
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<p>HITO :   As an example, I watch how the Repubs on HP join together to spin.   They support each other in their delusion.  Dems argue too much.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  I hope Obama gets out in front of this bs and fast</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Obamas poll numbers are higher than St. Ronnie at his first mid-term.  Does anyone bring that up on the MSM?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Why can&#8217;t the Dems and Obama realize it&#8217;s in all of their interests to  respond as one to each racist and offensive &#8220;issue&#8221; thrown out by  Repubs?</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib, it&#8217;s all about being united.  And the dems are not.  It will be our downfall.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   My big problem with everything that&#8217;s going on is that Obama and the  Dems seem to be too concerned about the ramifications of calling  bullshit on all of the Repubs bullshit so they allow it to become debate  fodder. If the Dems and Obama would work together and respond in a  united way to expose the fraud that Repubs are in each case, the  conversation will eventually change to being about the Repubs being  mercenary assholes.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hey what Biden said is right on &#8211; This is not your fathers Republican Party!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Bito:  &#8220;Bananas are alien fruit&#8221;&#8230;LOL</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  I think the Old man would like to slap the younger Graham. Not that he was without fault</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Amen!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Is it true that brains are passed down only from non-prejudiced preachers to their sons?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Graham and his followers</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib, Ok, BRB</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Bananas may be Christian.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Graham said it so matter of factly, he really believes that bullshit.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Yes HITO, I see them. You may want to clear your cache and restart your browser.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Bananas have no seeds!  Alien fruit!!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  If there are no demon seeds in Graham&#8217;s twisted version of Christianity, where do all the demons grow from?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  HITO yes</li>
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<p>HITO :  Wow, I was lost in another dimension for a bit.  My comments weren&#8217;t posting.  Hope you can see this.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Oh no you said watermelon</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Bito, yes no demons there &#8211; ever!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  That is the only reason I am letting Harry slide&#8211; Right Angle</li>
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<p>AdLib :  bito &#8211; Yes, I saw that. Christianity is seedless. Like watermelon.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Patsy &#8211; As if when Muslims are born, there is a magical seed of Islam  that is implanted in them that needs to be surgically removed before it  grows and takes over their minds? Invasion of the Body Snatchers is his  template for religion?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  He did say that Christianity couldn&#8217;t be passed on&gt; ergo no demon seed with Christians?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   And what about Harry Reid coming out to oppose it? What business is it  of his? And dissing Obama at the same time? If Sharron Angle wasn&#8217;t his  opponent, I would be so much more indifferent about his winning  re-election.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  AdLib Yeah, that word -SEED- so like demon seed</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Patsy &#8211; &#8220;The seed of Judism passes through the mother, the seed of  Islam passes through the father.&#8221; What about the seeds of hatred and  intolerance, they seem to pass through both to him.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  I don&#8217;t think he backed off the first amend.  I thought he answered a question.  It is a local situation.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Here&#8217;s the link to that AP article: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ground_zero_mosque_obama" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>HITO :   The mosque issue should not have gone national.  It is a matter for  planning/zoning of NYC in conjunction with the Office of Historical  Buildings.  Pat Robertson&#8217;s group rushed in with an injunction&#8230;rid  iculous.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  bito &#8211; From the AP: A day later, Obama told reporters that he wasn&#8217;t endorsing the specifics of the plan.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :   HITO well I am kidding -but seriously did any one see that John King  interview with Billy Grahm&#8217;s  son?  John King ??  what a zombie !</li>
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<p>AdLib :  bito &#8211; He did say something to the effect of, &#8220;I&#8217;m not saying that they should build the mosque there.&#8221;</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Bito &#8211; What about a big speech on the big picture here? The Repubs  using racism, xenophobia, blocking the recovery, etc. all for political  advantage and calling them out on how unAmerican all of that is? That  would put the Repuns back on the defensive and change the whole  conversation to what it should be, the greed and lust for power behind  all of this.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Patsy:  LOL!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  You know that head scarf idea would save a lot of time messing with my hair</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  AdLib I did not hear him make any real back-up.  The pundits said he said.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Patsy:  I like that.  Not sure muslims would like that, but it would make a point.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  pATSY &#8211; :LOL:</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  I am ready to go become a muslin just to screw with them</li>
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<p>HITO :   The mosque situation is very disappointing, more so that it&#8217;s happening  in NYC, home of the dem.  The perceived back pedal by O was a big  mistake.  He should have let Bloomberg handle it.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :   If he makes a speech on it it should be very short. He should emphasize  that it a nothing but distraction from the real problems facing us,  then move on to jobs and the economy.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   And as a side note on strategy, why are the Dems such suckers? When the  RW concocts bullshit issues, instead of ignoring them or calling  bullshit on them, they jump in on them as if they&#8217;re important and legit  issues!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Personally, I am very disappointed that Obama backed off of saying that  America is a place for all people to worship any religion they wish and  prejudice is not justification for refusing people rights.</li>
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<p>HITO :  The high road is not working.  He needs to speak to it head on and address this insanity.  He&#8217;s a muslim again&#8230;just insane.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Beautifully designed using aluminum&#8230;light weight and if I&#8217;m not mistaken surgical tubing.  Thing of beauty, but deadly.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Why don&#8217;t we begin? What has happened to moral leadership in this  nation? This ongoing racism and xenophobia from the Right is being  presented by the MSM as reasonable opinions and treated by the Dems and  Obama as having some merit. Should Obama have a speech to the nation  taking this hatred head on and exposing the political cynicism behind it  or continue trying just to deal with and deflect these sensitive  issues?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Those things were lethal&#8211;and quiet!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Had&#8230;my mom saw it in action and snipped the hoses and pitched it.</li>
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<p>HITO :  My brother had a wristrocket, Bito.</li>
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<p>HITO :  LOL..you should have seen those bunnies jump straight up in the air.  They came back within an hour or two.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  HITO, look up wrist rocket.  I had a friend that hunted with one.  That was a slingshot!!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Oh Mom-m-m-m-m!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  You&#8217;ll put your eye out!!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; I was about to compare it to a slingshot! And yes, my mother was  right for taking it away, slingshots and the old school zip guns really  could hurt someone.</li>
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<p>HITO :   I had a slingshot once.  Used it to chase the bunnies away from my  garden.  Used rolled up post it sheets&#8230;could never use a rock&#8230;you  could kill someone!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; Yes, like many things from childhood, it has morphed into something way more serious.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib:  Oh.  Nevermind.</li>
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<p>HITO :   OK, I googled (I know shouldn&#8217;t use google anymore)  But a zip gun is  an improvised gun disguised as something else, like a flashlight or cell  phone.  Think Bourne identity.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   When I was a kid, a zip gun was made out of wood, used a rubber band or  spring to &#8220;shoot&#8221; a small item like a button or marble. As a young boy,  I was irresistibly drawn to something like that.</li>
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<p>HITO :  It&#8217;s hard.  Very hard.  She finally called me this afternoon.  She&#8217;s loving it.  Have to let go.  Sigh.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Not yet, we are leaving next week.  How was your drop off?  I hope I don&#8217;t cry too much!</li>
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<p>HITO :   Patsy, thanks&#8230;seven months in the making.  He&#8217;s staying with me two  weeks.  Hey did you drop your daughter off?  I did Thursday.  Sigh</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  That is great news HITO !</li>
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<p>HITO :  Friend?  and then some&#8230;.lol</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Yes what is a zip gun?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  That is the sign of a true friend, driving someone to or from the airport! Please say hi to Seek for me!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Sorry, what&#8217;s a zip gun?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Hey all.Zip gun??</li>
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<p>HITO :  HI Adlib!  Seek says hi, he is in transit to airport, I&#8217;m picking him up at JFK at 7am.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Hey HITO!!!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Hey Bito! That must&#8217;ve been a drag. I remember my mom finding a zip gun  I bought from a friend at school when I was a kid in a drawer of mine,  took it away, never got to even try it out!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Hi Patsy!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hey HITO!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hey bito !</li>
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<p>HITO :  Hi kids, sorry I&#8217;m late.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  My mom found my stash when she was packing for me.  Damn!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  I&#8217;ve got some Sizzler coupons&#8230;</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Yes, start getting a stock pile of cash</li>
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<p>AdLib :  I&#8217;ve got 11 years until it&#8217;s time for mine, should I start preparing now?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Getting kids off to college Is a full time job!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  I know you&#8217;ve had your hands full, hope things are settling down.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  All Good !</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Hey Patsy! How are you this fine evening?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hi There!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Remember to say &#8220;hi&#8221; when you arrive!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Vox Populi, our live chat about the week&#8217;s events, begins shortly at  7:00 pm PST. You can participate in the sidebar on any page or on the  Vox Populi page by going through this link: <a rel="nofollow" href="../live-events/vox-populi/">«link»</a> Hope to see you then!</li>
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		<title>Vox Populi &#8211; 8-13-2010</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 01:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AdLib</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[AdLib : Sorry Khirad, I wrote a comment last night, there was a hiccup at the beginning of VP that showed a blank screen until the window was refreshed. A quirk from updating the software, it&#8217;s fixed now. Sorry! bitohistory : I don&#8217;t know Khirad we were here and going strong. Good time was had [...]]]></description>
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<p>AdLib :   Sorry Khirad, I wrote a comment last night, there was a hiccup at the  beginning of VP that showed a blank screen until the window was  refreshed. A quirk from updating the software, it&#8217;s fixed now. Sorry!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  I don&#8217;t know Khirad we were here and going strong. Good time was had by all.</li>
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<p>Khirad :  I&#8217;m still surprised that it ever got going. I was here at 9 pacific and nobody else was&#8230;</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Gotta love it when VoxPop ends with the line &#8220;Silly Rabbit&#8221;  <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" /></li>
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<p>AdLib :  Silly rabbit!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  O put a rabbit in there</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Silly kids trick are for kids</li>
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<p>AdLib :  And a hummina-hummina to you too!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Back atcha, Patsy and AdLib!  shjkfya vfne  afbab s fbhah!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Night Patsy!!! Sleep well!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Kes, that gibberish was just as advertised. Thanks, it was VerGooman!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hugs to all !</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Likewise, b&#8217;ito. I think I too will call it a day. I promised gibberish  and I have delivered in full, I believe. Good night all, and thanks for  your good wishes in so many areas of my &#8220;interesting&#8221; life!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Guess we should wrap Vox for the night. Thanks Bito, Patsy and Kesmarn  and everyone else who&#8217;s already headed out for a fun and invigorating  evening! Sleep well and have a great weekend!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Night Bito, great to have you here tonight! Have a wonderful weekend!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Love you Bito !!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  peace</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Mo goo gai zon</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  wellpers! it is that time to be late for me. nighty-nite all.  Keep in touch with yourselves.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Latter Day BandWidth Sellers</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Gogonazola</li>
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<p>AdLib :  VerMorGoo</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Goomonzon.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Church of the googly zon</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Gorgonzo</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  VergleMor?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Gooizon</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Along with &#8220;no&#8221; to a 12 pack.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  VerMoogle.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  &#8220;Nuclear&#8221; is something Bush can&#8217;t say too.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  The Mormons, Google and Verizon are in a vast conspiracy&#8230;</li>
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<p>AdLib :  But the Mormon&#8217;s have your relatives social security numbers, they&#8217;ll track you down, you special interest, you.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  did anyone read that there were &#8220;only&#8221;26 Americans killed abroad by terrorists ?  Something Bush could never say.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Fortunately Google was not crawling the site when I made those most unprofessional comments&#8230;   <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" /></li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Will Sarah have any more ?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I would be deeeeelighted to be Sarah&#8217;s nurse. Heh-heh-heh&#8230; &#8220;Why yes, Mrs. Palin&#8230;this is what the doctor ordered&#8230;&#8221;</li>
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<p>AdLib :  bito &#8211; you&#8217;re landlocked by a sea of red? Well, you know what color you need to turn red to orange.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Kes &#8211; Could I convince you to tell those same jokes to Sarah Palin?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  I&#8217;m afraid to leave Tucson, the little blue island.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  It was probably the fact that my jokes were so BAD, they took the only way out&#8230; Tragic, really.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Kes &#8211; You have made a patient laugh so hard they died? Ooh, tell me the joke, I&#8217;ve got a defibrillator on my desk.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  b&#8217;ito&#8217;s right. The drugs do make everything funnier.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Kes, What a way to go !</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; AZ has some serious Repub infestation, horrible candidates  winning in every direction. In ten nor twenty years, when the white  people are in the minority, we&#8217;ll see how much they like majority rule.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I&#8217;ve had many a complaint lodged against me for terminal laughination.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  But they have drugs k&#8217;es. that&#8217;s why we luv&#8217;em</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Ha those evil nurses making those patients laugh to death</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Nurses! They&#8217;re the worst! Whiny things! And they have a tendency to verbally abuse their patients, I&#8217;m told!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Michael Moore claims in Capitalism, A Love Story that the middle class  was born from the Sit Down Strike in MI that begat strong unions. Makes  sense to me. So, all these middle class Repubs attacking unions wouldn&#8217;t  be middle class if not for them. Ingrates.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hayworth is the epitome of botox</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Teachers and Nurses !  Ha !</li>
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<p>bitohistory :   The thing is , he does the same flip-flop every election cycle.  this  time it is really bad because of teabagger Hayworth running against him.   But he will still get fucking elected.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Them and those trouble-making, rabble-rousing teachers!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Wanting jobs! They&#8217;re spoiled!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Unions built the middle class</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Damn special interests! Working people!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I&#8217;ll bet that was what they were referring to, AdLib. Thanks for doing instant research. Go Union!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   I found this article in the LA TIMES: &#8220;Several thousand union members  rallied Friday on the south lawn at Los Angeles City Hall, calling on  state and federal leaders to do more to address the state&#8217;s 12.3%  unemployment rate. But what was billed as a jobs rally was laced with  heavy criticism for the Republicans running for governor and senator,  Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina.  During an event organized by the Los  Angeles County Federation of Labor, union leaders showered U.S.  Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer with praise while casting Fiorina and  Whitman as a &#8220;job destruction duo.&#8221;"</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  It was a crawl on TV, but I can&#8217;t remember which cable channel&#8230;</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Bito I love old hippies ?-? some are my family!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Kes &#8211; No, what did you hear about that?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  I don&#8217;t know were that came from Patsy.  Old hippie thing.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   I wonder if he will claim to be a Maverick again and explain that only a  true Maverick would deny his Maverickosity during a campaign where  being a Maverick would be a bad thing.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  O/T But did anyone hear anything about a large rally in Los Angeles for jobs?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  They were in Tucson, she drew a bigger crowd  <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" /></li>
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<p>kesmarn :  And doing whatever it takes to get there.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  And think how weakened McCain will be as a Senator, he stands for nothing now but getting re-elected.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  &#8220;Those that can, do. Those that can&#8217;t, teach.&#8221; Only true in McC&#8217;s case.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  I do get some satisfaction from McCain needing Palin to stump for him, what a perfect comeuppance, humiliated like that.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  And then they made him an instructor!  <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" /></li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Bito is that a doors song?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Nite HITO stay strange but not a stranger.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I wonder if he&#8217;s destroyed more govt equipment than the amount of salary he&#8217;s &#8220;earned&#8221; through the years&#8230;</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Night HITO!!!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Bito not everyone can go and wreck fighter planes</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  My pleasure, HITO.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  He was swaddled in Government nappies, he has had gov ernment HC all his life!! but he is against it for everybody else</li>
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<p>HITO :   Back soon.  Damn, I&#8217;ve got to stop with the hitting return function.   And Kes, thanks for the adding the &#8220;V&#8221;.  I am now an official youtube  poster here.  Be well kids.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I hear you, HITO. Have a good night! Thanks for being here!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  HITO, all the best  and get great rest!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Love you guys.  Thanks for a great night.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Kids, I&#8217;ve got to hit the hay.  HITO&#8217;s been up since 5am EST and it&#8217;s almost 1am EST.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; yes, that&#8217;s what I understand, so a jerk like her doesn&#8217;t appeal  to every single judge on the court, they say &#8220;Okay, we&#8217;ll look at it.  Denied. Now get lost!&#8221;</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Anchors Away</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  it was already denied by Thomas and your right AdLib the second judge always refers it to the court.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Hahahahahaha!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Panama Canal.  Daddy was in the DOD.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  McCain was born in Panama. He is an anchor baby.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Well I&#8217;d like it unstandardized.  I&#8217;d like to see her get a volume or  two of law precedent throw at her with the full force of reality.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Was McCain born in the U.S.?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  She&#8217;s very upset about it and has had to pay legal fees no doubt to get to the SCOTUS, probably will cost her 100k all in.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  This is standard process just before the court tosses the appeal.</li>
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<p>HITO :  $20K?  That&#8217;s all. Damn.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   &#8220;A request to U.S. Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito by &#8220;birther&#8221;  attorney Orly Taitz asking that $20,000 in sanctions against her be  reversed was referred on Tuesday to the entire court.&#8221;  Read more: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/12/1773183/alito-refers-birther-attorney.html#ixzz0wYHANYN3" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>PatsyT :  WFP</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Maybe &#8212; Oh God, We&#8217;re Fucked Pumps</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  All of the Above or below</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Or maybe &#8220;Fuck U.S. Pumps&#8221;.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Oh you clever man&#8230;BP FMPs.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  AdLib I think that is Fuck You Pumps</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Whee! I hadn&#8217;t heard that. Orly, it&#8217;s time to pay up and shut up&#8230;at long last.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  I hear BP makes &#8220;Fuck Me Pumps&#8221;.</li>
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<p>HITO :  I&#8217;d like to see Oily contribute $100K to our deficit, $200K would be even better.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Well she is loaded ?-?loaded with BS</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  yeah it is hard to believe that half the r&#8217;s don&#8217;t believe he was born in the US and a bunch think he is a Muslim</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Well, Orly Taitz is being slamdunked by the SCOTUS and will have to pay  fines for her campaign in the courts over Obama&#8217;s citizenship, that&#8217;s  cool!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Well I will be busy then</li>
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<p>HITO :  In my day they were &#8220;Fuck Me Pumps&#8221;  I think&#8230;I&#8217;m old</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Patsy!  <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" /> CFM Pumps!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Patsy &#8211; Once you&#8217;ve done all that, I&#8217;d suggest wrapping yourself up in  the Confederate flag and holding a noose in your non-written on hand.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Kes, fuck em all.  BTW, I saw a &#8220;GLOBE&#8221; edition at the supermarket  today I refused to pick up.  Told stories about how O is not a citizen,  and retold his African history before he was planted here to take  control.  Assholes.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Oooo kes Red Stilleto Heels Or as we used to say &#8211; Come fuck me pumps</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Some stilleto heels, Patsy and lots of tea bags on the 10 gallon hat.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; That is what it means to have a man of principle as president.  Even though he knows the RW would use this against him and the Dems as  coddling terrorists, he does the right thing. And the Purist Dems want a  President Romney in 2012? DO they think Romney would have said that?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   YAY for our Prez! But &#8220;they&#8221; will say: &#8220;Of course, he would say that.  He&#8217;s a Muslim.&#8221; On the other hand: who cares what they say!!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Patsy, I&#8217;m a smoker, now stop it.  I&#8217;m laughing too hard and it hurts!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :   OK so my wardrobe will consist of White Sheet, Ten Gallon Hat, Oh the  background smoldering crosses, bad spelling on my hand&#8230; hmm what am I  missing?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Even so, my God can beat your God up.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :   did anyone see The Pres. today on the Mosque topic?                 &lt;blockquote&gt; OBAMA: Let me be clear: as a citizen, and as  President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their  religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to  build a place of worship and a community center on private property in  lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is  America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;</li>
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<p>HITO :   Crazy kids part deux.  I&#8217;ve been lapsed out of so many religions&#8230;but  the best part was that I know if there is a god, it&#8217;s the god of all, no  matter what stupid human attributes everyone tries to ascribe to it.   It laughs it&#8217;s ass off at the mere thought.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; The reality is, these types will dispute everything that doesn&#8217;t  agree with their BS. You provide a link, they attack the site as  biased. Provide a fact, they&#8217;ll claim it&#8217;s not a fact. They aren&#8217;t  interested in a legit debate, it&#8217;s just about shouting as loudly as they  can that they&#8217;re right.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib, if you&#8217;re ever over in the other world and see &#8220;barkrudedog&#8221;  go  there.  Bastard argued with Seek and I and another epic poster named  &#8220;soitgoes&#8221; for hours about the need for back up links.  We were shmucks  to have engaged that long, but the environment dictated we do so.  Sigh</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Patsy &#8211; One more hint: The scent of burned cross is their favorite perfume.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  That will all be settled out at the big WWF GOD MATCH,</li>
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<p>AdLib :  But I&#8217;ve heard that Christian God is stronger than Islamic God.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  AdLib my desk is right next to the linen closet and I have scissors at the ready !</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I think their little, tiny mouse shaped god might have. Allah told me he didn&#8217;t have a thing to do with it, though, AdLib.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; That should tell you all you need to know. &#8220;Facts? We don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; facts!&#8221;</li>
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<p>HITO :  Nah, God&#8217;s on our side, Adlib.  Don&#8217;t cha know?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Kes &#8211; Maybe God made it disappear?</li>
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<p>HITO :   THey refuse to post links.  They refuse to offer justification for  their reasonings.  LOL.  You can&#8217;t make them do it.  Kinda the big  picture, you know.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  They did seem to be slow readers HITO. Maybe it took &#8216;em 4 days to get through 3 sentences.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; When you&#8217;re in a fight with Zombies, hard to win with logic.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Kes, LMAO!&#8230;.sat in pending for four days.  Somethings way wrong with that.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   I posted at the SIOA (Stop the Islamization of America) site that Islam  was a religion of peace and that moderate Muslims were our brothers and  sisters. Sat in &#8220;pending&#8221; for 4 days. Then vanished.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Thrillseeker, my ass.  We went in, we got bashed (to see how the other  side lives) and thank god, anastasiabeaverh ousen came in with two  others to bash back for a bit.  Seek&#8217;s nuts, he wants to got back&#8230;not  me.  I was scared.  They jumped us real good.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  That is a plan kes I am sharpening my sharpie now</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Clean Coal = Non-Radioactive Nuclear energy.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Patsy &#8211; You might try wearing a white hood at RW sites, I hear that really turns them on.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  well right AdLib Fossil fuels esp. all that Clean Coal</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib, thanks for the 60 minutes link, bookmarked, damn it&#8217;s going to be a 3 cupper of darjeeling in the morning.  merci.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; You are a thrillseeker! Tucker&#8217;s site is a garbage dump for RWs.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Yes, Patsy, they respond to little symbolic things like that. You might  try winking a lot and writing messages on the palm of your hand, too.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Kids, I blogged over at Tucker Carlsons site.  Yikes!  Batshitcrazy they are and nasty.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  What woudl Jesus do&#8230;to heat water without using fossil fuels!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Next time I am blogging at a bagger site I will wear a hat</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Bito &#8211; our water heaters out in Cali are mostly NG heaters so solar  would definitely be better but it wouldn&#8217;t reduce oil usage.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Kes, and he was a patient carpenter.  Still is.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  AdLib, thank gods we have an administration that won&#8217;t actively try to bury this technology to protect big oil/energy.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I love poor carpenters!  Starting with one who was in the Middle East a couple thousand years ago!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO and anyone else who hasn&#8217;t seen it, here is a link to the 60  Minutes piece on the Bloom Box. If it all works out, we could solve our  energy and CO2 issues in a year! <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6228923n&amp;tag=related;photovideo" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>bitohistory :   the savings in money and oil would be tremendous with 1/3 of all homes  have solar hot water heaters!! and you could hire a poor carpenter to  help build it. <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /></li>
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<p>HITO :   Aw, you crazy kids.  I didn&#8217;t know BDM hasn&#8217;t been on here, or I would  have said something sappy to her.  I&#8217;m good at sappy.  She was funny as  shit and took no hostages, but you knew that about her already.  And I  will re-direct her accordingly, should I have the pleasure again.   Haven&#8217;t seen her over there in 6 months, easy.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Patsy, the fact that he&#8217;s wearing a cowboy hat might get their attention. Briefly.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Do you think any of those tea bagging haywagons might listen to this guy? <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.solarworld-usa.com/" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Better for the planet. Cheaper for the consumer. Win-win.</li>
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<p>HITO :  I bookmarked that Adlib.  Thanks.  But not before noticing how close two of the graphics of demarcation are to me.  Sigh.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   kes &#8211; I think the figure is around 80% of energy is lost as it&#8217;s  transmitted through the grid. Imagine if you had a generator in your  backyard, like a water heater and directly powered your own home. We  could eliminate that 80% loss by using a grid and our energy needs would  evaporate massively.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   You hit the nail on the head, HITO. First Energy (power company here)  is fighting this tooth and nail, too. They&#8217;re being sued by a Consumer&#8217;s  group now for obstructing these types of initiatives.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Kes, a couple of folks I know did just that.  Are putting power back in  the grid, but it was a hard long fight after spending alot of money.   And they pretty much had to threaten my local energy carrier to get  their paltry reimbursement.  Keep telling myself it will start slow, but  when enough people do it, we&#8217;ll be empowered.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; Here&#8217;s a link to their site. It&#8217;s an amazing documentary and a  must see on this topic. It opened my eyes to what NG extraction through  fracking means and how it is destroying our nation&#8217;s ground water and  poisoning people and our land. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://gaslandthemovie.com/" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>PatsyT :  HITO yes BDM I love her doggies</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Power to the People !</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  HITO, next time you see BDM, tell her to stop by, she is missed!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  AdLib, think of the difference having your own little power station would make in people&#8217;s lives!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Awwww, you&#8217;ll get sick of me.  I&#8217;m warning ya!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  HITO Awesome</li>
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<p>AdLib :  We love you too, HITO! SO nice to have you joining us tonight!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  The feeling&#8217;s mutual, HITO.</li>
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<p>HITO :   No I haven&#8217;t seen that Adlib.  I&#8217;ve only come out of my 22 year cave in  the last 9 months.  Gasland?  Do tell, please.  Jesus you guys are so  smart, have I told you how much I love you today?  I do.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Kes, That him in the flesh!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Kes &#8211; If they took a fraction of the billions we get from letting the Bush taxcuts expire, this could actually happen.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Patsy, Mitch = aged Cabbage Patch Doll</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  patsy,I hope she can win in Nov, we have a very mixed district- blue Tucson-Red the rest.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Ah, but the country can&#8217;t afford those tax credits, AdLib! Not if we&#8217;re gonna keep those Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; Have you seen Gasland? It is pretty scary but well illustrates  how destructive and wasteful&#8230;and booming the business of fracking is.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Mitch M looks like a wax dummy</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Here goes Adlib again&#8230;if the Bloom Box passes its tour of duty with  the major corps and a residential sized one is manufactured, Obama and a  Dem Congress could change the whole energy and pollution dynamic by  using tax credits or some co-financing to put them in many homes across  the country. Swift and huge reduction of CO2 and energy needs.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Bito I love that rep of yours</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  that&#8217;s a good one!  Clean air act. SIGNED into law by NIXON!! Whre are the r;s now? Teabaggin  in the cloak room?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Everything is blocked in the Senate&#8230; except the flow of yuck from Mitch McConnell&#8230;</li>
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<p>HITO :   Please excuse HITO&#8217;s bad typing&#8230;meant &#8220;Thank God&#8221; as far as Maurice  Hinchey goes&#8230;and he may go soon, the Right hates him and the dems in  my area are lazy.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Maybe we could arrange a little space walk for &#8216;em in that case&#8230;</li>
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<p>HITO :   Oh Adlib.  That&#8217;s just scary, more scary than the info I&#8217;ve read in  this in my local newspaper.  That god my man Hinchey is on it.  He&#8217;s not  having that Frack crap without EPA/DEC approvals&#8230;only problem is,  like those agencies have any power anymore.  Still Bushlike in those  arenas.  O&#8217;s got to empower those agencies the way Clinton did.  Can you  say &#8220;Clean Air Act&#8221;&#8230;I have a good memory.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Patsy &#8211; The Repubs would take off their own spacesuit helmet in space if they thought keeping it on would help Obama.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Gabby Giffords, my rep, wrote a good solar bill in the house and it passed. blocked in the Senate.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  More things Obama never got credit for, AdLib&#8230;. sigh&#8230;</li>
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<p>AdLib :  kes &#8211; The Cash for Clunkers program was hugely successful. And the weather proofing houses bit created jobs and saves energy.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Bito, Isn&#8217;t AZ like the Saudi Arabia of Solar ?  Why don&#8217;t they want to rule the world?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; Exactly. Obama was too intent on being a good guy when he got  into office and trying to be bipartisan. Having Rahm by his side tamping  down his more ambitious ideas didn&#8217;t help either.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   And it&#8217;s money spent that would SAVE us money in the long run, AdLib.  Like replacing clunkers with more efficient cars, weather-proofing  houses and getting more energy-efficient appliances into homes.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  The repubs would block legislation to cure cancer &#8230; some show said that today</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  NY has more solar power than AZ with its 362 days of sunshine!!! God AZ!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; Check out this article I wrote on NG and fracking: <a rel="nofollow" href="../2010/06/23/unnatural-gas/">«link»</a></li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib, just like Kennedy got us going with PeaceCorps.  Obama should  have orchestrated a &#8220;save the planet&#8221; movement.  True that&#8230;I&#8217;m very  disappointed with him that regard.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Kes, let it go.  It feels good.  Trust me.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Before Obama was elected, I imagined how he could launch a  &#8220;going-to-the-m oon&#8221; type aggressive program to get us deep into  developing a renewable energy industry. That would bring back  manufacturing, high paid jobs and the world as customers. He has done  some of that through the stimulus but the bullshit from Repubs on how we  can&#8217;t spend into deficits (only Bush and Reagan were allowed to do so)  has blocked the robust spending there should have been.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :   Bito I know they are going hog wild on the coal fired plants but Yes tI  think they will see the economic advantage of this before our sorry  asses</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   HITO, AdLib had an article on fracking a while back. I was unaware  until I read that how damaging this fucking freaking fracking is to the  environment.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Bito:  NO way!  WTF?  China is beating us in solar panels?  Oh, now I have to go get more wine.  Shit.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :   patsy,60% of solar panels are now made in China, #1 in wind energy.   Yes they have a lot of pollution , but it seems they are making an  effort</li>
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<p>HITO :   Kids big news in my area of NY is the movement against &#8220;fracking&#8221; by  energy companies to get natural gas.  They drill, insert heinous  chemicals that EPA has NOT approved and get their little bit of gas at a  price no one wants to pay.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I am being fucking restrained tonight, for a change.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  HITO just don&#8217;t go NAACP on us</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; Fuck yeah!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   b&#8217;ito, I made the mistake of clicking on a further link on that page &#8212;  to a story on a teacher who beat an 11 year old student to death and  threw her out a 4th floor window.  Argh.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Big Phama strikes again !</li>
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<p>HITO :   Oh, if they beat us to it, that&#8217;s just fucked up.  That was O&#8217;s stance  on fixing alot&#8230;unemploym ent, environment.  If China beats us to it,  then we are certainly fucked.  (Adlib is it ok that I&#8217;m F-bombing so  much?)</li>
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<p>AdLib :   We will save energy by reverting from electricity powered computers to  manual computers. The abacus industry is braced for a resurgence.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   But according to &#8220;them,&#8221; not only is there no global climate change, BP  also did virtually no damage to the environment. All that oil has just  disappeared. Denial is the world&#8217;s best drug.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  k&#8217;s that was like looking a snuff film.  Hard to watch!and just think he was making 50 cents an hour, no saftey anything .  GAH</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  HITO they will embrace green energy</li>
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<p>HITO :  GOP endorses going to back to fat rendered candles.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Patsy, in what regard?  (will they come to their senses)</li>
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<p>AdLib :   The Chinese, not for environmental but economic reasons, are building a  renewable energy industry in a huge way. Meanwhile, thanks to the GOP,  we&#8217;ve passed tax breaks to explore a return to horseless carriages.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Bito,  I have a feeling that the Chinese will come to their senses before we will</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   These landslides are a tragedy and the flooding&#8230;good Lord. b&#8217;ito,  those photos of the oil spill clean up workers were heart-breaking.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; Yes, I added a section about that in a comment in my Flood of  Fires post. Terrible and looks like it is only going to continue in the  coming years.</li>
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<p>HITO :  I did.  Terrible stuff going on over there.  Asia is in deep shit.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Well, everyone needs a role model. For Palin, it was Damien.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Did anyone see my post yesterday that there was another landslide in China?</li>
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<p>HITO :  Patsy:  Yes you are.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  HITO Perfect !</li>
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<p>HITO :  Damn, that scared me Adlib.  I was expecting a plain face, but got satan.  Wait&#8230;..you&#8217;re right!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Thanks God for Botox !</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Post exorcism is even worse.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  That was pre-exorcism.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Kes, EXACTLY!  Two fan whores going at it.  Brixton, or whatever the hell her name is, just picked her mom as her suitor.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Nightmares tonight!!! AAhhhhhhhhhhh!!!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  LOLOL ADLIb !!!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  That&#8217;s it, HITO. They hate each other because they are exactly alike. Superficial attention-whores .</li>
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<p>HITO :  When we people get it&#8230;we need accountable, committed people to do the right thing when it comes to governance.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  If you haven&#8217;t seen Sarah Palin without makeup: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.unexplainedstuff.com/images/geuu_01_img0141.jpg" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>HITO :  If Levi wins, then he will slam her face with reality that she was a sham, because so is he.  How sad is that?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  OMG, b&#8217;ito! That is brilliant!</li>
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<p>HITO :   Drink crazy Sarah shit? Hell no, but I&#8217;ve had a bit too much Pinot  tonight.  I could drink a case and still hate the SP thing though.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Levi for Mayor!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I do believe she may have met her match in Levi.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://thinkprogress.org/mccain-flip-flops/" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>bitohistory :  John McCain’s 44 Flip-Flops</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  YES AdLib !</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  YES!! AdLib, you renew my faith in dudes!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Palin is not sexy. She is nasty, most guys I know feel the same way.</li>
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<p>HITO :   But meanwhile, back in crazy reality town, Fiorina and Whitman continue  their races with major capital input.  $99Million isn&#8217;t enough!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  It&#8217;s such a relief to hear you guys have not drunk the Sexy Sarah kool aid!!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  No thank you not without her paying me big bucks</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  We were logging the number of McCain flip-flops this evening. Impressive. At one point 10 in 2 weeks.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Kes, all political walks want to fuck her.  And don&#8217;t think she doesn&#8217;t  know that and capitalize on it.  I loved when her photos of her without  the makeup hit&#8230;not that I&#8217;ve seen them, but heard many gasps.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; That&#8217;s really not true, most messed up Republican men may want  to fuck her but I know many non-GOP men and I don&#8217;t know of one who  would want to be in the same room with her&#8230;without a custard pie in  hand to throw at her.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I think you are definitely on to something there, HITO!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  That&#8217;s right HITO, but he changed his mind?-?-again!</li>
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<p>HITO :   Kes, she is so inept, it defies words.  But how she got where she is,  well I&#8217;ll assume it&#8217;s because most men just want to fuck her.  There.   I&#8217;ve said it.  Sorry Adlib.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  HITO OBL is hanging out in one of mccains empty vacation homes</li>
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<p>AdLib :  All McCain can cough up now are the last vestiges of his soul&#8230;and a watercress sandwich.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   I guess I think of her religious fundamentalist extremism, HITO, and  her lack of understanding of how democracy and free speech work and she  looks pretty Taliban-ish to me.</li>
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<p>HITO :   I keep waiting for McCain to cough up where Osama Bin Laden is.  (wow I  actually typed that, and not the usual OBL)  Mac knew where he  was&#8230;waiting for it.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  HITO it was on HP but I love Shannyn Moore <a rel="nofollow" href="http://shannynmoore.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/palins-homer-transcript-doh/" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>AdLib :  Hey&#8230;what if that exorcism didn&#8217;t work on Palin? Maybe we should promote the meme that she is still possessed by demons!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :   I herd some one say if she had been smacking bubble gum she could have  played a valley girl. To steal KO&#8217;s line  &#8220;she is an Idiot&#8221;</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; Log Cabin Republicans&#8230;ju st an S&amp;M club, getting beaten  and abused by their &#8220;colleagues&#8221; in the GOP on a daily basis and they  keep coming back for more.</li>
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<p>HITO :  I don&#8217;t know, calling her a Taliban is a bit much.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, if I had a chance, I&#8217;d bitch slap her moronic crap.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Daddy must be so proud&#8230;.   or not&#8230;</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Her father was a teacher and her brother is one now.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  That is the perfect name for her, b&#8217;ito. American Taliban if ever I saw one!</li>
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<p>HITO :  NOT A TEACHER!!!!!!  Yikes.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Teechurs? Wee hayte skool!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Love it Bito !</li>
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<p>HITO :  LOL, I missed that whole bunch of nonsense from Palin.  But I&#8217;m delighting with your info.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Osarah Bin Palin?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Not too much respect for the teaching profession in general from the Palin clan.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Oh that pause</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib:  Back at you.  <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /></li>
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<p>AdLib :   Kes &#8211; &#8220;The response from Palin and her daughter to their question of  what the woman did, she said, &#8220;I&#8217;m a teacher&#8221;  and there was an  uncomfortable pause from the Palin Klan, then, as if she had said she  eats babies, they chimed in sync, &#8220;Oh.&#8221;</li>
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<p>dildenusa :  I know Adlib. legal immigrants want to close the door on anyone who might take away what they have</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  AdLib I do not understand that at all . Same with log cabin R&#8217;s.</li>
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<p>HITO :   My daughter&#8217;s guidance counselor pushed the shit out of her and gave  her reality based motives.  Then got her an award from my county&#8217;s  executive for her community service.  Sigh.  Sometimes all that arguing  seems worthwhile.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Kes, Yes That was very special  Kinda of told the whole story</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Patsy, did you see the Sarah Palin vid of the confrontation with the teacher in Alaska?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Hito &#8211; <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" /></li>
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<p>bitohistory :  <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" /></li>
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<p>PatsyT :  My Grad&#8217;s AP Teacher had a very special interest &#8211; GETTING MY CHILD INTO THE COLLAGE OF HER CHOICE !</li>
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<p>HITO :  Esquise you or Esquire you?  Would if I could.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Biff and Buffy may want to broaden the gene pool, b&#8217;ito.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Esquise me?</li>
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<p>dildenusa :   just some psychobabble. but children of the wealthy have very high  expectations when it comes to working and middle class people</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Too much interbreeding, k&#8217;es?</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib, strangely enough both his sons were esquires&#8230;.hmmm m?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; That is messed up. But look at the black and Latino Republicans,  they may have benefited from Dem policies yet they have dedicated  themselves to taking away such benefits for people just like them.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Could the ultra-wealth suffer from a form of autism? They seem to be  unable to relate to human emotion. Only objects. Well &#8212; one object.  MONEY.</li>
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<p>dildenusa :  I hear you Adlib. it&#8217;s called status anxiety.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  My daughters kindergarten teacher has a very special interest &#8211; MY CHILD !</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; I&#8217;ve seen the sons of self-made people ignore contractual  obligations out of mere resentment, just because they want everything  and don&#8217;t think anyone should have what they want.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I&#8217;ve seen that, too, b&#8217;ito. The VERY people who benefited from the union in their youth will turn on it. Good luck to &#8216;em!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Bito:  Talk about heresy.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :   Greedy children.  I have seen it it people whose folks were Union,  Union HC, Union wages sent them to college, and now they are anti union.   Talk about ungrateful.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib, I saw that in his sons, circa 1988.  They had been protocol son  types, and they intended to maintain that status quo.  There was no work  ethic in them, something their dad had worked his ass off for.  BTW, my  boss was a major Dem contributor, at least that made me happy.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :   Dilden there is so much to be positive about! Did anyone catch the  Rachel M show about the rundown of the Obama accomplishments ?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Yes, d, if we could only learn to be a bit more humble and grateful.  There&#8217;s too much of this &#8220;Please, sir, I want some more&#8221; when it comes  to gruel&#8230;</li>
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<p>AdLib :   What about the Repubs calling the state assistance bill that just  passed, &#8220;a payoff to special interests&#8221;&#8230;wh en it pays for teachers,  firemen, police&#8230;working people! Yet, their tax cut for the wealthiest  1%, that&#8217;s helping the &#8220;real&#8221; Americans?</li>
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<p>dildenusa :  well Kes they do but only if we do their bidding. you know. get back to work you lazy &#8230;&#8230;..</li>
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<p>PatsyT :   If I hear one more reporter on the cabals say &#8211; There is a lot of anger  out there &#8211; I am going to have to go and do something rash like buy  kool aid</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  dilden, wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if they actually DID give a rat&#8217;s patoot about the working/middle class?  <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" /></li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; The sense of entitlement that the children of the wealthy have  can make them more unprincipled and crooked than their parents. They are  bred to be sociopathic because, as corporations are now &#8220;people&#8221;, the  people who run them have the values of corporations.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Hey d, you post some good thoughts and links on debt-financial thingys  thanks&#8230;.</li>
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<p>dildenusa :  I&#8217;m trying to keep positive about things.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  HITO <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /></li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Sorry again. Country, not county. Typo Queen tonight.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  There seems to be a real load of anger building in the county at large. I wonder where this will lead&#8230; And Hi to dildenusa!!</li>
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<p>HITO :  true that, dildenusa</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Hey dildenusa!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hi Dildenusa</li>
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<p>dildenusa :   Hello everyone! the repubs, in their heart of hearts really believe  they are helping the working and middle class by giving away billions to  1% of the population.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Greed has no limits, it feeds on itself. How much more could you eat or do with $100 million more when you have $100 million?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :   The repubs need to twist in the wind about the hypocrisy of wanting to  reduce the deficit but at the same time keeping the bush tax cuts!</li>
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<p>HITO :   I&#8217;ve worked for a couple of millionaires.  They don&#8217;t get it.  Well,  one did, son of a tailor in PA.  Owned 1/4 of Time Warner when it was  just Warner.  Frugal, but his crazy ass wife, daughter of a CBS Paley,  loved to loot the bank accounts.  Wealthy people&#8230;90% of them, just  want to keep what they have and could give a shit about the &#8220;right thing  to do&#8221;.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  AdLib, thanks for the WAPO numbers.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  The concept of &#8220;ENOUGH&#8221; is lost upon them.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  That is a gift of 125,000 apiece for those making a million dollars.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   From the WAPO: &#8220;A Republican plan to extend tax cuts for the rich would  add more than $36 billion to the federal deficit next year &#8212; and  transfer the bulk of that cash into the pockets of the nation&#8217;s  millionaires, according to a congressional analysis released Wednesday. &#8220;</li>
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<p>HITO :  Patsy:  I LOVE YOU!  Girl, you crack me up real good!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  And they claim to be all about fiscal responsibility. What a joke.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  HITO they do not have enough empty vacation homes</li>
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<p>HITO :  Jesus Christ!  $38BILLION for those wealthy bastards tax cuts?  Incredible.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  HITO very smart. And looking out for kids. Good.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  HITO you are smart !</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Just as the wealthy and corporations didn&#8217;t care what would happen to  the world as they stole trillions of money through derivatives, they  don&#8217;t care that grabbing as much as they can now from the majority and  sending the middle class sinking down into the lower class, the economic  engine that drives our economy, consumer spending, is destroyed. Then  what?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  HITO, I saw a figure that it would add $38 Billion to the deficit. So your numbers are not too high&#8230;I don&#8217;t think.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Kes, I wrote in my oldest college funding into the separation agreement  whose language will survive when we divorce in one year.  HITO smart!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Wow, HITO, you have one in college. That in itself is expensive. And  keeping a household of 2 going is not cheap&#8230;even living frugally. I  wish you well.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib, I saw numbers this week that predicted if the Bush wealthy tax  cuts stood, we were looking at $8Bil over 10 years.  I know it sounds  too high, but I assume it took other &#8220;trickle&#8221; down factors.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :   The book -Two Years Before the Mast- tells the story of R H Dana and  they have the ship there at the Ocean Institute &#8211; beautiful place</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  It&#8217;s so much displaced/mispla ced anger. The poor are not to blame for the way things are, but they&#8217;re getting the brunt of it.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; Appreciate that. WHich is why I can&#8217;t understand, the Repubs  block unemployment pay and money to help ill 9/11 workers, block HCR,  Financial reform yet want the top 1% of the country to get billions. How  can people want them to be in a position to do this?</li>
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<p>HITO :  Kes, my oldest is dorming at state university starting next week.  It&#8217;s just me and my son, for the next five years.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Did you catch Newtie calling unemployment insurance &#8220;welfare? and it wasn&#8217;t a slip he did it more than once.  ARSE!</li>
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<p>HITO :   Kes, I&#8217;m getting $2K/mo. childsupport/ali mony which fades over the  next five years.  I&#8217;ve been a part time admin for 6 years, but will need  to supplement by either getting another part time gig (probable) or  full time gig (impossible).</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Patsy, that&#8217;s very cool! Dana Point&#8230;</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  HITO, that&#8217;s ah huge adjustment in income for your family!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   It is a bit scary that so many Americans are so willing to &#8220;get even&#8221;  with the party in power that they will blindly accept any alternative  including racists, corporate tools and the very people who were in power  just one and a half years ago who destroyed the world&#8217;s economy and  this nation&#8217;s stability. How stupid are these people?</li>
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<p>HITO :  And that &#8220;working class&#8221; is disappearing everyday.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Kes, I live near Dana Point CA and they have the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ocean-institute.org/index2.html" target="_blank">«link»</a> I have been on a few field trips for the 4th graders and that is the part that gets them all!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :   There are a few graph/chart nerds here.  I don&#8217;t know how many i have  seen on where the weallth is but is sure isn&#8217;t in the working class.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  An insult to elephants everywhere&#8230;</li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib, I&#8217;d be happy making $25k/year for now.  My X made +$100K.  But  right now, it&#8217;s about getting by, not living the high life.  And anyone  that wants that high life, pay your taxes and shut up.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  kes &#8211; And that&#8217;s giving the worst part of the deal to the elephant.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  AdLib&#8230;which brings us right back to Newt&#8217;s face!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Need to raise the SS cap to $250K or more for 4-6 years.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" /> Patsy! I didn&#8217;t know that about steerage hygiene!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Kes &#8211; I thought of an elephant&#8217;s but.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   bito &#8211; I checked the actual figures and they&#8217;re more dismal than you  think. The top 1% of the nation earns $100k or more&#8230;so 99% of the  nation&#8217;s households earn less. It&#8217;s really the top half of a percent who  are wealthy in this nation. The American dream is bullshit, everyone&#8217;s  odds are 99.5% against ever becoming a millionaire.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Yes, b&#8217;ito, or telling someone: &#8220;Do not think of an elephant.&#8221; Of course, you&#8217;re going to think of nothing but!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Steerage ! They all used the same &#8216;rope&#8217;  to wipe themselves ahh the good old days <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ebooks.com/ebooks/book_display.asp?IID=116818" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Patsy, yes, who can buy anything when there&#8217;s no longer a middle class.  Then they have the gall to want to extend the Bush tax cuts for the  wealthy.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  k&#8217;es, like the judge telling the jury to ignore certain info.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Yes, b&#8217;ito. Middle class is a dying entity&#8230;</li>
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<p>HITO :   The middle class are extinct.  The repubs wanted it that way.  Don&#8217;t  have a clue how to get their numbers back.  Not in our current  situation.  But, the middle class built this nations prosperity in the  50s.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Kes works every time</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I think Laura&#8217;s &#8220;apology&#8221; was cynical, too, AdLib. Just CYA to keep her job after she&#8217;d gotten her real &#8220;message&#8221; out there.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hito sounds cool</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  middle class? 10% owns 90% of the wealth and 90% owns 10%.  Worst it has been since pre depression</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Kes, YES with out a middle class Look at what we have &#8230;.oh booo hooo no consumers Hey where did they all go?</li>
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<p>HITO :   Patsy, I&#8217;m sorry I just realized, that it was BigDogMom that shared  that thread the other day with me.  Sovereigns who are closer to  anarchists.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   The thing is, I don&#8217;t see anything genuine about anything the Repubs  say, it&#8217;s all done to win elections. Are the Repubs in Congress all  really as racist as they portray themselves? Or are they just cynically  pandering to the racist Baggers for votes? They have no principles, I  think it&#8217;s just saying what works. DO Palin and Boehner and Bachman all  really believe what they say or are they just baiting their rabid  followers and treating them like fools?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I would contribute $ for his boat trip over there&#8230;steerage .</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  I would love to see &#8211; Beck in Somalia with nothing but a dime</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Exactly, b&#8217;ito! And it might help if they finally woke up and realized that having a middle class is a GOOD thing.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Wingers hate FDR.  They&#8217;ll never see that reality.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Oh Patsy, We were supposed to send the sovereigns to Somalia!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Great point Bito !</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  ask any winger where capitalism would have been if not for FDR.  He saved it.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  They need a trip to Somalia</li>
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<p>HITO :   Adlib, Beck referenced &#8220;Planet of the Apes&#8221;.  Jesus Christ, you should  have seen the trolls in denial.  &#8220;What, he was just making a comparison  to a governing change.&#8221;  Bullshit.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  The big hero of the right, now, is Calvin Coolidge and FDR is Satan in a wheelchair. They are deranged!</li>
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<p>HITO :   OMG, Kes.  WE ARE distorting history?  WTF?  He&#8217;s an assclown.  (And  yes, I have the beautiful graphic Adlib made awhile back right up above  my desk.)</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; Laura said the &#8220;n&#8221; word. Beck said Obama hates white people&#8221;. And &#8220;libs&#8221; are delusional about racism?</li>
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<p>HITO :  Bito:  Denial is great.  And fucking scary.  No way to show a mirror to them.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   That Rove technique is appalling, AdLib. Caught a few minutes of Beck  today and he is saying that the LEFT is erasing/distorti ng history to  suit their agenda! That would be funny if it weren&#8217;t so infuriating.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   That&#8217;s what the whole attack on the NAACP is about. Right after they  called on the Baggers to reject the racists among them, they spun around  in Rove mode and attacked the NAACP as being racist against poor  oppressed white people.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  HITO, that is because they are racists, so they don&#8217;t recognize it when they see it.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Patsy&#8230;so true:  &#8220;It&#8217;s just there under the surface&#8221;</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Kes &#8211; Yes, this is the Karl Rove approach to being racist. Accuse your  opponent of what you are or what you are doing. So, say racist things  and when anyone calls you a racist, you brand them as the real racist.  This was what Breitbart was trying to do too.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  HITO they talk in codes</li>
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<p>HITO :   All the trolls over on HP say libs are delusional with their rants  about racist.  Are we?  I don&#8217;t think so.  I think we see this  subliminal shit and it makes the hair stand up on the back of our necks,  appropriately so.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   HITO &#8211; There is nothing for any fair minded person to love about this  woman. She is hateful, racist and spews the venom every day that now  passes for political opinion of Repubs. It is interesting that as bad as  people feel about the Dems, they STILL disapprove of the Repubs more  than the Dems. That&#8217;s quite a feat for the Repubs to accomplish.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib:  Separate but equal drinking fountains&#8230;LMFA O!  Feel like I&#8217;m back in SC circa 1964.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  AdLib it is always just there under the surface</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   It&#8217;s aggravating, too, that when a person of color objects to blatant  racism, THAT&#8217;s called &#8220;playing the race card&#8221;! As if Beck didn&#8217;t when he  called Obama racist!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  I&#8217;m afraid to answer your question AdLib, because I&#8217;m afraid that the answer is yes.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Yes, AdLib, in the name of &#8220;free enterprise.&#8221; I&#8217;ve actually heard the  argument: Business owners should be able to serve whomever they like..&#8221;</li>
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<p>HITO :   Seek has a new sock, and I&#8217;m trying to find it for fun.  So I was  looking at newbies over at HP all day.  One nubie who seemed ok,  espoused it&#8217;s love of this woman.  And how we don&#8217;t know how wonderful  she is.  It&#8217;s from CA, read through it&#8217;s comments, seemed OK, but this  situation just made me say, &#8220;you&#8217;re an idiot&#8221;.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Kes &#8211; She was blatantly racist. What does this mean, for racism to now be socially acceptable and a valued GOP campaign theme?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  She told the truth &#8211; That is how she really feels</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Here are her taped words with a transcript. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008120045" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Also, she plays &#8220;dumb,&#8221; as in &#8220;I&#8217;m confused here,&#8221; but she is not a stupid woman.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Patsy &#8211; I was just going to comment on that too&#8230;&#8221;you people&#8221;. I&#8217;m  waiting for Sharron Angle and Rand Paul to announce their support of  separate but equal drinking fountains.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Can a boycott of her advertisers help?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Those may not be the precise words, HITO, but that was the gist of it.</li>
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<p>HITO :  It&#8217;s OK to be racist because it&#8217;s just bashing the POTUS, which is acceptable. Just an extension.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  YOU PEOPLE ???</li>
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<p>HITO :  &#8220;You people have your president&#8221;.  Well that just makes me very angry.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   kes &#8211; Laura also said &#8220;If you can&#8217;t handle it, don&#8217;t marry out of your  race&#8221; and &#8220;Don&#8217;t NAACP me!&#8221; She is a blatant racist and pays no price  for it?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Exactly, Patsy! She is a mean-spirited woman.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hey, she showed her true colors by saying don&#8217;t NAACP me!</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  I heard it was all Obama&#8217;s fault for all the talk.  he brings it up all the time.?-?well he was a winger.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Don Imus, Howard Cosell, on and on, there are many who lost their jobs  for racism or perceived racism (the rap against Cosell was unfair).  Nowadays, you can say the &#8220;N&#8221; word on radio and all you have to do is  give a dishonest apology.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   The worst thing Laura said, IMO, was, in effect: &#8220;You people have your  President. There can&#8217;t be any more prejudice now. Get over it.&#8221; Vicious  and false.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Sorry OT  this is quick . . . Oh thanks bito and this is a link to the new meet the mormon ad campaign <a rel="nofollow" href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100811/pl_yblog_upshot/in-new-tv-ad-campaign-mormons-pitch-message-to-middle-america" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>HITO :   We have a black president.  (and half black apparently counts as  black).  This is why all this bullshit comes up.  They hid it well, but  now can&#8217;t help themselves to rant.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  A quick thank you to b&#8217;ito. I missed that link!</li>
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<p>AdLib :   LET&#8217;S BEGIN WITH OUR FIRST TOPIC: DR. LAURA USED HER RADIO SHOW TO TOSS  THE &#8220;N&#8221; WORD AROUND LIKE CONFETTI. SHE HAS APOLOGIZED AND WILL CONTINUE  WITH HER TALK SHOW. RUSH AND BECK HAVE EXHIBITED SIMILAR RACISM AND  ONLY GROW MORE POPULAR. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN PEOPLE WOULD RESIGN OVER  SUCH THINGS, NOT GET BETTER RATINGS. HAS RACISM NOW BECOME PUBLICLY  ACCEPTABLE AGAIN AND EVEN ENCOURAGED FOR RATINGS AND REVENUE ASPECTS? IF  SO, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ABOUT THE COURSE OF THIS NATION AND RACIAL  RELATIONS MOVING FORWARD?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  While patsy and k&#8217;es are here I left you a link in last weeks music thread on Dione and Burt.</li>
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<p>HITO :   See, now I always thought Newt would make a good door stop.  Keeping  the door closed to any concepts that may eradicate ignorance.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I think Newt would make a great Mormon. He seems prone to polygamy.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I confess to making a mean paprikas, but few of my friends/family find me rational.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I vote YES, b&#8217;ito! Hey, we&#8217;re back on baptism again!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Kes, bet you are an excellent cook.  And an excellent rationalist.</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  Can we do it to Newt and not pull him up from the holy water?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Oh, yeah, HITO. All German on one side and all Hungarian on the other.  Half rational and efficient. Half schizophrenic but prone to dancing the  czardas.</li>
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<p>HITO :  KES:  LMFAO!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   I wonder how many people one person can be a proxy for? I mean you  could get dunked dozens of times a day&#8230;think of what that would do to  your skin&#8230;</li>
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<p>HITO :  Oh, Kes.  Thank you.  My dad was a son of two Hungarian parents, both who passed through Ellis Island circa 1901.  YIKES!</li>
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<p>HITO :  I&#8217;ve read former articles about how the Mormon church is tracking all family lineages&#8230;perha ps to make sure their&#8217;s is pure?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  It doesn&#8217;t get better than ballsy Hungarian, HITO. I have one of those, too.</li>
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<p>AdLib :   &#8220;They say that those who are dead retain their identity and free will  and therefore can either accept or reject the rites performed for them. A  hands-on proxy baptism ceremony, called an ordinance, takes place in a  Mormon temple, and includes full immersion to wash away sins and  commence church membership. It is supposedly performed, commentators  say, for people who had believed in Christ, but had not had a chance to  be baptized.&#8221;</li>
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<p>bitohistory :   I have heard of stealing deceased childrens numbers. Just read that  recently.  Tha tway they start out with a clean credit score</li>
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<p>HITO :   If the Mormons tried to baptize my grandmother, well I wish them luck.   She was one ballsy gypsy hungarian and would kick their sorry asses.  I  get my &#8220;spunk&#8221; from her.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Heh. We have the same info, AdLib. Must be true!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  I live less then a half a mile from a Mormon Church</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Just found this from <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/ldsagree.html:" target="_blank">«link»</a> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (often referred to as  the LDS or Mormons) has spent millions of dollars microfilming, indexing  and cataloging nearly every document known to man from every country on  earth &#8212; including millions of Jewish records. Church members are  encouraged to find the names of ancestors to baptize by proxy, which  they believe gives the dead the opportunity to embrace the faith in the  afterli</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Saved. Sorry. Tired.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Yes, AdLib. That&#8217;s why they were at the university. They do a &#8220;baptism  by proxy&#8221; thing, if I&#8217;m not mistaken to make sure all their ancestors  are &#8220;save&#8221;?</li>
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<p>HITO :   No, only passed on people.  My aunt, my uncle, my grandparents, but my  aunt only passed in 2003.  I have to yell at someone in the near future.   Didn&#8217;t mean to monopolize the thread with this.  Sorry.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Well I can&#8217;t wait to die then</li>
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<p>AdLib :  You do know that the Mormon Church baptizes dead people?.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Is it possible to take out a credit card in a deceased person&#8217;s name?</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  HITO I knew that you could get deceased SS numbers, if it has bee over 20 years, but living?</li>
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<p>HITO :   It was quite an awakening about what you can get on the internet.  Just  by googling a loved one&#8217;s name.  In this case, it brought up my  grandfather&#8217;s name and SS no., since my dad&#8217;s name is the same.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; Indeed, that is outrageous. I can&#8217;t believe they haven&#8217;t been sued for it yet.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  LDS and SS numbers?? What are they up to?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Too many years ago, I worked in a university record dept. and they had  old county birth records. The Mormons were microfilming them right and  left.</li>
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<p>HITO :  But Adlib, divulging former SS nos. is only good for criminal intent..&#8221;Please do use these numbers&#8221;, no?</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  HITO, that is truly scary.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  HITO &#8211; The Mormon Church owns Ancestry.com, you&#8217;ve probably seen the ads for it. They are intent on culling identities.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Bito, you are looking good</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  I sense that there is a b&#8217;ito in the room&#8230;.please join hands around the table&#8230;..</li>
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<p>HITO :   Serious as a heart attack, got my grandparents SS nos., my aunt&#8217;s and  uncles and a whole bunch of my family tree branches.  Again, WTF?</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Love it Ad! You&#8217;re so green. Of course that could be from drinking old shampoo.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  BITO! Hola, amigo!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  HITO, seriously?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Very cool, TIAP! I am drinking beer from a bottle made of recycled bath  mats. Urp! There is an odd scent of strawberry conditioner to it but  otherwise&#8230;</li>
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<p>bitohistory :  I don&#8217;t show up being on line.  is this some sort of sign?  I feel pretty good.  Do I still exist? <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /> test: Hello all.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  I don&#8217;t know how they did it but it really is soft and stain resistant. A plus when you have a cat.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Cool. Fiber Glass?</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  I&#8217;m so LA!!!!</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  It&#8217;s really soft and it doesn&#8217;t leak.</li>
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<p>HITO :   Well, here&#8217;s a little ditty I learned today googling my dad&#8217;s name (my  sister is not talking to me and I&#8217;m waiting for him to pass, so I&#8217;ve  taken to googling his name every day to see if he shows up in the obits)   Well it seems the Church of Latter Day Saints has listings of all  deceased people and THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY NOS.  What the fuck?</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  I stopped at Costco and bought a throw rug made from recycled bottles.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :   Just watched a local PBS interview with the guy who&#8217;s running against  wonderful Marcy here. He&#8217;s even dumber than he looks.   HI TIAP!!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Hey TIAP!!!</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Hey all! Sorry I&#8217;m late. Had to run some errands on the way home.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  chat chat chatty chat chatty chat</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Still waiting for a few folks, so feel free to chat.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Patsy&#8230;.LOL!!!! !!!!!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" /></li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Because there is no end to those pricks</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Patsy&#8230;tell&#8230;</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Thanks Kes!!!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  When I played in the sandbox, the cat kept covering me up.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  But, AdLib, you actually DO get respect&#8230;</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  -Why is it that you can&#8217;t circumcise tea baggers?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Here&#8217;s some Rodney Dangerfield: I looked up my family tree and found out I was the sap.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Go for it, AdLib&#8230;</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Henny Youngman, anyone?</li>
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<p>HITO :  Adlib, bring that schtick on&#8230;I could use it tonight!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Does Questinia live in NY state, too? I miss her. Q. where are you?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Schtick!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Ah, Catskills! Time for my ol&#8217;</li>
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<p>HITO :   Mid Hudson Valley, Catskills, yup.  City girl goes country slash  mountain girl&#8230;lol.  Won&#8217;t leave the house without full makeup and  blown out hair.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  You really ARE in the Catskills,huh, HITO?</li>
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<p>HITO :  Kes:  Ah.  I got nervous.  Thought maybe I&#8217;ve passed you at the gas station in town.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hito, sometimes Kes is beyond funny (I secretly think she may be a comedy pro)</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Not really HITO. Patsy suspects I moonlight there, doing stand-up.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Serious shit, Kes.  Do you live in the Catskills?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Patsy, you are always so gracious about my dumb jokes&#8230;love ya.</li>
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<p>HITO :  Had to poof my gmail&#8230;Look to the Left long story.  THis is my old one for Mrs. Gustav over there, also poofed.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Hi HITO! Sleeping noobs over there?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hey Hito,  love that Avi!</li>
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<p>HITO :  Kes lives in the Catskills?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  I am going to call you Kes of the Catskills !</li>
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<p>HITO :  Hi kids, sorry I&#8217;m late.  Had to wake a nubie up over on the other side.</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Have the ceiling fan and a standing floor fan on simultaneously. More fans than I have at HuffPo.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Just finished feeding the dogs and I am waiting for my burrito from Pedros</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Hey all!!! How is everyone?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Sooo hot, Patsy! Day after day&#8230;and humid!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Hi, Khirad!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hey Kes,  Still hot in Ohio?</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  OOps&#8230;meant IS that you&#8230;not IT&#8230; short sleep!</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  And it that you I see there, Patsy! YES!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hi Guys</li>
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<p>kesmarn :  Hey, AdLib, how are you?</li>
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		<title>Vox Populi &#8211; 8-6-2010</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>AdLib</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blues Tiger : you too AdLib.. AdLib : Well, looks like it&#8217;s about time to end tonight&#8217;s edition of Vox Populi. Thanks BT for joining in tonight, have a great weekend! AdLib : Sleep well Patsy! So nice seeing you! Blues Tiger : Nite PT PatsyT : Well I am fading &#8230;. I will have [...]]]></description>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  you too AdLib..</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Well, looks like it&#8217;s about time to end tonight&#8217;s edition of Vox  Populi. Thanks BT for joining in tonight, have a great weekend!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Sleep well Patsy! So nice seeing you!</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  Nite PT</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Well I am fading &#8230;. I will have to say Farewell&#8230;.. Have a wonderful Evening !</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   The allegations are this church actually participated in raising funds for her</li>
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<p>AdLib :  BT &#8211; There&#8217;s the rub, only someone with an axe to grind would report their church for endorsing candidates in a service.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  tax</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Patsy &#8211; I know, they hand out voter guides at many churches too. But  technically, it is against the law for a church to engage in political  activity if they want to keep their taz exempt status.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  who wants to be known in a small town or anywhere as the guy who took out a church over politics</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  but think about it</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  they do it alot PT</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Bye Bye  tax exempt status !</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   A church here is in some trouble for endorsing Sally Kern</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  AdLib they kinda already do It is really scary in those Mega Churches</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :    Thats what I don&#8217;t get in AZ,Hayward is connected to the Abramoff  scandal&#8230; What chance does he have to be an effictive rep if he wins?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   As for TP&#8217;s Sharron Angle: &#8220;Republican Sharron Angle believes the  clergy should be allowed to endorse candidates from the pulpit and  opposes laws allowing gays to adopt children, according to a  questionnaire by the Nevada Senate hopeful that was obtained by The  Associated Press.&#8221;</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   So far their 2 big candidates haven&#8217;t proven to be the sharpest knives in the political drawer</li>
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<p>AdLib :   From Wikipedia: Istook received $29,000 in campaign contributions from  Abramoff and some of his clients. Istook wrote letters urging the Bush  administration to reject a casino proposal that Abramoff&#8217;s clients  opposed.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  I think he is connected to them PT</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Istook ? Is that the guy from Heritage Foundation?</li>
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<p>AdLib :   BT &#8211; That&#8217;s because the GOP plan is to always act as the victim. When  it comes to race, it&#8217;s white people who are being victims. Taxes, it is  rich people being victims. And so on and so on. Apparently, the victim  mentality appeals to the poorly educated and financially desperate  people who follow the GOP.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   Oh and don&#8217;t forget asshole okie Earnest Istook is behind alot of that Big Lobby Tea Party money</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  Brown always said thanks for the support but I am not Tea Party</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Brown is not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer</li>
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<p>AdLib :  BT &#8211; The original Tea Partier was Dick Armey from Freedomworks. Then Fox News. Yeah, real grass roots.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  the wussies where attempting to deflect any repercussions upon a Minority instead of being man enough to Stand Up as themselves</li>
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<p>AdLib :   Brown hasn&#8217;t toed the TP line because he wants to be re-elected but  that&#8217;s not going to happen either. A Dem will win his seat as long as  they don&#8217;t run another goofball.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  Think about this&#8230;. The original Tea Partiers where a bunch of white guys dressed up as a minority</li>
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<p>AdLib :  BT &#8211; Right again, how can a Repub be the head of a TP caucus if they aren&#8217;t a subset of the GOP? That logic can&#8217;t be opposed.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.reidreport.com/category/people/scott-brown/" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>PatsyT :  They are mad at Scott Brown for being such a tease</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  I thought of something the other day as I contemplated an article to post</li>
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<p>AdLib :  BT &#8211; True, they are a bogus, manufactured &#8220;group&#8221;. They are and always have been a subset of the GOP.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   How can they have a Tea Party Caucus when there is no member elected as Tea Party?</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  No One is running under the Tea Party name</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   But thats just it AdLib all they are is GOP, not a single viable &#8220;Tea Party&#8221; candidate</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   They feel screwed by Scott Brown</li>
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<p>AdLib :   BT &#8211; The TP&#8217;s have a lot of influence thanks to the MSM, even though  they are such a tiny group. Their influence is powerful on the GOP.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hey they can always play Vegas  The  Tea Partiers would like the free buffets !</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :    I wonder just how much influence the Tea Party even has at this point</li>
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<p>AdLib :  BT &#8211; That sounds delicious! Much better bacon distribution than having the strips on top.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :    There is a diner around here, the cook puts bacon a stainless steel  bowl of water and sits it on the grill&#8230; When he makes a burger patty  he pulls out a few strips and chops it up fine on the grill and then  adds it to the fresh ground chuck</li>
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<p>AdLib :   One last topic for the night that unfortunately has very little to do  with bacon: The more Sharron Angle and Rand Paul help the public  recognize what Tea Party candidates are all about (with Palin and  Bachman in Overdrive&#8230;pun intended), could the Tea Party be dead after  Nov if all their candidates lose?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Covered in powered sugar of course</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  They were selling that at the OC County fair</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Hey, how about a Bacon wrapped pound of bacon using a bacon wrapped frying pan and cooking with bacon grease?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  It needs to be covered in batter and deep fried!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  The Infarction Burger.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Yes Patsy, that&#8217;s the one that gave me a mini HA.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Ahhh AdLib you like the Bacon Cheese Turtle Burger ?</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  I have allergies to pork but every couple of months I gtota knaw some ribs or munch some bacon</li>
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<p>AdLib :  My heart just stopped for a brief second when I looked at Today in Bacon.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  What so you do first drink the beer or bite the bacon?</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   I only eat bacon once or twice a year if I amlucky</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Bacon has a way of sliding around.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   Dang all that looks great</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Wow that Bacon Beer Mug gets around !</li>
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<p>AdLib :  My favorite medium is bacon. I have some drippings I could show you that are totally Jackson Pollock.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hanttula.com/distractomatic/today-in-bacon" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   A True Bacon atist</li>
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<p>AdLib :  I&#8217;m surprised KFC hasn&#8217;t added it to the menu.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Here it is&#8230; <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Untitled-8BaconBeerMug.gif&amp;imgrefurl=http://www.bagofnothing.com/2009/11/bacon-beer-mug/&amp;h=553&amp;w=440&amp;sz=95&amp;tbnid=5Eo4fzmiRjOipM:&amp;tbnh=252&amp;tbnw=200&amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbacon%2Bbeer%2Bmug&amp;usg=__0u26aJszsBbUE8GTgmh7mHYEfyg=&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=ddpcTN6DC4bWtQPT_4SqCw&amp;ved=0CB8Q9QEwAA" target="_blank">«link»</a></li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   Nope</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Has anyone seen the Bacon Beer Mug ?</li>
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<p>AdLib :  SOunds good, have a great weekend TIAP!</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   Nice meeting you TIAP hurry back</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  See you next Friday or on the blogs.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  TIAP  Thanks It&#8217;s been a pleasure !</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Great having you here, TakeInAPlay, wonderful to have you on The Planet!</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  Even better TIAP</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Chocolate dipped bacon..on a stick.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  Helloooooooooo choicelady</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Well, it&#8217;s been great chatting with y&#8217;all but I must go. Thanks for welcoming me into the fold.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  Chocolate dipped Bacon!!!</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Mmm&#8230;chocolate doobies&#8230;y-a-r- g-h&#8230;</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  How can they sell enough Cheetos with all that smog?</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   I am all for chocolate</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Or increase your enjoyment of chocolate, chocolate chip ice cream&#8230;or any food for that matter.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Yes BT but smog doesn&#8217;t enhance your listening pleasure of Dark Side of the Moon.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Ad &#8211; ROFL!!!</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  We get enough of Dallas&#8217;s smog thank you very much</li>
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<p>AdLib :  TIAP &#8211; Well, first we have to admit we inhale&#8230;</li>
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<p>AdLib :  TIAP &#8211; Indeed, if 1.4 billion could go to schools, imagine the difference.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hmmm more Tax $$$ less to care for in the prisons save some $$ there What is not to love about that?</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Well, when we exhale the smoke it does travel over state lines&#8230;.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   Just think when the feds figure out a way to tax your smoke Okla can get more of your tax dollars <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":grin:" /></li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  I consider 3 strikes as harmful as term limits. But that&#8217;s a whole other topic.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Ad imagine what the state could do with that kind of revenue? It&#8217;s overwhelming what good it could do.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  Patsy &#8211; Yes, the Prison Industrial Complex is very powerful and helped push the 3 Strikes law for its own profit.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   Think about TIAP, no one ever indroduced a 3 strikes bill untill after Big Corp involved themselves in Prisons</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Hey those inmates that escaped recently weren&#8217;t they from a private prison ?</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  BT good point. Our history with outsourcing has not been positive or productive.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  We are opening a &#8220;Christian Based&#8221; Private Prison here</li>
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<p>AdLib :   TIAP &#8211; From Wikipedia: The California legislature has estimated that  taxing the previously untaxed domestically grown $14 billion marijuana  market would produce $1.4 billion a year,</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   PT when we allowed prisons to go Private thats when they started sending everybody up</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  AdLib isn&#8217;t the Prison Union in Ca Ultra Powerful ?  They want more inmates</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :   AdLib &#8211; exactly my point. It would help the overcrowding in prisons and  imagine how great it would be for marijuana taxes to fund schools and  health care programs. It just makes sense to me.</li>
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<p>AdLib :  And law enforcement time and resources spent on busting pot dealers and farms could go to meth dealers.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  I never imagined as a teenage in the 70&#8242;s we would be dealing with Pot issues in 2010</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  TIAP  ROTFL !</li>
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<p>AdLib :   TIAP &#8211; To be serious, the amount of money spent on prison incarceration  and the court system related to marijuana is massive, indeed, that  money could be directed to more violent and dangerous criminals.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  PT, he&#8217;s boppin it to the man!</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  Andrew Rice in particular</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  We have a few I support</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  YOu go Judge !</li>
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<p>AdLib :   BT &#8211; The problem is that in a red state like OK, it&#8217;s a challenge for  Dems to be willing to take the risk of investing in running for a major  office, knowing they&#8217;re likely to lose. SO only those who don&#8217;t have  other choices are mopre likely to run, weaker candidates and such.</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  Yes, he did an around the state and back snap.</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  BT LOL !</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :  running away <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":grin:" /></li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  AdLib we could also steer the drug money to fight meth, which is where the real drug danger is. Not the backyard potfarm.</li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   So did the judge give a &#8220;snap&#8221; with his ruling?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  Bt you are in the middle of it &#8230; Have you thought of running?</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  TIAP  So Funny !! <img src="../wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" /></li>
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<p>Blues Tiger :   yep</li>
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<p>AdLib :   TIAP &#8211; Think of the jumpstart to the economy legalizing marijuana would  provide. Aside from being taxed and providing billions in state  revenue, the fast food and pizza delivery business would skyrocket, 24  hour supermarkets would expand everywhere and Ben and Jerry&#8217;s would  become the official state food of CA, providing sponsorship money to the  state!</li>
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<p>PatsyT :  BT by around here do you mean OK?</li>
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<p>TakeInAPlay :  We didn&#8217;t know about his gayness under the DADT policy.</li>
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