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  • SallyT : Note to AdLib: I closed it up and took out the empties. If anything is broken, it was Funk who did it! Good night.

  • SallyT : I will close it all up and leave the place clean. Thank you for staying with me!

  • SallyT : Well, good night to both you fine gentlemen.

  • SallyT : Funk, you there or are you counting your tabs.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Well….ye few, ye happy few….time for me to wish you adieu!

  • funksands : Sheesh, sorry everyone, forgot I had something on the stove. Need to go clean up! Night all!

  • AlphaBitch : Good thing I got on after the boss was gone….cuddle up w/ the critters, Sally.

  • SallyT : Good night, AB, and dream about the wedding.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Goodnight AB…thanks for lifting the conversation to new heights.

  • SallyT : I will, AB, but he usually sleeps with me.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…ah hah, got it.

  • SallyT : Pipes, Murph.

  • AlphaBitch : Wow, look how low I dragged the conversation in just a matter of minutes. Truly, I’ve outdone myself. I’m dead tired and in need of rest. Sweet dreams, all. Sally don’t forget to put the dog out and lock the door.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…Headers?

  • SallyT : Murph, I loved to put cards in my Bicycle spokes. I think that is why I had to have Headers on my car.

  • AlphaBitch : Plus the sound of Depends on the wedding aisle is not very romantic…

  • AlphaBitch : Is that my heart, or my cards? Only my doctor knows for sure!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…flutter, flutter, flutter, flutter…

  • AlphaBitch : Whoo hoo. Ride ‘em cowgirl.

  • SallyT : I married one, AB, and it has been fun!

  • AlphaBitch : MTS: Great idea. Like cards in bicycle spokes.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB….I have an image in my mind…it is to laugh….instead of step..together.. .step….togethe r…It would be, clomp, pause, clomp, pause etc. You can hang the flowers from the bars of the walkers and strew them during the pauses

  • SallyT : AB, they change into steers.

  • AlphaBitch : Me too Sally. In fact, I always told the Blov that if he died or left me, I was moving to WY to work as a cook on a ranch. Lots of cowboys and food. Good combo.

  • SallyT : Sorry but I like Wyoming Cowboys.

  • AlphaBitch : I mean, into what, Funk?

  • AlphaBitch : Into what?

  • AlphaBitch : But there is still some damn fine music and some really great people, Sally

  • funksands : Texas changes a person…

  • AlphaBitch : I did offer to be a flower girl for my pretend niece – if she hurries. I don’t want to have to use a walker to go down the damn aisle.

  • funksands : Murph, Yeah! That’s a good approx.

  • SallyT : Yes, she was AB and she is gone and I see no need to visit.

  • AlphaBitch : Funk, yeah. But the bride thing is a little old now.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : funk…a sort of Pimms Cup USA

  • funksands : Would’ve been cooler if it was 2011…

  • AlphaBitch : Now Sally. Ann Richards was from Texas

  • funksands : Speaking of Dr. Pepper, I’ll admit to a guilty habit now long gone. Jack and Dr. Pepper. MMMMMMM

  • AlphaBitch : Funk, no dear. Around 1984 or so. I just got rid of the dress this year, though when we moved.

  • SallyT : I ain’t from Texas and ain’t going there either.

  • AlphaBitch : Sally: Dr Pepper, the National SoftDrink of Texas?

  • funksands : AB, halloween 2011?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : funk…luv it….

  • funksands : Murph, if someone asks you if you are a god, you say YES!!

  • SallyT : Personally I would never have 10 open Tabs but I do have a can of Dr.Pepper going.

  • AlphaBitch : Did I ever tell you about my fave Halloween costume? A cheapo brides gown I got at a thrift store for $12. I Left the price tag on, and wore it (w/ cowboy boots and skeletal earrings) and went up to every guy at the party, tucked my arm into his and said “I do. Or I did. But only once and it wasn’t that much fun.”

  • MurphTheSurf3 : WHO YA GONNA CALL…Funksande rs

  • funksands : No fly tonight Sally dear.

  • funksands : :-)

  • funksands : I’ve got 10 tabs open. Does it make my browser look fat?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Funk…I am the Marshmallow Man

  • SallyT : Funk, I don’t know about the tabs but your fly is open.

  • AlphaBitch : And what is the tab for tonight, Funk?

  • funksands : I am the Keymaster, are you the Gatekeeper?

  • SallyT : Funny, Murph!

  • AlphaBitch : Funk is our tabs keeper…

  • funksands : You type distracted

  • MurphTheSurf3 : funk why did you ask about tabs?

  • AlphaBitch : MTS: Too funny!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : A favorite story…A judge in SF had a couple before him wanting a divorce. Wife 90. Husband 91. They claimed to have been out of love for 50 plus years. When asked why they waited so long their response was that they did not want to split as long as their kids were still ALIVE…..

  • funksands : «link»

  • AlphaBitch : Probably the socks.

  • AlphaBitch : LOL

  • funksands : “You can have him”

  • AlphaBitch : Funk, are you offering to marry her? What will Missriss Funk say??

  • SallyT : At 70 I don’t know if I would recognize sex????

  • AlphaBitch : Or cook. I can’t read the damn books now at 60!

  • funksands : Seriously, where would you start? All the drive-ins are torn down!

  • SallyT : She said she almost married 45 years ago but changed her mind.

  • AlphaBitch : It’d be hard to bend down and pick up the mister’s socks now at 70.

  • AlphaBitch : Maybe it was 70 virgins who wanted to marry. The blov asked one of our Muslim kids “What happens if all the virgins are 70 year old nuns?” The look of shock…..

  • SallyT : Personally, I would hate to be getting started at 70!

  • funksands : Is she sure? Maybe she should wait for the right guy!

  • SallyT : Yes, it is true, or atleast she claims she is.

  • AlphaBitch : Nope. Now THAT’S funk-y!

  • SallyT : Okay, did you see the story of the 70 year old virgin that thinks she is ready to marry?

  • AlphaBitch : I’ve wanted to watch the close down the shop, and thanks to my fab friend, I’m here to see it through.

  • funksands : That’s it? ;-)

  • AlphaBitch : Trying to talk to a friend on the W coast and read all the musings of the evening. Hmmm seems religion and politics both covered. Sex?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Funk…5

  • SallyT : AlphaBitch, you get to pick the topic.

  • funksands : Murph, just out of curiosity, how many tabs do you have open on your browser?

  • AlphaBitch : Good god, Batman!

  • SallyT : GOOD!

  • funksands : Holy crap!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : funk, sally and whoever else…I have not been chased away

  • AlphaBitch : Fat chance, Funk. I’ve just now awakened!

  • SallyT : You are the scary one, FUNK!

  • funksands : I’ve chased them all away….excellen t

  • SallyT : CL, you leaving?

  • funksands : Cheers and good night.

  • choicelady : funk – that IS still our plan, but not precisely where. July for sure, just not the exact dates. We will be in touch.

  • SallyT : Happy Mother’s Day there KES! Have a good one. Mansion has already given me a dozen roses!

  • choicelady : ‘Night KQ and Sabreen. I think I’m following you both – up at 4 am, six plus hours on the road, long, long conference, and I’ve HAD it. So good night everyone! See you next week!

  • kesmarn : Thanks so much, c’lady. He’s worked awfully hard.

  • funksands : CL, you still headed up this way in the summer?

  • SallyT : Goodnight Sabreen!

  • kesmarn : G’night Sabreen!

  • funksands : Night Sabreen

  • SallyT : Anyway, she got told off some. KQ, have a good night! See you later.

  • kesmarn : I think I’ll have to check out, too, KQ and all. After the midnight hour here! Have a great weekend. And to the moms here, happy mom’s day!

  • Sabreen60 : Good nite KQ. I’ve got to go, too – have an early morning. Take care y’all.

  • choicelady : Oh kes, yes. I’m so glad he marched and got hooded and all! Congratulations about and for him, and also on GREAT weather!

  • SallyT : KQ, did you see the post on Bristol I put up?

  • funksands : Night K

  • KQµårk 死神 : Take care folks I gotta go. Good talking for a bit.

  • kesmarn : Yes, c’lady. He marched hood and all. To humor his sentimental mom. He would just as soon have skipped it. Perfect weather.

  • choicelady : KQ – so you ARE going! I think you’ll like it there. It’s awfully pretty, IMHO.

  • SallyT : Sabreen, I have a book Gods and Goddesses and many of the ancient stories/pagan are retold as biblical in the Bible.

  • funksands : Need to brush up on my PA geography I can see.

  • kesmarn : c’lady, you’re right. Madison is waaaay up there in math. Higher than some of the Ivies. It was a heart-breaker to turn Purdue down, but he had to do it.

  • choicelady : Murph – yes, that would be the role of women at the Last Supper. Women WERE powerful in early Christianity. Too bad the Old Boys did then what they’re trying to do now to the nuns. Women in the church ARE the church, never mind the pastors.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Actually NE PA.

  • Sabreen60 : CL, I can’t recall, but years ago I read that Egyptians believed a story very much like the story of Jesus.

  • funksands : KQ, that’s west PA?

  • choicelady : Kes – OH wow – did NOT know he marched last Saturday! Hood and all? Hope it wasn’t hot!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Joe Biden land. :lol:

  • kesmarn : Thanks, Sabreen. He’s excited and so am I. But I’m gonna miss him too….

  • KQµårk 死神 : Around Wilkesbarre Scranton.

  • choicelady : Kes! FAB news! U of Wisconsin is such a GREAT school! Maybe not quite as close as Purdue, but not terribly far away. I’m so happy for him and for you!

  • funksands : KQ, excellent. What part of the state, if I can ask?

  • kesmarn : KQ, some of the Madison grant money came from the NSF. I think our Prez may have had something to do with that!

  • choicelady : funk – I don’t know much at all of Egyptian religion, but I thought Horus had 12 servants – not as we think of them, but as people who attended him. Not QUITE the same thing – but likely the origin of the story in Christianity!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL There is a tradition within the earliest christian communities that Mary Magdalene, Salome, and the other Mary were all presbyters, priests….prese nt at the Last Supper and commissioned by Yeshua

  • funksands : Masters in math? Good god, do people still do that?

  • KQµårk 死神 : We’re moving in the late fall funk.

  • Sabreen60 : That’s great Kes.

  • kesmarn : Thanks, funk. He just got a masters in math (ceremony was last Saturday).

  • SallyT : Mary M was came from a wealthy family and she financed Jesus in his teachings.

  • KQµårk 死神 : That’s awesome Kes good for him.

  • funksands : Kes, that’s awesome.

  • choicelady : Hey KQ – yes, they had to demean her. Nice to see you!

  • kesmarn : Doing fairly well, KQ. Son got a great offer from U of Wisconsin, Madison and is off to that place in July to start that PhD!

  • funksands : Hey KQ! Did you guys end up moving to PA?

  • choicelady : funk – No, current scholarship indicates she was a woman of some means who was really the first disciple and an equal with the others. She attraced other women. The problem is that there were MANY “Marys” – Miriams actually – that get confused too easily. She was also NOT the prostitute who washed Jesus’ feet. She also probably was not Jesus’ wife. But maybe. But who cares. She was profound in her presence though – and women scholars are really digging into who she was. Fascinating.

  • funksands : Didn’t Horus also have 12 dsciples?

  • Sabreen60 : Hi KQ!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Good you Kes.

  • SallyT : Yes, CL, and that is why they made Mary M a whore when she wasn’t.

  • BourneID : Thanks MTS – talk to you soon.

  • Sabreen60 : Nite Bourne and take care of yourself.

  • kesmarn : Hey, KQ! How are you?

  • KQµårk 死神 : Just dropped in to say hi.

  • choicelady : Sally – that is true, but early Christianity was driven by women first. The later church HAD to purge them – they were too powerful and too threatening to men’s control of power.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Nite Bourne….great interaction tonight…good contributions to the club

  • BourneID : CL, great. Yes, time to say goodnight – have a good weekend everyone.

  • funksands : CL, I always thought Mary M. was simply as representational figure of several beings/people. Not so?

  • SallyT : Goodnight Bourne. Have a nice evening!

  • kesmarn : G’Night, Bourne. And I would never laugh @ you! :-D

  • choicelady : Bourne – I’d love that. I’ll have AdLib put us in touch! Are you shuffling off now? If so, sweet dreams – I’m NOT far behind!

  • SallyT : The ancient religions had goddesses and the men that choose the books for the Bible didn’t want women to have any power.

  • choicelady : funk – perfect term for him – douchebag. Bishop John Shelby Spong (retire Episcopal Bishop of Newark, NJ and the one who elevated Gene Robinson as the first openly gay Bishop) wrote about Paul and what Spong believes are Paul’s own struggles with his homosexuality. VERY eye opening.

  • BourneID : well all…thanks for an enjoyable evening. CL, one day we must have lunch or coffee or something.

  • SallyT : Paul was gay. Not McCartney, tho.

  • kesmarn : Murph I always suspected that original sin meant that we all have crazy parents. And we suffer for their craziness. And our kids do the same thing re:us! And on, and on! :lol

  • choicelady : funk – I was on a panel with two other women, one Muslim, one Jewish (a rabbi) speaking about our role as women and how to be activist AS women. I said Christianity set an almost impossible task – all our “role models” were unattainble, without sin, and divine. It makes seeing who you are and can be very difficult in literalist traditions. It’s one reason SO many women are learning about who Mary Magdalene REALLY was (she was NOT a prostitute.)

  • funksands : CL Paul was an uptight douchebag wasn’t he?

  • BourneID : MTS The immaculate perception…out standing.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : kes…never sinned…the immaculate perception

  • SallyT : Didn’t think I would, Funk, but one has to try.

  • choicelady : Bourne – I so agree! I like that they know there WAS a real person, Jesus (not sure it was his name) who brought this amazing new message to people who were so rule bound and hierarchical. And I LOVE the role of women in his mission – they were central. So FU Saul/Paul for changing the message and saying women were second class citizens. People who claim to be Christian but think women are inferior are Paulists, NOT Christians!

  • kesmarn : Actually c’lady, the immaculate conception thing implied that Mary never sinned/suffered from original sin. The one you’re thinking of is the virgin birth. Nevertheless, I do hope it was easy!

  • funksands : You don’t scare me…

  • Sabreen60 : Funk – :D :D

  • SallyT : Funk, BOO!

  • funksands : Speaking of immaculate conception: «link»

  • choicelady : kes – since I have no belief in anything literal, all I hope is she had an easy delivery!

  • funksands : Hi Sabreen!

  • BourneID : CL thanks for the title; and remember tho original and all changes were written by men who applied the values and customs of the time. I took a great class at university called The Bible as History – and that is where its value really lies.

  • Sabreen60 : Hey Funk!

  • kesmarn : :lol: Good one, c’lady! ah…that immaculate conception thing. Jesus’s ma had a good thing going there.

  • SallyT : More evidence that the Bible was written by men.

  • funksands : Hi CL! Murph, good to see you. I think I saw Sally somewhere around here…

  • choicelady : Hey funk!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Funksands…hah! And murph indeed….AdLib left me on my own and then came you.

  • funksands : A ball of very cool stress. Nice to see you Kes

  • choicelady : kes – yes, and that’s rather the stronges point. He does tell her to return to her faithfulness to her husband (go and sin no more) but doesn’t JUDGE her and prevents others from stoning her. GREAT joke – when he says, “Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone, an old lady shuffles up with a pebble and lets fly. Jesus turns to her and says, “You know, Ma, sometimes you REALLY piss me off!”

  • kesmarn : Good evening, groovy funk! How be you?

  • funksands : ….and Murph…

  • funksands : Good evening groovy ladies…

  • BourneID : Thanks MTS, I thought it was one of the Carolinas.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL Matthew 19 is the Gospel passage re. marriage. It states that a man may not divorce his wife unless she is unfaithful to him; that marriage was meant to provide a way for men and women to create new families away from the one of their origin, and that some are called to be eunuchs for the kingdom. Of note…since the passage was kicked off by a question about divorce between a man and woman, the answer is based on this….Nothing about gay relationships… Paul addresses this in negative terms however…referr ing back to Sodom and Gommorrah.

  • SallyT : Sure would like to get in the Pope’s library! I bet there are lots of stuff that was in and taken out of the Bible and much more that had nothing to do with the religion at all.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – not to worry about being Biblically knowledgable. Only those who use it as a weapon are deeply immersed in details.

  • kesmarn : Jesus did comment about the “woman taken in adultery” which would be a sexual issue. But his comment was: “Leave her alone!” and “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” Read that one, RWer!

  • SallyT : So for the most part we don’t think this will cost vote or make votes for the President??

  • choicelady : Bourne – in a wonderful book, “Misquoting Jesus” the author notes there are over 400,000 VERSIONS of the Bible because people made errors, and even today with the conservative movement removing ALL liberal passages, total rewrites of some things. Plus, they left out all the books the formal church did not like. Lots and lots of doubt about how ‘inerrant’ the Bible really is!!!!

  • kesmarn : Never, Bourne!

  • Sabreen60 : CL, I had the books mixed up. You can tell I not very informed about the Bible.

  • BourneID : Kesman are you laughing at me?

  • kesmarn : That was “dysfunct-pop-m a” Bourne — which makes sense! :lol:

  • choicelady : Sabreen – it’s not Ecclesiastes that says that. It’s Leviticus in the OLD Testament. That’s where the icky stuff is as well as really solid laws of economic equality. But Jesus said nothing about any of the sexual issues at all – just “love thy neighbor”. He reached out to all the “enemies” of the Jews, and if that’s not proof of our need to get beyond labels, don’t know what is. The Bible rails against ALL self centered and careless sex. It is silent on committed relationships because they were not inimical to social stability.

  • BourneID : the word is dysfundctional family – I have no idea what that other one is.

  • kesmarn : Sabreen, the RW should read Proverbs, chapter 28. I just stumbled upon it the other day. MANY verses condemning the rich who hoard wealth and harm the poor.

  • BourneID : MTS that poor Bible has more rewrites than Law & Order in 20 years of broadcasting. Amazing. You do know that when God created Adam and then decided he needed compahy so created Eve that the result was that God actually created the first dysfunctopma; family. I’ve also thought there was a litle mischief in there. I’m amazed at the RW Christians who don’t see that even God makes mistakes – his prototype humans didn’t turn out too well.

  • SallyT : Not always, CL, but yes it did happen to some.

  • Sabreen60 : The more “enlightened” preacher on Ed’s show said that there is only one book in the Bible – Ecclesiastes – that speaks against gays. Of course that same book says that children who disobey their parents should be stoned and something else I forget.

  • choicelady : Sally – but love came. Had a diary once of a man called Nailer Tom. He noted events every day for over 50 years. His note when he wed was, “I got married yesterday.” When she died many years later, I cannot even describe the anguish with which he wrote his farewell to her. He adored her, and she him. What a lovely thing to know. He wrote, “I cannot believe I will never, never, never see her again.” It was heartbreaking. Love was just a very different proposition for most people then. It was late 1700s to about 1834 that he kept his records. Beautiful.

  • SallyT : That is why cousins married cousins to keep it all in the family.

  • kesmarn : Oh those damn cookies. They are too delicious. Yes, now the Conf of Catholic Bishops is investigating the Girl Scouts. Sigh… Couldn’t they turn their attention to bingo: positive and negative arguments for parishes to have it?

  • SallyT : Bourne, yes it took time but it is not an issue now and he was trying to say that this won’t be in time either.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne….SC

  • BourneID : Hey Kes, he’s my favorite guest on the afternoon MSNBC circuit; he still can’t finish a sentence on Chris show (who can?). but I do like him a lot

  • SallyT : CL, that is so true. And marriage use to be for property matter mainly. Marriages were arranged for that purpose. No love involved.

  • choicelady : kes – after the War on Girl Scouts happened, a huge group of women started buying up cookies outside the supermarket where I shop! Did the GS a real favor, they did! I bought five boxes and had them sent to the troops. Better there than on my butt.

  • BourneID : Sally, the miscegination laws re interracial marriage didn’t end in all the states with (help me out her Murph) one of the Carolinas still having it on the books in the 70′s I think. But the law doesn’t wipe out the ignorance.

  • choicelady : Sally – it’s precisely upon that ground that marriage equality stands. Marriage is NOT eternally about “one man, one woman”. It has had many and various forms over the centuries. And at one point in New England, marriages could NOT be in churches – it was an entirely secular issue. It was not legal to get married in a church if you were a Puritan!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Saw a debate this week between a RW PREACHER and a THEOLOGIAN FROM GARRET THEOLOGICAL AT NORTHWESTERN U. The Preacher said his opposition to Obama was based on biblical principals re the nature of marriage. The theologian pointed out that per the Bible there were two initial human beings who had two sons…where did the next generation come from? Incest. He pointed out that the normal form of marriage in the Old Testament is polygamous. He noted that divorce was generally forbidden. Bottom line: the preacher’s view was shown to be one of fitting the Bible to his standards.

  • kesmarn : My money would be on Eugene Robinson, Bourne! :lol:

  • kesmarn : Yes, c’lady, when the Girl Scouts become a cause for another Inquisition, you know you’ve really jumped the shark.

  • SallyT : CL, I also heard several African American talking about how it use to be that they could not marry a white as it was against the law. We moved on from that and we can from this.

  • BourneID : Hey all, before I forget. One of my lofteir intellectual pursuits every night is watching Jeopardy. They’re now in DC; next week their guests are what they call the “power players” so Monday, Chris Matthews, Chuck Todd and Eugene Robinson are on. I hoe Matthews gets creamed. It should be fun…don’t know the rest of the week…

  • choicelady : kes – LOL!!! I work closely with the Catholic Conference here, and all I ever do when their Ex.Dir. starts blathering about “institutional morality” is raise an eyebrow. He shuts up.

  • choicelady : Sabreen – I head one Black preacher say race is a fact, sexuality is a choice and that he’d seen many “former gays” but never a “former Black”. Oh? We USED to call that “passing”. LOTS of people have done it. I have a friend who is – her father did, she is, her daughter and grandchildren are. So much for THAT argument!

  • kesmarn : Exactly, c’lady. And hardline RW Catholics who object to the statement by PBO REALLY do not have a leg to stand on when it comes to defending the innocence of children.

  • SallyT : Eva Longoria on Bill Maher tonight said that the Spanish vote won’t be influenced by the President’s decision on marriage nor will they care if Romney choices whats his name to get their votes.

  • choicelady : kes – I agree, but it’s legal. And we need to raise that up when the spittle flies in the mouths of the RW who say the next step on the slippery slope is marrying off kids!

  • Sabreen60 : Murph, I certainly don’t believe religious AA’s will not vote for him. Generally, we are not single issue voters. I saw a preacher on Ed’s show, which was hosted by Michael Eric Dyson. This particular preacher was anti-choice and anti-gay and he was very ummm, ill informed. Michael wiped the floor up with him.

  • kesmarn : c’lady, that Jerry Lee Lewis situation was…unhealthy. ..to say the least. Loretta Lynn was married at 13 to a grown man, too. That should be against the law in any state.

  • SallyT : I don’t think that the President made that announcement for votes. I think he has been really trying to accept it as he said. The Africa Americans and the Mexicans have a problem with it but I think they will still support the President. I do think that the younger generation has been in influence to the President in making his decision.

  • kesmarn : The news of the high school Romney’s attack on gay students was the perfect antidote to any negative reaction to the Prez’s announcement, I think. Tolerance or bullyism, voters? Which side are you on?

  • choicelady : Murph – tonight David Brooks said that it COULD cost PBO the swing states such as Ohio. That’s very worrisome. But frankly, his leaving it TO the states, as all marriage is, was spot on. Brooks noted that Romney is going to do something federal to put an end to marriage equality and PBO is leaving it to the states. Totally opposite from the usual! But states have the rights – which is why MS lets 13-year-old girls get married with their parents’ OK. So much for “adults marrying children” if gay marriage occurs. Several states already permit that! Anyone here recall Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his 13-year-old cousin?? I think she later committed suicide.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne, thanks

  • BourneID : Hey Murph, re the dollar incident; it was early in the debate period. I’ll try to find it. I know there were many really disgusted people who commented. One reply to something I wrote said, “Well what YOU have give? He didn’t have to give anything.” Of course, I had to up the ante and said, “I’d give him a hundred dollars, especially since he had press following him everywhere. That’s how we found out.”

  • SallyT : CL, that is just a short explanation of the differences but I think you can get an idea from that for a start.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sabreen…I remember saying to my friends that the rev. Wright sermon fiasco would torpedo O’s campaign, but he used it to create a new understanding of race on the left and to neuter his enemies….I wonder if the same will happen with gay marriage.

  • kesmarn : Yes, Murph, it communicates that PBO is not willing to pander to the RW just for a few votes that may or may not have gone his way.

  • SallyT : They stayed behind and are more open minded. The SLC crowd do not like them at all!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : kes….I agree….my group of progressive friends regarded the action as a wide swing into left field telling us that he is with us and that we better return the favor.

  • Sabreen60 : Sally, I was really ashamed at my first reaction. I said out loud, ‘well there goes the election’. Then I came to my senses – which is I don’t know.

  • SallyT : Latter Day Saints in the mid west broke from the Mormon/LDS. They did not like the more than one wife thing and other practices that Brigram Young was following.

  • kesmarn : I think the RW hoped the Prez’s “gay evolution” statement would become a big negative for him. I think they misgauge the growing tolerance of the American population. Especially younger people. To them: no biggie.

  • Sabreen60 : Good nite Adlib.

  • SallyT : How do you all feel the President’s decision to say that he is now in support of gay marriage will affect his re election?

  • BourneID : CL I’m not a good judge of LDS/Mormon – Sa;ly will you explain the difference? My comments are based on my own “feeling’ about the oddness = but that might be just a particular family.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…certainl y willing to discuss this if others are…can you CAP it to draw attention to it or just let it go as is?

  • BourneID : AL 0 it was a word that just happened. I was teling Murph about seeing a 9/11 documentary on Smithsonian and saw a President Bush who was on that day truly the Presiden tof the United States. That’s when I felt that Mitt could never do what GWB did or what Pres did at Ft. Hood or last year telling when he told us binLaden was dead. Mitt must not become president. A CEO is NOT qualification for that job. He reported to a Board whose bottom line is profit; furthermore, I doubt he ever crunced a dollar; the financial sucess of his businesses belongs to the CFO. but don’t get me started. I started thinking of this when Herman Cain said he didn’t have to know all that stuff about Lybia and geograph; his people would take of it.

  • SallyT : Murph, that was a started conversation but we got off track and on to the bully. Sure lets discuss it.

  • choicelady : ADLib – sorry you have to dash off, but have a lovely weekend et al. We’ll clean up and help Sally turn out the lights. G’night!

  • kesmarn : Right back atcha, C’lady! Had to work earlier but the census went down and I got to go home. Nice.

  • choicelady : KES!!!! Great to see you here! Lovely you got the night off!

  • SallyT : There is a difference between Latter Day Saints and the LDS/Mormons.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally T…have you got “Obama’s Gay Marriage Evolution” on your agenda for discussion tonight? Good or bad call? Impact on the campaign? His place in history?

  • kesmarn : Anyone remember the “Back to the Future” character? Was it Biff? Marty McFly’s nemesis? That’s my view of Romney now.

  • choicelady : Bourne – I knew I probably did not take it all in on LDS when I once met a Puerto Rican pro-choice Mormon. Most of the LDS women I’ve EVER met are pro-choice. So I’m not a good judge – I’ve me only the ‘worldly’ ones, LOL!!!

  • AdLib : Cheers all!

  • SallyT : I will be happy to close up, AdLib! Have fun!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : By AdLib……

  • choicelady : Sabreen – Yes, I’d heard that as well, that Ann was giving cover for the bullying story. I really want PAC ads about his bullying – plant closings, laughing at his father’s moving production away, sneering at service people, etc. – put it, and the poor dog into a single picture about how Romney won’t care about YOU either!

  • kesmarn : The minute I arrive, you’re leaving AdLiB!!?? Seriously, safe travels.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…the interview as cover makes sense now…I did not get the “Mitt is a prankster” gambit until now. Well done.

  • AdLib : Hey all, sorry but I have to run to the airport for a pickup! Please keep Vox rolling and Sally, don’t forget to turn out the lights before you leave. Thanks all, wish I could stay!!!

  • SallyT : Sabreen, I did tell that earlier about the interview that the Romneys had a heads up and that was early damage control.

  • Sabreen60 : Hi Kes!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Hey kes

  • kesmarn : Good evenin’ all. Got early parole from work tonight! YAY! How’s everyone?

  • choicelady : Bourne and AdLib – yes, it’s as if he’s missing every shred of superego that connects you to something moral and good. Nope – not there.

  • BourneID : Cl and Murph – re the LDS. I agree the families are nice but I don’t think that individuality is encouraged. I’m probably completely wrong, and yes they are really good people but the family didn’t engage in any of our social activities.

  • SallyT : The protection of the church in SLC is very strong.

  • Sabreen60 : Hi CL, I’m ok. Just trying to process all the news this week. This much I know – Romney is a douche. I read where someone mentioned (I’m not going back thru all the comments) about Ann saying Romney was still a “crazy guy”. From what I understand, WaPo had been working on the bullying story for weeks and the Romneys found out about it. Remember the interview when she wore the $1000 t-shirt? Well her comments about Mitt being a prankster and how he was still the crazy guy he was when he was in school was to give cover for the story.

  • choicelady : Sally – Oy! That’s horrible and scary! Only LDS folks I know are isolated from “the pack”, so maybe it makes a difference? They all seem pretty nice.

  • AdLib : Bourne – I like that phrase for Romney, “unfinished”. He is missing a part of what makes someone a healthy human being.

  • SallyT : I lived there for 8 years and I can tell you this with all honesty that 1 out of 8 women I met had been sexually abused by a member of their family. They have a special section in the state prison in Provo for those that are accused. Many never are.

  • BourneID : Hey MTS, no the elinks isn’t familiar but I want to see more of it. I’m collecting quite a lot of new resources.

  • choicelady : Anyone – when Air America was on, they had a mock British Music Hall song supposedly sung by an upper class twit who was singing “Sorry” for torture and other US acts of aggression. It was incredibly AWFUL and incredibly funny all at the same time. Anyone know it? I’d love to find the words.

  • SallyT : SLC is where you will see the true effect of Mormons.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…another reference but the story has some differing details. «link»

  • AdLib : Murph – I heard the same story about Mitt offering a dollar. What else would a greedy SOB do?

  • choicelady : AdLib – yes, that’s right, he did chuckle! I’m telling you – this man is a sociopath.

  • BourneID : MTS One of our agents was LDS and his teenage daughters used to work for me doing cleaning and so on because they wanted to earn money for Christmas. I can’t describe the odd sense I had that something is missing – the same thing I said in a post to you today; Mitt will never grow into a President as others have and I think I said, He’s unfinished – like there’s a part that is not fully functionin. it’s strange. I used to stop in Salt Lake City enroute to Okalahom and east when I worked for the feds; I was fascinated that everyone in the airport behaved the same;almost dazed.

  • choicelady : Murph – I think LDS families are like any other – highly variable with their kids. The few LDS families I know are quite nice, and the kids are very cheerful. Big contrast with about a dozen very LITTLE kids who were Jehovah’s Witnesses I met at a funeral. Those kids were creepy well behaved. Sat still for an HOUR at ages 4-8. That was horrible, because you don’t get that behavior without massive terrorism toward them.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…does this look familiar? «link»

  • AdLib : CL – Mitt CHUCKLED as he recalled his assault on that kid. Chuckled! He is seriously messed up.

  • SallyT : Well, he is too late in his sorry as the boy/man died a few years ago.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…have you found a description of that one dollar incident in the press anywhere….if not….could you write it up with all of the details of the rally…I would love to have it for my quiver.

  • choicelady : Sally – I was interested in how ALL the others involved in that haircutting incident were ashamed, and yes, Mitt “does not even remember his wild and crazy youth and by the way if anyone was offended? Sorry. Now get over it.”

  • choicelady : Hey Sabreen! How ARE you?

  • BourneID : MTS I wonder if there is an image when he looks in the mirror. I think I told you about his being at a rally in a small midwestern town where he talked to a famly that just lost its home and job; their 8 or 9 old boy was standing by Mitt, who took out his wallet, searched through a fat bunder of bills and pulled out $1.00 an gave it to the child. The most disgusting display I’ve seen ever…

  • choicelady : Murph – just noticed what you’d said. Yes the name is from a Bible verse about the “Watchmen on the wall…” who do, something, something, something. (I am really the wrong person to quote Bible stuff, never mind my employment!) They see themselves as THE defenders of God, country, pierogi pie. It really IS a global conspiracy – they are every damn where.

  • SallyT : I have to say it says alot that the other guys involved in the bullying have felt bad about it ever since. One even finding the boy years later to say he was sorry about it. Romney claims not to remember it and laughs at the story when asked about it. That tells me a lot about Romney.

  • AdLib : Hey Sabreen!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : ANYONE…any idea how Latter Day Saints discipline their kids? I am trying to figure out if the veneer of civility is part of the general “everything is nice” and “smile, smile, smile” cover that the Broadway Show “Book of Mormon” mocks.

  • AdLib : CL – I see the same thing and was thinking of writing a post about ROmney seeming to be sociopathic. Not in a serial killer way but in the way of many in the financial industry, they’re attracted to it, who destroyed this nation’s economy out of greed. I think sociopathy has been gaining ground and Mitt is the perfect embodyment of it.

  • choicelady : Bourne – they are sponsored by others in their churches. They do assume financial responsibility for them and then claim they are “persecuted Christians” so they get asylum. When same sex marriage was briefly legal, a bunch of them were across from County hall raising hell. They will be picketing the Gay Pride Parade – and I lead it with my pro-GLBT faith organization’s sign. They often put me up front because I’m used to the harassment. I deflect the body blows. And I am NOT making that up. Last two years though, they were not even along the parade route, so I hope that’s true this year, too.

  • Sabreen60 : Hi everyone! Some week, huh?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne- SH’s comparison are always going to be ad absurdum – Barack’s wild oats involved drug use, poor grades and flirtation with black nationalism….a ll of which he documented in his own writing…This Romney thing is different….I truly do not know what it really means…..Romney has as CL said worked hard on his image, but is the image a coverup….

  • BourneID : MtS, if there’s anything I know how to do, it’s scope out the best places to shop. When I left Asia, my colleagues predicted their economy would plunge. World markets depend on me (and VISA and Master card – God bless them). Of course I bank with Chase so I’m not smart after all.

  • choicelady : AdLib – thank you, thank you. I practice psychoanalysis quite freely without a license. After years of dealing on the streets with the “lower sorts” who are his equivalent, I see NO diffeence between him and members of Operation Rescue. He just has better clothes.

  • BourneID : CL I didn’t know that; how do they get them into the country? Is this true – the Ukrainians?

  • SallyT : I heard that the Romney’s had a heads up that this story was coming out and that is why Mrs Romney went on and talked about how crazy he was when he was young.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL..Watchmen on the Wall! Yikes…Sounds like the title of the next Avengers film.

  • AdLib : CL – Wow, you really nailed Romney down! I agree completely!

  • choicelady : Bourne – those folks from the Ukraine may be members of the “Watchmen on the Wall” rabid anti-gay Pentecostals brought here to insert themselves into anti-gay, anti-abortion politics. Scary folks.

  • BourneID : Hey MTS just saw Sean Hannity comparing the bully/haircut thing with the Pres saying in an interview that he had some wild days as a kid. Of course SH is stunned that anyone would not see how much worse Barack is. What station am I watching – it’s not Fox why is hannity on.

  • AdLib : Sally – Cruelty to the handicapped, minorities and animals. As Bito mentioned, there is a psychology associated with that.

  • choicelady : ADLib – I heard he held the door closed and let the teacher walk into it. Tonight on PBS Evening News, Brooks said that as an adult Romney wasn’t known as anything but a nice guy. Oh? He shuts plants, laughs at people’s anguish about it, loves to FIRE people who provide him service, and yes – the dog. He is, I honestly believe this, a sociopath who has learned to put a veneer of respectability on it with his peers. His disdain of working people, women, minorities is sheer bullying. It’s bred in his bones.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne- Patriotic Purchasing requires both knowing where to shop and where not to…looks like you scoped it out.

  • SallyT : AdLib, it was a closed door. Romney held the first door open for him and left the second one closed and laughed about it. The teacher let it pass.

  • AdLib : Murph – The whole financial world is about being bullies and assholes. Ganging up on others, taking advantage of the weak, I don’t think ROmney could have ended up doing anything else.

  • BourneID : Thanks CL’ I will spend all the money necessary for my country. The fact i love to shop is not an incentive. I also use only local srvice buesiness (plumber, etc) and seldome shop at Walmart. At the one nearest me almost all the employees are from he Ukraine.

  • AdLib : Did you hear how another of young Romney’s “pranks” was leading a blind teacher into a closed door or closet?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…The Bully Boy behavior certainly finds its grown up reflection in the work of Bain Capital…Bane indeed…I wonder. Kids can be cruel and 18 is still being a kid…I went to prep like Cranbrook and the culture is very Lord of the Flies…

  • SallyT : Bill Maher said that after the hearing about what Romney did to that poor boy in school, his dog said, “And i thought I had it bad!”

  • choicelady : Bourne – I have to laugh about the Sunday closing because I assume it was OWNED BY RW RELIGIOUS FREAKS!!! Shows one should NOT make judgments! I’m not sure how I feel about Sunday closings. Just so I can get wine. I got Blue Lawed to death in MA some years ago. I’ll ponder that.

  • BourneID : CL I have great respect for Buffet. There’s something else that attracts me to the store – it’s closed on Sunday. What a great thing if all stores did that – maybe we’d come back to some of our famil traditions.

  • AdLib : So folks, what do you think, is Romney’s image as a bully going to stick?

  • choicelady : Bourne – may I doff my hat, if I had a hat, to you for going hog wild spending to support the economy and screw with GOP minds. VERY noble of you to make that sacrifice.

  • choicelady : Bourne – I did NOT know Buffet owned it! I once owned ONE share of his B stock (can’t remotely afford one of his A stock) and my aunt and uncle both knew him a little. He’s well worth patronizing. Good for you!

  • AdLib : Murph – It would have to be coordinated and that’s fighting words to OWS folks.

  • choicelady : AdLib – yes, it helps keep the arthritis at bay wrapping my hands around the necks of people WHO ARE MAKING ME CRAZY. No one seems eager to volunteer, however.

  • BourneID : CL, I bought everything at RC Willey in Rocklin; love that place; owned by Buffet, you know, so I’m sort of hanging with billionairs these days. It’s a great store and I got my refrig there, went past the electronics dept and picked up a 60″plasma TV which didn’t need but wanted…I’m doind all I can to defeat the GOP hunger games by spending and helping the economy.

  • AdLib : CL – Choking is actually good exercise for your hands.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib- just read through it. Well thought out….but at the end the call to take to the streets…..WHEN , WHERE, HOW…aye, there’s the rub.

  • choicelady : Murph – very cool, thank you. And thank you Kalima!

  • choicelady : ADLib – “and I CANNOT choke the living shit…” Obviously getting up at 4 am is NOT my best thing.

  • AdLib : Murph – The link works.

  • choicelady : AdLib – not a problem. It means now I’m distracted and choke the living shit out of the guy I told you about. Of course he’s down in Santa Clara, so he’s pretty safe.

  • SallyT : Oh, AdLib, eat the apple! I spiked everyones drinks!

  • BourneID : CL, excellent area

  • MurphTheSurf3 : ALL…see if this posts correctly. Kalima’s OWS Global Manifesto is at «link»

  • choicelady : Oh Bourne – I’m sorry! I hope you found one of the “bundled” purchases for appliances. Sac Bee has ads at least once a week for really good prices. But I’m about to do the same – our refrigerator is making VERY alarming rattling noises! Yikes! Problem = we JUST bought a new dishwasher so don’t want to replace it all.

  • AdLib : CL – Not at all, Kalima is an angel!

  • AdLib : CL – Good stuff! Wish you didn’t have to hassle with that.

  • BourneID : CL it has been very hot; and I have a poltergeist in my attic I guess because my A/C isn’t working well. All my appliances have died so I buy all new (Of course, I really wanted to)…so between Whirlpool and the Obama collection plate, I’m once again poor.

  • choicelady : AdLib! Saying Kalima’s apple is making you sleepy is implying Kalima’s the Wicked Witch!

  • choicelady : Hey AdLib – how are you? I’m still editing the runic marks in HOPE. Should get it and the additions to Irene next week.

  • AdLib : Seeya, Kalima! Tasty apple, BTW…why do I feel so sleepy…

  • choicelady : Bourne – down in Santa Clara where it’s considerably cooler.

  • choicelady : Kalima – nice to see you, however briefly!

  • BourneID : Hi CL; where were you?

  • Kalima : Ok all, have to start to work, have fun and I’ll catch you later. Sayonara.

  • choicelady : Hi Bourne – is it hot over on your side of town, too? Can’t quite get used to it. Actually I NEVER get used to it, and this isn’t bad.

  • AdLib : Hey CL! Nice to see you too!

  • AdLib : What OWS insists is unnecessary is their main obstacle. No movement I’m aware of has ever been devoid of identifiable leaders or martyrs. When people think they can re-invent the wheel in a different shape, keep your head down.

  • BourneID : BTW MTS, have you noticed how quiet I am tonight? I told you if I signed on I wouldn’t stop talking…fair warning all.

  • choicelady : Hi everyone! Back from a VERY long day (on the road at 5 am) so I might not hang in very long. Good to see everyone.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Kalima…will do…need some inspiration tonight.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…some systems cannot tolerate the arts…..lalala!

  • Kalima : Murph, go to MB, you will find at the top of the thread.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne- It is hard to capture what Occupy is or is not organizationally . There is a group from several cities with which my group has contact but it is hard to call their gatherings “meetings.”

  • SallyT : Yes Bourne and the system crashed!

  • AdLib : Murph – It takes far more creative and visionary planning to outsmart the status quo and that requires not having 20 cooks in the kitchen.

  • Kalima : AdLib, you are my friend, you can eat it.

  • BourneID : Shy Sally T? Didn’t you come online singing?

  • AdLib : Kalima – So I should or shouldn’t eat the apple you gave me?

  • BourneID : I know Murph. The police were/ae out of control. Don’t like seeing Arpaio types in Oakland and Davis but there they were. Does OWS have meetings? Whats your role in this and many of you meet? I’m interested.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Kalima tried the longer version and the server could not connect…ian.co .uk/commen tisfree/2012/may /11/occupy-globa lmay-manifesto Really interested in what you have here.

  • AdLib : I don’t think OWS is over but they had the spotlight and their moment, it’s hard to recapture that…especiall y when the media is bent on ignoring everything they do.

  • Kalima : Can’t stay long, my broomstick is charged. :)

  • AdLib : Hey Kalima! What a treat to see you here!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Kalima…the link you left is for «link»

  • SallyT : Bourne, that’s okay. It takes awhile for me to get noticed. I am so shy.

  • Kalima : It’s coming up to lunchtime Murph.

  • BourneID : Hi Sally – just saw your greeting. I am always about 20 lines behind; be patient.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Kalima…hello from MB to Vox…long day for you…yes?

  • Kalima : The ‘GlobalMay manifesto’ of the Occupy movement The global Occupy movement wants a better world. Such a world is possible, and here’s how «link» ian.co.uk/commen tisfree/2012/may /11/occupy-globa lmay-manifesto

  • Kalima : From MB this morning.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne- The police took advantage of the lack of organization, the shrinking numbers, the presence of radical elements to push what had become a ragtag group out of parks. It was all so anti-climatic.

  • BourneID : Murph, re OWS, don’t you think the aggressive action of law enforcement stopped them cold? I’m still p..sd off over the UC Davis fiasco. Not acceptable – there’s a tremendous about of sympathy for the movement.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally- They have no agenda when they meet so that is the first order of business (or rather disorder). It takes forever because they argue about what they are going to talk about and then do not have time to talk about it. Order in the meetings no longer follows the rules for interaction they used in the first few months. AND things quickly get personal. There were four “protest vets” there and only one of us got a chance to speak (for all of us). We cited the report we did at their requests many months ago (and published here) but that was old news and labeled as “institutional “. So….the elections….the y don’t seem to get it- We lose this one, it is game over for awhile.

  • AdLib : I don’t dismiss actors and such as not having sharp opinions but in general, I think people here could be just as informed and thoughtful about issues as celebrities.

  • SallyT : Bill does have Eva Longoria on too and she is sharp on immigration!

  • AdLib : Bourne – Well…your odds are far better than winning the Mega Millions lottery! Still, the promotions are an important tool for them to keep getting small donations.

  • BourneID : AL I know about those “possible” dinners with Barack; everytime I click on yes, I’ve apparently made aanother donation. I am now up to 5 separate and still no invitation.

  • AdLib : Murph – Heh, just expressed the same! When you have a leaderless group, there can’t really be big picture strategic planning, an inherent handicap for OWS.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib The problem for Occupy was that its occupation tactic was not a good one in the long run- great and dramatic for the short term. Had they occupied in the Fall, pulled up stakes for the winter and then planned a huge “March On ????” they could still be relevant. Allowing themselves to shrink as they did and then hobble toward winter gave the police the opportunity they wanted. Bad tactics.

  • SallyT : Murph, are they talking about the election or just bicker over nothing important.

  • AdLib : Bourne – Hey, thought you were a Maher level high roller at $450/mo! Obama does keep having “bonus” contribution things, maybe a smaller donor dinner will be in the cards. There were some at Clooney’s, it was a lottery like thing, some regular folks who contributed were selected to attend.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally- I hope Occupy can rediscover (or even discover) a purpose and then look to those with some meaningful experience in organizing grand events. All they do at their meetings is bicker.

  • AdLib : Murph – I am concerned that OWS has lost momentum it may not be able to recapture. Not of their own doing, they had the private armies…er…ci ty police forces coordinating on snuffing out their protests. They do need a second chapter here and that requires more strategic planning.

  • BourneID : AL correct the figure; $50 a month. I sit in the dark so it’s a crap shoot for me to get a message out.

  • SallyT : Oh, he just cut him off!

  • SallyT : AdLib, Bill can’t get Norquist to shutup.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : David Cay Johnston and Grover Norquist on Maher- I will watch later. Wonder how that will go?

  • BourneID : AL I missed it too. I wonder if there’s a plan to have fundraiser for those of us who contribute 450 a month…Would be nice. MTS, Avengers looks interesting but I want to see the new Johnny Deppe movie…OMG, Sean Hannity is on talking the Pres…

  • SallyT : Murph, I think we will see more from OWS once school is out. Maybe?

  • SallyT : And Bourne!

  • SallyT : Hello Murph!

  • AdLib : Murph – Planning on taking my daughter to see Avengers. I liked superheroes and comics as a kid but the “stories” for most of these films is the same redundant, shallow stuff.

  • AdLib : Hey Murph!

  • AdLib : Hey Bourne! Didn’t have the $40,000 to go but it wasn’t that far from me, some streets shut down and the Pres within 20 miles.

  • SallyT : AdLib went and peeped in the window.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Good evening – just came from seeing The Avengers: It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing. BUT, it was perfect after an afternoon with the Occupy folks in the area. Nothing will come of the group I fear.

  • BourneID : Hello everyone. Signing on tonight; I’ve sitting on the sideline last 2 VPs eavesdropping. Anyone go to the fundraiser at George’s house last night? Bourne

  • SallyT : Oh, let them get a few into them. They are more fun that way!

  • AdLib : They’re all bunched up around the bar, figures. HEY! Leave a little vodka for us!

  • SallyT : I see them coming!

  • AdLib : The site had another hiccup right at 7 pm so it may have delayed people. It happened last week, I’ve got the tech boys working on it…meaning me and our web host!

  • SallyT : They are holding to your uninterrupted of them tonight, AdLib.

  • SallyT : Where is everyone else? It is usually just you and me at the end, not the beginning.

  • AdLib : I wouldn’t mind if you could have an honest and reasonable discussion with Repubs but they just spew the same obnoxious talking points, never listen and always lie. What’s the point of talking with them?

  • SallyT : But, watch the first 5 mins because he interviews Richard Clarke and he was good!

  • SallyT : David Cay Johnston and Bill are out numbered.

  • AdLib : Wasn’t Ann Coulter available?

  • SallyT : And Margaret Hoover!

  • AdLib : Why??? What’s the point?

  • SallyT : He had Norquist on!!

  • AdLib : Thanks for the heads up!

  • SallyT : Bill Maher is already sucking!

  • SallyT : Okay, I think.

  • AdLib : And what’s your next song?

  • AdLib : Hey Sally! How are you this evening?

  • SallyT : Where did everyone go? Was it my singing????

  • AdLib : Or at least claim credit for the auto bailout…

  • AdLib : Don’t forget to say “hi” when you arrive!

  • AdLib : Vox Populi, our live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7 pm PST. Hope to see you then!

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  • AdLib : Night!

  • SallyT : Nite nite

  • AdLib : So (to quote Bito) I’m going to check out Maher since you give it a thumbs up tonight! Sleep well!

  • SallyT : Okay, off to your Tivo. Enjoy!

  • SallyT : You do that!

  • AdLib : Yep, I’ll let you know if I see it’s going to be on.

  • SallyT : Next time you see it, you will think of me!

  • SallyT : Me either.

  • AdLib : Haven’t seen it for a very long time.

  • SallyT : I love it!

  • AdLib : That’s a classic film!

  • SallyT : It is a take off of a song from the movie The Night They Raided Minsky’s.

  • AdLib : Aha, round the square?

  • SallyT : It is a little song we sing. See you around. If not, we’ll meet you on the corner in an half hour. Meet you on the corner in an half hour.

  • AdLib : What’s the joke?

  • SallyT : Oh, that hurts! That is an old family joke here. Ouch!

  • AdLib : Sounds like Romney geometry to me!

  • SallyT : Round=Square

  • AdLib : Heh!

  • SallyT : If not, I’ll meet you on the corner in an half hour!

  • SallyT : Right back at you! See you around.

  • AdLib : I’ll get the door. You have a wonderful night and weekend too, Sally!

  • SallyT : Well, my late night friend, shall we turn out the lights?

  • SallyT : Ain’t he tho

  • AdLib : That Bito is a clever one!

  • bito : :lol:

  • SallyT : Good night and sweet dreams. I will see you on here later for sure.

  • SallyT : Now that was a cute way of getting to that statement there, Bito.

  • AdLib : Thanks Bito, have a great night’s sleep and a great weekend!

  • bito : So it looks like it’s time for Meds nd Bed for me, see y’all later. sleep well.

  • AdLib : That’s funny, I always thought they started out with “Libtards”.

  • SallyT : I didn’t know that.

  • SallyT : So?

  • bito : So did you know that a majoity of comments on blogs start out with the word ‘so’?

  • SallyT : It would be interesting for her to do an update.

  • SallyT : Yes, a real eye opener! Really made me think about a lot of things happening now.

  • AdLib : Sally – Yes, I’ve seen it, the book is also very good. I like Naomi Klein and she really nailed it.

  • bito : Yes I have Sally, it’s a real eye opener!

  • SallyT : AdLib and Bito, I watched oh the Sundance Channel the other day this documentary Shock Doctrine. It was very interesting. It was done in 2009 by Naomi Klein. Seen it?

  • AdLib : Bito – Absolutely! Kalima has kept us ahead of the curve and the MSM on this. But the meme seems to be, austerity is smothering Europe AND people are starting to rebel.

  • SallyT : Bito, that is very true! The MSM hasn’t covered it at all!

  • bito : I have to give Kalima and her MB Huge Kudos, but I have been watching this austerity thing killing the UK and the EU for a long time, just now the MSM seems to be catching on!

  • AdLib : Bito – Mitt’s mind doesn’t store memories about his stands on issues or things he’s said so he thinks we’re all like that.

  • AdLib : Thanks for the review, Sally, always look forward to it!

  • SallyT : And, if not, we have video tapes!

  • bito : G’night Mitt and think of this while you sleep: you are aware the frontal lobe of the cerebral cortex enables us to store and recall past events, right?

  • SallyT : AdLib, here is your Bill Maher alert. Watch it. It is good tonight.

  • AdLib : Bito – Yes, I think the goal is a royalty and serf type society, modernized in appearance but pretty much that.

  • SallyT : On a school visa, I think.

  • SallyT : It does look like Hillary is getting the Chinese boy and his family out.

  • bito : Good night KT

  • bito : You are correct, Sir! He wants to institute austerity on the middle and poor classes, just like the UK and where are they now?

  • AdLib : Well, looks like it’s about that time to end tonight’s edition of Vox Populi. Thanks to all for making it another remarkable and enlightening conversation. The revelation about ALEC is big stuff! Have a great weekend Sally and Bito!

  • AdLib : Night Killgore, sleep well and consider writing that article, it would be very poignant.

  • SallyT : Goodnight KT! I know I will be seeing you soon on here!

  • AdLib : Bito – But Romney seems to want to bring about a new Great Depression, all of his economic plans are like dynamite to blow up the economy. It would be crazy if it didn’t seem so intentional.

  • KillgoreTrout : Well Planeteers, I too am fading. Stay informed and keep informed for myself and many others. Always, stay young at heart!

  • AdLib : Killgore – Mitt’s comments have further disqualified him in the eyes of the informed. It won’t affect the low info folks but that day is coming through the debates.

  • AdLib : Very cool, Cher! Looking forward to it! Have a great weekend!

  • Chernynkaya : AdLib–so true! I’m off to write that piece this weekend–hope it gets done by Monday.

  • bito : Night Cher, see ya on the twitter! ;-)

  • KillgoreTrout : Have a wonderful night cher. I guess we both have some thinking to do later on. Thank you for your kind comments.

  • SallyT : Good night, Cher!

  • AdLib : Same here Cher! And thanks for sharing the revelation about HP!

  • AdLib : Cher – The old saying is, “Write what you know.” It’s hard enough to start writing something but getting through to the end is the real challenge. Having a passion and inner connection to what you’re writing gets you through and imbues the work with something special.

  • bito : I think it was Mitt and it was over their currency. Hmmm, what happened when we had a huge trade/tariff war last Time? The great depression!

  • Chernynkaya : Folks, my eyes are burning and I still didn’t clean up after dinner, so I’ll say goodnight. Thanks for the great discussion!

  • KillgoreTrout : Romney’s “dark day for freedom,” remark just furtherd my disgust with him and those who listen to his bull shit. He didn’t even wait for the real facts to come out before jumping on Obama. How can anybody in their right mind want this misanthrope for POTUS?

  • Chernynkaya : AL, when I think of the many many sites I visit every day and never write a comment, it only makes sense.

  • AdLib : Bito – Wasn’t it Mitt who said in a debate that he would start a trade war with China? That’s how he would have gotten China to agree to letting dissidents emigrate to the US?

  • KillgoreTrout : I fully agree cher.

  • Chernynkaya : Not that I was a successful student, but I took a writing class that went on for years, and my teacher proved to us over and over how effective it is when people write from their deepest places. The most personal turns out to be the most universal. It gives me hope in humanity to know that.

  • SallyT : He doesn’t speak to me, Bito. Really, he doesn’t speak to me!

  • bito : You will have to ask Mitt, sally ;-)

  • AdLib : Cher – It’s like that throughout the web, a very small percentage of people who read at any site actually post. The percentage varies but it’s always fractional.

  • KillgoreTrout : Same goes Sally. Always.

  • SallyT : Hey, is Hillary bring the Chinese guy back with her?

  • SallyT : KT, you know I luv ya!

  • KillgoreTrout : Thank you cher, very well said.

  • AdLib : Cher – Yep, that’s where effective and powerful writing comes from. The more connected one is to their subject, the more affecting it is for the reader.

  • KillgoreTrout : LOL Sally.

  • Chernynkaya : SALLY! You rock!

  • KillgoreTrout : Bito, over 300 universities around the country went on strike in the aftermath. Not much later, two more students were shot and killed at Jackson university, If memory serves me right.

  • Chernynkaya : AL, I never really grokked that until now.

  • SallyT : KT, memories are known to bring lumps to the throat. If you didn’t have memories, you would have just a lumpy butt. :)

  • Chernynkaya : KT, when you write from your heart, it’s the only thing that opens others’ hearts.

  • AdLib : Cher – I think that’s the case. We have hugely more readers than members as it is (and we’re very pleased to have the readership we do). Some folks like reading, some like blogging.

  • bito : KT, I do remember we shut down IU for 3 days and had huge rallies.

  • Chernynkaya : I think they get intimidated–unr easonably- bito. They are the shy types, i think.

  • AdLib : KT – I think that’s part of the process, as you revisit and unwind your emotions and recollections, it could be very cathartic and potent.

  • KillgoreTrout : Thank you cher, I will definitely give it further thought. I am getting a lump in my throat, just thinking about it.

  • Chernynkaya : KT–your emotions are what will speak to us more than the facts.

  • bito : Yep, we do have a lot of readers and some I wish they would join PPOV

  • Chernynkaya : KT-PLEASE PLEASE DO.

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, I had never thought of it, but it’s a good idea. I just wonder how much my emotions might color the reality.

  • Chernynkaya : bito, more than you know. I had a couple of people I never saw here -ever-say they missed me.

  • KillgoreTrout : bito, it was good of you to repeat. I’ll never get the image of the 14 year old girl standing near jeff millers body with arms outstretched cry why?

  • AdLib : KT – Remarkable. Have you thought about recounting your experience? I think many in OWS would really appreciate it.

  • bito : Cher it is cool when you get tweets like that, eh?

  • bito : KT, I cheated, someone on twitter said it and I immediately thought of that song. I still get “something in my eyes” whenever I hear that song.

  • KillgoreTrout : cl, I was there the day after the shootings. Showing solidairty with the peace movement and even the SDS.

  • AdLib : Bito, I second KT’s thanks, Kent State is very poignant today, especially after what we’ve seen with police and college students in OWS.

  • KillgoreTrout : Thanks for thinking about Kent State Sally. It should never be forgotten.

  • AdLib : Cher – That’s very cool to hear!

  • Chernynkaya : BTW, about Twitter, I got messages from a few who also told me they like PPOV too!

  • bito : Night CL, sleep well (if you can)

  • KillgoreTrout : bito, I once again want to thank you for commenting on Kent State today. Someone has to keep the memory alive.

  • SallyT : That is great Bito!

  • choicelady : Sally – I used to know one of the survivors who’d been shot. I never forget that, ever. Scary times then. Scary times now. ‘Night all!

  • AdLib : Very cool, Bito. I see him on our Twitter often, great stuff!

  • KillgoreTrout : Golden slumbers CL.

  • Chernynkaya : He’s a follower of mine to, bito–great guy!

  • choicelady : Oh bito – that’s just GREAT! I’m toddling off to dreamland, but I’m so glad to see you back to say “hi-bye”!

  • SallyT : CL, good night and remember, Kent State was a peaceful movement, too. You are right in all your worries.

  • Chernynkaya : Oh, I’m sorry to hear that CL. Feel better and lie down. Sleep well.

  • bito : sorry for the interruption but here is a tweet we can all be proud of Rich Baska ‏ @BlueTrooth Here’s a really cool website to check out…good liberal community there too «link» #p2 #tlot @PlanetPOV The link is to PPOV, I thought it nice. (he has 2000 followers) Now pat yourselves on the back.

  • AdLib : Night CL, rest that back and have a wonderful weekend!

  • choicelady : Ok everyone – the back is giving twinges and telling me it’s been too long at the computer. Not for this evening, but after a full day at work, too. So I bid you all a great evening and weekend, and wish you a sound rest. See you soon on the Planet. Good night!

  • KillgoreTrout : They don’t Ad, because they always blame others for their problems.

  • Chernynkaya : CL, he’s alienated Latinos, blacks, gays, women and SHOULD have alienated all workers. But he doesn’t seem to care, or try to pivot. I think he maybe can’t–the Right won’t let him–GOOD!

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, I wonder if some of them don’t even have any political affiliation, and just want to work for the highest bidder.

  • choicelady : AdLib – wow. “May the circle, be unbroken…” As the ends come together, what is going to happen and who’s going to be the Last Man Standing?

  • AdLib : KT – I really wish that such POSs would just shoot themselves first.

  • AdLib : CL – Corruption happens, right? And a Leftie movement about challenging authority is a prime target for authority hating RWs.

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, remember the etch-a-sketch.

  • Chernynkaya : I hope he rots in hell too!

  • choicelady : All – as this nation moves toward being a “majority minority” nation (hence the uptick in white supremacy) how can someone like Romney have NO people of color present anywhere in his campaign staff or audiences? I know we’re still majority white as a nation, but does he REALLY think communities of color don’t vote? However much he wishes they wouldn’t?

  • Chernynkaya : I’ve yet to see him pivot to the center. It seems to me as if he thinks the RW is more important to win the election than Indies.

  • KillgoreTrout : I watched a video with JT Ready in it, and the guy just looked like some sort of whacked out para military racist. Not to mention the things he was saying. The world is a better place without him. Too bad he took so many others with him, especially a small child. I hope he rots in hell.

  • choicelady : Cher – Mormons in general have come a very long way in confronting their institutional racism. Romney does not seem to me to have made that journey.

  • AdLib : Cher – Yep, In order to appeal to the RW, Romney had to surround himself with the RW operatives…whi ch not coincidentally are racist.

  • choicelady : AdLib – yup. But how bizarre that what was once an expression of idealistic liberation from corporatism has become so much a hyper individualism that reflects the right wing ideal of self gratification at the expense of absolutely everyone else. Yikes.

  • Chernynkaya : Right, AdLib, he would.

  • AdLib : Cher – I agree but if it became a problem, Romney would just cut Kobach loose like he was gay.

  • Chernynkaya : However, when you think about it, Romney has a lot of racist endorsers.

  • AdLib : CL – Anarchy isn’t what it used to be. Like everything else, it’s been simplified and narrowed into just being against everyone and everything, just a vehicle for saying, “I’m mad at the way life is!” The grown up tantrum.

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, it makes one really wonder just what sort of “advice,” this guy is giving Romney.

  • Chernynkaya : But of course, that’s just me.

  • choicelady : Khirad – where are you working this very late hour? Hi and bye to you, too!

  • Chernynkaya : Well, the connection I’M making is Kris Kobach, Romney’s adviser. He and Pierce enacted SB 170 together. And Kobach was part of SPLC anti-immigrant hate group, The Tanton grp. So I’m calling it a Romney connection.

  • KillgoreTrout : It can’t be true anarchism if an established organization if funding it.

  • choicelady : Cher – NO! I did NOT see that! That’s mind blowing!

  • AdLib : Cher – I don’t think it has legs for Romney but for Pearce and the GOP in AZ, I think it will continue to be damaging.

  • choicelady : ADLib – I have a certain intellectual interest in social anarchism, meaning local control, community driven change. But one can’t even TALK about it anymore because of these idiots. Anarchy is not the same, and it has become not even linked with Bakunin et al. but with “I HATE EVERYONE” and sheer gut level violence. The issues of autonomy and local self direction are just GONE. And I know they don’t care because fundamentally this type of anarchism is the absolute expression of – surprise – RW utterly self centered narcissism and nihilism. It’s not even political. It’s just egomania write large. And that’s as perniciously RW as it gets. That’s why the Paulists and the anarchists fit so well together. There’s gonna have to be some criticism/self-c riticism by the larger group to weed that hyper individualism OUT.

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, there’s a tie with Romney? Holy crap, that could be very damaging for Romney. I hope it gets lot’s of press.

  • AdLib : Take care Khirad!

  • Chernynkaya : Hi and bye, Khirad!

  • Chernynkaya : AL, think it has legs?

  • AdLib : Hey Khirad! Great to see you on Vox!

  • AdLib : Cher – I saw part of it, Romney is on record praising the AZ “approach” that this murderer and his sponsor into Mormonism, Pearce, perpetrated. And it was amusing to see Pearce claim he didn’t know the killer.

  • Khirad : Didn’t know about the Mittens connection, but yes when I saw the name JT Ready I knew who that was and his friends in Arizona. In any case, hi and bye, off to work for me.

  • KillgoreTrout : Take care Murph.

  • Chernynkaya : Sally, I think it’s potentially dynamite.

  • KillgoreTrout : Great point CL. They sure do have the latest military hardware

  • SallyT : I did, Cher.

  • Chernynkaya : Did anyone catch the Maddow show where she almost connected the dots between Kris Kobach, Russell Pierce, that neo Nazi murderer JT Ready and ultimately, Romney. Anyway, I just did.

  • SallyT : CL, and the media will only jump on the negative ones not the peaceful ones.

  • AdLib : CL – It’s like catching a parasite, there’s no way to remove these anarchists from the host body.

  • choicelady : Murph – good night and sweet dreams! GREAT talking with you!

  • choicelady : Cher – a very good friend has been active in OWS-Oakland and just HATES the anarchists who’ve infiltrated. Again – be interesting to know who they REALLY are because they have NO responsiveness to the community at all. It’s made Oakland a very difficult place to be for OWS people who want to be non-violent.

  • AdLib : Night Murph, have a great weekend!

  • Chernynkaya : Take care Murph!

  • Chernynkaya : Wow, CL, you just said a mouthful–so true.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : ALL…time for me to roll up the rug and head off. I look forward to seeing Cher’s ALEC article. Best to all.

  • AdLib : CL – I remember your telling me about that, very enlightening and instructive, indeed. Any gathering that has any impact should take for granted that they will be infiltrated by police or the opposition and NEVER allow anyone to hijack the group with “great” ideas.

  • choicelady : KT – I think the “federalization ” of local PDs after 9/11 has done terrible things to local police. Not all of them, but too many see themselves as paramilitary and quasi feds. Bush has a CIA – CI fucking A – agent IN the NYPD until Obama learned about it and had him yanked. So I don’t worry overmuch about the actual feds. I worry a LOT about how the “homeland defense” mind set has destroyed local control and local police relationships with their own citizens.

  • SallyT : And, some of the nutty ones in the OWS are those for Ron Paul, don’t forget.

  • Chernynkaya : CL–great story! And KT–I do suspect infiltrators to a degree. But watching Oakland in May day, it was anarchy. and I think the kids wanted it that way.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…very interesting re. the RW plants.

  • KillgoreTrout : That should read COINTELPRO.

  • choicelady : AdLib – during the “Spring of Life” in ’92, the Operation Rescue siege of Buffalo women’s clinics, a group billing itself as NWROC, the Nat’l Women’s Rights Organizing Committee, came and refused to be non-violent. Long story short – they were remarkably affluent, and we pegged them immediately as RW infiltrators. They had a group of kids, marginal folks all, and WE brought them over to our side because we fed them, made them laugh, and took care of them when one time they got maced by the RW. By the end of the three weeks, they were all on our side. Turns out we were right – they WERE provocateurs, and an OR kid fessed up he was an inside plant. Some of the older women were, I suspect, cops or fed infiltrators. Never trust the extremists shoving you to be extreme. NEVER trust them!

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, sorry to hear that.

  • SallyT : Exactly AdLib!

  • AdLib : KT – The New Black Panthers is a group of less than a dozen nutjobs, it’s not a real group, it’s a total fraud by media hungry idiots.

  • Chernynkaya : Sally, it sure is, if indirectly.

  • KillgoreTrout : Well, I certainly remember the joint FBI and CIa program called COINPROINTEL. But now I don’t think it’s a government program, but more of one orchestrated by rich Wall St. traders.

  • Chernynkaya : KT, the new BP’s are a different animal, pardon the pun. They are assholes, and have tried to intimidate voters at a couple of polls.

  • SallyT : Making them have to pay for any of this extra stuff is a poll tax no matter how you look at it.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…yes, I had bad info. Apparently there was legislation to cover the cost and it failed in our GOP controlled legislature…so the cost is $11.

  • Chernynkaya : $11 for ID may not be too much IF it matters. But voting matters to so few as it is, any sacrifice, however small, seems not worth it. Seriously, to far too many, politics is off their radar.

  • choicelady : AdLib – that’s a great analogy about the rocket.

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, I don’t know much about the “new,” Panthers, but the group in the 60s did a lot of good in their communities, with food pantries and much needed medical service. They started carrying guns, when their numbers were being killed by the white police departments.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT…OWS has been infiltrated but mostly from the nutty anarchic Left….the Right saved the money on this one.

  • choicelady : Murph – somewhere along the line ID costs money. The BC for sure, and then whatever the state may or may not charge for PHOTO ID. That is an essential component the RW says. At any rate – if we know people who don’t have it, we need to help them GET it. Even if we have to PAY for it.

  • AdLib : KT – It’s not even a question, the RW has openly discussed how it has been infiltrating OWS. It’s a done deal.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally T…no I was wrong re. the nondriver ID cards. $11. I got bad info. $11 may not seem like much but for some….

  • SallyT : KT, that is what they are saying here in Portland. That these are people sent in to make them look bad.

  • choicelady : Cher – I bookmarked your link, thank you. AdLib – I agree that he deserves no pity because he did incredible harm. I’m just shocked! And anyone who lives on an acre and a half is NOT homeless. Too damned bad. He brought it on himself. He was a major influence on me with Ramparts – his photos of children napalmed were horrific. His expose of the mysteries surrounding JFK’s assassination were important revelations. So he’s telling us what – he LIED about all that then? If it was all true – why is it not true NOW. That’s the idiocy of all this. You were either lying then (he wasn’t) or you’re lying NOW (he is.) Can’t have it both ways. Mittens – take note?

  • AdLib : What makes OWS the magnet it is for young people, the openness and the lack of authority figures, is indeed its weakness as well. It’s like having a two stage rocket where the first stage is amazing and gets the rocket off the ground but the second stage is too weak to push it into orbit.

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, I truly think OWS has been infiltrated, to an extent, by paid provacatuers. People paid to be trouble makers in order to make OWS look bad in the press. I know that last year, OWS was denouncing violent protest. I don’t see their minds changing in the duration of a winter.

  • SallyT : Murph, you probably are right on a State ID. I was talking about a copy of your birth certificate.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally- As I understand it, if you walk into a licensing office, it is free. Let me check on this.

  • Chernynkaya : Murph, I sadly have to agree with you an Occupy. I wanted to go to the march in L.A. and saw who else would be marching. Saw The New Black Panthers and stayed home.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…yes. When you compare Horowitz or Breitbart to those with lives made worse by them…I am with you.

  • Chernynkaya : I bet he’s writing a manifesto in teeny tiny meticulous hand on the walls now.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : ALL- a little update on the OCCUPY MOVEMENT….did you all enjoy the Mayday General Strike this week? Ok in some places, ridiculous in many others. The group that had so much promise has failed to coalesce. I and my group of Veteran Activists were asked to lend some expertise….lik e last time…given and then ignored entirely. How many times will these folks bite the hands that reach out to them. Obama and the Dems were smart to keep their distance.

  • Chernynkaya : CL, quoting Horowitz: ““I’ve been ghettoized,” he said. “My wings have been clipped.” Just a decade ago, a National Review editor labeled Horowitz “the Most Valuable Player of the Right.” Now, sequestered on an acre and a half of land with his wife and six dogs—five of them Chihuahuas—the 73-year-old ex-Communist firebrand juggles writing projects while keeping his distance from all manner of political distraction. “I don’t read any magazines. I hardly even read FrontPage,” he told me, though he is listed on the online right-wing journal’s masthead as editor-in-chief. “I don’t read the L.A. Times or the New York Times. I despise the Times.” «link»

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, especially when it comes to human rights and civil restrictions of those rights.

  • SallyT : A copy of your BC isn’t free in MO, Murph. I had to pay like $20 to get a copy and have it sent to me in OR to get my SS.

  • AdLib : Murph – I don’t wish bad things upon anyone (though it wouldn’t break my heart for Scalia and Thomas to be abducted by UFOs) but I also don’t feel sorry for the plights of those who have made the lives of others very hard. In that sense, I don’t care about the situations Horowitz or Breitbart found themselves in, I care about the innocent people they’ve harmed.

  • SallyT : You don’t have to be born in the US to vote, so you can have a foreign BC. You do have to be a US Citizen to vote, tho.

  • choicelady : Cher! I just caught up with the Horowitz story! Are you SERIOUS??? He’s the one who sent students into classrooms to ferret out “liberal bias”. I told my friends who are also 60s people teaching history etc. to keep his books to hand and USE them in their classes – is he supposed to say HE lied when he wrote “The Rockefellers” etc.? I can’t believe he’s down and out – he was the RW darling!!! What happened?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…will read the article…thanks

  • Chernynkaya : KT, me neither.

  • KillgoreTrout : I think that if someone doesn’t have a birth certificate, then there should be people who can forge such a document successfully. I don’t consider it a crime to overcome an injust law.

  • Chernynkaya : CL–to say nothing of the sometimes insurmountable obstacle of having to get to the Hall of Records.

  • AdLib : Murph – It can be disconcerting when you’re drowned in $13 million in Koch Bros. propaganda and you see Walker still competitive in polls…but patience is everything. After the recall elections last year, it seems clear that there is powerful motivation by indies and Dems in WI to throw Walker out and only hard core Repubs behind Walker. It sure seems to me that anti-Walker voters will be far more motivated to get to the light at the end of the tunnel and the polls so far seem well positioned for that to happen.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally T….here in Mo. they are free BUT many who need them will not realize it until it is too late…the lowest info voters are the poorest voters…AND you are required to prove that you were born in the U.S. (birth certificate or passport) AND are a resident here (voting registration card plus utilities bill). These can be hard to come by for the poor.

  • choicelady : Sally – if you need a birth certificate, it’s about $10 then another $10 for an ID card, maybe more. For those living hand to mouth, it’s a LOT, but it’s not too much for us to help one person get registered.

  • Chernynkaya : Murph this is all I know about Horowitz: «link»

  • KillgoreTrout : Sally, on average, about 8 bucks. Not much more than a Starbucks latte. The trouble is usually a lack of a valid birth certificate.

  • choicelady : KT – you live in civilization. You have need of a bank account. You fly. The disenfrancised do none of that. Think of all the people who are paid only cash, live on small holds with their own food and trade in cash, who never GO anywhere save on foot or by vehicles bought for cash (beaters) – a lot of folks live in a cash economy and have NO need for ID. It’s shocking to us, but it’s a way of life for many, many people.

  • SallyT : How much does a state issued ID cost?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher- Horowitz homeless….how? Did not care for him on the Left or Right but do not wish that on anyone.

  • Chernynkaya : Me neither, AL–fuck em.

  • Chernynkaya : Al, I agree with that about Walker. He’s toast, especially now that that woman–forget her name–is no longer in Waukesha Cty.

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, I wouldn’t wish homelessness on anybody, but it does sound like a fitting end in this case.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…read you on Wi. and believe you are correct, still I will worry (and some of the organizers up there are worried too because the wind seems to have gone from their sales). I think the primary turnout will say a lot about this.

  • AdLib : Cher – I don’t feel sorry for Horowitz any more than I did for Breitbart. Couldn’t happen to a worse person.

  • Chernynkaya : Bingo, Sally. The Politics of Projection.

  • AdLib : Murph – There are low info voters everywhere, many of whom always vote the GOP because that party is crafted for the low info people. When it comes to GOTV in WI, remember, they got 1 million signatures to have the recall, the momentum is with those recalling Walker and once he’s head to head with Barrett, indies will see the contrast and I think they’ll want change from the disaster that Walker has been. I mean, even voting in a recall makes it clear that something’s wrong with Walker as Gov, it’s never happened before in their lifetime.

  • SallyT : Cher, I think the Right does a lot of that fraud just so they can say, “See there is fraud” even tho they are the ones.

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, I do need to have a state issued ID. Without it, I can’t open a bank account and wouldn’t be able to cash checks. I wouldn’t even be able to get a flight without one. It IS possible to get along without one, but it’s a real hassel.

  • Chernynkaya : Sorry for all the typos in that last comment.

  • Chernynkaya : AL, you are right–ti’s not a real threat. But look who’s taking fraud! Those are exactly the kinds of registration frauds the Right complains about.

  • Chernynkaya : I did. I wished the Right was dead. Not quite the same–and evil schadenfreude by me–but anyone remember David Horowitz? he was a 60′s radical Lefty who became a rabid Rightie. anyway, he;s now homeless.

  • KillgoreTrout : I can understand that. I’ve had my wallet stolen before, and if it wasn’t for my birth certificate, I would never have been issued a license or state ID. I really hope there arn’t too many people in such a situation. I know that Veteran’s ID is not accepted, and that pisses me off. It’s a federally issued picture ID.

  • AdLib : Cher – That kind of voter fraud is often more about the workers making out fraudulent registrations so they can get paid more without doing the work. Registrations like those couldn’t be used to vote, phony addresses and names, they’d never get ballots mailed to them or have precincts to vote.

  • choicelady : Done! Hope you did, too!

  • Chernynkaya : Sally, there you go–just what I mean.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL I agree re. sourcewatch. I got an e mail from a very trust ALEC critique and she confirmed the sourcewatch list and says more is coming. Much more.

  • Chernynkaya : CL-JINX! make a wish!

  • SallyT : Cher, that 93 year old lady said she didn’t have a birth certificate.

  • Chernynkaya : CL–yes, voter fraud. Where’s the media on that?

  • choicelady : KT – you live in rural America, you do NOT need ID. YOu live in an inner city, you might not either if you’re not on social services. But the real dislocation is predominantly rural, poor, Black or Latino. They don’t really need them. Everyone knows everyone else. NOW all of a sudden, they need to prove who they are. And with birth certificates they often never had since it was a home birth (though why that’s true eludes me.) My father had no birth certificate – born at home – but was a Lt. in the Coast Guard during WW II. Now how’d he pull that off AND got a passport AND all his other benefits. Beats me.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…again hope you are correct. Barret is a fine mayor (in a very difficult city) and would be an extraordinary governor. It is the power of money that has me as pessimistic as I am. I live in a very low info world in Mo. and know how stupid folks can be. A new window sticker showing up around here reads: “I’ll keep my freedom, my money and my guns…you keep your change.”

  • Chernynkaya : KT, I’m thinking about all the folks in the South–poor whites and minorities– who probably don’t even have a birth certificate. People like me have little idea how those people live.

  • AdLib : Murph – Sourcewatch is a legit site. As long as their info didn’t come from ThinkProgress, that’s two independent sources and I’d say it’s solid for Cher to run with.

  • Chernynkaya : No prob, Murph. I realized you were gone for a bit.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL and Cher…thanks missed that link…this one knocked my socks off.

  • choicelady : Cher – so what you’re saying is that the GOP is committing voter fraud. Hmmm. Interesting. We can build on this.

  • Chernynkaya : Murph, while you were away I linked to that, thanks!

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, that’s really what needs to be done. People should have at least a state ID card. I honestly don’t see how they function without that or a driver’s license. It’s almost a necessity of daily life.

  • AdLib : Murph – It is part of the dynamics of elections that the winner of a primary increases their lead in polls once a primary is decided. Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett is well ahead of Kathleen Falk and is already in a statistical tie with Walker. I would bet very comfortably on his taking the lead for good once he wins the primary.

  • Chernynkaya : No need, CL–I’d just forget to check my email!

  • choicelady : Murph – that’s the one I linked everyone to before you got on. It’s amazing. Scary but amazing.

  • Chernynkaya : CL–absolutely! See this? “GOP Voter Registration Firm Turns in Thousands of ‘Invalid’ Registration Forms in California” «link»

  • choicelady : Cher – should I send you an email to remind yourself to remind me? Ohhhhhhhh….uhh hhh.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher and AL…just got this from SourceWatch…a much larger list…much larger «link»

  • choicelady : On voter supression – I am tweeting and writing everywhere that we have to find seniors and students in those states, drive them to get their ID and PAY for it if need be. If everyone adopted ONE person and did this, they could not stop it. Then drive them to the polls or get absentee ballots for them. We CAN do this.

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, exactly, I’d forgotten about them. The GOP’s panic is very evident to anybody who pays attention.

  • Chernynkaya : CL–I just had to write myself a note to remind myself to remind you!

  • Chernynkaya : CL–awesome! Thanks.

  • Chernynkaya : KT–and also seniors who are impacted by voter ID laws and changes in early voting. And students.

  • AdLib : Cher and Murph – Always good journalism to confirm through two independent and reliable sources. ThinkProgress has proven very reliable in the past, I am inclined to believe their report but if we could find another independent confirmation, that would clinch it IMO.

  • choicelady : Cher – that’s “both AdLib and I know HER…” I need a keeper.

  • Chernynkaya : Sure, I’d appreciate that, Murph.

  • choicelady : Cher – I’ll connect you next week with Common Cause in CA. You can ask the ED of CA directly if she has a list. Both AdLib and I know here, and I’ll smooth the way for you. Just send me an email will you to remind me? Mind’s like a steel sieve, and memory like water. Sigh.

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, the numerous voter suppression attempts ARE quite telling of how desperate the gOP really is. They know they have alienated the majority of minorities.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…if I get anything really solid, I am willing to pass it on to you via AdLib…ok

  • Chernynkaya : Murph, I will be sure to verify before I write anything.

  • AdLib : Sally – All elections have different dynamics. Even the Repubs won’t use the name of Bush now, the public doesn’t want a moron again, even if that’s the ideal Repub President to Nordquist.

  • KillgoreTrout : Sally, I think Congress will remain broken until they get rid of that stupid 60 vote rule. That is NOT democracy as it was intended.

  • Chernynkaya : The Repubs know that the public hates them and their policies–that’ s self-evident to me. If they really believed voters liked them and approved of their policies, they wouldn’t need to lie and suppress the vote.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…I have gotten my first responses from my e mail alert re. ALEC….the list seems to have holes (those on it who cannot be verified as members and those not on it who are verified – some of whom have publicly resigned). So…as with all lists like this….all might not be as it seems.

  • choicelady : Murph – AdLib has his finger on the pulse more than I. I can handle only CA NON-partisan issues these days, so I don’t pay the kind of attention he does. I do worry, but I’m also heartened by what AdLib knows and tracks.

  • SallyT : I think the Dems should spend a lot on telling how many things the Repugs kept from getting passed that kept things from getting even better than they have.

  • choicelady : Cher – I read smaller city papers online, the Youngstown Vindicator, etc., and I find a fairly good range of info that we don’t get on TV and in major papers. Good LTEs, etc. The Vindy sucks editorially, but the news is good, the Opinion pages and e-letters are diverse (I add my own bit now and then) and I think we’ve overlooked how much those papers actually carry. Can’t tell about TV since I can’t see it, but anyone can write in these smaller papers. Omaha World Herald, DesMoines Register, and on and on. WE can have our voices all over the map – and that’s what a lot of people pay attention to. Liberals have started engaging more with the Sacramento Bee because it was left to the ultra right, and I get my licks in regularly – and find more and more people agreeing with me! It’s also good fun to use those e-letters as educational tools.

  • AdLib : Cher – The low info voters watch the debates and not too much else. I think the debates will bury Romney. Not because he won’t be prepared but because all he has is lies that Obama will be able to expose in real time, in front of millions of voters.

  • SallyT : KT, that was it, a broken Congress.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…hope your take on WI is more cherry than CL’s

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, I can see that. They made the 2010 midterms all about Obama, when it was really about a broken Congress.

  • SallyT : AdLib, like KT said, they got W…..

  • AdLib : CL – When the Dem primary is over in WI, I think we’ll see the candidate (forget his name) get support sweeping bigger and stronger behind him.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…Wi. insights….that is why I am worried.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…Norquist was far more insulting than that..he said all they need is a candidate with two digits to hold a pen…the Congress will sent the legislation for him to sign. Gross and Arrogant.

  • AdLib : Sally – Yes and that was a devastating thing for him to say, I love it. However, having a mindless robot as Pres to sign RW bills is only the fantasy of the far right. Indies want a human being as President and Romney is unqualified.

  • KillgoreTrout : Sally, that would not surprise me in the least. The GOP really doesn’t want a smart, principled man in the white house. They want a slightly dull witted puppet so they can control his strings. Just like W.

  • Chernynkaya : AL re; Low infos. How will they know Mitt is lying when the media don’t tell them? Thanks god for Steve Benen at Maddow blog and Greg Sargent at WaPo–bloggers! Few read them, but Benen writes every Friday of Mitt’s lies of the week. this week there were 18 LIES, but who knows about them?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT- trying to organize those unhappy stay at home Dems now and I am amazed how many do not understand that legislative action is what is at fault now….thus, they still blame Obama.

  • choicelady : Murph – the big problem in WI is what we ALWAYS do – there are TWO Dems competing, and no one will pull out. It’s made focused work on the recall fall off. It’s not low information voters, it’s US. Unions want their person, and the leader is someone they COULD work with but who is not immediately their BFF. They need to get it together, get focused on the RECALL and grow up. No unicorns to be had here, only getting rid of Walker. I have to say I am on the pragmatic side of go with the leader and focus on the RECALL, not the next one who IS a million times better than Walker. Don’t BLOW IT.

  • SallyT : But, AdLib, didn’t Norquist or how ever you spell his name say that all they need is someone that can sign their name to be President because they (his Repugs) will be calling the shots?

  • AdLib : Murph – The polling in WI shows Walker sinking in the polls. And once the Dem candidate wins his primary, his numbers will rise. I think Walker is cooked, he’s tied in the polls now to someone who isn’t even head to head with him yet, that’s a great sign…after Walker spent $13 million in Koch and other billionaire money in WI.

  • KillgoreTrout : I am hoping those dems who stayed home in 2010 have realized their colossal mistake by now.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL- the explanation was the result of an hour cobbling together a set of ideas I have played with for a long time. Will the “independents” focus on the issue of Mitt, the plastic man, sufficiently to reject him? I do not know.

  • Chernynkaya : CL, I agree with this guy. when you get a chance to read: How the President Can Reconcile Anger With Hopefulness «link»

  • KillgoreTrout : Sally, supposedly the Russians have a piece of Hitler’s skull, locked up in some sort of forensic archive.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…polling in Wi for the recall is neck and neck and in Wi. the recalls for the Senate seats fell one seat short. I am worried there are too many who vote without thinking.

  • choicelady : Sally – CRACK UP!!! That’s so disgusting it’s hilarious! Yes, indeed – Hitler – the Tan Man. Yikes – he’d make racists flinch!

  • AdLib : Murph – Excellent explanation! I would still propose though that the monkey wrench here is establishing Romney as a liar and a phony. No matter how people may be soured on Obama, they still won’t see Romney as fit for the Presidency. Maybe it reduces turnout but not enough.

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, LOL! good point. I think they probably didn’t have too many wits to begin with.

  • choicelady : Murph – Rove and Kochs and Citizens United were ALL defeated in WI and OH. To date that huge amount of cash has generated not a single win. Zip, zilch, nada.

  • SallyT : CL, Hitler’s body was burned. He would look like that Tanning Bed Mom.

  • AdLib : Cher – But even low info voters will see Romney as a liar in debates. I don’t see how he becomes an alternative for even them if he’s seen as a fraud.

  • Chernynkaya : KT because after the financial collapse people got even stupider–always happens when people get scared out of their wits–hence, that expression.

  • KillgoreTrout : Cl, I agree. It’s just scary to contemplate such crazies.

  • choicelady : Cher – yes, govs have to balance budgets but DO have better choices. And Obama needs to drive home the job loss of ordinary public workers – firefighters, police, nurses, teachers – because those ordinary people can relate to BIG time.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…hope you are correct but Rove never believed McCain could win…he was sacrificed to a change wave that everyone saw coming…and that was pre-Citizens United and the mega million and billionaires who have set to buy the WH, the Senate and the House (along with State Govs.)

  • AdLib : CL – It’s not surprising that the racists and Baggers that make up the core of the GOP are grasping for anything except reality because the facts aren’t on their side. I agree that indies just aren’t going to be moved by such obvious BS.

  • KillgoreTrout : When Romney lost to bush in 08, how can anybody think he is worthy now?

  • choicelady : KT – there are always nut jobs, wingnuts, and goobers. Thank heaven they are very few in number. Some think Hitler should be unburied and brought back (forgetting no one knows WHERE he was buried if at all). Can’t deal with that. It’s totally fringe. Don’t worry about it.

  • Chernynkaya : CL, the repub governors and yes, even Dems, have repressed economic recovery by firing so many public workers. But governors have little choice in some cases if they by law have to balance their budgets, no? But too many used the financial collapse as an excuse to wholesale slaughter public sector. The fact remains that slashing jobs in a recession is murder to the recovery.

  • choicelady : Murph – I really agree but know that Obama’s ads are designed to be very effective, too, and aimed at the indies of low awareness. I think the Rove Machine has once again met its match in Obama’s messaging capabilities. They ran over Rove on McCain time and time again.

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, there are people out there that think Nugent would be a good president. Really! How scary is that?

  • SallyT : AdLib, they just want to make sure their dummies know that Obama is worst than Romney, even if he is a liar.

  • choicelady : Cher – I sure hope Obama DOES say that! The governors including OURS in CA have a lot to answer for. Brown’s no help here either. I blame MRS. Brown who is very business friendly and seems to call the shots for the guv.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…Money drives the following….The Propaganda of Validation provides those who lean in a certain direction for reasons that are generally regarded as unacceptable (at least in public) to embrace other reasons that are acceptable. For example, if you dislike Barack Obama for reasons that are innate to the man (such as his race), it is easy to explain yourself publicly if someone presents you with other reasons to disdain him: he wasn’t born here; he is a marxist; he is an atheist; he is……fill in the blank. Such propaganda serves to support your world view and your belief system in an acceptable form. It validates your view. And then there is the Propaganda of Persuasion…the subtle, water dripping, doubt planting, fact confusing, discussion diverting form of propaganda that focuses on those on the margins of political discourse. These people are often referred to as “independents,” but many are actually better described as “disengaged but still likely to vote.” They are moved by hard-hitting ads, with easy to swallow talking points delivered in a tsunami. That is where the big money comes in…burying the independent in ads.

  • AdLib : Sally – But no matter how much you diss Obama, when you turn away and look at Romney, if you see a liar and fraud, how do you choose him over the incumbant President who is at least honest?

  • Chernynkaya : AL, I do think that for some very low-info voters it’ll work. It will be about the economy. It’s easier to just say, “where are the jobs, Obama?” than for Obama to say, “Glad you asked! You guys fired over 600,000 public employees and now blame me??”

  • choicelady : AdLib – NO – I think all the swiftboating ads and RMoney ads will change very little. People really do know who Obama is. Heard one guy on NPR’s business program that always sucks saying that nothing good is happening anywhere, but someone point out to him that it’s not true. The folks in Steubenville were interviewed as putting all their focus on Obama’s race because unlike the rest of Ohio, nothing much is going on there for them. And their racism is trumping knowing others are improving. So some will believe the carp/crap but most will NOT.

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, there’s not that much money in the world. Mitt never learns. It’s always one lie after the next with him. I really think he doesn’t have much comprehension od reality. Seriously.

  • SallyT : I think the Super Pac money won’t be spent on selling Romney just in putting Obama down and out.

  • Chernynkaya : That’s just like AB and bito-to deny the obvious!

  • AdLib : Is the cake pretty well baked for Romney? How can anyone listen to anything he says and believe it?

  • choicelady : Cher – yeah, carp/crap – she left along with bito. She CLAIMS they’re running off together. We’ll see…

  • AdLib : Does anyone here think that any amount of SuperPAC or Romney money can change people’s view of him as a liar and fraud?

  • Chernynkaya : Carp/crap–AB too?!

  • KillgoreTrout : Have a Funkadelic weekend!

  • choicelady : funk – good night and good luck. You’re both in our hearts!

  • Chernynkaya : HAHAHAH Crap and carp!

  • AdLib : Sorry Funk, take care and have a great weekend!

  • choicelady : AdLib – I don’t think he’d overload. It’s a way of life with him. What would do him in is having to stand still and TELL THE TRUTH about what he believes. IF he believes ANYTHING.

  • Chernynkaya : Carp. I missed funk too.

  • choicelady : AB – sweet dreams indeed, and please tell bito to come home? We just got started.

  • KillgoreTrout : I’d like to see a debate between Romney and Romney 4 years ago!

  • funksands : Sheesh, sorry to post and run, but my son is not cooperating. :-(

  • Chernynkaya : Crap. I missed bito.

  • AdLib : CL – Or maybe he’d just overload and explode?

  • choicelady : AB – are you LEAVING? And without the cookie recipe? Maybe it’s for the best?

  • AlphaBitch : Me and Bits are running off together. Take care team.

  • choicelady : ADLib – a three-way would test Mitt/Willard/Rom ney – he’s so stiff he moves all of a piece, and he’d start looking like a Kewpie doll in a shooting gallery. Well, now I think on it, it’s not much different from what he already looks like.

  • AdLib : Night AB!

  • KillgoreTrout : Sweet dreams AB.

  • AdLib : Come back Bito!!!

  • AdLib : AB – I will get you a great photo of Mitt…you could always use the one I made with him having a Pinocchio nose…

  • bito : I may be back my computer is doing it’s thing-+-crashing ! Hello all

  • choicelady : KT – it’s a GOOD slogan though!

  • choicelady : KT – fine for everywhere anyone knows what mittens are. Won’t play beneath the Mason Dixon line.

  • AlphaBitch : KT: Whew. I was losing faith.

  • AlphaBitch : So it’s getting late and you all know what a wuss I am for late nights. To recap: Cher will do an expose on the media and ALEC, AL will find me a “good” photo of Mittens, and I’ll order up some bumper stickers.

  • AdLib : Bito – Or how about a three person debate between Willard, Mitt and Romney?

  • KillgoreTrout : I screwed up my bumper sticker. Obama 2012 When the Mittens just don’t fit.

  • choicelady : Hi bito, sweetheart – how ARE you? Willard debating Mitt? He could pull it off. Trust me on this.

  • AdLib : Hey Bito!!!

  • bito : A story to frighten even the brave: Close your eyes and imagine Willard debating Mitt. :lol:

  • KillgoreTrout : How about Obama 2012

  • funksands : Here is Alec’s latest white paper: 81 pages of how the EPA is destroying America «link»

  • KillgoreTrout : How about Obama 2012

  • choicelady : Cher leads the most interesting life. Now her neighbor’s dog is in her house. Never a dull moment.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: See what happened to Cher? Cookies and dogs.

  • choicelady : AB (whistling) WHAT cookie?

  • Chernynkaya : Wow, the neighbor’s dog just came in thru the door–BRB.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: It would be my pleasure to send you a bunch to distribute as you see fit. Let’s get a “good” photo of Mittens.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Was that the cookie that Funk brought?

  • AdLib : AB – Sure, and members could help pay for them by buying them to share.

  • funksands : Wait. Is that a felony?

  • choicelady : AB – someone mentions food, and here’s Newt.

  • Chernynkaya : This list is from the site ALEC EXposed «link»

  • AlphaBitch : Why Betsy, do tell!

  • funksands : I’m just sitting her stitching up this old American flag I found.

  • choicelady : funk – there you go. Goooood boy.

  • SallyT : I meant to say, “Mitt is backing up again.”

  • AlphaBitch : Newt: GET OFF this site!

  • SallyT : AdLib, I think a good bumper sticker for Mitt would be, “If you here this car beeping, Mitt has backed up again.”

  • funksands : What cookies?

  • choicelady : funk – we won’t ask about the cookies. This is crawled by Google and who KNOWS who’s watching?

  • AlphaBitch : So should I have them made up and distributed throughout the Planet?

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, that does make sense. It took quite a while for money to permeate almost everything in our culture. It’s logical to think that pendulum is starting to swing back to the side of sanity.

  • AdLib : I’m with AB! I like Cher’s as well.

  • funksands : I good.

  • choicelady : AB – oh, that’s great, too!

  • funksands : Greetings CL

  • funksands : Hi Ad!

  • AlphaBitch : I vote for Cher’s as bumper sticker of the night.

  • choicelady : Hey funk! How are you???

  • choicelady : Cher – I LOVE THAT – “Lying Sak of Mitt”!!!

  • AdLib : What up Funk?!

  • funksands : Hi KT, just enjoying some yummy “cookies”

  • AdLib : “BullMitt”.

  • AlphaBitch : Eat Mitt and die?

  • choicelady : KT – that “spirit of capitalism” has infused everything. Even universities! Profs with Fullbrights are still expected to “bring in the money”!!! Knowledge has become second class to money. But everything is changing – and for the better I think. We are seeing that idea being confronted everywhere. It just takes TIME.

  • KillgoreTrout : What’s up Funk?

  • SallyT : Hi, KT! Oh, and the Funk has arrived!

  • funksands : AB!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

  • AdLib : Sally – :lol:

  • AlphaBitch : Cher – too good!

  • AlphaBitch : FUNK!

  • Chernynkaya : I like “Lying Sack of Mitt.”

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…the list is from March and July 2011…no coca cola….I wonder if the list is accurate, complete, real? I do not know but the lack of internet action is odd.

  • KillgoreTrout : Is Sally in da house?

  • AlphaBitch : Unmittigated gall is what that is, AL.

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, that’s pretty good. Much better than Don’t Renig in 2012.

  • SallyT : AdLib, Mitt’s would be a golden gate.

  • funksands : Hi everyone!

  • Chernynkaya : Agreed KT.

  • Chernynkaya : Murph I don’t know about suppression–you could be right! But the list is not that old–maybe a week?–and it may take time for blogs to research. Also, in the past month 13 companies quit ALEC, so it’s shifting. Color Of Change did an amazing job calling out ALEC companies–they got CocaCola and others to quit.

  • AdLib : Or if there’s a scandal connected to Mitt…would they call it “Mittigate”?

  • KillgoreTrout : Great point CL. Maybe there is a bit of hope. It just worries me that big corps are making huge profits in the “news,” business. Thirty years ago, news departments really weren’t expected to make big profits. It was the spirit of reporting that was favored over profits.

  • AdLib : Bumper sticker: “Mitigate Romney”

  • AlphaBitch : KT – and thanks God they are only 20%. And from the looks of the Tea Party Pubs, they won’t last that long. I smell diabetes and other serious diseases.

  • SallyT : AB and CL hope you two have kept them hopping on here tonight.

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, I think the people who really suffer from Obama Derangment Syndrome are the same 20% that supported bush, no matter what. In other words, the morons who believe whatever FOX news and Rush Limbaugh tell the. The RW talking points machines.

  • SallyT : Cher, don’t hold back on my account!

  • choicelady : Hy Sally! Good to see you!

  • AdLib : Hey Sally!

  • Chernynkaya : Sally, we were just about to when you came in–HI!

  • AlphaBitch : Hi Sally. Only 3.

  • choicelady : KT – remember we’ve been through the downswing of journalism before. NOTHING was as awful as Hearst in the Spanish American War. Yellow dog journalism ruled, and yet we moved away and got such amazing reporting between the wars and through the 1970s. We can do it again.

  • AlphaBitch : And my other shirt would say “Mitt Romney. Brought to you by Karl Rove, Bush’s Brain”

  • SallyT : Good Evening. Have you guys killed anyone yet?

  • KillgoreTrout : Pretty good AB.

  • Chernynkaya : Swiftboating Obama won’t work because, unlike Kerry, people SAW what Obama did and said, and they know him. Even if you don’t like Obama, you know what he said and did. It’s too currant.

  • AlphaBitch : FUCK no AdLib. I’d wear a tee shirt that said “Got ‘em” if I were PO. And another that said “Barack HUSSEIN Obama – because it IS America!”

  • AdLib : Cher – It’s beyond satire to have vapid music contest hosts reporting the Presidential campaign!

  • choicelady : AB – LOL!!! Warren. He’s also a member of the Omaha Press Club where he lives but does NOT have a paper or TV station. He has to be a “guest member” there! My aunt and uncle worked for the Omaha World Herald and knew him and his late wife a little. Nicest guy in the world. Hope his health holds out.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : BACK….sent the word re. ALEC list and Media Connection out to my e mail list. Are we tweeting this too (in that I am neolithic), but I have a big e mail list. Did three searches using three engines for the story and it basically is not there…are the engines being suppressed?

  • KillgoreTrout : I’m sometimes afraid the the spirit of genuine journalism is dead and possibly gone forever.

  • AdLib : AB – And the Repubs have started trying to swiftboat Obama on Bin Laden! Make it radioactive for Obama to even mention? No way, won’t work.

  • AlphaBitch : Jimmy? Or Warren?

  • Chernynkaya : If I were Maddow, or any of them, I’d be so insulted by Seacrest’s hire I’d quit.

  • choicelady : AB – well no one said it was all on YOU!!! We just need to find someone who will give honest reporting. Buffet owns the Buffalo News and it does a pretty good job.

  • Chernynkaya : AL–I was speechless. And like you, immediately thought of Network. GAH!

  • AlphaBitch : HOn, we might not be able to resurrect it. I’m just Biff, remember?

  • AlphaBitch : Got ahead of myself and hit enter. Fingers fly faster than brain.

  • choicelady : AB – let’s hold a resurrection for the news!

  • AdLib : Cher – What??? Ryan Seacrest is an election reporter for NBC? The movie Network now looks naive!

  • AlphaBitch : KT: excellent choice.

  • choicelady : AB – oh that’s good!

  • Chernynkaya : AB, and if Romney were Pres, it’d be the opposite: GM dead and Bin Ladin alive.

  • KillgoreTrout : Wow, don’t quite know how to answer that one! ;) Maybe in a prior life?

  • choicelady : AB – what’s the slogan>

  • choicelady : KT – I know Grant’s Pass indeed – and I totally agree. Hubby and I are great frequenters of the Ashland theater stuff but just the area, too. Good pick – less rainy by far!

  • AlphaBitch : Let’s hold a memorial for the news.

  • AdLib : CL – Indeed, as I mentioned, news has to be an activity and not a recreation now.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: you have to stop every now and then and just breathe.

  • Chernynkaya : AL–so true! The MSM is dead. Imagine, NBC hired RYAN SEACREST as a 2012 election reporter and analyst!

  • choicelady : AB – I won’t EVER forget Barbara Jordan! What an amazing woman!

  • AlphaBitch : Osama dead, GM alive. It’s just the truth.

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, actually I was thinking of Grant’s Pass, further to the south of Oregon. Absolutely gorgeous.

  • choicelady : AB – been to the fight too damn long. I tip my hat to ya, but even in CA the fight exists, and I’m getting freaking sick of it.

  • AlphaBitch : I thought of my slogan for the Obama compaign:

  • choicelady : AdLib – I think you’re right that we have an obligation to keep talking about the media and about truth. I think all of us and our local allies and friends should seriously take on local papers – ed board meetings, getting to know local reporters – REALLY get to know them by contacting them often – and if need be, picketing them and challenging advertisers when they won’t listen. We tend to be too insular and often too passive. Raise hell! Get their attention! Be NICE to those who listen, and annoy and vex those who do not. WE want our MEDIA back!

  • AlphaBitch : KT: How come I’m not your daughter???

  • AdLib : Cher – The way out is by making it common knowledge that the MSM is corrupt and that going to independent blogs and researching the proven-to-be-leg it bigger sources is the path to the truth. News as an active thing instead of passive.

  • AlphaBitch : Cher: Your wish is granted.

  • KillgoreTrout : AB, what a small world. My daughter lives in Portland and went to college in Missoula Montana.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: And let’s not forget Barbara Jordan.

  • Chernynkaya : I need to win the lottery so I can buy a few acres in Portland. That’s where there will still be water in 30 years–not in So Cal.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: I live and breathe by Davy Crockett’s words “You may all go to hell. I’m going to Texas” We HAD Henry B. Gonzalez, and HAVE Lloyd Doggett and Julian and Joaquin Castro (I know their mama – she is amazing). You gots to go where the fight is if’n you want to change things.

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, while I was in Portland, I just loved the mountains. They are sort rare for me to see on a daily basis.

  • choicelady : KT – one of the most amazing places. Columbia River Gorge is simply amazing, and the whole area is wonderful. I think it’s less expensive not IN Seattle, but around there, but it’s also more rainy and colder. Portland has a great balance.

  • choicelady : AB – Texas without Molly and Ms. Ann might not be worth hanging around for? Jim Hightower, yes, but the heart and soul are gone. I’m sure there are others, but we don’t know them. Could not make me live there not fer nuttin’.

  • KillgoreTrout : New Hmpshire and Boston Mass.

  • AlphaBitch : KT: Go to Portland. It was nicer than Seattle, last I checked. One of my faves was Missoula MT. And I love the Bitterroots.

  • Chernynkaya : Frankly, the media is one of my biggest concerns. We have plenty of free press, but little unbiased press. Not good for democracy. What good if Freedom of the Press if the Press won;t do it’s job?

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, I spent 3 years in NC when I was in the Corps. I spent nearly a year just across the Columbia river and Portland OR.

  • AdLib : AB – Newtmares! :lol:

  • choicelady : KT – BTW – I KNOW where you are in Ohio, and trust me on this, unless you LIKE hot muggy weather, the NW is much nicer and it’s NOT FLAT.

  • AlphaBitch : KT: I lived in the NW for 10 years, then came home to Texas and Rick Perry. But I hung w/ Ms. Ann for a few nights and it was worth it.

  • AdLib : AB – I don’t know that it means we’re screwed, it means that we have to keep people going in the direction they’ve been going and turning away from the MSM to get their news…while suspecting the MSM for manipulating it. This is why OWS scared all of them so much, it could be the wave that exposes the MSM and moves people away from it.

  • AlphaBitch : I would like to see a local program of teens studying journalism in school doing a local news broadcast – including one truly “newsy” story. Just to train ‘em up right.

  • choicelady : KT – where in the South? The NW may be rainy, but it is absolutely gorgeous. Well worth thinking about.

  • KillgoreTrout : AB, I surely once was. Thinking about leaving Ohio, for the northwest. I’m not sure about all the rain though. I used to refer to myself as a free spirit. LOL!

  • choicelady : ADLib – balance. She has balance. Current Events. Cookie dough ice cream. Renaissance girl.

  • Chernynkaya : Newtmares! LOL!!

  • AlphaBitch : AL: I have newtmares about him and Calista

  • choicelady : ADLib – collusion of the media with ALEC and who knows who else is terribly scary. At least McClatchy doesn’t seem to be there.

  • Chernynkaya : AL, she will pick it up almost by osmosis–it’s all around her in the atmosphere of your home.

  • AlphaBitch : KT: You’re a rambling man.

  • AdLib : AB – Yep, that’s gotta be it! Newt is scary to dream about!

  • AlphaBitch : AL But NOTHING is as important as mint chocolate, right?

  • KillgoreTrout : AB, I lived all over America. Both coasts, northeast, south east (NC) and Northwest, southwest!

  • AdLib : Cher – She’s almost 9 and as you know, we’re trying to get her thinking that being involved and aware is important…at least as much as cookie dough ice cream.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: It means we are screwed, and that they make up facts to keep us confused. I’m still wigged out and concerned about electronic voting. It’s why I’m a codger!

  • AlphaBitch : KT: Are you a southern man?

  • KillgoreTrout : AB, I guess Moon Pies wouldn’t work so well.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I think that makes perfect sense. You want to talk over the day with someone, you have wine or a beer or something. She sees the process of talking and sharing something good to eat go together. She’s just doing what WE do.

  • AlphaBitch : So let’s keep ALEC BALDWIN and discard the other ALECS and BALDWINS. OK?

  • AdLib : So, what does it mean to have at least half of the owners of our media colluding to influence our politics?

  • Chernynkaya : AL–your daughter is a gem–and only, what-9? And if I may, my son knows more about current events than even me.

  • KillgoreTrout : Cl, quite true that. At least Alec has a sense of humor.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: Your response frightens her, so she ingests sugar to avoid falling asleep and dreaming of Newt.

  • choicelady : AB – let’s just be blunt about Bladwins. Those people reproduced like bunnies and NO one can keep them straight.

  • AdLib : Cher – My daughter is at least asking me from time to time, “What happened in the news today?” which of course makes Dad happy…then she does ask if she can stay up and have ice cream…any connection?

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, that would be Stephen.

  • choicelady : KT – maybe it’s just not all that easy to light up ANY Baldwin? I think they’re all very weird.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: I think that IS Stephen. But who the hell is Billy?

  • choicelady : AB – is the Dominionist Billy – I can’t keep them straight. Whichever one is the “I Luuuuuvvv Jesus” freak. He just makes me want to puke.

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, Steven just looks dimwitted. You can actually see the missing lumens!

  • AdLib : Stephen is a babbling moron whose career is as over as Nugent’s.

  • Chernynkaya : AL-no offense taken! Her dad and I are so politically aware and involved, we sometimes despair. Fortunately, his younger 16 y/o is savvy.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: But which one is Billy?

  • choicelady : AdLib – better ALEC than Stephen. He’s the Dominionist Baldwin who makes me LITERALLY nauseated when he’s on TV. I can tolerate Alec. NOT his stupid brother.

  • AlphaBitch : Cher: I think it’s hard. I deal with children from around the world, and they are – for the most part -heads and shoulders above our own on global issues of importance. Even the 16 year olds…..

  • Chernynkaya : CL, I know, right?

  • AdLib : Cher – No offense intended about your step-daughter, just trying to say that many her age came out on the streets to celebrate it.

  • choicelady : Cher – AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! !!! “It didn’t affect me so I didn’t CARE?????” Good thing she wasn’t alive 12-7-41…

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, LOL! I’m proud to say that i’ve never pondered a piercing!

  • AlphaBitch : And if you had been, I would suggest a check up

  • Chernynkaya : AL–That was my step-daughter. I can’t tell you how hard it is sometimes!

  • AlphaBitch : Good one AL!

  • choicelady : AdLib – that’s so true, thanks for reminding us. The joy in the streets involved many young people who were just KIDS when 9/11 happened, so yeah – not everyone’s an egomaniac.

  • AdLib : I can say with confidence, The Planet has never been with ALEC though his is our favorite Baldwin.

  • Chernynkaya : CL, I asked her (very calmly and sweetly) if she remembered where she was on 9/11. She said Yes! She was in her 6th grade class and her teacher told them. She said, “but it didn’t affect me, so I didn;t care.”

  • KillgoreTrout : Good point Ad. They were the most effected by 9/11 I think. They have more of a future left than we old fogeys!

  • AlphaBitch : I was inundated with emails of congratulations from all my “children” from and in Afghanistan. I had to keep telling them it really wasn’t me……

  • choicelady : AB LOL!!!!!

  • choicelady : KT – if you CAN capture their attention, it’s well worth giving the background indeed. It’s getting them off their personal introspection. This generation doesn’t do even navel gazing. It’s navel RING gazing. Oy.

  • AdLib : Cher – That’s just one ignorant guy. Think about all the 20-somethings who came out to celebrate OBL’s death that night.

  • Chernynkaya : AL, I’ve been missing writing for a while. This is a fun project for me!

  • choicelady : Cher – I watched it, too – and I just swallowed my tongue at that question. I taught college kids as a grad student who, five years later, had NO IDEA what had gone on in Vietnam or where it was or that WE WERE FIGHTING THERE.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Now there’s a slogan: “No activists are EVER harmed here.” Right up w/ PeaceKitten’s “I’ve Been Craptured!”

  • KillgoreTrout : Ha CL. Maybe those other old fogeys will pass it on the younger less informed. I do have faith in our young people. I have to, the alternative is just too depressing.

  • choicelady : Murph – the one good thing about becoming the “disappeared” over at HPAOL is that you still exist in peace on the Planet. No activists are EVER harmed here.

  • Chernynkaya : CL, I was watching the report on killing OBL last nite and the 21y/o walked in and asked, “Is that about that guy from 9/11?” :roll:

  • AdLib : Cher – Thanks so much for running with this! It’s exactly the kind of story that underlines the importance of The Planet. MSNBC and CNN won’t run it, they’d be indicting themselves!

  • choicelady : Cher – you don’t have ADD or you’d not KNOW how many other things are out there. You’d just focus on the little spider on the wall until diverted by the dust on the floor and forget the spider entirely. ADD is a happier place than we inhabit…

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…I am going to try to drop this ALEC list into the HP stream and see what happens. I may be the next one of our happy group who disappears from the “community”. I am really pissed off about this….really..

  • AlphaBitch : I’m a proud member of the codger factor these days myself.

  • choicelady : KT – Excuse me while I laugh – I reach OTHER old fogies? I think you were – I HOPE you were – responding elsewhere!!!

  • Chernynkaya : There are so mnay HUGE stories abt the GOP and Romney–it’s hard not to have ADD.

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, but always young at heart.

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, your efforts are quite admirable. It’s so hard to reach an uninformed section of our citizens. But, it has to be done somehow. You really do commendable work in that area.

  • choicelady : Cher – Oh lordy, I’m SURE you are right about that!

  • AdLib : Murph – So true! I was watching MSNBC more than my typically minimal hours today and they just kept hammering the same stories against Romney over and over, from one show to another. Where was this story???

  • Chernynkaya : CL, Jimmy Olsen Cher is on it!

  • choicelady : KT – knowing what Fifth Column means makes very clear we are now certifiable Old Fogies.

  • Chernynkaya : CL–Boy, do I hear that! They may not even know what Trojan Horse means.

  • choicelady : Cher – oh PLEASE do a post on media and ALEC!!!!! Please, please?

  • Chernynkaya : I’m going to start this weekend, AL. thanks.

  • choicelady : KT – I’ve been hollering Fifth Column for a year now. Problem – I’m hollering at kids who don’t even know the Sp. Civil War and what that means.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : My friends…seriou sly….we need a strong article on what this list means…it will be the kind of thing we pass on to lots of others….I just scanned the list…it is terrifying…and most of you know I am a frequent HP contributor.

  • Chernynkaya : Not Tribune, but DirectTV.

  • AlphaBitch : I second Cher.

  • AdLib : Cher, absolutely! This is big and you’ll nail it!

  • KillgoreTrout : These surely are troubling times for our wonderful democratic experiment.

  • choicelady : All – I definitely urge you to read Crisis of Democracy by Michael Crozer et al. written in 1976. It’s THE blueprint for all our ills. Done FOR the Trilateral Commission on what needs to die – democracy, free press, unions, etc. – to let global capital thrive. It is STILL being used in classrooms to promote world free trade.

  • Chernynkaya : may I volunteer to write about the media and ALEC?

  • AdLib : Cher – What about Tribune?

  • AdLib : Murph – This is bigger than just HP…much of our media is controlled by corps that are members of a cabal to affect our democracy.

  • Chernynkaya : Not Disney or Viacom.

  • choicelady : AdLib – Yes, I know you liked him a lot when you met. He liked you, too. KT and Murph – you can find ALL the members at: «link»

  • KillgoreTrout : The news outlets are no longer part of the 4th esatate, as much as they are a 5th column!

  • Chernynkaya : And if Romney is elected by them, he’ll be the first corporation to be President of the United States.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : SO…who is going to write a piece on the HPAOL connection to ALEC? This is important.

  • AdLib : Cher – Viacom? Disney?

  • AdLib : Wow…this is big…much of the media in bed on controlling our democracy…dire ctly???

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, is it Westinghouse?

  • Chernynkaya : Time-Warner-yep!

  • Chernynkaya : Wow- NOT NewsCorp.

  • AdLib : Cher – So…MSNBC’s majority owner…is a member of ALEC.

  • Chernynkaya : GE-Yes.

  • AdLib : CL – I’m a Bob Edgar fan too, as you know.

  • Chernynkaya : Comcast-yes, ALEC.

  • Chernynkaya : Give me a sec, AL.

  • choicelady : Cher – oh that’s GREAT. Trust ol’ Bob Edgar to do that. He is a minister, a CEO of Common Cause and a former Congressman. GO BOB!!!

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, no, I meant Alec is immoral in it’s purpose.

  • AdLib : I wonder if GE, Comcast, Fox and Time Warner are also in it? Cher, did you scan the list yet?

  • choicelady : KT – it’s not immoral to give up your membership list, esp. as Cher says they are non-profit. That has to be disclosed to the IRS.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…yep, ALEC is tax exempt…WOW…g reed does them in.

  • choicelady : Cher – it IS a 501-c-3???? Then how does it do so much advocacy??? That’s got to be via a c-4 (NO tax deductions, thank you) or it’s ILLEGAL. Look my organization walks that tightrope regularly, and if WE can do it, so must they. Like to know just how they pull that all off.

  • AdLib : Someone has to be leaking ALEC membership info, how else could the threatened boycotts have happened and all the corps pulling out?

  • Chernynkaya : Common Cause challenges ALEC’s tax-exempt status «link» kos.com/story/20 12/04/23/1085663 /-Common-Cause-c hallenges-ALEC-s -tax-exempt-stat us

  • choicelady : Murph – another route MAY be if ALEC is a non-profit. I don’t think so, but if it is, it has to file a 990 with the IRS giving donation sources.

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, legal yes, morally correct, not so much.

  • Chernynkaya : ALEC is tax-exempt. I assume members pay fees, and also get tax advantages for donating.

  • AdLib : So I wonder, any connection to the rumor floating around about Arianna wanting to buy back HP or do a new startup blog?

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, I think Aryanna has been an opportunist most of her adult life. I must admit, that I was drawn in when she appeared to be a lib, but after seeing that photo of her with Newt and the other Boat (yacht) people, i gave up such illusions.

  • choicelady : Murph – it’s no doubt a list leaked by a member to the media or at least blog world. Nothing at all illegal about it.

  • Chernynkaya : CL–LOL! Thanks.

  • choicelady : CL – I thought it was big noses. And his is wee. And that’s all I’m saying about THAT.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…why would a list of members of a private group be public record. Tax returns? are these public record?

  • choicelady : AB – I have forgotten the Senator’s name. I will try to find it. He’s long gone (I fear he probably passed on as they say) but it was a wonderful deed, it was!

  • AdLib : Cher – I agree, people enjoy the functionality of the site and the interaction, that will weigh in their favor.

  • choicelady : Cher – you’re about the only person who can use perfidy in a sentence and make it work. I digress – she is smooth, is she not.

  • AdLib : CL – In the world of journalism, HP should be hit hard. I don’t know about how the regulars will react.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: She obviously confused the old saying about “big feet mean…” and thought it also applied to “big head…”

  • Chernynkaya : Murph, there have been several lists of Cos in ALEC–it’s public record. Tax returns.

  • AlphaBitch : Who read it into the record, CL?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT…in part that this info is just getting out…that HP is not getting ahead of the tsunami that will hit when it does…that HP has not stepped away already (probably hoping the list would not get out)….that it make a place where I spend real time more and more suspect in my mind. Having blasted them this morning about their coverage of the jobs report…it makes sense.

  • choicelady : AB – with Newt out of the race, it will be easier to find him for Arianna to boff. Why she’d WANT to is unclear, but she’s clearly smitten with him.

  • Chernynkaya : Cl, I agree. There’s been so much damning info on AH already. Also, she’s a very sly concern troll. I watched her recently and she can SEEM to be espousing lib ideas. You have to be very alert to catch her perfidy.

  • choicelady : Murph – it’s all public now. I found a list from another site, NOT Common Cause, with all the members. All it takes is for ONE member to pass it on. That’s what we did in the 70s with “street names” hiding private accounts for institutional investors – we had a Senator read it into the Congressional Record. Perfectly legal.

  • KillgoreTrout : How so Murph?

  • Chernynkaya : AL, it does for me, but I think their interactive software is just too irresistible to most posters there.

  • choicelady : AdLib – you’d think it would, but if we had a hard time knowing, how would her besotted fans ever figure it out? If putting Breitbart on her pages didn’t work to tell people the truth, this won’t either.

  • AdLib : CL – Well done!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher, KT…hmmmmm…I wonderhow Common Cause got the list….very distrubing.

  • AdLib : Cher – That is huge, just followed the link! Doesn’t that totally explode any claim HPAOL has on legitimacy?

  • choicelady : I have to take credit for busting up the Common Cause love fest with Arianna. I refused to attend an event with her. The CEO is a long time ally of mine, and I guess they paid attention.

  • AlphaBitch : What oh what will Whorianna do now that Newt is out?

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, it really wouldn’t surprise me. Considering Aryanna’s bent to go which ever way the GOP wind is blowing.

  • Chernynkaya : Murph here’s the full ALEC list: «link»

  • choicelady : Hi Murph – that’s good info, and how are you anyway?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher….just saw your link. Thanks. More grist for my mill.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…is there proof re. HPAOL and ALEC. I have read it on several blogs but so far no evidence trail.

  • Chernynkaya : yep–according to ThinkProgess/ Common Cause: «link»

  • choicelady : Cher – that does not surprise me. HPAOL sucks up to big time corporatists.

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, I’m stunned! :roll:

  • KillgoreTrout : Good one AB!

  • AlphaBitch : CHer – No I did not!

  • AdLib : Cher – Are you serious about HPAOL and ALEC???

  • KillgoreTrout : I am listening to Thick As A Brick, and thought that may have caused the planet to sputter. LOL

  • Chernynkaya : Speaking of washed-up Republicans, didja hear that HPAOL is a member of ALEC?

  • AlphaBitch : KT: That’s what the Koch Bros are for!

  • choicelady : KT and AdLib – PERFECT! I’d not pay money to see that tour. But then, I don’t pay money to see ANY tour, so can’t go by me.

  • AdLib : Killgore – They’d have to lock the doors too to keep them from fleeing.

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, If they wanted anyone to attend, they’d have to pay the audience.

  • AdLib : The Washed Up Republicans Tour!

  • AdLib : Killgore – Dennis Miller and Ted Nugent should hold a concert that no one wants to go to.

  • Chernynkaya : What I said before the eclipse was that I like this line: Romney is accusing Obama of not cleaning the Repubs’ mess fast enough.

  • AlphaBitch : KT; He don’t look all that “washed up” to me. Some bad funk there (no offense, funkman!)

  • choicelady : Cher – that musta been it. A total eclipse of the Planet. But the sun’s back out now!

  • KillgoreTrout : Well cher, unlike the moon, the Planet emits it’s own light.

  • choicelady : AdLib – and here I thought it was moi. Went out, came back, and it’s someone ELSE’s fault! I’m in therapy for that…

  • Chernynkaya : O gee, glad we’re back. The Planet went dark for a while there. Eclipse?

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, now he is just a washed up rock and roller who has nothing else than to play the same game Coulter and Rush and Hannity play. Sad.

  • AdLib : Whoops! Sorry folks, server burped. We’re back!

  • AlphaBitch : Hey -why’d I get kicked off? Forget the money! And I’m keeping the unicorns too.

  • AlphaBitch : Adlib: When RoMONEY gives me a 500K job, I will give the Planet $100K. OK?

  • choicelady : Hey KT and Cher – lovely to see you!

  • AdLib : Hey CL!

  • choicelady : AB – Lamb gots a good home. Hoo hah!

  • AdLib : Killgore – Ted’s at least moderate when surrounded by psychotics.

  • Chernynkaya : CL! Hi.

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey choice.

  • AlphaBitch : Choicelady: Lamb now lives outside Nashvegas with my BGF, who is laughing her arse off!

  • choicelady : Evening all – hope you’re all well?

  • AdLib : So how about Romney declaring we should be having 500k jobs a month and 4% unemployment…a nd blaming Obama for there not being enough unicorns around.

  • KillgoreTrout : I see crazy Ted went off on a reporter today. He was trying to convince us that he is a moderate! Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  • Chernynkaya : Hi, KT!

  • AlphaBitch : KT – What’s shakin’ bacon?

  • AdLib : Hey Killgore!

  • AlphaBitch : Adlib: IDIOT

  • KillgoreTrout : What’s up folks?

  • AdLib : LOUDAH!

  • AdLib : AB – The smart ones say “Bin Laden” and “President Obama”. In other words, very few of them.

  • AlphaBitch : AdLib: Never if you’re from MA

  • AlphaBitch : I for one wish the MSM would learn the difference between “OSama” and “OBama”.

  • AdLib : AB – I did not know that. So never shout “louder!” when someone is speaking Pashto?

  • Chernynkaya : AB–green pigs steal my eggs. I love dive-bombing them. ;-) (Angry Birds.)

  • AlphaBitch : Cher – I’ve never even seen a green pig unless I’m Drunken AlphaBitch

  • Chernynkaya : Angry Cher keeps diving into green pigs.

  • AlphaBitch : No, hon – that’s HUNGRY AdLib

  • AdLib : Humorous Adlib is here…who is Angry Adlib and why does he keep eating my sandwiches?

  • Chernynkaya : Dr. Laodlib!! Awesome.

  • AlphaBitch : So AdLib: a tee shirt contest. I am always wanting to wear my thoughts…

  • AlphaBitch : Good one Cher!

  • Chernynkaya : AL–too many Eves for you. Very different but both has a bumpy ride!

  • AlphaBitch : Ad: Did you know that the Dari (or Pashto -not sure) word for idiot sounds like “loud-ah”?

  • AdLib : I always used to get The 3 Faces of Eve mixed up with All About Eve.

  • Chernynkaya : AB don’t know, but they both dealt with same thing.

  • AlphaBitch : So we have Humorous AdLib with us tonight?

  • AdLib : Hi Murph!

  • Chernynkaya : Hey Murph!

  • AlphaBitch : Cher – yep. My first time watching it. Kept thinking of Sally Field in Sybil. Was that based on 3 Faces?

  • AdLib : AB – Heh! I was watching “The Seven Faces of Dr. Laodlib”.

  • AlphaBitch : Hey Murph!

  • Chernynkaya : Hi AB! Seriously, Was 3 Faces of Eve on? I love that movie.

  • AdLib : Not too much, how about you?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Occupy the Planet….about the only Occupy Moment I have a chance being heard at……Hi there.

  • AlphaBitch : Hey Ho Cher and AdLib – just finished watching “The Three Faces of AdLib” on TCM.

  • Chernynkaya : Same here–anything new?

  • AdLib : Cher! Wonderful to seeya!

  • Chernynkaya : Hi, Adlib! How’s it going?

  • AdLib : Don’t forget to say “hi” when you arrive!”

  • AdLib : Vox Populi, our live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7 pm PST. Hope to see you then!

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  • AdLib : Heh! It will be getting pretty intense around here as the year keeps rolling, and I mean that in a good way.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Oh yes…I am getting as rabid about this campaign as someone else I know (hint: the initials are AL)

  • AdLib : Murph – Go get em! I know you’re as anxious as I am to see Chris’ article.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally and AdLib…gone and back. I need the links to Chris’ story for another site.

  • AdLib : Great! See you then! Night!

  • SallyT : Good night, Mr AL and I will be around.

  • AdLib : Okay, I’ll check it out now, see you here tomorrow!

  • AdLib : Yep! Just having guests on because they’re RW but dumb or just broken records of talking points is a waste. And yep, I remember you warned me last week! I still watched it!

  • SallyT : If I don’t say anything, that is saying something.

  • SallyT : Didn’t you notice I didn’t mention it to you last week? I try to keep you informed.

  • SallyT : Last week sucked!

  • AdLib : Nice! Last week’s was weak.

  • SallyT : Good night, AdLib. Wish you all the same!

  • SallyT : Mr. T laughed out loud several times.

  • AdLib : Great, I will make my way out of the PlanetPOV Vox Populi broadcast booth and check it out. Have a great weekend Sally and wonderful night’s sleep!

  • SallyT : Well, I let you get to Tivo and you will enjoy Bill tonight. He has some good jokes.

  • SallyT : Cheers!

  • AdLib : two

  • AdLib : Always keep to glasses for the end of the night. Cheers!

  • SallyT : I think Murph is gone, AdLib. It’s just us again.

  • AdLib : Murph – It’s much easier than it sounds, just planted something that provided fruit or veggies each year and set up a watering system. Now, it’s little work and a nice variety of organic eats.

  • SallyT : Good night to you, too, Chris!

  • SallyT : Good night Murph!

  • AdLib : Chris – Sleep well and thanks so much for filling us in on the adventures today! Really looking forward to your article! DO get some rest though!

  • AlphaBitch : You got it Chris. Mwah dear ones!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ok my dreams of Tony “The Oilman” Scalia await. Night all.

  • AdLib : Night AB, have a great weekend!

  • ChrisR266 : AB: That is a tremendous idea. Let us work on that. He would be so secretly pleased.

  • AdLib : AB – Ass to forehead comb over…THAT is how Trump does it!

  • SallyT : AlphB, you have a good night and will be looking for you later on here somewhere.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib….it is you who are the Farmer, my straw hat and sweat band are off to you…slight but sincere bow….

  • ChrisR266 : I’m out for the evening, too, fair VPites. Thanks for the scintillating conversation this evening. Enjoy your weekend.

  • AlphaBitch : Psst Chris: we should be Funkfans.

  • AlphaBitch : Oh dear Sally!!

  • SallyT : They can do a rectal exam on Scalia from either end.

  • AdLib : Farmer Murph – Love fresh grown strawberries, unlike any bought in a market, they melt in your mouth. We’ve got those, blackberries, boysenberries, and fruit trees, lemon, orange grapefruit, avocado, apple and pomegranate. An artichoke bush and asparagus. Over the years, just kept planting things that produced fruit and now…a little back yard but lots of different things to nibble.

  • ChrisR266 : thanks Murph, I appreciate the thanks. You enjoy your weekend now.

  • AlphaBitch : And I’m following the Funkster and Sue and bidding you all a good night, free of Scalia. Sounds like some sort of medical condition, doesn’t it?

  • ChrisR266 : Good night and weekend, Funk. You know I adore you.

  • SallyT : Good Night Funk! Have missed you!

  • AlphaBitch : Amen, Murph.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…VERY SPECIAL THANKS TO YOU TONIGHT FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING REPORTING….a great service to all of us who are deeply concerned about the engagement of young people in the political process and the efforts of campaigns to hornswoggle them.

  • funksands : I am being summoned. Good Mitt everyone! See you around soon.

  • AlphaBitch : Once John Hiatt talked of growing older, and how the hair you want recedes, while you start growing hair in the most unlikely places. Like your ass. He said he was going for the largest combover in the world – from ass to forehead.

  • AdLib : AB – Maybe Scalia is so mean because he’s always sleep deprived, his head keeps sliding off the pillow onto the floor every night.

  • funksands : He doesn’t use pillows, simply other heads.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…I do four kinds of tomatoes, 2 kinds of cucumber, 2 kinds of squash, 3 kinds of peppers, eggplant, and I have a strawberry patch

  • AdLib : AB – Oh yeah, the seasoned pan makes all the difference!

  • AlphaBitch : Funk: What kind of gel stains do you think he leaves on his pillowcases???

  • SallyT : I like Paul but that girl with the glasses, ugh!

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: get your well-earned sleep. Good to converse with you here, and I know you will keep the faith. Enjoy the weekend.

  • AdLib : Sleep well Murph!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Scalia and his oily hair….you all are going to give me nightmares. Slick Tony…yuck.

  • AlphaBitch : Damn you Funk! I have well seasoned cast iron, which AdLib will vouch is used by NOLA cooks. Don’t besmirch my frying pans!

  • SallyT : Night Sherlock. See you later!

  • AdLib : Murph – Quite a job! We planted our small garden two weeks ago and the seedlings are all up now. Broccoli, corn, peas, beans, watermelon and tomatoes. Not a lot of each but a great variety!

  • ChrisR266 : Oh, now, ick!

  • funksands : Sally, that is a perfect description

  • funksands : If you keep oiling, it eliminates the need to shower. Think of it like seasoning a pan..

  • AlphaBitch : ha Sally!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sally….Paul Begala is one of my favorite commenters.

  • ChrisR266 : Funk: Your description of Scalia’s hair sounds like it should be posted on e-bay.

  • SallyT : Scalia looks like death warmed over, frozen, and then micro waved at too high a sitting.

  • AlphaBitch : Sue: nighty night. I will follow soon

  • AlphaBitch : And Funk: the gelatinous goo in his hair is simply body oil? EEWWW – can you imagine having to clean his shower drain??? (Erp)

  • AdLib : Night Sue! Sleep well and seeya over the weekend here!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : I am crashing and burning…put in 1/2 of my garden today…it is a big one and the prep work in the hard clay soil of Mo. is considerable (plus fence repair to keep the rabbits away). Put in 26 plants. 26 more to go. To bed.

  • AlphaBitch : Funk!!!!! Oh wouldn’t that make the Donald so jealous? Scalia does look very much like a throw-back.

  • AlphaBitch : Doesn’t anyone get it that it was Rove who gave us W? WhyTF would we want to buy yet another lemon from him.

  • funksands : AB, Scalia’s hair is simply a shoulder-hair side comb-over. Very rare.

  • SallyT : I watched it Murph and yes it was a good one. AdLib will have to get the Tivo going later.

  • SueInCa : OK you all I am checking out. I have to go read TPM about Chris school see you all over the weekend

  • AlphaBitch : AdLib – so picturesque. Now I’ll hate bowling and mopping.

  • funksands : Murph, I’m watching it in a few

  • SueInCa : Murph will watch at 10 tonite

  • funksands : Ad, its below

  • AdLib : Funk – Please do link here or on TOOT to the time travel Romney video.

  • SueInCa : Jeez you people I could not stand to look at Scalia already now you totally ruined it

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Did anyone see REAL TIME with MAHER tonight….funni est and most on point I have seen in a long time.

  • AdLib : AB – Very cool! Spent a lot of time in NOLA long after I read it and it often came to mind.

  • SueInCa : LOL I tweet that out a few times a day. I love mking fun of rightwingers

  • AdLib : AB – You nailed it on Scalia’s head. Like a bowling ball dipped in an slop bucket with threads of the mop sticking to it.

  • AlphaBitch : Why, Sue – if Mittens says he’s a severe conservative, I take him at THAT word.

  • funksands : Chris, YOUR BEST? Do you accept that from your students????

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris….Three Cheers. Hip, hip, hoorah! Hip, hip, hoorah! Hip, hip, hoorah!

  • SueInCa : AHey Alpha

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: I’m going to try to get it done this weekend. I can see it in my head, I just need to find the time to get it done. I’ll do my best.

  • SueInCa : IF Mitt Romney SAYS he is a Christian I take him at his word

  • funksands : Romney travels back in time to kill earlier liberal selves: «link»

  • AlphaBitch : Time travel Romney? Isn’t that an oxymoron (heavy on the moron)?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…we retired types are really good at assigning work to others….ignore me if the suggestion is too much…BUT if you can…it would be marvelous.

  • AdLib : Bito – It’s time I had a word with your ‘puter!

  • AlphaBitch : You boys all know that it’s way past the AB’s bedtime. She just couldn’t resist….

  • funksands : Anyone seen the Onion video about Time-travel Romney? I literally did a spit take. Let me see if I can find it.

  • AdLib : Hey AB! Great to see ya!

  • AlphaBitch : AdLib: Confederacy of Dunces (Ignatius P.) is MY fave. Chosen for a concept book club at a local restaurant where they prepare food from the region of the book.

  • ChrisR266 : ABitch: Amen on that one, OMFG! Thanks for showing up, I’m crying, I’m laughing so hard.

  • funksands : AB, like a glass of cool water on a hot day. How refreshing to see you m’dear

  • AlphaBitch : Chris: Scalia’s head/hair gel looks like it would make great accelerant….. one huge grease ball, that.

  • AdLib : Funk – :lol:

  • AdLib : Chris – Confederacy of Dunces is a big fave of mine! And yes, we are seeing a real life adaptation of the title, at the very least, in the GOP.

  • ChrisR266 : adLib: It will blow up before.

  • AlphaBitch : Back at ya, Chris! And I lubs me some Funk, too. Long time, no party Mistah!

  • ChrisR266 : I so love you Alpha! Thanks.

  • AdLib : Hey Bito! Very cool! Thanks for the info on Romney and bribery in WI. If only this could blow up just after the GOP convention!!!

  • SallyT : Bito, yell back at it!

  • AlphaBitch : Halo, everyone – just read Chris’ report – way to go! Wow and wow. Thanks so much for the Friday thriller. I think I’ll make a new tee shirt (after the “Ask Me About My Abortion” one) that says: Get a job, Mrs. Romney. You need some dignity.

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: If I can get my ass down there and make some contacts with administration, I may be able to do a compare/contrast for that article.

  • bito : I would join in but my ‘puter is yelling “turn me off!” really sluggish Hello everyone

  • AdLib : Funk – Agreed, the Repub legislators have just eased back in their ALEC funded easy chairs and just taken the money and snoozed. However, Choicelady can attest to this, a lot of legislation that is proposed in any state’s legislature is originally drafted by outside groups. Nothing wrong with that but a legislator should be vetting and rewriting a bill they agree with so it is best for their citizens.

  • ChrisR266 : AdLib: I missed that, but I will read it. I do think you are right, but still think it says something about how bankrupt the GOP ideology is in the 21st century.

  • SallyT : Funk :lol:

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…ah…got it.

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: He will be at Ohio State on May 5 kicking off his campaign. 20 minutes by highway from us.

  • funksands : Heard at latest Romney fundraiser: “I can’t believe you like money too. We should hang out.”

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…did you say Obama is coming to your campus soon…if so I wonder if you could to do a comparative piece reflecting on the differences in the Romney and Obama events.

  • AdLib : Chris – Don’t know if you read my article last week about the GOP seeing things only as games to win but if you put it in that perspective, things seem to make more sense. The GOP can only win by suppressing Dem voters, spreading lies about Obama because he’s accomplished so much that is popular and energizing their base by attacking blacks, Latinos women, other religions, everyone who the ignorant white males feel threatened by and want to dominate. There is no room for logic or reason in the minds of such people.

  • ChrisR266 : Hi bito

  • SallyT : Hi Bito! Thanks for the info!

  • ChrisR266 : Have y’all read “A confederacy of dunces” by John Kennedy Toole? I feel as if I’ve been watching that novel unfold before our very eyes since 2008.

  • SueInCa : Adlib I think you are right and with (Hey Bito) Obama on the campaign trail he is going to drive them crazy because he can point thes idiots out constantly

  • bito : gulagbound.com/2 9003/investigati on-of-romney-for -bribery-electio n-subterfuge-in- wisconsin-primar y/#.T5tn6dkcCt_

  • funksands : Ad, so true. The CBO and NYTimes are the perfect example of that.

  • bito : UPDATED 8:43pm: Romney Investigated for Bribery & Election SUBterfuge in Wisconsin Primary gulagbound.com/2 9003/investigati on-of-romney-for -bribery-electio n-subterfuge-in- wisconsin-primar y/#.T5tn6dkcCt_ Semms this case is still active in WI

  • AdLib : Sue – When it’s all just a game, there are no principles to stand by. The GOP is literally unprincipled. Catholic bishops complain about providing BC, they should be listened to. They protest the GOP’s attack on the poor, they shouldn’t be listened to. On and on. That’s why I think the Dems should just kick the game board over and expose the GOP for being unprincipled, greedy and power hungry tools who will say and do anything to advance their goals. When you think about it, Romney really is the perfect representative for what the GOP is today.

  • funksands : Anyone else think that the ALEC/Koch law-writing template service is making GOP legislators lazy, unable to govern, and unable to devise effective strategy? I do.

  • SueInCa : Watson you don’t know what I want to do to repugs

  • ChrisR266 : AdLib: I do agree with you, and think the same. But what I just cannot wrap my mind around is the “fact” that there MUST be some brainiac in the house/senate/cam paign who realizes this too? Come on! Idiotic strategic posturing. I just don’t get the idiocy.

  • SallyT : Okay, Sherlock, then the Repugs will say, “we’ll save the women but starve the kids.”

  • funksands : Sue, the GOP is starting to run out of places to find money to patch offsets. The only really bloated place to find money is Defense and they won’t touch it. Discretionary spending is real-dollar flat since 2000.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : I repeat, I think Boehner knows that Romeny is toast so he is going to do everything he can to keep his Speakership, which requires holding the House….there will be a LOT of pandering to that body….”We wanted to provide students with more affordable loans AND get rid of an Obama slush fund….and the Dems stopped us.”

  • AdLib : I’m back! Chris – The House’s latest cynical attempt to poison pill a bill is no so obvious, I don’t know who they think will buy into their BS. Only their shrinking base but they must think most Americans and women are ignorant enough to be manipulated by it. In the end, I think the Senate passes their clean version of it and The House is left to block it or pass it…losing the college vote by bigger margins if blocking it.

  • SueInCa : What effin irony the GOP vote for a student bill but attack women what next vote for a woman’s bill and attack student funding? WTF is wrong with those people?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…there is a senate measure but it is different than the House and it has not come up for a vote- very different funding mechanism. «link»

  • SallyT : Murph, the Repugs are saying, Okay, the kids can have low interest rates on school loans but we will kill the women!

  • funksands : Murph, they didn’t read the bill. They couldn’t have. They voted their dogma without reading the bill.

  • SueInCa : maybe it was vawa

  • ChrisR266 : Funk: Bwaaaahahahahaha ! You made me guffaw! That is so unlady-like for me, LMAO!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sue…don’t think so. Would they really ok the cut in funds for women’s health…and big ones to pay for this.

  • funksands : No offense. ;-)

  • funksands : I’m sorry. The Buckeyes suck ass.

  • SueInCa : Murph I thought the senate voted today too?

  • ChrisR266 : Funk: generally, yes I am. Thus the postings of OH-IO.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…the student loan vote is another GOP ploy…it will be stopped in the Senate or by the President….fir ming up their out-of-their-min ds base….I am convinced that Boehner and the GOP insiders know Romney is a goner…so today was about holding the House and his speakership. What an ass.

  • SueInCa : That is funny I told my grandson if he watched a bit of football he could consider it sunday school

  • funksands : Chris, are you a Buckeyes fan?

  • ChrisR266 : Sue: Bwaaahahaha! in our house, Sundays are worship services to the gods of turf management

  • SueInCa : Chris I think Obama may make some noise about veto what the hell will they do when and if Scotus strikes down the HC bill

  • funksands : Anyone know why Stafford loans are charging 6.8% anyway? I’d thought the govt. rates would be better?

  • funksands : Anyone know why s

  • ChrisR266 : All: I am curious, though, what all thought about the vote in the House today. Student loan interest stays down for another year, but women can forget about help with preventative health care…

  • SallyT : How sad for her, Funk!

  • SueInCa : Heck Watson I meant wear. Chris my husband is baseball and football only I call sundays here the church of football

  • funksands : Why Sally, I never../.

  • SallyT : Funk, fun for you but how was it for her?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…sounds as if you have a handle on this and I will take your direction in regards to tossing a big rock in the listserv pond

  • SueInCa : He watches Giants not SanDiego they are just helping the Giants get excercise

  • ChrisR266 : Sue: This is the only time of the year that my husband isn’t doing the same. I get a reprieve until August.

  • SueInCa : Well Watson I do were no line bifocals

  • funksands : San Diego? Geez, I’d be asleep in 10 minutes watching the Padres play.

  • SallyT : Sherlock, you aren’t lame, just farsighted.

  • funksands : Some would call it fun….

  • SueInCa : My husband is being a sofa coach for the Giants SanDiego game again

  • AdLib : Friend at the door, BRB!

  • AdLib : Hey Funk! Long time no see!

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: You know, I’ve already made my name around these parts, if they want to come after me, they’ve had ample opportunity to do so. And, they’ve tried, but I’m clean. So that is not my concern.

  • SallyT : Funk, you haven’t been around for awhile. Having fun?

  • funksands : Hi Murph! Miz Sally…

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Night KT

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Funk…just love typing that name.

  • SallyT : Ok, you can go KT. Funk is here and he usually keeps me busy.

  • funksands : Hi Chris / Sue!

  • SueInCa : Watson I am lame like tha

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…maybe you could write the article under Anonymous? I know campus politics and if this thing becomes hot I would not want you on the grill.

  • SallyT : Well, Sherlock, I have to kept track of KT for one thing. And why the hell can’t you finish a sentence?

  • ChrisR266 : Funk!

  • SueInCa : Now Bashir I love hey funk

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: Those are my views of choice, as well

  • funksands : Howdy everyone.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib..I watch Press in the AM, Bashir, Maddow, O’Donnell, and Granholm pretty regularly.

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: Let me think on that. I’ll let you know, for sure.

  • SueInCa : Watson whats it to you? LOL I just had to do tha

  • ChrisR266 : Good to talk with you , KT. Enjoy the weekend.

  • SueInCa : Nite KT have a peaceful sleep

  • SallyT : KT, where are you going?

  • KillgoreTrout : Well Planeteers, sleep tight and don’t let the bed bugs bite. It’s been an enjoyable evening.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…if you post an article I could pass it on to my contact and suggest it go to the listserv…IF you think this would ok.

  • SueInCa : No problem Murph I am always glad to do a write up on them

  • AdLib : Murph – Its no reflection on te Current TV lineup but I’m kind of burned out on tv news talk hosts, just so much babble and repetition on MSNBC it’s burned me out for the time being. When I get it out of my system, I’ll check out Current TV more often. I am glad they’re doing fine after KO quit. He’s ruined his career, as he’s been trying to do throughout most of it. Tired of him and his ego.

  • ChrisR266 : As I’m thinking about it, I recall that in 2008, the GOP candidate stuck mainly to private campuses, as well. Chickens they all are.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sue…I will contact AdLib…I need help on this…I do not have the depth of background and it is a difficult topic. Only the right seems to be able to talk about religion with impunity. But you do it very well.

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: ok. thanks.

  • SueInCa : Heck adlib it turned out to be a funny dream in retrorespect I will put it in OT sometime this weekend. Everyone will get a laugh especially when I write on the RR all the time

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…I don’t have access to it, but I know those who do…will followup

  • KillgoreTrout : Thanks Murph!

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: spill. what’s the list serve?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT….wonderful

  • AdLib : Sue – Sorry you’re night’s sleep was disrupted by the evil behind the Romney team. My prescription is take one Obama speech before bedtime.

  • SueInCa : Murph I would you can get my email from Adlib and give me a bit more of an idea where you are taking this. In a nutshell he is going to have a hard time

  • ChrisR266 : AdLib: will try to do. I’m going to try to get it done this weekend, as things will be crazy next week or two.

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, The Planet Kolub POV?

  • SallyT : No problem AdLib. I enjoy doing it. But one of these nights you are going to have to give me a ride home.

  • AdLib : Sally – Appreciate your closing the bar with me most nights!

  • KillgoreTrout : Sue, gotta keep that fire burning!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : SueinCa…as part of your religion insights series…would you ever think of putting together something re. the likely and real world influence of Romney’s LDS life as a top ranking leader in the denomination affecting his presidency?

  • SueInCa : Kt I think they will eventually

  • KillgoreTrout : The Obama camp should bring back the theme “FIRED UP and READY TO GO!”

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris and AdLib…there is a campus administrators network (large listserv) which such an article would really inform…..

  • SueInCa : Adlib he owns so much and keeps hidden that is scary

  • AdLib : Chris – Great photos and comparison. Would love to post that at The Planet…maybe in your article?

  • SueInCa : Miller was awkward Bill was pretty go the time I watched them

  • AdLib : Sue – I know who Anschutz is and his having control over NBC only makes things worse.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Has anyone tuned in to current for Bill Press or Stephanie Miller in the AM…along with Spitzer and Granholm Current is recovering nicely from the Olberman debacle…IMO

  • SallyT : Hi and bye Sabreen???? Hope to spend more time with you later on here.

  • SueInCa : LATER SABEEN

  • AdLib : Night Sabreen! Have a nice weekend!

  • KillgoreTrout : Take it easy Sabreen.

  • SallyT : I here to help you, AdLib, at closing.

  • ChrisR266 : Have a relaxing weekend, Sabreen.

  • ChrisR266 : Sally: Hi girl. Yes, I agree you are correct.

  • Sabreen60 : Hi Sally. Geez, I got called to the phone and forgot my manners. I’m gonna run guys, take care and hope to run into you on Twitter, here or somewhere this week :-)

  • AdLib : Hey Sally!

  • SallyT : Chris, those two crowds show also a difference in the color and I notice that there are more girls behind Obama than Romney.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib..after the Scarborough show this morning with Mika playing Tinkerbell to his Peter Pan….I wrote a scathing note to MSNBC and then called them. Scarborough spent 40 minutes mocking Obama’s foreign policy credentials and Bidens speech from yesterday. When he was joined by Joe Klein who took him on, Scarborough cut the segment short.

  • SueInCa : Chris I cannot wait to read that TPM Thanks Adlib I worked hard on them. I seem to keep going to the dark side I hd a bad dream last nite after researching the OAK iNITIATIVE

  • ChrisR266 : It’s intersting. Some students are trying to defray the impact of the two photos, as if the “mainstream media”were trying to make the Otterbein kids “look bored.” It’s all about saving face now, you know.

  • SallyT : Hi there KT!

  • AdLib : Sue – Excellent! Great timing for the 2nd part of your Romney series. BTW, I spoke with a very politically minded friend who I have been trying to encourage to visit The Planet more and he told me he read your first Romney article and really appreciated it. So passing along the props.

  • KillgoreTrout : AH, Sally has come down from the balcony! What’s up?

  • SueInCa : does everyone know who anschutz is?

  • SallyT : Chris it opened for me and that is good! The crowds do show a difference!

  • ChrisR266 : Sue: I don’t know. I suspect that they knew they couldn’t jump through OSU’s hoops, so they pinned us since McCain had come in 2008, and thought we’d be easy pickings.

  • SueInCa : chris it did adlib since anschutz bought nbc it has been slowly turning right

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…it did..

  • KillgoreTrout : Chris, it worked for me. Quite a telling set of photos.

  • ChrisR266 : Let me know if that link I just inserted opens up.

  • AdLib : Sue – So true, it’s still a little hard for many to accept that news channels, even MSNBC, are intentionally manipulating what they broadcast as “news” to advance the interests of the corporations that own them. But it’s true. They did indeed act as collaborators with the Tea Party…CNN even partnered with the Tea Party for debates! Partnered! They absolutely can’t be trusted to expose lies, whether they’re aware of them or not.

  • ChrisR266 : «link»

  • SueInCa : chris how did theypick your university

  • SueInCa : well that was dumb i am writing in the dark lol romney staff information

  • ChrisR266 : The kids everyone is spouting about as not being as excited and engaged as they were in 08 will come out and vote. And I can tell you right now who they’ll be voting for. It ain’t going to be Romney.

  • SueInCa : I am working on the 2 piece to romney

  • KillgoreTrout : Chris, some links just won’t work on Vox Populi. I had trouble with them last week. They will still be there tomorrow on PPOV’s regular pages.

  • AdLib : Chris – Fantastic! Really looking forward to your article on this!

  • AdLib : Sue – Yep, I have really given up on watching much cable news including MSNBC. Maddow is still good and I like Bashir but Matthews is such a hack now, shilling for the “make the race close” meme.

  • SueInCa : Look how long it took for media to show Tbaggers were getting noone to their rallies and only after CNN got called out on their own lie about participants did they tell the truth

  • ChrisR266 : They work for me, of course, LOL>

  • ChrisR266 : I’m sorry I can’t get these links to open up. But, I will try to get a story up this weekend.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…sorry the fb link and address not working, but we are getting the picture and you did a fantastic back story job…please do an article for us….it will be well read and used.

  • ChrisR266 : AdLib: Agreed. Only some of the “inside the beltway” pundits

  • SueInCa : Adlib I am not paying much attention to any of them. They all have shown how weak they are

  • AdLib : Chris – And one of the MSM’s BS memes, in their desperation to make it a nail biter of a race is to say, “Well, if unemployment stays high or the recovery slows, Obama is in big trouble.” Just because voters are displeased with a slow recovery…it doesn’t mean they’re going to blindly vote for the guy who will drive the recovery off a cliff.

  • SueInCa : KT i would agree

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sue…just read the TPM story….great. I am going to have to come back and mine this entire thread.

  • SueInCa : Yes Murph that was the pic showing both

  • KillgoreTrout : The GOP has spent the last several years alienating at least half of all Americans. More if you include women who under assault from the “moral majority.” I remeber a bumperstick from a couple of decades ago the read “The Moral Majority is Neither.”

  • ChrisR266 : try this: www.facebook.com /photo.php?fbid= 3871260062405&se t=a.297258787616 2.2157096.130572 2950&type=1&ref= nf Let’s hope it’s not locked down.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sue…saw the link and went to it, TP story, yes?

  • SueInCa : Murph check my link below about Chris school

  • ChrisR266 : AdLib: Exactly. The PTB are going to try to make this a race, but the race is all but over. People of the groups you just listed don’t forget. And, they vote on what they remember.

  • KillgoreTrout : Exactly Ad. I just read today that Latino voters in Fla. are not too thrilled with Romney.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris….your link is not working at FB

  • SueInCa : «link» It was TP

  • AdLib : Despite the MSM push to make it a close race, how close can this race really get when young voters, women, Latinos, AAs, just about every major demo is heavily weighted against him?

  • ChrisR266 : Thanks, Murph. Fundamentalist and/or evangelical we are not! But hoodwinked (and somewhat hogtied) I think we were.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bye Bourne….the discussion was about Romney but from a totally unexpected angle….

  • KillgoreTrout : I don’t think I could eat a bite with Romney at the table.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris I was having some “bad thoughts” about your school today when I first saw the coverage (thinking Evangelical Fundamentalist Clonetank) and then I read up on it….SO GLAD that you were here tonight…I have pass the link to this discussion on two five other “professors” and we have all pledged to let our campuses know about the game that was played. My question, will the story become a big story when it says so much about the inner workings of this liar’s campaign.

  • ChrisR266 : «link»

  • ChrisR266 : I have three of the students who ate lunch with Romney as well as 5 more that were invited to the roundtable and “lecture” in classes on Monday. I can’t wait to hear what they have to say about it all.

  • SueInCa : Both go to blank fb

  • ChrisR266 : Sue: YEP!

  • SueInCa : Chris is this your school? «link»

  • ChrisR266 : «link»

  • ChrisR266 : Everybody, click on the link I just posted. It summarizes the day, exactly.

  • KillgoreTrout : Enjoy you’re evening Bourne. Nice to have you with us.

  • AdLib : Chris – That link didn’t work, can you try again?

  • ChrisR266 : Got it, Sue: «link»

  • ChrisR266 : Sue: I saw that! I’ll see if I can get back to that, too.

  • AdLib : Night Bourne, have a great weekend!

  • BourneID : Everyone…been interesting. I’m leaving in abut 10 minutes; saying good night now.

  • SueInCa : Adlib how can they when they lie too?

  • KillgoreTrout : chris, I am glad to hear that. The Dispatch could use some unbiased journalism for a change. They were practically married to Bush.

  • SueInCa : Chris that does not surprise me at all TPm had a pic today contrasting Obma and Romney with college crowds I will go get it and post it here it is hilarious

  • BourneID : We;; tjeu gpt what he paid for – we’ll have to wait and see.

  • ChrisR266 : We shouldn’t even be arguing this. It IS all about the fact that there’s a black guy in the White House.

  • AdLib : Bourne – I wonder…a majority of Repubs still wish they had a different candidate. I don’t see the Repub pundits supporting Romney as much as I see them saying, “We need to beat Obama.” I’d propose that the Repub voters just want Obama out but not as much, Romney in.

  • ChrisR266 : KT: Yes, me, too. At least at first. But he is the first one to admit that he had “forgot” about that part of himself and it reared its head like a titan this year. He actually had the kids working on the statewide “open records” check with staff from papers all over the state, and he got them to do their own expose on campus police policies and exemptions that ran in other college newspapers all over the state. Can’t say his name here, but he’s the editor married to one of the editors in the life and style section of the CD.

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, I truly believe that. The GOPer leaders can’t be overtly racist, but it just kills them to know they have an Afro American in the white house. They don’t call it the WHITE house for nuthin!

  • BourneID : The voting repubs believe him; the average guy who thnks a cEO of a corp is a perfect fit for the WH. They count much

  • AdLib : Do you think most Repubs know that Romney is a compulsive liar?

  • AdLib : Bourne – I don’t know, I don’t think even most Repubs agree with Romney. They just want their team to win and they want the black man out of the White House.

  • KillgoreTrout : Chris, the dispatch has a “maverick editor?” Wow, that surprises me a great deal.

  • AdLib : Chris – Don’t know if you saw my comment below but any chance you could write an article recapping what happened before, during and after Romney’s visit to yous campus?

  • ChrisR266 : Sue: That bus in wasn’t here, but they did have to bring in the community because the students and faculty wouldn’t attend. That was another shit show, I can tell you.

  • SueInCa : I think romney is having the same problem

  • BourneID : Adlib most people who agree with Romney are not in disbelief about anything he does; they’re in disbelief that we don’t get it. As to not using the student – not nice but the most effective way toadvertise how incompetent one is

  • AdLib : Sue – Yes, I remember and even so, he had smaller turnouts than Palin’s speeches! What an embarrassment!

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: Yeah, we do, thanks. And, it’s working. We actually hired a maverick editor from the Columbus Dispatch to advise the newspaper this year. It has been absolutely fantastic. He has claimed nirvana experience this year with the kids (I think all editors secretly aspire to get back to their young gun roots), and the kids did some fantastic work this year. It’s been great.

  • SueInCa : Adlib remember when McCain had all thos students bussed in to make his crowd look better?

  • AdLib : Chris – I have absolutely nothing against any school allowing Romney to speak on their campus. My issue is the same as yours and the sharp students there, that a university shouldn’t take orders from a campaign to act as an arm of its campaign and compromise its own integrity in the process, just to host a candidate. I accept that the President was played by Romney’s campaign and had the best of intentions. Most people are in disbelief at the lengths Romney’s campaign goes to when it comes to being deceitful and she wouldn’t be the first to underestimate him.

  • SueInCa : Occupy sure is hitting Wells Fargo hard that shareholders meeting was a mess

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris….can’t wait to view it….love student efforts…and when they integrate with wider campus efforts….you actually have the basis for a learning community.

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: we merged the media with 360 two years ago. It’s working very well, and encouraging a barrel of collaboration among leaders of all three media arms. It’s been a real epiphany for the students, and for us. Just a bitch to get off the ground.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris….been there….done that…and it still pisses me off

  • Sabreen60 : Murph, I believe the retired colonel used the word “lunacy” when referring to the Repub candidates.

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: You speaketh truth.

  • AdLib : Sabreen – Yes, the “too cool” attack is as lame as McCain’s 2008 “He’s a clebrity” attack. They have nothing but the nasty and the lie, some are very lame like this one. Remember, their one and only tactic is to churn out negativity daily on anything Obama does. They think that will bring down Obama’s numbers but as we saw in the GOP Promaries, it will sink Romney even deeper.

  • SueInCa : They just made him more personable the one you DO want to have a drink with

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris….thank you…I think I may have a new bookmark.

  • KillgoreTrout : Sue the GOPers are labeling Obama as a “celebrity president.” You know how terrible those left wing celebrities are! LOL!

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: www.otterbein360 .com Most all of the penned articles are here. I know they’re probably still editing audio and video, so it might not be up yet.

  • SueInCa : I thought the cool ad was a great one for Obama

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris….why Bd of Trustees do not like faculties….you all think…really think….they love buildings….no thinking

  • KillgoreTrout : Sabreen, “being cool,” something that Romney will ever be accused of.

  • ChrisR266 : AdLib: We have a relatively new University President (her third year), and I think she genuinely thought this might be good for the campus re exposure. It was, although in a way she did not forsee. We’ll see if she’s learned anything from this. Remember, we’re a private, Methodist affiliated (loosely) institution, and the BoT is a politically conservative lot.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Sabreen…retire d Col who was on Colin Powell’s staff and is a lifetime GOPer who is really ticked off with his party…

  • Sabreen60 : …I’ve MISSED you. I must proof before I click “Send”.

  • Sabreen60 : Thanks for the welcome guys. I’ve you the last couple of weeks. I have been fascinated (?) with the crying and whining coming from Romney and his camp. Have you seen the ad that depicts the President as being too cool? Also, did anyone catch the retired colonel on Schultz’s show? I usually don’t watch, but this was a damn good segment.

  • AdLib : Killgore – Bingo! Wall Street just wants a tool in the White House that they can use to get what they want, not someone with a mind of their own and principles that could get in their way. And if anyone is a tool, it’s Romney.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris LINK please to your campus newspaper and the editorial….I really want to pass this on….

  • ChrisR266 : Suffice it to say that the whole day was a debacle for the Romney campaign (although I don’t think they know this at all). Our kids were all over social media tweeting, posting, commenting, uploading photos, and generally making good old liberal nuisances of themselves. I couldn’t have been prouder. Further, after the event, one of the editorial staff posted an opinion piece, well argued, that posited that Romney was “wholly unprepared to be President of the U.S.” I was so proud!

  • AdLib : Chris – It sounds like the dishonesty of the Romney campaign simply acted like The Blob and engulfed the unsuspecting school. All their lies were taken on good faith and unwittingly, the school admin became megaphones for lies and deceit. Or did some rationalize that all this dishonesty was just the way political campaigns have to be…and something they have to conform to? And I’m referring solely to the Admin who passed all the requests and lies down.

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey Sabreen! Glad to “see you.”

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…I think the O campaign needs to say what you are saying: Romney is a liar….not a flip flopper, not an etch a sketcher, not a pragmatist….an outright liar….

  • ChrisR266 : Sabreen: That was the holy hell cap to what was a sham of a pseudoevent. I watched our kids’ faces when he said that. What an unequivocal ass he is!

  • KillgoreTrout : I get a feeling that the GOP doesn’t really want a smart president. I think they want anouthe GW Bush type, so they can easily manipulate his strings.

  • AdLib : Hey Sabreen! Welcome!

  • AdLib : KT and Sue – Agreed, Obama and his team will decimate ROmney in debates because all he has is lies. They had better have Obama well prepared for all nature of lies Romney will deliver because that would seem to be the strategy, flood Obama with so many lies about him that he won’t have the time to knock them all down.

  • ChrisR266 : AdLib: Indeed, it was. And, as it played out today, it was wholly offensive to just about every constituency on campus. The worst of it is, Westerville (where we are) is Kasich’s old congressional district. People didn’t think through the fact that he was probably going to show up, too. I got a text from a dear faculty friend during the event, she was describing to me the stunning moment of looking out her office window and realizing the “cleaning service” she was told would be on the roof of the next building was in actuality SS snipers, and they were looking right at her, LMAO!

  • KQµårk 死神 : How could either side really trust Romney at this point?

  • BourneID : Chris Bourne again Send my thanks to all the students at your university for helping keep attentio on what an ass Romney and his handlers are. Handlers are amateurs. This is the kind of stuff that brings people down. You don’t mess with young, smart college kids.

  • Sabreen60 : Hiya folks. I’ve read all the comments and I’m looking forward to hearing some more Chris! I did hear Romney tell students to ask “Mom and Dad” for money. So a kid is going to ask for $25k and up for undergrad and $200k for med school and the average middle class mom & dad will just write a check. What a douche.

  • KQµårk 死神 : That is interesting Sue. I thought Freep would go for Romney at least for his hawkish ways.

  • SueInCa : According to Daily KOs yes BRB

  • AdLib : Sue – Very interesting, FREEP isn’t endorsing Romney?

  • ChrisR266 : All: I could write a post, I suppose. I was so hot about it all by this afternoon, I just couldn’t talk without cussing and swearing.

  • KillgoreTrout : I agree KQ. If he is the best they have, then they are in real trouble as a political party.

  • SueInCa : BRB

  • ChrisR266 : So, My seniors come to class at noon, pissed about all the students who had been summarily “unvited” to the event, some who were still invited all dressed in formal business attire because they were told to do so, expecting this huge roundtable session about “higher education issues.

  • AdLib : Chris – This whole event has to be so offensive to those professors teaching journalism. They spend their time teaching the ethics and principles of journalism then Romney descends on the campus and through his actions, tells them that freedom of the press and allowing the press to report the truth is obscured by the powerful.

  • KQµårk 死神 : KT I’ve never seen a candidate be so negative all the time. Usually a candidate, especially a candidate who is not an incumbent starts out with a positive case to vote FOR them. Even Repugs quietly hate Romney’s campaign.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris, I was very involved with the Obama campaign in ’08- our staging of campus events was all about where do we find enough signs and how do you keep the kids from interrupting him with cheers and shout outs.

  • SueInCa : Romney’s policy cash in a trust account

  • KillgoreTrout : Romney’s education policy….borrow money from your parents.

  • SueInCa : Chris is sounds like a gigantic mess

  • KillgoreTrout : Same here Sue. Take away Romney’s lies, and he is as naked as a newborn babe. Obama will decimate him.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib and Chris…..yes. Please do an article….this would be so valuable.

  • ChrisR266 : AdLib: No, they brought in GOP “dignitaries” from the central OHIO community to listen to the lecture along with the kids. It wasn’t a lecture, it was a campaign speech kicking off his education platform.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Chris I second that humble request.

  • AdLib : Chris – Could I convince you to write a post about what happened today with Romney on your campus?

  • BourneID : Chris Are Romney’s handlers just plain stuid and rude or are they afraid the students are going to ask questions he can’t answer.

  • KQµårk 死神 : AdLib before RW radio, corporate media and Faux News a presidential candidate would never get away with lying the way Romney does. He makes Nixon look like a truth teller.

  • SueInCa : Oh KT i cannot wait for thos debates you know how Obama prepares he will kill him

  • ChrisR266 : Now, after all this crap, the President of the University finally makes a formal announcement this a.m. that Candidate Romney is visiting campus to hold and “education roundtable” and give a “guest lecture” to an ecomonics class (which we now know was the “request” by the Romney campaign staff.

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, I don’t think Romney will get away with lying in the presidential debates, like he did in the GOP primary debates.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris….knew that….just got excited….doing three things at once.

  • SueInCa : Adlib free republic made a stmt he would not allow romney followers to post on his site

  • AdLib : Chris – So were the uninvited the ones who didn’t fit the rigged requirements or did they cancel the “lecture”?

  • SueInCa : Adlib

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: fyi, I’m a she. Not to worry, not bothered by it.

  • SueInCa : Chris so was it a mess sounds like it

  • AdLib : KQ – ROmney is the most obvious liar I’ve ever seen run for public office. I simply don’t believe he can ever escape the cumulative negativity that most Americans feel towards him as a dishonest douche.

  • SueInCa : Bourne That is great I met one from half moon and one from SF on twitter

  • ChrisR266 : It was so bad at one point, that our campus student media were told that they would not be issued credentials to cover the event! Thank goodness that many of them were also on the list of “invited, employed graduating seniors” who were going to be at the event anyway, and did not get disinvited. Our Media advisor threw a fit and the students were issued credentials this morning.

  • SueInCa : Not much all I bet the visit was not all that well attended

  • BourneID : Hi SueinCA How are you. I met 7 fellow Caifornians this week; 2 from Sacramento.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Great to see you Sue!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Hey Sue….Chris is telling us about Romney at his University today…absolute ly fascinating

  • KillgoreTrout : Sue is in da house! What’s up?

  • ChrisR266 : AdLib: that’s the thing: the people charged with the inviting were not told for what they were inviting the students! Then, when they were told to send out the “un-invites,” they found out what was going on.

  • KQµårk 死神 : AdLib Romney is running not just lying but runs as opaque a campaign as he can. FFS he even edits editorials that choose him.

  • AdLib : Hey Sue! Nice to see ya!

  • KillgoreTrout : Doing great Chris, hope the same for you.

  • SueInCa : Hi there how is every1 tonite?

  • ChrisR266 : Hi Kilgore! How are you dear sir?

  • ChrisR266 : The event was not open to any other faculty, staff, students, or administration on campus. Closed to the public as well. By Thursday evening, some invited students started receiving “unvited” e-mails from the organizers, telling them that they would no longer be needed to attend the roundtable or the “lecture” to follow.

  • AdLib : Chris – Is that ethical for your school to “cast” a slanted audience for Romney? Kids who don’t have jobs lined out were barred? What’s up with that?

  • KQµårk 死神 : Yeah I’m pretty proud of the little sucker.

  • KillgoreTrout : Chris, I hope they all had a little Dramamine with them.

  • ChrisR266 : By Thursday afternoon, a number of students had been invited by e-mail to attend a “roundtable session” with Romney about education issues, and then a larger speech with Romney, Kasich, and an invited group of guests.

  • KQµårk 死神 : It’s really Obama and a few left leaning pundits that have not joined the outrage train against a whole MSM and right wing infrastructure.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris….go for it….I will cut and paste the whole thing later…wonderfu l.

  • KillgoreTrout : I guess the RWs are slamming Obama for being “cool.” Well, that’s one thing they’ll never have to worry about with Romney. Every time he tries to “be cool,” he falls flat on his face.

  • AdLib : KQ – Very cool, cheers and props to your nephew and your sister for helping make it a reality!

  • AdLib : KQ – So true. This last week there was a concerted meme from the MSM on Obama being mean towards Romney! Huh? Where’s the “Romney’s lying again because his lips are moving” meme from the MSM? One candidate plainly lies and attacks falsely non-stop and the other candidate responds with honest attacks back…but because he’s the favorite, Obama is “mean”.

  • KQµårk 死神 : On foreign policy the Romney team is even worse. They seriously think we are still in the cold war with ‘the Soviets’ and ‘Czechoslovakia ‘.

  • ChrisR266 : AdLib: ok, I’ll do it in spurts. I’m on the faculty, Communication Department. Been her 22 years. We have majors in Comm studies, Broadcasting, Journalism, Public Relations. Damned well respected. The Faculty as a whole got this cryptic e-mail Wednesday afternoon from Career planning services office, asking us to recommend “graduating seniors who had already secured employment” for an event happening on campus on Friday. That was it. Of course a number of us sent in names, as our kids are getting jobs. Most of them have jobs secured. The next day, in the Columbus Dispatch, is an article about Obama kicking off his campaign at OSU on the 5th, and at the e3nd, a blurb about Romney coming to Otterbein on Friday. The campus at large had not yet been told of the event.

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, I think it’a hilarious!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT Nugent is a worm and someone dropped a rock on him. Good

  • BourneID : Agree Murph. The beginning of a long line of disgusting, completely disconnected understandig of people.

  • KillgoreTrout : I see Teddy boy is upset that Ft. Knox cancelled hi upcoming gig. As uausual he is whining about the 1st amemendment. RWs just never seem to understand how the 1st amendment actually works.

  • AdLib : Bourne – And Romney has a $200 million trust set up for his kids, he just doesn’t understand why all parents don’t do that for their kids.

  • KQµårk 死神 : At least my little nephew (sorry not cousin) is doing a good thing and started a sustainable organic farm.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…the one dollar story is horrid….I need to add that to my Romney file….gross really….demean ing and stingy.

  • AdLib : Chris – Yes, please do recount the K-Sick/R-Money debacle out there today!

  • ChrisR266 : Well, I don’t think you have to worry about all the young voters in Central Ohio after today, Romney blew it big time. Colossal.

  • AdLib : Killgore – Heh!

  • KQµårk 死神 : I’m so tired too of people complaining about Dems not getting out the message. When are people going to realize the MSM is now as rigged as much against the Dems as the rest of the system is rigged against workers.

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, definitely. No surprise for sure. I just find it amazing how they can do a perfect 180 whatever the occasion/issue.

  • BourneID : Last year, when Romney was at a outdoor fund raising event in a small community, a family that had lost their job was talking to him. Their little boy was with them. Romney took out his wallet, searched through a pretty sizable pack of bills, fond a $1.00 biill and gave it to the boy. That speaks to me of his character. So borrow money from your parents is pretty grandiose suggestion.

  • AdLib : KQ – Love that “borrow” quote from Romney. It’s as bad as saying, “Just ask your father to use his political contacts and money to get you into Harvard.”

  • AdLib : Killgore – Yep but that’s what they’ve been doing for a long time. Think back to the Bush Admin and their accusing Dems and all their adversaries as dangerous and unAmerican while they were spying on Americans and secretly torturing people.

  • KQµårk 死神 : My cousin was lucking to do just that but only because my sister-in-law inherited from her parents a little nest egg. But few are as lucky as my cousin to have parents about to shell out six figures.

  • KillgoreTrout : The Flat Earth Society has a film out now called “Across the World in 80 days. ;)

  • ChrisR266 : Ok, I’m back. Sorry about the interruption. Haven’t been home at 10 on a friday lately, so I wasn’t anticipating that. Want some dirt on today?

  • KQµårk 死神 : How about Romney’s recent tone dead comment. Just ‘borrow money from your parents, start a business’ to paraphrase.

  • AdLib : Bourne – Lundgren probably squeezed in that meeting after chairing the Flat Earth Society convention that day.

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, they are talking all the patriotic crappola, but defend a guy who disses the CIC!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…all that is recounted is that he was embedded in the GOP staff in the House. How? Don’t know.

  • BourneID : Murph, did Draper say how he got the info?

  • KQµårk 死神 : Usually the recounting of events in such books are the best reading Murph.

  • AdLib : Killgore – Why should we ever be surprised when Repubs howl in feigned outrage at anything and everything, no matter how unAmerican or hypocritical? I’d be surprised if they didn’t magnify and warp everything Obama does.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Good to official meet you too Bourn though I like the comments I’ve seen from you.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KQ…his description of that night and that dinner is gripping.

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey Sally, you in da house?

  • KQµårk 死神 : I’m not surprised Murph. To be honest I stopped read pol books because they are always old news and rarely offer insight.

  • BourneID : KQ I haven’t met you but I’m glad you brought up the Draper book. I am fascinated by it. My rep, Lundgren, was at the meeting. Time to say goodbye to him.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KQ…the draper book is just ok….lots of filler….and not the best writing….but it is ALL worthwhile for the story of that dinner on inauguration night when our elected leaders entered into a conspiracy to overturn an election.

  • AdLib : KQ – Yep, I remember those discussions. There was no need to keep that conspiracy of blocking Obama a secret, they wanted all in the GOP to know what they were doing and support them. It was no secret, DeMint made it clear at the outset.

  • KillgoreTrout : I was on a thread earlier, about the Marine that got booted for dissing Obama on FB. Of course the righties blamed Obama. What a bunch of douches.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…great, waiting with bated breath…..does that mean it smells of worms.

  • ChrisR266 : Hi KQ! be right back.

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: I got to answer the phone, and then I’ll return tout suite and spill the gory details. It’s unbelievable, even to cynical me.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT…good to see you

  • KQµårk 死神 : AdLib I’m sure you remember when the Planet started we talked about woo woos and conspiracies. My contention was all conspiracies are more or less know. Now Robert Draper has come out with a book that said GOP leaders met near the inauguration and their only goal was to get back into power through obstruction. The real sad part is these open conspiracies work.

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey Murph and Quark!

  • AdLib : Hey KQ! Great to see ya!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…YES,YES, YES, Details….I am a retired college professor and my inquiring mind wants to know.

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: WE all saw the same coverage, ha! So did the world! that made my day. It’s a story that has lots of detail, so you all know if and or when you want details tonight.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Hey folks.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CHris….watched the whole thing….those young people looked SOOOOOO bored and listless. A few times, as when he said they should borrow their college tuition from mom and dad, there were many rolling eyes and sidelong glances….who got those poor kids there?

  • ChrisR266 : AdLib: I left at 2 because I wanted to watch coverage. I live about 3 miles away, and it was a much less f’d up place to be.

  • AdLib : Chris – K-Sick and R-Money on a double bill? You must have a cast iron stomach.

  • AdLib : Chris – Oh! I was out of pocket most of the day. Who sanitized the campus after ROmney left?

  • ChrisR266 : Hello Bourne, nice to meet you.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Hey Bourne

  • ChrisR266 : Murph: Yep, I teach at Otterbein, where Romney was (with Kasich) today.

  • BourneID : Hi AdLib; Chris I don’t think I’ve met you. Hi Murph.

  • AdLib : Chris – What was going on today?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Chris…what campus? are you in Ohio….????

  • AdLib : Hey Murph! Hope you’re doing well!

  • AdLib : Hey Bourne! What I learned years ago in Speed Reading is to try and see a whole line of text and you can read much faster.

  • KillgoreTrout : Well Ad, busy is good!

  • ChrisR266 : Hi Murph! Yes, it has been a few weeks. I’m trying to get this semester over with, and Romney was on campus today, which was aggravating to no end!

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey Bourne. I left a few comments, but no articles.

  • AdLib : Killgore – Doing pretty well though looks to be a busy weekend for me.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Hello there…esp. Chris who I have not “seen” forever it seems.

  • BourneID : Hi all…please don’t talk so fast tonight. I’m still in training. I’ll be spending most of the night listening – please be interesting. Hey KT, I came to the planet a couple of times this week, but I didn’t see any wrting from you.

  • ChrisR266 : Hi AdLib: I am fine and well tonight. Not out to dinner, had a hell of a day here in Ohio, so thought I’d pop in, say hey and chat with you all.

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey Ad. All is well, I hope the same in your case.

  • AdLib : Hi Killgore! Hope all is well your way!

  • AdLib : Hey Chris, how are you this evening?

  • KillgoreTrout : HI!

  • ChrisR266 : Evening, All.

  • AdLib : Don’t forget to say “hi” when you arrive!

  • AdLib : Vox Populi, our live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7 pm. See you then!

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  • AdLib : Thanks!

  • SallyT : Good night to you, too. Have a good rest.

  • AdLib : Always appreciate your closing the VP bar with me! Thanks so much Sally and sleep well!

  • AdLib : Night Sally! I’ll be sending out GROW updates next week to fill folks in on what we’ve got cooking! Have a great weekend.

  • SallyT : You know, AdLib, we have to stop meeting like this.

  • SallyT : I hate helium balloons. When they start going down the remind me of my boobs!

  • choicelady : AdLib – it’s a deal. Go with GROW. We will talk early in the week indeed. Now it’s off to dreamland for me, too. Have a wonderful weekend everybody!

  • AdLib : CL – That’s why I always juggle helium balloons…never dropped one yet!

  • SallyT : Night to you, too, CL. I will see you later, too.

  • AdLib : CL – Not at all! Have a wonderful weekend yourself and lets catch up on GROW and all next week, we’ve got people raring to go here!

  • choicelady : Cher – Kleenex is perfect! It never makes a racket when it finally floats to the ground! Wise choice!

  • choicelady : Goodnight, Cher – I think I’m following suit. Poor AdLib got an earful of my awful week this week, so I won’t belabor it here! Take care, thank you for all you do for us, and have a GREAT weekend! Hugs!

  • Chernynkaya : Gonna juggle Kleenex from now on!

  • SallyT : Good night, Cher! See you later if you aren’t to busy. But, if you are juggling, you keep all those balls in the air, you hear me!

  • AdLib : Night Cher! Have a great weekend!!!

  • choicelady : Cher – dropping plates means you probably want to juggle, oh, tennis balls or something? I decided at my last birthday that I would no longer multi-task. I would unitask. And MAYBE I’d get that one thing done right and well before moving on. I’ve had to start telling people I cannot handle things because it’s not fair to agree to do stuff then back out. It’s amazing how poorly people take that – but it’s the only way I can survive!

  • AdLib : Sally – When The Planet started, there was big turmoil at HP and we did a lot of exposes about HP, I learned a lot just from doing research I had never thought of doing while I blogged there. Though The Planet is well known at HP, we still didn’t want to be seen as the anti-HP site so we dialed back our hammering on HP. After all, we’ve pretty much covered every issue over there. Still, on occasion, it’s good to update folks.

  • Chernynkaya : Guys, the girls just came home and are demanding attention and making a racket. I’ll say adieu for the night. Have fun!

  • choicelady : AdLib – oh, that’s too, too funny!

  • choicelady : Yes – I think the Wicked Witches are losing their followers and their clout. I know some folks are still radiating in her glow, but overall, I think it’s all fading as they are shown to be frauds. How AH thinks she can say in one breath “Obama is just not that into you” and then snuggle with Newt without our noticing is absolutely mindblowing!

  • SallyT : But, CL, you are right, she hasn’t been in the sunlight too much lately. Vampire!

  • Chernynkaya : AL, I’ve noticed that none of the MSNBC shows have Firebaggers on. just Fineman. and he’s not really an emo–just a nothingburger.

  • AdLib : CL – At the same time, while Arianna reveled in the influence she had last year and the year before, when the whole Purist/EomProg thing was going strong (haven’t seen Jane Hamsher on a show for a long time!), she’s lost a lot of juice since and doesn’t have the same kind of spotlight and command over people there as she did.

  • SallyT : CL,I wasn’t meaning just her but the other guys from there and they sometimes just say, “On HuffingtonPost there is”….that kind of stuff.

  • Chernynkaya : CL, Believe me–I’ve dropped most of the plates!

  • choicelady : Sally – I’ve been seeing less and less of Madam Defarge anywhere. The fact that Colbert interviewed her and snarked her was GREAT – I saw nothing else anywhere else!

  • Chernynkaya : Good for Colberington!

  • AdLib : He just reposts her whole site! That’s the joke.

  • AdLib : Check it out, The Colbuffington Repost: «link»

  • Chernynkaya : True, CL. But that’s what’s so insidious. The site is a giant Concern Troll in itself. But to be honest, i do sympathize with the writers. It’s so hard to break into journalism, and they make little anywhere. So I give many of them a pass.

  • choicelady : Colbert has a send up of HP? Gotta read that!

  • SallyT : Of course the new people going to that site don’t know the change either. That is sad since HP gets so much attention from the MSM.

  • AdLib : Sally – She mentioned his name very quickly and in passing but spent lots of time trying to show how clever and funny she was by attacking Colbert for aggregating her site on his HP ripoff site, the Colbuffington Post.

  • choicelady : Cher – you can juggle? Wow. I’m impressed! I can’t hold onto even ONE thing these days!

  • choicelady : Cher – remember it took ALL of us some time to figure out what had happened. It was pretty dramatic and did not seem possible. Here was this GREAT site pre-2008 election, and within moments after the inauguration, it had turned into Trollville. There are those who still can’t believe it. And AH keeps JUST enough good stuff on hand to keep many people lulled into believing she is just offering diverse views = instead of perverse propaganda.

  • SallyT : Did she even mention the writer?

  • Chernynkaya : I just can’t wrap my head around how many people are punked by that fraudulent site. I never will.

  • AdLib : CL – If I was the writer, I’d be pretty pissed off about Arianna taking the crown and the victory lap for my work. Why wasn’t the journalist on Colbert? I know why, because Arianna decided she would take all the glory…as “the face” of HP. Think about how HP and Arianna disrespect writers over there, even the one that brought them their one major recognition. What a jerk.

  • choicelady : Oh sure – but WE know the truth. I got a very good research person hooked up with them in 2007 – Chris Rodda from Military Religous Freedom Foundation. Chris write the BEST STUFF about Dominionism and its tentacles. But go ahead – try to find it! You have to enter Chris’ name to get any of it. But she keeps on because she has a following now, and that’s important to her and MRFF even if we all agree Arianna is sucky. HP still gives good outlet to voices that might otherwise not be heard. She’s just doing less and less of it.

  • SallyT : That is okay, CHer. I know you are busy.

  • Chernynkaya : Al, that’s what I mean. It’s galling to me.

  • Chernynkaya : Sally, I know. I’ve had stuff I had to do. I’m juggling.

  • AdLib : Cher – The reality is, after the AOL deal, HP became the biggest online blog and could afford to pay a few real journalists to work for HP. Now, using those few for cover, they can continue to churn out the exploitative propaganda and tabloid crap while boasting about what a legit news org they are.

  • choicelady : Sally – are we good, or what??????

  • SallyT : I am usually in tune with Cher but she hasn’t been around much lately.

  • Chernynkaya : CL, doesn’t the publisher of the winner get crowing rights, though?

  • SallyT : LOOK AT THAT CL WE ARE ON THE SAME LINE TONIGHT!

  • SallyT : Cher, she didn’t win that Pulitzer, that guy who wrote it did, really.

  • choicelady : Cher – it was the WRITER who won the award, never mind AH. His work was great, and of course she’s crowing, but HE did it and HE got it, not Arianna!

  • AdLib : Sally – Most people aren’t as well acquainted with where Arianna is now (it’s hard to keep track for anyone) and that she’s backflipped away from being Progressive.

  • choicelady : I know they say you cannot tell character from looks, but I really disagree. That hollow-eyed rather desperate stare Arianna and Mitt both have reflects the nothing that is inside. You cannot hide all that nasty.

  • Chernynkaya : Between her and Fineman-Henchman , I’m so tuned off by cable. PuffHo won a freaking Pulitzer! GAH!!!

  • SallyT : Oh, CRAP, AdLib, men always age better!

  • AdLib : You look at someone like Bill Moyers who is up there in years but he still has an air of vitality about him because he’s engaged in the human race. Look at Romney, he’s so lifeless because he’s so disengaged. I saw the same vacant stare in Arianna this week.

  • SallyT : Your skin can get leathery when your heart is no longer alive.

  • choicelady : Sally – Seriously? Queen Arianna is now backsliding? Maybe she’s boffing Newt and feels some loyalty to her old ways and roots?

  • Chernynkaya : Murph–Doh!

  • Chernynkaya : Speaking of cannibals, did you guys discuss that racist cake the Swedish minister cut into? I’ve had several long discussions about that!

  • choicelady : Cher – it happens to us all, but Queen Arianna can’t see how awful she’s looking these days, Dahling.

  • SallyT : I alos noticed AL that Steven called her a liberal and she really shunned away from that.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…Dorian Gray = Dora Fey

  • Chernynkaya : She’s jowly. Heh. And a little plump.

  • choicelady : Cher – I agree! What AdLib lacks in classical education he makes up for in chutzpah! I should NOT be drinking ginger ale when he’s on a roll! (No – NOT like a sandwich. Enough with the cannibal jokes!)

  • Chernynkaya : Murph, I don’t now that reference.

  • AdLib : Sally and Cher – She looked like she aged 5 years in the last year. All that jetsetting and little sleep can take a toll on you. And having a black hole in your chest where your heart should be couldn’t help any.

  • Chernynkaya : AL, that just made me literally spit out my drink!

  • choicelady : Murph – it was the “nox” that threw me. Otherwise I thought that was it.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…Dora Fay?

  • SallyT : AdLib, I saw her too and she wasn’t at all funny either!

  • AdLib : Night Murph! And an e pluribus unum to you!

  • SallyT : Night there, Murph!

  • Chernynkaya : She ain’t aging well, is she? Reverse Dorian Grey.

  • choicelady : Murph – the Latin eludes me save for a word or two. At any rate, you have a good night and sweet dreams, too.

  • SallyT : Good night, KT! I will see you later around here!

  • Chernynkaya : HEHE, Murph is nigh!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL got the translation without intending to.

  • Chernynkaya : Er, ‘Night!

  • AdLib : Cher – I held my nose and saw Arianna on Colbert this week…she didn’t look too good. I think all that money is taking her down.

  • Chernynkaya : Nigh, Murph!

  • choicelady : KT- Have a great night and sweet dreams. Thanks for the “young at heart” sentiment. It’s too damn late for the corpus.

  • Chernynkaya : Doin my best KT! You too! Sweet dreams.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : I have decided I am tuckered out so I wish you good night. So how is your Latin? Bonus nox noctis quod dulcis somnium

  • AdLib : Take care, Killgore! Have a great weekend!

  • SallyT : Where you going, KT?

  • Chernynkaya : AL, one down, dozens to go! Ptuey!

  • KillgoreTrout : Well, gotta go too. Stay forever young good people. (at least in spirit.

  • SallyT : SWEET!

  • AdLib : Sally – Very cool! You are now a member of GROW!

  • AdLib : Cher – Yep and for all of Breitbart’s nastiness and swagger, he’s gone and we’re here. And we’re going to be making a difference and he’s already fading from people’s minds.

  • choicelady : Hey – is bito on? I see him in the balcony!

  • SallyT : KQ, I didn’t know anything about your Dad. I hope all will be better!

  • choicelady : Murph – well, whoever started it around, it’s a GREAT line. One can always count on Twain for the bon mot!

  • AdLib : Sally – OR is a natural for a next stage if we’re successful in CA.

  • Chernynkaya : AL, I’ll never forget that image. What a nauseating jackass. RIHell.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KQ…best to you and your dad.

  • SallyT : I’ll help you, AL. Oregon is pretty hip but it can always need more hop!

  • AdLib : Cher – Breitbart won’t be rollerskating and taunting us at the next Koch brothers rally, that’s for sure!

  • choicelady : KQ – get good rest, and best wishes with your father. I hope everything will be OK and that he comes out even better than he was. Take care of YOU, too?

  • Chernynkaya : CL, who knows these things?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…like Franco..thanks SNL

  • Chernynkaya : Yeah, whenever I get discouraged, I remind myself that Breitbart is still dead.

  • KillgoreTrout : Golden slumbers KQ, and wishing your dad the best!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…I don’t think I shared it then since I just picked it up today. It is perfect though.

  • AdLib : Sally – So you are invited and welcome to join us in GROW if you’re interested. We hope to impact every state with our latest initiative.

  • choicelady : Cher – how do you get a Google error message? Why for heaven’s sake?

  • Chernynkaya : Perfect, KT!

  • choicelady : Murph – I remember that Twain line from when Breitbart died. Weren’t you the one who told it to us? Cracks me up every time!

  • KillgoreTrout : Oh well cher. I guess youtube won’t work in VP. It’s Eric Clapton’s Let It Grow.

  • SallyT : Good Night KQ. I haven’t seen you correcting me lately. You know you can’t let me run wild on here!

  • choicelady : Sally – no, GROW is for federal and other state legislation, too. We just started here since we live here in CA. We’re testing the waters so to speak.

  • AdLib : Night KQ and again, my best thoughts are going out to your father!

  • Chernynkaya : Night, KQ.

  • AdLib : CL – I was too late, AB missed it!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Take care folks I’m gonna get some sleep.

  • SallyT : That is what I got, too, Cher.

  • choicelady : AdLib – ohhhhh Bloody Mary Landrieu. That’s AWFUL. Congrats!

  • AdLib : Sally – Nope, GROW is a national group but our strategy on this initiative is to go state by state, beginning in CA for numerous advantageous reasons including how movements start out here and spread nationally.

  • Chernynkaya : KT, now I got a Google error message. :-(

  • KillgoreTrout : cher, really? I’ll try again…«link» ww.youtube.com/w atch?v=V069wWEnC ys&feature=fvst

  • MurphTheSurf3 : regarding the GOP Message Machine…Breitb art cause of death: heart attack caused by coronary disease……”I didn’t attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.” Mark Twain

  • SallyT : So, GROW is just for Calif?

  • choicelady : AB – She is Belle. My husband wanted to Belle, the Cat. Then we got a little guy hiding on our front porch who is apparently Maine Coon and, needing a name and his looking like a bob cat, he is, predictably, Bob. So it’s Bob and Belle. Or in her insistance, Belle and Bob.

  • Chernynkaya : Please do, AL.

  • AdLib : Cher – I’ll email you and anyone else here who is interested. It’s not a secret, we’re just not ready to post it publicly just yet (and possibly alert our inevitable adversaries at this point.

  • Chernynkaya : KT that link was an ad?

  • choicelady : KT – well of COURSE she does! I have to correct a lot because she also “types” now and then. She’s utterly avant garde in her spelling though.

  • KillgoreTrout : Found a theme song..«link» .youtube.com/wat ch?v=bXXThSZjNvQ

  • Chernynkaya : CL, that is truly impressive. I’m gobsmacked!

  • Chernynkaya : AL, OK, now you’re just teasing us! Can’t wait! In the meantime, I’m flexing my muscles on Twitter in preparation to help that way too.

  • AdLib : Night AB! Perhaps have a Bloody Mary Landrieu before bed?

  • choicelady : Cher – it’s been so nice to see GROW as a supporter of bills and issues around the Capitol!

  • choicelady : AB – OMG – you have a hard life indeed! Crack the whip with the Blov, then rest up with drinks and something great to eat. Have a lovely night and a good morrow.

  • AlphaBitch : Good night …zzzzz

  • AdLib : CL has been amazing in getting GROW and our fledgling initiative actually on the calendar in the CA Legislature! We’ve got big things going on this year for GROW and The Planet, we’re anxious to share them with everyone here as soon as we can!

  • SallyT : See you later AB! Have a good night!

  • AlphaBitch : CL: What’s her name? I have a black male with “issues” (mostly related to abandonment). He came from the west side, and is named (appropriately) “Beto”.

  • choicelady : Sally dear – thank you, but I’d just have to declare it, and GROW is not yet a registered “lobby employer”. So save the quarter, and let it GROW for GROW!

  • KillgoreTrout : Sweet dreams AB.

  • KillgoreTrout : choice, does she lay down on your keyboard?

  • SallyT : Well, KT and CL, mommy has yellow eyes and is all gray but of course the babies have theirs all closed right now.

  • Chernynkaya : AB–that’s hard work! Take care.

  • choicelady : AB – Thank you! I will definitely read it! Much appreciated!

  • Chernynkaya : CL–I can’t think of a better influencer!

  • AlphaBitch : OK peeps. It’s my bedtime. Sorry I’m such a wuss. Have to get up and lollygag tomorrow and do the hardest of all jobs – supervise the Blov until he does all that needs to be done!

  • choicelady : KT – that’s what MY cat looks like. A female but very panther-like. She’s beside me as I type informing me I’m neglecting her.

  • SallyT : I got a quarter and you can have it, CL!

  • Chernynkaya : Sparky just moved them around randomly. Eyes big as saucers.

  • choicelady : Cher – AdLib is right! GROW has also supported a bill in the state legislature this year, so GROW is off and running! We will keep everyone posted. Informally, you already have a lobbyist – me! I’ve spoken for GROW a couple of times already. And it doesn’t cost you a dime. Not that any of us HAVE a dime!

  • AlphaBitch : Cher: LOL! Poor pup. what do to with all that mewing bundle of furr???

  • SallyT : Oh Cher, how cute. The boys use to carry the mommy cat around by the neck, well, by her collar.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Had to go dig and try and find it. It’s called Straight from the Heart. You will LOVE how she got her nickname of Miss Ann!

  • Chernynkaya : Sally, I have lots of pix of my last dog carrying around new born kitties in his mouth and looking nervous.

  • KillgoreTrout : It’s a wonderful idea AdLib.

  • AdLib : KT – Excellent! Consider yourself a member of GROW now. Stay tuned for an update in a little while.

  • Chernynkaya : I’ll be around when you’re ready.

  • SallyT : 2 girls and 2 boys. The danes just love them and keep wanting to see them.

  • KillgoreTrout : Sally, i used to an all black cat, with big yellow eyse. He looke like a miniature panther. We were best buds.

  • Chernynkaya : I love black cats.

  • AdLib : Cher – I knew you would be, very cool! This will be another GROW initiative…and a big one. For other folks here, GROW (Grass Roots Over Washington) is the informal activist group we’ve assembled here from interested members. Last year we co-sponsored the Uncloak the Kochs rally in Palm Springs which was hugely successful and helped make them a household name. This year we’re working on an initiative but we need to get all of our ducks in a row before we present it as an opportunity for members to get involved.

  • SallyT : All 4 are all black.

  • Chernynkaya : Sally–that’s wonderful! Mazel Tov!

  • SallyT : You just have to rub plastic wrap or a sack and ours comes running. And, by the way, we have 4 new kitties born 4 days ago!

  • AlphaBitch : I know two great retired judges and several attorneys that might help.

  • AlphaBitch : I found you don’t even need the opener – mine come to a pop top!

  • choicelady : AB – No! I didn’t even know there was a bio. I will GET it – she was one amazing human being!

  • AdLib : I’m a big Hightower fan too, had the pleasure of meeting him. And Cl’s quote is right on the money, we need someone with a can opener and millions of cool cats will come together.

  • SallyT : I love to hold people accountable as much as Romney loves to fire people!

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Did you ever read Ann Richards bio????? “Speak to the lowest common denominator so that the guy from Poteet (or some other small town) can understand it” was her lesson from HER mom. Love that Cecile Richards, too.

  • KillgoreTrout : I’d love to AdLib. How about an occupy the media movement?

  • choicelady : AB – I so agree! Strong livin’, hard drinkin’ wimmin with great minds, enormous humor, and real moral values. WE need more of ‘em!

  • Chernynkaya : Count me in AL and CL.

  • AdLib : AB – The 1st Amendment doesn’t protect all speech, it doesn’t protect slander or libel. Once we’ve got things on the tracks, we will be thrilled to have your support and that of all Planeteers who are interested in pitching in to hold people responsible for their advertised lies.

  • AlphaBitch : He and Miss ANN, CL. I miss Ann and Molly Ivins so much.

  • choicelady : AB – I do, too. He has a great way with words and has been influential on me about how I train people to do advocacy. I make them laugh, keep it short and sweet, use good analogies – and people get things they thought they could not understand. His capacity to make people laugh is absolutely how he gets people to see the issue AND to see it’s solveable. LOVE him!

  • KillgoreTrout : The chicken hawks love their Heroes.

  • KillgoreTrout : Thanks AB and CL.

  • choicelady : KT – Oh. VERY good, KT. VERY good indeed. That’s a lead in for a sick joke: What do Chickenhawks eat? Hero sandwiches.

  • AlphaBitch : KT; Well done!

  • AlphaBitch : CL: I still subscribe to the Hightower Lowdown. Once went to his rally when he was known as “Whole Hog Hightower” with a pig nose on!! (i was a guest of the entertainment)

  • KillgoreTrout : The GOP also likes Hero sandwiches, made out of dead soldiers.

  • choicelady : AB – AdLib and I are workin’ on it!

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, that would be the one. Good call.

  • AlphaBitch : I’m your gal. Was a lead lit paralegal for 20 years and am friends with many attorneys and judges. Problem as they mention is the courts – how they would rule, freedom of speech, blah blah blah.

  • choicelady : KQ – remember what Jim Hightower said: you can wrangle cats if you’re the one with the can opener. WE need the can opener.

  • AdLib : Killgore – You mean the Country Club sandwich?

  • AdLib : AB – We can’t sue candidates for lying…yet. But CL and I are looking to do something about that…which PlanetPOV folks can join in on once we get it rolling.

  • choicelady : Cher – he’s just smarmy. This passes for intelligence? Wow.

  • KillgoreTrout : How about the rich man’s Club Sandwich? with two layers of poor people.

  • Chernynkaya : Cl–and Mitt JUST HIRED that guy! The election will be a mudfest. But as I said, if it does, all they will get are their base. Indies hate that.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: I’m having a BLACK RUSHun.

  • KillgoreTrout : KQ, it can be done. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. (it was a commercial though)

  • AlphaBitch : OOOOOHHH AL: I knew it was coming!

  • AdLib : Hey Sally!

  • choicelady : Cher – WTF? What’s THAT supposed to mean??? I can respect a well reasoned jab. That’s just – well, there are no words.

  • AdLib : AB – Having a Robert Rubin sandwich with extra thousand island dressing.

  • KQµårk 死神 : We need to start herding those cats AdLib.

  • choicelady : Sally and AB – yup. Trickle down is either peeing or drooling, and either way it is no benefit to us!

  • Chernynkaya : CL, here’s the link: «link»

  • AdLib : Murph – Very true, Repubs are lemmings and Dems are cats. Repubs follow the leader and Dems go in 18 different directions. But look at what happened with Trayvon, Rush and Komen. We have the numbers on our side when a big enough outrage happens and we can move things in the right direction.

  • Chernynkaya : And he said the kids should not be off limits either. It’ll backfire though.

  • KillgoreTrout : I don’t care how much the GOP tries to suck up to women votters, the damage has already been done. Women are forgetting any time soon.

  • SallyT : No, CL, you didn’t leave anything out but I don’t even think Romney can sell that anymore. He is going to need more than that “pissing on you” gets jobs.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AdLib…I left this before but I think it is worth repeating…the success of the RW in messaging is this….my theory is that Dems are independent cats and the GOP and their media allies are Message Machines…ditto , ditto, ditto, ditto, make the point, make the point that you made the point, point out that you pointed out that you were making the point, ask why others are not making the point….start over.

  • Chernynkaya : here’s a sample: Grennell discussed the first lady “sweating on the East Room carpet.”

  • AlphaBitch : CL: I once was attacked by a group of men at a Clinton speech (all holding waffles, mind you) because I Biff’ed ‘em and said “The only trickle down you’ll ever see under Bush is what runs down his leg!” I dunno. Seemed to make them mad. HEY! Let’s show up at Romney Rallies w/ flip flops!!!!

  • choicelady : Cher -whom did the lovely man attack? Where are these people’s BRAINS?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AdLib…I left this before but I think it is worth repeating…the success of the RW in messaging is this….my theory is that Dems are independent cats and teh GOP and their media allies are Message Machines…ditto , ditto, ditto, ditto, make the point, make the point that you made the point, point out that you pointed out that you were making the point, ask why others are not making the point….start over.

  • SallyT : CL, you take a breath!

  • Chernynkaya : KQ–filthy you say? New Romney Spokesman Used Twitter For Sexist Attacks

  • choicelady : Sally – pant, pant, pant…did I leave anything OUT? That’s Romney’s plan. Ol trickle down economics.

  • choicelady : Sally – oh!oh!oh! I know romney’s plan!!! Cut taxes for the rich, and the money will just go rolling down and create jobs and even bring more revenue to the government and it will be just great and jobs will be plentiful and rising tides lift all boats and the rich will invest and make everyone rich.

  • KQµårk 死神 : AdLib we all know this is going to be a filthy election especially since Romney has no core. The MSM loves it and it will not be about issues for that squishy middle.

  • AdLib : KQ – No way, Jebbie would never tarnish himself as VP, under Romney n a probable losing ticket. Jebbie wants to run in 4 years, he wants Romney to lose.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: I know. I’m just trying to compare apples and horse apples here. Both entertainers, both said stuff that pissed the other side off. But whose career – a soaring one – was obliterated, and what loser got more than his 15 minutes of past fame?????

  • KillgoreTrout : Well, Romney knows how to fire people, but I don’t think he knows much about creating jobs. As a venture capitalist, he spent more time putting people out of work.

  • Chernynkaya : Ab one of the things that surprised me about immigrants I know is, the more repressive government they come from, the more they vote repub. It takes some thinking, but I see where they are coming from.

  • AdLib : Night Bourne! Have a lovely weekend!

  • AdLib : AB – You don’t even have to go back to the Dixie Chicks, go back a week to Hilary Rosen! The MSM gladly followed the Repub attack machine to slime Obama for the comments of someone who isn’t connected to his Presidency or campaign in any way! With Nugent, the corporate media just yawns and never mentions Romney. If that doesn’t expose them for the manipulative propagandists they are, I don’t know what does.

  • SallyT : And, can someone tell me Romney’s plan to get more jobs for more people?

  • AlphaBitch : Every Cuban I know -= including my adorable new doctor – votes REpublican. When I asked a dear friend, he said “Because I’m from CUBA. We HATE the government – doesn’t matter which one!” Made sense in an odd way.

  • choicelady : KT – yes, I think so, too. My ties are in Y’town and Cleveland, and while Y’town is THE most impoverished city in the US, even it is seeing an uptick in jobs and hiring! And it’s pretty blasted!

  • AdLib : CL – Yep and the Repubs, being the racists that they are, think all Hispanics are alike. As you say, Latinos and Cubans are not the same thing.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: but who listens to NPR? Not the RW, that’s for damn sure. Not the low info folks.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…free speech re public figures is pretty absolute, furthermore Luntz is reporting on his research which is nonsense but a good cover. I think we need to get hold of that e mail every day and publish it.

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, I fear that jobs in Ohio are growing at a very slow rate. But they are growing. I wonder about the small towns too. Ohio has a gazillion small towns. They’re usually pretty conservative. But I think Obama will wi Ohio.

  • SallyT : CL, I think a lot of that too is the push to BUY Local and small local businesses. They are the ones that are going to hire and when they grow more grows in the community.

  • choicelady : AB – interesting idea, suing for maliciously false statements in political advertising. Ohio has such a law, and I hear others are working on it!

  • Chernynkaya : Yes MTS. And 70% of guests on the Sunday talk shows are Repubs. When they have a Dem, it’s Harold Ford!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Cheers AdLib.

  • AdLib : KQ – Sorry to hear that, wishing your father all the best!

  • choicelady : KT – NPR had small business owners talk about the Ryan stimulus plan for small biz, and they ALL knew it was a crock. They were all from Ohio smaller towns!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher..why does the MSM challenge Obama? To keep the race close, yep, but also because the right wing gives them the attack lines…using that mighty ditto machine….they get the message for everyone with a R behind their name.

  • AlphaBitch : MTS: I know about Frank Luntz. I just don’t know why we – as citizens – can’t sue a CANDIDATE for making up lies! I understand sovereign immunity and all that – but slander? Libel? If you are NOT an elected official? Why not sue?

  • AdLib : AB – I completely agree. Obama and the Dems should absolutely campaign on what the future will be if the Repubs and ROmney win. Explain simply and frankly the death of the middle class, the growing poverty and wealth distribution to the rich. America of the wealthy, by the wealthy and for the wealthy and no retirement or comfortable future for them or their children. No soft sell, hammer it home because it’s all true!

  • choicelady : KT – but anywhere there is industrial revival, and that’s a lot of smaller companies, things seem to be picking up for the awareness of what Obama has done. Can’t say for sure, and racism is ALWAYS an issue, but I hear people start to say in awe – oh! I’m working again!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…but it is how they do it….there is a Luntz service that crafts the message of the day with code words, key words, argument structure that is e mailed every day at 6 AM….they all get it which is why the phrases all kick in simultaneously.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Snorf.

  • KQµårk 死神 : I hear ya AdLib.

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad Lib, Ohio is a real mixture. The university towns are all mostly liberal, But the south west of Ohio is very red. And religious too.

  • Chernynkaya : Murph, apropos of that, I asked myself this today: If Romney can get away with constant lies with no consequences, and if voters believe him, what’s to keep Obama from just plain lying too? The difference is, the media would call Obama out on it, but not Mitt.

  • choicelady : AB – LOL!!!!!! I must agree about how borin….zzzzzz

  • AdLib : KQ – Fineman is a total sell out and hack. He is the perfect example of the MSM prostitute who was older, had little other professional prospects when Newsweek was bought out and sold out to HP. He has no credibility and just blabbers the “conventional wisdom” BS of the MSM. I tune him out completely.

  • AlphaBitch : Yeah, AL! What’s for dinner?

  • AlphaBitch : MTS: Tried to read how the RW mind operates but fell asle….zzzzzz

  • choicelady : Heay Sally – you practicing cannibalism tonight? We resist being the entree. Invite us FOR dinner not to BE dinner!

  • choicelady : AB – that was part of the Mother Jones scandal. I can’t recall W’s part, but all of ‘em had major millstones around their necks.

  • Chernynkaya : When all is said and done, it’ll come down to the same 6-10% of low-infos it always does. <47% is repub and about the same Dem. I hate it but that seems to be a reality.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB….AN IMPORTANT QUESTION: given how much more we have to be angry about with Nugent vs. Hillary’s work comment, why don’t we go for the jugular like the Goopers do….Well…my theory is that Dems are independent cats and teh GOP and their media allies are Message Machines…ditto , ditto, ditto, ditto, make the point, make the point that you made the point, point out that you pointed out that you were making the point, ask why others are not making the point….start over.

  • AdLib : CL – If people in OH and MI don’t recognize that their states are far better off thanks to Obama and rescuing the auto industry…when Romney would have happily destroyed all of that, they would be total idiots. And I know people from both states, they’re sharp folks.

  • SallyT : Yum Yum EEEAAAAT em UP!

  • AlphaBitch : CL: And let’s not forget dear Neil Bush and Silverado!

  • choicelady : “Night Bourne – stay off the streets of Sacto until the guy is caught! He’s been all over the map today. Don’t let him near you!

  • AlphaBitch : KT: Like a bad burrito!

  • choicelady : KQ and KT – Remember what Sue found – Jeb has major baggage in all kinds of frauds and deals he’s done. Mother Jones YEARS ago with the First Bush had a story on how all the Bush boys had stink on ‘em. We need to find and revive that to keep Jeb quiet! “Run and we’ll release this old story about you!” My recollection was that he engaged in a Medicare fraud scheme.

  • KillgoreTrout : Oh jeebus, not another Bush. I think that choice may backfire on Romney!

  • AdLib : Murph – Very apt description. Matthews convictions can melt under a hot wind and run in the opposite direction just as quickly. Sure, I like when he’s aggressive with people I don’t like but he is untethered to any views or principles so really, it’s all pandering in the end for ratings…just as he pandered to Card in hopes of getting help to interview GHW Bush.

  • AlphaBitch : Adios, Bourne!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bye bye Bourne..

  • KillgoreTrout : Have a good evening Bourne.

  • Chernynkaya : AB–HAH! Hu me?

  • AlphaBitch : KQ: Yep, second on the prayers and wishes.

  • KQµårk 死神 : KT I saw Jeb Bush would not mind being his VP.

  • choicelady : AB – the biggest problem is you can’t boycott Nugent when you’ve been avoiding him for decades. Nothing left to withhold!!! He is beyond disgraceful as an American. Why anyone follows this loser is beyond me. Romney courted his endorsement and is now trying to weasel out of it. Bah!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KQ…I read the article and had a couple of comments and a question. I will find a way to get them to you. I thought it was an important piece to the puzzle that I did not have.

  • AlphaBitch : Cher: thought you were speaking Chinese.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Thanks CL he’s strong for his age.

  • BourneID : Hey all, I am declaring myself offially brain dead. I’m going to sign off early. Have a good weekend. Talk to you next week.

  • Chernynkaya : LOL–that would be “hi!”

  • KQµårk 死神 : Cheers Smurf. I think it’s important to know how damaging that mentality would be in the leader of this country.

  • Chernynkaya : Hu my dear CL.

  • KillgoreTrout : So who is Romney gonna pick for VP?

  • AlphaBitch : Question: remember the uproar when the Dixie Chicks said they were EMBARRASSED that the President was from Texas?? Yet what Nugent did was A-OK? Seriously?? Why can’t we fight back as hard. I’m tired of sitting it out and signing Kumbayah.

  • Chernynkaya : CL–that’s so true. Latinos don’t really consider Cubans Latinos.

  • choicelady : Hey Cher – lovely to see you!

  • AdLib : Hey KQ!

  • choicelady : KQ – Oh wow I am sorry to hear that! I know those things work miracles and hope that’s true for him, but how exhausing it is for him and for you. You’re in our hearts, good friend!

  • choicelady : AdLib – Rubio is Cuban. That makes him NOT Latino in the eyes of real Latinos. They know a fraud when they hear one.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KQ….how are you…I really found your article on Romney as Gordon Geeko enlightening. See him and his campaign through the prism of private equity consultant has been a powerful meme.

  • Chernynkaya : KQ–so sorry to hear about your father! My prayers.

  • AdLib : Killgore – Yep, they are more like cult members. They have their cult of hatred and prejudice, it is them against the “others” and you can’t talk a cult member out of following their cult. Usually, hitting them over the head with a bowling pin has a better impact.

  • choicelady : KT – my husband can’t stand Matthews because he NEVER lets his guests answer the questions he asks! You’re right about his ego issues!

  • KQµårk 死神 : I’m doing OK CL. My father’s sick again though. He just had an angioplasty today.

  • Chernynkaya : I dislike Tweety more than Scarborough. matthews is stale and lazy. He offers nothing original, and is more like my bloviating uncle who makes me cringe.

  • choicelady : Bounre – too close to me, thanks. I don’t want him killed, but I DO want him apprehended!

  • AlphaBitch : AL: Seriously, I say f*ck it with the class warfare and go for broke. Tell the poor low info voters what will happen to ‘em. Stand and preach it everywhere and loudly. Rally round the truth.

  • KQµårk 死神 : Howard Fineman was just as bad with Tweety the other day. I think I watched 3 whole minutes of Hardball before I wanted to throw up.

  • KillgoreTrout : matthews is in love with the sound of his own voice.

  • choicelady : KQ – Hi! How are you?

  • AdLib : Murph – That is wonderful to hear! I do think people have had the RW propaganda factory belching smoke into their eyes long enough, they get it. As for Rubio, a FL poll showed that if Romney chose him as his VO, he would actually lose by a bigger margin to Obama! Rubio is widely disliked in FL and Latinos aren’t swayed by a lying, anti-Latino traitor and fraud like him.

  • BourneID : Hey CL, news on; an apt on Cottage Way. Deputies fired shots at a suspect but that’s as much as they know so far. Suspect was on the roof of the building.

  • choicelady : AdLib – I totally agree. People can be ignorant and maybe swayed by a decimal point, but overall people know who saved the nation. Ohio folks are aware – not all of them but most of them – that thanks to Obama’s careful policies, Ohio Rustbucket has lower than national unemployment.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : ADLIB..Matthews is a Political Pimp who puts whatever sells on the street. Dislike him almost as much as I dislike Scarborough and his sad sack crew.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: C’mon dude. Say what you REALLY feel……

  • Chernynkaya : Hey KQ!

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey KQ!

  • choicelady : KT – you’re totally correct. That kind of institutional rigidity is the precursor to the institution’s demise.

  • Chernynkaya : Sorry, I’m back now.

  • AlphaBitch : KQ!!!!

  • KQµårk 死神 : Sup peeps

  • choicelady : AB – then we’d better get cracking. We CAN do it if everyone turns out and helps their neighbors get registered AGAIN. We can minimize the damage!

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, if someone is forced to be “good,” by threats of hell and scriptures, then it really isn’t goodness.

  • AdLib : AB – The thing is, for Obama to have so many advantages with voters over Romney at this point, with unemployment high and a sluggish economy, means the poisoning hasn’t and likely won’t work. I saw MSM toady Chris Matthews today try and push the “conventional wisdom” that Obama loses to Romney based on the unemployment numbers. What bullshit. The unemployment numbers won’t change that Romney is bent on destroying Medicare and SS, cementing plutocracy and permanently ending Planned Parenthood and ACA health insurance for 30 million Americans…and Matthews and other pudnuts want to keep pushing on us that a fractional decimal in the unemployment numbers would make people choose Romney and that future over Obama? Bullshit indeed.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…I must say I am worried too.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Sounds good, but one f*cked up law can rob tens of thousands of voters, and there’s not enough time in the world to get them registered by the “due date” in some states. It makes me pessimisstic.

  • choicelady : Murph – it’s glorious to see the Civil Rights and Voting Rights movements BACK! And this time we have the LAW on our side!

  • choicelady : AB – well, of COURSE they do! Missionaries (our Protestants were not AS bad but were bad) did what they did not because they feared “heathens” were wrong but that they were RIGHT. That they were closer to God than we could ever be with our rules, rites, and temples. We figured out how wrong we were. The Religious Right has not.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…like I said we are fighters….rock the vote by moving the voters from non registered to registered by all means necessary. My friend says there has been some harassment but they have three good attorneys who scare down the opposition.

  • choicelady : Murph – I’ve been blogging and tweeting – if people can’t get their ID GET IT FOR THEM. Drive them, pay for it, whatever it takes. Then drive them to vote. We don’t have money? WALK PRECINCTS. Door-to-door and face-to-face can undermine all the lousy commercials. We did it before. We can do it now.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Yes, Issa is Yeshua (aka Joshua) or Jesus. Figures they’d have him going to Kabul and Damascus. Right where my fave chirrens are from! And they DO bring me closer to God, I swear!

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, their minds are already made up for them by FOX and the like. Their “minds,” are impervious to truth and equality, compassion and humanity.

  • choicelady : AB – Well, if you have LAMB, you are now a theologian! Turns out it’s based on real theological speculation that a man, Issa, traveled to all those places. Isa is the Muslim name for Jesus… Interesting, yes?

  • AlphaBitch : AL: Don’t forget bad breath!

  • AdLib : Killgore – I’d put a spin on that, arguing with righties is like talking to a dining room table that is racist and has poor grammar.

  • AlphaBitch : MTS: WOW! Great news!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…a friend in florida (where the population growth is ALL black and hispanic) is part of a voter registration movement in miami. The group has set up a registration system that complies with the draconian state laws and are experiencing a huge number of signups. The message that “they” really are out to get you seems to be getting through…I wonder if this is why Rubio has pulled back from Romney just as he barely endorsed him.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: I’m sorry but I’ve seen Latinos vote for one of their own. To give you hope, Julian Castro, a bright young political star, mayor of San Antonio, TX (one of the ten biggest cities in the US) is well loved and has been contacted by Obama. As to the diff between 08 and now – well, the haters have been out poisoning the well, so to speak, for 4 years (He can’t help the economy -he’s not a job creator”).

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, and AdLib, arguing with righties is like what Barney Frank famously said, “like talking to a dining room table.”

  • AdLib : AB – Right but I don’t think it will be any different from 2008 when it comes to race, the racists will still hate Obama but the GOP is losing more each year than they recruit. Plus, the growing Latino vote going against the GOP could turn the tables on the race issue.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…the interchanges today happened to be part of my internal library and I had had the exchange before….I knew where it was going, but eventually I pulled the plug on both…going nowhere.

  • AlphaBitch : KT: And I for one am grateful for that. Some things are just not meant to be understood; hatred is one such thing.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Why thank you. I was reared as a Lutheran and became a Methodist. Now I have LAMB on my religious book shelf.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…the Church and the Poor…sadly the current crowd of prelates having returned to a model of the “poor you will always have with you” and the Princes of the Church find association with the rich and powerful very comforting indeed…the medieval church making a comeback…the fact is that siding with the social justice progressives means backing the Dems which means hanging around with the abortion and contraception crowd….these guys are all or nothing thinkers.

  • AdLib : Murph – Just speaking for myself, I found it to be less productive and very time consuming to debate trolls. Most have no appreciation for truth or logic and as I wrote in my post, it’s just a game to them to try and best a “libtard”.

  • KillgoreTrout : CL, it is truly sad to see. I suppose there are many factors that contribute to that sort of mentality, but damned if can understand them.

  • choicelady : Oh I thought you WERE Catholic, AB. I guess we’re both mystified. Bourne – what’s your take on the Church. Can it survive and find its best practices and not always emphasizing its worst side?

  • AlphaBitch : AL: See CL comment. There are many out ther who will MAKE this a close race because of race.

  • AlphaBitch : CL:: Don’t ask me. I’m not Catholic. But I’m guessing it’s the “Watch my right hand” diversionary tactic. If people really stop and look at things, they have to ask.

  • choicelady : KT – I have to agree. I went there due to your comment, and I was absolutely horrified. Only things worse are Free Republic and outright Nazi, white supremacy sites. Yikes. What HAS this nation come to?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…hear you…still I have had enough positives to take folks on for a round or two (and there are the bystanders! just like here)

  • BourneID : MTS, how do you keep up with the kind of exchange you had today? I read it while you worked it and was exhausted…

  • choicelady : Murph – yes indeed. I so admire your steadfast dedication to talking with people. I’m getting sort of burned out.

  • KillgoreTrout : Just stay away from yahoo. If anything will deminish your faith in your fellow man, commenting on Yahoo will certainly do it.

  • choicelady : AB, Murph, all lapased and practicing Catholics – why does the church continue to be so hypocritical by not making the OTHER issues as important as the sexual ones? Why is no one ever threatened with excommunication for screwing the poor?

  • AdLib : Murph – I know there are exceptions to the rule but studies have found that bloggers pretty much have pretty cemented views on political parties and Presidential choices. It’s mostly people with their minds made up skirmishing with others who are the same with both thinking that readers who are undecided may be influenced. I haven’t seen any studies that confirm that people reading blogs change so drastically from a Romney to an Obama but I wouldn’t say it doesn’t happen at all. If I was to bet though, I would guess that it is far less influential than suspected.

  • AlphaBitch : Oops. Jumped out.

  • AlphaBitch : food – why so quiet? Jump in!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…you and I are cultural warriors I think…we connect often on matters like this.

  • choicelady : AdLib- Yes – impetuous. It’s why I wanted to try it! But tonight it was not to be. I’ll let you know if I ever get it!

  • BourneID : CL It started at 6 am, traffic stopped; looked like the 405 in LA then they find the 2nd car in Antelope. What’s with that?

  • choicelady : Murph – I have done the troll conversion, too. But it’s become too much of my whole life, and I need to back away often. I correspond regularly with Dominionist Christians re the military issues, and it’s often rewarding, often not. It’s ALWAYS exhausting!

  • AlphaBitch : CL; and Bourne: What’s happening? Weather wise?

  • choicelady : Bourne – well, it was blowing up around my office in Arden Arcade, so I’m underwhelmed by it all! No real problems, but it’s creepy as hell. We found a man living on the roof of our building 6 months ago who said he had a warrant out for him. He finally got arrested, but he was there for days. I’ve kinda had enough drama already. And this guy today is armed with TWO guns. I’d love them to find him soon!

  • AdLib : CL – Sounds like a young and impetuous wine, too bad they were out! I’m fine, all is well my way!

  • AlphaBitch : AL: LOVE it! Since he keeps his shirt unbuttoned in a very Elvis like way, he can piss and poop with no bother!

  • AdLib : AB – What we need to do is challenge Rush to wear his shirt on his legs and his pants over his face, sitting upside-down and see if anyone notices a difference.

  • AlphaBitch : AB: Agreed. Most every Catholic I know is in it for the social justice issues.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL…I battle trolls in part because I sometimes succeed in pulling them from the dark side into the twilight AND there are others watching….I get comments re. this with statements that they will copy and archive a response for use by themselves. So…in balance it works enough to keep it up for a while.

  • choicelady : AdLib – Howdy! Just got back from a restaurant that served Dahlia Chardonnay – but they were out. I’m so disappointed! So I’m drowning my sorrows in political talk. How are you?

  • AlphaBitch : CL: Yes he was. And I have every reason to believe she was as well.

  • choicelady : Murph – I think you’re right about that.

  • BourneID : Hi CL, what do you think of the drama in our area today? It was still ongoing when I signed in here.

  • AlphaBitch : AL; Question: if the only diff is the location (Troll Brain/Dog Turd) of origin, how do you differentiate for the ones with butt ugly faces? Like Flush Limpballs.

  • choicelady : AB – was yout Methodist minister SERIOUS?

  • choicelady : AB – Nuns are awesome for the most part. Evidence that the church is dying is this. Persecuting your own and cleaving to a vision that is punitive towards those DOING what you profess theologically is the route to total eradication. MAN up, Mr. Pope – you have grave fractures in your system not least of which is your refusal to hold people accountable for poverty, death, war, etc. but only sexual issues. The Church is doomed that way.

  • BourneID : Hey MTS, one more addition to your dossier…

  • MurphTheSurf3 : CL….Simone Campbell…talk about a prophetic person….she will be fine because she does need the hierarchy….it is the bishops who are in schism having turned their backs on Vatican II….the folks who count are going to back the good, the really good, sisters.

  • AdLib : Hey Choicelady!

  • AlphaBitch : MTS: the man who chairs the foundation at the PBS station where I work was schooled by the Cat’lics. (He uses the Irish term.) He is always the first to RSVP. A holdover, he claims

  • AdLib : Murph – I do understand and appreciate it but I do think in the end that fighting with trolls only delights them and never changes their minds…or what pass for them.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…my connection has been through community organization, civil rights and opposition to the death penalty. AND I am a Catholic School Brat (well for most of my years in school) and while the Sisters were tough, they clearly cared and they made me into a fine student.

  • AlphaBitch : CL: I once met Sr. Prejean and my pastor (of a Methodist church) asked if she was packing.

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey CL.

  • choicelady : Evening all – just caught the Popette thread. I am friends with Sr. Simone Campbell who heads NETWORK the group most under scrutiny. She rocks, and I fear for her and all the others.

  • AlphaBitch : KT: True dat.

  • KillgoreTrout : AB, those who know the least, obey the best.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…I read a lot but for TV news I watch Bashir, Bill Press, Rachel, Ganholm, and LINK’s Democracy now.

  • AlphaBitch : MTS: I worked with the Sisters of St. Joseph in the legal office of their health care concerns and with the Sisters of Incarnate Word on fundraisers and mentoring young women and their children. I ran a “bug club” for the little ones, to teach them ecology.

  • AdLib : AB – You saw where I was going with that. The only difference between dog poop and troll brains is the location.

  • AlphaBitch : Again with the paranoia – low info voters vote against their own interests. Hence the need to obliterate the Dept of Ed

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph they are less than human in my eyes. Totally lacking in humanity or compassion.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…popette!!!! !! I have many sisters who are friends and I admire them very much.

  • AdLib : Cher – I am on a semi boycott of MSNBC, I only watch Bashir and some of Matthews just to see what Tweety is up to. MSNBC is a cynical joke on Progressives, a few truly Progressive hosts sandwiched between endless oil company and wall street propaganda commercials.

  • AlphaBitch : I think the nunners should break out and start their own version of Catholicism. I worked w/ several sisters (and the new Mother Superior) of the Sisters of the Incarnate Word. I love them dearly!!! Would even be a Femi-Catholic if she could be Popette.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT…did not see the stuff about Brevik but believe every word. This is so far beyond the rational.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: And that’s the reason it WILL be a close race. There are far, far too many low info voters. The question is: how do you get to them?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…not only do they do a lot of the work….they have a corner on the market in sensible catholic thought…so of course, they must be suppressed. It is going to be war.

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, I spent a little time on a yahoo thread about Andrew Breivik. The righties were actually cheering him on and congratulating him for killing “commie socialist kids.” It was horrifying. There are some sick puppies in our country.

  • Chernynkaya : BBL

  • BourneID : AlphaB, be my guest – for whatever reason, I cannot type the M word.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib….I am here to get back into the real work having wrestled with the metaphysical for several hours….interes ting but lacking quantitative objective standards….sev eral well meaning but stuck folks.

  • AdLib : AB – I think it just exposes what we already know, when the Catholic Bishops support something the GOP supports, it’s an attack on religion. When they support the poor, the GOP flicks them off their shoulder, “That’s only some Catholics saying that.” And if Obama said the same thing in the birth control flap? It would be another attack on religion. Those who know the GOP are just lying bastard know it, those who don’t want to know it, won’t.

  • AlphaBitch : MTS (see, I can learn): Attacking nuns? They do all the work, while the pointy hat guys get all the glory. Go figger.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…re. the Bishops….they are GOP props they trot out when the guys in the pointy hats agree with them and dismiss when they do not….and yesterday the Blessed Prelates joined the War on Women with their attack of the Leadership Conference of WOmen Religious, the nuns.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: Troll brain, dog turd. Same diff.

  • AlphaBitch : Bourne: I like your abbreviation and will adopt it, if I’m not plagerizing it – what is this turnitin crawl???

  • AdLib : Murph, well, scrape that Troll Brain off of the bottom of your shoes with a stick, you can chill out now.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT…crazies with lots of money backing their paranoia and raw hate.

  • Chernynkaya : Al, I’m boycotting MSNBC for a while. The whole media disgusts me except for online sites.

  • AlphaBitch : God’s gonna bite ‘em in the ass? Wait till Choicelady hears about this……

  • BourneID : Everybody, I call Murph MTS, so MTS, your work today was brilliant.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…thanks for the link. Saw this stuff earlier. He has now “apologized” for bad taste in HIS jokes….these guys are all paet of a nightmare.

  • AdLib : Cher – Chris Matthews today pandered to Andrew Card and let him spew all kinds of BS…at the end admitting he wanted to be kind to him to help get an interview with Bush. The whole game was laid wide open and I doubt many spotted it.

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, that “one true god,” thing will bite them in the ass, everytime.

  • Chernynkaya : Opps: «link»

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…hi….yeah my heart hurt when he told me about it…some joke.

  • KillgoreTrout : Murph, the crazies will really come out of the woodwork when Obama gets reelected. They can barely contain their hatred now.

  • Chernynkaya : Murph, we can all say someone like Nugent is putrid, but it’s not just some weirdo. Here’s waht Romney’s new spokesperson Tweeted:

  • AlphaBitch : Do you think the Catholic Bishops stance on the Ryan budget will make a diff?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Cher, KT, AL, Bourne et. al. so good to “see” you. Been battling religious trolls as afternoon.

  • AdLib : Killgore – Yep, I’m loving the Liberty religious bigots reflecting their “Christian” and Republican values towards their nominee!

  • AlphaBitch : Yikes, Murph. That’s truly disgusting.

  • AdLib : AB – So true, which is why we need to work for big majorities especially in the swing states because the Voter ID suppression laws could really steal closer victories around to Romney.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : HERE’S A “JOKE” from the NRA event last week in light of the Nugent dustup this week in the wake of the convention. Here it is…..What do Lincoln, JFK and Obama have in common?….Not much…yet. The nastiness is just so overwhelming and horror provoking. I did not hear the joke but a friend who was there did and it was confirmed in two press reports I read.

  • Chernynkaya : Oh Hi Murph! Just stopped typing long enough to see you.

  • AlphaBitch : Cher: Everybody loves a winner.

  • Chernynkaya : There was an interesting piece at Politico today. The way in was written was shameful, but they made the point how polls #’s determine feelings toward candidates and why Romney needs good numbers for the election–even if they are false numbers, they influence voters.

  • KillgoreTrout : I think it’s hilarious that so many students at Liberty University are protesting Romney giving the commencement address. I find that very funny.

  • AdLib : Cher – So true and once the debates begin, I think Romney will have one setback after another. He is such a blatant liar and flip flopper, he’ll never overcome the deficit with women and Latinos and the likeability factor. He is a slimy, lying millionaire and nothing will change that by Nov.

  • BourneID : Hi MTS

  • AlphaBitch : AdLib: (I just typed AdLip, BTW) – remember Florida? And Ohio? It’s Rove again. I shudder.

  • KillgoreTrout : Howdy Murph!

  • AdLib : Hey Murph!

  • Chernynkaya : AL, it’s not only women and Latinos. Mitt is way underwater on so many issues–even in the WSJ poll. He’s the most unlikable in polling since the 60′s.

  • AdLib : We absolutely shouldn’t talk ourselves into complacency, we need to be very active and energetic in working to re-elect Obama but I think we can do so with far more optimism about the outcome than the MSM would have us believe.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : howdy all

  • AlphaBitch : KT: Well put.

  • KillgoreTrout : Todays MSM is a parasite on our democracy, trying to suck the lifeblood out of our election process.

  • AlphaBitch : And hardly anyone I knew believed Bush would be re-elected. Remember: it’s Karl’s pick. I think info needs to get out to remind people what he did to us once.

  • AdLib : AB – I don’t think the corps could be holding back anymore than they have been doing since 2009. The recovery is continuing despite them.

  • Chernynkaya : Not paranoid at all, AB! The cons will do whatever they can–and they have–to stall the recovery. But know what? American business wants to do business! They have done continued damage, but the American econ is just too large to stifle completely.

  • AdLib : Cher – Just what I was saying, the cross tabs show massive support for Obama among key demos and no big advantage for Romney in the major demos. The numbers just don’t add up. This is a total sham being foisted upon the public and it is damaging to our democracy.

  • AlphaBitch : Cher – but what if it doesn’t? And forgive my paranoia (is it just me??) but what is to stop the Chamber folks from getting corps to hold off on hiring decisions until Dec??

  • Chernynkaya : I think the polls are messed up deliberately or ineptly. The crosstabs don’t add up. We’re being played. If election held today, Obama would win in landslide. If econ. continues to improve even a little, he’s win easily.

  • AlphaBitch : From KTs lips to God’s ears.

  • KillgoreTrout : I’ll pay more attention to the polls after the presidential debates begin. I truly think Obama will slice and dice Romney in a debate.

  • AlphaBitch : Remember, Karl the Cockroach is scurrying about. Why the F anyone would let Mr. Porky Rove pick their next President – since he did SOOOO good w/ W, and they would even admit that – is beyond me.

  • AdLib : AB – The thing is, the polls show that women and Latinos favor Obama by large margins and the white male vote is a toss up. How can they possibly be tied?

  • KillgoreTrout : I say the nation is being played.

  • AlphaBitch : MSM is ginning for ratings, and the race WILL be close.

  • AlphaBitch : Yes to both is my vote.

  • AdLib : AB – I saw her wonderful list! I’ve got to add a few more of my own!

  • Chernynkaya : Have you seen that team Obama is not emphsizing the flip-flopper aspect? I think it’s smart. Indies and low infos could tell themselves he’s not truly severely conservative.

  • AdLib : AB – Since the polls are showing a tied race, one thing we can chat about tonight is whether the nation is being played by the MSM or if it really is a close race.

  • AlphaBitch : Groan – and let the puns begin!! Did you catch Kalima’s Christie Kremes????

  • Chernynkaya : Good to be here, KT.

  • AdLib : As a flip flopper, Romney is Colonel Sandals.

  • KillgoreTrout : Doing great AdLib.

  • Chernynkaya : Likewise AB! Howdy!

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey cher, good to see ya here.

  • KillgoreTrout : I think Romney likes Shake and Bake.

  • AlphaBitch : CHER!!!!!!! SO good to see you.

  • AdLib : Hey Cher!

  • AdLib : Killgore – All is well my way, how are you this fine evening?

  • Chernynkaya : Hi all.

  • AlphaBitch : What’s on the table, AL?

  • AdLib : Hope you’re hungry!

  • AlphaBitch : Ha KT. Long time, no do. Cleaned up all my acts ‘cept cussing when I got the students.

  • KillgoreTrout : What’s up AdLib?

  • AdLib : Hey Alpha, Killgore and Bourne!

  • BourneID : Hi AdLib, din’t I see Murph on when I signed in?

  • AlphaBitch : Yikes. Boss is here

  • KillgoreTrout : Happy 4:20 day for those that partake!

  • AdLib : I’m Baaak!

  • AlphaBitch : Nice to hear, KT. Always nice to hear.

  • KillgoreTrout : Bourne, I am doing great, thanks for asking.

  • BourneID : Hi KT I’m okay, how about you?

  • AlphaBitch : It’s been a long hard six month slog, KT. Now back to music and fun.

  • KillgoreTrout : That’s a good thing AB. A little tranquility is a very nice thing.

  • AlphaBitch : Not me, KT. I’m just hanging out. My life is finally settling down some.

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey Bourne and AB, what’s shakin?

  • AlphaBitch : Too much Steak Diane?

  • AdLib : Popping away for just a minute! BRB!

  • BourneID : Well, I cannot believe. I found VP on my first try. Hello everybody.

  • AdLib : Vox Populi, our live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7 pm PST. See you then!

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  • AdLib : Night!

  • SallyT : I’ll be trying to catch them! Good night.

  • AdLib : Okay, I’ll lock up Vox for the night. Sending you positive vibes, Sally!

  • SallyT : See you around later, I hope.

  • AdLib : I like Campbell, she is sharp and a true liberal.

  • SallyT : The former Canadian prime minister kim Campbell is good, tho.

  • SallyT : He has that jerk Matthew Continetti on.

  • AdLib : Tivo is recording Maher now, I prefer watching it that way so I can zip past sections that are poor.

  • AdLib : Well don’t let the hatred of these people get to you, we have to simply beat them with our positive energy this year. Get some rest and hope you feel better very soon!

  • SallyT : Oh, don’t bother with Bill Maher tonight. It wasn’t any good.

  • SallyT : I will turn you loose and let you get away. Have a great weekend.

  • AdLib : Damn…sorry!

  • SallyT : That is probably why I am letting things get to me that I usually can let pass.

  • SallyT : No, AdLib, it is a tough spill right now but I should get better.

  • SallyT : You have that right!

  • AdLib : Sorry Sally, hope you’re feeling better.

  • AdLib : That’s how the 1%ers think, that people are on welfare because they love it and unemployed so they can stay at home. They lack insights and empathy towards 99% of human beings, they are a waste of space and definitely a waste of airtime.

  • SallyT : I don’t ever watch him, really. But, I have been ill and can’t sleep much so I was awake.

  • AdLib : Which is why I don’t watch him, what he has to say is worthless. And I doubt many women who would react negatively to such a BS comment would give him any credence on anything.

  • SallyT : OMG, AdLib, that is like saying a woman chooses to live on the streets because she can be with her children and walk them to school and back again!

  • AdLib : Ye, that’s the 1% mentality I’d expect from that weasel.

  • SallyT : WHAT AN ASSHOLE! A REPUG ANSWER FOR YA!

  • SallyT : He said that there are many women that choose to live in trailer houses for years so they can stay home with there children!!!!

  • AdLib : I can guess but no, what did he say?

  • AdLib : This is all kabuki theater, just a series of gotcha games where people feign outrage and victimhood, reducing politics to trivial issues…so that the ignorant public won’t vote in their own interests. But underestimating the power of the MSM to sway elections would be a mistake.

  • SallyT : I don’t remember the guy who was trying to say what the real point that Rosen was trying to make and that it isn’t an option for too many women to be a stay at home mom. Do you know Joe’s answer?

  • SallyT : And, do you know what that asshole Joe said?

  • SallyT : And, that she has seen Mrs. Romney and how hard she is working on her husband’s campaign. Oh, give me a break!

  • AdLib : Yep, agree on both counts, Mika and Joe are total tools.

  • SallyT : She was saying that it is hard to be a mother. Like she doesn’t have all the help in the world herself with her kids. And the money she makes!!

  • AdLib : But if you were running for office as Obama is, you’d have to consider that advice. Fortunately, we’re not (and I never would want to run for office).

  • SallyT : And let me tell you! I was cussing Morning Joe this morning! That mika is a waste of space! I can not stand her!

  • SallyT : I use to have a boss that always was saying, “Sally, choose your battles. Don’t fall on your sword too soon.” But, I am not running for President.

  • AdLib : As you say, only Rachel was defending Rosen on MSNBC so you had all of CNN, FOX and most of MSNBC branding this toxic. That’s a problem.

  • SallyT : Oh, and Current was way in support of Rosen and against the MSM on the issue.

  • SallyT : However, Rachel was defending Rosen herself tonight. i have to give her that.

  • SallyT : I think the MSM, well especially MSNBC, let Obama and the women voters down more that anything.

  • AdLib : No worries Sally, I’m mostly agreeing with you too. For me, it’s a tactical thing, picking your fights. Maybe this would have been worth it. If this was July and the GE was officially underway, I might be saying exactly what you are but I would rather see Obama keep his powder dry right now, when less voters are engaged and when the MSM could be the only source of opinion voters adopt.

  • SallyT : Saying you have a better understanding of the situation with women voters than Romney will never hurt Obama. And, he won’t have to do much to prove he does. That is evident. And Mrs. Romney won’t help Romney that much at all!

  • SallyT : I am not totally disagreeing with you. Just giving an opinion as I see it. I am not looking for you to accept it as I wasn’t really expecting you to.

  • AdLib : Actually, it was someone from his campaign that couldn’t answer the Ledbetter question at the time it was asked but Romney did sidestep it in the aftermath. Romney has and will continue to have huge problems with women voters, I just don’t want to see Obama fall into the MSM trap of trying to hurt him with women voters.

  • SallyT : Oh, AdLib, Romney was already on the run himself at that time because he didn’t know about the fair wage bill that was one of the first things Obama signed into law. Obama didn’t have to defend the “inappropriate statement” at all. It was already proved that Romney doesn’t know shit about women needs.

  • AdLib : We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one but I do expect and anticipate that Obama will pound this issue hard for us, especially once the General Election is really in full gear. Sleep well tonight Sally, thanks once again for closing the VP bar with me! Have a great weekend!!!

  • SallyT : AdLib, I support this President and I will vote for him but he is could have used this situation to his advantage instead of running so fast in the direction he thought would play for the Repugs. They aren’t going to vote for him anyway. This is my thoughts on it anyway. So, since Bito wasn’t here with the hose, I will go to the showers on my own.

  • AdLib : So why don’t we look at it this way, Obama owes us a strong defense of working women and their lack of choice on staying at home, let alone their evaporating choice when it comes to their own body, pay equality, etc. I think he will deliver on that and the net impact will be no different than if he had done it in this instance. I do think his words will carry more impact though when not surrounded in a firestorm, which one can’t deny was constructed around this situation.

  • SallyT : It isn’t that he needed to support an inappropriate statement at all.

  • AdLib : Agree with your comments below, there is a tactical issue though in the middle of a campaign season and my point is merely that it is a better tactical approach to allow the firestorm to wane then return to the substantive issues about the middle class when people will listen to and report what you are actually saying. I am 100% confident that Obama will be hammering very hard on the 99%/Middle Class/Fairness issue, he has been doing so and will be doing so.

  • SallyT : But, she did say all the rest of it. They just took one sentence and added lighter fluid to it. There has been a lot of women on the internet and on TV for that matter defending her, too.

  • AdLib : So, as you describe, Rosen did say something that wasn’t appropriate. The MSM is pushing the toxicity of what she said but what she said was not appropriate. I appreciate that she meant to say, “Ann Romney never had to go out in the world and earn a living so she doesn’t know how working women feel.” but she didn’t say that. I just don’t think it would be a wise investment of political capital for Obama to have taken hits for supporting what we agree was an inappropriate statement.

  • SallyT : He can use this to his advantage, too. He can say he will ask the women about their needs beside the wage issue. Sure he has a good idea but he doesn’t need to put his wife out front because no one likes him like no one likes Romney but they do his wife.

  • SallyT : They are going to keep setting traps. That is the game. Obama is ahead with women and I am sure it will stay that way. He doesn’t have to run from the topic all together.

  • SallyT : Why can’t Romney ask women himself?

  • SallyT : She error in saying that Mrs Romney hadn’t worked a day in her life when she should have added “outside of the home”. But she also said that Romney going to his wife for enocomic advice was stupid because how could she relate. That was the point. The MSM turned it to a war on mommies.

  • AdLib : What I see is that there is a minefield set up for Obama to win re-election and accomplish all of the things that he wants to do, that would help the middle class, men and women. He has spoken out for the middle class repeatedly but without an electoral mandate and a Dem Congress, he can’t get anything passed to help.

  • SallyT : SHE DIDN’T SAY THAT. You are hearing how MSM repeated it. The MSM is winning on pushing this along.

  • SallyT : See, you just see a battle. THERE IS NO BATTLE in presenting that being a mother is hard work but adding a career on top of it because you can’t afford to live or have healthcare is even harder. The middle class is hurting and that includes the mothers.

  • AdLib : From all the coverage I saw on all the news networks, the consensus even from the MSNBC hosts was that this was a toxic thing to say. Not saying that is factually true but the facts don’t matter to the MSM. If they declare something toxic, it becomes toxic. And that’s what happened here. Should Obama have spent political capital taking heat for defending a fellow Dem who did say that being a housewife isn’t working? I think it would be a mistake.

  • AdLib : Sally – Rosen is involved in the DNC so she is involved in Dem stuff and has attended WH dinners. She said something that the MSM turned radioactive and that Obama would never have said. I just don’t think that when the stakes are this high and someone says something in a way that the MSM turns into something bad, that you pick that fight to have. You have to pick your battles in politics, I don’t see this as a good one, the sooner the fire was put out, the better.

  • SallyT : He wasn’t going to be knocked down. He could have been the one standing. And, the other Democrats needed to speak up, too, not just him. They all ran for cover.

  • SallyT : And, to say “some person on TV” making a comment. He has had Rosen to the White House Dinners. He knows her. He could have corrected the wording or said it wasn’t stated correctly. He didn’t have to belittle her entirely.

  • AdLib : Sally – Here’s my theory. Romney will again say something or have to deal with another anti-woman GOP bill and the issue will be turned against him again. Then, I think you’ll see Obama press this issue about working women.

  • AdLib : Sally – I’m a bit angered by all of this as well but the problem is that it’s nearly impossible for Obama to have a legit discussion about any issue when the MSM is revved up about trying to knock him down and make the race closer. He has to be tactical and that means not pressing issues sometimes when it can be twisted around and used against him. This was a total setup, they were gunning for him on this and he disarmed them. I think that was the best way to deal with them.

  • SallyT : I just think, as a woman that was both a stay at home until I couldn’t afford to stay in an abusive relationship and a working mom that he could have given me a better feeling about it.

  • SallyT : But the fire is not out and it won’t be until something else pops because they have him pedaling now.

  • AdLib : Thanks Killgore! Have a great weekend! Sleep well!

  • SallyT : Good night KT. I will go to bed and calm down.

  • AdLib : Sally – From my POV, the best thing to do on any meme once it catches fire and is burning your way is to put out the fire. Then, you come back to it later when you can address the issue and really be heard. I would guess that if Obama did anything other than put out this fire, no matter what he said, the MSM would only report, “Obama won’t condemn this anti-woman statement.”

  • SallyT : He talked to mothers directly when he was trying to get health care for all and even to the children. He didn’t need to run so fast in the same direction as Romney. He could have presented both sides better.

  • KillgoreTrout : Well good folks, I too must bid you adieu! Sleep tight and I’ll see you all soon.

  • SallyT : No, AdLib, he didn’t have to ignore it. If needed to use it to help him with women. Obama talks to women direct. He doesn’t use his wife. He could speak of his conversations with all of them. Not just stay at home moms.

  • AdLib : Thanks for the recommendation Bourne, I’ll look for it. And thanks for joining us tonight! Have a great weekend!

  • KillgoreTrout : I agree Sally. But you know what a great chess player Obama is! I think he may have done it to help support him in the upcoming debates with Rmoney!

  • AdLib : Sally – I don’t know what the best thing is to do. By responding quickly to knock down the MSM’s ability to paint Obama as anti-woman, he may have done the most advantageous thing. By ignoring it, the MSM which is looking for big sticks to beat Obama’s favorability down, could have instead successfully hung this around Obama’s neck and given ROmney a bigger lifesaver on the anti-woman issue. It’s the sad state of affairs we’re in with a corporate MSM that has its own manipulative agenda. Why was this a story in the first place? It shouldn’t have been. One CNN pundit says something and it’s a wildfire? The fact that this happened proves how the MSM is trying to whip up anti-Obama memes wherever possible.

  • SallyT : They didn’t need to run so fast away from it.

  • SallyT : I am just saying that they could have turned this around to help them too!

  • SallyT : Women work outside the home to Feed the family and get health benefits if you are lucky! Why take away ACA?

  • KillgoreTrout : Nite Bourne and glad to see you are becoming more comfortable on VOX and the Planet as well.

  • SallyT : Okay, get the hose!!!!

  • SallyT : Fair wage for women that is.

  • AdLib : Bourne – I watch MSNBC more than Fox or CNN because I can stomach it more but my purpose is just to see what spin and memes are being thrown out at the public, I’m not one of those who swallows them. Sometimes they have good segments, other times they are merely doing what their corporate bosses pay them to do, muckrake and whip up the viewers. In fact, I find that much of the same conversations are had on most of the shows throughout the day.

  • KillgoreTrout : Sally, exactly. I always trust Joe to keep it real!

  • SallyT : And, that is why we passed the fair wage bill that Wisconsin Gov just overturned!!!!

  • KillgoreTrout : Oh man Ad, me too. The 4th estate used to be the last bastion against undemocratic motiffs and procedures. I do indeed put a lot of stock in the movie Network. Great catch by the way!

  • SallyT : He could have said something that he wasn’t against stay at home moms and yes being a mother is hard work. But, he wished that was an option for more women because it is harder yet when you have to add a career on top of being mom just so you can feed the family!!!!

  • BourneID : Nght Murph. Everyone else, I’m going soon but really recommend The Middle. It is all of us. Great conversation tonight. Thanks all.

  • SallyT : Maybe so, KT, but Biden too and he had just made a speech that day that Romney can’t relate. He asked the audience, “How many of you have a Swiss bank account?”

  • AdLib : Night Murph! Sleep well and dream of Brady Bills jumping over losing NRA candidates!

  • KillgoreTrout : Have a peaceful evening Murph!

  • AdLib : Killgore – True. I know you’re a fan of the movie “Network” as I am, that film really shows the tipping point as news was becoming just another profit center for corporations buying up broadcasting companies. Kind of sad that people just accept a cautionary tale as true and have no recourse to change the way things are. I sure would like a Constitutional Amendment declaring media entities be independent guardians of the public interest, as the Founders intended.

  • BourneID : Hey Murph, I don’t know what your TV schedule is, but if you haven’t seen The Middle you should, Don’t have to spend a week in a $45K per year household, you can see it on Wednesday nights, ABC, 8pm, 7pm central. It is classic, excellent – a completely dysfunctional family, messy, love each other, great kids. It is one of the best shows on TV. I record to be sure I wont miss an episode. Try it.

  • KillgoreTrout : Sally, Obama refuted Hilary’s statement because politically, it was the right thing to do. You know how smart Obama is, and he clearly knows that defending Romney, in this case, will help him look more civilized in the long run. But I agree, Hilary was absolutely right in her claims.

  • SallyT : Oh, and Mommy Grizzly and her shitty comment of “Why do they always attack us for making a choice that they don’t agree with?” Bitch, you are trying to take CHOICE away from us!!!! I love how many times they use that word and don’t understand it from the other side.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Well gang…I am falling asleep…a day of cruising with gun toting trolls has done me in. Wish you all a good night.

  • AdLib : Murph – Yep, it would make for a brilliant documentary, spending a week in the Romney home and seeing all that they have and can do and then a week with an average American household who makes $45,000 a year total. Let’s see just how much of a victim that Ann is compared to 99% of Americans.

  • SallyT : They do, AdLib. But, I am a little disappointed that we were so quick to apologize for this woman’s statement. I think they should have focused more on the point she was trying to make instead of the strikes others thought they had against her.

  • BourneID : AL I know, that’s why I ask myself every day why I’m watching this. I’m smarter than they are; more interested than they are. The current ‘Hosts’ on MSNBC aren’t old enough to remember anything important; they have no sense of history, why we are where we are; they’re news readers. The women look like mannequins, perfect make up, hair, clothes. It’s all hollywood hype.

  • KillgoreTrout : It used to be, that news departments within a corporate ownership didn’t have to show a profit. And losses were considered par for the course, because people valued real reportage and not this shitty mix of entertainment with news. That is no longer the case and corporate owners want to squeeze every dime they can from their broadcasts.

  • AdLib : Sally – So true, take away abortion, contraception, Planned Parenthood, privatize SS and Medicare and the ACA…women will be so hammered, they will be going backwards on most all equality issues. I think most women get that and could care less about this latest manufactured “outrage”.

  • SallyT : Most women don’t have health insurance for their children and that is even those with jobs!

  • SallyT : Most women don’t know if their children will be taken care of it something should happen to them let alone have millions in trust funds for them.

  • AdLib : Bourne – Each of the three major news channels are owned by corporations seeking to exploit certain demographics so they do indeed cater to their viewers while at the same time, try to rile them up. HP is no different, the MSM is what it is, a corporate-minded animal that has one goal, swallowing as much revenue as it can and they will do what works best to achieve that goal.

  • SallyT : Bourne, most women don’t even have a house let alone 5 of them. And most don’t have money in the bank let alone in Swiss accounts.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL endorse your approach on RomneyVision…. a week with an American Family….HAH

  • BourneID : Sally, I agree. Mrs. R won’t be seen as a victim. It’s impossible for the working mom to imagine having the luxury of time and help etc. She’s probably a nice person, but her bridge is a helluva lot higher than mine and 99% of the women we’re talking about. The landscape looks different from her bridge; you can’t see the crap on the ground. You just see the mountain top.

  • SallyT : You really care about stay at home moms? Well, let them earn into SS and get tax breaks for it that might help offset some cost

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, there ARE times when being a part of the 1% is not so advantageous.

  • AdLib : Murph – I believe in judo as the best art in politics, use the opposition’s weight against them. Romney wants to rush over for the, “We’re victims because my wife juts wanted to stay home and raise our kids like many moms would,” then expose what life was really like for these “victims” and how they are frauds on this. You bet they had nannies and maids and gardners and who knows what kinds of tutors and expensive training and classes. Sure ROmney, you want to talk abou your family, let’s have a look at how a 1%er family lives and how the rest of us live.

  • SallyT : Believe me, most women would close to stay home with their children for at least the first 10 yrs if they could afford to do that. But they can’t. And taking away birth control and invading their bodies isn’t going to make it better.

  • BourneID : AL, you know where I see and hear all of this stuff we’re talking about now? MSNBC. They spend more air time talking about Romney and GOP than they do about the Dems. Why? They’re preaching to the choir. We don’t watch them because we like to be challenged and think and hear differently; no we watch because they’re on our side. Chris M is the worst – he predicts one day the prez will lose based on polls, then the polls change and he predicts the prez will win, then somethng else happens. They don’t challenge; they don’t demand – they just want the prez to.

  • SallyT : Not to many women are going to see Mrs. Romney as a victim here.

  • AdLib : Sally – That is the point that should continue to be made. 99% of women don’t have husbands that are quarter billionaires and can afford to stay home and raise 5 kids. That and making the point that the wealthy don’t know first hand what it’s like to HAVE to work for a living.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL I worked for the Jerry Ford campaign. He was a very decent and competent person. He made a difficult decision re. the Nixon pardon, which we can debate at another time, BUT the MSM of the day set out to skewer him because of all of the money, fame, and power lost for lack of a Nixon trial. The game then is the same now…the MSM operate in service to their own aims first and foremost.

  • SallyT : Because they are after that woman vote, AdLib. The commies always vote Democrat.

  • KillgoreTrout : I think that getting Mrs. Romney into this debate about women is stupid. The damage has been done, by Romney himself. Just the fact that he proposes to eliminate Planned Parenthood alone, is too much to come back from. He is clearly not on the side of women, and they know he isn’t, no matter what claptrap comes out of Mrs. Romney. I think the Romneys are just digging a deeper whole for themselves, which is about par for the course with Romney.

  • AdLib : Bourne – Yep, saw that. Allen West also did that McCartyite attack on Dems in Congress being commies. How come Romney wasn’t dinged for that but Obama is supposed to be dinged for this?

  • AdLib : Murph – Exactly. Romney has done far worse, refusing to condemn Limbaugh’s chauvinist attacks and yet even that didn’t become such a massive story like this BS. I repeat, the MSM is a partner in trying to tarnish Obama in pursuit of a closer contest.

  • SallyT : KT, were is Bito with that water hose. Here is where I get fired up!!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…more of that maid on current would grease the skids on the topic of Family Life at the Romneys

  • BourneID : I saw that Sally. un be lieve able.

  • SallyT : Believe me, there are more working moms than stay at home because most women don’t have the option of staying home because they can’t afford it!

  • BourneID : AL so you ddidn’t read Allen West saying Obama won’t debate him because the prez is afraid? Maybe that included unknown pundits.

  • AdLib : Murph – I think the Romneys could open a real can of worms by trying to exploit this “housewife” thing, as the facts about daily life in the Romney household come out. I mean, is operating the car elevator, one of the kid’s chores? Or counting the Krugerrand?

  • SallyT : Bourne, you will also see the article I posted from the Catholic League that had to say that Rosen is a lesbian and adopted her children and didn’t give birth to them like Ann Romney! Bull Shit!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL….I agree about Rosen and add this…why do the Dems act so weak in the face of challenges like this. Rosen was not a spokesperson for anyone Dem BUT if you the GOP want to play that way then call on Romney to apologize for every GOP foot in mouth moment (attn Congr. West) and every Fox outrage. AND after that make the point that Rosen’s basic position was correct, Romney does not make a good representative for the needs of those who work for a wage because they must.

  • AdLib : Bourne – There isn’t much swearing around here…at least not as much as she would hear around her high school and it’s far outweighed by thoughtful discussion, I don’t think 16 year olds would be shocked by anything that’s blogged here.

  • BourneID : Thanks Sally. I haven’t been there so I’ll go later.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…the maid basically said that the romneys were nice but pampered and Ann was very well taken care of. Liked her but knew she knew nothing about the life of most women esp. those for whom work was survival.

  • KillgoreTrout : ad, well said. Music in the 60s and early 70s really did reflect the social and political atmosphere of the times. I think there was far more though behind the music then. Of course, we too had our Bubble gum and silly music. But by far there was much more social, spiritual and politcal commentary. I like your term, McDonaldization.

  • SallyT : You will see both KT and Bito commenting on it.

  • SallyT : It is on AdLib’s article today in my comments.

  • BourneID : Sally, nice meeting you. Where can i find the link? I’m new and usually lost on the site but getting better.

  • SallyT : I put a link up earlier to that maid that called in.

  • AdLib : Murph – Rosen was doing what she’s paid to do, be an outspoken pundit on CNN. Fox has pundits saying far more outrageous things all through the day every day…but the MSM is not as interested in jumping on the GOP as they are in trying to knock Obama down or pump ROmney up so the Presidential contest will be more competitive and lucrative to them. Why on Earth should a virtually unknown pundits opinion become something Obama has to deal with???

  • BourneID : Murph, give us more on Mrs Rpmney’s maid. I asked one of my friends on HP if he/she thought Mrs R ever asked her staff who’s taking care of their kids. Was it positive or negative?

  • KillgoreTrout : I agree Bourne. It is an interesting subject. I think there IS something to be said for “the school of hard knocks.” But then again, I think the majority of kids joining gangs is more the rule that the exception. Kids join gangs not only for economic reasons, but for protection from other gangs as well. America does have a very big gang problem, no doubt about it.

  • SallyT : There is a lot more “shock factor” to the music now, too.

  • BourneID : AdLib, I’ll invite her next time she’s on; I assume she might come back the weekend; don’t she lets anythng interfere, I’ll let you know, BUT I’m concerned about our adult language – it might constrict conversation; your thoughts and everyone else here.

  • AdLib : Killgore – I will be a snob like that and say that it is the corporate domination of everything that has made the quality of most things today inferior. Music included. The corporate marketing of music based more on the appearance of the performer and the McDonaldization of music to the simplest, most familiar and lowest common denominator just can’t compare with artist inspired music from generations passed.

  • AdLib : Night Foodchain, so nice to see you!

  • BourneID : KT interested in what you just wrote re kids who are born without to worry about thing – less crime. I taught in crime area in Sac; gangs, problems, economically depressed. Teachers and I taled often about the fact we weren’t worried that our kids woud come in and shoot up the school. Seems to happen in middle to upper middle class. Our kids have coping skills; they learn to survive; no time for games and other amusements because no money to buy them. Interesting studies could come from this.

  • AdLib : Killgore – I was a bit skeptical at first about the abortion/crime proposition but the reasoning did come off as sensible and viable to me. Kids that are not socialized because they aren’t wanted become more sociopathic. It’s kind of simple.

  • KillgoreTrout : That’s truly encouraging Bourne. No doubt.

  • foodchain : Night all. Be better company soon

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…Ms Rosen misspoke…the truth Ann Romney has never worked for a paycheck…she had no need to….this morning on Liberally Speaking the Current TV program with Stephanie Miller, one of Ann’s maids was a guest….eye opener.

  • KillgoreTrout : Ah, but our music really had something to say. No Justin Biebers or Maddona wanna bes.

  • AdLib : Bourne – I think someone like this young lady should pop by The Planet and participate. Young people can bring fresh perspectives which are always welcome here and they can also benefit from the many well informed but considerate people here.

  • KillgoreTrout : Well, it makes sense to me Ad. People who have the basic needs of life are much less likely to commit crimes and the fewer babies born to families or single mothers that can’t supply those needs, the less crime committed. It really does stand to reason.

  • AdLib : So how long do you think Romney is going to beat this dead horse about his wife being attacked by a CNN pundit and trying to blame Obama and all Dems for it? It was already played out today and his blatant exploitation of it at the NRA speech, even pulling his wife up there as (once again) the Righteous Victim that all Repubs need to be.

  • BourneID : KT, this gal is great. I am really impressed. We don’t talk to these kids; we assume they’re all the same. They aren’t. We just don’t reach them. This young lady has more class, refinement..talk ed about books she’d read, her papers…it’s thrilling to see something like this. Hey AdLib, how about a PlanetPOV for high schoolers and college age?

  • AdLib : Killgore – There are different segments of the youth, some are the video game addicts while some are the OWS protesters. The good thing is that this crop of college aged kids are, by necessity, far more activist than many previous ones.

  • KillgoreTrout : Nite Kes, and thanks for stopping by, especially after all the hard work you do.

  • SallyT : Yah, cause those hooked on rock music grow up to be us, KT!

  • BourneID : Murph, she is a class act…advanced thinking skills.

  • KillgoreTrout : Bourne, they ARE the future of this nation, literally. It’s comforting to know that they aren’t all hooked on video games and pop music!

  • AdLib : Night Kes! Sleep well!

  • BourneID : Bye Kess, nice meeting you

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…I second that emotion….the young lady is a class act

  • AdLib : I’m not saying that this is an absolute truism but check out the Freakonomics theory on legal abortion and the ongoing decline of violent crime: «link»

  • kesmarn : I’m gonna have to check out as well, friends. It’s been a looooooong week. Have a wonderful weekend all!

  • SallyT : It will, KT, it will!

  • BourneID : Hey KT met the exception to that newswatching thing. Last week a 16 year old high school student, beautiful black girl (her picture was on her profile page) had 10 fans and posted a tremendous para about why everyone has to be so rude, so angry, don’t to talk across the aisle and how is she as a young person supposed to feel since she’s just begining to get interested in politcis. Said she and her best friend want to do a youtube site where they encourage others of their age to get involved with things other than FB, and other stuff they do. Very bright,very promising. Someone responded and told her to “get used it, that’s the way it is.” She responded, “Why should I accept the way it is?” Loved it. There’s hope. We have to listen and talk to these kids.

  • KillgoreTrout : Yes Sally with all that home “scholling,” our nation will drop many more collective IQ points.

  • AdLib : Night AB and you owe an explanation on “itchy monkey” don’t forget that!

  • SallyT : I don’t know how much it may have contributed to it but I think crime is down because we have better educated people. Now, take away education and we may see a reversal.

  • AdLib : Sally – Sad but true and the law now in AZ.

  • KillgoreTrout : Itchy Monkey? Sleep tight AB, always fun when you join in.

  • kesmarn : AB, have a great weekend and just sit back and watch that food disappear. Are armadillos good eatin’?

  • AlphaBitch : OK, saddle pals. It’s my nighty night time. Rest well, and I’ll read up in the mornin’. I”m sure the locusts will sleep in. Gives me time to enjoy a cuppa in my MB mug, and scroll down the VP. How cool that we have all these ‘breviations! You guys ROCK and make Fridays so much more fun!!!! (except when there’s an Itchy Monkey or some good music….now ponder that one)

  • AdLib : AB – Great story and I know how much some Texans hate armadillos!

  • SallyT : Well, AL, according to AZ law, life begins after the bloody place.

  • kesmarn : AdLib, I wonder if the decline in crime also has to do with having a Dem Prez (with increase in the level of hope). Crime went down under the Clinton admin, too.

  • KillgoreTrout : I think with all the technology that allows much greater access to news stories is a part of it too. For someone who watches too much news, they see the world as a very scary place, thus they feel a greater need to arm themselves. Sad really.

  • AdLib : So if the RW bars abortion, we may see a sharp increase in violent crime along with SYG laws in place, America could become a bloody place.

  • AdLib : And BTW, violent crime is generally down all over America, a trend that according to Freakonomics, has to do with abortion being legalized and unwanted children not turning to desperation and crime.

  • AlphaBitch : Sally! Whoop!

  • AdLib : Hey Sally!!!

  • AlphaBitch : AL: True story. I once drove to the country to visit my “illegitimate mother”, who was in her 70s at the time. She came out in her nighty, with blood everywhere. Freaked me out. She wasn’t even aware of it, and when I asked WTF happened, she told me she had been shooting the armadillos who were eating her garden! Guns are a way of life for some.

  • kesmarn : Hey, Sally!

  • BourneID : Kes I don’t ike the shoot em part either, but it looks like good bumper sticker material and “sounds” like the GOP mantra.

  • KillgoreTrout : Oh Ad, definitely fear. Without a doubt. With the rise of gangs in America, it kind of makes sense. Home invasions and such.

  • AdLib : And back then, people actually did shoot game for food!

  • kesmarn : Sometimes I wish those TV westerns had never been made. Too many problems were neatly “solved” in 30 minutes with gunfire.

  • SallyT : Did someone call for the Indians?

  • AdLib : Killgore – But nowadays, I think those into guns do it for a different reason. Fear and power, whereas in the Old West, it was a necessary tool for protection because there weren’t police forces around.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…the leadership is very bleached out…I know the guy you are talking about….he was on several other shows today….no he is not typical

  • AlphaBitch : Yeppers Murph. To those yokels, Obama would have to be a “them”.

  • KillgoreTrout : I think that a lot of the reason for massive gun ownership is that America is a war like nation. It’s also romanticism about the old west and the gangster days of the 20s and 30s.

  • kesmarn : Greetings, Bourne! But I’m not exactly in sympathy with the “Shoot ‘em all…” sentiment. Too scary for me! :-D

  • AlphaBitch : Blessed are the ……you know the rest, AL. “Make sense to the NRA” is its own special oxymoron, with emphasis on the MORON.

  • AdLib : Murph – I saw an NRA spokesman on MSNBC today, he looked like a meek, frightened little fat man with glasses. Sound like anyone you saw there?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…in a room full of loud talking white guys competing for the best cowboy or tough guy look….Obama is a “them”

  • AlphaBitch : Murph: And why do you think they think the Pres is a “them”?

  • AdLib : So wouldn’t it make sense, to turn back the anarchy that they are trying to instill, to point out what the end result of the NRA’s power would be?

  • BourneID : Kes, we haven’t met either. “Shoot em all and let God sort em out” is THE perFECT bumper sticker! You have my vote.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…now if you want to get into the crazies…get into the crowd there….a lot of the folks who attend NRA meetings are frightened, anxiety driven, fearful of all of those “thems” out there (with the prez as their leader)….

  • AlphaBitch : AL: We can swap stories sometimes. I lived in Jasper and Woodinville – DEEP E. Texas – while working as an archaeology assistant. Deliverance times ten.

  • kesmarn : I think they always feel that they’ll be the last one standing, AdLib. “Shoot ‘em all and let God sort ‘em out” is not entirely a joke with them.

  • KillgoreTrout : That’s exactly it AdLib. The firearms industry has a lobbyist group, and they’re called the NRA!

  • AlphaBitch : The NRA doesn’t give a shit about America or they wouldn’t push guns as an answer to everything.

  • AdLib : AB – Yep, East TX is very much the same as NW Louisiana and that’s not a good thing.

  • AlphaBitch : Bourne: Wichita Falls is a scary place, for many reasons. Same reason why I claim east Texas is really just more Louisiana.

  • AdLib : So if it is all about owning guns, then it is just a sociopathic, corporate mentality at play here? That simple and insane? And the ultimate goal would be people shooting each other everywhere, fear and havoc throughout the country and death everywhere. That’s the America the NRA wants?

  • AlphaBitch : I once read a transcript of a trial, where the Texas judge stated: Don’t quote Federal law to me. I don’t give a damn about Federal law. This is Texas, and all I care about is Texas law.

  • KillgoreTrout : kes, yeah, it was during the Indian Wars in the 1900s west.

  • BourneID : AlpheBitch – are you really one? Love the way you talk. Texas is a little scary. i spent 3 onths in Wichita Falls going to budget school when I worked as civilian for AF. Sent me there in April at beginning of tornado season; I was afraid for three months. Told my boss he didn’t send me there to learn budget; he sent me there to die. Now they’re in California.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Romney at the NRA speaking to defend guns and gun toters…but…. On July 1, 2004, Romney signed a permanent state ban on assault weapons, saying at the signing ceremony for the new law, “Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts. These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.” The law extended a temporary measure that had been in effect since 1998 and covered weapons such as the AK-47, Uzi, and MAC-10. The same law also modified some other aspects of general firearms licensing regulations.

  • kesmarn : I did not know that, KT.

  • KillgoreTrout : kes, that’s actually what the Winchester rifle was referred to. The great equalizer.

  • AlphaBitch : Do I see my guy Bito up there?

  • AlphaBitch : Bourne: Has to be a Texas judge. I know many who do.

  • BourneID : FC especially if the judge is the one who keeps it in his drawer. I’m sure I read it somewhere.

  • KillgoreTrout : I’m thinking the old Lynard Skinner song, “Give Me Three Steps Mister!”

  • kesmarn : I think it’s even more lizard-brain than that, AdLib. I think many of them are people who are so old and/or out of shape that they know they would never have a chance in physical confrontation. So guns to them are the great equalizer.

  • AlphaBitch : I believe greed and fear are the biggest motivators for people. The NRA is served by greed borne on people’s fears.

  • BourneID : Murph, I didn’t see Allen but that’s a question I’m interested in I cannot help comparing this to the Casey Anthony case…sloppy, scary police work. Her daughter missing and grandma reported it when she learend it 30 days later. i think FL has big problems. KT and I have been discussing this.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…look at the sponsors of the NRA..gun manufacturers who believe in driving the market higher and higher…never enough guns…never enough ammunition…a firearms culture

  • KillgoreTrout : Ad, it’s all about gun sales. The NRA actually cares very little about the 1st amendment, although they’ll never admit it.

  • AdLib : AB – I’ll post it as a comment…or maybe as a post for everyone to join in!

  • kesmarn : And there’s Cher’s oldie: “Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves, They surely make me wanna stand my ground…”

  • AdLib : A question to all here, what do you think is the actual goal of the NRA through the SYG laws? Do they want havoc in the streets and rampant murders? Do they just want everyone scared so they buy guns? Then what, once everyone has bought guns, they don’t need more. What’s the ultimate purpose?

  • foodchain : Hi Bourne, I don’t know about guns in court rooms, but it sure would make the attorneys and judge think a bit

  • KillgoreTrout : Ah yes AdLib, the Wu Tang Clan! And the Earp clan!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Did anyone else see Alan M. Dershowitz this week arguing that Zimmerman will likely get off because of the constraints place on prosecution by the FL law and because of the failures in the initial on site investigation.

  • AlphaBitch : Good un’ AL! Go with it.

  • AdLib : AB – I’m thinking about a parody of Everybody Have Fun Tonight, “Everyone shoot guns tonight!”

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, it’s a horrible law. Both parties in a shoot out could claim their life was threatened. It’s definitely a vigilante’s wet dream.

  • foodchain : Ad, this does encourage a slim and active mind

  • BourneID : Oh geez, AdLib, you had to bring me out of retirement. Not my eyes, my fingers. Do you know how many times I have to retype words because I’m not in the right place? So as long as I’m back, FC (we haven’t met) re your gun in the courtroom. Wasnht’ther;e somethng recently about a judge who brought keeps a gun in and displayed it? or was that a TV show?

  • AlphaBitch : AL: So that justifies road rage???? You’re afeared that some sumbitch will swerve into your lane?????

  • kesmarn : It would made old Dodge City look like an Anglican book discussion group, KT.

  • AdLib : Killgore – The thing about SYG is that it uses the shooter’s “belief” as his defense. As long as one believes their life is in immediate danger, they can murder.

  • KillgoreTrout : Wow kes, can you imagine all the gun play.

  • foodchain : Kes, hi! and yeah, Hmmmmmm. I’d be seriously worried

  • AlphaBitch : Just thinking of a Woody Guthrie version for Mr. Z: “This ground is my ground, that land is my ground, from where you live now to where I stand now. And I will shoot you, no need to loot me; this law was made for guys like me!”

  • kesmarn : As a Lib, if I walked into a FL Tea Party demo, I might be in fear for my life. Hmmmmm…..

  • AdLib : Bourne – We will be publishing the “PlanetPOV Diet Book for Eyes” soon, which demonstrates how participating in Vox Populi will keep your eyes slim and in shape!

  • foodchain : Bourne, I know. I’m watching tv with hubby, he’s watching and doing words with friends, hah

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, that’s a very good question. But I think the fear of death has to be an immediate fear.

  • foodchain : Ad, if you can take guns to church and bars, i’d bet courtrooms are next.

  • AdLib : I tweeted this but technically, if Zimmerman was in court and felt threatened for his life, because of the death penalty, couldn’t he legally shoot a judge and jury?

  • BourneID : Okay, everyone. I’m going to sit back and listen for 15 minutes. I’m working harder trying to up with all of you than i do on my treadmill everyday. Keep talking.

  • foodchain : ((((((Kiss)))))

  • AlphaBitch : AH, FC,yes you are!

  • foodchain : AB, well, I can’t say I am so much now but…..

  • AlphaBitch : “STAND your ground” does NOT equal “CHASE your prey” or “WALK your ground”, Mr. Z.

  • AdLib : AB and Killgore – I could dress up as Tommy Gun, the kiddies pal.

  • KillgoreTrout : I wouldn’t wear chaps in a roomful of guys with penis envy!

  • foodchain : I thought Bloomberg said a good thing about stand your ground as a thinly veiled excuse for vigilantism

  • AlphaBitch : FC: Cute, huh!

  • BourneID : OMG – THE ZIMMERMAN EFFECT? murph do they ever mention law enforcment deaths, such as in VT (?) and Modesto this week? Do they care?

  • AlphaBitch : Afghanistan) with a cowboy hat and a six shooter. Hilarious – or at least to me.

  • foodchain : AB, I have chaps and I know what that looks like, lol

  • AlphaBitch : I once dressed up in a burqa (from

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, the human RPG!

  • AlphaBitch : AL; Wear chaps without pants. that’s a real show stopper.

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, just make sure you wear a “vest.”

  • AlphaBitch : I’ve got a turban I can lend you and a shalwar kameez.

  • foodchain : Ad, maybe someone should yell THIEF and they’d shoot everyone

  • AdLib : I’ll dress up like a grenade launcher.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: Wear your invisibility cloak.

  • BourneID : Murph, oh crap for get the question I just asked. Sent it then saw the speakers list.

  • AdLib : Hey, maybe I’ll go to the next NRA convention, stand in the middle of the hall and yell at the top of my lungs, “LOOK OUT, HE’S GOT A GUN!” and watch them all shoot each other.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL…One of the Seminars, I kid you not. “Self Protection and the American Gun: The Zimmerman Event.”

  • KillgoreTrout : Ah yes Bourne, more Alaskan “beat poetry!”

  • AlphaBitch : KT: SEriously. The man obviously has no friends. They would tell him the truth – that that ‘stache has to go.

  • BourneID : Murph, do they have guest speakers at the NRA convention? Maybe Sara Palin would be a great choice..idiot.

  • KillgoreTrout : AB, Koo koo ka choo!

  • AlphaBitch : AL: good one.

  • AdLib : Murph – Did the NRA invite Zimmerman as a special speaker?

  • foodchain : He IS a walrus

  • AlphaBitch : JOhn the Walrus Bolton?

  • AlphaBitch : Where is CL??

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Speakers at the NRA event: Governor Mitt Romney Senator Rick Santorum Speaker Newt Gingrich Congressman Darrell Issa Senator Roy Blunt Former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton Leadership Forum Speakers Hon. Ken Blackwell Lt. Col. Oliver North Governor Scott Walker U.S. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor Governor Bobby Jindal Senator Chuck Grassley Leadership Forum Speakers Governor Rick Perry

  • foodchain : AB, a bumper sticker: demand secession! Take your guns to town

  • AlphaBitch : KT: Again, Blessed are the dumbfucks. Read Lamb – you will NOT be disappointed!

  • BourneID : AdLib, I’ll contact you and Murph and anyone else who wants to help script my questions. I think I’ll find out if CL wants to go with me – it’s not until May or June. We could be quite a pair, right?

  • KillgoreTrout : AB, i was on a Yahoo thread earlier, about Atheists on the Rise In America.” The nastiest, most hateful comments came from those defending religion. Go figure!

  • AlphaBitch : Murph: I DO have a fondness for knives and daggers, I must admit. A friend wanted me to get a charm to put on her necklace (each charm represents a close friend). When asked what I wanted, I said “A sword”. Made sense to me, but they are hard to find. got one on line.

  • kesmarn : Them young ‘uns has them ultra-rapid metabolisms. A rice cake will add 15 to someone of my vintage, AB.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : oin us for the 141st NRA Annual Meetings and Exhibits at America’s Center in the heart of St Louis, MO April 13-15, 2012. With over 500 exhibitors covering 340,000 square feet of exhibit hall space, educational seminars, celebrities, and fun filled special events, bring the whole family- there will be something for everyone! Spend the day exploring the products from every major firearm company in the country, book the hunt of a lifetime in our exclusive outfitter section, and view priceless collections of firearms in our gun collector area. You’ll also see knives, wildlife art, shooting accessories, hunting gear, ATV’s, and much more!

  • AlphaBitch : Kes: Aren’t they all (skinny). Why does my arse grow just nibbling while they wolf it down???

  • AlphaBitch : Murph: Be sure and go pray these people find Jesus and quit acting like horse patooties.

  • kesmarn : AB, I don’t know if half of Costco will do it. Son just ordered 30 hot wings… for himself! And he’s skinny!

  • AdLib : Hey Kes!!!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : «link» Note on the Program: “Note: The city of St. Louis prohibits the carrying of firearms at the America’s Center Convention Complex.” AND they have a prayer breakfast on Sunday AM.

  • AdLib : Bourne – You can quote the GAO and the recent economic analysis of a variety of economists that Lungren is saying something that’s false. And if he quotes that “analysis” that came out this week saying that the ACA would cost billions, you can cut him off and say that it was paid for by the Koch borthers and not an independent , objective analysis.

  • AlphaBitch : Kes: A little tipsy, with one extra 22 year old male and a 16 year old German showing up tomorrow. THREE young males, or as I call it: The plague of locusts. Bought half of Costco, I did.

  • BourneID : Murph like the Bourne free = have to work on that. clever.

  • foodchain : Ad, so consistent with their attitude of hating us and hurting themselves and looking stupid as they do it

  • kesmarn : Hey KT, and all. How’s everyone this Friday?

  • AlphaBitch : FC: Amen.

  • foodchain : AB, watching any of this group seek approval for their behavior??? I’m thinking lots of on the knees groveling,crying , weeping , pleading/ It should be televised

  • AlphaBitch : Kes! Cuz I lubs you, honey!

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey kes!

  • AlphaBitch : AL; Maybe a bumper sticker with all our fuck ups just saying “Maybe we SHOULD just secede!” Although it will surely get me keyed/broken into/flat tired.

  • kesmarn : AB!! You are quick! I just flew in for a minute (on my broomstick?) after a loooooong Friday.

  • AdLib : AB – Blessed are the dumbfucks for someone has to buy fried butter on a stick.

  • AlphaBitch : AL; you gots Issa.

  • BourneID : AL Just got one of his mailings warning that Obamacare will bankrupt Meicare; I plan to ask why he still has his on federal healthcare if it’s so horrible and threatening. Voted for him for years for Attny General in CA and Congress. No more…true hypocrite. Everytime town halls were held anywhere and people came in with guns, he was the one who shuld yelled loudest – chief law enforcment officer in this state says nothing.

  • AdLib : AB – That’s quite a tough League of Extraordinary Weasels to beat but CA has its share too!

  • AlphaBitch : KES!!! I still haven’t mailed your gift. shame on me.

  • KillgoreTrout : Saw an article on Yahoo, should romney pick a female VP. I thought, no, too obvious a move to placate women after the damage has been done. Opinions?

  • AlphaBitch : FC: My stated goal and prayer is to die 5 minutes BEFORE Dick Cheney (that way I cannot wish he’d drop dead, which would be my Biff like bitchatude) so that I can watch him when he tries to get into the Pearly Gates. It’d be worth it, but I think my time may be growing short….

  • foodchain : CRAPTURED is a great starting principle

  • AlphaBitch : Blessed are the dumbfucks, AL?

  • AdLib : Bourne – Lungren is in the Santorum league for intellectually limited RWers. It should actually be interesting I’d think.

  • AlphaBitch : Hate to brag, but we provided Perry, Bush, Joke Corndog (John Cornyn) and the Breck Girl Hutchison. Not to mention Louie Gohmert (he’s a Gomer, all right).

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Free Bourne…Bourne Free…..A bumper sticker awaiting your political imprisonment when you take on the West admirer.

  • foodchain : and they fart a LOT

  • KillgoreTrout : AB, I’ll have to check it out.

  • BourneID : I’m planning to go to the next town hall meetng o of my illustrious rep, Dan Lungren, the one who is “fascinated by Allen West. Let you know, that is if I’m not in jail.

  • KillgoreTrout : Yeah, teenagers love to make fart jokes.

  • AlphaBitch : KT: Have you read me and CL’s fave book, Lamb? Joshua (aka Jesus) wanted the beatitude: “BLessed are the dumbfucks, for they shall not be disappointed”. Sums up the GOP to me.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL – yes, all of these conserv organizations are all strung together now. It is big news when one, like the CATO institute resists a Koch Brothers takeover rather than rolling over for them.

  • foodchain : KT, hang out with teen boys and you’d think they are put here to fart around :-)

  • KillgoreTrout : I like Vonnegut’s reply to the question, what is the meaning of existence. He said “We are put here to fart around, and don’t let anyone tell you differently!”

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne- I do my best to stay above the muck at those events but it is not easy or fun.

  • AlphaBitch : FC: My favorite was the word “craptured” – borrowed from Peace Kitten’s article here and with really cool graphics about being kicked off PuffHo. Put it w/ a pix of Palin and the slogan “If I’m elected, you’ll all be CRAPTURED”

  • foodchain : I’m going to make some up saying: “another GOP for Obama” as an influence in my GOP neighborhood

  • BourneID : Love the bumper sticker idea; we shold do that before newt disappears.

  • AdLib : Foodchain – Great suggestion! A bumper sticker contest would be a lot of fun!

  • foodchain : We need a bumper sticker contest

  • KillgoreTrout : I like it AB.

  • AdLib : Murph – Like the rest of the conservative groups, all the NRA has anymore are lies. Obama has done NOTHING anti-gun so they just say that he does and howl that he’s waiting to do the worst anti-gun laws after being re-elected. Who but the already mindless supporters would buy it?

  • AlphaBitch : My favorite bumper sticker (aside from my own, which I make) was “Shut up and dance”.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AB…not so stealthy….My GOP friends love introducing me as their “progressive friend”….let the attempted brainwashing begin.

  • AlphaBitch : KT: That’s a gem! I loved it!

  • KillgoreTrout : AB, I once saw a bumper sticker that read, “whooked on fonics really phucked me up! I thought it was hilarious.

  • AlphaBitch : Murph, you are so stealth. LOVE that!

  • BourneID : Murph, good for you. YOu made not $$ contribution to that jackass. Worse in person? Dear God, can’t imagine worse than he is on TV. Glad you went; first hand is always better, otherwise we have to rely on Fox for info.

  • AlphaBitch : KT: Dallas. I can’t say more. Narcissism in it’s municipal form.

  • KillgoreTrout : AB, not really, he turned out to be an asshole.

  • AlphaBitch : Hey Murph – this will cheer you up! I just found out I’m DAR material. Wow, will they ever be surprised!!!!

  • foodchain : AB, and I thought it was cattle country!

  • AdLib : AB – You are incredibly cool!!! Hope it’s a lovely weekend!

  • AlphaBitch : FC: There is a bumper sticker to the effect: “Foat Wuth, I luv ewe”.

  • AdLib : If you haven’t read my latest post, what do you think about the MSM trying to smear Obama as anti-woman…wit h a quote from a CNN pudnut who has nothing to do with him?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : KT, AB, AL, AND Bourne….Takeaw ays from the NRA convention. LOTS of political lobbying…all anti Obama (who has done little to restrict guns, in fact, very little) as a potential threat (code language for “what is that black guy still hanging around the White House for”)….white folks everywhere….lo ts of gun exhibts…….to ns of petitions to sign…..and many seminars (about how to fight Democrats, how to strengthen state pro gun laws) and Romney who is not a good fit there (so wooden, so phoney, so uninspired)….w orse in person than I could have ever imagined. A GOP friend took me. I paid nothing and joined nothing.

  • AlphaBitch : AL: The Pup lives with us – this is a boy who came over for high school the same year as the Pup. He lived in Alabama. Came back to Austin, where we met. I took care of him for six weeks when he had foot surgery a year ago. He’s a sweetheart, and I’m so glad he’s “back home” in Texas!

  • foodchain : Hey AB, Foat Wuth!!!! Keeper

  • AdLib : AB – Alpha Pup? Say hi from Uncle Adlib!

  • AlphaBitch : KT: You get a medal for befriending anyone from Big D. I luv Foat Wuth, but hates the Dallas.

  • foodchain : Murph, you’re a glutton for punishment

  • AdLib : Murph – Coincidental how they always hold NRA conventions in high crime, high murder cities, huh?

  • KillgoreTrout : Ha AB. I was amazed at how many people were NOT from CA, but migrated there. I had a friend from Dallas.

  • AlphaBitch : We are watching Doomsday and the Mayans on History. Really???

  • AlphaBitch : Nuttin much AL. Got my adopted Afghan son here this weekend from Austin.

  • AdLib : Hey AB!!! What up?!

  • AlphaBitch : KT!! Being a native Texan, we are seldom welcome in any of the “C” states. Do pretty good with the “A” states, though.

  • MurphTheSurf3 : The Convention was held at at the Heart of America Convention Center in downtown St. Louis.

  • foodchain : We were in the Petaluma/Sebasto pol area in the spring–family. Like SF pretty much but cold

  • KillgoreTrout : Hey AB!

  • AdLib : Murph – Any takeaways from the NRA convention?

  • KillgoreTrout : Bourne, back in 86. I am still kicking myself for leaving. Paradise.

  • AlphaBitch : Hey ho heavenly bodies! Popping in briefly to say hi. Weather – what can you do?? (Except be prepared). MURPH: an NRA convention???? Yikes!!

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, I was really surprised when I first moved to the area, how republican it was. Most of it in La Joilla.

  • AdLib : Bourne, yep, very pleased to have a bigger Planet presence up north! Cher and PatsyT help me keep So Cal properly Planetized.

  • BourneID : Murph, where In St.Louis?

  • MurphTheSurf3 : I was at the NRA convention today because I wanted to see Romney and the bagful of nuts who gather at those events. Very depressing.

  • BourneID : KT, Sam Diegois almost too great to believe. When did you leave?

  • KillgoreTrout : Loved to have seen these dominionists standing around Mt. Saint Helens when it blew!

  • AdLib : Killgore – I used to live in San Diego a while back as well! Aside from being more Republican than it should be, a nice town.

  • BourneID : AdLib Found out yesterday CL is from Sacramento and SueinCA lived here but moved down the road closer to SF. CA well represented here.

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, I used to live about 30 miles north of San Diego, and most of our yearly rainfall came in December. Torrents of rain for nearly 3 weeks, then beautiful weather for the next 11 months.

  • AdLib : Hey Foodchain! How are ya?!

  • foodchain : Hi btw everyone

  • foodchain : Really, if the earth is our for fun then why is it doing this?

  • AdLib : Killgore, I thought Man was to have dominion over the Earth. Wish the RR would stand in front of a tornado and try to assert dominion over it.

  • KillgoreTrout : I love Nature, but respect her ability to make us humans look like ants, in the power department.

  • AdLib : Killgore – We’ve been having an ideal Winter out here in LA for the most part, I don’t mind the rain but the storms that do damage to others is messed up.

  • KillgoreTrout : Smart move AdLib.

  • KillgoreTrout : The weather here in central Ohio has been very agreeable lately.

  • AdLib : My weather story is flying out of Louisiana the day before Katrina.

  • AdLib : Doing well Killgore, drying out from today’s rainstorms.

  • KillgoreTrout : I was hit by the tail end of hurricane Irene last summer. A big, fully grown oak tree was snapped like a toothpic. Whew!

  • AdLib : Hey Bourne – Down here in LA, we had hail two days ago and those wicked storms today. The intensity of storms due to climate change couldn’t be more obvious but to the corporate sheep, facts are just the Devil’s work.

  • BourneID : KT. good to see you too.

  • KillgoreTrout : Doing fine AdLib, and you?

  • KillgoreTrout : AdLib, you can be certain he would not be “the man behind the curtain.”

  • AdLib : Hey Killgore! How are you this evening?

  • BourneID : Hey Murph. Weather here is unreal; terrible storms, hair, wind, lightening, very unCalifornia-lik e. At 4pm yesterday, newsbreak warning of storm coming to Fair Oaks and before he finished all hell broke. Today, saw my neighbor who lives directly next door with contractor there. Branch from tree in front broken by wind went through roof and down into his bedroom. Not used to this.

  • AdLib : Heh! I guess Mitt would be the Scarecrow, Tin Man and Cowardly Lion all in one, “If I only had a brain, a heart, courage!”

  • KillgoreTrout : Glad to see ya here Bourne!

  • KillgoreTrout : Hi Ho Planeteers!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : AL Although given conditions in the world of politics, Oz is looking pretty good. Maybe I can drop a house on Romney.

  • AdLib : Glad you’re safe and sound, Murph!

  • AdLib : Hey Bourne! Welcome!

  • MurphTheSurf3 : Hey Bourne….my area is still in the ok zone….thanks for the heads up. I use a wonderful weather service called weather underground where the hype is almost completely absent. So I am keeping an eye out. I thank you for your concern.

  • BourneID : This msg is for Mueph. Our news says terrible tornados in store for your area with prospects of many throghout OK, MO, and other states. Brian Williams said Joplin is in line. Are you near? Are you safe? Bourne

  • BourneID : HI AL I’m here; finally figured out how to do it.

  • AdLib : Vox Populi, our live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7 pm. Hope to see you then!

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