SallyT : Note to AdLib: I closed it up and took out the empties. If anything is broken, it was Funk who did it! Good night.

SallyT : I will close it all up and leave the place clean. Thank you for staying with me!

SallyT : Well, good night to both you fine gentlemen.

SallyT : Funk, you there or are you counting your tabs.

MurphTheSurf3 : Well….ye few, ye happy few….time for me to wish you adieu!

funksands : Sheesh, sorry everyone, forgot I had something on the stove. Need to go clean up! Night all!

AlphaBitch : Good thing I got on after the boss was gone….cuddle up w/ the critters, Sally.

SallyT : Good night, AB, and dream about the wedding.

MurphTheSurf3 : Goodnight AB…thanks for lifting the conversation to new heights.

SallyT : I will, AB, but he usually sleeps with me.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…ah hah, got it.

SallyT : Pipes, Murph.

AlphaBitch : Wow, look how low I dragged the conversation in just a matter of minutes. Truly, I’ve outdone myself. I’m dead tired and in need of rest. Sweet dreams, all. Sally don’t forget to put the dog out and lock the door.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…Headers?

SallyT : Murph, I loved to put cards in my Bicycle spokes. I think that is why I had to have Headers on my car.

AlphaBitch : Plus the sound of Depends on the wedding aisle is not very romantic…

AlphaBitch : Is that my heart, or my cards? Only my doctor knows for sure!

MurphTheSurf3 : AB…flutter, flutter, flutter, flutter…

AlphaBitch : Whoo hoo. Ride ‘em cowgirl.

SallyT : I married one, AB, and it has been fun!

AlphaBitch : MTS: Great idea. Like cards in bicycle spokes.

MurphTheSurf3 : AB….I have an image in my mind…it is to laugh….instead of step..together.. .step….togethe r…It would be, clomp, pause, clomp, pause etc. You can hang the flowers from the bars of the walkers and strew them during the pauses

SallyT : AB, they change into steers.

AlphaBitch : Me too Sally. In fact, I always told the Blov that if he died or left me, I was moving to WY to work as a cook on a ranch. Lots of cowboys and food. Good combo.

SallyT : Sorry but I like Wyoming Cowboys.

AlphaBitch : I mean, into what, Funk?

AlphaBitch : Into what?

AlphaBitch : But there is still some damn fine music and some really great people, Sally

funksands : Texas changes a person…

AlphaBitch : I did offer to be a flower girl for my pretend niece – if she hurries. I don’t want to have to use a walker to go down the damn aisle.

funksands : Murph, Yeah! That’s a good approx.

SallyT : Yes, she was AB and she is gone and I see no need to visit.

AlphaBitch : Funk, yeah. But the bride thing is a little old now.

MurphTheSurf3 : funk…a sort of Pimms Cup USA

funksands : Would’ve been cooler if it was 2011…

AlphaBitch : Now Sally. Ann Richards was from Texas

funksands : Speaking of Dr. Pepper, I’ll admit to a guilty habit now long gone. Jack and Dr. Pepper. MMMMMMM

AlphaBitch : Funk, no dear. Around 1984 or so. I just got rid of the dress this year, though when we moved.

SallyT : I ain’t from Texas and ain’t going there either.

AlphaBitch : Sally: Dr Pepper, the National SoftDrink of Texas?

funksands : AB, halloween 2011?

MurphTheSurf3 : funk…luv it….

funksands : Murph, if someone asks you if you are a god, you say YES!!

SallyT : Personally I would never have 10 open Tabs but I do have a can of Dr.Pepper going.

AlphaBitch : Did I ever tell you about my fave Halloween costume? A cheapo brides gown I got at a thrift store for $12. I Left the price tag on, and wore it (w/ cowboy boots and skeletal earrings) and went up to every guy at the party, tucked my arm into his and said “I do. Or I did. But only once and it wasn’t that much fun.”

MurphTheSurf3 : WHO YA GONNA CALL…Funksande rs

funksands : No fly tonight Sally dear.

funksands :

funksands : I’ve got 10 tabs open. Does it make my browser look fat?

MurphTheSurf3 : Funk…I am the Marshmallow Man

SallyT : Funk, I don’t know about the tabs but your fly is open.

AlphaBitch : And what is the tab for tonight, Funk?

funksands : I am the Keymaster, are you the Gatekeeper?

SallyT : Funny, Murph!

AlphaBitch : Funk is our tabs keeper…

funksands : You type distracted

MurphTheSurf3 : funk why did you ask about tabs?

AlphaBitch : MTS: Too funny!

MurphTheSurf3 : A favorite story…A judge in SF had a couple before him wanting a divorce. Wife 90. Husband 91. They claimed to have been out of love for 50 plus years. When asked why they waited so long their response was that they did not want to split as long as their kids were still ALIVE…..

funksands : «link»

AlphaBitch : Probably the socks.

AlphaBitch : LOL

funksands : “You can have him”

AlphaBitch : Funk, are you offering to marry her? What will Missriss Funk say??

SallyT : At 70 I don’t know if I would recognize sex????

AlphaBitch : Or cook. I can’t read the damn books now at 60!

funksands : Seriously, where would you start? All the drive-ins are torn down!

SallyT : She said she almost married 45 years ago but changed her mind.

AlphaBitch : It’d be hard to bend down and pick up the mister’s socks now at 70.

AlphaBitch : Maybe it was 70 virgins who wanted to marry. The blov asked one of our Muslim kids “What happens if all the virgins are 70 year old nuns?” The look of shock…..

SallyT : Personally, I would hate to be getting started at 70!

funksands : Is she sure? Maybe she should wait for the right guy!

SallyT : Yes, it is true, or atleast she claims she is.

AlphaBitch : Nope. Now THAT’S funk-y!

SallyT : Okay, did you see the story of the 70 year old virgin that thinks she is ready to marry?

AlphaBitch : I’ve wanted to watch the close down the shop, and thanks to my fab friend, I’m here to see it through.

funksands : That’s it?

AlphaBitch : Trying to talk to a friend on the W coast and read all the musings of the evening. Hmmm seems religion and politics both covered. Sex?

MurphTheSurf3 : Funk…5

SallyT : AlphaBitch, you get to pick the topic.

funksands : Murph, just out of curiosity, how many tabs do you have open on your browser?

AlphaBitch : Good god, Batman!

SallyT : GOOD!

funksands : Holy crap!

MurphTheSurf3 : funk, sally and whoever else…I have not been chased away

AlphaBitch : Fat chance, Funk. I’ve just now awakened!

SallyT : You are the scary one, FUNK!

funksands : I’ve chased them all away….excellen t

SallyT : CL, you leaving?

funksands : Cheers and good night.

choicelady : funk – that IS still our plan, but not precisely where. July for sure, just not the exact dates. We will be in touch.

SallyT : Happy Mother’s Day there KES! Have a good one. Mansion has already given me a dozen roses!

choicelady : ‘Night KQ and Sabreen. I think I’m following you both – up at 4 am, six plus hours on the road, long, long conference, and I’ve HAD it. So good night everyone! See you next week!

kesmarn : Thanks so much, c’lady. He’s worked awfully hard.

funksands : CL, you still headed up this way in the summer?

SallyT : Goodnight Sabreen!

kesmarn : G’night Sabreen!

funksands : Night Sabreen

SallyT : Anyway, she got told off some. KQ, have a good night! See you later.

kesmarn : I think I’ll have to check out, too, KQ and all. After the midnight hour here! Have a great weekend. And to the moms here, happy mom’s day!

Sabreen60 : Good nite KQ. I’ve got to go, too – have an early morning. Take care y’all.

choicelady : Oh kes, yes. I’m so glad he marched and got hooded and all! Congratulations about and for him, and also on GREAT weather!

SallyT : KQ, did you see the post on Bristol I put up?

funksands : Night K

KQµårk 死神 : Take care folks I gotta go. Good talking for a bit.

kesmarn : Yes, c’lady. He marched hood and all. To humor his sentimental mom. He would just as soon have skipped it. Perfect weather.

choicelady : KQ – so you ARE going! I think you’ll like it there. It’s awfully pretty, IMHO.

SallyT : Sabreen, I have a book Gods and Goddesses and many of the ancient stories/pagan are retold as biblical in the Bible.

funksands : Need to brush up on my PA geography I can see.

kesmarn : c’lady, you’re right. Madison is waaaay up there in math. Higher than some of the Ivies. It was a heart-breaker to turn Purdue down, but he had to do it.

choicelady : Murph – yes, that would be the role of women at the Last Supper. Women WERE powerful in early Christianity. Too bad the Old Boys did then what they’re trying to do now to the nuns. Women in the church ARE the church, never mind the pastors.

KQµårk 死神 : Actually NE PA.

Sabreen60 : CL, I can’t recall, but years ago I read that Egyptians believed a story very much like the story of Jesus.

funksands : KQ, that’s west PA?

choicelady : Kes – OH wow – did NOT know he marched last Saturday! Hood and all? Hope it wasn’t hot!

KQµårk 死神 : Joe Biden land.

kesmarn : Thanks, Sabreen. He’s excited and so am I. But I’m gonna miss him too….

KQµårk 死神 : Around Wilkesbarre Scranton.

choicelady : Kes! FAB news! U of Wisconsin is such a GREAT school! Maybe not quite as close as Purdue, but not terribly far away. I’m so happy for him and for you!

funksands : KQ, excellent. What part of the state, if I can ask?

kesmarn : KQ, some of the Madison grant money came from the NSF. I think our Prez may have had something to do with that!

choicelady : funk – I don’t know much at all of Egyptian religion, but I thought Horus had 12 servants – not as we think of them, but as people who attended him. Not QUITE the same thing – but likely the origin of the story in Christianity!

MurphTheSurf3 : CL There is a tradition within the earliest christian communities that Mary Magdalene, Salome, and the other Mary were all presbyters, priests….prese nt at the Last Supper and commissioned by Yeshua

funksands : Masters in math? Good god, do people still do that?

KQµårk 死神 : We’re moving in the late fall funk.

Sabreen60 : That’s great Kes.

kesmarn : Thanks, funk. He just got a masters in math (ceremony was last Saturday).

SallyT : Mary M was came from a wealthy family and she financed Jesus in his teachings.

KQµårk 死神 : That’s awesome Kes good for him.

funksands : Kes, that’s awesome.

choicelady : Hey KQ – yes, they had to demean her. Nice to see you!

kesmarn : Doing fairly well, KQ. Son got a great offer from U of Wisconsin, Madison and is off to that place in July to start that PhD!

funksands : Hey KQ! Did you guys end up moving to PA?

choicelady : funk – No, current scholarship indicates she was a woman of some means who was really the first disciple and an equal with the others. She attraced other women. The problem is that there were MANY “Marys” – Miriams actually – that get confused too easily. She was also NOT the prostitute who washed Jesus’ feet. She also probably was not Jesus’ wife. But maybe. But who cares. She was profound in her presence though – and women scholars are really digging into who she was. Fascinating.

funksands : Didn’t Horus also have 12 dsciples?

Sabreen60 : Hi KQ!

KQµårk 死神 : Good you Kes.

SallyT : Yes, CL, and that is why they made Mary M a whore when she wasn’t.

BourneID : Thanks MTS – talk to you soon.

Sabreen60 : Nite Bourne and take care of yourself.

kesmarn : Hey, KQ! How are you?

KQµårk 死神 : Just dropped in to say hi.

choicelady : Sally – that is true, but early Christianity was driven by women first. The later church HAD to purge them – they were too powerful and too threatening to men’s control of power.

MurphTheSurf3 : Nite Bourne….great interaction tonight…good contributions to the club

BourneID : CL, great. Yes, time to say goodnight – have a good weekend everyone.

funksands : CL, I always thought Mary M. was simply as representational figure of several beings/people. Not so?

SallyT : Goodnight Bourne. Have a nice evening!

kesmarn : G’Night, Bourne. And I would never laugh @ you!

choicelady : Bourne – I’d love that. I’ll have AdLib put us in touch! Are you shuffling off now? If so, sweet dreams – I’m NOT far behind!

SallyT : The ancient religions had goddesses and the men that choose the books for the Bible didn’t want women to have any power.

choicelady : funk – perfect term for him – douchebag. Bishop John Shelby Spong (retire Episcopal Bishop of Newark, NJ and the one who elevated Gene Robinson as the first openly gay Bishop) wrote about Paul and what Spong believes are Paul’s own struggles with his homosexuality. VERY eye opening.

BourneID : well all…thanks for an enjoyable evening. CL, one day we must have lunch or coffee or something.

SallyT : Paul was gay. Not McCartney, tho.

kesmarn : Murph I always suspected that original sin meant that we all have crazy parents. And we suffer for their craziness. And our kids do the same thing re:us! And on, and on! :lol

choicelady : funk – I was on a panel with two other women, one Muslim, one Jewish (a rabbi) speaking about our role as women and how to be activist AS women. I said Christianity set an almost impossible task – all our “role models” were unattainble, without sin, and divine. It makes seeing who you are and can be very difficult in literalist traditions. It’s one reason SO many women are learning about who Mary Magdalene REALLY was (she was NOT a prostitute.)

funksands : CL Paul was an uptight douchebag wasn’t he?

BourneID : MTS The immaculate perception…out standing.

MurphTheSurf3 : kes…never sinned…the immaculate perception

SallyT : Didn’t think I would, Funk, but one has to try.

choicelady : Bourne – I so agree! I like that they know there WAS a real person, Jesus (not sure it was his name) who brought this amazing new message to people who were so rule bound and hierarchical. And I LOVE the role of women in his mission – they were central. So FU Saul/Paul for changing the message and saying women were second class citizens. People who claim to be Christian but think women are inferior are Paulists, NOT Christians!

kesmarn : Actually c’lady, the immaculate conception thing implied that Mary never sinned/suffered from original sin. The one you’re thinking of is the virgin birth. Nevertheless, I do hope it was easy!

funksands : You don’t scare me…

Sabreen60 : Funk –

SallyT : Funk, BOO!

funksands : Speaking of immaculate conception: «link»

choicelady : kes – since I have no belief in anything literal, all I hope is she had an easy delivery!

funksands : Hi Sabreen!

BourneID : CL thanks for the title; and remember tho original and all changes were written by men who applied the values and customs of the time. I took a great class at university called The Bible as History – and that is where its value really lies.

Sabreen60 : Hey Funk!

kesmarn : Good one, c’lady! ah…that immaculate conception thing. Jesus’s ma had a good thing going there.

SallyT : More evidence that the Bible was written by men.

funksands : Hi CL! Murph, good to see you. I think I saw Sally somewhere around here…

choicelady : Hey funk!

MurphTheSurf3 : Funksands…hah! And murph indeed….AdLib left me on my own and then came you.

funksands : A ball of very cool stress. Nice to see you Kes

choicelady : kes – yes, and that’s rather the stronges point. He does tell her to return to her faithfulness to her husband (go and sin no more) but doesn’t JUDGE her and prevents others from stoning her. GREAT joke – when he says, “Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone, an old lady shuffles up with a pebble and lets fly. Jesus turns to her and says, “You know, Ma, sometimes you REALLY piss me off!”

kesmarn : Good evening, groovy funk! How be you?

funksands : ….and Murph…

funksands : Good evening groovy ladies…

BourneID : Thanks MTS, I thought it was one of the Carolinas.

MurphTheSurf3 : CL Matthew 19 is the Gospel passage re. marriage. It states that a man may not divorce his wife unless she is unfaithful to him; that marriage was meant to provide a way for men and women to create new families away from the one of their origin, and that some are called to be eunuchs for the kingdom. Of note…since the passage was kicked off by a question about divorce between a man and woman, the answer is based on this….Nothing about gay relationships… Paul addresses this in negative terms however…referr ing back to Sodom and Gommorrah.

SallyT : Sure would like to get in the Pope’s library! I bet there are lots of stuff that was in and taken out of the Bible and much more that had nothing to do with the religion at all.

choicelady : Sabreen – not to worry about being Biblically knowledgable. Only those who use it as a weapon are deeply immersed in details.

kesmarn : Jesus did comment about the “woman taken in adultery” which would be a sexual issue. But his comment was: “Leave her alone!” and “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.” Read that one, RWer!

SallyT : So for the most part we don’t think this will cost vote or make votes for the President??

choicelady : Bourne – in a wonderful book, “Misquoting Jesus” the author notes there are over 400,000 VERSIONS of the Bible because people made errors, and even today with the conservative movement removing ALL liberal passages, total rewrites of some things. Plus, they left out all the books the formal church did not like. Lots and lots of doubt about how ‘inerrant’ the Bible really is!!!!

kesmarn : Never, Bourne!

Sabreen60 : CL, I had the books mixed up. You can tell I not very informed about the Bible.

BourneID : Kesman are you laughing at me?

kesmarn : That was “dysfunct-pop-m a” Bourne — which makes sense!

choicelady : Sabreen – it’s not Ecclesiastes that says that. It’s Leviticus in the OLD Testament. That’s where the icky stuff is as well as really solid laws of economic equality. But Jesus said nothing about any of the sexual issues at all – just “love thy neighbor”. He reached out to all the “enemies” of the Jews, and if that’s not proof of our need to get beyond labels, don’t know what is. The Bible rails against ALL self centered and careless sex. It is silent on committed relationships because they were not inimical to social stability.

BourneID : the word is dysfundctional family – I have no idea what that other one is.

kesmarn : Sabreen, the RW should read Proverbs, chapter 28. I just stumbled upon it the other day. MANY verses condemning the rich who hoard wealth and harm the poor.

BourneID : MTS that poor Bible has more rewrites than Law & Order in 20 years of broadcasting. Amazing. You do know that when God created Adam and then decided he needed compahy so created Eve that the result was that God actually created the first dysfunctopma; family. I’ve also thought there was a litle mischief in there. I’m amazed at the RW Christians who don’t see that even God makes mistakes – his prototype humans didn’t turn out too well.

SallyT : Not always, CL, but yes it did happen to some.

Sabreen60 : The more “enlightened” preacher on Ed’s show said that there is only one book in the Bible – Ecclesiastes – that speaks against gays. Of course that same book says that children who disobey their parents should be stoned and something else I forget.

choicelady : Sally – but love came. Had a diary once of a man called Nailer Tom. He noted events every day for over 50 years. His note when he wed was, “I got married yesterday.” When she died many years later, I cannot even describe the anguish with which he wrote his farewell to her. He adored her, and she him. What a lovely thing to know. He wrote, “I cannot believe I will never, never, never see her again.” It was heartbreaking. Love was just a very different proposition for most people then. It was late 1700s to about 1834 that he kept his records. Beautiful.

SallyT : That is why cousins married cousins to keep it all in the family.

kesmarn : Oh those damn cookies. They are too delicious. Yes, now the Conf of Catholic Bishops is investigating the Girl Scouts. Sigh… Couldn’t they turn their attention to bingo: positive and negative arguments for parishes to have it?

SallyT : Bourne, yes it took time but it is not an issue now and he was trying to say that this won’t be in time either.

MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne….SC

BourneID : Hey Kes, he’s my favorite guest on the afternoon MSNBC circuit; he still can’t finish a sentence on Chris show (who can?). but I do like him a lot

SallyT : CL, that is so true. And marriage use to be for property matter mainly. Marriages were arranged for that purpose. No love involved.

choicelady : kes – after the War on Girl Scouts happened, a huge group of women started buying up cookies outside the supermarket where I shop! Did the GS a real favor, they did! I bought five boxes and had them sent to the troops. Better there than on my butt.

BourneID : Sally, the miscegination laws re interracial marriage didn’t end in all the states with (help me out her Murph) one of the Carolinas still having it on the books in the 70′s I think. But the law doesn’t wipe out the ignorance.

choicelady : Sally – it’s precisely upon that ground that marriage equality stands. Marriage is NOT eternally about “one man, one woman”. It has had many and various forms over the centuries. And at one point in New England, marriages could NOT be in churches – it was an entirely secular issue. It was not legal to get married in a church if you were a Puritan!

MurphTheSurf3 : Saw a debate this week between a RW PREACHER and a THEOLOGIAN FROM GARRET THEOLOGICAL AT NORTHWESTERN U. The Preacher said his opposition to Obama was based on biblical principals re the nature of marriage. The theologian pointed out that per the Bible there were two initial human beings who had two sons…where did the next generation come from? Incest. He pointed out that the normal form of marriage in the Old Testament is polygamous. He noted that divorce was generally forbidden. Bottom line: the preacher’s view was shown to be one of fitting the Bible to his standards.

kesmarn : My money would be on Eugene Robinson, Bourne!

kesmarn : Yes, c’lady, when the Girl Scouts become a cause for another Inquisition, you know you’ve really jumped the shark.

SallyT : CL, I also heard several African American talking about how it use to be that they could not marry a white as it was against the law. We moved on from that and we can from this.

BourneID : Hey all, before I forget. One of my lofteir intellectual pursuits every night is watching Jeopardy. They’re now in DC; next week their guests are what they call the “power players” so Monday, Chris Matthews, Chuck Todd and Eugene Robinson are on. I hoe Matthews gets creamed. It should be fun…don’t know the rest of the week…

choicelady : kes – LOL!!! I work closely with the Catholic Conference here, and all I ever do when their Ex.Dir. starts blathering about “institutional morality” is raise an eyebrow. He shuts up.

choicelady : Sabreen – I head one Black preacher say race is a fact, sexuality is a choice and that he’d seen many “former gays” but never a “former Black”. Oh? We USED to call that “passing”. LOTS of people have done it. I have a friend who is – her father did, she is, her daughter and grandchildren are. So much for THAT argument!

kesmarn : Exactly, c’lady. And hardline RW Catholics who object to the statement by PBO REALLY do not have a leg to stand on when it comes to defending the innocence of children.

SallyT : Eva Longoria on Bill Maher tonight said that the Spanish vote won’t be influenced by the President’s decision on marriage nor will they care if Romney choices whats his name to get their votes.

choicelady : kes – I agree, but it’s legal. And we need to raise that up when the spittle flies in the mouths of the RW who say the next step on the slippery slope is marrying off kids!

Sabreen60 : Murph, I certainly don’t believe religious AA’s will not vote for him. Generally, we are not single issue voters. I saw a preacher on Ed’s show, which was hosted by Michael Eric Dyson. This particular preacher was anti-choice and anti-gay and he was very ummm, ill informed. Michael wiped the floor up with him.

kesmarn : c’lady, that Jerry Lee Lewis situation was…unhealthy. ..to say the least. Loretta Lynn was married at 13 to a grown man, too. That should be against the law in any state.

SallyT : I don’t think that the President made that announcement for votes. I think he has been really trying to accept it as he said. The Africa Americans and the Mexicans have a problem with it but I think they will still support the President. I do think that the younger generation has been in influence to the President in making his decision.

kesmarn : The news of the high school Romney’s attack on gay students was the perfect antidote to any negative reaction to the Prez’s announcement, I think. Tolerance or bullyism, voters? Which side are you on?

choicelady : Murph – tonight David Brooks said that it COULD cost PBO the swing states such as Ohio. That’s very worrisome. But frankly, his leaving it TO the states, as all marriage is, was spot on. Brooks noted that Romney is going to do something federal to put an end to marriage equality and PBO is leaving it to the states. Totally opposite from the usual! But states have the rights – which is why MS lets 13-year-old girls get married with their parents’ OK. So much for “adults marrying children” if gay marriage occurs. Several states already permit that! Anyone here recall Jerry Lee Lewis marrying his 13-year-old cousin?? I think she later committed suicide.

MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne, thanks

BourneID : Hey Murph, re the dollar incident; it was early in the debate period. I’ll try to find it. I know there were many really disgusted people who commented. One reply to something I wrote said, “Well what YOU have give? He didn’t have to give anything.” Of course, I had to up the ante and said, “I’d give him a hundred dollars, especially since he had press following him everywhere. That’s how we found out.”

SallyT : CL, that is just a short explanation of the differences but I think you can get an idea from that for a start.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sabreen…I remember saying to my friends that the rev. Wright sermon fiasco would torpedo O’s campaign, but he used it to create a new understanding of race on the left and to neuter his enemies….I wonder if the same will happen with gay marriage.

kesmarn : Yes, Murph, it communicates that PBO is not willing to pander to the RW just for a few votes that may or may not have gone his way.

SallyT : They stayed behind and are more open minded. The SLC crowd do not like them at all!

MurphTheSurf3 : kes….I agree….my group of progressive friends regarded the action as a wide swing into left field telling us that he is with us and that we better return the favor.

Sabreen60 : Sally, I was really ashamed at my first reaction. I said out loud, ‘well there goes the election’. Then I came to my senses – which is I don’t know.

SallyT : Latter Day Saints in the mid west broke from the Mormon/LDS. They did not like the more than one wife thing and other practices that Brigram Young was following.

kesmarn : I think the RW hoped the Prez’s “gay evolution” statement would become a big negative for him. I think they misgauge the growing tolerance of the American population. Especially younger people. To them: no biggie.

Sabreen60 : Good nite Adlib.

SallyT : How do you all feel the President’s decision to say that he is now in support of gay marriage will affect his re election?

BourneID : CL I’m not a good judge of LDS/Mormon – Sa;ly will you explain the difference? My comments are based on my own “feeling’ about the oddness = but that might be just a particular family.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…certainl y willing to discuss this if others are…can you CAP it to draw attention to it or just let it go as is?

BourneID : AL 0 it was a word that just happened. I was teling Murph about seeing a 9/11 documentary on Smithsonian and saw a President Bush who was on that day truly the Presiden tof the United States. That’s when I felt that Mitt could never do what GWB did or what Pres did at Ft. Hood or last year telling when he told us binLaden was dead. Mitt must not become president. A CEO is NOT qualification for that job. He reported to a Board whose bottom line is profit; furthermore, I doubt he ever crunced a dollar; the financial sucess of his businesses belongs to the CFO. but don’t get me started. I started thinking of this when Herman Cain said he didn’t have to know all that stuff about Lybia and geograph; his people would take of it.

SallyT : Murph, that was a started conversation but we got off track and on to the bully. Sure lets discuss it.

choicelady : ADLib – sorry you have to dash off, but have a lovely weekend et al. We’ll clean up and help Sally turn out the lights. G’night!

kesmarn : Right back atcha, C’lady! Had to work earlier but the census went down and I got to go home. Nice.

choicelady : KES!!!! Great to see you here! Lovely you got the night off!

SallyT : There is a difference between Latter Day Saints and the LDS/Mormons.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally T…have you got “Obama’s Gay Marriage Evolution” on your agenda for discussion tonight? Good or bad call? Impact on the campaign? His place in history?

kesmarn : Anyone remember the “Back to the Future” character? Was it Biff? Marty McFly’s nemesis? That’s my view of Romney now.

choicelady : Bourne – I knew I probably did not take it all in on LDS when I once met a Puerto Rican pro-choice Mormon. Most of the LDS women I’ve EVER met are pro-choice. So I’m not a good judge – I’ve me only the ‘worldly’ ones, LOL!!!

AdLib : Cheers all!

SallyT : I will be happy to close up, AdLib! Have fun!

MurphTheSurf3 : By AdLib……

choicelady : Sabreen – Yes, I’d heard that as well, that Ann was giving cover for the bullying story. I really want PAC ads about his bullying – plant closings, laughing at his father’s moving production away, sneering at service people, etc. – put it, and the poor dog into a single picture about how Romney won’t care about YOU either!

kesmarn : The minute I arrive, you’re leaving AdLiB!!?? Seriously, safe travels.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…the interview as cover makes sense now…I did not get the “Mitt is a prankster” gambit until now. Well done.

AdLib : Hey all, sorry but I have to run to the airport for a pickup! Please keep Vox rolling and Sally, don’t forget to turn out the lights before you leave. Thanks all, wish I could stay!!!

SallyT : Sabreen, I did tell that earlier about the interview that the Romneys had a heads up and that was early damage control.

Sabreen60 : Hi Kes!

MurphTheSurf3 : Hey kes

kesmarn : Good evenin’ all. Got early parole from work tonight! YAY! How’s everyone?

choicelady : Bourne and AdLib – yes, it’s as if he’s missing every shred of superego that connects you to something moral and good. Nope – not there.

BourneID : Cl and Murph – re the LDS. I agree the families are nice but I don’t think that individuality is encouraged. I’m probably completely wrong, and yes they are really good people but the family didn’t engage in any of our social activities.

SallyT : The protection of the church in SLC is very strong.

Sabreen60 : Hi CL, I’m ok. Just trying to process all the news this week. This much I know – Romney is a douche. I read where someone mentioned (I’m not going back thru all the comments) about Ann saying Romney was still a “crazy guy”. From what I understand, WaPo had been working on the bullying story for weeks and the Romneys found out about it. Remember the interview when she wore the $1000 t-shirt? Well her comments about Mitt being a prankster and how he was still the crazy guy he was when he was in school was to give cover for the story.

choicelady : Sally – Oy! That’s horrible and scary! Only LDS folks I know are isolated from “the pack”, so maybe it makes a difference? They all seem pretty nice.

AdLib : Bourne – I like that phrase for Romney, “unfinished”. He is missing a part of what makes someone a healthy human being.

SallyT : I lived there for 8 years and I can tell you this with all honesty that 1 out of 8 women I met had been sexually abused by a member of their family. They have a special section in the state prison in Provo for those that are accused. Many never are.

BourneID : Hey MTS, no the elinks isn’t familiar but I want to see more of it. I’m collecting quite a lot of new resources.

choicelady : Anyone – when Air America was on, they had a mock British Music Hall song supposedly sung by an upper class twit who was singing “Sorry” for torture and other US acts of aggression. It was incredibly AWFUL and incredibly funny all at the same time. Anyone know it? I’d love to find the words.

SallyT : SLC is where you will see the true effect of Mormons.

MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…another reference but the story has some differing details. «link»

AdLib : Murph – I heard the same story about Mitt offering a dollar. What else would a greedy SOB do?

choicelady : AdLib – yes, that’s right, he did chuckle! I’m telling you – this man is a sociopath.

BourneID : MTS One of our agents was LDS and his teenage daughters used to work for me doing cleaning and so on because they wanted to earn money for Christmas. I can’t describe the odd sense I had that something is missing – the same thing I said in a post to you today; Mitt will never grow into a President as others have and I think I said, He’s unfinished – like there’s a part that is not fully functionin. it’s strange. I used to stop in Salt Lake City enroute to Okalahom and east when I worked for the feds; I was fascinated that everyone in the airport behaved the same;almost dazed.

choicelady : Murph – I think LDS families are like any other – highly variable with their kids. The few LDS families I know are quite nice, and the kids are very cheerful. Big contrast with about a dozen very LITTLE kids who were Jehovah’s Witnesses I met at a funeral. Those kids were creepy well behaved. Sat still for an HOUR at ages 4-8. That was horrible, because you don’t get that behavior without massive terrorism toward them.

MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…does this look familiar? «link»

AdLib : CL – Mitt CHUCKLED as he recalled his assault on that kid. Chuckled! He is seriously messed up.

SallyT : Well, he is too late in his sorry as the boy/man died a few years ago.

MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne…have you found a description of that one dollar incident in the press anywhere….if not….could you write it up with all of the details of the rally…I would love to have it for my quiver.

choicelady : Sally – I was interested in how ALL the others involved in that haircutting incident were ashamed, and yes, Mitt “does not even remember his wild and crazy youth and by the way if anyone was offended? Sorry. Now get over it.”

choicelady : Hey Sabreen! How ARE you?

BourneID : MTS I wonder if there is an image when he looks in the mirror. I think I told you about his being at a rally in a small midwestern town where he talked to a famly that just lost its home and job; their 8 or 9 old boy was standing by Mitt, who took out his wallet, searched through a fat bunder of bills and pulled out $1.00 an gave it to the child. The most disgusting display I’ve seen ever…

choicelady : Murph – just noticed what you’d said. Yes the name is from a Bible verse about the “Watchmen on the wall…” who do, something, something, something. (I am really the wrong person to quote Bible stuff, never mind my employment!) They see themselves as THE defenders of God, country, pierogi pie. It really IS a global conspiracy – they are every damn where.

SallyT : I have to say it says alot that the other guys involved in the bullying have felt bad about it ever since. One even finding the boy years later to say he was sorry about it. Romney claims not to remember it and laughs at the story when asked about it. That tells me a lot about Romney.

AdLib : Hey Sabreen!

MurphTheSurf3 : ANYONE…any idea how Latter Day Saints discipline their kids? I am trying to figure out if the veneer of civility is part of the general “everything is nice” and “smile, smile, smile” cover that the Broadway Show “Book of Mormon” mocks.

AdLib : CL – I see the same thing and was thinking of writing a post about ROmney seeming to be sociopathic. Not in a serial killer way but in the way of many in the financial industry, they’re attracted to it, who destroyed this nation’s economy out of greed. I think sociopathy has been gaining ground and Mitt is the perfect embodyment of it.

choicelady : Bourne – they are sponsored by others in their churches. They do assume financial responsibility for them and then claim they are “persecuted Christians” so they get asylum. When same sex marriage was briefly legal, a bunch of them were across from County hall raising hell. They will be picketing the Gay Pride Parade – and I lead it with my pro-GLBT faith organization’s sign. They often put me up front because I’m used to the harassment. I deflect the body blows. And I am NOT making that up. Last two years though, they were not even along the parade route, so I hope that’s true this year, too.

Sabreen60 : Hi everyone! Some week, huh?

MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne- SH’s comparison are always going to be ad absurdum – Barack’s wild oats involved drug use, poor grades and flirtation with black nationalism….a ll of which he documented in his own writing…This Romney thing is different….I truly do not know what it really means…..Romney has as CL said worked hard on his image, but is the image a coverup….

BourneID : MtS, if there’s anything I know how to do, it’s scope out the best places to shop. When I left Asia, my colleagues predicted their economy would plunge. World markets depend on me (and VISA and Master card – God bless them). Of course I bank with Chase so I’m not smart after all.

choicelady : AdLib – thank you, thank you. I practice psychoanalysis quite freely without a license. After years of dealing on the streets with the “lower sorts” who are his equivalent, I see NO diffeence between him and members of Operation Rescue. He just has better clothes.

BourneID : CL I didn’t know that; how do they get them into the country? Is this true – the Ukrainians?

SallyT : I heard that the Romney’s had a heads up that this story was coming out and that is why Mrs Romney went on and talked about how crazy he was when he was young.

MurphTheSurf3 : CL..Watchmen on the Wall! Yikes…Sounds like the title of the next Avengers film.

AdLib : CL – Wow, you really nailed Romney down! I agree completely!

choicelady : Bourne – those folks from the Ukraine may be members of the “Watchmen on the Wall” rabid anti-gay Pentecostals brought here to insert themselves into anti-gay, anti-abortion politics. Scary folks.

BourneID : Hey MTS just saw Sean Hannity comparing the bully/haircut thing with the Pres saying in an interview that he had some wild days as a kid. Of course SH is stunned that anyone would not see how much worse Barack is. What station am I watching – it’s not Fox why is hannity on.

AdLib : Sally – Cruelty to the handicapped, minorities and animals. As Bito mentioned, there is a psychology associated with that.

choicelady : ADLib – I heard he held the door closed and let the teacher walk into it. Tonight on PBS Evening News, Brooks said that as an adult Romney wasn’t known as anything but a nice guy. Oh? He shuts plants, laughs at people’s anguish about it, loves to FIRE people who provide him service, and yes – the dog. He is, I honestly believe this, a sociopath who has learned to put a veneer of respectability on it with his peers. His disdain of working people, women, minorities is sheer bullying. It’s bred in his bones.

MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne- Patriotic Purchasing requires both knowing where to shop and where not to…looks like you scoped it out.

SallyT : AdLib, it was a closed door. Romney held the first door open for him and left the second one closed and laughed about it. The teacher let it pass.

AdLib : Murph – The whole financial world is about being bullies and assholes. Ganging up on others, taking advantage of the weak, I don’t think ROmney could have ended up doing anything else.

BourneID : Thanks CL’ I will spend all the money necessary for my country. The fact i love to shop is not an incentive. I also use only local srvice buesiness (plumber, etc) and seldome shop at Walmart. At the one nearest me almost all the employees are from he Ukraine.

AdLib : Did you hear how another of young Romney’s “pranks” was leading a blind teacher into a closed door or closet?

MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…The Bully Boy behavior certainly finds its grown up reflection in the work of Bain Capital…Bane indeed…I wonder. Kids can be cruel and 18 is still being a kid…I went to prep like Cranbrook and the culture is very Lord of the Flies…

SallyT : Bill Maher said that after the hearing about what Romney did to that poor boy in school, his dog said, “And i thought I had it bad!”

choicelady : Bourne – I have to laugh about the Sunday closing because I assume it was OWNED BY RW RELIGIOUS FREAKS!!! Shows one should NOT make judgments! I’m not sure how I feel about Sunday closings. Just so I can get wine. I got Blue Lawed to death in MA some years ago. I’ll ponder that.

BourneID : CL I have great respect for Buffet. There’s something else that attracts me to the store – it’s closed on Sunday. What a great thing if all stores did that – maybe we’d come back to some of our famil traditions.

AdLib : So folks, what do you think, is Romney’s image as a bully going to stick?

choicelady : Bourne – may I doff my hat, if I had a hat, to you for going hog wild spending to support the economy and screw with GOP minds. VERY noble of you to make that sacrifice.

choicelady : Bourne – I did NOT know Buffet owned it! I once owned ONE share of his B stock (can’t remotely afford one of his A stock) and my aunt and uncle both knew him a little. He’s well worth patronizing. Good for you!

AdLib : Murph – It would have to be coordinated and that’s fighting words to OWS folks.

choicelady : AdLib – yes, it helps keep the arthritis at bay wrapping my hands around the necks of people WHO ARE MAKING ME CRAZY. No one seems eager to volunteer, however.

BourneID : CL, I bought everything at RC Willey in Rocklin; love that place; owned by Buffet, you know, so I’m sort of hanging with billionairs these days. It’s a great store and I got my refrig there, went past the electronics dept and picked up a 60″plasma TV which didn’t need but wanted…I’m doind all I can to defeat the GOP hunger games by spending and helping the economy.

AdLib : CL – Choking is actually good exercise for your hands.

MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib- just read through it. Well thought out….but at the end the call to take to the streets…..WHEN , WHERE, HOW…aye, there’s the rub.

choicelady : Murph – very cool, thank you. And thank you Kalima!

choicelady : ADLib – “and I CANNOT choke the living shit…” Obviously getting up at 4 am is NOT my best thing.

AdLib : Murph – The link works.

choicelady : AdLib – not a problem. It means now I’m distracted and choke the living shit out of the guy I told you about. Of course he’s down in Santa Clara, so he’s pretty safe.

SallyT : Oh, AdLib, eat the apple! I spiked everyones drinks!

BourneID : CL, excellent area

MurphTheSurf3 : ALL…see if this posts correctly. Kalima’s OWS Global Manifesto is at «link»

choicelady : Oh Bourne – I’m sorry! I hope you found one of the “bundled” purchases for appliances. Sac Bee has ads at least once a week for really good prices. But I’m about to do the same – our refrigerator is making VERY alarming rattling noises! Yikes! Problem = we JUST bought a new dishwasher so don’t want to replace it all.

AdLib : CL – Not at all, Kalima is an angel!

AdLib : CL – Good stuff! Wish you didn’t have to hassle with that.

BourneID : CL it has been very hot; and I have a poltergeist in my attic I guess because my A/C isn’t working well. All my appliances have died so I buy all new (Of course, I really wanted to)…so between Whirlpool and the Obama collection plate, I’m once again poor.

choicelady : AdLib! Saying Kalima’s apple is making you sleepy is implying Kalima’s the Wicked Witch!

choicelady : Hey AdLib – how are you? I’m still editing the runic marks in HOPE. Should get it and the additions to Irene next week.

AdLib : Seeya, Kalima! Tasty apple, BTW…why do I feel so sleepy…

choicelady : Bourne – down in Santa Clara where it’s considerably cooler.

choicelady : Kalima – nice to see you, however briefly!

BourneID : Hi CL; where were you?

Kalima : Ok all, have to start to work, have fun and I’ll catch you later. Sayonara.

choicelady : Hi Bourne – is it hot over on your side of town, too? Can’t quite get used to it. Actually I NEVER get used to it, and this isn’t bad.

AdLib : Hey CL! Nice to see you too!

AdLib : What OWS insists is unnecessary is their main obstacle. No movement I’m aware of has ever been devoid of identifiable leaders or martyrs. When people think they can re-invent the wheel in a different shape, keep your head down.

BourneID : BTW MTS, have you noticed how quiet I am tonight? I told you if I signed on I wouldn’t stop talking…fair warning all.

choicelady : Hi everyone! Back from a VERY long day (on the road at 5 am) so I might not hang in very long. Good to see everyone.

MurphTheSurf3 : Kalima…will do…need some inspiration tonight.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…some systems cannot tolerate the arts…..lalala!

Kalima : Murph, go to MB, you will find at the top of the thread.

MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne- It is hard to capture what Occupy is or is not organizationally . There is a group from several cities with which my group has contact but it is hard to call their gatherings “meetings.”

SallyT : Yes Bourne and the system crashed!

AdLib : Murph – It takes far more creative and visionary planning to outsmart the status quo and that requires not having 20 cooks in the kitchen.

Kalima : AdLib, you are my friend, you can eat it.

BourneID : Shy Sally T? Didn’t you come online singing?

AdLib : Kalima – So I should or shouldn’t eat the apple you gave me?

BourneID : I know Murph. The police were/ae out of control. Don’t like seeing Arpaio types in Oakland and Davis but there they were. Does OWS have meetings? Whats your role in this and many of you meet? I’m interested.

MurphTheSurf3 : Kalima tried the longer version and the server could not connect…ian.co .uk/commen tisfree/2012/may /11/occupy-globa lmay-manifesto Really interested in what you have here.

AdLib : I don’t think OWS is over but they had the spotlight and their moment, it’s hard to recapture that…especiall y when the media is bent on ignoring everything they do.

Kalima : Can’t stay long, my broomstick is charged.

AdLib : Hey Kalima! What a treat to see you here!

MurphTheSurf3 : Kalima…the link you left is for «link»

SallyT : Bourne, that’s okay. It takes awhile for me to get noticed. I am so shy.

Kalima : It’s coming up to lunchtime Murph.

BourneID : Hi Sally – just saw your greeting. I am always about 20 lines behind; be patient.

MurphTheSurf3 : Kalima…hello from MB to Vox…long day for you…yes?

Kalima : The ‘GlobalMay manifesto’ of the Occupy movement The global Occupy movement wants a better world. Such a world is possible, and here’s how «link» ian.co.uk/commen tisfree/2012/may /11/occupy-globa lmay-manifesto

Kalima : From MB this morning.

MurphTheSurf3 : Bourne- The police took advantage of the lack of organization, the shrinking numbers, the presence of radical elements to push what had become a ragtag group out of parks. It was all so anti-climatic.

BourneID : Murph, re OWS, don’t you think the aggressive action of law enforcement stopped them cold? I’m still p..sd off over the UC Davis fiasco. Not acceptable – there’s a tremendous about of sympathy for the movement.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally- They have no agenda when they meet so that is the first order of business (or rather disorder). It takes forever because they argue about what they are going to talk about and then do not have time to talk about it. Order in the meetings no longer follows the rules for interaction they used in the first few months. AND things quickly get personal. There were four “protest vets” there and only one of us got a chance to speak (for all of us). We cited the report we did at their requests many months ago (and published here) but that was old news and labeled as “institutional “. So….the elections….the y don’t seem to get it- We lose this one, it is game over for awhile.

AdLib : I don’t dismiss actors and such as not having sharp opinions but in general, I think people here could be just as informed and thoughtful about issues as celebrities.

SallyT : Bill does have Eva Longoria on too and she is sharp on immigration!

AdLib : Bourne – Well…your odds are far better than winning the Mega Millions lottery! Still, the promotions are an important tool for them to keep getting small donations.

BourneID : AL I know about those “possible” dinners with Barack; everytime I click on yes, I’ve apparently made aanother donation. I am now up to 5 separate and still no invitation.

AdLib : Murph – Heh, just expressed the same! When you have a leaderless group, there can’t really be big picture strategic planning, an inherent handicap for OWS.

MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib The problem for Occupy was that its occupation tactic was not a good one in the long run- great and dramatic for the short term. Had they occupied in the Fall, pulled up stakes for the winter and then planned a huge “March On ????” they could still be relevant. Allowing themselves to shrink as they did and then hobble toward winter gave the police the opportunity they wanted. Bad tactics.

SallyT : Murph, are they talking about the election or just bicker over nothing important.

AdLib : Bourne – Hey, thought you were a Maher level high roller at $450/mo! Obama does keep having “bonus” contribution things, maybe a smaller donor dinner will be in the cards. There were some at Clooney’s, it was a lottery like thing, some regular folks who contributed were selected to attend.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally- I hope Occupy can rediscover (or even discover) a purpose and then look to those with some meaningful experience in organizing grand events. All they do at their meetings is bicker.

AdLib : Murph – I am concerned that OWS has lost momentum it may not be able to recapture. Not of their own doing, they had the private armies…er…ci ty police forces coordinating on snuffing out their protests. They do need a second chapter here and that requires more strategic planning.

BourneID : AL correct the figure; $50 a month. I sit in the dark so it’s a crap shoot for me to get a message out.

SallyT : Oh, he just cut him off!

SallyT : AdLib, Bill can’t get Norquist to shutup.

MurphTheSurf3 : David Cay Johnston and Grover Norquist on Maher- I will watch later. Wonder how that will go?

BourneID : AL I missed it too. I wonder if there’s a plan to have fundraiser for those of us who contribute 450 a month…Would be nice. MTS, Avengers looks interesting but I want to see the new Johnny Deppe movie…OMG, Sean Hannity is on talking the Pres…

SallyT : Murph, I think we will see more from OWS once school is out. Maybe?

SallyT : And Bourne!

SallyT : Hello Murph!

AdLib : Murph – Planning on taking my daughter to see Avengers. I liked superheroes and comics as a kid but the “stories” for most of these films is the same redundant, shallow stuff.

AdLib : Hey Murph!

AdLib : Hey Bourne! Didn’t have the $40,000 to go but it wasn’t that far from me, some streets shut down and the Pres within 20 miles.

SallyT : AdLib went and peeped in the window.

MurphTheSurf3 : Good evening – just came from seeing The Avengers: It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing. BUT, it was perfect after an afternoon with the Occupy folks in the area. Nothing will come of the group I fear.

BourneID : Hello everyone. Signing on tonight; I’ve sitting on the sideline last 2 VPs eavesdropping. Anyone go to the fundraiser at George’s house last night? Bourne

SallyT : Oh, let them get a few into them. They are more fun that way!

AdLib : They’re all bunched up around the bar, figures. HEY! Leave a little vodka for us!

SallyT : I see them coming!

AdLib : The site had another hiccup right at 7 pm so it may have delayed people. It happened last week, I’ve got the tech boys working on it…meaning me and our web host!

SallyT : They are holding to your uninterrupted of them tonight, AdLib.

SallyT : Where is everyone else? It is usually just you and me at the end, not the beginning.

AdLib : I wouldn’t mind if you could have an honest and reasonable discussion with Repubs but they just spew the same obnoxious talking points, never listen and always lie. What’s the point of talking with them?

SallyT : But, watch the first 5 mins because he interviews Richard Clarke and he was good!

SallyT : David Cay Johnston and Bill are out numbered.

AdLib : Wasn’t Ann Coulter available?

SallyT : And Margaret Hoover!

AdLib : Why??? What’s the point?

SallyT : He had Norquist on!!

AdLib : Thanks for the heads up!

SallyT : Bill Maher is already sucking!

SallyT : Okay, I think.

AdLib : And what’s your next song?

AdLib : Hey Sally! How are you this evening?

SallyT : Where did everyone go? Was it my singing????

AdLib : Or at least claim credit for the auto bailout…

AdLib : Don’t forget to say “hi” when you arrive!

AdLib : Vox Populi, our live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7 pm PST. Hope to see you then!

AdLib : Night!

SallyT : Nite nite

AdLib : So (to quote Bito) I’m going to check out Maher since you give it a thumbs up tonight! Sleep well!

SallyT : Okay, off to your Tivo. Enjoy!

SallyT : You do that!

AdLib : Yep, I’ll let you know if I see it’s going to be on.

SallyT : Next time you see it, you will think of me!

SallyT : Me either.

AdLib : Haven’t seen it for a very long time.

SallyT : I love it!

AdLib : That’s a classic film!

SallyT : It is a take off of a song from the movie The Night They Raided Minsky’s.

AdLib : Aha, round the square?

SallyT : It is a little song we sing. See you around. If not, we’ll meet you on the corner in an half hour. Meet you on the corner in an half hour.

AdLib : What’s the joke?

SallyT : Oh, that hurts! That is an old family joke here. Ouch!

AdLib : Sounds like Romney geometry to me!

SallyT : Round=Square

AdLib : Heh!

SallyT : If not, I’ll meet you on the corner in an half hour!

SallyT : Right back at you! See you around.

AdLib : I’ll get the door. You have a wonderful night and weekend too, Sally!

SallyT : Well, my late night friend, shall we turn out the lights?

SallyT : Ain’t he tho

AdLib : That Bito is a clever one!

bito :

SallyT : Good night and sweet dreams. I will see you on here later for sure.

SallyT : Now that was a cute way of getting to that statement there, Bito.

AdLib : Thanks Bito, have a great night’s sleep and a great weekend!

bito : So it looks like it’s time for Meds nd Bed for me, see y’all later. sleep well.

AdLib : That’s funny, I always thought they started out with “Libtards”.

SallyT : I didn’t know that.

SallyT : So?

bito : So did you know that a majoity of comments on blogs start out with the word ‘so’?

SallyT : It would be interesting for her to do an update.

SallyT : Yes, a real eye opener! Really made me think about a lot of things happening now.

AdLib : Sally – Yes, I’ve seen it, the book is also very good. I like Naomi Klein and she really nailed it.

bito : Yes I have Sally, it’s a real eye opener!

SallyT : AdLib and Bito, I watched oh the Sundance Channel the other day this documentary Shock Doctrine. It was very interesting. It was done in 2009 by Naomi Klein. Seen it?

AdLib : Bito – Absolutely! Kalima has kept us ahead of the curve and the MSM on this. But the meme seems to be, austerity is smothering Europe AND people are starting to rebel.

SallyT : Bito, that is very true! The MSM hasn’t covered it at all!

bito : I have to give Kalima and her MB Huge Kudos, but I have been watching this austerity thing killing the UK and the EU for a long time, just now the MSM seems to be catching on!

AdLib : Bito – Mitt’s mind doesn’t store memories about his stands on issues or things he’s said so he thinks we’re all like that.

AdLib : Thanks for the review, Sally, always look forward to it!

SallyT : And, if not, we have video tapes!

bito : G’night Mitt and think of this while you sleep: you are aware the frontal lobe of the cerebral cortex enables us to store and recall past events, right?

SallyT : AdLib, here is your Bill Maher alert. Watch it. It is good tonight.

AdLib : Bito – Yes, I think the goal is a royalty and serf type society, modernized in appearance but pretty much that.

SallyT : On a school visa, I think.

SallyT : It does look like Hillary is getting the Chinese boy and his family out.

bito : Good night KT

bito : You are correct, Sir! He wants to institute austerity on the middle and poor classes, just like the UK and where are they now?

AdLib : Well, looks like it’s about that time to end tonight’s edition of Vox Populi. Thanks to all for making it another remarkable and enlightening conversation. The revelation about ALEC is big stuff! Have a great weekend Sally and Bito!

AdLib : Night Killgore, sleep well and consider writing that article, it would be very poignant.

SallyT : Goodnight KT! I know I will be seeing you soon on here!

AdLib : Bito – But Romney seems to want to bring about a new Great Depression, all of his economic plans are like dynamite to blow up the economy. It would be crazy if it didn’t seem so intentional.

KillgoreTrout : Well Planeteers, I too am fading. Stay informed and keep informed for myself and many others. Always, stay young at heart!

AdLib : Killgore – Mitt’s comments have further disqualified him in the eyes of the informed. It won’t affect the low info folks but that day is coming through the debates.

AdLib : Very cool, Cher! Looking forward to it! Have a great weekend!

Chernynkaya : AdLib–so true! I’m off to write that piece this weekend–hope it gets done by Monday.

bito : Night Cher, see ya on the twitter!

KillgoreTrout : Have a wonderful night cher. I guess we both have some thinking to do later on. Thank you for your kind comments.

SallyT : Good night, Cher!

AdLib : Same here Cher! And thanks for sharing the revelation about HP!

AdLib : Cher – The old saying is, “Write what you know.” It’s hard enough to start writing something but getting through to the end is the real challenge. Having a passion and inner connection to what you’re writing gets you through and imbues the work with something special.

bito : I think it was Mitt and it was over their currency. Hmmm, what happened when we had a huge trade/tariff war last Time? The great depression!

Chernynkaya : Folks, my eyes are burning and I still didn’t clean up after dinner, so I’ll say goodnight. Thanks for the great discussion!

KillgoreTrout : Romney’s “dark day for freedom,” remark just furtherd my disgust with him and those who listen to his bull shit. He didn’t even wait for the real facts to come out before jumping on Obama. How can anybody in their right mind want this misanthrope for POTUS?

Chernynkaya : AL, when I think of the many many sites I visit every day and never write a comment, it only makes sense.

AdLib : Bito – Wasn’t it Mitt who said in a debate that he would start a trade war with China? That’s how he would have gotten China to agree to letting dissidents emigrate to the US?

KillgoreTrout : I fully agree cher.

Chernynkaya : Not that I was a successful student, but I took a writing class that went on for years, and my teacher proved to us over and over how effective it is when people write from their deepest places. The most personal turns out to be the most universal. It gives me hope in humanity to know that.

SallyT : He doesn’t speak to me, Bito. Really, he doesn’t speak to me!

bito : You will have to ask Mitt, sally

AdLib : Cher – It’s like that throughout the web, a very small percentage of people who read at any site actually post. The percentage varies but it’s always fractional.

KillgoreTrout : Same goes Sally. Always.

SallyT : Hey, is Hillary bring the Chinese guy back with her?

SallyT : KT, you know I luv ya!

KillgoreTrout : Thank you cher, very well said.

AdLib : Cher – Yep, that’s where effective and powerful writing comes from. The more connected one is to their subject, the more affecting it is for the reader.

KillgoreTrout : LOL Sally.

Chernynkaya : SALLY! You rock!

KillgoreTrout : Bito, over 300 universities around the country went on strike in the aftermath. Not much later, two more students were shot and killed at Jackson university, If memory serves me right.

Chernynkaya : AL, I never really grokked that until now.

SallyT : KT, memories are known to bring lumps to the throat. If you didn’t have memories, you would have just a lumpy butt.

Chernynkaya : KT, when you write from your heart, it’s the only thing that opens others’ hearts.

AdLib : Cher – I think that’s the case. We have hugely more readers than members as it is (and we’re very pleased to have the readership we do). Some folks like reading, some like blogging.

bito : KT, I do remember we shut down IU for 3 days and had huge rallies.

Chernynkaya : I think they get intimidated–unr easonably- bito. They are the shy types, i think.

AdLib : KT – I think that’s part of the process, as you revisit and unwind your emotions and recollections, it could be very cathartic and potent.

KillgoreTrout : Thank you cher, I will definitely give it further thought. I am getting a lump in my throat, just thinking about it.

Chernynkaya : KT–your emotions are what will speak to us more than the facts.

bito : Yep, we do have a lot of readers and some I wish they would join PPOV

Chernynkaya : KT-PLEASE PLEASE DO.

KillgoreTrout : Ad, I had never thought of it, but it’s a good idea. I just wonder how much my emotions might color the reality.

Chernynkaya : bito, more than you know. I had a couple of people I never saw here -ever-say they missed me.

KillgoreTrout : bito, it was good of you to repeat. I’ll never get the image of the 14 year old girl standing near jeff millers body with arms outstretched cry why?

AdLib : KT – Remarkable. Have you thought about recounting your experience? I think many in OWS would really appreciate it.

bito : Cher it is cool when you get tweets like that, eh?

bito : KT, I cheated, someone on twitter said it and I immediately thought of that song. I still get “something in my eyes” whenever I hear that song.

KillgoreTrout : cl, I was there the day after the shootings. Showing solidairty with the peace movement and even the SDS.

AdLib : Bito, I second KT’s thanks, Kent State is very poignant today, especially after what we’ve seen with police and college students in OWS.

KillgoreTrout : Thanks for thinking about Kent State Sally. It should never be forgotten.

AdLib : Cher – That’s very cool to hear!

Chernynkaya : BTW, about Twitter, I got messages from a few who also told me they like PPOV too!

bito : Night CL, sleep well (if you can)

KillgoreTrout : bito, I once again want to thank you for commenting on Kent State today. Someone has to keep the memory alive.

SallyT : That is great Bito!

choicelady : Sally – I used to know one of the survivors who’d been shot. I never forget that, ever. Scary times then. Scary times now. ‘Night all!

AdLib : Very cool, Bito. I see him on our Twitter often, great stuff!

KillgoreTrout : Golden slumbers CL.

Chernynkaya : He’s a follower of mine to, bito–great guy!

choicelady : Oh bito – that’s just GREAT! I’m toddling off to dreamland, but I’m so glad to see you back to say “hi-bye”!

SallyT : CL, good night and remember, Kent State was a peaceful movement, too. You are right in all your worries.

Chernynkaya : Oh, I’m sorry to hear that CL. Feel better and lie down. Sleep well.

bito : sorry for the interruption but here is a tweet we can all be proud of Rich Baska ‏ @BlueTrooth Here’s a really cool website to check out…good liberal community there too «link» #p2 #tlot @PlanetPOV The link is to PPOV, I thought it nice. (he has 2000 followers) Now pat yourselves on the back.

AdLib : Night CL, rest that back and have a wonderful weekend!

choicelady : Ok everyone – the back is giving twinges and telling me it’s been too long at the computer. Not for this evening, but after a full day at work, too. So I bid you all a great evening and weekend, and wish you a sound rest. See you soon on the Planet. Good night!

KillgoreTrout : They don’t Ad, because they always blame others for their problems.

Chernynkaya : CL, he’s alienated Latinos, blacks, gays, women and SHOULD have alienated all workers. But he doesn’t seem to care, or try to pivot. I think he maybe can’t–the Right won’t let him–GOOD!

KillgoreTrout : Ad, I wonder if some of them don’t even have any political affiliation, and just want to work for the highest bidder.

choicelady : AdLib – wow. “May the circle, be unbroken…” As the ends come together, what is going to happen and who’s going to be the Last Man Standing?

AdLib : KT – I really wish that such POSs would just shoot themselves first.

AdLib : CL – Corruption happens, right? And a Leftie movement about challenging authority is a prime target for authority hating RWs.

KillgoreTrout : cher, remember the etch-a-sketch.

Chernynkaya : I hope he rots in hell too!

choicelady : All – as this nation moves toward being a “majority minority” nation (hence the uptick in white supremacy) how can someone like Romney have NO people of color present anywhere in his campaign staff or audiences? I know we’re still majority white as a nation, but does he REALLY think communities of color don’t vote? However much he wishes they wouldn’t?

Chernynkaya : I’ve yet to see him pivot to the center. It seems to me as if he thinks the RW is more important to win the election than Indies.

KillgoreTrout : I watched a video with JT Ready in it, and the guy just looked like some sort of whacked out para military racist. Not to mention the things he was saying. The world is a better place without him. Too bad he took so many others with him, especially a small child. I hope he rots in hell.

choicelady : Cher – Mormons in general have come a very long way in confronting their institutional racism. Romney does not seem to me to have made that journey.

AdLib : Cher – Yep, In order to appeal to the RW, Romney had to surround himself with the RW operatives…whi ch not coincidentally are racist.

choicelady : AdLib – yup. But how bizarre that what was once an expression of idealistic liberation from corporatism has become so much a hyper individualism that reflects the right wing ideal of self gratification at the expense of absolutely everyone else. Yikes.

Chernynkaya : Right, AdLib, he would.

AdLib : Cher – I agree but if it became a problem, Romney would just cut Kobach loose like he was gay.

Chernynkaya : However, when you think about it, Romney has a lot of racist endorsers.

AdLib : CL – Anarchy isn’t what it used to be. Like everything else, it’s been simplified and narrowed into just being against everyone and everything, just a vehicle for saying, “I’m mad at the way life is!” The grown up tantrum.

KillgoreTrout : cher, it makes one really wonder just what sort of “advice,” this guy is giving Romney.

Chernynkaya : But of course, that’s just me.

choicelady : Khirad – where are you working this very late hour? Hi and bye to you, too!

Chernynkaya : Well, the connection I’M making is Kris Kobach, Romney’s adviser. He and Pierce enacted SB 170 together. And Kobach was part of SPLC anti-immigrant hate group, The Tanton grp. So I’m calling it a Romney connection.

KillgoreTrout : It can’t be true anarchism if an established organization if funding it.

choicelady : Cher – NO! I did NOT see that! That’s mind blowing!

AdLib : Cher – I don’t think it has legs for Romney but for Pearce and the GOP in AZ, I think it will continue to be damaging.

choicelady : ADLib – I have a certain intellectual interest in social anarchism, meaning local control, community driven change. But one can’t even TALK about it anymore because of these idiots. Anarchy is not the same, and it has become not even linked with Bakunin et al. but with “I HATE EVERYONE” and sheer gut level violence. The issues of autonomy and local self direction are just GONE. And I know they don’t care because fundamentally this type of anarchism is the absolute expression of – surprise – RW utterly self centered narcissism and nihilism. It’s not even political. It’s just egomania write large. And that’s as perniciously RW as it gets. That’s why the Paulists and the anarchists fit so well together. There’s gonna have to be some criticism/self-c riticism by the larger group to weed that hyper individualism OUT.

KillgoreTrout : cher, there’s a tie with Romney? Holy crap, that could be very damaging for Romney. I hope it gets lot’s of press.

AdLib : Take care Khirad!

Chernynkaya : Hi and bye, Khirad!

Chernynkaya : AL, think it has legs?

AdLib : Hey Khirad! Great to see you on Vox!

AdLib : Cher – I saw part of it, Romney is on record praising the AZ “approach” that this murderer and his sponsor into Mormonism, Pearce, perpetrated. And it was amusing to see Pearce claim he didn’t know the killer.

Khirad : Didn’t know about the Mittens connection, but yes when I saw the name JT Ready I knew who that was and his friends in Arizona. In any case, hi and bye, off to work for me.

KillgoreTrout : Take care Murph.

Chernynkaya : Sally, I think it’s potentially dynamite.

KillgoreTrout : Great point CL. They sure do have the latest military hardware

SallyT : I did, Cher.

Chernynkaya : Did anyone catch the Maddow show where she almost connected the dots between Kris Kobach, Russell Pierce, that neo Nazi murderer JT Ready and ultimately, Romney. Anyway, I just did.

SallyT : CL, and the media will only jump on the negative ones not the peaceful ones.

AdLib : CL – It’s like catching a parasite, there’s no way to remove these anarchists from the host body.

choicelady : Murph – good night and sweet dreams! GREAT talking with you!

choicelady : Cher – a very good friend has been active in OWS-Oakland and just HATES the anarchists who’ve infiltrated. Again – be interesting to know who they REALLY are because they have NO responsiveness to the community at all. It’s made Oakland a very difficult place to be for OWS people who want to be non-violent.

AdLib : Night Murph, have a great weekend!

Chernynkaya : Take care Murph!

Chernynkaya : Wow, CL, you just said a mouthful–so true.

MurphTheSurf3 : ALL…time for me to roll up the rug and head off. I look forward to seeing Cher’s ALEC article. Best to all.

AdLib : CL – I remember your telling me about that, very enlightening and instructive, indeed. Any gathering that has any impact should take for granted that they will be infiltrated by police or the opposition and NEVER allow anyone to hijack the group with “great” ideas.

choicelady : KT – I think the “federalization ” of local PDs after 9/11 has done terrible things to local police. Not all of them, but too many see themselves as paramilitary and quasi feds. Bush has a CIA – CI fucking A – agent IN the NYPD until Obama learned about it and had him yanked. So I don’t worry overmuch about the actual feds. I worry a LOT about how the “homeland defense” mind set has destroyed local control and local police relationships with their own citizens.

SallyT : And, some of the nutty ones in the OWS are those for Ron Paul, don’t forget.

Chernynkaya : CL–great story! And KT–I do suspect infiltrators to a degree. But watching Oakland in May day, it was anarchy. and I think the kids wanted it that way.

MurphTheSurf3 : CL…very interesting re. the RW plants.

KillgoreTrout : That should read COINTELPRO.

choicelady : AdLib – during the “Spring of Life” in ’92, the Operation Rescue siege of Buffalo women’s clinics, a group billing itself as NWROC, the Nat’l Women’s Rights Organizing Committee, came and refused to be non-violent. Long story short – they were remarkably affluent, and we pegged them immediately as RW infiltrators. They had a group of kids, marginal folks all, and WE brought them over to our side because we fed them, made them laugh, and took care of them when one time they got maced by the RW. By the end of the three weeks, they were all on our side. Turns out we were right – they WERE provocateurs, and an OR kid fessed up he was an inside plant. Some of the older women were, I suspect, cops or fed infiltrators. Never trust the extremists shoving you to be extreme. NEVER trust them!

KillgoreTrout : cher, sorry to hear that.

SallyT : Exactly AdLib!

AdLib : KT – The New Black Panthers is a group of less than a dozen nutjobs, it’s not a real group, it’s a total fraud by media hungry idiots.

Chernynkaya : Sally, it sure is, if indirectly.

KillgoreTrout : Well, I certainly remember the joint FBI and CIa program called COINPROINTEL. But now I don’t think it’s a government program, but more of one orchestrated by rich Wall St. traders.

Chernynkaya : KT, the new BP’s are a different animal, pardon the pun. They are assholes, and have tried to intimidate voters at a couple of polls.

SallyT : Making them have to pay for any of this extra stuff is a poll tax no matter how you look at it.

MurphTheSurf3 : CL…yes, I had bad info. Apparently there was legislation to cover the cost and it failed in our GOP controlled legislature…so the cost is $11.

Chernynkaya : $11 for ID may not be too much IF it matters. But voting matters to so few as it is, any sacrifice, however small, seems not worth it. Seriously, to far too many, politics is off their radar.

choicelady : AdLib – that’s a great analogy about the rocket.

KillgoreTrout : cher, I don’t know much about the “new,” Panthers, but the group in the 60s did a lot of good in their communities, with food pantries and much needed medical service. They started carrying guns, when their numbers were being killed by the white police departments.

MurphTheSurf3 : KT…OWS has been infiltrated but mostly from the nutty anarchic Left….the Right saved the money on this one.

choicelady : Murph – somewhere along the line ID costs money. The BC for sure, and then whatever the state may or may not charge for PHOTO ID. That is an essential component the RW says. At any rate – if we know people who don’t have it, we need to help them GET it. Even if we have to PAY for it.

AdLib : KT – It’s not even a question, the RW has openly discussed how it has been infiltrating OWS. It’s a done deal.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally T…no I was wrong re. the nondriver ID cards. $11. I got bad info. $11 may not seem like much but for some….

SallyT : KT, that is what they are saying here in Portland. That these are people sent in to make them look bad.

choicelady : Cher – I bookmarked your link, thank you. AdLib – I agree that he deserves no pity because he did incredible harm. I’m just shocked! And anyone who lives on an acre and a half is NOT homeless. Too damned bad. He brought it on himself. He was a major influence on me with Ramparts – his photos of children napalmed were horrific. His expose of the mysteries surrounding JFK’s assassination were important revelations. So he’s telling us what – he LIED about all that then? If it was all true – why is it not true NOW. That’s the idiocy of all this. You were either lying then (he wasn’t) or you’re lying NOW (he is.) Can’t have it both ways. Mittens – take note?

AdLib : What makes OWS the magnet it is for young people, the openness and the lack of authority figures, is indeed its weakness as well. It’s like having a two stage rocket where the first stage is amazing and gets the rocket off the ground but the second stage is too weak to push it into orbit.

KillgoreTrout : Murph, I truly think OWS has been infiltrated, to an extent, by paid provacatuers. People paid to be trouble makers in order to make OWS look bad in the press. I know that last year, OWS was denouncing violent protest. I don’t see their minds changing in the duration of a winter.

SallyT : Murph, you probably are right on a State ID. I was talking about a copy of your birth certificate.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally- As I understand it, if you walk into a licensing office, it is free. Let me check on this.

Chernynkaya : Murph, I sadly have to agree with you an Occupy. I wanted to go to the march in L.A. and saw who else would be marching. Saw The New Black Panthers and stayed home.

MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…yes. When you compare Horowitz or Breitbart to those with lives made worse by them…I am with you.

Chernynkaya : I bet he’s writing a manifesto in teeny tiny meticulous hand on the walls now.

MurphTheSurf3 : ALL- a little update on the OCCUPY MOVEMENT….did you all enjoy the Mayday General Strike this week? Ok in some places, ridiculous in many others. The group that had so much promise has failed to coalesce. I and my group of Veteran Activists were asked to lend some expertise….lik e last time…given and then ignored entirely. How many times will these folks bite the hands that reach out to them. Obama and the Dems were smart to keep their distance.

Chernynkaya : CL, quoting Horowitz: ““I’ve been ghettoized,” he said. “My wings have been clipped.” Just a decade ago, a National Review editor labeled Horowitz “the Most Valuable Player of the Right.” Now, sequestered on an acre and a half of land with his wife and six dogs—five of them Chihuahuas—the 73-year-old ex-Communist firebrand juggles writing projects while keeping his distance from all manner of political distraction. “I don’t read any magazines. I hardly even read FrontPage,” he told me, though he is listed on the online right-wing journal’s masthead as editor-in-chief. “I don’t read the L.A. Times or the New York Times. I despise the Times.” «link»

KillgoreTrout : cher, especially when it comes to human rights and civil restrictions of those rights.

SallyT : A copy of your BC isn’t free in MO, Murph. I had to pay like $20 to get a copy and have it sent to me in OR to get my SS.

AdLib : Murph – I don’t wish bad things upon anyone (though it wouldn’t break my heart for Scalia and Thomas to be abducted by UFOs) but I also don’t feel sorry for the plights of those who have made the lives of others very hard. In that sense, I don’t care about the situations Horowitz or Breitbart found themselves in, I care about the innocent people they’ve harmed.

SallyT : You don’t have to be born in the US to vote, so you can have a foreign BC. You do have to be a US Citizen to vote, tho.

choicelady : Cher! I just caught up with the Horowitz story! Are you SERIOUS??? He’s the one who sent students into classrooms to ferret out “liberal bias”. I told my friends who are also 60s people teaching history etc. to keep his books to hand and USE them in their classes – is he supposed to say HE lied when he wrote “The Rockefellers” etc.? I can’t believe he’s down and out – he was the RW darling!!! What happened?

MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…will read the article…thanks

Chernynkaya : KT, me neither.

KillgoreTrout : I think that if someone doesn’t have a birth certificate, then there should be people who can forge such a document successfully. I don’t consider it a crime to overcome an injust law.

Chernynkaya : CL–to say nothing of the sometimes insurmountable obstacle of having to get to the Hall of Records.

AdLib : Murph – It can be disconcerting when you’re drowned in $13 million in Koch Bros. propaganda and you see Walker still competitive in polls…but patience is everything. After the recall elections last year, it seems clear that there is powerful motivation by indies and Dems in WI to throw Walker out and only hard core Repubs behind Walker. It sure seems to me that anti-Walker voters will be far more motivated to get to the light at the end of the tunnel and the polls so far seem well positioned for that to happen.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally T….here in Mo. they are free BUT many who need them will not realize it until it is too late…the lowest info voters are the poorest voters…AND you are required to prove that you were born in the U.S. (birth certificate or passport) AND are a resident here (voting registration card plus utilities bill). These can be hard to come by for the poor.

choicelady : Sally – if you need a birth certificate, it’s about $10 then another $10 for an ID card, maybe more. For those living hand to mouth, it’s a LOT, but it’s not too much for us to help one person get registered.

Chernynkaya : Murph this is all I know about Horowitz: «link»

KillgoreTrout : Sally, on average, about 8 bucks. Not much more than a Starbucks latte. The trouble is usually a lack of a valid birth certificate.

choicelady : KT – you live in civilization. You have need of a bank account. You fly. The disenfrancised do none of that. Think of all the people who are paid only cash, live on small holds with their own food and trade in cash, who never GO anywhere save on foot or by vehicles bought for cash (beaters) – a lot of folks live in a cash economy and have NO need for ID. It’s shocking to us, but it’s a way of life for many, many people.

SallyT : How much does a state issued ID cost?

MurphTheSurf3 : Cher- Horowitz homeless….how? Did not care for him on the Left or Right but do not wish that on anyone.

Chernynkaya : Me neither, AL–fuck em.

Chernynkaya : Al, I agree with that about Walker. He’s toast, especially now that that woman–forget her name–is no longer in Waukesha Cty.

KillgoreTrout : cher, I wouldn’t wish homelessness on anybody, but it does sound like a fitting end in this case.

MurphTheSurf3 : AL…read you on Wi. and believe you are correct, still I will worry (and some of the organizers up there are worried too because the wind seems to have gone from their sales). I think the primary turnout will say a lot about this.

AdLib : Cher – I don’t feel sorry for Horowitz any more than I did for Breitbart. Couldn’t happen to a worse person.

Chernynkaya : Bingo, Sally. The Politics of Projection.

AdLib : Murph – There are low info voters everywhere, many of whom always vote the GOP because that party is crafted for the low info people. When it comes to GOTV in WI, remember, they got 1 million signatures to have the recall, the momentum is with those recalling Walker and once he’s head to head with Barrett, indies will see the contrast and I think they’ll want change from the disaster that Walker has been. I mean, even voting in a recall makes it clear that something’s wrong with Walker as Gov, it’s never happened before in their lifetime.

SallyT : Cher, I think the Right does a lot of that fraud just so they can say, “See there is fraud” even tho they are the ones.

KillgoreTrout : CL, I do need to have a state issued ID. Without it, I can’t open a bank account and wouldn’t be able to cash checks. I wouldn’t even be able to get a flight without one. It IS possible to get along without one, but it’s a real hassel.

Chernynkaya : Sorry for all the typos in that last comment.

Chernynkaya : AL, you are right–ti’s not a real threat. But look who’s taking fraud! Those are exactly the kinds of registration frauds the Right complains about.

Chernynkaya : I did. I wished the Right was dead. Not quite the same–and evil schadenfreude by me–but anyone remember David Horowitz? he was a 60′s radical Lefty who became a rabid Rightie. anyway, he;s now homeless.

KillgoreTrout : I can understand that. I’ve had my wallet stolen before, and if it wasn’t for my birth certificate, I would never have been issued a license or state ID. I really hope there arn’t too many people in such a situation. I know that Veteran’s ID is not accepted, and that pisses me off. It’s a federally issued picture ID.

AdLib : Cher – That kind of voter fraud is often more about the workers making out fraudulent registrations so they can get paid more without doing the work. Registrations like those couldn’t be used to vote, phony addresses and names, they’d never get ballots mailed to them or have precincts to vote.

choicelady : Done! Hope you did, too!

Chernynkaya : Sally, there you go–just what I mean.

MurphTheSurf3 : AL I agree re. sourcewatch. I got an e mail from a very trust ALEC critique and she confirmed the sourcewatch list and says more is coming. Much more.

Chernynkaya : CL-JINX! make a wish!

SallyT : Cher, that 93 year old lady said she didn’t have a birth certificate.

Chernynkaya : CL–yes, voter fraud. Where’s the media on that?

choicelady : KT – you live in rural America, you do NOT need ID. YOu live in an inner city, you might not either if you’re not on social services. But the real dislocation is predominantly rural, poor, Black or Latino. They don’t really need them. Everyone knows everyone else. NOW all of a sudden, they need to prove who they are. And with birth certificates they often never had since it was a home birth (though why that’s true eludes me.) My father had no birth certificate – born at home – but was a Lt. in the Coast Guard during WW II. Now how’d he pull that off AND got a passport AND all his other benefits. Beats me.

MurphTheSurf3 : AL…again hope you are correct. Barret is a fine mayor (in a very difficult city) and would be an extraordinary governor. It is the power of money that has me as pessimistic as I am. I live in a very low info world in Mo. and know how stupid folks can be. A new window sticker showing up around here reads: “I’ll keep my freedom, my money and my guns…you keep your change.”

Chernynkaya : KT, I’m thinking about all the folks in the South–poor whites and minorities– who probably don’t even have a birth certificate. People like me have little idea how those people live.

AdLib : Murph – Sourcewatch is a legit site. As long as their info didn’t come from ThinkProgress, that’s two independent sources and I’d say it’s solid for Cher to run with.

Chernynkaya : No prob, Murph. I realized you were gone for a bit.

MurphTheSurf3 : CL and Cher…thanks missed that link…this one knocked my socks off.

choicelady : Cher – so what you’re saying is that the GOP is committing voter fraud. Hmmm. Interesting. We can build on this.

Chernynkaya : Murph, while you were away I linked to that, thanks!

KillgoreTrout : CL, that’s really what needs to be done. People should have at least a state ID card. I honestly don’t see how they function without that or a driver’s license. It’s almost a necessity of daily life.

AdLib : Murph – It is part of the dynamics of elections that the winner of a primary increases their lead in polls once a primary is decided. Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett is well ahead of Kathleen Falk and is already in a statistical tie with Walker. I would bet very comfortably on his taking the lead for good once he wins the primary.

Chernynkaya : No need, CL–I’d just forget to check my email!

choicelady : Murph – that’s the one I linked everyone to before you got on. It’s amazing. Scary but amazing.

Chernynkaya : CL–absolutely! See this? “GOP Voter Registration Firm Turns in Thousands of ‘Invalid’ Registration Forms in California” «link»

choicelady : Cher – should I send you an email to remind yourself to remind me? Ohhhhhhhh….uhh hhh.

MurphTheSurf3 : Cher and AL…just got this from SourceWatch…a much larger list…much larger «link»

choicelady : On voter supression – I am tweeting and writing everywhere that we have to find seniors and students in those states, drive them to get their ID and PAY for it if need be. If everyone adopted ONE person and did this, they could not stop it. Then drive them to the polls or get absentee ballots for them. We CAN do this.

KillgoreTrout : cher, exactly, I’d forgotten about them. The GOP’s panic is very evident to anybody who pays attention.

Chernynkaya : CL–I just had to write myself a note to remind myself to remind you!

Chernynkaya : CL–awesome! Thanks.

Chernynkaya : KT–and also seniors who are impacted by voter ID laws and changes in early voting. And students.

AdLib : Cher and Murph – Always good journalism to confirm through two independent and reliable sources. ThinkProgress has proven very reliable in the past, I am inclined to believe their report but if we could find another independent confirmation, that would clinch it IMO.

choicelady : Cher – that’s “both AdLib and I know HER…” I need a keeper.

Chernynkaya : Sure, I’d appreciate that, Murph.

choicelady : Cher – I’ll connect you next week with Common Cause in CA. You can ask the ED of CA directly if she has a list. Both AdLib and I know here, and I’ll smooth the way for you. Just send me an email will you to remind me? Mind’s like a steel sieve, and memory like water. Sigh.

KillgoreTrout : cher, the numerous voter suppression attempts ARE quite telling of how desperate the gOP really is. They know they have alienated the majority of minorities.

MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…if I get anything really solid, I am willing to pass it on to you via AdLib…ok

Chernynkaya : Murph, I will be sure to verify before I write anything.

AdLib : Sally – All elections have different dynamics. Even the Repubs won’t use the name of Bush now, the public doesn’t want a moron again, even if that’s the ideal Repub President to Nordquist.

KillgoreTrout : Sally, I think Congress will remain broken until they get rid of that stupid 60 vote rule. That is NOT democracy as it was intended.

Chernynkaya : The Repubs know that the public hates them and their policies–that’ s self-evident to me. If they really believed voters liked them and approved of their policies, they wouldn’t need to lie and suppress the vote.

MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…I have gotten my first responses from my e mail alert re. ALEC….the list seems to have holes (those on it who cannot be verified as members and those not on it who are verified – some of whom have publicly resigned). So…as with all lists like this….all might not be as it seems.

choicelady : Murph – AdLib has his finger on the pulse more than I. I can handle only CA NON-partisan issues these days, so I don’t pay the kind of attention he does. I do worry, but I’m also heartened by what AdLib knows and tracks.

SallyT : I think the Dems should spend a lot on telling how many things the Repugs kept from getting passed that kept things from getting even better than they have.

choicelady : Cher – I read smaller city papers online, the Youngstown Vindicator, etc., and I find a fairly good range of info that we don’t get on TV and in major papers. Good LTEs, etc. The Vindy sucks editorially, but the news is good, the Opinion pages and e-letters are diverse (I add my own bit now and then) and I think we’ve overlooked how much those papers actually carry. Can’t tell about TV since I can’t see it, but anyone can write in these smaller papers. Omaha World Herald, DesMoines Register, and on and on. WE can have our voices all over the map – and that’s what a lot of people pay attention to. Liberals have started engaging more with the Sacramento Bee because it was left to the ultra right, and I get my licks in regularly – and find more and more people agreeing with me! It’s also good fun to use those e-letters as educational tools.

AdLib : Cher – The low info voters watch the debates and not too much else. I think the debates will bury Romney. Not because he won’t be prepared but because all he has is lies that Obama will be able to expose in real time, in front of millions of voters.

SallyT : KT, that was it, a broken Congress.

MurphTheSurf3 : AL…hope your take on WI is more cherry than CL’s

KillgoreTrout : Murph, I can see that. They made the 2010 midterms all about Obama, when it was really about a broken Congress.

SallyT : AdLib, like KT said, they got W…..

AdLib : CL – When the Dem primary is over in WI, I think we’ll see the candidate (forget his name) get support sweeping bigger and stronger behind him.

MurphTheSurf3 : CL…Wi. insights….that is why I am worried.

MurphTheSurf3 : Sally…Norquist was far more insulting than that..he said all they need is a candidate with two digits to hold a pen…the Congress will sent the legislation for him to sign. Gross and Arrogant.

AdLib : Sally – Yes and that was a devastating thing for him to say, I love it. However, having a mindless robot as Pres to sign RW bills is only the fantasy of the far right. Indies want a human being as President and Romney is unqualified.

KillgoreTrout : Sally, that would not surprise me in the least. The GOP really doesn’t want a smart, principled man in the white house. They want a slightly dull witted puppet so they can control his strings. Just like W.

Chernynkaya : AL re; Low infos. How will they know Mitt is lying when the media don’t tell them? Thanks god for Steve Benen at Maddow blog and Greg Sargent at WaPo–bloggers! Few read them, but Benen writes every Friday of Mitt’s lies of the week. this week there were 18 LIES, but who knows about them?

MurphTheSurf3 : KT- trying to organize those unhappy stay at home Dems now and I am amazed how many do not understand that legislative action is what is at fault now….thus, they still blame Obama.

choicelady : Murph – the big problem in WI is what we ALWAYS do – there are TWO Dems competing, and no one will pull out. It’s made focused work on the recall fall off. It’s not low information voters, it’s US. Unions want their person, and the leader is someone they COULD work with but who is not immediately their BFF. They need to get it together, get focused on the RECALL and grow up. No unicorns to be had here, only getting rid of Walker. I have to say I am on the pragmatic side of go with the leader and focus on the RECALL, not the next one who IS a million times better than Walker. Don’t BLOW IT.

SallyT : But, AdLib, didn’t Norquist or how ever you spell his name say that all they need is someone that can sign their name to be President because they (his Repugs) will be calling the shots?

AdLib : Murph – The polling in WI shows Walker sinking in the polls. And once the Dem candidate wins his primary, his numbers will rise. I think Walker is cooked, he’s tied in the polls now to someone who isn’t even head to head with him yet, that’s a great sign…after Walker spent $13 million in Koch and other billionaire money in WI.

KillgoreTrout : I am hoping those dems who stayed home in 2010 have realized their colossal mistake by now.

MurphTheSurf3 : AL- the explanation was the result of an hour cobbling together a set of ideas I have played with for a long time. Will the “independents” focus on the issue of Mitt, the plastic man, sufficiently to reject him? I do not know.

Chernynkaya : CL, I agree with this guy. when you get a chance to read: How the President Can Reconcile Anger With Hopefulness «link»

KillgoreTrout : Sally, supposedly the Russians have a piece of Hitler’s skull, locked up in some sort of forensic archive.

MurphTheSurf3 : CL…polling in Wi for the recall is neck and neck and in Wi. the recalls for the Senate seats fell one seat short. I am worried there are too many who vote without thinking.

choicelady : Sally – CRACK UP!!! That’s so disgusting it’s hilarious! Yes, indeed – Hitler – the Tan Man. Yikes – he’d make racists flinch!

AdLib : Murph – Excellent explanation! I would still propose though that the monkey wrench here is establishing Romney as a liar and a phony. No matter how people may be soured on Obama, they still won’t see Romney as fit for the Presidency. Maybe it reduces turnout but not enough.

KillgoreTrout : cher, LOL! good point. I think they probably didn’t have too many wits to begin with.

choicelady : Murph – Rove and Kochs and Citizens United were ALL defeated in WI and OH. To date that huge amount of cash has generated not a single win. Zip, zilch, nada.

SallyT : CL, Hitler’s body was burned. He would look like that Tanning Bed Mom.

AdLib : Cher – But even low info voters will see Romney as a liar in debates. I don’t see how he becomes an alternative for even them if he’s seen as a fraud.

Chernynkaya : KT because after the financial collapse people got even stupider–always happens when people get scared out of their wits–hence, that expression.

KillgoreTrout : Cl, I agree. It’s just scary to contemplate such crazies.

choicelady : Cher – yes, govs have to balance budgets but DO have better choices. And Obama needs to drive home the job loss of ordinary public workers – firefighters, police, nurses, teachers – because those ordinary people can relate to BIG time.

MurphTheSurf3 : CL…hope you are correct but Rove never believed McCain could win…he was sacrificed to a change wave that everyone saw coming…and that was pre-Citizens United and the mega million and billionaires who have set to buy the WH, the Senate and the House (along with State Govs.)

AdLib : CL – It’s not surprising that the racists and Baggers that make up the core of the GOP are grasping for anything except reality because the facts aren’t on their side. I agree that indies just aren’t going to be moved by such obvious BS.

KillgoreTrout : When Romney lost to bush in 08, how can anybody think he is worthy now?

choicelady : KT – there are always nut jobs, wingnuts, and goobers. Thank heaven they are very few in number. Some think Hitler should be unburied and brought back (forgetting no one knows WHERE he was buried if at all). Can’t deal with that. It’s totally fringe. Don’t worry about it.

Chernynkaya : CL, the repub governors and yes, even Dems, have repressed economic recovery by firing so many public workers. But governors have little choice in some cases if they by law have to balance their budgets, no? But too many used the financial collapse as an excuse to wholesale slaughter public sector. The fact remains that slashing jobs in a recession is murder to the recovery.

choicelady : Murph – I really agree but know that Obama’s ads are designed to be very effective, too, and aimed at the indies of low awareness. I think the Rove Machine has once again met its match in Obama’s messaging capabilities. They ran over Rove on McCain time and time again.

KillgoreTrout : Ad, there are people out there that think Nugent would be a good president. Really! How scary is that?

SallyT : AdLib, they just want to make sure their dummies know that Obama is worst than Romney, even if he is a liar.

choicelady : Cher – I sure hope Obama DOES say that! The governors including OURS in CA have a lot to answer for. Brown’s no help here either. I blame MRS. Brown who is very business friendly and seems to call the shots for the guv.

MurphTheSurf3 : AL…Money drives the following….The Propaganda of Validation provides those who lean in a certain direction for reasons that are generally regarded as unacceptable (at least in public) to embrace other reasons that are acceptable. For example, if you dislike Barack Obama for reasons that are innate to the man (such as his race), it is easy to explain yourself publicly if someone presents you with other reasons to disdain him: he wasn’t born here; he is a marxist; he is an atheist; he is……fill in the blank. Such propaganda serves to support your world view and your belief system in an acceptable form. It validates your view. And then there is the Propaganda of Persuasion…the subtle, water dripping, doubt planting, fact confusing, discussion diverting form of propaganda that focuses on those on the margins of political discourse. These people are often referred to as “independents,” but many are actually better described as “disengaged but still likely to vote.” They are moved by hard-hitting ads, with easy to swallow talking points delivered in a tsunami. That is where the big money comes in…burying the independent in ads.

AdLib : Sally – But no matter how much you diss Obama, when you turn away and look at Romney, if you see a liar and fraud, how do you choose him over the incumbant President who is at least honest?

Chernynkaya : AL, I do think that for some very low-info voters it’ll work. It will be about the economy. It’s easier to just say, “where are the jobs, Obama?” than for Obama to say, “Glad you asked! You guys fired over 600,000 public employees and now blame me??”

choicelady : AdLib – NO – I think all the swiftboating ads and RMoney ads will change very little. People really do know who Obama is. Heard one guy on NPR’s business program that always sucks saying that nothing good is happening anywhere, but someone point out to him that it’s not true. The folks in Steubenville were interviewed as putting all their focus on Obama’s race because unlike the rest of Ohio, nothing much is going on there for them. And their racism is trumping knowing others are improving. So some will believe the carp/crap but most will NOT.

KillgoreTrout : Ad, there’s not that much money in the world. Mitt never learns. It’s always one lie after the next with him. I really think he doesn’t have much comprehension od reality. Seriously.

SallyT : I think the Super Pac money won’t be spent on selling Romney just in putting Obama down and out.

Chernynkaya : That’s just like AB and bito-to deny the obvious!

AdLib : Is the cake pretty well baked for Romney? How can anyone listen to anything he says and believe it?

choicelady : Cher – yeah, carp/crap – she left along with bito. She CLAIMS they’re running off together. We’ll see…

AdLib : Does anyone here think that any amount of SuperPAC or Romney money can change people’s view of him as a liar and fraud?

Chernynkaya : Carp/crap–AB too?!

KillgoreTrout : Have a Funkadelic weekend!

choicelady : funk – good night and good luck. You’re both in our hearts!

Chernynkaya : HAHAHAH Crap and carp!

AdLib : Sorry Funk, take care and have a great weekend!

choicelady : AdLib – I don’t think he’d overload. It’s a way of life with him. What would do him in is having to stand still and TELL THE TRUTH about what he believes. IF he believes ANYTHING.

Chernynkaya : Carp. I missed funk too.

choicelady : AB – sweet dreams indeed, and please tell bito to come home? We just got started.

KillgoreTrout : I’d like to see a debate between Romney and Romney 4 years ago!

funksands : Sheesh, sorry to post and run, but my son is not cooperating.

Chernynkaya : Crap. I missed bito.

AdLib : CL – Or maybe he’d just overload and explode?

choicelady : AB – are you LEAVING? And without the cookie recipe? Maybe it’s for the best?

AlphaBitch : Me and Bits are running off together. Take care team.

choicelady : ADLib – a three-way would test Mitt/Willard/Rom ney – he’s so stiff he moves all of a piece, and he’d start looking like a Kewpie doll in a shooting gallery. Well, now I think on it, it’s not much different from what he already looks like.

AdLib : Night AB!

KillgoreTrout : Sweet dreams AB.

AdLib : Come back Bito!!!

AdLib : AB – I will get you a great photo of Mitt…you could always use the one I made with him having a Pinocchio nose…

bito : I may be back my computer is doing it’s thing-+-crashing ! Hello all

choicelady : KT – it’s a GOOD slogan though!

choicelady : KT – fine for everywhere anyone knows what mittens are. Won’t play beneath the Mason Dixon line.

AlphaBitch : KT: Whew. I was losing faith.

AlphaBitch : So it’s getting late and you all know what a wuss I am for late nights. To recap: Cher will do an expose on the media and ALEC, AL will find me a “good” photo of Mittens, and I’ll order up some bumper stickers.

AdLib : Bito – Or how about a three person debate between Willard, Mitt and Romney?

KillgoreTrout : I screwed up my bumper sticker. Obama 2012 When the Mittens just don’t fit.

choicelady : Hi bito, sweetheart – how ARE you? Willard debating Mitt? He could pull it off. Trust me on this.

AdLib : Hey Bito!!!

bito : A story to frighten even the brave: Close your eyes and imagine Willard debating Mitt.

KillgoreTrout : How about Obama 2012

funksands : Here is Alec’s latest white paper: 81 pages of how the EPA is destroying America «link»

KillgoreTrout : How about Obama 2012

choicelady : Cher leads the most interesting life. Now her neighbor’s dog is in her house. Never a dull moment.

AlphaBitch : CL: See what happened to Cher? Cookies and dogs.

choicelady : AB (whistling) WHAT cookie?

Chernynkaya : Wow, the neighbor’s dog just came in thru the door–BRB.

AlphaBitch : AL: It would be my pleasure to send you a bunch to distribute as you see fit. Let’s get a “good” photo of Mittens.

AlphaBitch : CL: Was that the cookie that Funk brought?

AdLib : AB – Sure, and members could help pay for them by buying them to share.

funksands : Wait. Is that a felony?

choicelady : AB – someone mentions food, and here’s Newt.

Chernynkaya : This list is from the site ALEC EXposed «link»

AlphaBitch : Why Betsy, do tell!

funksands : I’m just sitting her stitching up this old American flag I found.

choicelady : funk – there you go. Goooood boy.

SallyT : I meant to say, “Mitt is backing up again.”

AlphaBitch : Newt: GET OFF this site!

SallyT : AdLib, I think a good bumper sticker for Mitt would be, “If you here this car beeping, Mitt has backed up again.”

funksands : What cookies?

choicelady : funk – we won’t ask about the cookies. This is crawled by Google and who KNOWS who’s watching?

AlphaBitch : So should I have them made up and distributed throughout the Planet?

KillgoreTrout : CL, that does make sense. It took quite a while for money to permeate almost everything in our culture. It’s logical to think that pendulum is starting to swing back to the side of sanity.

AdLib : I’m with AB! I like Cher’s as well.

funksands : I good.

choicelady : AB – oh, that’s great, too!

funksands : Greetings CL

funksands : Hi Ad!

AlphaBitch : I vote for Cher’s as bumper sticker of the night.

choicelady : Hey funk! How are you???

choicelady : Cher – I LOVE THAT – “Lying Sak of Mitt”!!!

AdLib : What up Funk?!

funksands : Hi KT, just enjoying some yummy “cookies”

AdLib : “BullMitt”.

AlphaBitch : Eat Mitt and die?

choicelady : KT – that “spirit of capitalism” has infused everything. Even universities! Profs with Fullbrights are still expected to “bring in the money”!!! Knowledge has become second class to money. But everything is changing – and for the better I think. We are seeing that idea being confronted everywhere. It just takes TIME.

KillgoreTrout : What’s up Funk?

SallyT : Hi, KT! Oh, and the Funk has arrived!

funksands : AB!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

AdLib : Sally –

AlphaBitch : Cher – too good!

AlphaBitch : FUNK!

Chernynkaya : I like “Lying Sack of Mitt.”

MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…the list is from March and July 2011…no coca cola….I wonder if the list is accurate, complete, real? I do not know but the lack of internet action is odd.

KillgoreTrout : Is Sally in da house?

AlphaBitch : Unmittigated gall is what that is, AL.

KillgoreTrout : Ad, that’s pretty good. Much better than Don’t Renig in 2012.

SallyT : AdLib, Mitt’s would be a golden gate.

funksands : Hi everyone!

Chernynkaya : Agreed KT.

Chernynkaya : Murph I don’t know about suppression–you could be right! But the list is not that old–maybe a week?–and it may take time for blogs to research. Also, in the past month 13 companies quit ALEC, so it’s shifting. Color Of Change did an amazing job calling out ALEC companies–they got CocaCola and others to quit.

AdLib : Or if there’s a scandal connected to Mitt…would they call it “Mittigate”?

KillgoreTrout : Great point CL. Maybe there is a bit of hope. It just worries me that big corps are making huge profits in the “news,” business. Thirty years ago, news departments really weren’t expected to make big profits. It was the spirit of reporting that was favored over profits.

AdLib : Bumper sticker: “Mitigate Romney”

AlphaBitch : KT – and thanks God they are only 20%. And from the looks of the Tea Party Pubs, they won’t last that long. I smell diabetes and other serious diseases.

SallyT : AB and CL hope you two have kept them hopping on here tonight.

KillgoreTrout : cher, I think the people who really suffer from Obama Derangment Syndrome are the same 20% that supported bush, no matter what. In other words, the morons who believe whatever FOX news and Rush Limbaugh tell the. The RW talking points machines.

SallyT : Cher, don’t hold back on my account!

choicelady : Hy Sally! Good to see you!

AdLib : Hey Sally!

Chernynkaya : Sally, we were just about to when you came in–HI!

AlphaBitch : Hi Sally. Only 3.

choicelady : KT – remember we’ve been through the downswing of journalism before. NOTHING was as awful as Hearst in the Spanish American War. Yellow dog journalism ruled, and yet we moved away and got such amazing reporting between the wars and through the 1970s. We can do it again.

AlphaBitch : And my other shirt would say “Mitt Romney. Brought to you by Karl Rove, Bush’s Brain”

SallyT : Good Evening. Have you guys killed anyone yet?

KillgoreTrout : Pretty good AB.

Chernynkaya : Swiftboating Obama won’t work because, unlike Kerry, people SAW what Obama did and said, and they know him. Even if you don’t like Obama, you know what he said and did. It’s too currant.

AlphaBitch : FUCK no AdLib. I’d wear a tee shirt that said “Got ‘em” if I were PO. And another that said “Barack HUSSEIN Obama – because it IS America!”

AdLib : Cher – It’s beyond satire to have vapid music contest hosts reporting the Presidential campaign!

choicelady : AB – LOL!!! Warren. He’s also a member of the Omaha Press Club where he lives but does NOT have a paper or TV station. He has to be a “guest member” there! My aunt and uncle worked for the Omaha World Herald and knew him and his late wife a little. Nicest guy in the world. Hope his health holds out.

MurphTheSurf3 : BACK….sent the word re. ALEC list and Media Connection out to my e mail list. Are we tweeting this too (in that I am neolithic), but I have a big e mail list. Did three searches using three engines for the story and it basically is not there…are the engines being suppressed?

KillgoreTrout : I’m sometimes afraid the the spirit of genuine journalism is dead and possibly gone forever.

AdLib : AB – And the Repubs have started trying to swiftboat Obama on Bin Laden! Make it radioactive for Obama to even mention? No way, won’t work.

AlphaBitch : Jimmy? Or Warren?

Chernynkaya : If I were Maddow, or any of them, I’d be so insulted by Seacrest’s hire I’d quit.

choicelady : AB – well no one said it was all on YOU!!! We just need to find someone who will give honest reporting. Buffet owns the Buffalo News and it does a pretty good job.

Chernynkaya : AL–I was speechless. And like you, immediately thought of Network. GAH!

AlphaBitch : HOn, we might not be able to resurrect it. I’m just Biff, remember?

AlphaBitch : Got ahead of myself and hit enter. Fingers fly faster than brain.

choicelady : AB – let’s hold a resurrection for the news!

AdLib : Cher – What??? Ryan Seacrest is an election reporter for NBC? The movie Network now looks naive!

AlphaBitch : KT: excellent choice.

choicelady : AB – oh that’s good!

Chernynkaya : AB, and if Romney were Pres, it’d be the opposite: GM dead and Bin Ladin alive.

KillgoreTrout : Wow, don’t quite know how to answer that one! Maybe in a prior life?

choicelady : AB – what’s the slogan>

choicelady : KT – I know Grant’s Pass indeed – and I totally agree. Hubby and I are great frequenters of the Ashland theater stuff but just the area, too. Good pick – less rainy by far!

AlphaBitch : Let’s hold a memorial for the news.

AdLib : CL – Indeed, as I mentioned, news has to be an activity and not a recreation now.

AlphaBitch : CL: you have to stop every now and then and just breathe.

Chernynkaya : AL–so true! The MSM is dead. Imagine, NBC hired RYAN SEACREST as a 2012 election reporter and analyst!

choicelady : AB – I won’t EVER forget Barbara Jordan! What an amazing woman!

AlphaBitch : Osama dead, GM alive. It’s just the truth.

KillgoreTrout : CL, actually I was thinking of Grant’s Pass, further to the south of Oregon. Absolutely gorgeous.

choicelady : AB – been to the fight too damn long. I tip my hat to ya, but even in CA the fight exists, and I’m getting freaking sick of it.

AlphaBitch : I thought of my slogan for the Obama compaign:

choicelady : AdLib – I think you’re right that we have an obligation to keep talking about the media and about truth. I think all of us and our local allies and friends should seriously take on local papers – ed board meetings, getting to know local reporters – REALLY get to know them by contacting them often – and if need be, picketing them and challenging advertisers when they won’t listen. We tend to be too insular and often too passive. Raise hell! Get their attention! Be NICE to those who listen, and annoy and vex those who do not. WE want our MEDIA back!

AlphaBitch : KT: How come I’m not your daughter???

AdLib : Cher – The way out is by making it common knowledge that the MSM is corrupt and that going to independent blogs and researching the proven-to-be-leg it bigger sources is the path to the truth. News as an active thing instead of passive.

AlphaBitch : Cher: Your wish is granted.

KillgoreTrout : AB, what a small world. My daughter lives in Portland and went to college in Missoula Montana.

AlphaBitch : CL: And let’s not forget Barbara Jordan.

Chernynkaya : I need to win the lottery so I can buy a few acres in Portland. That’s where there will still be water in 30 years–not in So Cal.

AlphaBitch : CL: I live and breathe by Davy Crockett’s words “You may all go to hell. I’m going to Texas” We HAD Henry B. Gonzalez, and HAVE Lloyd Doggett and Julian and Joaquin Castro (I know their mama – she is amazing). You gots to go where the fight is if’n you want to change things.

KillgoreTrout : CL, while I was in Portland, I just loved the mountains. They are sort rare for me to see on a daily basis.

choicelady : KT – one of the most amazing places. Columbia River Gorge is simply amazing, and the whole area is wonderful. I think it’s less expensive not IN Seattle, but around there, but it’s also more rainy and colder. Portland has a great balance.

choicelady : AB – Texas without Molly and Ms. Ann might not be worth hanging around for? Jim Hightower, yes, but the heart and soul are gone. I’m sure there are others, but we don’t know them. Could not make me live there not fer nuttin’.

KillgoreTrout : New Hmpshire and Boston Mass.

AlphaBitch : KT: Go to Portland. It was nicer than Seattle, last I checked. One of my faves was Missoula MT. And I love the Bitterroots.

Chernynkaya : Frankly, the media is one of my biggest concerns. We have plenty of free press, but little unbiased press. Not good for democracy. What good if Freedom of the Press if the Press won;t do it’s job?

KillgoreTrout : CL, I spent 3 years in NC when I was in the Corps. I spent nearly a year just across the Columbia river and Portland OR.

AdLib : AB – Newtmares!

choicelady : KT – BTW – I KNOW where you are in Ohio, and trust me on this, unless you LIKE hot muggy weather, the NW is much nicer and it’s NOT FLAT.

AlphaBitch : KT: I lived in the NW for 10 years, then came home to Texas and Rick Perry. But I hung w/ Ms. Ann for a few nights and it was worth it.

AdLib : AB – I don’t know that it means we’re screwed, it means that we have to keep people going in the direction they’ve been going and turning away from the MSM to get their news…while suspecting the MSM for manipulating it. This is why OWS scared all of them so much, it could be the wave that exposes the MSM and moves people away from it.

AlphaBitch : I would like to see a local program of teens studying journalism in school doing a local news broadcast – including one truly “newsy” story. Just to train ‘em up right.

choicelady : KT – where in the South? The NW may be rainy, but it is absolutely gorgeous. Well worth thinking about.

KillgoreTrout : AB, I surely once was. Thinking about leaving Ohio, for the northwest. I’m not sure about all the rain though. I used to refer to myself as a free spirit. LOL!

choicelady : ADLib – balance. She has balance. Current Events. Cookie dough ice cream. Renaissance girl.

Chernynkaya : Newtmares! LOL!!

AlphaBitch : AL: I have newtmares about him and Calista

choicelady : ADLib – collusion of the media with ALEC and who knows who else is terribly scary. At least McClatchy doesn’t seem to be there.

Chernynkaya : AL, she will pick it up almost by osmosis–it’s all around her in the atmosphere of your home.

AlphaBitch : KT: You’re a rambling man.

AdLib : AB – Yep, that’s gotta be it! Newt is scary to dream about!

AlphaBitch : AL But NOTHING is as important as mint chocolate, right?

KillgoreTrout : AB, I lived all over America. Both coasts, northeast, south east (NC) and Northwest, southwest!

AdLib : Cher – She’s almost 9 and as you know, we’re trying to get her thinking that being involved and aware is important…at least as much as cookie dough ice cream.

AlphaBitch : AL: It means we are screwed, and that they make up facts to keep us confused. I’m still wigged out and concerned about electronic voting. It’s why I’m a codger!

AlphaBitch : KT: Are you a southern man?

KillgoreTrout : AB, I guess Moon Pies wouldn’t work so well.

choicelady : AdLib – I think that makes perfect sense. You want to talk over the day with someone, you have wine or a beer or something. She sees the process of talking and sharing something good to eat go together. She’s just doing what WE do.

AlphaBitch : So let’s keep ALEC BALDWIN and discard the other ALECS and BALDWINS. OK?

AdLib : So, what does it mean to have at least half of the owners of our media colluding to influence our politics?

Chernynkaya : AL–your daughter is a gem–and only, what-9? And if I may, my son knows more about current events than even me.

KillgoreTrout : Cl, quite true that. At least Alec has a sense of humor.

AlphaBitch : AL: Your response frightens her, so she ingests sugar to avoid falling asleep and dreaming of Newt.

choicelady : AB – let’s just be blunt about Bladwins. Those people reproduced like bunnies and NO one can keep them straight.

AdLib : Cher – My daughter is at least asking me from time to time, “What happened in the news today?” which of course makes Dad happy…then she does ask if she can stay up and have ice cream…any connection?

KillgoreTrout : CL, that would be Stephen.

choicelady : KT – maybe it’s just not all that easy to light up ANY Baldwin? I think they’re all very weird.

AlphaBitch : CL: I think that IS Stephen. But who the hell is Billy?

choicelady : AB – is the Dominionist Billy – I can’t keep them straight. Whichever one is the “I Luuuuuvvv Jesus” freak. He just makes me want to puke.

KillgoreTrout : CL, Steven just looks dimwitted. You can actually see the missing lumens!

AdLib : Stephen is a babbling moron whose career is as over as Nugent’s.

Chernynkaya : AL-no offense taken! Her dad and I are so politically aware and involved, we sometimes despair. Fortunately, his younger 16 y/o is savvy.

AlphaBitch : CL: But which one is Billy?

choicelady : AdLib – better ALEC than Stephen. He’s the Dominionist Baldwin who makes me LITERALLY nauseated when he’s on TV. I can tolerate Alec. NOT his stupid brother.

AlphaBitch : Cher: I think it’s hard. I deal with children from around the world, and they are – for the most part -heads and shoulders above our own on global issues of importance. Even the 16 year olds…..

Chernynkaya : CL, I know, right?

AdLib : Cher – No offense intended about your step-daughter, just trying to say that many her age came out on the streets to celebrate it.

choicelady : Cher – AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! !!! “It didn’t affect me so I didn’t CARE?????” Good thing she wasn’t alive 12-7-41…

KillgoreTrout : CL, LOL! I’m proud to say that i’ve never pondered a piercing!

AlphaBitch : And if you had been, I would suggest a check up

Chernynkaya : AL–That was my step-daughter. I can’t tell you how hard it is sometimes!

AlphaBitch : Good one AL!

choicelady : AdLib – that’s so true, thanks for reminding us. The joy in the streets involved many young people who were just KIDS when 9/11 happened, so yeah – not everyone’s an egomaniac.

AdLib : I can say with confidence, The Planet has never been with ALEC though his is our favorite Baldwin.

Chernynkaya : CL, I asked her (very calmly and sweetly) if she remembered where she was on 9/11. She said Yes! She was in her 6th grade class and her teacher told them. She said, “but it didn’t affect me, so I didn;t care.”

KillgoreTrout : Good point Ad. They were the most effected by 9/11 I think. They have more of a future left than we old fogeys!

AlphaBitch : I was inundated with emails of congratulations from all my “children” from and in Afghanistan. I had to keep telling them it really wasn’t me……

choicelady : AB LOL!!!!!

choicelady : KT – if you CAN capture their attention, it’s well worth giving the background indeed. It’s getting them off their personal introspection. This generation doesn’t do even navel gazing. It’s navel RING gazing. Oy.

AdLib : Cher – That’s just one ignorant guy. Think about all the 20-somethings who came out to celebrate OBL’s death that night.

Chernynkaya : AL, I’ve been missing writing for a while. This is a fun project for me!

choicelady : Cher – I watched it, too – and I just swallowed my tongue at that question. I taught college kids as a grad student who, five years later, had NO IDEA what had gone on in Vietnam or where it was or that WE WERE FIGHTING THERE.

AlphaBitch : CL: Now there’s a slogan: “No activists are EVER harmed here.” Right up w/ PeaceKitten’s “I’ve Been Craptured!”

KillgoreTrout : Ha CL. Maybe those other old fogeys will pass it on the younger less informed. I do have faith in our young people. I have to, the alternative is just too depressing.

choicelady : Murph – the one good thing about becoming the “disappeared” over at HPAOL is that you still exist in peace on the Planet. No activists are EVER harmed here.

Chernynkaya : CL, I was watching the report on killing OBL last nite and the 21y/o walked in and asked, “Is that about that guy from 9/11?”

AdLib : Cher – Thanks so much for running with this! It’s exactly the kind of story that underlines the importance of The Planet. MSNBC and CNN won’t run it, they’d be indicting themselves!

choicelady : Cher – you don’t have ADD or you’d not KNOW how many other things are out there. You’d just focus on the little spider on the wall until diverted by the dust on the floor and forget the spider entirely. ADD is a happier place than we inhabit…

MurphTheSurf3 : Ad Lib…I am going to try to drop this ALEC list into the HP stream and see what happens. I may be the next one of our happy group who disappears from the “community”. I am really pissed off about this….really..

AlphaBitch : I’m a proud member of the codger factor these days myself.

choicelady : KT – Excuse me while I laugh – I reach OTHER old fogies? I think you were – I HOPE you were – responding elsewhere!!!

Chernynkaya : There are so mnay HUGE stories abt the GOP and Romney–it’s hard not to have ADD.

KillgoreTrout : CL, but always young at heart.

KillgoreTrout : CL, your efforts are quite admirable. It’s so hard to reach an uninformed section of our citizens. But, it has to be done somehow. You really do commendable work in that area.

choicelady : Cher – Oh lordy, I’m SURE you are right about that!

AdLib : Murph – So true! I was watching MSNBC more than my typically minimal hours today and they just kept hammering the same stories against Romney over and over, from one show to another. Where was this story???

Chernynkaya : CL, Jimmy Olsen Cher is on it!

choicelady : KT – knowing what Fifth Column means makes very clear we are now certifiable Old Fogies.

Chernynkaya : CL–Boy, do I hear that! They may not even know what Trojan Horse means.

choicelady : Cher – oh PLEASE do a post on media and ALEC!!!!! Please, please?

Chernynkaya : I’m going to start this weekend, AL. thanks.

choicelady : KT – I’ve been hollering Fifth Column for a year now. Problem – I’m hollering at kids who don’t even know the Sp. Civil War and what that means.

MurphTheSurf3 : My friends…seriou sly….we need a strong article on what this list means…it will be the kind of thing we pass on to lots of others….I just scanned the list…it is terrifying…and most of you know I am a frequent HP contributor.

Chernynkaya : Not Tribune, but DirectTV.

AlphaBitch : I second Cher.

AdLib : Cher, absolutely! This is big and you’ll nail it!

KillgoreTrout : These surely are troubling times for our wonderful democratic experiment.

choicelady : All – I definitely urge you to read Crisis of Democracy by Michael Crozer et al. written in 1976. It’s THE blueprint for all our ills. Done FOR the Trilateral Commission on what needs to die – democracy, free press, unions, etc. – to let global capital thrive. It is STILL being used in classrooms to promote world free trade.

Chernynkaya : may I volunteer to write about the media and ALEC?

AdLib : Cher – What about Tribune?

AdLib : Murph – This is bigger than just HP…much of our media is controlled by corps that are members of a cabal to affect our democracy.

Chernynkaya : Not Disney or Viacom.

choicelady : AdLib – Yes, I know you liked him a lot when you met. He liked you, too. KT and Murph – you can find ALL the members at: «link»

KillgoreTrout : The news outlets are no longer part of the 4th esatate, as much as they are a 5th column!

Chernynkaya : And if Romney is elected by them, he’ll be the first corporation to be President of the United States.

MurphTheSurf3 : SO…who is going to write a piece on the HPAOL connection to ALEC? This is important.

AdLib : Cher – Viacom? Disney?

AdLib : Wow…this is big…much of the media in bed on controlling our democracy…dire ctly???

KillgoreTrout : Ad, is it Westinghouse?

Chernynkaya : Time-Warner-yep!

Chernynkaya : Wow- NOT NewsCorp.

AdLib : Cher – So…MSNBC’s majority owner…is a member of ALEC.

Chernynkaya : GE-Yes.

AdLib : CL – I’m a Bob Edgar fan too, as you know.

Chernynkaya : Comcast-yes, ALEC.

Chernynkaya : Give me a sec, AL.

choicelady : Cher – oh that’s GREAT. Trust ol’ Bob Edgar to do that. He is a minister, a CEO of Common Cause and a former Congressman. GO BOB!!!

KillgoreTrout : CL, no, I meant Alec is immoral in it’s purpose.

AdLib : I wonder if GE, Comcast, Fox and Time Warner are also in it? Cher, did you scan the list yet?

choicelady : KT – it’s not immoral to give up your membership list, esp. as Cher says they are non-profit. That has to be disclosed to the IRS.

MurphTheSurf3 : CL…yep, ALEC is tax exempt…WOW…g reed does them in.

choicelady : Cher – it IS a 501-c-3???? Then how does it do so much advocacy??? That’s got to be via a c-4 (NO tax deductions, thank you) or it’s ILLEGAL. Look my organization walks that tightrope regularly, and if WE can do it, so must they. Like to know just how they pull that all off.

AdLib : Someone has to be leaking ALEC membership info, how else could the threatened boycotts have happened and all the corps pulling out?

Chernynkaya : Common Cause challenges ALEC’s tax-exempt status «link» kos.com/story/20 12/04/23/1085663 /-Common-Cause-c hallenges-ALEC-s -tax-exempt-stat us

choicelady : Murph – another route MAY be if ALEC is a non-profit. I don’t think so, but if it is, it has to file a 990 with the IRS giving donation sources.

KillgoreTrout : CL, legal yes, morally correct, not so much.

Chernynkaya : ALEC is tax-exempt. I assume members pay fees, and also get tax advantages for donating.

AdLib : So I wonder, any connection to the rumor floating around about Arianna wanting to buy back HP or do a new startup blog?

KillgoreTrout : Murph, I think Aryanna has been an opportunist most of her adult life. I must admit, that I was drawn in when she appeared to be a lib, but after seeing that photo of her with Newt and the other Boat (yacht) people, i gave up such illusions.

choicelady : Murph – it’s no doubt a list leaked by a member to the media or at least blog world. Nothing at all illegal about it.

Chernynkaya : CL–LOL! Thanks.

choicelady : CL – I thought it was big noses. And his is wee. And that’s all I’m saying about THAT.

MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…why would a list of members of a private group be public record. Tax returns? are these public record?

choicelady : AB – I have forgotten the Senator’s name. I will try to find it. He’s long gone (I fear he probably passed on as they say) but it was a wonderful deed, it was!

AdLib : Cher – I agree, people enjoy the functionality of the site and the interaction, that will weigh in their favor.

choicelady : Cher – you’re about the only person who can use perfidy in a sentence and make it work. I digress – she is smooth, is she not.

AdLib : CL – In the world of journalism, HP should be hit hard. I don’t know about how the regulars will react.

AlphaBitch : CL: She obviously confused the old saying about “big feet mean…” and thought it also applied to “big head…”

Chernynkaya : Murph, there have been several lists of Cos in ALEC–it’s public record. Tax returns.

AlphaBitch : Who read it into the record, CL?

MurphTheSurf3 : KT…in part that this info is just getting out…that HP is not getting ahead of the tsunami that will hit when it does…that HP has not stepped away already (probably hoping the list would not get out)….that it make a place where I spend real time more and more suspect in my mind. Having blasted them this morning about their coverage of the jobs report…it makes sense.

choicelady : AB – with Newt out of the race, it will be easier to find him for Arianna to boff. Why she’d WANT to is unclear, but she’s clearly smitten with him.

Chernynkaya : Cl, I agree. There’s been so much damning info on AH already. Also, she’s a very sly concern troll. I watched her recently and she can SEEM to be espousing lib ideas. You have to be very alert to catch her perfidy.

choicelady : Murph – it’s all public now. I found a list from another site, NOT Common Cause, with all the members. All it takes is for ONE member to pass it on. That’s what we did in the 70s with “street names” hiding private accounts for institutional investors – we had a Senator read it into the Congressional Record. Perfectly legal.

KillgoreTrout : How so Murph?

Chernynkaya : AL, it does for me, but I think their interactive software is just too irresistible to most posters there.

choicelady : AdLib – you’d think it would, but if we had a hard time knowing, how would her besotted fans ever figure it out? If putting Breitbart on her pages didn’t work to tell people the truth, this won’t either.

AdLib : CL – Well done!

MurphTheSurf3 : Cher, KT…hmmmmm…I wonderhow Common Cause got the list….very distrubing.

AdLib : Cher – That is huge, just followed the link! Doesn’t that totally explode any claim HPAOL has on legitimacy?

choicelady : I have to take credit for busting up the Common Cause love fest with Arianna. I refused to attend an event with her. The CEO is a long time ally of mine, and I guess they paid attention.

AlphaBitch : What oh what will Whorianna do now that Newt is out?

KillgoreTrout : Murph, it really wouldn’t surprise me. Considering Aryanna’s bent to go which ever way the GOP wind is blowing.

Chernynkaya : Murph here’s the full ALEC list: «link»

choicelady : Hi Murph – that’s good info, and how are you anyway?

MurphTheSurf3 : Cher….just saw your link. Thanks. More grist for my mill.

MurphTheSurf3 : Cher…is there proof re. HPAOL and ALEC. I have read it on several blogs but so far no evidence trail.

Chernynkaya : yep–according to ThinkProgess/ Common Cause: «link»

choicelady : Cher – that does not surprise me. HPAOL sucks up to big time corporatists.

KillgoreTrout : cher, I’m stunned!

KillgoreTrout : Good one AB!

AlphaBitch : CHer – No I did not!

AdLib : Cher – Are you serious about HPAOL and ALEC???

KillgoreTrout : I am listening to Thick As A Brick, and thought that may have caused the planet to sputter. LOL

Chernynkaya : Speaking of washed-up Republicans, didja hear that HPAOL is a member of ALEC?

AlphaBitch : KT: That’s what the Koch Bros are for!

choicelady : KT and AdLib – PERFECT! I’d not pay money to see that tour. But then, I don’t pay money to see ANY tour, so can’t go by me.

AdLib : Killgore – They’d have to lock the doors too to keep them from fleeing.

KillgoreTrout : Ad, If they wanted anyone to attend, they’d have to pay the audience.

AdLib : The Washed Up Republicans Tour!

AdLib : Killgore – Dennis Miller and Ted Nugent should hold a concert that no one wants to go to.

Chernynkaya : What I said before the eclipse was that I like this line: Romney is accusing Obama of not cleaning the Repubs’ mess fast enough.

AlphaBitch : KT; He don’t look all that “washed up” to me. Some bad funk there (no offense, funkman!)

choicelady : Cher – that musta been it. A total eclipse of the Planet. But the sun’s back out now!

KillgoreTrout : Well cher, unlike the moon, the Planet emits it’s own light.

choicelady : AdLib – and here I thought it was moi. Went out, came back, and it’s someone ELSE’s fault! I’m in therapy for that…

Chernynkaya : O gee, glad we’re back. The Planet went dark for a while there. Eclipse?

KillgoreTrout : Ad, now he is just a washed up rock and roller who has nothing else than to play the same game Coulter and Rush and Hannity play. Sad.

AdLib : Whoops! Sorry folks, server burped. We’re back!

AlphaBitch : Hey -why’d I get kicked off? Forget the money! And I’m keeping the unicorns too.

AlphaBitch : Adlib: When RoMONEY gives me a 500K job, I will give the Planet $100K. OK?

choicelady : Hey KT and Cher – lovely to see you!

AdLib : Hey CL!

choicelady : AB – Lamb gots a good home. Hoo hah!

AdLib : Killgore – Ted’s at least moderate when surrounded by psychotics.

Chernynkaya : CL! Hi.

KillgoreTrout : Hey choice.

AlphaBitch : Choicelady: Lamb now lives outside Nashvegas with my BGF, who is laughing her arse off!

choicelady : Evening all – hope you’re all well?

AdLib : So how about Romney declaring we should be having 500k jobs a month and 4% unemployment…a nd blaming Obama for there not being enough unicorns around.

KillgoreTrout : I see crazy Ted went off on a reporter today. He was trying to convince us that he is a moderate! Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Chernynkaya : Hi, KT!

AlphaBitch : KT – What’s shakin’ bacon?

AdLib : Hey Killgore!

AlphaBitch : Adlib: IDIOT

KillgoreTrout : What’s up folks?

AdLib : LOUDAH!

AdLib : AB – The smart ones say “Bin Laden” and “President Obama”. In other words, very few of them.

AlphaBitch : AdLib: Never if you’re from MA

AlphaBitch : I for one wish the MSM would learn the difference between “OSama” and “OBama”.

AdLib : AB – I did not know that. So never shout “louder!” when someone is speaking Pashto?

Chernynkaya : AB–green pigs steal my eggs. I love dive-bombing them. (Angry Birds.)

AlphaBitch : Cher – I’ve never even seen a green pig unless I’m Drunken AlphaBitch

Chernynkaya : Angry Cher keeps diving into green pigs.

AlphaBitch : No, hon – that’s HUNGRY AdLib

AdLib : Humorous Adlib is here…who is Angry Adlib and why does he keep eating my sandwiches?

Chernynkaya : Dr. Laodlib!! Awesome.

AlphaBitch : So AdLib: a tee shirt contest. I am always wanting to wear my thoughts…

AlphaBitch : Good one Cher!

Chernynkaya : AL–too many Eves for you. Very different but both has a bumpy ride!

AlphaBitch : Ad: Did you know that the Dari (or Pashto -not sure) word for idiot sounds like “loud-ah”?

AdLib : I always used to get The 3 Faces of Eve mixed up with All About Eve.

Chernynkaya : AB don’t know, but they both dealt with same thing.

AlphaBitch : So we have Humorous AdLib with us tonight?

AdLib : Hi Murph!

Chernynkaya : Hey Murph!

AlphaBitch : Cher – yep. My first time watching it. Kept thinking of Sally Field in Sybil. Was that based on 3 Faces?

AdLib : AB – Heh! I was watching “The Seven Faces of Dr. Laodlib”.

AlphaBitch : Hey Murph!

Chernynkaya : Hi AB! Seriously, Was 3 Faces of Eve on? I love that movie.

AdLib : Not too much, how about you?

MurphTheSurf3 : Occupy the Planet….about the only Occupy Moment I have a chance being heard at……Hi there.

AlphaBitch : Hey Ho Cher and AdLib – just finished watching “The Three Faces of AdLib” on TCM.

Chernynkaya : Same here–anything new?

AdLib : Cher! Wonderful to seeya!

Chernynkaya : Hi, Adlib! How’s it going?

AdLib : Don’t forget to say “hi” when you arrive!”

AdLib : Vox Populi, our live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7 pm PST. Hope to see you then!