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AdLib On June - 9 - 2017
Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PDT. I’m busy making reservations at the Gray Bar Hotel for Trump and his cronies so guest hosting tonight is the always wise and wonderful Choicelady! Have a great Vox and I’ll see you next week!
AdLib 7 days ago
This is so bizarre.How does one begin to explain the cluster f++k that is the Donald Trump presidency? Help me out Vox,not that I don’t have anything to say,but I need a jump off point.There are not enough superlatives to describe what is really going on.I think!?

Beatlex

7 days ago
Hi Beatlex – we’ll start at 7 pm PDT so let’s talk about this then. GREAT qustion!

choicelady

7 days ago
Hey everyone – happy Friday!

choicelady

7 days ago
Hi, y’all. Mine’s a Covfefe and Pronto! ( One Covfefe and Pronto coming up!)

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
What FLAVOR covfefe do you want, PPO? We seem to be stuck with orange.

choicelady

7 days ago
Hey glenn – see ya!

choicelady

7 days ago
Mango’s fine!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
hi glenn.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – I apologize for cultural insensitivity – it’s Saturday there, isn’t it?

choicelady

7 days ago
Mango’s the thing. Coming up.

choicelady

7 days ago
What sensitivity? Yep its Saturday noon

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
brb – Fergie stirs!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
I said happy Friday, but that’s for us Yanks.

choicelady

7 days ago
Well, was the Comey thing Yuuge or a bit of a fizzer?

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
OK – I have NO idea what you just said!

choicelady

7 days ago
Oh wait – yes I do. I think it WILL be Yuge.

choicelady

7 days ago
Good evening, all–or afternoon in your case, PPO.

glenn

7 days ago
hey glenn – how are things down your way?

choicelady

7 days ago
Hi, glenn.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Beatlex–kinda hard to explain trump’s presidiocy–my new word for whatever it is that trump is doing in the White House.

glenn

7 days ago
Does anyone REALLY take PumpkinPuss’ word that he’ll testify under oath? (BTW ADlib’s take is a classic!)

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
glenn – Beatlex was here about an hour ago. I think – hope – he’ll return. LOVE your new word for…whatever it is.

choicelady

7 days ago
PPO – hell no. He also said he’d talk about the tapes “in very few days”. Oh sure.

choicelady

7 days ago
All – I love AdLib’s “work” of preparing reservations at Gray Bar Inn for DT.

choicelady

7 days ago
PPO – what if any is the reaction to the UK election?

choicelady

7 days ago
Oops, missed that Beatlex was gone. Oh well, hope he comes back so we can chat.

glenn

7 days ago
glenn – agree. Haven’t seen him in a long time.

choicelady

7 days ago
CL–my new word is a combo of president and idiocy, which is perfectly describes trump, IMO.

glenn

7 days ago
glenn – you nailed it!

choicelady

7 days ago
Election in Britain feedback here is surprise that May got her ass handed to her. I don’t see her ruling with 10 DUP MPs from Northern Ireland. Those cretins are feral, – ex-Ian Paisleys heritage

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – yow. Doesnt’ sound good. I know next to nothing about Corbin. Is he good or another self appointed ideologue?

choicelady

7 days ago
PPO–doing well here. How are you? As for pumpkinpuss, he should be held to his word and be MADE to testify under oath. Dems should be calling every day for him to testify. They should be writing letters to the chairmen of the respective committees, both in the House and Senate, to have trump brought before the committees and testify. Let trump set the date so he can’t weasel out of it. MAKE him testify. After all, Comey testified under oath and didn’t flinch; spoke in complete sentences, spoke calmly, sat straight and tall in his chair, and told the truth! Make trump do the same!

glenn

7 days ago
cl, the nearest thing to Jeremy is good ol’ Bernie Sanders. Corbyn is very left wing, but has curbed his stridency and has moderated quite a bit. May blew it by, as happened in the US Rust Belt, ignoring the 45% who might have been swayed a bit by lessening crippling austerity programs.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
glenn – your wish is Dem’s command – they are pressing for Trump to testify under oath. Not sure of the legal route, but it sounds serious. Be sure of this – no matter who sets the date, Trump’s “heel spurs” will suddenly appear.

choicelady

7 days ago
PPO–from what I’ve been reading about the UK, it’s kind of a “split parliament”. Does that mean it will turn into a do nothing chamber like our Congress?

glenn

7 days ago
PPO – good to hear Corbyn (sorry on the spelling) might be a good counterbalance. BTW – HRC didn’t lose working class people at all. Trump’s group is those of higher income who never set foot in a steel mill. The report on demographics just came out on that. But May is austerity now, austerity for YOU forever. I can see that would be deadly.

choicelady

7 days ago
cl and glenn, You’re both right. Poface should be ‘invited’ in the strongest possible way to front up.But I won’t hold my breath. I’ll bet that if he does, his only contribution will be ‘I’m taking the 5th! It’s the best 5th, I’ve got plenty at Mar a lago’

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – LOL!!! You know our Orange Leader well!!!

choicelady

7 days ago
Hello guest – I think you have to log in to do this Vox chat. Please feel invited.

choicelady

7 days ago
CL–Yeah, I can’t believe that trump will testify. He’ll bluster and twitter, but I don’t think he will ever “put up or shut up”. That’s why I want Dems to keep up the pressure, so he has to do something. They can’t let him get away with throwing out these one-liners like “100% I’ll testify” and then never testify. That’s what irks me!

glenn

7 days ago
cl, then he can tweet that he testified and was completely vindicated!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
glenn – I think Mueller has a thing or two to say. I just read a couple of incisive articles that TRUMP may NOT fire Mueller. So there’s that!

choicelady

7 days ago
brb Fergie needs her coffee!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – his cult will buy it. America won’t.

choicelady

7 days ago
CL–can trump even fire Mueller? Can a president fire an independent prosecutor? I thought that was the whole idea of an “independent” prosecutor. Then Mueller should keep after trump to testify.

glenn

7 days ago
My take…follow the money.While All of the media and the poltical people are talking about the latest shiny bauble,there lies beneath it the original crime,IMO.That Trump is beholden to Putin going back years,Manafort being the connection that ties it all together.Trump never expected to win,but now that he is President,all of his shady business dealings will come out

Beatlex

7 days ago
Sorry – the transformer in our alley just blew up shorting everything out!!! HUGE explosion, but we now have power. I do NOT need this excitement given this discussion!!!

choicelady

7 days ago
CL–oops, just re-read your post and completely misunderstood it. You’re right, trump can’t fire Mueller; therefore Mueller should make him testify. Then we can impeach trump on lying to Congress, which is what they used to impeach Clinton.

glenn

7 days ago
Beatlex–from your keyboard to the committee’s investigators.

glenn

7 days ago
Beatlex – I 100% agree, and this is the work of the Intel Community. They have demanded financial records from Manafort et al. It will be damning.

choicelady

7 days ago
CL–oh my! What happened? Wow, you got power back quickly!

glenn

7 days ago
glenn – it was scary – it kept surging and blowing and then…power! So I rebooted and am back. But seriously – I did NOT know what was going on for a few seconds!

choicelady

7 days ago
Aw, it wasn’t Drumph’ head exploding? Dammit! Glad you’re OK and back up

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – I rather hoped it was the Yam Man’s blow out, but NOT if we have to duck and cover in the process!

choicelady

7 days ago
CL–just glad to know you are okay. You’re in CA, right?

glenn

7 days ago
glenn – yes. All is well. We have municipal power, and they have amazing recoveries.

choicelady

7 days ago
PPO–good one! You are a nasty boy!

glenn

7 days ago
If it had been trump’s head, you’d probably be cleaning the orange out of your keyboard!

glenn

7 days ago
Hey Harleigh–how are you tonight?

glenn

7 days ago
Beatlex – I seriously agree with your idea. From massive amounts of data over the past two years, we’ve seen that DT and his spawn are heavily into Russian money. It’s what’s currently under investigation.

choicelady

7 days ago
( sniggers like Muttley)

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
glenn – ick!

choicelady

7 days ago
Hi Harleigh!

choicelady

7 days ago
harleigh!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
CL–

glenn

7 days ago
Hi folks!!! Man it’s halftime for one of the best finals game ever.

Harleigh

7 days ago
glenn – LOL!!!

choicelady

7 days ago
trump still suck though.

Harleigh

7 days ago
Harleigh – all things in perspective. The yin yang of life.

choicelady

7 days ago
At the risk of sounding dumb, H, which final?

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
LOL NBA

Harleigh

7 days ago
true CL

Harleigh

7 days ago
OK, can’t get here. Not on Cable

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
You can stream it online.??

Harleigh

7 days ago
I hardly ever watch tv anymore. use my laptop.

Harleigh

7 days ago
Don’t know how. Sorry. Old fogey!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
LOL

Harleigh

7 days ago
PPO – being uninterested in tech is NOT “Old Fogey” status.

choicelady

7 days ago
No kids around?

Harleigh

7 days ago
CL and Beatlex–I agree that investigators should follow the money. However, with this Congress, it doesn’t seem to matter if trump is up to his eyeballs in debt to Russians; they will say that it’s just “business”, not evidence of collusion. I think the best way is to make trump testify under oath, and then he can get nailed with lying to Congress. And, even with that, there’s no telling what this Congress will do. After eight years of denigrating PBO because he had no experience–despite being both a State and US Senator–the frigging hypocrites of Congress are now excusing trump’s obstruction of justice as his lack of experience. Just blows my mind! We need to keep reminding Congress critters that ignorance of the law is no excuse! And, that it’s NOT okay if you’re a repubican!

glenn

7 days ago
cl, not uninterested, its just too messy. Prefer POV!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
glenn – my money is entirely on Mueller and the Intel community. Congress until we take it back will do NOTHING.

choicelady

7 days ago
my old promo’s of Palin-Bachmann would have been much better than what we got now

Harleigh

7 days ago
ANyone want a god belly laugh? Sarah Huckabee: ”The president is not a liar'”

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
All – did you hear that while the hearing went on yesterday, McConnell was bidding in secret to pass the HOUSE version of health care obliteration. Say they have 50 votes for it. That’s how slimy they are.

choicelady

7 days ago
Murph!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – Ms. Huckabee is a liar, so there’s that.

choicelady

7 days ago
Hey Murph!

choicelady

7 days ago
dolt45 is just a distraction.

Harleigh

7 days ago
So if a liar denies that someone is a liar, then it’s true, isn’t it?

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
CL–yes, the nohealthcare bill. Also, they are voting to take away a lot of protections from Dodd-Frank.

glenn

7 days ago
Hello gang…I see ad lib is AWOL….undoubtedly in mourning since the Trump Presidency went on life support this week.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
PPO–Is that like a double negative?

glenn

7 days ago
Hey Murph!

glenn

7 days ago
PPO – I seriously don’t think a double negative EVER makes a positive.

choicelady

7 days ago
glenn IMO!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
hi murph

Harleigh

7 days ago
Hi to Choice, glenn, Harleigh, PPO, and Beatle

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
no, it don’t. LOL

Harleigh

7 days ago
Murph – his announcement at the top was that he was scouting prison space for the Yam Man. I vote for Pelican Bay here in CA and the SHU at that.

choicelady

7 days ago
Murph, Ad is busy preparing a room at the Grey Bar Hotel for Dolt45

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
CL…YamMan! Luv it. Trumpty Dumpty is about to have his great fall …..

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph–I wish trump’s presidency was on life support. The blowhard republicans in Congress will blow hot air at it for a long time. While we are preoccupied with trump’s nonsense, they are, as CL points out, ramming all these bills through Congress.

glenn

7 days ago
well back to my game folks… hope next week is better and I get a new job. LOL

Harleigh

7 days ago
later

Harleigh

7 days ago
‘Nite Harleigh. Hope your team wins!

glenn

7 days ago
Stealth screwing of the AMerican People. Now the norm at the GOP

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Good night and good luck, Harleigh – both on the game AND the job! Good to see you!

choicelady

7 days ago
Harleigh….is it something I said”

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – Harleigh is heavily into the NBA game tonight. It’s not you.

choicelady

7 days ago
Murph Second half of the NBA final for H!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO–Yeah, they have to do it in stealth. If they do it in the fresh air and sunshine, then they get all kinds of pushback from the American people. That’s one of the reasons they like trump so much; he gives them cover.

glenn

7 days ago
CL…but as a disciple of Trump….everything must be about me!

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
PPO…and I am less important! SOCIOPATHY has it allures…ask the Donald.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
PPO – next McConnell is gloating about all the judicial spots they will fill. I seriously don’t think DT has any candidates.

choicelady

7 days ago
Murph–don’t feel bad. You know we worship your turnips!

glenn

7 days ago
Murph – you’re barking up the wrong tree tyring to make us think you’re a disciple of #45.

choicelady

7 days ago
Glenn….how nice……….HEY! Wait a minute….

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
glenn – LOL!!!

choicelady

7 days ago
CL…..how do you know I have not been brain washed and dry in the Show Me State?

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Murph – if you weren’t last we talked, the likelihood is extremely low given how utterly awful the man has proven himself to be.

choicelady

7 days ago
CL–yeah that’s the other scary thing about this presidiocy. Don’t worry, Bannon or one of the other right wingers will come up with names for trump. Scary!

glenn

7 days ago
All – I seriously think given his plunging ratings, DT is destroying the GOP for a generation.

choicelady

7 days ago
Murph–

glenn

7 days ago
CL….ok I confess….I am a secret disciple on a deep cover mission.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
glenn – perhaps, but Bannon et al don’t actually travel in those scenes.

choicelady

7 days ago
Murph – THAT I can believe. GO FOR IT. Uncover the dark for us!

choicelady

7 days ago
Is anyone worried like me about the sanctions on Qatar, given the biggest US Base in the ME is there?

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
CL–that’s the problem–the scenes in which Bannon and his minions do travel. They’ll come up with names, I”m sure.

glenn

7 days ago
Murph – there will always be room at the Gray Bar Inn for followers of the idiot in the white house.

choicelady

7 days ago
CL I have been accused by folks around here of being a Clinton surrogate……about the worst insult that can be thrown here…unless you are someone like me who is proud to be so associated.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
PPO – yes. I think the chaos in the ME and world is the MOST dangerous part of Trump’s admin. Scary stuff!

choicelady

7 days ago
Murph–I’m with CL. As a farmer, you’re good at digging in the dirt, so go for it!

glenn

7 days ago
Murph – well when the good folks of your area lose their health care, you will become a god.

choicelady

7 days ago
Glenn…in case you miss my response to CL….CL I have been accused by folks around here of being a Clinton surrogate……about the worst insult that can be thrown here…unless you are someone like me who is proud to be so associated.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph–OMG–a Clinton surrogate! The horrors! Here in GA, in the neighboring district, where Ossoff is running, they are associating him with Pelosi! And people from San Francisco, since a lot of his donations have come from SF! Too funny to see the ads pop up on my computer!

glenn

7 days ago
I know the Trump cult will hang onto his every fiber, but his overall ratings are horrific.

choicelady

7 days ago
Glenn….I became a contributor to Ossoff this week and I have volunteered for the on line phone bank in the GOTV effort for him.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
glenn – I know that the specter of Pelosi does poorly in some areas, but she has always been on the side of working families, those in need, basic justice. People get that even in GA!

choicelady

7 days ago
BTW I watch Al Jazeera daily, and have never seen any article promoting extremism. PapayaPuss better watch it, or they’ll tell him to take his base and shove it. Notice, Ally Saudi Arabia does not allow American troops on its soil? Funny that

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
CL–I’m waiting for trump’s ratings to get low enough for repubs to throw him under the bus! And run over him a couple of times!

glenn

7 days ago
CL…I deeply admire Nancy.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
glenn – I really hope that’s soon! Read today they dropped after comey. Not sure that’s accurate.

choicelady

7 days ago
Murph – I do, too.

choicelady

7 days ago
Murph, Work your Assoff for OSSOFF

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – Now THAT is a SLOGAN!!

choicelady

7 days ago
Thank ‘ee kindly!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO….Paypaya Puss….ROTHLMAO….I rarely use this and you got me to type…..good Lawd Man!

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
I also have donated to Ossoff right from the start!

choicelady

7 days ago
PPO…..Work your ass off for OSSOFF…and we have another winner.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
CL…I am late to the game. But working to catch up.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
CL–yes, I think people do get that. And Ossoff is trying very hard to run as a moderate. Early voting has already begun, and the polls are showing him with a slight lead. Of course, now the repubs are throwing money at Handel like crazy. However, in their debate the other night, Handel actually said, “I don’t believe in a living wage.” And Ossoff is going after her for that! As well he should!

glenn

7 days ago
Murph – you can’t be everywhere!

choicelady

7 days ago
glenn – I heard he led by 7 points which is GREAT. I worry about hacking and fraud on election day, but with ANY luck and good oversight by Dems, he well may win!

choicelady

7 days ago
take yur time, murph. We’re all in and out today, like me now. I don’t drink coffee near my keyboard. One bitten…. BRB

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Handel is a total turkey.

choicelady

7 days ago
Glenn…Handel is a true believer and when words like that pass their lips they think they will be embraced by all seeking enlightenment.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
PPO….my laptop is on a rolling table and when I want to drink….I push it two feet away from me.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – that shows skill in problem solving. Good on you.

choicelady

7 days ago
CL….Thank ya kindly….friend.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Still have a little less than two weeks to go, but I sure hope Ossoff manages a win. I think he’s run a good campaign, and has tried to stay away from negativity, and is running on what he will do; not negatives against Handel. Here’s hoping it works!

glenn

7 days ago
Glenn…class! Good for Ossoff.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph–Love your problem solving skills!

glenn

7 days ago
Glenn….very much appreciated.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph–exactly–regarding Ossoff!

glenn

7 days ago
Just checked the power outage map – 1000 homes down. Mine is NOT one of them!

choicelady

7 days ago
CL…what outage?

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
CL–Wow! You lucked out! What would we have done tonight without you to lead us?

glenn

7 days ago
While we were talking a transfomer blew knocking me off the power for a couple of minutes, but downtown just west of me is OUT. I am back.

choicelady

7 days ago
glenn – you’d have carried right on is what. Seriously don’t need me except to say hello and good bye!

choicelady

7 days ago
CL….our outdate grid.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Time for me to call it a night, folks. I hope you all have a wonderful weekend, and I’ll “see” you next week. As always, enjoyed our chat!

glenn

7 days ago
Ours is very good for the most part. It was mostly unnerving due to the huge explosion, but power here came right back on. Downtown is the oldest section I think, so yeah – they are waiting for repairs.

choicelady

7 days ago
Good night Glenn….be well…and I am thinking of ALL you Dems in Georgia!

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Good night glenn – have a wonderful week, And keep your eye on Congress for policy and Mueller for justice. Fight the first, root for the second.

choicelady

7 days ago
Thanks for your support, Murph!

glenn

7 days ago
Good luck with the vote!

choicelady

7 days ago
CL….got it but in my neck of the woods a small problem tends to roll down hill getting worse as it goes.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – rural areas in general do less well than urban ones. Sorry about that!

choicelady

7 days ago
I do have to laugh – our utility power outage web site tells you to report an outage. If you’re wired, how could you do that? Only laptops would work if the battery is charged.

choicelady

7 days ago
CL…and in this state the urban areas tend to be democratic which means the GOP state government does not give a damn for the well being of those cities.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
CL…bureaucratic logic.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – that’s for sure. It’s the reverse here, and it sucks. Dems need better rural and mountain policies.

choicelady

7 days ago
back again. Sorry, Fergie is getting through pneumonia, so I’m in and out,

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – that’s AWFUL, I’m so sorry. How is it going? I hope Fergie’s on the mend.

choicelady

7 days ago
PPO…our best to Fergie….you are such a trooper my friend….I feel so honored to know you (and beatle and choice and all the rest who wander these virtual halls)

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – WE are honored to know YOU. You seriously change things for the good. Not always honored for that, but you still do it.

choicelady

7 days ago
What is wrong with America? There is always some crisis going on (real or imagined) for decades now.It is always a pitched battle.We do not see that in the rest of the western world by comparison.

Beatlex

7 days ago
CL….thanks.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Thanks for the props Murph et al. She’s a real trouper. Has been hit with so many things, but we’re muddling along. I echo cls sentiments and yours. We have a wonderful circle of real friends here, cherished by me anyway!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Beatle….interesting observation….I wonder if it is our media culture, or our government form that does not allow for adaptability with ease, or our size and diversity….

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Beatlex – I think if you look at the post 2007 collapse and economic austerity, you’ll see that EU is in crisis as we have been. This has been going on since 1963 and the JFK assassination. I think it was a game changer that geared up the Right big time especially when Goldwater lost. The same is NOT true in Canada to the degree it is here, but you had Harper who did a lot of what Trump is trying now.

choicelady

7 days ago
PPO…..right back atcha. I really look forward to Friday nights because it is a far friendlier bar than the one I go to.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
CL….great set of insights!

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Beatlex – I think the DEEP roots lie in our history of slavery and the fight for equality. the Civil Rights movement came about the time post war boom began to slow. It cascaded with Reaqan who made race the main issue in declaring white people were losing out to POC. It’s nasty and this is its last gasp.

choicelady

7 days ago
Australia has a population of 22 million – just about the same number as will lose benefits if ACA is repealed- and we still have problems, crises, corruption trials, the lot. Now, multiply that by about 300 and it’s no surprise that the USA staggers from one crisis to another.

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
choicelady,I agree up to your statement that Harper is like Trump.Not even close.Harper is and was a politician.Trump is insane,and in no way is a idealogue

Beatlex

7 days ago
PPO – so we;re too big for out boots? Could be! Globally this is a fight between colonial entitlement and equality.

choicelady

7 days ago
If you all have not seen Bill Maher (Real Time) tonight … tune it in… very powerful conversation throughout about race….

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph! Have it recorded!

Beatlex

7 days ago
Beatlex – Harper still undid things in a dangerous way. He tried to destroy scientific data – and alt sites sprang up to save it. YOU all were the inspiration that way for our civil service fight against Trump. I’d say it was a massive difference in DEGREE but not necessarily in kind. I do agree Harper had knowledge of gov’t and Trump has ZERO which makes it all that much worse.

choicelady

7 days ago
The best conversation on this that I have heard in a long time – emerging from last week’s major screw up by Bill trying to be cute.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Sorry, folks, I’m going to have to go early. I’ve to put on my famous beef stew for our next 3 days!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO…the very best to you and your better half!?

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Bye Oz…take care

Beatlex

7 days ago
PPO – may we come down and share? I’ll bring wine!

choicelady

7 days ago
Have a great remains of the day PPO and good health to Fergie.

choicelady

7 days ago
CL…we could book a charter jet! I will call Donnie!

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Thanks murph and all. See you next week I’ll give you the recipe and make it yourselves!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Murph – because we’re donnie’s fave people? Sure.

choicelady

7 days ago
PPO – YUM!!!

choicelady

7 days ago
Murph, hasn’t he a spare 757 lying around? Come on Down (Under)!

pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
CL….oh, come on….Donnie is a live and let live kind of cat for us who really know and love him. (I am about to get sick….those words are like puke)

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
PPO…I would love to visit Australia…likely will never get the chance but it is on my bucket list.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Beaatlex – I think the best minds in two nations say that the eternal crisis of the USA lies in its racial divides. You don’t have a legacy of slavery and the guilt that comes with it – or the fear and loathing. I taught at the U. College of Cape Breton with students from all kinds of backgrounds who were utterly comfortable with one another as US students often are not. It was pretty damned impressive.

choicelady

7 days ago
Choicelady,please do not assume you know what I stand for.You objectify me by saying “YOU” blah blah.you missed my meaning

Beatlex

7 days ago
That was a collective YOU. English doens’t have a plural second person.

choicelady

7 days ago
You know what i am getting at? Harper is sane,Trump no choicelady!LOL

Beatlex

7 days ago
Sorry Beatlex – it seriously wasn’t about you as a person but Canada as a nation. Temporary problems youze (my Pittsburgh steelworker plural) have don’t remotely match the chaos that exists here.

choicelady

7 days ago
I sure won’t dispute that Harper/Trump differentiation. We ALL agree.

choicelady

7 days ago
Alexis de Tocqueville is most remembered for trying to get at the American character both good and bad…you guys are exploring that tonight….tough.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Lets get by that ! CL.Crazy times in America? Hey

Beatlex

7 days ago
Murph – and there are major changes since he wrote in the 1830s.

choicelady

7 days ago
CL…oh yes….but he spoke of the impact of immigration, cultural division, and geography in ways that historians regard as ground breaking.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Beatlex – I think the first sign of total American insanity was Reagan’s Sec’y of the Interior who testified in his confirmation that there was NO NEED to save natural resources since the End Times were near. And he was confirmed anyway.

choicelady

7 days ago
Murph – absolutely. It’s a marvelous work.

choicelady

7 days ago
AHH! Choicelady! I posit that (civilization) is a failure

Beatlex

7 days ago
CL and Beatle…..I am such a fan of the Parliamentary system (in its many forms)…as it allows for nations to undo the choosing of a madman in ways that preserve the integrity of government and the common welfare.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Beatlex – I am sorry I dont’ know this. Did Canada go through a post WW II “Red Scare” as we did?

choicelady

7 days ago
Murph – there is much to be said for that.

choicelady

7 days ago
Did not work in Weimar Germany however.

choicelady

7 days ago
Well, Beatle and Choice…I must say adieu – early mornings are my part and parcel.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Choice…thanks for taking up the mantle of moderatorship tonight!

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – that’s the life of a farmer. Good night and be well. Come back to the friendly bar next week!

choicelady

7 days ago
Happy to be here!

choicelady

7 days ago
G’night!

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Of course CL,as our Prime Minister at the time Pierre Elliot Trudeau said of America”It is like sleeping next to an Elephant”

Beatlex

7 days ago
G;night!

choicelady

7 days ago
Beatle! What a fantastic quote and now his son heads the helm! A fellow I rather like….and admire…do you?

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Beatlex – LOL – I remember his saying that but not actually understanding it since elephants aren’t actually very dangerous relative to other animals.

choicelady

7 days ago
If I had the power to resettle my life….it would be as a Canadian.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – likewise. I am scouting homes just in case.

choicelady

7 days ago
Murph,He is very green and shallow I am sorry to say.As I am left leaning

Beatlex

7 days ago
Beatlex – sorry to hear that. Our understanding of him is pretty thin mediated by US media.

choicelady

7 days ago
Beatle….perhaps you can keep us informed……hard to get to that from here.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
I used to live in Buffalo so listened to Canadaian news, read Tornoto papers. Miss that a LOT.

choicelady

7 days ago
Well…this time I really must say goodbye for real…….I will regret it if I do not.

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Good night, Murph. Hope to see you next week.

choicelady

7 days ago
Night Murph!

Beatlex

7 days ago
You want to carry on or pick up next Friday?

choicelady

7 days ago
You will!

MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
LOL!

choicelady

7 days ago
Beatlex are you there?

choicelady

7 days ago
My belief: That Trump was made possible by the overt racism Barack Obama was subjected to from day 1.Through his whole Presidency.It gave permission to an ugly extreme of America to grow and fester.Think about it

Beatlex

7 days ago
Of course we agree on this. It’s the legacy I mentioned above, and it is THE most pernicious aspect of American history and politics. Trump voters very clearly were voting RACE. Not even economics since data show that HRC mostly got WWC but it is the stratum slightly to hugely ABOVE that who voted Trump. They SAY race is the issue even though she is white. They think they’re being left out which is clearly not accurate, but race is a powerful mythology that is not easy to change. I think you are spot on.

choicelady

7 days ago
Scary times CL. I think that Trump will not survive 4 years.But then what? It is impossible to say

Beatlex

7 days ago
Where is fair oaks CL?

Beatlex

7 days ago
i know. We are deeply worried because Pence is actually worse in some ways. He has the veneer of competent government experience. His racism is to the bone but he adds in religious extremism of the WORST kind, and… Our hope is that he, Ryan and McConnell will all be swept into the investigation of the money trail w Russia.

choicelady

7 days ago
I am actually in Sacramento, capital of CA. I guess my server is in Fair Oaks, a suburb just east of here.

choicelady

7 days ago
Pence will be a victim of the Trump reign IMO CL

Beatlex

7 days ago
I HOPE SO!!!

choicelady

7 days ago
BUT! President Ryan!!!

Beatlex

7 days ago
But the constitutional succession leaves Ryan and McConnell and that is just as awful. We HAVE to take back Congress and throw these people OUT.

choicelady

7 days ago
That is the only way

Beatlex

7 days ago
I have real hope that we will take the House and Senate and do away with the 2/3 majority for passing things in the Senate. The GOP did that!

choicelady

7 days ago
Good night all – we’ve all had a great conversation and hope others will join us next week.

choicelady

7 days ago
Oh – you’re back!!! Sorry – thought you’d left.

choicelady

7 days ago
No,hit the wrong key!

Beatlex

7 days ago
LOL – that’s perfectly OK – do it all the time.

choicelady

7 days ago

Beatlex

7 days ago
Always good!

choicelady

7 days ago
Doom and gloom full time is bad!

Beatlex

7 days ago
totally agree. One has to find the joy to keep on the fight. Thanks for a wonderful McCartney tune!

choicelady

7 days ago
There was a program on PBS about the making of SGT Peppers by the Beatles 50 years after it was issued,very interesting.It was a master recording

Beatlex

7 days ago
Glad you saw it – I missed it. I can’t believe it was FIFTY years ago!

choicelady

7 days ago
Check their website DUH! LOL kidding

Beatlex

7 days ago
I once lived briefly next to the Abbey Road studio at the famous crossing. Every single night we’d hear wailing of fans mourning both Lennon and the breakup. It was powerful that the devotion had endured for at that point 30 years with even a new generation weighing in. Says a lot about their talent.

choicelady

7 days ago
What is your fire hazzard this year CL?

Beatlex

7 days ago
Probablly high with 30% MORE than normal rain. Means all th brush is high and thick. Very worrisome.

choicelady

7 days ago
In Sacramento we do get fires in the brush around the city, but the biggest problem is dense smoke from large fires many miles away. Can be seriously dangerous to those with lung problems.

choicelady

7 days ago
We are getting weirder weather every year,IE.Lilacs blooming a month early.Never happened before CL

Beatlex

7 days ago
That sort of thing is scary. Heard the 17-year locusts are out 3 years early. It’s just going to be very uncertain for us all.

choicelady

7 days ago
I There is story after story,if one bothers to find out.But most want to focus on bullshit

Beatlex

7 days ago
In CA these global change issues are very central to our public discussions and policy. We live on the edge in an arid climate and iffy water resources. We can’t focus on the Kardashians.

choicelady

7 days ago
Earlier this week Governor Brown made alliance with China on upholding the Paris accords. With CA doing it, it can help since we are HUGE polluters if we regress.

choicelady

7 days ago
This is true CL.You know how everyone is after the Alberta’s so called :Tar Sands”? First of all,tar is a man made product,it is actually called bitumen.You may be surprised to know that it is California Oil interests that are behind this dis information campaign.California has the same methods of extraction that Alberta uses,and one that Alberta doesn’t fracking.Google it

Beatlex

7 days ago
I’m aware of it. Big concern on many levels here. We fight the oil interests on it. It’s our responsibility.

choicelady

7 days ago
Why don’t we see Hollywood celebrities up there complaining like they come up here and do flyovers? Follow the money

Beatlex

7 days ago
Part of the concern involves transport. Pipelines are dangerous but so are trains, and the ones carrying it now to our refineries in Richmond, north of San Francisco. come a block from my house. We are all aware of the horrible explosion in Quebec and don’t wish to experience it. So we fight on many levels.

choicelady

7 days ago
Not sure why not. You’d think after NoDAP that would be a concern. Some are working on ending fracking here in CA, but I can’t answer that question.

choicelady

7 days ago
That is my point CL.We in Alberta have been the target of dis information.We do produce oil,but it is on a much smaller scale worldwide,and with a smaller footprint than is perceived

Beatlex

7 days ago
I would agree – I did not know that. I do see the disparities between Canada and the US in volume. It’s on us.

choicelady

7 days ago
I think I’m going to shut down if you dont’ mind. We usually end these days much earlier than we did. Will you come back next Friday so we can talk more? I’m pooping out after a long day.

choicelady

7 days ago
It is a PR war right now CL.Let us hope that we can,as a specie,change the course,Goodnight! Nice “talking to you”!

Beatlex

7 days ago
i so hope you’re correct! Good night, Beatlex – good discussion!!! See you next week I hope. Have a good weekend.

choicelady

7 days ago
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