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AdLib On November - 11 - 2016
Vox Populi, our weekly live chat on the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST. So much to discuss, hope to see you here.
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey Murph!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hi there…here is an excerpt from the report that kicked off the heated discussion today: Some 88% of black voters supported Clinton, versus 8% for Trump, who said repeatedly that black communities are in the worst shape ever. While that’s a large margin, it’s not as big as President Barack Obama’s victory over Mitt Romney in 2012. Obama locked up 93% of the black vote to Romney’s 7%. Clinton’s hold over Latinos was even more tenuous, despite Trump accusing undocumented immigrants of being criminal aliens and promising to deport them. Only 65% of Latinos supported her, while 29% cast their votes for Trump. In 2012, Obama won 71% of the Hispanic vote, while Romney secured 27%. Clinton also failed to capture as many young voters, who flocked to her rival Bernie Sanders in the primary and to Obama four years ago. She won 54% of voters age 18 to 29, compared to 37% who cast ballots for Trump. But Obama secured 60% of these young voters to Romney’s 37%. AND….The raw numbers seem to be little changed for the GOP but for the Dems they were down in every category.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Hey PPO!
AdLib 7 days ago
The meeting was majority Hispanic and Black.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Sick, sad, mad – you name it! GOTV didn’t work!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Well may Lady Liberty hold her hands to her face
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Murph – That report omits an enormous factor, white conservative Dems in MI, WI and PA who voted for Obama but went for Trump.
AdLib 7 days ago
There was a lot of honesty in that room about failed strategies in their communities and a sense of hopelessness about how to motivate under 50, urban, and generally poor voters….especially male voters….I mostly listened.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph, I can’t get my head around the fact that Labor Union men voted for an arch-Conservative. Can someone please explain?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Murph – Apathy was widespread this year as was negativity towards Hillary. It wasn’t just one race or demographic.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad…..that is a reality as well but this meeting called by African American and Hispanic community leaders with party leaders
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Ad…and Dems do not seem to know what the GOP does….Apathy costs and it costs big….2010, 2014, 2016
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Medical People at two clinics and a hospital. A note to all staff from the corporation running all three. In response to inquiry about the Trump promise to repeal ACA: “Clearly the future of health care insurance is now very much up in the air. It is possible that many of our patients may be unable to continue their care at XXXXX if the subsidies provided to them are no longer available. It is possible that there may need to be a significant reduction in force if this were to occur. We counsel our employees to budget with this in mind.”
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
A discussion with the insurance agency with which I work. Key quote: “Since the plan on the campaign website and the plan passed by House of Representatives offered as replacements for ACA do not provide for any replacement of subsidies in a marketplace, I am advising my clients who have insurance through the marketplace to look at their options.”
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – I understand. Just saying that they aren’t alone on apathy.
AdLib 7 days ago
Unless McConnell kills the filibuster, Trump and Repubs can cut subsidies but they can’t get rid of the guarantee of insurance for pre-existing conditions. The insurance companies would lose enormous amounts of money, rates for all would skyrocket and maybe even some companies would go out of business. They need subsidies to continue.
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey Kes!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
I’m going to write an article about the impossible situation the Repubs are in now. When they couldn’t pass the repeal of the ACA, they were in hog heaven. They could excite their voters by voting repeal yet not have to figure out what came next. Now, they would kick 22 million Americans off health care yet force insurance companies to lose billions. WHoops! Maybe they can’t do it when it comes down to it without whipping up hatred for them in 2018 and 2020?
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey Vox’ers.I can’t believe he won! What does the autopsy say?
Beatlex

7 days ago
Hey Kes!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hi Beatlex!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey, PPO! And friends!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Latest is that Trump has backed off repealing ALL Obamacare and keeping the good bits. Sounds like a Broken Promise to me!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Needless to say, working the polls last Tuesday was… what would be the word?…Historic. (Or maybe hysterical?)
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes, Apocalyptic!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Cataclysmic? (Catatonic?)
kesmarn

7 days ago
Beatlex – In the end, there were many factors that allowed this to happen. Apathy, meddling by Russia and FBI, a status quo, uninspiring candidate in a change election year, lots of factors.
AdLib 7 days ago
Trumptastrophe?
AdLib 7 days ago
PPO – But will the RW Repubs go along with that? No way, they’ll block any repair of Obamacare.
AdLib 7 days ago
It was the Trumptanic! Michael Moore was one guy who accurately predicted this outcome months ago…and many of the reasons for it.
kesmarn

7 days ago
I am now doing a daily column at Yabberz called “PTSD: Post-Trumpatic Distress Syndrome” In its mast head I note: “Until Mr. Trump has earned the title, I will refrain from referring to his as President Trump, or The President, or Mr. President. While I respect the office, my complete lack of respect for him overshadows that historic sentiment. I am open to being surprised. I am also going to bring the same level of energy and purpose to my critique of him that opponents of President Barack H. Obama during his 8 years as our President.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Kes – You’re right, he was one of the few who predicted it but not sure if he really thought that or if it was a negative psychology thing because after the Access Hollywood tapes, he stopped saying that…until Comey stepped in to corrupt the election. Comey should be on trial for what he did.
AdLib 7 days ago
Murph – As the Maya Angelou quote goes, “When someone tells you who he is, believe him the first time.”
AdLib 7 days ago
Indeed
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Interesting little side note: there were two guys who came to the polls to vote wearing campaign gear. (One for Johnson, one for Trump.) Not legal in the voting area. When I asked them nicely to take the gear off they both developed selective deafness. It wasn’t until our 6’2″ poll manager who wieghs 220# told them to do it or they wouldn’t be allowed to vote that they finally complied. A window into the way they regard women? And do these people only act in a cooperative way when a large, young white male orders them to, compete with threats?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Trump showed us all who he is and the pundits, especially the slime like Chris Matthews who keep trying to push how good Trump can be, are already proven to be dishonest and exploitive. They have no principles. I hope all the news station ratings tank. Of course Fox won’t but hope CNN who promoted Trump and MSNBC who did as well, nosedive.
AdLib 7 days ago
I spent election day working for a voter protection project. I live in rural Mo. and have done so for 8 years. I have never seen turnout like I saw that day. And it was clear a Trump Wave
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
A Trumpnami, Murph?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
I’m with you there, AdLib. The MSM failed us very badly this time around. Especially cable news.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Ad….and then we have Moaning Joe Scarboy.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
kes, ALL media, pundits, pollsters Uncle Tom Cobbley and all got it wrong
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Same here with turnout, Murph. There are two (largely GOP) precincts at our location and turnout was about 75% Huge.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes – Very disappointing but I think you’re right. Bullies like that only understand bullying from others, they view reasonable, polite people as weak. And women are weak, you know? So men don’t need to listen to them. It’s disgusting but the bigots and misogynists are now emboldened and running rampant around America. Like they’ve been let out of the yard.
AdLib 7 days ago
Yes, PPO! Even Nate Silver!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Post-Trumpatic Stress Syndrome. The more I use the more it fits.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Exactly, AdLib. It was as though these guys felt empowered to simply walk right past a woman who was informing them of the law.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph, you should publish that one here on the Planet!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph – If we can zoom out a little and appreciate the normal ebb and flow of elections, it is very rare for voters not to want a “change” candidate after 8 years of any party in the WH. This was not abnormal. However, had Dems run a change type candidate like Bernie, perhaps they could have done better.
AdLib 7 days ago
I would be happy to cross post….I will see what I can do to expedite that with Ad.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – Absoolutely, you’re very welcome to do so!
AdLib 7 days ago
Kes – That kind of bullying is spreading across the country. That’s what not being politically correct like their hero Trump means, openly disrespecting and showing prejudice towards women and minorities. The modern day version of brownshirts.
AdLib 7 days ago
I am honestly at a loss for words,I have lots of ideas as to why it happened,but I would need a mini novel to explain it
Beatlex

7 days ago
There were quite a few polls that showed Bernie would have beaten Trump — even before the primaries were over with. Alas, water under the bridge now I’m afraid… Bernie still has his cred and his influence totally intact though (except with a small minority who resent his endorsement of HRC), and that’s a good thing.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Ad….I regard this moment in our history as outside the normal cycle and patterns given that the worst candidate in the history of presidential politics has won and that he represents a bizarre coalition of right wing forces apparently hoping to overturn the republic.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
BRB Coffee break!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
We are going to find out in due time what effect this will have,but I don’t see it being good
Beatlex

7 days ago
Murph – Agreed but it was a perfect storm. One factor, and it was only one of many, was that Hillary was so disliked, her candidacy actually exempted her from consideration.
AdLib 7 days ago
Yes — on the modern day brown shirts. I’ve encountered a few alt right people and they actually find it amusing and hilarious when their words produce a reaction of shock and outrage. They laugh about how easy it is to make progressives “blow up.”
kesmarn

7 days ago
Bernie looks better in polls because he was not the target for Trump….Sanders would have been ripped as a socialist/communist, radical anarchist, member of Jewish International Conspiracy, ally of the Clintons, from Vermont (is that really a state)….the table was set to reject any Dem for whatever reason.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Hillary and her e-mail,that dogged her all along.The electorate had it baked in
Beatlex

7 days ago
Oh, it definitely wouldn’t have been smooth sailing for Bernie either, Murph. But his tremendous consistency of message over the years made him stronger in the integrity department I think.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes – It’s becoming rampant, racism and prejudice done for shock value so they can laugh at the reaction. Reality tv gone mad, they get their kicks from outraging and verbally assaulting people. I can imagine that one possible scenario for the Trump era is a return to the kind of societal violence and conflict between races we saw in the 1960s.
AdLib 7 days ago
Kes….yes, he would be pictured as a mouthy pipsqueek who talks and talks and talks and never does a damn thing.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
That is, white nationalists and minorities, not minority races against each other.
AdLib 7 days ago
I guess that America has forgiven a moral pig before.But Trump took it to a new level.People did’n’t care.Even women .Hillary under performed with everyone
Beatlex

7 days ago
Murph – It’s all theoretical, we don’t know that Trump’s BS would have worked against a man people liked listening to. We don’t know either way but I personally think it would have been harder to make it stick on Bernie as Hillary’s poor judgement made Trump’s exaggerated charges stick to her.
AdLib 7 days ago
Right, AdLib. There’s been a sort of green light given to speak whatever offensive thought happens to occur — and then claim your 1st amendment rights to defend it. (Occasionally 2nd amendment ones too.)
kesmarn

7 days ago
Beatlex, isn’t it amazing that women and Latinos voted for him at all? What were they thinking?
kesmarn

7 days ago
The day after Hillary “won” her losing would have begun- subpoenas, witchhunts, threats of appeasement, obstruction in Congress….a failed presidency from the start. I think she is better off as the also ran who had the higher popular vote.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
They would have crucified her.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph – As opposed to Trump who only talks and lies about all he’s done? It would have been more of an advantage for Bernie then the deficit it was for Hillary.
AdLib 7 days ago
I always suspected that Bernie was the one person Trump actually feared.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Ad….the people who voted for Trump wanted to vote for Trump no matter what anyone said….and he would make the case for hanging Bernie….when you hold a conclusion as sacrosanct and filter out anything that runs contrary to that conclusion anyone on the opposing side can be made into a horrific villian.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Living in trumpland..I know the power of the man’s message with those who wanted to believe it.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Hillary had to much baggage,and people wanted change.Bernie would have done better IMO
Beatlex

7 days ago
My proposition is that the morons who voted for Trump voted with their feelings, not with their brains. That’s the only way to have voted for Trump, as a rube who believed his con job because it “felt” like what they wanted too believe. Sorry but half of America are idiots who think with their feelings.
AdLib 7 days ago
Beatle…with all due respect….I think that Trump knows how to work the lowest common denominator and he animated them….I know he would have villianized Bernie very effectively.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Here in the rustbelt, there actually were some folks who went from supporting Bernie to (bitterly) voting for Trump. They were so fed up and disillusioned, they just stopped caring. They just wanted to blow it all up. Not many — but some.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph – I do agree with that, the stonewalling and witchhunting would have dominated Hillary’s presidency, it would have been all about executive orders. She would even have been blocked on SCOTUS judges…as Dems should return the favor for Trump.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad,exactly,people took Trump at his word? Aproven liar
Beatlex

7 days ago
Murph – That’s not what polls showed, those rural white voters liked Bernie too. He would have gotten a bigger share of them.
AdLib 7 days ago
I believe that voting can take place at four levels: Brain (rational argument), Heart (affect/attraction), Gut (instinctual reaction) and Spleen (anger/hatred/fear) In this election Spleen won out.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Fear always seems to win
Beatlex

7 days ago
I need to see those polls….not at all true in my neck of the woods.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
I just have to wonder how Trump’s minions are going to react when there’s no Wall, no wholesale destruction of Obamacare, no re-opened coal mines, and when there is the (inevitable) next terrorist attack in America,
kesmarn

7 days ago
I heard he is lokking at hawks for his foreign policy guys,even Bolton! AAAAAh!
Beatlex

7 days ago
Bolton is a complete lunatic.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Kes..we will see….he can convert shitty to shimmering in the blink of an eye.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Yes kes,but….
Beatlex

7 days ago
It’s insane that one of the reasons people claimed to want Trump is that “Hillary is such a liar”. While Trump clearly lied more than her. They don’t care about reality, again, they are just driven by base emotions. Fear, anger, racism and jealousy.
AdLib 7 days ago
And the thought of Giuliani as AG is terrifying.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Bolton is being touted as the head of NSA…
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Murph – Using that definition, no question that brains were scarce in rural America and spleens were plentiful.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad…you are making my case..they don’t care about reality. Spleen people.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Trump has some court cases pending,maybe they can impeach the bastard
Beatlex

7 days ago
‘Bout time for mass splenectomies then.
kesmarn

7 days ago
beat, michael moore is betting he won’t last 4 years, that he’ll do something impeachable long before that. we can only pray, but to think Pense could then become…….Ugh!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Kes – I think Trump supporters will still love him even if he does nothing he promised because they’re emotional rubes. Only if they start suffering more will they turn on Trump, if they lose their insurance and their welfare/subsidies/SS/Medicare gat cut. But of course, then it’s too late.
AdLib 7 days ago
Tonight David Brooks (in a moment of dark humor) suggested Tiffany Trump for Chairman of the Fed.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph – Yep, agreed!
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad….yesterday at that bar I have mentioned several times here…two men who I know and are frequently there told me that I and “my friends” were lucky that Trump won because if the election was stolen from him it would have gone really bad for us, all of us.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
But Bernie appealed to spleens too!
AdLib 7 days ago
But also to brains and hearts.
kesmarn

7 days ago
It’s going to go bad for us anyway, Murph.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Beatlex – A Repub house would never impeach a Trump. He could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and they’d probably give him a medal.
AdLib 7 days ago
Kes, I think he was threatening violence….I live in gun country and I am armed too but not as heavily as many of “them” are.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
PPO – But how could Trump be impeached for anything with a Repub House? They’re the only oones whoo could impeach him and they never would no matter what happened.
AdLib 7 days ago
I don’t doubt it, Murph, but I also sense that even “winning” isn’t going to make these people less violent.
kesmarn

7 days ago
He is impeach-proff
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Ad, maybe DOJ can arest his sorry arse for Trump U?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – his lawyers are going to settle out of court for Trump U
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
If I was writing satire, I couldn’t come up with a more opposite group of cabinet nominees than is being floated. People whose views are exactly the opposite oof what their position duties would be? It’s like self-parody but it’s not funny.
AdLib 7 days ago
This might be the first use of a presidential executive pardon for a president to pardon himself.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Might also be a good time for President Obama to Pardon Hillary??
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Prevent any pursuit of that vindictive thread
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – Rudy Giuliani would be running the DoJ.
AdLib 7 days ago
PPO,,,I actually thought of that.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Ad, ooooooh Shit!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Murph – No doubt there would have been angry and maybe violent protests from TrumpTrolls had he lost. And meanwhile they’re dissing all those now in the streets protesting Trump. No surprise though, Trump and his trolls are all based on being hypocrites.
AdLib 7 days ago
That satire idea could be fun… Sarah Palin in charge of Dept. of Education?
kesmarn

7 days ago
Obama can’t pardon Hillary, it would be an admission that she broke the law. She doesn’t want to go down in history as proving Trump right.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad…yes but the threat was jarring…so was the silence in the rest of the room. I am considering my options now. I am probably closing down my coop. I have no trust left/
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Kes – It’s like I said about Trump as a campaigner. Take everything he says about Hillary but apply it to him and you’ll have the truth. The election is rigged? Yep, for Trump. Ask Putin, Comey and Assange about that.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad, didn’t Nixon get a GOOJF?
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Ford did pardon Nixon.
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph – I would take the threat seriously enough to keep away from such an extremist.
AdLib 7 days ago
I think I am surrounded by them.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Agree with Ad, Murph – tread carefully
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Comforting to know that freedom of speech is alive and well in MO. Sigh….
kesmarn

7 days ago
Dems controlled the House when Nixon was President. Had Repubs, he may not have had to worry about impeachment.
AdLib 7 days ago
Well, kids, I may have to call it a day. Wishing everyone a great weekend!
kesmarn

7 days ago
Murph – If Trump had lost, they might have gotten violent. Since he’s won, they’ve become emboldened. There was no good scenario once Trump unleashed hatred in the country to get what he wanted and there’s no putting that toothpaste back in the tube. I anticipate an increasing racial violence from whites towards minorities under Trump.
AdLib 7 days ago
Night Kes!
AdLib 7 days ago
Well, Like Kes, I am exhausted so I think I am off as well. Night all.
MurphTheSurf3

7 days ago
Now, under the BS of “not being politically correct”, bigotry and misogyny are ‘cool” to openly display. Our society is going to get much more troubling.
AdLib 7 days ago
Night Murph, get some rest!
AdLib 7 days ago
I think taht many oof those who didn’t vote, especially minorities, are going to become a lot more activist as they see what a Trump presidency brings to them and their community. It’s like George Wallace having won.
AdLib 7 days ago
There’s just a lot of finger pointing going on among some Dems right now, I suppose it’s part of the process of dealing with grief but I’ll be glad when it’s run its course.
AdLib 7 days ago
It is a crying shame is what it is.This will set progress back again.Or maybe he will blow up the system and force American’s to change their flawed system
Beatlex

7 days ago
Beatlex – Yep, I think it will primarily be going backwards into worse times. When you blow up something, it’s just destroyed, it doesn’t get better. Then you have to build it all over again. And in the meantime, it isn’t around to help anyone.
AdLib 7 days ago
I am still in shock ad,What is going to happen? what will he do?
Beatlex

7 days ago
I think he will create havoc in the end. He doesn’t know how to do anything that is for the benefit of others. We’re in for a lot of destruction, of social programs, society and possibly more war.
AdLib 7 days ago
Go to sign off. Sorry we’re in for a miserable time, but cheer up. We’re still here at the Planet! Cheers!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
PPO – We will survive.
AdLib 7 days ago
Good theme for the Music weekend!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
It will be expressing yourself!
AdLib 7 days ago
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