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AdLib On March - 18 - 2016
Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events begins tonight at 7:00pm PST! Hope to see you then!
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey Ad!
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
Hey KT!
AdLib 7 days ago
How are things your way?
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey Ad, Hey KT! Que pasa?
glenn

7 days ago
Hey glenn! Just watching Trump beat himself.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad–I never watch trump if I can help it; what is he doing to beat himself up?
glenn

7 days ago
glenn – Just cementing his horribleness. Lying, hating, insulting, he’s boosting his negatives over 60%, half of the GOP says they won’t vote for Trump, he’s winning the GOP nom and in doing soo, becoming tooo toxic to win in the GE.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad–is that really true that half of the gop won’t vote for trump? From what I’ve read, they all say even though he’s horrible, they’ll still vote for him because he’s “their” candidate.
glenn

7 days ago
And, of course, they won’t vote for Hillary or Bernie either.
glenn

7 days ago
But I am seeing all sorts of articles and pudnuts talking about how scared they are that he could win in the GE. Nope. His support can’t be shaken among the 45% of Repubs supporting him but with everyone else, he is hated. Even the GOP Estab is working on how to steal the nom from Trump at the convention.
AdLib 7 days ago
glenn – Yep, according to a poll this week, 50% of the GOP won’t vote for him.
AdLib 7 days ago
Some have said they could vote for Hillary.
AdLib 7 days ago
Okay, so looking ahead to the convention, do you think the gop will go for kasich or cruz?
glenn

7 days ago
I think they’d have to go for Cruz because Kasich isn’t likely to be anywhere close in delegates and if they gave it to him, the core GOP RW voters would walk.
AdLib 7 days ago
I like those polls. I saw an article that says Latinos are working to become citizens so they can vote. Hope all those repubs stay home.
glenn

7 days ago
Personally, I think cruz would be easier to beat than trump. What do you think?
glenn

7 days ago
Yes, saw that article too. There isn’t a better GOTV tool for Dems than Trump. And I do mean tool!
AdLib 7 days ago
You might be right, Cruz should be much easier to beat but Trump is a worse candidate than many realize. They talk about Dems and indies crossing over to vote for Trump but those “Dems” are racist and they sure didn’t vote for Obama.
AdLib 7 days ago
IMO, you can’t call yourself a Dem if you’re going to “cross over” to vote for trump. I see nothing in his “policy” that is Democratic, much less democratic.
glenn

7 days ago
And imagine how much more horribleness will come out of Trump when he’s running against Hillary or Bernie. Trump’s negatives haven’t peaked, he’s going to be so distasteful by Nov.
AdLib 7 days ago
sorry folks, got called away for a moment.
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
And neither have his supporters’ negatives have peaked. Ugh, they are nasty people.
glenn

7 days ago
oops…supporters’ negatives peaked.
glenn

7 days ago
KT–how are you?
glenn

7 days ago
glenn – Exactly, I don’t consider such people honest about being Dems. Maybe they’re 1960 Dems who were pro-racism but anyone who woould vote for Trump has no principles and didn’t likely vote for Obama.
AdLib 7 days ago
He might go the other way, Ad. The last debate, showed a more subdued Trump. I think he’s trying to appear presidential now.
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
Hey glenn. Doing well, and you?
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
KT–yeah, right. Trying to appear presidential by calling for a boycott on a reporter. Now, I’m not a fan of Megyn Kelly or fox news, but for someone running for president to call for a boycott of a reporter who only repeated his words back to him, is not “trying to be presidential.” Or maybe president of Russia, like putin.
glenn

7 days ago
glenn – Just finished watching Maddow, she laid out how Trump may be denied the nom at the GOP convention even if he has enough delegates…because the people who become those delegates would be Romney drones who would vote for Cruz.
AdLib 7 days ago
Well, I said “trying.” He can’t actually do it.
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
i heard her say pretty much that the other day. I think she’s right, they really hate Trump. They know he could actually doome their party.
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
KT – Nope, he won’t be able to because his supporters NEED him to be awful towards Hillary. He will go terribly negative (he already has against Hillary). He can’t run on issues because he has no real stands and can’t just cruise through a debate the way he could with fellow Repubs.
AdLib 7 days ago
I think it’s funny, that at the last dem debate Hillary made a comment that was obviously directed at Trump, though she didn’t use his name. She basically said she wasn’t going to fall for that reality TV show crap. She won’t either. I think she probably has many IQ points more than he does.
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
And don’t forget, by refusing to debate this week, Trump just hit Fox News where they live, losing millions in ad revenue. Fox hates him, the GOP establishment and half of GOP voters dislike him. Trump will be buried in a GE because his schtick only works with the GOP base, it will only push more people away in the rest of America.
AdLib 7 days ago
Oh I absolutely believe that he cannot win a general. He’s just a big fish in a small pond, right now.
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
KT – Hillary does stumble a lot in her campaigns, when Trump went after Bill, she went silent about Trump being misogynist. So he can hurt her but in a debate? I think he would go so low to attack her, he will force more and more disgusted women to vote Hillary.
AdLib 7 days ago
KT–I hate to tell the repubs (well, not really), but trump has already doomed their party. Read an article by Leonard Pitts the other day, and his question is, what about after trump? Because, in a way, there will be no “after trump”. The repubs can’t erase him, nor his supporters. If he is denied the nomination, they are going to be even angrier than they are now. If he gets the nomination and loses the GE, then who knows what they’ll do? They certainly aren’t going to go away peacefully unless the repub party repeatedly and forcefully tells them that what they want is NEVER going to happen here in the US!
glenn

7 days ago
KT – A big racist, violence inciting, lying fish that is.
AdLib 7 days ago
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
KT – Agreed, the GOP blows up whether Trump is the nom or denied the nom. I do hope they deny him the nom though, the party will splinter immediately and the motivated core will sit out the election.
AdLib 7 days ago
KT–love it! But I still like the urinal one better!
glenn

7 days ago
KT!
AdLib 7 days ago
Trump the Blowfish!
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
I didn’t know blowfish were racist!
AdLib 7 days ago
Oh hell yeah! big time racists.
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
Ad–only 45% of 50% of them!
glenn

7 days ago
A pundit proposed that the GOP convention will be insane, with big protests by Republicans and anti-Trump groups including BLM. It could be like the Dem convention in 1968!
AdLib 7 days ago
glenn – Right! That shouldn’t hurt the GOP, to split in half.
AdLib 7 days ago
Hillary seems to be stumbling a lot lately. I think sometimes her poll numbers go to her head also, and she begins to make things up. That’s when she gets in trouble. If she would just stick to the issues, her take on the issues, then I think she does okay. Not that I agree with her on everything, but she does seem to self-aggrandize a bit too much for my taste.
glenn

7 days ago
Ad–I have no doubt that the gop convention is going to be insane. After all, there are no sane people left in the repub party.
glenn

7 days ago
glenn – I think her amazing performance at the Benghazi hearings underlined that when she is on the defense, she seems to be strongest. When she’s feeling confident in an election, she’s capable of saying and doing all kinds of problematic things.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ah Cleveland! The Mistake on the Lake!
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
glenn – Yes, which is why I’m rooting for a contested convention for the GOP. We’ve seen that when Repubs turn on themselves, it’s like wolves eating their young. And Dems should use that chaos in ads to say, “Do you want the country to be run like the GOP Convention? Vote Dem!”
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad–exactly. People keep saying she would walk all over trump in a head to head debate, but I think she can get just as easily off topic as he does. As you say, when she is pushed against the ropes, is when she is her best, so maybe I’m wrong, but she has a lot of gaffes herself.
glenn

7 days ago
KT – Beautiful downtown Cleveland marred by violent protests…how would anyone notice?
AdLib 7 days ago
i disagree glenn. Hillary sat for 11 hours, being grilled by a senate investigating committee, and at the end of it, she came out smiling. She’s tough enough for Trump.
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
Ad–as I keep saying, not only can Dems point to their insane convention (if it turns out to be that way), but more importantly, point to the repub led states, where education funds have been cut to the bone; people have no health insurance; the infrastructure is falling apart; and the only people who have rights are white people.
glenn

7 days ago
glenn – I don’t mean to hammer on this but Hillary is not great on campaigning, we all remember the many messes she created for herself in 2008. She’s had a number of problems this time around too. It would seem more likely that even against Trump, she could take missteps that hurt her campaign. But in the end, I don’t think it could ever be bad enough for a majority to see Trump as an acceptable alternative.
AdLib 7 days ago
KT–Hope you’re right, but that was about her third Benghazi hearing. At the first one, she lost it a little. I agree with what she said, when she said, “What difference does it make if they were killed by terrorists or by random people walking down the street?”, but they did rattle her in that one, IMO. Remember in a debate, you can’t consult with anyone, nor can you use notes. I’m not saying she is not well-prepared, but I think she can be rattled, too.
glenn

7 days ago
I disagree. I think Hillary will come loaded for bear.
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
KT – That’s what I mentioned above, Hillary was remarkable at the Benghazi hearings. But I think it demonstrated that when she is on the defensive, she’s strong and successful. When she’s over-confident, she stumbles often.
AdLib 7 days ago
what’s Trump going to do when issues are the main focus?
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
Ad–I agree completely. I think the majority of sane Americans will never see trump as an acceptable alternative to
glenn

7 days ago
I guess we’ll most likely find out. I would love to see Bernie debate Trump, one on one.
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
oops alertnative to Hillary.
glenn

7 days ago
We simply cannot afford another 4year of republican insanity.
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
Ad–you say it so much better than I can. Agree completely–when she is overconfident she stumbles.
glenn

7 days ago
KT – A rabies-infected leopard with a toupee doesn’t change its spots. I think Trump keeps being nasty, misogynist, bigoted and insulting, repeats all his empty lies aboout building walls and killing ISIS and after several months of that, Trump looks like the one-trick-pony he is and loses yuugely.
AdLib 7 days ago
KT–I’m with you on that one. Do you think repubs will learn any lessons from this trump debacle, given that they still haven’t really taken responsibility for creating him?
glenn

7 days ago
Hillary surely expects it. If not, then she isn’t worthy of being president. Trump is simply a big orange blowhard, and Hillary knows it.
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
Saw this poll today, in a Hillary vs. Trump GE, Hillary would get 12% fo the Repub vote and Trump would only get 5% of alleged Dems. That’s a massive loss!
AdLib 7 days ago
KT–I’d like to see a trump-Sanders debate, too.
glenn

7 days ago
Ad–I hope the repubs have an even more massive loss this time than they did with Goldwater. Then maybe they’ll shift away from the “southern strategy” to the “sane strategy”.
glenn

7 days ago
They just might if we win by the biggest landslide in US history. Then again, ?
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
KT–it’s the “then again” that we have to worry about.
glenn

7 days ago
no doubt.
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
glenn – Repubs are like old dogs, you can’t teach them new tricks. If Trump is the nom and loses big in the GE, the GOP Elite will just concoct a way to make the primaries less democratic and give themselves more power (maybe adopting the DNC’s anti-democratic Super Delegates scheme).
AdLib 7 days ago
KT – Same here, I would love to see Bernie stand up to and take apart Trump in a way no Repubs could,
AdLib 7 days ago
Hey Beatlex!
AdLib 7 days ago
I have been saying since last year that a Trump nomination could deliver Dems a bigger-than-Golwater loss. I think it sure could and end up giving Dems The Senate…and maybe even The House!
AdLib 7 days ago
it definitely could happen, Ad. I would be sooo happy!
KillgoreTrout

7 days ago
Ad–I agree, repubs can’t seem to learn new things. However, that’s the definition of conservatism, isn’t it? Stick with the same old, same old, whether or not it works!
glenn

7 days ago
Hey Ad, I have a question. Why do you think Bernie does so poorly among African-American voters?
glenn

7 days ago
glenn – Yep, that’s why conservatives have such cemented minds.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad–speaking of super delegates, if Bernie picks up momentum, are they “allowed” to change their votes?
glenn

7 days ago
Good one, Ad–“cemented minds” that are impervious to facts and reality.
glenn

7 days ago
glenn – I think it’s a few things, partly that Hillary was a household name among Southern Dems and Bernie wasn’t known well, she ran for President in 2008 and gained a lot of valuable supporters back then and perhaps mainly, she worked for Obama as SoS and because of that, represents Obama and his legacy.
AdLib 7 days ago
glenn – Yes, Super Delegates can change their support so Bernie is right to disregard them now. If they were to override the actual winner of the primary, there would be hell to pay.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad–that sounds about right. But hasn’t Bernie supported the President in his voting record in the Senate?
glenn

7 days ago
Ad–so do you think Bernie can actually win the primary? I keep seeing articles that he’ll do much better in the Western states than Hillary. What do you think?
glenn

7 days ago
glenn – Yep, Bernie has been a supporter of Obama’s agenda for the most part but in Obama’s first term, Bernie was pretty hostile towards Obama at times, even promoting a primary challenge against Obama in 2012. But since Obama’s re-election, Bernie has been very supportive and complimentary of Obama.
AdLib 7 days ago
I think it’s a very tough climb for Bernie to beat Hillary but it’s not impossible. He should do well in the West.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad–Do you think President Obama’s recent support of Hillary will hurt Bernie? Perhaps Bernie’s support of a primary challenge in 2012 is hurting him with the President, at least.
glenn

7 days ago
What happened to KT?
glenn

7 days ago
I don’t know, KT just disappeared! Black magic?
AdLib 7 days ago
I don’t think Obama’s unconfirmed support of Hillary changes anything for Bernie, his supporters aren’t looking to anyone else to decide who they support.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad–off the top of your head, do you know if Hillary was ahead of Obama at this point in the primaries in 2008? When did Obama begin surging? Do you remember? I could look it up but I always screw up my connection to Vox when I do that
glenn

7 days ago
glenn – I think Obama was only slightly ahead of Hillary at this point on elected delegates but she was ahead of him with Super Delegates added in. Something like that.
AdLib 7 days ago
So, IOW, about the way it is now. What turned it around for Obama, do you remember?
glenn

7 days ago
I think Obama was the candidate of hope and change and that ultimately gathered steam while Hillary’s mean-spirited campaign against him and the many gaffes she made kept hurting her as the establishment candidate.
AdLib 7 days ago
I’m telling you; the older I get, the more we seem to be fighting the same fights we’ve been fighting for 40 damn years now! Wars,immigration, the “war on poverty”, etc., etc. I keep hoping we’ll find the middle someday, whatever that is.
glenn

7 days ago
The odds are that Hillary will win the nom but that doesn’t mean Bernie can’t make a dramatic comeback. Some of that may depend on how Hillary campaigns from this point forward. She is once again acting as the entitled candidate and that can be a slippery slope.
AdLib 7 days ago
Ad–the strange thing in this primary is the older person in the race is the one beating the drums for change!
glenn

7 days ago
Yup–it’s that “overconfidence” thing again. I think she has to be really careful this time around if she wants to win. She can’t start acting like romney did and think it’s “her turn.”
glenn

7 days ago
Yep, that is the lesson that we should learn from history, from the 1960’s till now. Liberalism won many victories in the 60’s and 70’s but the haters never give up, They will constantly work to destroy the progress we make. Most people chilled out after the 70’s thinking we had won things permanently. That’s what history teaches, with adversaries like these, there is no permanently.
AdLib 7 days ago
I do find that amusing, the oldest candidate is the one that the youth voters are rallying around. But I think his age is irrelevant to them, his message is all that counts to them.
AdLib 7 days ago
That’s what I don’t get. Didn’t the haters like the US being prosperous? That’s a rhetorical question, because apparently they didn’t, which is why we are where we are now.
glenn

7 days ago
Haters on the Right want more and more. More power and wealth in their hands. All they care about is them being prosperous, they don’t care if the US is and in fact, they don’t want it to be because then they couldn’t have the power they have.
AdLib 7 days ago
Once again, you hit the nail on the head, Ad. I’m certainly no youth, and Bernie’s message resonates with me, too. I do think it’s time Dems stopped letting the repubs control the narrative all the time. I realize that our so-called journalists bear a lot of reponsibility for letting repubs call the narrative. I think the internet with all its blogs and websites, is helping to get Bernie’s message out.
glenn

7 days ago
Yes, if this was a time before the internet, I don’t think Bernie is even on the radar. The MSM has happily elevated Trump for profit, they don’t care if they destroy the nation by promoting him. Corporatioons aren’t people, they’re monsters.
AdLib 7 days ago
Well you could just say corporations are just monstrous people. Okay, Ad, time for me to call it a night. If KT comes back, tell him I said good night. And a good night to you; have a wonderful weekend! Only one soccer game for me this weekend, and thank goodness it’s in the afternoon tomorrow. G’nite!
glenn

7 days ago
Will do! Have a great soccer game, we’ve got a softball tournament this weekend! Take care!
AdLib 7 days ago
Good luck!
glenn

7 days ago
Thanks!
AdLib 7 days ago
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