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AdLib On February - 4 - 2016
Our Live Chat accompanying tonights first head-to-head debate between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton begins at 6:00pm PST tonight! Hope to see you then!
AdLib 2 days ago
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AdLib 2 days ago
Hey there!
AdLib 2 days ago
This may be a surprisingly important debate,
AdLib 2 days ago
It will be interesting!
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
I actually don’t want to dislike Hillary but she makes it a bit hard when she attacks Bernie for repeating her exact words on being a moderate. It’s so disingenuous.
AdLib 2 days ago
Ad, she’s just another politician. That’s what they do!
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
PPO – I know but in a year where authenticity is so critical, being a 20th century politician who will say anything at any moment for poolitical advantage is a problem.
AdLib 2 days ago
political, that is.
AdLib 2 days ago
And in contrast with Bernie, it looks even worse to be dishonest and manipulative.
AdLib 2 days ago
Almost time!
AdLib 2 days ago
Hey peeps! Ready to rumble?
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Watching on MSNBC, Chris Matthews should have his pants sprayed with a fire extinguisher. He is manic against Bernie, panicking that he could be nominated. He said Hillary should have been vetted by voters a year ago, before the only alternative was Bernie. He goes mental over Bernie being a “socialist” and tried to apply strict dictionary definitions to it, keeps proclaiming a socialist can never win an election (even though some people kept trying to correct him and explain that he’s a Democratic Socialist as most democracies have. He is such an ignorant dinosaur, has no clue why Bernie has support.
AdLib 2 days ago
Oh crap, commercials! I forget, because I don’t watch television, usually.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
I can never really figure Matthews out. I seen him do some really good interviews, not letting RW fanatics off the hook, then he does dickish things like you just decribed, Ad.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
And Brian Williams is such a fool, proclaiming there must be a winner and loser tonight. This is a debate, not an election, it’s possible for both to do well or both have trouble. No Brian, there won’t necessarily be a meaningful winner.
AdLib 2 days ago
Hey Babs, go live in the Dome in New Orleans.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Where are you watching? All I get is music!
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
KT – When it comes to Bernie, Matthews goes mental. He might as well wear a Hillary bumper sticker on his forehead, he rants against Bernie and decribes him like someone who’s mentally ill.
AdLib 2 days ago
Here we go, should be starting now PPO!
AdLib 2 days ago
Matthews is a puzzle. He’s a weird combination of very rational, and at times very emotional. Definitely oil and water there.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Matthews is actually angry that Hillary is not getting a coronation.
AdLib 2 days ago
KT – I think he has a short circuit in his brain, sometimes the current flows properly and other times he goes haywire.
AdLib 2 days ago
Go Rachel!
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Effin thing has hung up!
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
That would be a faulty diode. Sorry, my technician’s back round slipped through..
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
I can only imagine the nasty pro-Repub questioons Chuck “GOP” Todd will ask. I do think Rachel will do a good job (she did a forum but has she moderated a debate before?).
AdLib 2 days ago
Just wave bye, bye Heb! America does not want a third Bush administration. Go away!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Damn, has it come back PPO? Try reloading the page.
AdLib 2 days ago
Jeb is polling in 5th place, I could imagine him staying in the race after NH if he finishes around there.
AdLib 2 days ago
Oh, Heb is not a career politician? He and his whole family are.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
This is why he’s in 5th place.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hey Homie!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Heb begging for applause…then the lights went out. He’s such a sad sack.
AdLib 2 days ago
OK, went to NBCnews. Running fine.
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Heb, meet Dr. Freud. Dr. Freud, meet Heb!!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hey Homie! Just trying to get a live stream of the debate here…
kesmarn

2 days ago
Kes try:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/democratic-debate-clinton-sanders-square-new-hampshire-n511096

4 Things to Watch in First Head-to-Head Dem Debate
The debate comes as the candidates have been exchanging fire on who is a real progressive in the race and on who is the bigger underdog.

pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
MSNBC is working for me. NBC is restricted in this area. I have no idea why.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Thanks much, PPO!
kesmarn

2 days ago
Hey Kes!
AdLib 2 days ago
Hillary, it would be crazy to end the ACA before single payer is in place and that’s not what Bernie would do.
AdLib 2 days ago
Hey, AdLib! HRC seems to be working hard to keep her voice verrry low so far. Isn’t there a happy medium somewhere there?
kesmarn

2 days ago
I don’t either, Bernie.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Kes – My bet is that Hillary is trying to replicate what happened in 2008 in NH, trying to appear more vulnerable and softer and the underdog. Just the opposite persona she displayed days ago in IA.
AdLib 2 days ago
Hillary and her canned lines about Bernie destroying the ACA.
AdLib 2 days ago
I seem to recall her making herself cry back then.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Wall st helping Middle class? Yeah, that’s going to happen, Bernie
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Kes – I wouldn’t be surprised if she went there again this time around.
AdLib 2 days ago
She’s not telling the truth. Sanders never said he wanted to scrap the ACA.
kesmarn

2 days ago
good point PPO. It’s a nice idea.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Bernie just said what I mentioned, he won’t dismantle the ACA while pursuing single payer.
AdLib 2 days ago
Go Bernie.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Go Rachel, go!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Really Hillary? Another canned line, “A Progressive that gets things done” then “Obama isn’t a Progressive?” Dishonest Hillary.
AdLib 2 days ago
Qoth the Lorax!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
The more I see of Hillary the less I like her. I’m taking a lot of heat from feminists for that, but I just can’t help it.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Hillary punching heavily
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
And I consider myself a feminist!
kesmarn

2 days ago
I will say, that no one holds exclusive rights to political classifications like progressive, moderate or right wing.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Kes, she’s pushing to be POTUS! Feminism hasn’t a place there just now
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Hillary opposes bringing back Glass Steagal, supported the Bankruptcy revisions that killed consumers and only helped Wall Street and voted for the Iraq War. Was pro DADT and DOMA. Progressive?
AdLib 2 days ago
i consider myself a big fan of femmes.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Glad to hear it, Homie!
kesmarn

2 days ago
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hillary is not very likable.
AdLib 2 days ago
And Hillary has done so many U-turns — it’s pretty difficult to categorize her as anything — Lib, Progressive or centrist.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Ad, perhaps, but the alternatives are more likeable?
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Ad, well, would you have a beer with her?
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
PPO – It’s close to being the better of two evils but Hillary will always be a better choice than any Repub.
AdLib 2 days ago
KT – I would have a beer with her out of interest but not because I find her someone who would be good company.
AdLib 2 days ago
absolutely no doubt, Ad. I don’t think enough people realize the real stakes in this election. We just can’t allow another GOP administration.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hillary just lied about her “moderate” quote.
AdLib 2 days ago
Maybe she would surprise you.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Whooops, Hillary’s “gatekeeper” accusation was a bit nasty.
AdLib 2 days ago
He never declared that he was the “gatekeeper.” Grrrr!
kesmarn

2 days ago
Ad, I hear ‘Gatekeeper 30 secs after your post, so getting things on delay here. Interesting.
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Exactly Kes.
AdLib 2 days ago
That was a definite jab. She’s trying to get him angry. It may be working.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
And then she says: “You started it!!” What is she? 12?
kesmarn

2 days ago
PPO – Actually , I’m psychic.
AdLib 2 days ago
Ad,
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
well Homie, he did, really.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Yes, you’re ahead of my feed too, AdLib!
kesmarn

2 days ago
I’m watching on tv which is always ahead of web feeds. Heh!
AdLib 2 days ago
Good one, Bernie!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
I think he was responding to a question when he said “on some days” she’s progressive, Homie. I could be wrong though.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Yeah! 50 state strategy!
AdLib 2 days ago
I was laughing at his joke about dems.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
DWS has killed the 50 state strategy.
AdLib 2 days ago
DWS, ad?
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
DWS needs to go.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hillary, stop trying to compliment yourself based on those supporting you.
AdLib 2 days ago
Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Riiiiight
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Yeah right Hill. They hate you more than they hate Obama. I didn’t think that was possible.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hillary set herself up for being called Establishment, nice, Bernie.
AdLib 2 days ago
Hillary is definitely “establishment.” No question about it.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Bernie keeping it positive for the most part. That’s good.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Hillary, you are the wife of a President and a Senator and SoS and you’re not Establishment???
AdLib 2 days ago
Ooooooooo! Go On……
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Oh — play the woman card now.
kesmarn

2 days ago
One needs to be pragmatic and KNOW how to work ‘the Establishment” Bernie doesn’t seem to have that ability
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Homie, I think she playing the anti-establishment card.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Did I mention I’m a multimillionaire taking Wall Street money? Er…I mean a woman.
AdLib 2 days ago
Bernie wins this argument on money in politics.
AdLib 2 days ago
PPO. Bernie is calling for, and relying on a genuine political revolution. He has even said so. I think that’s the only way to get any change in our favor.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Here she goes, “I’m a victim!”
AdLib 2 days ago
They all take speaking fees, Ad.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Kt, you may be right, and probably are, BUT, will Washington ever change that much? I very much doubt it
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Chelsea’s father-in-law served time in prison for investor fraud. I will say no more…
kesmarn

2 days ago
That’s why Bernie insists that we have to help him. Obama has been asking the same for a long time now.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Oooohhh… Nasty!
kesmarn

2 days ago
Now Hillary is losing it.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
She is. This is not “presidential.”
kesmarn

2 days ago
Bernie is smartly parrying her dishonest claim that money contributed to pols doesn’t corrupt.
AdLib 2 days ago
Bernie is going full Bullworth! Go Bernie! Go!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Bernie “Bullworth” Sanders.
AdLib 2 days ago
i like it Ad! Tell it like it is!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hillary down for an 8-count
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
“Have I mentioned lately, I’m a victim?”
AdLib 2 days ago
Now, she’s right about that.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hillary is cherry picking Bernie’s record.
AdLib 2 days ago
Benghazi, anybody? Talk about being attacked.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Benghazi is one legit issue she can claim being victimized on.
AdLib 2 days ago
What did her husband do? Sanctioned the elimination of Glass-Steagall?
kesmarn

2 days ago
Comparing the 2 debates, now THIS is a Debate! Both punching and counterpunching.
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
no doubt Ad. And Monicagate, and probably a few more manufactured scandals.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Grabbing a coffee BRB
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Kes – Exactly ! And Hillary says she will not reinstate it…THAT is the payoff for the Wall Street contributions but Bernie is smart not to point that out.
AdLib 2 days ago
Hillary running to the bathroom now. She’ll be back five minutes after the debate resumes.
kesmarn

2 days ago
I have a serious question. If dems bash the shyte out of hillary, and she wins the nomination, then what? Do we flip-flop and start saying good things about her? It’s a serious question.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
KT – Yep, Travelgate too and the email issue. Hillary was unfairly attacked along the way, it is true but Bernie repeating her words is not an attack.
AdLib 2 days ago
I agree.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
KT – Not me, I will always say that Hillary is no Bernie or Obama but she’s better than any Repub. Like some other GE’s, I think it may be voting for the better of two evils (though I don’t think Hillary is evil).
AdLib 2 days ago
oh no doubt, but how would express your support beyond saying HIllary is no Bernie?
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
I mean there has to be a better argument than, she is the lesser of two evils.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Good question, KT. I was (and still am) prepared to vote for her in the general — for obvious reasons. But tonight I have to say I’m not impressed. She seems to be coming across as angry and desperate and even mean. I know she’s rattled after Iowa, but if she can be thrown off her game by Bernie, what is Putin going to do to her?
kesmarn

2 days ago
I would say that if Hillary was Pres, Dems would have leverage to hold her feet to the fire because she’s a Dem (and wants to get re-elected). Any Repub would ignore most of the country and do horrible things and take pride in ignoring the people.
AdLib 2 days ago
Oh Homie, Hillary is tough as nails. Just remember how she handled the Congressional investigators of Benghazi. I think she wants the white house so bad, that it means more than anything to her. Maybe not such a good thing, but I think that’s why she’s getting flustered.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Kes – That’s a goood point, her getting rattled at this point and in 2008 does create concern. BTW, Hillary avoiding answering Rachel’s question on the speaking fees.
AdLib 2 days ago
KT – I agree, Hillary was phenomenal in that Benghazi hearing. But tonight and in the election, she has shown to be less steady.
AdLib 2 days ago
bill Maher said, “Hillary eats scandals for breakfast. They only make her stronger!” A joke yes, but with a fair amount of truth.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
And that question is not going to go away, AdLib. Goldman-Sachs doesn’t ever invest money without expecting a return on it.
kesmarn

2 days ago
that’s because she want’s this so badly. Her emotions are taking over. Not good.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
The question is, “Why do you think they paid you that much money?”
AdLib 2 days ago
Hillary does look a bit rattled. Or is it just me?
AdLib 2 days ago
whew Hoo! Damn straight Bernie! DAMN STRAIGHT!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Bernie, How are you going to change Wall St?
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
PPO, he can only hope to get tighter regs. Wall St., in many ways, IS America.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Bernie’s looking like a peer which he needs to do. Hillary isn’t looking bad but I would think she would need to come off more likable than she is to change the dynamics.
AdLib 2 days ago
Good for Bernie for mentioning Elizabeth Warren. And the banks being bigger than ever.
kesmarn

2 days ago
The problem a lot of people don’t get is that millions of IRA benefits come through Wall St. Will people endorse less profits? a question
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Bernie has real momentum on his side. There just may be a real political revolution going on. It’s een a long time coming.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hillary’s son-in-law is a hedge fund guy as is her daughter! And she claims she’s an enemy of the hedge fund guys?
AdLib 2 days ago
is Hillary getting nasal? Tears next?
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
And her son-in-law’s Dad went to prison for investor fraud.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Hillary has to equal Bernie’s toughness, not making herself more ‘likeable’
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Kes – I saw you mentioned that above, I didn’t know that.
AdLib 2 days ago
kes… and her husband was indicted. What has any of that got to do with this debate
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Let’s do keep in mind, that no hands in DC are spotless.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
But I think Bernie is coming off as tough but likable, whereas she is only tough at the moment.
kesmarn

2 days ago
I guess it comes down to a matter of degrees.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Ouch! Will Hillary release the transcripts of her paid speeches? “I’ll look into it.”
AdLib 2 days ago
Here we go…
kesmarn

2 days ago
i’d like to see those.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Oh the politicians back up….I’ll look into it.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Me too. And I’d bet she will not release those transcripts.
kesmarn

2 days ago
We should hold her accountable for this.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
how about Pfeizer, Lilly and Merk?
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
She says to look at her record — but what record does she have of going after financials and Wall St.
kesmarn

2 days ago
PPO – I do think Hillary comes off as tough, just like Bernie. But she’s not someone who inspires enthusiasm. She’s been losing her advantage among women in polling.
AdLib 2 days ago
We need a Wikileaks on her paid speech transcripts.
AdLib 2 days ago
Bernie’s starting to sound like a broken record. same ol’, same ol
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
good idea Ad.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Neither do I.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Wikileaks for Hillary? Yes.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Hillary making an experience argument in a year when that isn’t playing.
AdLib 2 days ago
Julian, are you out of the Embassy yet?
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
It will play in the general, Ad. I think sometimes HIllary is trying to steal votes from the GOP. Not a bad strategy, but very tricky to pull off.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
PPO – He does hammer the same things over and over. Some might call it staying on point, on an opinion that resonates with voters. It can get redundant though.
AdLib 2 days ago
Good question, Rachel. the voters may give pause to think of stuff like that
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
I want someone to ask Bernie if he’d vote for Hillary, should she get the nomination.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Bernie is not anti-corporate. He’s not anti-capitalism. He’s just against unregulated and untaxed corporations/capitalism.
kesmarn

2 days ago
KT – Triangulation worked for Bill.
AdLib 2 days ago
Everything Bernie wants to do, cannot be done with an all republican Congress. Mis-terms, folks, mid-terms.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Yes, it did.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
KT – I know absolutely that he would answer that he would vote for her…but he’ll be the nominee. Something like that.
AdLib 2 days ago
that sounds about right.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
change, in and of itself, is not always a good thing.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
KT – The bottom line is that the Repub House isn’t going to pass anything Hillary or Bernie want, there is no difference on that. The difference is having a President using the bully pulpit to arouse the public to demand change and vote out those who won’t make it happed (after the 2020 census and gerrymandering by Repubs could be changed).
AdLib 2 days ago
Mid-terms indeed, Homie!
kesmarn

2 days ago
I don’t like hypotheticals. I prefer reality.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
My thoughts so far. Ignoring the personal thoughts of ‘liking’ either, I think it’s pretty even just now.
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Yes, midterms!
AdLib 2 days ago
That’s the only way we can get anything accomplished. No president is all powerful. Our government is set up that way.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
PPO – I can’t be perfectly impartial but I’d give a small edge to Bernie for not focusing on personal attacks while Hillary is.
AdLib 2 days ago
I think point for point they’re about equal, PPO. Hillary does seem angrier though. Maybe that’s intentional?
kesmarn

2 days ago
Ad, from here I’m not getting that, but then I’m 12,000miles away!
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Kes, yes, I think she needs to neutralize Bernies blustering manner.
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
I think anger strengthens Hillary. If she gets riled, she seems to show more “moxie?”
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Kes – I don’t know, maybe it’s a psych game to get Bernie to reply angrily, yelling at a woman? Don’t doubt those kinds of games go on, don’t know that’s the case but maybe.
AdLib 2 days ago
Got it PPO, very subjective.
AdLib 2 days ago
Bernie wouldn’t play the gender card, so if that her plan, she’s wrong.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
That’s a possibility, AdLib. I think it’s not a smart tactic. Especially with a man of Bernie’s age who had a different sort of training regarding women than say a Ted Cruz…
kesmarn

2 days ago
Now, a chance for Hillary to show her International abilities
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Now she sounds reasonable, I thought she was angry and stressed earlier when she and her ties to Wall Street money was the topic.
AdLib 2 days ago
Maybe she popped a Valium in the rest room?
kesmarn

2 days ago
Wall St. is her Achilles Heel, Ad.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hi Planetary Peeps! Listened to the debate on Sirius on the way home so I did not miss much. Just hearing it gives a very interesting insight….Clinton comes off very well in her argument construction and syntax….
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Hey Murph!
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Hey, Murph!
kesmarn

2 days ago
Hello Kes, PPO, KT and Ad!
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Hey Murph.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hey Murph! It’s been a pretty even debate but as I mentioned, I think Hillary was a bit evasive and too angry earlier but not enough to say she’s losing the debate. I do think Bernie is doing a bit better by personalizing less.
AdLib 2 days ago
That’s not an answer Bernie. He’s hedging here. How would Bernie bring that about?
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Uh, OH, feed has hung. Anyone else affected?
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Bernie is so enthusiastic and earnest. He gets props for that.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
My feed is still okay, PPO.
kesmarn

2 days ago
KT – In the primary, yes but if she was the nom, the money she’s taken from Wall Street won’t matter.
AdLib 2 days ago
so were many others, Murph. That’s not always a good yard stick.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hillary does look stronger on foreign affairs right now.
AdLib 2 days ago
KT…I agree but I also like what he is saying…he has passion and prophetic insight. A good combo.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
ISIS is way more powerful than Hezbollah or HAMAS, and they’re not gone after decades! So this is a bit moot
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Hillary understands the complex web of international relations and structure in a way that Bernie cannot begin to match…..Todd is making that point now.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
It’s domestic issues that are Hillary’s weakness but she excels in foreign affairs.
AdLib 2 days ago
Beyond speaking fees, how much else did she get from them.? I have to say, I see the race between the dems and the repubs as trench warfare. There is sooo much at stake.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hillary’s experience as SoS gives her an advantage here, but there’s also something to be said for instincts. And when the time to vote on the Iraq War came, Bernie’s instincts led him to vote no while her’s led to a yes vote.
kesmarn

2 days ago
KT – Millions in SuperPAC financing from Wall Street to Hillary too.
AdLib 2 days ago
It would give her an advantage in real time, if she get’s the white house.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Kes – Excellent point. And Hillary is a hawk, she wants a no-fly zone in Syria…ISIS doesn’t have an air force! Russia does though.
AdLib 2 days ago
I would really like more specifics on just who comprises “Wall St.”
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
KT – Individuals and companies in the business of finance.
AdLib 2 days ago
I would say that Wall St. has gotten a bigger bang for their buck for their “investment” in the GOP candidates than they have for their Dem contributions.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Hillary is winning in Foreign affairs.
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Kes – Are you prepping Bernie? He just said what you wrote!
AdLib 2 days ago
Oops… I was typing… Oh… now I just heard it! LOL!
kesmarn

2 days ago
True PPO but the vote for the Iraq war hurts that a bit.
AdLib 2 days ago
Kes, yes, of course they would get more from the GOP, they’re corrupt!
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
In Syria, Russian jets share very limited air space with each other. One accident between Russian planes and American planes could lead to a very tense situation between Russia and us. Pleae, enough with the Iraq vote. Enough already.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
True dat, PPO!
kesmarn

2 days ago
well, yeah Ad. All right, or all left?
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
KT – It all goes to judgement. The Iraq War, no-fly in Syria and as she’s saying now, not trying to normalize with Iran and blind allegience to whatever Israel wants help describe her judgment.
AdLib 2 days ago
Kes….Bernie’s instincts were very much rooted in his general distrust of the GOP and of the neocons in general. He voted against the authorization because they had not convinced him and he chose to give the benefit of the doubt to his doubts. He really did not make the case he (and most) now make. His speech from the floor of the Senate at the time makes it clear that he does not have a strong counter argument but he does has the position that the administration had the obligation to convince him and that it did not.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
I think her judgement has been more in the interests of America, than her political career. The woman isn’t a monolith.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hillary must have read my entry about HAMAS and Hezbollah
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Murph, I hope I can find the video later, but there’s vid of him predicting the potential meltdown in the ME at the time of the Iraq War vote. And it was eerily prescient.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Murph – I think Bernie has great instincts, he doesn’t trust the war hawks and the military on seeking war.
AdLib 2 days ago
we didn’t normalize relations with cuba overnight, either. As a matter of fact, we are only in the very beginning of normalizing Cuba.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Kt… and that taken 50 years!
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Kes….I know it and his thinking was that of a school of thought based in a a realistic understanding of the cultural chaos rooted in religious difference as the core problem.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Hillary is right about this. Hillary is not advocating no talk.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
KT – Part of the delay in normalizing relations with Cuba is because Repubs in Congress won’t drop sanctions.
AdLib 2 days ago
Exactly PPO.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
I think they’re both on the same page here when all’s said and done.
kesmarn

2 days ago
and the Castro boys are playing it very safe. It’s not a one sided thing.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Agreed, Kes.
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
KT – Hillary set up a straw man though, Bernie wasn’t saying and never said normalize with Iran overnight.
AdLib 2 days ago
Exactly.
kesmarn

2 days ago
She’s trying to portray Bernie and dangerously naive and ignorant on foreign policy. He’s really not.
kesmarn

2 days ago
No, he said we normalized Cuba. We haven’t. We’ve only just begun to succeed.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
ad….I agree….but I thin we have to be aware that Bush and His People (or his Masters) made their case Bush was trusted, widely, for the handling of 9/11 and for the Afghan War Phase I….now we know the trust in so many areas and that knowledge colors every recollection.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Kes – She did the same with Obama. Remember “answering the call at 3 am”? So many schemes…
AdLib 2 days ago
We have to seriously know about other nation’s motivatons by knowing more about them on the whole.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
That’s true. Same tactic, AdLib. (“This young/old guy can’t be trusted.”)
kesmarn

2 days ago
Murph – I think the smartest way to look at war is as skeptically as possible then only committing as a last resort. Under Repubs and especially Bush, it was a first or second resort.
AdLib 2 days ago
yes! North Korea cannot be taken more lightly than we take a “possible,” nuclear Iran.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Good analysis from H about russia
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
hillary is very smart about the rest of the world. And she’s tough. I love a revolution, more than most, probably, and I’m behind Bernie, but if I have to vote Hillary, I won’t be holding my nose.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
I’m with her on not privatizing the VA. That’s for sure.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Ad…..again, the filter of now looking at then…..the case made for the invasion sure looked solid. In my Department of History at my university…..every single member of the department, many high level anti-interventionist skeptics…..support the decision….Colin Powell was the case closer for most of us….If only we had know.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
KT – She is very experienced in foreign affairs (can you imagine a President Rubio in a national emergency?). But I do have my concerns about where she will be on the Progressive issues she has newly adopted.
AdLib 2 days ago
everybody talks about how bad, bad, bad the VA is. I know,from personal experience, that the VA has only gotten better through the decades. They are actually pretty darn good these days. Many civilian hospitals that charge outrageous fees, are no better.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Murph – That’s just not true, in fact, it recently came out that Rumsfeld and Cheney hid documents that stated that there was no solid intel on WMD. It was all hearsay and third hand and they hid that from the public.
AdLib 2 days ago
Republicans like active duty soldiers. Once you leave the battlefield, they could care less about you.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
And yet — there were about two dozen of us in Toledo Ohio (and about 500,000 in London) who marched against that Iraq War idea — somehow knowing that there’s was some genuine manure being shoveled in DC during the Dubya years.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Ad…re-read my statement…Yes, I agree it was not so but when did we learn that? At the time the case they fabricated, packaged, and sold carried the day.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
We went to war in Iraq with the Bush Admin KNOWING that there was no hard evidence supporting suspicions of WMD. And the UN inspectors assured the Bush Admin that there were no WMDs. They ignored the only concrete evidence there was.
AdLib 2 days ago
how the hell would someone privatize the VA? Let’s look at the VA as workman’s comp and employer provided health care insurance! That is what it is, in reality.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Murph – They learned that before the Iraq War and hid those reports so they could go to war.
AdLib 2 days ago
Ad who is the “they” you are referring to.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
kesmarn

2 days ago
The federal government being the EMPLOYER!.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
http://www.democracynow.org/2003/2/17/the_world_says_no_to_war

The World Says No to War! Millions March in New York, Rome, London, Madrid, Barcelona, Berlin, Melbourne, Sydney and France
Tens of millions of people took to the streets over the weekend in some 600 cities around the world. They marched and rallied and demonstrated to protest the Bush Administration’s plans to attack on Iraq.

kesmarn

2 days ago
oh come on now Bernie. The Iraq vote, again? Nobody voted for what actually happened. Everybody was lied to.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Homie, I think the Kochs want to give veterans “vouchers” to spend at for-profit hospitals. Bad idea.
kesmarn

2 days ago
I work with a number of vets right now in getting their needs addressed……once they get into the system it does get better, much better now under Obama…but the processing is a nightmare still
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Hello everyone…am I on the right screen?
monicaangela

2 days ago
You are, Monica!
kesmarn

2 days ago
Hey Monicaangela, yes you are!
AdLib 2 days ago
Thanks Kes!
monicaangela

2 days ago
Ad….I know all of that….we are speaking here about the grounds that Bernie had for his no vote…..
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Thanks AdLib.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Hello Monicaangela….it has been a very long time since last we interacted. I hope you are well.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Very, very bad idea. Homie. We soldiers, sailors, Marines, and Air Force worked for uncle sam. Uncle Am was our employer and should be responsible for our healthcare. Above and beyond the call of oligarchy!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Chuck Todd trying to start a fight on the IA results. Nice try Chuckie!
AdLib 2 days ago
I think Bernie had the same sense that all those demonstrators had. That this was a horrible plan Dubya had.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Hello Murph, good to see you again, and yes it has been a long time. All is well on my end, hope the same for you.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Kes – Instincts, right? Bernie has good instincts about not being easily swayed into war.
AdLib 2 days ago
Monica…thank you….yes things are good.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Oh I can’t stand Chuck Todd. What a weasel.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Right, AdLib!
kesmarn

2 days ago
That makes two of us KT.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Hey Lady. How are ya?
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Ad…Todd’s “let’s you and him fight” tactic is trotted out regular in his MTP sessions….especially the new weekday show.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Chuck Troll.
AdLib 2 days ago
Chuck Toad.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Doing well KT, hope all is well with you.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Chuck Tossed
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Murph – Todd has the most horrible Repubs on his show and rarely anyone else.
AdLib 2 days ago
Can’t complain. Doing well, actually.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Chuck tosser
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Kes – Even better!
AdLib 2 days ago
Ad- did you see the study that showed that the GOP are 3X’s more often guests on the Sunday shows?
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Murph – Yes, it’s disgusting. The Sunday shows are mostly propaganda delivery systems for the GOP. McCain is on a show almost every weekend.
AdLib 2 days ago
That’s good. I hope you are enjoying this debate, I’m so glued to my set, I’m finding it hard to concentrate on this live event. Bernie Sanders is doing a great job, I love the fact that he does not filibuster.
monicaangela

2 days ago
monica – It’s hard to split the focus sometimes!
AdLib 2 days ago
Lame respons from Hillary
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Democrats who know their states? What could she possibly mean by that?
monicaangela

2 days ago
They’re doing these extreme close ups now…makes them look bad. Why?
AdLib 2 days ago
He’s a very respectful debater don’t you think, Monica?
kesmarn

2 days ago
The thing is that the Dem debates have REAL SUBSTANCE, something to chew on…..thus the difficulty in both viewing and commenting.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
I agree PPO. I believe she is having trouble believing the fact that young people are not that into her.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Agreed, Murph. a real Debate
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Nobody in history has been vetted more than the Clintons. As much to the chagrin of those who were doing the “vetting.”
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Bullshit Todd.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Oh, Chuck. Enough with the emails already.
kesmarn

2 days ago
I do Kes, at first I was really upset that he would not jump in and speak over her like she does him, but now I actually enjoy watching him display manners and patience in such this situation.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Chuck, you’re the one hanging the email issue over H
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Todd is a toad.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
His restraint is serving him well tonight.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Chuck Todd is a republican, so you know he is going to have to get in the questions that his handlers have asked him to put before her.
monicaangela

2 days ago
monica – It’s a tightrope for Hillary that personally I think she falls off of too much. That is, trying to attack Bernie without alienating his young supporters. She crosses the line by being disingenuous towards him and his younger supporters aren’t going to leave Bernie for her (unless she wins the nom, but not in the primary).
AdLib 2 days ago
Sarcasm, right Homie?
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Todd is an Obessive Compulsive matter for him….I really question his objectivity.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Oops… I meant Bernie’s restraint, Homie. I should have said that.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Todd is trying to sabotage the Dems, he’s a GOP activist.
AdLib 2 days ago
He is.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Todd really showing his colors.
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
objectivity, can rarely, if not downright bias is Todd’s trick in trade.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Todd is now question five in an effort to toss Kerosene on the fire …..
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
good relpy, bernie!
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Disappointed in Rachel, getting into minor campaign issues instead of talking about the big issues.
AdLib 2 days ago
I agree AdLib, in this age of technology Hillary should understand that younger people can fact check her within seconds, literally as she speaks. She needs to try to understand why these voters are not voting for her, and start trying to gain thier trust. I feas if she doesn’t, and if she wins the primary we are going to have less than 30% of eligible voters voting in the general.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Ad….me too…..
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Rachel knows better, and could do a much better job than she is doing. Is she in Hillary’s camp.
monicaangela

2 days ago
She doesn’t like it when Bernie displays magnanimity toward her, I think. It makes her look “weak” in her own eyes.
kesmarn

2 days ago
I think Rachel is doing her job well.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hillary didn’t take the bait to look hypocritical, petty and ungrateful. Good for her.
AdLib 2 days ago
Beautiful , H!!!
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Monica….which would be a shame and precisely what the GOP hopes for….talked about shooting oneself in the foot, the knee, the hip, the gut and the heart….sadly the brain does not get a chance to engage.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Good for you, Hillary. They both refused to mud-wrestle for the media.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Now that was funny!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
She is KT, but I feel she could do it better if she wasn’t under the restraints of the new MSNBC Faux News station.
monicaangela

2 days ago
monica – I don’t know who she supports but I’ll bet this is pandering to her MSNBC bosses who want conflict. Coming right after Todd’s attempt to get Bernie to attack Hillary on the emails, Rachel came out with this. Lame, lame, lame. Repubs may want a food fight, Dems want to see discussions about the real issues.
AdLib 2 days ago
Todd is one of the best/worst mud wrestlers.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
i think Rachel is just looking for the truth, as I see her usually doing.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Poor Todd, Rachel and MSNBC, couldn’t push the Dems into a slap fight.
AdLib 2 days ago
And MSNBC wants ratings. We are going to have to do something about this bought and paid for system of government we have.
monicaangela

2 days ago
BRB, coffee break
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
The truth about what is the question KT
monicaangela

2 days ago
i have an appointment at the VA next week. They take pretty good care of me. I don’t know what all these politicians are whining about.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Not just me, either. millions of vets nationwide.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
monica – MSNBC is such a sewer of RW propaganda now. Just Rachel, Lawrence and Hayes are watchable, the majority of the day is CNN-like Repub propaganda.
AdLib 2 days ago
take your pick, Murph.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Homie, I know four vets here locally who use VA services, and they have only good words for the folks in Ann Arbor, MI who care for them. The facilities are old, but very decent.
kesmarn

2 days ago
KT…that has been my experience once folks are in the system AND if they do their part with paper work, appointment keeping, outside exercise, nutrition etc.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
When hasn’t she, would be a better question.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Hillary is Progressive? She supports the death penalty, that is not Progressive and you can’t keep states from executing in a prejudicial way if you support it at all.
AdLib 2 days ago
There’s no excuse for a civilized nation still having the death penalty.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Good to hear, KT.
AdLib 2 days ago
So is the rule that one has to be 100 percent progressive, policy by policy, to be a progressive? Is Hillary a DINO?
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
AdLib, I have to admit I don’t watch MSNBC too much anymore, only when Rachel is going to do a special report on something. I just can’t stand to watch anymore. I enjoy Ed Shultz on RT, from time to time, but I generally get my news online these days from newspapers published all over the world. I’m going to miss AlJAM when they close their doors, I do watch them sometime.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Or may a PINO?
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
A lot of people think vets should get some sort of non-existent quality of care in America. Yes, so many politicos yammer on about how they deserve the best. The reality is, that only wealthy people get the best healthcare. That has to change.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Well said Bernie, government shouldn’t kill its citizens because government can be corrupt.
AdLib 2 days ago
Excellent, Bernie.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Monica…thanks for mentioning Al Jazeera….extraordinary, global, in depth coverage and Americans could not handle it.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
I can’t believe Hillary is still for the death penalty.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Brings me back to my anti-war days, many, years ago. I’ve always believed that and always will.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
I totally opposed Capital Punishment in principle….courts are wrong all the time…there is no remedy post-execution for evidenciary discovery.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Murph – Personally, I think Hillary is naturally a center right Dem. She’s tried to outmanuever Bernie by going far left but look at her policies up until the race and I think you’d see a center-right Dem. Not a sin, just not the same as a genuine Progressive.
AdLib 2 days ago
I agree Murph, they actually reported the news and not all of this reality tv BS that is being displayed on the rest of the News networks in this country.
monicaangela

2 days ago
I think child rapists and killers should be killed. I don’t see it as a moral issue, but more as a public safety issue. In or out of prison, people can kill.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Bill Clinton and his admin were center-right and Hillary seemed in sync with it up until this primary.
AdLib 2 days ago
I think that’s an accurate take, AdLib. Bill and Hillary are Eisenhower type Republicans basically.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Ad…I find these efforts to define “genuine” Progressive, and “genuine” conservative a flytrap….set up to make policy by policy debate unlikely. Toss a can of paint and be done with it- effective tactic…but detrimental to the search for truth.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Jeb! said Rick Snyder is doing a great job on Flint. Oh Jeb!, just ask your few supporters to clap, that’s what you do best.
AdLib 2 days ago
They are both correct on the disastrous behavior of the little dictator in Michigan. He needs to be arrested and thrown under the jail for what he has done to the people of Flint Michigan, and for what he is doing to the people of Detroit and Benton Harbor and so many other minority majority cities in Michigan.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Anyone who thinks Snyder is/has been doing a good job should feel free to drink unfiltered Flint water for the next year or two.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Murph – The word genuine does come up when it comes to Hillary, It’s not just me saying this, many in the country don’t know that she’s genuine about what she says.
AdLib 2 days ago
I believe Snyder should be sentenced to drinking, bathing in and utilizing that water for all of his water needs for the rest of his life.
monicaangela

2 days ago
monica – I like that punishment for Snyder.
AdLib 2 days ago
What’s good for the goose….
monicaangela

2 days ago
Indeed!
AdLib 2 days ago
I have friends in Michigan…who live in one of those communities where a disaster like Flint would never go unaddressed…..they are very direct in this…the entire “managers” structure is about getting blacks out of any power position unless they belong to the power brokers.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Ad….this sounds like discussions of Obama….let’s move on.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Good answer Bernie, and nice cover up Hillary. She understood every part of the TPP when she was supporting it. She didn’t stop supporting it until she started running for the office of president.
monicaangela

2 days ago
The TPP is now signed, so what do they think now? No one asking
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Murph – Yep, that’s so sadly obvious. White Repubs dominating and taking away the rights of minorities. That’s part of their platform, isn’t it.
AdLib 2 days ago
We would be up the financial creek without international trade. My question is, how do you actually make it more fair. We need details Bernie.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Bernies PPP argument is very strong…..the problem…how does one have a global economy without the kind of inequity he is speaking of.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
That guy — “Earley” I think is his name — who was plugged into the Flint emergency manager role went on to become the manager for Detroit Public Schools. Snyder’s pit bull.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Exactly Murph!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Enough stats, more solutions. OK?
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
The worst thing the TPP gives is veto ability to Big Corporations on GOVERMENTS to regulate their Profiteering prices?
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
KT – But has any global trade deal ever resulted in higher wages for Americans? It needs to be managed differently, still negotiating deals but as Bernie said, not so that the primary benficiaries are global corporations.
AdLib 2 days ago
Kes…and now the GOP in the House and Senate are working very hard to keep the MI GOP out of the spotlight.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
I lived in Michigan for about 21 years, and saw up close and personal some of the dastardly deeds the wealthy on the left side of the state do to the minorities on the right side of the state. What a horrible situation for those the people of Michigan.
monicaangela

2 days ago
TPP makes me nervous because it seems to ding American sovereignty. When there’s a conflict between US law and the TPP agreement, the international regulations prevail.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Murph, the GOP is spinning Flint as a “failure of government.” It’s not a failure of government in general. It’s a failure of GOP government.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Interesting the 2 views, US and the rest of the world.
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
The TPP in effect creates an entity that will evenutally be outside the laws of the governments where they do business.
monicaangela

2 days ago
PPO – That’s the huge problem I have with the TPP. Corporations will be able to go to an international court to overule the laws of soverign nations if their laws cause them to make less money. That is sick.
AdLib 2 days ago
Exactly, Monica
kesmarn

2 days ago
my question Ad, is HOW do we bring that about? This is something that all politicians are guilty of, and it’s nothing new at all. Point out the problem, but never really offer a solution.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
monica – That must’ve been a sad education in racism and inhumanity.
AdLib 2 days ago
And once you propose a solution. how do you get congress to go along with it?
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Absolutely Kes, it gives them the opportunity to avoid our courts, unless we are willing to spend a gazillion dollars to fight whatever settlement the arbitration panel gives them. Either way we lose.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Kes…absolutely….
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
KT – No easy answers but negotiating trade deals that don’t allow corps to sue to get rid of US law would have been easy to oppose.
AdLib 2 days ago
Well, folks, how do we think both sides are doing? I give a small lead to Hillary
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Sad but informative AdLib, I call it my politics 101 class that was actually lived rather than studied.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Chuck loves to asks questions that have HIS agenda woven throughout….Hillary dismissed it!
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
I think I’d call it a tie at this point, PPO. Much as I’d love to award the win to Bernie… LOL!
kesmarn

2 days ago
PPO – I think it’s pretty even. If that’s the case, nothing to change the dynamics of the race.
AdLib 2 days ago
Either one would be a better president than anyone on the GOP side of the fence.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
agreed, if that’s what TPP would actually do.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
I agree Kes, I’d call it a tie.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Oh yes!
kesmarn

2 days ago
Murph, you are SO right!
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Murph – True, Todd wanted to setup Dems as single issue.
AdLib 2 days ago
Iused to say, decades ago, that America should have two executives. One for domestic issues, and one for foreign issues. What do ya think, eh?
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Todd acts as if Presidents can’t get more than one thing done at a time…..
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Good luck with that agenda and this Congress, Hillary.
kesmarn

2 days ago
That’s true Murph, the democrats are blessed with two candidates who would be decidedly better than any of the 17 or more candidates the republicans have offered.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Murph, that’s because Todd is the King of binary thinking.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
KT – Interesting idea but two elections might make my head explode!
AdLib 2 days ago
True dat, Ad. Whew!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
KT…good way of putting it….simplistic at best, manipulative at worset
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Kes – Yep, Hillary just delivered her stump speech laundry list but good stuff on it.
AdLib 2 days ago
Yep!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Right, nothing bad on the list. But where is her magic wand to reform Congress?
kesmarn

2 days ago
Would that give us a military leader and something else KT?
monicaangela

2 days ago
Oh yeah Bernie! Mitch should be tarred and feathered. Seriously.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Kes….both are into magic thinking here….the Senate may return to Blue but the House is Red for a generation.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Ooops. I think Rachel can be very cute at times.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
I don’t mean sexually. Just as a person.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Kes – My real problem out of all Hillary said was that she basically proposed that taking money from Wall Street, corps, wealthy people is fine for politicians. Bernie’s stand on Citizens United is important.
AdLib 2 days ago
Right – -neither of them will have an easy time of it with Congress.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Kes, Bernie would IMHO be able to do a much better job of reforming congress than Hillary ever would. Hillary has too many republican enemies, politicians that don’t like her or her husband. It would be an uphill climb for her, worse than the lift President Obama has faced.
monicaangela

2 days ago
AdLib, I hope Americans can make the connection of getting rid of Citizens United and being able to move forward. It’s a bit complex for a lot of voters.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Right homie. I wish these candidates (besides Bernie) would teach Americans who may have forgotten, that a president is not a king.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Totally got buried on Twitter with this debate. Great to see a good turnout.
funksands

2 days ago
Monica, I respectfully disagree. I think bernie would be a naif, despite all his experience.
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Monica, that’s a very interesting take! I hadn’t thought of it in those terms.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Monica…the GOP is incapable of cooperating because cooperation is contrary to the will of their sponsors/masters.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Good dodge Hillary!
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
bINGO Murph.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
The House Rep that got the most amendments passed during the GOP Congress of 1994-2006 was Bernie Sanders.
funksands

2 days ago
Murph – Bernie is trying to provide a vision but no, it can’t happen in the near term but he can promote the sensibility so it could happen in the future. Incremental change, shoot for the moon and be happy with whatever comes.
AdLib 2 days ago
Very good ending for those two…..very good…..Hillary bringing Bernie into her camp and Bernie making it clear how good he thinks they both are.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Ad…very good way of shaping it.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Bernie Sanders has worked well with democrats and republicans over the years PPO, I don’t see any reason why he shouldn’t be able to continue those relationships.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Hey Funk!
AdLib 2 days ago
Both candidates did a very good job tonight. A little rocky early, but they smoothed it out.
funksands

2 days ago
i don’t think that was a dodge, PPO. That was actually pretty practical. That’s one thing I like about Hillary. She is nothing, if not pragmatic.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Excellent, Bernie, Well done.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Agreed, another tie, both did fine!
AdLib 2 days ago
Yep, Hillary would make a great VP.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Hey, funk!
kesmarn

2 days ago
Funkster…it has been quite a debate tonight on the telly and her on the web.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
i have not been persuaded either way. I like them both!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
And the next debate will have a Trump in it.
AdLib 2 days ago
Sure has. A lot of real meat to consume. I really enjoyed it. There was 30 minutes there that was the best debate I think I’ve seen in years.
funksands

2 days ago
Too late to pitch to the college kids tonight, Hillary!
kesmarn

2 days ago
Ad….we almost went the entire evening without the T-Word.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
You had to remind us. How about Rand Paul dropping out. I didn’t expect that.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Eeeew, what’s that smell, Ad? Oh yeah, it’s the mention of Trump!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Funny how Bernie may be idealistic but he speaks in a way that’s very grounded.
AdLib 2 days ago
Bernie better step up his foreign policy game soon. Just because you are on the right side of the issues doesn’t mean you can’t bring your A game
funksands

2 days ago
Monica…Paul is facing an uphill battle in KY to hold on to his seat…he had to clear the decks
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Just trying to put a bit of perspective with this excellent debate vs. the GOP hate and fear fest.
AdLib 2 days ago
Bernie has been in government long enough to know wether or not his ideas or pie in the sky. I believe he can get the majority of what he is proposing done.
monicaangela

2 days ago
But funkie, what could Bernie have said that he didn’t? A lot of the foreign policy questions were hypotheticals…
kesmarn

2 days ago
Bernie is definitely more humble, genuinely, than Hillary is. Unfortunately, humility is no longer much of a consideration in America, today. Sad, really.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Murph, after his poor showing in this primary he just might join his dad on the sidelines.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Monica, I don’t, but that’s the very reason to push hard for big change. Ask for very little and you’ll get nothing. Ask for the moon and you might get a little.
funksands

2 days ago
monica, Santorum did quit too!
AdLib 2 days ago
And always gracious, KT. Another lost quality in American politics.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Santorum quit a long time ago, he just didn’t know it.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
I agree funksands, and it appears Hillary isn’t asking for anything, it appears she is satisfied with the status quo.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Yes Ad, I read that too. Now that was really a surprise, no more free money…what is he going to do now? Sell sweater vest?
monicaangela

2 days ago
Kes, its simply not his wheelhouse. Comparatively he looks lost next to Hillary (anyone would). He’s got the right platform and views, but he just isn’t as confident on this topic
funksands

2 days ago
monica – The problem with a pragmatic, incremental platform as Hillary has, is it’s not inspiring.
AdLib 2 days ago
Monica she is campaigning on taking over the walls and trenches against the Huns for another 4 years. I want to attack.
funksands

2 days ago
Ad, but what approach will get the job done?
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Indeed Homie. Indeed. I do think our president has shown more grace, under pressure than almost any president before him. I say this because of all the racial snottiness and vitriol, constantly directed at him, and the man just smiles it away. I honestly don’t know how he does it. It is extremely rare and valuable in us humans.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
AdLib, with the electorate we have today, a non inspiring message is only going to cause voter apathy. We’ll have a really small turnout being pragmatic, and that gives the republicans and opportunity.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Funk – What you get with Bernie oon foreign affairs is some experience and good instincts. He’s rarely been on the wrong side of a vote when you look back. Hillary is very sharp about foreign affairs but she does have lapses of judgment IMO.
AdLib 2 days ago
Obama’s greatest gift to America is that when faced with unrelenting obstructionism, he didn’t cave, didn’t crumble, he dug a trench and hung on. That took tremendous self-control and self-assurance to do that. But now we need to counter-attack
funksands

2 days ago
i couldn’t do it. I have little talent for diplomacy at times.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
funksands, I don’t believe she is even going that far. I believe she will allow the lobbyist to quiet the beast on the other side of the aisle. Of course that will require her to step back and sede control of the government.
monicaangela

2 days ago
To the barricades, funk! And I’m with you! When Bernie says “political revolution” he’s not kidding.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Ad, perfectly said. Hillary knows so much, but that didn’t keep her from making the same mistake she made re: Iraq in Libya. Once? Forgiven. Twice? You have established your pattern.
funksands

2 days ago
Funk, we just need to lay siege to the GOP and let them cannibalize themselves.
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Pink, you got it.
funksands

2 days ago
Funk…great comment on Obama’s greatest gift.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
PPO – Neither Hillary nor Bernie will get anything meaningful past the Repub house so that line by Hillary about him not being realistic really applies to her too. My proposition is that a Pres with a greater vision for the future can help change the course of the country, the mindset of the public, towards those goals.
AdLib 2 days ago
And for all her foreign policy savvy Hillary talks about a no-fly zone over Syria. Is she really ready to shoot down a Russian plane?
kesmarn

2 days ago
Lapses of judgement, I like that AdLib….
monicaangela

2 days ago
Well, Kes, the Turks had no problems
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Murph, he was a 1 man Star Wars against the most toxic GOP ever. He deserves tremendous credit for it.
funksands

2 days ago
True, PPO. I have a feeling that’s not going to work out so well for them…
kesmarn

2 days ago
Bernie is dead serious about a political revolution. Nothing romantic about it. He’s dead serious, because that’s the only non-violent way to enact real change. Bernie is no stranger to the teachings of Thorough and Ghandi. Not to mention a few 60’s motivators.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
KT I sure hope so.
funksands

2 days ago
Thoreau, not thorough. Oops. Damn Cabernet!
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Well, I’ve gotta go. I think it was a draw, but what a telling contrast to the spin points and bombast of the GOP. A credit to both candidates and a poke in the eye to Chuck Todd
pinkpantheroz

2 days ago
Hey funk!, when did you slip in?
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
I agree with your assessment of what Obama has done funksands, I don’t believe I could have held my temper under such difficult circumstances.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Right, KT. People talk about Bernie as being a “radical,” but he’s not. Because he want this revolution to be non-violent and to be accomplished by using the system.
kesmarn

2 days ago
Kes – Yes, the No-Fly zone is oone of those lapses in judgment, it would put us in a position where a real terrible incident could happen that is dangerous. The chance of shooting down a Russian plane? Why take such a huge risk?
AdLib 2 days ago
Excellent pont kes.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Exactly, AdLib!
kesmarn

2 days ago
Ad, you are spot on about Bernie on FP. His instincts and judgement are good. He just needs to polish his game a bit. He’s impossible to drag off-message on domestic issues. He needs to get closer to that on foreign policy
funksands

2 days ago
Good night PPO!
monicaangela

2 days ago
I think Bernie is nervous to tell an America that is really fearful about terrorism what he’d REALLY do with the Empire if elected.
funksands

2 days ago
KT – We shouldn’t be afraid of overhauling a system that is corrupt. So call it a revolution or a repair, it needs major fixin’!
AdLib 2 days ago
Kes, spot on
funksands

2 days ago
Ad, or it may help avoid an accidental tragedy that could be blown out of proportion. Our relations with Putin are the best of possibilities just now.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
DWS just lied about what Hillary said, claimed she supports breaking up the banks just like Bernie. BS!
AdLib 2 days ago
I agree funksands, I believe Bernie will get better as time goes on. I just hope he gets up to speed before it is too late.
monicaangela

2 days ago
I have no doubt, ad.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Maybe we should call it a “remodel” rather than a “revolution”
funksands

2 days ago
Well, kids, the son has texted from Radical Madison to compare notes on the debate, so I’ll sign off for now. This has been fun! Catch y’all later?
kesmarn

2 days ago
Oh no funk. We need to call it what it is. Screw any language that would blur this fact.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Kes, tell your son Solidarity™ for me, and good night
funksands

2 days ago
I agree AdLib, if we don’t do something about the coup imposed by the billionaire class on this nation, we might as well just stay home and allow them to make all the decisions for us.
monicaangela

2 days ago
Kes – Let us know what they thought! Seeya!
AdLib 2 days ago
Like the trademark, Funk!
AdLib 2 days ago
Just for the more sensitive of us KT, like Andrea Mitchell and Chris Matthews
funksands

2 days ago
Debbie WS is so bad at her job. I’m really really afraid that we are going to get our clocks cleaned in the House this year. I see us losing 20 more seats based on current trends.
funksands

2 days ago
Right with you monica. Pretty inspiring to hear a young voter today asked why he would vote for a socialist (on MSNBC of course) and he replied that he dislikes capitalism more than socialism because of how corrupt and oppressive it has become. More and more people thinking like that, we could fix the system.
AdLib 2 days ago
I have enjoyed the conversation, sweet dreams!
monicaangela

2 days ago
No, too many hyper-sensitive people in this country as it is. I’m serious. I dislike any labguage that”softens,” the truth. PC language has really helped get us in the brain dead situation we’re in, speaking nationally.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Glad you made it monica! Sleep well!
AdLib 2 days ago
Night Monica
funksands

2 days ago
I like that KT
funksands

2 days ago
You’ve convinced me.
funksands

2 days ago
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
you can thank Mr. George Carlin. He said it before anyone I know of.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Does anyone really think Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz or Donald Trump could be in a debate with either Hillary or Bernie and come off well?
AdLib 2 days ago
Ad, I almost want Hillary to win just so I can see her unhinge her jaw and swallow that lightweight Rubio whole.
funksands

2 days ago
Well Ad, they’ll cetainly try, believing their own bullshit. But no, there’s really no contest.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
The MSM and desperate Repubs tout Rubio but in a face off in a GE debate with Bernie or Hillary, he would look like a little, immature robot.
AdLib 2 days ago
Bernie will be the same regardless, but Hillary would eat them alive.
funksands

2 days ago
Funk – Great imagery!
AdLib 2 days ago
She relishes the idea of mixing up with a Republican. Really relishes it.
funksands

2 days ago
Bernie wouldn’t hold back against a Repub.
AdLib 2 days ago
Which I really like about her.
funksands

2 days ago
Great adjective for Rubio. Lightweight.. If he is the best the GOP has to offer, then they truly are in a death spiral.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
I’m not worried about Bernie. Hillary just has a skill for the format, that’s all.
funksands

2 days ago
I think both would love to face off with the Repub in a debate. Like shooting racist fish in a barrel.
AdLib 2 days ago
Yep
funksands

2 days ago
Bernie has years of angst against the republican that will support his fire. And rightly so.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
If Trump gets the nom and Bernie does, some Repubs will move over to Bernie.
AdLib 2 days ago
I love it when I hear praise for Rubio here…and then I ask about his experience…..which usually ends up with my citing Obama and GOP objections…
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Ad, for sure.
funksands

2 days ago
Murph – B-but Rubio did a lot…he…uh…voted to kill Obamacare dozens of times…unsuccessfully!
AdLib 2 days ago
I’m really astonished how many reactionary conservatives consider Rubio too liberal, when he was swept in on the tea-party wave.
funksands

2 days ago
Ad, I too believe that. I’ve already seen some comments by republicans, life long republicans, that say they would never vote for any of these present GOPer clowns. That’s very encouraging.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Ad……ah, I forgot…never mind…a real American hero. Oh, was he there for anything else…vote wise?
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Remember, Hillary, DWS and the DNC didn’t want this debate until it became a tight race. Just glad it happened.
AdLib 2 days ago
The debate makes them both better.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Me too. Best of the year so far. O’Malley’s absence made it so much better
funksands

2 days ago
Funk – Rubio wants women to die in childbirth! And going to war in Syria and Iran. How do you get elected President on that.
AdLib 2 days ago
After tonight, how can anybody who’s “on the fence,” not see the tremenous difference in the quality of debate between the GOPers and the dems.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
Ad, I think you get elected by more conservatives showing up to vote than anyone else. But you are right, it’s nearly impossible.
funksands

2 days ago
Well fellow peeps, take care everyone, and may you stay, forever young.
KillgoreTrout

2 days ago
KT, I have a deep distrust of people that ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE about the issues stilll being on the fence. Low-information voters I get, but not people that have been paying attention. You know.
funksands

2 days ago
Night KT
funksands

2 days ago
Night KT!
AdLib 2 days ago
Well….good night….I am at a meeting tomorrow evening and not likely to see you unless you run late. So…the best to all…got my dose of Vox this week….whoooo hoooooo!
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Night Murph, hope it goes well!
AdLib 2 days ago
Night Funk!
AdLib 2 days ago
Democratic Party GOTV……for my county….I am on the steering committee.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Excellent!
AdLib 2 days ago
How are things looking there Murph?
funksands

2 days ago
Our focus is on the governor’s race here…the county is blood red…so all of our Assembly reps/senators are GOP…..but there are some reasonable ones who are going to be primary challenging because the State House has become completely inept. We will work at those too.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Murph, what about the local races? Any cracks in the armor?
funksands

2 days ago
county commissioner? city councils? board of ed?
funksands

2 days ago
Funk……red, red, red, red….BUT again…the right wing crazies are driving everyone else crazy now so there is room to work with moderate GOP who do exist on the local level….
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
That’s something I guess.
funksands

2 days ago
In Mo….Blue applies only to the urban areas and we do not have much have that.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Well it sounds like you are being practical about it. Pick your battles.
funksands

2 days ago
Well….I need to get some zzzzzzzzz’s.
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Me too! Night guys! Have a great weekend!
funksands

2 days ago
Funk…precisely…..
MurphTheSurf3

2 days ago
Wait, tomorrow is Friday isn’t it? Maybe I’ll see you tomorrow!
funksands

2 days ago
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