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AdLib On August - 15 - 2015
Vox Populi, our weekly live chat about the week’s events, begins tonight at 7:00 pm PDT. Hope to see you then!
AdLib 7 hours ago
How about a killer kickoff tune Ad?
Beatlex

6 hours ago
Beatlex

6 hours ago
He Ad!!
Beatlex

6 hours ago
Hey Beatlex!
AdLib 6 hours ago
Listen to the tune Ad,I had forgotten this one!
Beatlex

6 hours ago
Will do.
AdLib 6 hours ago
Waiting for the link…
AdLib 6 hours ago
Just as suspected, Trump stays in first in the polls but the real surprise in IA and NH is that Bush is now near the bottom. Pretty funny!
AdLib 6 hours ago
Hey slm!
AdLib 6 hours ago
Hey Ad and B
sillylittleme

6 hours ago
Donald J Trump.What’s up with that? I watched presser and the event he held,tectonic changes for the GOP!?
Beatlex

6 hours ago
That is, in the aftermath of the GOP Debate…which once again, the pundits all said would kill Trump…and once again were totally wrong.
AdLib 6 hours ago
I’ve been looking for a still from Two Weeks Notice where Trump is dressed as a clown for a circus themed fund raiser. Maybe interest people in the movie which actually is a condemnation of everything Trump represents.
sillylittleme

6 hours ago
Beatlex – Not really, think back to all the circus freaks that traded 1st place in the polls in the GOP in 2012. At this point in the primaries, just the core RW loons determine who’s in first place. Last year at this time, Michele Bachmann was in 1st. Then the 999 man. Then Rick Perry.
AdLib 6 hours ago
I was the one that predicted he would not file any required paperwork. I was so wrong!
Harleigh

6 hours ago
hi guys
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Hey Harleigh, puff puff puff. I’m keeping it all for myself tonight
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
This seems different somehow Ad
Beatlex

5 hours ago
got some too. LOL
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Hey Harleigh! Well, that was his pattern for years, I was surprised that he went for it too.
AdLib 5 hours ago
slm – If you find that still, I’d love to post it all over The Planet!
AdLib 5 hours ago
Hi Harleigh, I agree. I didn’t think he’d pass the tax return smell test.
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Ad – I don’t think one exists. And I don’t know how to make a clip from a movie.
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Beatlex – I don’t know, it feels similar to me. The Tea Party pushed their candidates to 1st at this time in 2012 then when the rest of the country got more engaged, they all fell one after the other.
AdLib 5 hours ago
Hey Glenn – how was your week?
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
slm – That’s why I create all the photoshop images I do!
AdLib 5 hours ago
He isn’t talking like a tea partier ad
Beatlex

5 hours ago
Hey SLM–had a pretty good week. How about you?
glenn

5 hours ago
Beatlex – The TPs want a non-establishment candidate who is racist, “macho”, pro-war, openly expresses hatred (especially for Obama) and comes off dictitorial. Trump’s perfect for them.
AdLib 5 hours ago
Ad – is there any way to create a still from a movie?
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Hey Ad, Beatlex, Harleigh How are you all?
glenn

5 hours ago
Glenn – pleasant, uneventful week
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
SLM–good to hear. Sometimes uneventful is good.
glenn

5 hours ago
Hey Pink
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
slm – Yep, very easy. Find a clip on YouTube, pause it, do a screen capture then in a graphics program, sub in Trump’s face. I do it often to existing graphics but have done this as well.
AdLib 5 hours ago
Hi, SLM, everybody!
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
Beatlex–thanks for the music. LIstening to it as I type.
glenn

5 hours ago
Hey PPO!
AdLib 5 hours ago
Hey PPO!
glenn

5 hours ago
hi PPO
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Glenn – I caretake my seizure prone BF, uneventful is worthy of a snoopy dance
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
the gang’s all here!
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
slm – Love the Snoopy dance! Sorry about your BF’s issue though.
AdLib 5 hours ago
Ad – but I want the still from the movie itself.
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Ad,he is on the wrong side of to many of their views.I don’t think it is TP’S who like him that much,a different constituancy
Beatlex

5 hours ago
I think it’s a hoot faux picked tRump over Megyn. LOL
Harleigh

5 hours ago
SLM–good on ya! So, yes, uneventful is wonderful!
glenn

5 hours ago
slm – You may find a clip of the movie on YouTube or elsewhere that has the scene you want.
AdLib 5 hours ago
Harleigh, Agree. shows how much Fox values their correspondents
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
Harleigh–and now Megyn is on vacation!
glenn

5 hours ago
Hey Sabreen–how goes it?
glenn

5 hours ago
Ad – Meds are for the most part great, just it is exhausting for both of us to recover from and late last week and last weekend he had two pretty long ones.
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Hello good people. Anybody going to Cuba?
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
Hey Sabreen? Would you like a Cuba Libre?
AdLib 5 hours ago
Ayles should’ve boycotted Trump first off, then see who blinked. Bet it would have been the Don
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
Hey Sabreen – yup to visit some mechatanum
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
well you may THINK shes a correspondent… just another teleprompter reading faux bimbo. Shes like 45 years old and looks great.
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Beatlex – You have to keep in mind that one thing will make them ignore every other issue, a hostile authoritarian. They live to follow.
AdLib 5 hours ago
Sabreen–I’ll bet a lot of people from the Keys, especially Key West, are planning their trips. After all, it’s only 90 miles from Key West.
glenn

5 hours ago
Hey glenn!
AdLib 5 hours ago
Can’t just go to Cuba yet but it ain’t far off.
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Ad–they live to follow and to find a group (or two or three) to hate.
glenn

5 hours ago
Ad,led down the garden path,idiots
Beatlex

5 hours ago
Did anyone hear the woman who called in to defend trump. I think CNN played or she called in to CNN. I think I find it. It’s about 3 mins. Talk about a nasty piece of work.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
Hey KT
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
I can say that Trump getting on with Fox is a very good thing for Dems. The longer Trump stays as the figurehead of the GOP, the more damage is done especially with Latinos and women.
AdLib 5 hours ago
Here is the caller.

http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2015/08/10/female-trump-supporter-makes-anonymous-rant-call-to-hotline/

Female Trump Supporter Makes Anonymous Rant Call to Hotline – NH Tea Party Coalition
Join the Resistance!

Sabreen60

5 hours ago
Sabreen–isn’t it redundant to call a trump supporter a nasty piece of work? After all, you can’t support trump without loving being nasty.
glenn

5 hours ago
BENGHAZI!!! EMAIL EMAIL!! VOTER IMPERSONATION and ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT VOTING!! IRS>>> shit, did I miss anything of their empty faux rants?? LOL
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Hey peoploids! how goes it, everyone?
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
hi KT
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Hiya KT! How goes it?
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
Hey KT–how are you?
glenn

5 hours ago
glenn – Exactly, they live to follow the fascist who will lead them in their hatred.
AdLib 5 hours ago
I don’t know why we are obsessed with Trump. Except that’s what the powers that be want us to be obsessed with.
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Hey KT!
AdLib 5 hours ago
i’m doing OK, all. I just turned 61 years old, yesterday! Holy Jeebus!
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
I’m 67…. holy shit!
Harleigh

5 hours ago
happy b-day mon
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Damn Harleigh, you old goat!
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
KT–Happy birthday! I hit 67 in July, and will have my 50th high school reunion next year! Talk about holy shit!
glenn

5 hours ago
Is America ready for a misogynist pig like Trump as President?
Beatlex

5 hours ago
KT – Happy Birthday young man. I hope you enjoyed your day and you have a gazillion more
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
Sabreen – Something tells me that the Trump WOman would be frightening to look at.
AdLib 5 hours ago
Happy belated KT
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
AdLib – I bet you’re right.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
Thanks all for the well wishes. I guess I’m the youngin here, eh?
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Sarah in the cabinet! LOLOLOLOL
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Beatlex–No, America isn’t ready for a pig like trump–only other misogynist pigs! Not all of us are like that!
glenn

5 hours ago
she won’t last a year before quittin.
Harleigh

5 hours ago
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
It just boggles my tired brain, when I think about it too much. My daughter will soon be 41! Wow.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
KT – Sorry I’ll be 53 inSept
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Harleigh–that’s where sarah belongs–in the cabinet with the doors closed and locked so she can’t get out! Oh…you meant the President’s cabinet.
glenn

5 hours ago
Very cool slm!
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
ah slm, you’re still a pup! And a very smart one at that!
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Trump really isn’t serious about being POTUS. I’m not quite sure what his game is, but no serious candidate would say the things he is saying.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
KT – It is amazing, isn’t it. My sister and I always say it seems as though we’re still kids.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
SLM–Maybe you should your initials to SLP–smart little pup! BTW, I agree with KT, you are a smart little pup, and a kind one to boot!
glenn

5 hours ago
Aw shucks you two…
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Seems like HS was not that far back… until you find out most of them are dead. LOL
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Happy birthday KT!
AdLib 5 hours ago
sabreen, I am the youngest of 4 kids. My 86 year old mom still considers me, her “baby.” Imagine that, a 61 year old baby!
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Ad – I want a piece with extra frosting!!!
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
ah thanks Ad! We are more often than not, on the same wavelength. I consider that a good thing.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
KT–I only have one daughter, and from the day she told me not to call her “baby” anymore, I told her she would always be my baby. And, she still is…my 48-year-old baby.
glenn

5 hours ago
That cake sure does look yummy!
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
KT – we’re all our mommy’s baby
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Beatlex – No way, not even a worry that Trump could win the WH. We just want him repping the GOP as long as he can.
AdLib 5 hours ago
I hear that. I still call my 41 year old daughter…kiddo!
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
KT – You are blessed to still have your mother. But mothers always consider their offspring as babies. My son is 39 and he’s my baby.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
AD there is nothin past Trump, same as the dems, we got nothing past Hillary
Harleigh

5 hours ago
That very true Sabreen. Although, for a man, it’s sometimes a bit embarrassing. But I know it’s just love, so that’s cool.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
KT–it’s okay to show your “feminine side”.
glenn

5 hours ago
Exactly Ad,I am having fun with it! The R’s look like idiots,,,..AGAIN!
Beatlex

5 hours ago
glenn, no one would want to see my feminine side— Moobs!
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
KT – There’s always the German Chocolate cake:
AdLib 5 hours ago
Glenn – you tell him!!!
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
KT – My son will give that look that says “Mom I’m a grown man”. In other words you really don’t need to tell me that.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
Beatlex–shouldn’t the R’s look like idiots–STILL!
glenn

5 hours ago
oh, my fellow Marines would have a laugh at that! That’s OK though. We’re all a bit of both, I think.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Ad – Ya and a piece of that too!!
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
THE R’s actually lowered their standards this cycle and that says alot.
Harleigh

5 hours ago
KT – You’re right about that!
AdLib 5 hours ago
harleigh, have they any left to lower?
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
PPO–LOL!
glenn

5 hours ago
Glenn,they always look like idiots!
Beatlex

5 hours ago
Harleigh – really you think this clown stretch limo is that different from last time?
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
oops–typing too quickly–“shouldn’t that be….”
glenn

5 hours ago
oh Man, I love German Chocolate cake. Any chocolate cake, for that matter.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
KT Black Forest! YUM
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
Pink – I’m with you.
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Hey ppo! Absolutely! Ummmmmm!
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
PPO it would raise it if they rectified Bachmann, Angle, Louden and Odonnell…. they were a f*uckin HOOT and a half.
Harleigh

5 hours ago
To look at it a different way,the other candidates are BOMBING big time
Beatlex

5 hours ago
Ok – I may have to take a minute or two to put a cake in the oven…
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Oh, BTW. Gawd willing and the creek don’t rise, I’ll be here next Friday. But on Monday I’m having laparoscopic surgery. Oh and I found out something interesting about that saying – creek don’t rise. It’s really about the Cree Native Americans rising up and attacking.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
Beatlex–or want to BOMB big time…bomb Iran that is. Although, McCain wanted to do that back in ’08.
glenn

5 hours ago
Harleigh – Sure, the Repubs have “real” candidates like Kasich who could fair better in a GE but I think Bush has all the money and power behind him to steal the nom. And Americans will not elect Trump or another Bush.
AdLib 5 hours ago
did you guys see the latest rant by Michelle? She s hoping dearly that the Iran deal will lead to the end times. What a fruitcake. Speaking of baked goods!
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Sabreen. Surgery? Hope you’ll be OK.
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
Thanks PPO. I’m thinking nothing but positve thoughts.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
Sabreen – Best wishes on your procedure! I’m sure it will go well!
AdLib 5 hours ago
Sabreen, I hope that surgery isn’t life threatening.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Sabreen–best wishes for your surgery. Interesting tidbit about the Cree Indians.
glenn

5 hours ago
Good luck Sabreen
Harleigh

5 hours ago
I be here and so be you….Hey eatle, SLM, Harleigh, Glenn, PPO, Sabreen, KT and Ad Lib
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
Sabreen – best wishes and that you have a speedy recovery after
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Hey Murph!
AdLib 5 hours ago
Hey Murph!!!
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Hey Murph–have some cake!
glenn

5 hours ago
Not eatle, Beatle!
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
hey murph.
Harleigh

5 hours ago
the cream has risen to the top. Hi, Murph!
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
One of the saddest books I’ve ever read was “Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.”
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Glenn, cake?
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
BRB!
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
PPO….cream to the top….welll thanks
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
Thanks guys. You all are so sweet. Hopefully, I’ll be home Tuesday and it will require a few weeks of recovery.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
Murph – There’s some cake above to celebrate KT’s birthday…at least there was, it may be all gone by now!
AdLib 5 hours ago
Sab…so some surgery…..please do take good care to get plenty of quality recovery time…
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
My love had laproscopic surgery to remove her gall bladder. Out in 2 days, all fine.
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
Murph’s in the house! Hope all is well.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
Murph–scroll up and you’ll see that Ad has provided two cakes for KT’s birthday, which was yesterday.
glenn

5 hours ago
Good to hear, PPO!
AdLib 5 hours ago
Ah….KT stepped out….I just came from a meeting where there was Sangria! So a toast!
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
Really PPO. That’s very encouraging.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
L’chaim
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
SLainte!
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
Murph–cheers!
glenn

5 hours ago
German Chocolate….Yum!
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
So folks…how far do you think Trump stays at the top of the GOP? And is Hillary looking vulnerable now? WIll Biden get in or will Bernie overtake her?
AdLib 5 hours ago
The only way the Dems can lose is if they give the nom to anyon other than Hilary. We got lucky in2008 when the R’s put up Grumpy McCain and his Tundra Tartcicle.
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Slainte, PPO! Erin Goh Brah!
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
I was at a Ferguson meeting held in the boonies…..reps from the minister committee that we all respect and the old-time, veteran activists……what a challenge….
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
AdLib – The media is about the “Hillary is vulnerable” meme. And that Dems are worried. Have they polled Dems cuz I haven’t heard anyone say that they’re worried about anything at this point in time.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
Ad–don’t know the answer to your question. But I have another one for you. If Bernie doesn’t get the Dem nomination, do you think he’ll run as an Indie a la trump?
glenn

5 hours ago
Agree, Harleigh, but she needs to get her skates on and start looking human, not an automaton
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
murph, that’s pretty cool that you can be a real participant in a historical event.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Harleigh – I don’t know, I don’t think Hillary is the only choice. First, she has a lot of issues that limit her. Secondly, whoever the GOP picks will stampede people to the Dems. Third, a non-Bush/non-Clinton Dem could be very attractive whether Bernie, Biden or even O’Malley.
AdLib 5 hours ago
Biden or Bernie would go down. If it ain’t united behind Hillary the next pres will be a klown
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Sabreen–there have been some polls where Hillary is falling behind Bernie, so I think those are the polls that are driving the meme.
glenn

5 hours ago
Trump has 20 to 25 percent of the GOP primary electorate, which is about half of the GOP who will vote in the general which is a third of electorate……
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
BRB
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
Sabreen – The NH poll showing Bernie ahead has got to concern Hillary, don’t you think?
AdLib 5 hours ago
Happy Birthday……kt…..I had some German Chocolate Cake and a Glass of Sangria in your honor…ad multos annos!
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
I would love to see Bernie get the nom, but if it’s Hillary, I have to say, that she is one tough lady and just might be more formidable in dealing with the crazy GOPers.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
glenn -Probably. But the media has taken, I think NH and applied to all 50 states. I can’t stand the media.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
Glenn – Bernie won’t oppose Hill if he loses. But we need him to win. Or I should say all of your grandchildren desparately need him to.
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Thanks Murph! Many more for you too. Oh, these trips around our sun, eh?
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
glenn – No way, Bernie’s already said he wouldn’t run as an indie and he’s way too smart to do that, he knows it would elect the Repub and he’s not egotistical enough to not care. Like Trump…but I don’t believe his threat to go indie anyway, it’s “The Art of the Deal” for him.
AdLib 5 hours ago
kt…re. ferguson…I, and many others, are basically frustrated…..without a central and inspirational leader it is hard to rein in those who think they are crusaders but are hurting the movement.
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
SLM–that’s good to hear. I’d like to see trump split the republicans, but I’d hate to see it happen to the Dems, because I think Bernie would pull a lot of votes away from Hillary.
glenn

5 hours ago
Ad – totally agree
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Clowns come and go,Trump will just be a more famous clown to go down
Beatlex

5 hours ago
Harleigh – Hillary will likely win the Dem nom but I don’t agree that America would elect another Bush instead of Obama’s VP who would continue his policies.
AdLib 5 hours ago
And so it goes, Murph. There will always be an element of outside agitators. It’s in the nature of major change. Unfortunately. There are always vested interests.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Glenn – and well he should. His platform is the D platform without the bowing down to Wall Street and K Street
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Ad–I think trump will actually run as an indie. It’s an ego trip for him.
glenn

5 hours ago
I don’t think “yeb,” has much of a chance. It’s too soon since hie bro really fucked things up.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Murph – Exactly. As long as there are 4 or more GOP candidates, Trump should stay at or close to the top with his 20% of committed Repubs.
AdLib 5 hours ago
Ad – I really think that all it will take is one debate and its ’08 all over again for Hill. Any comment on her tweet out about student debt?
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
SLM–I agree; I think Bernie is the more progressive of the two. Just not sure he’ll get the nomination. But then again, no one thought Obama would, either and look what happened.
glenn

5 hours ago
Ad…I just read Trump’s comments about Iraq today…..oh my, he and I actually are in general agreement.
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
BRB
glenn

5 hours ago
I think Hill’s vote for the disarmament of Saddam is pretty much a non-issue at this point. Yeb has to deal with the horrible legacy of his bro.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
George could at least pretend to be tough,it don’t work with Jeb
Beatlex

5 hours ago
Murph – It is disappointing to see the disarray of the movement in Ferguson. Not sure that BLM has anything else in their quiver than confronting candidates at campaign stops.
AdLib 5 hours ago
AdLib – It may. But I just think it’s too early for “concern”. Maybe I haven’t heard enough from any candidate. I’ve heard a lot of platitudes but not much policy or just how to accomplish platitudes.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
glenn – It’s pretty hard work to run as an indie, I don’t think Trump has done a day of hard work in his life. And very expensive and he’s so greedy, don’t know he would spend the millions on a losing campaign.
AdLib 5 hours ago
At the meeting tonight….”we” reiterated the basics: what is the goal, who are the allies, who are the adversaries, what strategy/tactics draw the allies together, what strategy/tactics confront adversaries, how do we measure change
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
Glenn – getting out and voting was what won it for Obama. Bernie already has more ground troops (for lack of a better term) than Obama at this point.
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
I do think that Berne is really takin it to the people, more than any other candidate. I’m so tired of all the doom and gloom concerning the middle-east. Theat is the least of our problems. I sure would like to see Hill and Bernie talk about the very destructive war on drugs in this country. That little “war,” has such far eaching effects on our economy, social issues and matters of freedom.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
KT – Actually that is a significant faux pas on her part. And makes her either a poor decision maker or a go along to get along.
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Time will tell slm. I remain objective, at this point. I prefer Bernie, for sure. I just wonder if he can win the nom and the general election.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
If they don’t end the war against murikka and women it will make little difference in the next 4 years.
Harleigh

5 hours ago
I believe I read that O’Malley put out a very detailed plan on how to change the criminal justice system. I’ve researched it or read it. I’ll have read it when I get time.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
BINGO Harleigh! The war on drugs IS a war on the American people. In more ways than one.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
I meant I haven’t reseached it or read it.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
KT….Bernie has three huge obstacles: 1) He IS a Socialist (a Democratic Socialist, yes, but S word is there) and that is like painting a target on his back, 2) He does not have a record of legislative accomplishment, 3)He does not have much Democratic Institutional Support….still I like his thinking!
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
KT – That is why I am anxious for the Dem debate…hopefully not following in the reality show/personal attack style of the Fox Debate moderation. Seeing Bernie and Hillary debating…really debating their policies (along with O’Malley and the others) will be very energizing for Dems.
AdLib 5 hours ago
KT – Then you should vote for the candidate that will declare an end to it.
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
This is a horrible thing to admit, but ever since we lost our place in manufacturing, we now have a “surplus of people.” And what is being done about that? Privatized prisons and mandatory minimum sentencing for non-violent offenses. It’s a terrible reality in America today.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
I will slm, as soon as I see one.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Ad Lib….Hillary’s decline is not an the result of idea engagement….but of an emotional reaction to her character and that will be hard to turn-around.
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
KT, we didn’t ‘lose’ that place. the 1% sold US workers out for cheap labor in China and it’s came back to bite us in the ass.
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
Sabreen – I posted this on TOOT but I saw O’Malley’s speech at the IA Fair…and he kicked ass! Great charisma and enthusiasm, as long as he gets on the debate stage and speaks like he did, he could really attract a lot of support.
AdLib 5 hours ago
KT – Please go to Bernie’s website and at least read all of his plans…
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
SLM – I think it’s important what candidates say. But we know by observing what PBO has dealth with that if we have a Repub House and Senate, it will be very hard for any Dem President to accomplish huge changes.
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
30 years prison for 2 joints and someone makes $1,000’s a year for that. We defeated ourselves
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Well PPO, regardless of the reason, it’s no longer there and we have to deal with that. If America had a Hitler in charge, there surely would be death camps. Since the world at large would not accept that, we have for-profit-prisons. They actually trade on the stock exchange. The more people they lock up, the more profit they gain. It’s modern day slavery, pure and simple.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Murph – However, look at all the negatives against any of the Repubs, they sure look like they could outweigh those of Bernie’s. Bush supporting Iraq War 3, Trump hating Mexicans and women, the rest of the Repubs hating women and Latinos. Bigger negatives IMHO.
AdLib 5 hours ago
BINGO Harleigh. That’s exactly right.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
ad…Clinton, O’Malley, Webb, Biden, Sanders, and even Chafee are better than anyone on the GOP stage
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
PBO may surprise us yet agin by reshed drugs with just the stroke of a pen. doubtful but we can always hope to rescind all those unjust sentences.
Harleigh

5 hours ago
BBL – I hope….
Sabreen60

5 hours ago
I would love to believe that Harleigh! I really would.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Ok all, this young pup would like to remind you boomers that you were the ones that pulled up the ladder because money. Your grandchildren don’t see the world as you do. And if you consider yourself a progressive and don’t vote for Bernie in the primary, then I want your club card back. And you must write on a chalkboard a thousand times: I worship mammon over people.
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Harleigh, that’d be great, but what then for the released? Jobs? It is a terrible shame that whatever we do, there will still be huge jobless numbers.
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
Ad….your list of negatives are in the realm of the historic narrative which so few know, and which is constantly rewritten..what I am speaking of is “gut” feeling, an affective reaction and so deeply engrained that rooting it out is incredibly difficult.
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
slm, please don’t go there. I have no club card of any sort. I just see what I see and know what I know.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Murph – I don’t disagree about the perception of Hillary as a person being a liability, more find her untrustworthy than trustworthy but just having the facetime in front of America in debates will help humanize her and could well reduce that negative perception. Then again, if she messes up big in a debate…
AdLib 5 hours ago
the alternative is the worst thing we could do for what’s left of this country
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Harleigh – he’s saving it for his last day in office, that way Hill since you are all so convinced she’s gonna win can just strike that and add it back in.
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
LOL SLM
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Harleigh – I agree Hill is the worst alternative
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
I personally don’t think these debates tell us much. They are simply too structured and hosted by the very corporate owned media we all have come to know and dislike.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Agree, KT. It’s the social media that will be the crucial point of this upcoming election
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
KT – that was not a debate, that was 4 separate sessions in the sandbox broken up by commercials
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Ad….Hillary does not present herself well….having been to any of speeches in three states…..she seems false (with her laugh as the hallmark of this)
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
The alternamtive I meant was keepin 2 million innocents in prison systems. PBO could lame duck fix it. If the dms don’t go with Hiil we lose. I don’t have aany faith in Bern.
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Murph – who knows who she is, she’s always trying to remake her image. and no, I’m not talking about her hair or clothing styles
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
slm – I do think Boomers should take long looks in the mirror when they think about the lower standard of living and damaged planet they are leaving their kids. You can’t buy cheap socks at Walmart then shake your fist at Walmart and China. We do have a responsibility to make things better…and whichever candidate folks support, they should demand real action.
AdLib 5 hours ago
slm, I’m already a supporter of Sanders. I just think he and all the rest need to be talking about the real harm the war on drugs causes. He hasn’t mentioned it yet. and neither has any other candidate. It’s like a political third rail….DO NOT TOUCH!
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Harleigh – can you tell me why?
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
brb
pinkpantheroz

5 hours ago
Hi everyone – hope you’re well. Good to see you, KT!
choicelady

5 hours ago
slm, I’m talking about any, and or all presidential debates in America. Not just the recent one.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
Murph–I agree. I don’t think HIllary presents herself well. And, this is a woman who has been in the public “eye” for many years, so one would think she would have learned how to come off as a little more human. I actually think she came off as more believable in her younger years. Or maybe it’s because we’ve heard the same thing for many years now, and it’s just as old to her as it is to us. I like to listen to Bernie speak; he seems much more in tune with people than Hillary is.
glenn

5 hours ago
SLM….having worked with Obama’s campaign so intensely I was spoiled and that haunts me.
MurphTheSurf3

5 hours ago
Hey C-Lady! Good to see you. I hope all is well.
KillgoreTrout

5 hours ago
KT – it is part of his platform, and he mentions it in context with the profit prison system. like I said do some reading or lots of stuff on youtube
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
By ending the war on drugs R’s will yell ‘weak on crime’ and nobody has taken that on yet.
Harleigh

5 hours ago
Hey Choice
sillylittleme

5 hours ago
Will do slm. Maybe he could do it a little louder.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
Hey SLM – how is MA these days?
choicelady

4 hours ago
Hey CL! How are you?
glenn

4 hours ago
glenn – I’m OK. Bad week in some ways, good in others. How are you? Just read someone Dem won in a Red district there? Know no details!
choicelady

4 hours ago
Choice – warm and humid, translation typical NE August
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
hi CL
Harleigh

4 hours ago
Glenn…Bernie seems to be speaking from his heart through his head…..Hillary from a teleprompter running in her head. I have the same reaction you do: I have heard this all before and it was not great then.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
It’s funny Harleigh, but I’m sure you are well aware of, different approaches to the drug problem in America will lead to LESS crime.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
SLM – that’s MA OK.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Hello Choice….
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Hi Harleigh!
choicelady

4 hours ago
Murph – I know, it’s the reason many Dems don’t trust her and aren’t passionate about her, she seems very rehearsed and artificial even when she is saying things most Dems agree with. What rescued her in 2008 for a while is when she broke down in NH after losing to Obama and people saw a real person (though I had my suspicions about how genuine that breakdown was).
AdLib 4 hours ago
KT it is a no brainer.
Harleigh

4 hours ago
Hi Murph – how are you? Were you in Ferguson over last weekend?
choicelady

4 hours ago
Hey CL!
AdLib 4 hours ago
CL–yeah, it was a “special election”. We still have a total republican state government, though.
glenn

4 hours ago
Hey back atcha, AdLib.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Save billions and frees millions.
Harleigh

4 hours ago
glenn – well, it’s a start though!
choicelady

4 hours ago
Look at models like Portugal, Spain and even the UK. Their approaches are proven to result in less violent and domestic crime. Way ahead of the draconian American approach.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
Ad….yep that is what I am talking about….this may sound hard but I wonder how her rather “unusual” relationship/understanding has shaped her public persona.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
CL–hopefully!
glenn

4 hours ago
This does seem to be a period when people are fed up with the phoniness of politicians, even to the point of supporting a buffin like Trump just because he acts so impulsively.
AdLib 4 hours ago
KT and Harleigh – our Protestant organization is for legalization of marijuana to keep people who use it free from crime environments. We’re the people who brought you Prohibition. We KNOW this stuff!
choicelady

4 hours ago
KT even Amsterdam proved it years ago!
Harleigh

4 hours ago
Harleigh – the tax revenue alone…
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Harleigh – Amsterdam might NOT be the model – their drug use rates are through the roof with lots of serious problems. There are better ways to handle it.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Murph – Hillary did have to face some horrible hatred and national humiliation, I can’t imagine going through that. I could imagine though about how one might build emotional walls around oneself in response. And when one is running for President and trying to inspire enthusiasm, it can be very apparent.
AdLib 4 hours ago
That’s god damned great CL. Not to mention the medical and economical benefits that would result in billions of new revenue. Much better than the money we make from war production.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
CL….Hi…I was in Ferguson on Saturday and then the shit hit the fan. I was at a meeting tonight of key ministers from Ferguson and a bunch of activists to discuss the situation. They lack central leadership, goals, a strategy that encourages allies and challenges adversaries, and are being hijacked by those who are really working against them. So hard.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Absolutely Harleigh!
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
AdLib – apparently in groups she is very charming. It’s in MSM surroundings she gets formal since they’ve lied about her always.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Ad…you make sense.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Murph- that’s hard to hear. It must be difficult, yes.
choicelady

4 hours ago
CL – You and your org just plain rock!
AdLib 4 hours ago
AdLib – we have to preface public presentations by saying, “This isn’t about ‘toke up, Dude’.”
choicelady

4 hours ago
CL…I regularly ponder what you would do in these circumstances.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Marijuana legalization would be a huge gubmint problem! First think about all the hundreds of thousands of drug related police and their activities at the local, state and federal levels that would be out of work. Then all the MJ only prisoners could be released and the ensuing consolidation would put thousands of prison workers onto unemployment. Then the courts would be unclogged and actually have to work again. Is this what we really want fer Murikkka just so everybody can smoke a harmless/beneficial substance that would create millions of jobs in dozens of new industries generating billions in revenues? I think not… way to smart for duhmurikkka.
Harleigh

4 hours ago
Murph – I’ve never been in such a place. Been in violent situations but not like Ferguson.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Murph – its encouraging to hear that people aren’t giving up
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Murph–speaking as a woman; I think you’re right. In a way, I understand the “stand by your man” credo, but a little part of me still asks, if Hillary is supposed to be such a strong, independent woman, then why does she need to stand in Bill’s shadow? There is always that little voice in my head (oh no!) that keeps saying she stays with him because without him, she would not be noticed. And, I’m not all that sure that her policies benefit women, or even the middle class. However, as has been pointed out many times, she’s head and shoulders above any repub.
glenn

4 hours ago
Harleigh – our Prop. 47 last year decriminalized people who had felonies for simple possession, and it’s making a huge difference.
choicelady

4 hours ago
glenn – I think she loves him, period. I see her moving well away from him.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Harleigh – plus how do you control growth. can’t
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
CL…yes….a simple thing: NO marches or rally after 5 would help a lot….bad guy opportunists are using good gatherings as cover…..why are the good guys permitting this?
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
CL – I believe that. I just don’t know if Hillary can make the self-discovery that her well crafted persona that has worked to date is weighing her down from the enthusiasm and support she should be getting. She would need a major revelation and have to cast off the over-polished image she plays out to really get all those Bernie supporters enthusiastic about her if she wins the nom.
AdLib 4 hours ago
That’s absolutely right CL. The Cheech and Chong jokes are inhibiting progress on this issue. I know many very responsible people who happen to prefer a few tokes after a hard days work, instead of a few drinks. Over 80,000 deaths a year, in America are attributed to alcohol. Pot? ZERO! It’s safer than baby aspirin.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
Murph – because it’s hard to know who the bad guys ARE and because young people don’t want to be shut down.
choicelady

4 hours ago
CL it was a great start. Needs to be national from the top down and only PBO has the cover to resched reefer.
Harleigh

4 hours ago
SLM….there were some real victories but the deeper you dig into the problems the harder it is to untangle what’s beneath.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Glenn – I am with you!! I also think a true feminist would have told the public to stay the fuck out of their marriage unless they want someone to come in and judge theirs. I wait patiently…
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
CL – I have no doubt that you and your org paint the big picture about how corrosive the War on Drugs is to society in so many ways.
AdLib 4 hours ago
Glenn….wise words from a wise woman.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Hiya CL. I just got back. Glad you’re here.
Sabreen60

4 hours ago
No street dealer ever asks for ID. They also sell more than just MJ. If kids have to go to street dealers, they certainly will be exposed to harder drugs. I know, from years of personal experience.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
Ad – she’s not surrounding herself with people who would challenge her to do just that
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
KT – I think those data are close to accurate but not, in fact, true. Some people, not many, have become suicidal from pot. NOTHING is perfect. But it’s hundreds v tens of thousands. I happen, sadly, to know of one. But that’s compared to alcohol deaths – nothing in numbers.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Hi Sabreen! Here for just a bit. Bone tired again. How are you?
choicelady

4 hours ago
CL, In all my 45+ years of MJ use, I have never, ever seen one case where someone stoned on weed kills themself. There are always mitigating factors, such as a pre-existing mental illness, or a combination of MJ and some much more sinister drug.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
CL….young people? yes, but most of this stuff is gang related OR radical, hot head related….when I got into the Civil Rights Movement the first step was training and at the core of the training was a rationale for why we did what we did and did not do…we had standard operating procedures and fall back positions for much of what happened….wingng it gets it wrong time after time.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
MJ is about the most benign substance on the planet.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
slm – That’s the problem with being a wealthy, powerful person. Even if you don’t want it, the people who surround you will often just be yes people because you are their wealthy powerful boss. And then they believe what’s going on in their own bubble and may push away those who try to be honest.
AdLib 4 hours ago
Pop quiz! – Heroin is now the big problem. Where does it come from and which country occupies the source. Hint; the TALIBAN SHUT IT ALL down until what country defeated them?? LOL
Harleigh

4 hours ago
KT – that’s true, but the pot distorted the ability to find help. The man in question became devoted to nothing else and finally killed himself, ignoring all pleas to get help. It’s an intervening, not causitive, variable, but we should not go overboard on its perfection.
choicelady

4 hours ago
SLM–I do think the Clintons did say stay the fuck out of our marriage, but the repubs weren’t buying it. So there’s that. So, I do see her as human in that respect–as Ad says, to be humiliated in that way. And, I agree with CL, I think she really does love her husband. I personally think he’s a very sexy guy.
glenn

4 hours ago
The Taliban relies, a great deal, on the sale of raw opium. So does the US. Go figure!
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
glenn – I’m pretty much over Bill, but it’s her call, her family.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Harleigh – Excellent point! Trump said today that everyone is telling him that NH has a huge heroin problem.
AdLib 4 hours ago
Just lost everything – I think we have a modern day opium war going on against our own people.
choicelady

4 hours ago
AdLib – Trump has a lot of catching up to do on reality.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Harleigh – that was the real reason we went to Afghanistan.
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
CL–I still love his voice, and his hands. Can’t help it. Perhaps it stems from being almost six years of missing my husband–whose voice I loved and I won’t even talk about his hands! LOL
glenn

4 hours ago
CL – I mentioned that I’m having laparoscopic surgery on Monday – home on Tuesday, hopefully. Otherwise I’m doing good.
Sabreen60

4 hours ago
glenn – I can sure see that! If Bill reminds you of your beloved, that would be poignant indeed.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Glenn – Ewww.
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
The CIA and US military control Afghanistan. There are no SECRET roads and farms and airports and ports and ships…. IT”S US!!! LOL
Harleigh

4 hours ago
Sabreen = best wishes on a GREAT outcome. I’m glad they’re keeping you overnight. This ‘drive by’ surgery stuff is for the birds. Be well, GET well. Let us know how you’re doing?
choicelady

4 hours ago
CL, I just don’t buy that propaganda. When I say personal exerience, I’m talking over 45 years and working with and knowing people in communities fro the east coat to the west and several points in between. I just have never seen it, so how much of a problem can it really be? The children? Nobody is saying it should be sold to anybody under the age of 21. This whole ban on MJ is just as foolish as alcohol prohibition in the 20s and 30s. It’s a proven failure.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
Harleigh – yup, opium wars.
choicelady

4 hours ago
I actually have more of a problem with Bill than I do Hillary. She pissed me off in 2008, but the fact that she worked PBO as SoS has softened my feelings about her.
Sabreen60

4 hours ago
KT – what I wrote was the death of a friend. Not propaganda at all. He was not the only one. I am totally for the legalization. I just think we can’t say it NEVER had a negative impact.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Sabreen – I went through pretty much the same thing, really disliked how horrible Hillary was in the 2008 primary but gave her and Bill credit for really supporting Obama and Hillary for working for him.
AdLib 4 hours ago
Sabreen – totally agree on Bill and Hillary.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Well, good people, time for me to shut it down for the night. Sabreen, my thoughts will be with you on Monday. Please take care. I hope you all have a great weekend!
glenn

4 hours ago
KT – it never was about MJ, it was and still is about hemp. Only Hearst was replaced by the Kochs and DuPont by Monsanto. Otherwise SSDD
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
glenn – good night!
choicelady

4 hours ago
I will say, the world does need opium. We need opium to make drugs that are strong enough to treat severe pain, which MJ does not. I will say, that with MJ, many cases can be treated without opiates. It’s just a palliative balance.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
Nite Glenn have a great week
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Slm, it’s really about both.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
Glenn…so good chatting with you…best to you.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Night glenn!
AdLib 4 hours ago
nite glenn
Harleigh

4 hours ago
g’night glenn
pinkpantheroz

4 hours ago
KT – the UK gives heroin to terminally ill patients. We need to do the same. It keeps the mind clear and “eats the pain”. We’re living w Victorian Values if we keep substituting morphine.
choicelady

4 hours ago
KT – no because cancer docs are demanding access for their patients in MA. More reading when you come visit your Mom. LOL!!!
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Choice – Excellent point.
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Do you think Hillary will do better or worse after debates? Will it remind Dems why they’ve liked her in the past or remind them why they don’t like her?
AdLib 4 hours ago
KT – IMHO – I’ve known people who smoked weed probably their hold adult life. Some did fine a few didn’t. I put in down when I was in school. It did make me unproductive. In other words, I wanted to stay high way too much. I think it’s a very individual thing. I have a friend who has a Phd in chemistry. She does say that it can cause short term memory lost in some people. I know I sure as hell use to forget stuff. However, I’d smoke a joint now if I had one.
Sabreen60

4 hours ago
AdLib – I think she will do fine. I think there really are not a lot of undecided Dems. Big question is who else will be on tap since I’ve heard rumors of ALL KINDS about new entrants. Very confusing.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Ad…..the dumbing down of the electorate means that impressive ideas and sound policy/programs will not impress…it is all about impressions and that is an emotional response.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Nite glenn. Take care.
Sabreen60

4 hours ago
CL, i’m not saying it cant’ be abused. but as far as your friend is concerned, how can you know all the mitigating factors? Even when MJ is abused, it does not result in death. One would have to ingest over 15 pounds of MJ within a half an hour, before it became fatal. These are just facts. When alcohol and tobacco are legal, and claim thousands of lives every year, how can anybody rightly say that MJ use is even remotely comparable in danger. This just boggles my mind.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
Ad – if its like last time, it’ll get the same results. I guess it depends on which Hill shows up
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
What I hope is that the Dem field as a whole will inspire Dems…I do not think Hillary will.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Sweet dreams glenn!
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
Ad, hillary has a lot fewer ‘I have Sinned!” moments than the venal GOP candidates to have thrown at her, so she should get both the nominationa dn the election. What kind of Congress she has to work with depends on Dems GOTV
pinkpantheroz

4 hours ago
So… you’re saying, Sabreen, that it’s not a good thing for those with ADD, huh? LOL!!
choicelady

4 hours ago
All true KT
Harleigh

4 hours ago
KT – Once again = it did not cause his death per se. It made him totally unreceptive to any effort to get him the help he needed. He was too high to listen, 24/7/365.
choicelady

4 hours ago
What’s the question CL?? LOL
Harleigh

4 hours ago
Absolutely Harleigh! People tend to really discount years of personal experience.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
Harleigh – damned if I remember!
choicelady

4 hours ago
Well, cl, I would place a certain amount of blame on those who “tried,” to intervene. Could they have tried harder?
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
We be tokin mon!!
Harleigh

4 hours ago
Actually, I’m not CL. Maybe just the opposite. Someone who self medicates will weed will slow down. I think it depends on how much and when it’s smoked.
Sabreen60

4 hours ago
KT – no one ever gave up. He took himself off to a motel and inhaled gas. He was an adult. Do NOT put this on his lover, his mother, and his daughter who did all they could.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Another topic? Just to toss this out. The University of Illinois School of Criminal Justice released a study yesterday that shows that states with the loosest gun laws and the most guns, have the highest death rates for police. If you couple this rules of engagement that encourage aggression the number is even higher. The state leading the pack: Texas (the most guns and the toughest engagement rules). Where do the shootings happen? Domenstic distrubance, pursuits (usually for relatively minor crime), and traffic stops.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Pink – She’ll let the Keystone XL pipeline go forward and then it is game over for humanity.
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Murph – I heard that analyst on NPR with an amazing set of findings. In MT that has virtually no people, the households are pretty much ALL armed. The death rate for police in domestics is MUCH higher than per capita in NYC. That is scary and very persuasive!
choicelady

4 hours ago
In floriduh you are more likely to be robbed, beaten or shot by a cop than an actual non-cop criminal or gang-banger.
Harleigh

4 hours ago
CL, first let me say, that I love to “debate,” with you. I wasn’t putting this on anybody in particular. But I have to ask, hoe certain can you be that this poor soul’s loss of life was attributable to MJ and MJ alone? It just doesn’t ring right, in my experience, which id vast and varied.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
SLM – I doubt Hillary would go for KXL. It will be decided before the next president. The REAL issue for me is letting volatile tar sands oil into the US in any way since that’s what keeps blowing up in train derailments. It now comes 2 blocks from my house!
choicelady

4 hours ago
CL…MT example makes sense given the findings.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
CL – I wouldn’t mind Biden getting in the race, the more it feels competitive and varied, the better for Hillary, Bernie or whoever wins the nom.
AdLib 4 hours ago
KT – I said – it did not CAUSE his death. It made him unreceptive to alternatives. That’s something to pay attention to.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Harleigh – one of the findings…the more aggressive the police, the more aggressive the public.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Choice – so you were the one who wrote that line for her
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
AdLib – I’d love Bernie in!
choicelady

4 hours ago
I’m not sure who I will support. Right now I’m leaning toward Hillary. I will say this and I’m sure not all Bernie supporters fit this bill. But a lot of them on Twitter remind of Hillary’s Pumas. They are doing more harm to Bernie than good. They are very nasty and will bully people. Many people have blocked them. So I just think they may need to be a little less in-your-face and try to be sorta like “No drama Obama”. Just saying….
Sabreen60

4 hours ago
Murph – yes. THAT is important in Ferguson. I saw the feds are trying to recall (Government as Repo Man) Ferguson’s armored cars. FPD is fighting them on that!
choicelady

4 hours ago
Sabreen – I’m with you on the supporters. How ugly this week has been!
choicelady

4 hours ago
Even if it CAN be attribuatable to MJ alone, is that a sufficient reason to deny it’s use for millions of others? Should that sad incident be used as propaganda to deny millions of rsponsible users the right to freely enjoy a substance that has been proven to be far less harmful than booze, or prescription drus?s?
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
Murph – More so for Repubs than Dems but yes, a huge section of the electorate votes solely on “feelings” towards a candidate than by weighing their positions on the issues as opposed to their opponents.
AdLib 4 hours ago
Choice – me too, obviously
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
KT – true
Harleigh

4 hours ago
KT – you have NOT been reading. I and my faith organization are major backers of legalization. READ THAT. No one is denying that. But I caution you on overstating the safety.
choicelady

4 hours ago
ad……this may sound awful but as a group blacks and hispanics, core Dem blocs, vote single issues, and personalities both sealed by the gut….makes both groups hard to focus.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
AdLib – I cannot recall a time before now when tremulous feelings about a candidate ranked so high in the reasons people like someone. I’ve sure known individuals that dumb – a boss’s secretary told me she was voting for Sam Yorty because he was handsome. Stupid always has existed, but not this rush for excitement and feel good stuff.
choicelady

4 hours ago
PPO – I think Hillary would beat any of the Repubs, today’s polls aside. That said, she seemed like a sure thing in 2007 at this time.
AdLib 4 hours ago
Cl…those damn armoured cars, the tanks, do a lot more harm than good.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
AdLib – I am very worried about the ‘swiftboating’ of HRC when Colin Powell and others did as she did on the email etc.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Murph – so agree!!!
choicelady

4 hours ago
Sabreen – maybe its because after all the big talk by D voters, they would rather the status quo than the brass ring. Hard to understand if when one has the opportunity to vote on principle and it is ignored for the safe bet that won’t get ya squat. Humanity is running out of time. More specifically this nation cannot afford another 4 – 8 years of monies to the 1% and no one else. The game of monopoly is about to end.
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
CL…I join you in your caution regarding the rush to legalize.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Murph – I have no problem legalizing pot. But do NOT talk to me about meth!!!
choicelady

4 hours ago
Murph – not that you would, of course!
choicelady

4 hours ago
Murph – There was a study recently that showed that states with more guns are not safer. Put that together with the study you quote and the obvious conclusion about more guns is documented.
AdLib 4 hours ago
CL…as I said the rush to legalize….the umbrella is covering some very questionable options.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Murph – here in CA it’s ONLY pot. I can live well with that.
choicelady

4 hours ago
There is an ice epidemic in Oz. Multiple frenzied assaults and murders being blamed on it.
pinkpantheroz

4 hours ago
Murph – did you encounter Oath Keepers? White guys with open carry being warmly greeted by FPD?
choicelady

4 hours ago
I read what you wrote, and have to ask, if you got my meaning. I don’t believe I have overstated the safety. Sure, any substance that is “abused,” is going to have deliterious effects. I don’t deny that. But MJ is literally non-toxic. As a matter of fact, we all are born with CBD receptors in our bodies. CBDs help regulate metabolism and immune functions. It’s all natural. It just makes me a bit upset when people just point out very sketchy negatives. Especially a one case example. Again, MJ is non-toxic. So is LSD, but I wouldn’t recommend the free and un-guided use of LSD. But MJ is not nearly as potent as LSD is. I think it should be allowed a recreational status. Instead, it’s listed on schedule one as harmful and addictive as heroin. Wow!
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
PPO – I don’t even know what that IS.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Choice – meth is the worst thing ever. who the fuck came up with that shit?
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
KT – we all agree.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Ad….a big reason for this gun issue is that in states like Mo. any fool can buy an entire arsenal, ammo, camo, armor with demonstrating any competence and with only the most cursory of background checks…..
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Sabreen – I have seen the same behavior from Hillary supporters, some of whom even say they will not vote for Sanders if he wins, they may even vote for the Repub. This is sadly, as you point out, something that arises now in the Dem party as with the PUMAs in 2008 (and in this Hillary campaign as well). There are Hillary haters who support Bernie too. But neither candidate has attacked the other and their supporters need to follow their examples.
AdLib 4 hours ago
CL, ,virulent form of Meth.
pinkpantheroz

4 hours ago
PPO – ugh – that is nasty in its original form!
choicelady

4 hours ago
AdLib – I don’t care WHO gets the nom – I will vote for any Dem because the alternatives are utterly unthinkable.
choicelady

4 hours ago
CL, as always…..
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
That’s the bottom line CL
Harleigh

4 hours ago
KT –
choicelady

4 hours ago
Absolutely, CL
pinkpantheroz

4 hours ago
Ad Lib and Sabreen – zealotry focused on any candidate fogs the broader goal…a Democratic dominance in national policy making.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
I think it’s hysterical that Trump is for transparent campaign donations. What have we come to when he’s better on this issue than a lot of CA legislators?
choicelady

4 hours ago
Murph – Is there some data that shows blacks are single issue voters? I’m certainly not a single issue voter. I am, however, not please with the treatment of many white progressives toward Pres Obama and Ms. Obama. Many have bashed him since day one. He never did enough; he did too much; he should have done it this way; no he should have done the other way. And on some the progressive sites he was called every name but the child of god. And the feminists have never defended Mrs. Obama from all the hatefulness from the Repubs. So no, I’m not thrilled with the far left and this point.
Sabreen60

4 hours ago
Cl, here’s hoping the majority of US voters come to the same conclusion. don’t worry about thos who always vote GOP, there aren’t enough of them left.
pinkpantheroz

4 hours ago
Murph – I keep trying to say to people that your vote is NOT just about you – it’s about the nation.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Sabreen – true that.
choicelady

4 hours ago
slm, I’m not sure who invented meth, but it has been around for decades. Hitler was given injections of meth and vitamins, on a daily basis. The Japanese army used to give it’s troops meth, so they could march father and longer than their enimies. Yeah, it’s nasty shit, and really destroys a person’s health, very quickly!
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
Ad – I’d like to point out that Hill’s inevitability was initially what rankled Bernie supporters (and rightly so, we have a democracy not a kingdom) and with every bit of excitement about his candidacy and his call to arms (metaphorically). I think Hill supporters are jealous.
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
SLM – maybe so, but their disregard of POC in too many places have given me pause, and Bernie should have been present in Charleston at least. He ignored all that, and it’s now distrust from CORE voters – POC.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Murph – the question on the ballot this primary season: vote for policy or personality, can’t have both. and by personality I don’t mean character although they well may be.
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Sabreen…my comment is from my experience and observation. I agree with your observations re. Progressives and Obama/////
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
CL…precisely.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Sabreen – then they were PINOs, progressives in name only
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
It’s been fun folks…. see ya next time, same bat time…..
Harleigh

4 hours ago
SLM – I know a ton of them. We call them the Bay Area. PINOs. Call ’em that verbally, they’ll argue they’re really Merlot…
choicelady

4 hours ago
oh, I’m doing a big old stretch of the arms now, and a bit of a yawn. Thanks Ad, as always and also thanks to my fellow planet folk for a nice evening of swapping ideas. This is a rare place and a valued one! Night all!
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
cheerio, H
pinkpantheroz

4 hours ago
CL – Hah! Sam Yorty! Wow, that takes me back! Yes, the reliance on emotionalism for supporting a candidate isn’t new but does seem so prolific.
AdLib 4 hours ago
SLM…..seriously voting for policy requires an info base, serious consideration and comparison, and informed discussion……hard to come by…especially in a selebrity culture.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Good night Harleigh – I’m following you out the door soon.
choicelady

4 hours ago
AdLib -Yup. Yorty. Who, IMHO, was a creep.
choicelady

4 hours ago
So long Harleigh….
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Night you Floridian curmudeon!
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
CL …… Sam Yorty?
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
slm, I’m not familiar with the term PINO. However, I have never seen any progressive on TV defending Ms. Obama or giving credit where credit is do to PBO. Furthermore, I don’t know if Hillary’s supporters are jealous or not. However, when people make comments like that it tends to turn pragmatic people off.
Sabreen60

4 hours ago
Kt, Don’t call me that until I’ve looked it up!
pinkpantheroz

4 hours ago
Murph – he was a horrible Los Angeles mayor, very racist, who got trounced finally by a Black mayor.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Night Harleigh
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
LOL, PPO!
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
Nite KT
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
CL…aaahhhh!
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Night Harleigh. Take care.
Sabreen60

4 hours ago
Who’s leaving – SLM or KT?
choicelady

4 hours ago
Sabreen – which progressives are you referring to? media is corporate owned.
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Oh I thought KT was leaving
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
SLM – Harleigh left.
choicelady

4 hours ago
I think we both are CL. Thank you my friend for another nice discussion that had some intellectual merit. Rare these days.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
KT may be hoping for more cake or perhaps a nice eclair!
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Choice – I’ve been typing. Excuse me all as I pay a bit more attention to my bowl
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
CL – Hillary hasn’t been out front on many issues either, she’s actually seeming very calculating in how she will or won’t respond to issues.
AdLib 4 hours ago
KT – I took it in the neck in defense of legalization, so I earned my chops there. I just worry about overly broad statements.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Then good night KT….and SLM (if you are leaving).
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
MMMMMMMMM! Eclairs!
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
slm – Any one who is far left. In fact Bernie said PBO should be primaried in 2012. Look you are a supporter of Bernie. Fine. I’m not putting you down for that. I just wish his supporters would stop putting down people who want Hillary, O’Malley, Biden or any other Democrat.
Sabreen60

4 hours ago
I know, cl. I just don’t believe I was exaggerating. One case is not enough. Sweet dreams.
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
KT….I though you might be an eclair lover.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
AdLib – I’ve not been listening, but she’s stepped right up with BLM and with several other issues. I love her tax credit for companies that share PROFITS with workers! That digs into the core of the wealth they created! It could be game changing.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Ad – that is why it is a mystery to me why anyone declare they were voting for her. at least with Bernie, its all on his website and in pretty big detail
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Nite KT!
Sabreen60

4 hours ago
Byee, Kt
pinkpantheroz

4 hours ago
Murph, I am sort of a Francophile. That doesn’t mean gay!
KillgoreTrout

4 hours ago
KT – it’s not just one. I said it was very, very few, but they do exist.
choicelady

4 hours ago
Ad..I agree a great idea…..that’s what a sharp think tank can produce….
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Choice – I and BLM beg to differ with your contention that she stepped up. And that is why MSM sucks
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
KT – Moi aussi!!!!
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
KT…not that there’s anything wrong with that….(and nod to Senfeld)
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
CL – Nope, Hillary’s first response to BLM was to say, “All lives matter”, just like O’Malley.
AdLib 4 hours ago
Well, Off to the supermarket for moi. Enjoy your weekends, everybody. See you next week.
pinkpantheroz

4 hours ago
SLM – I see too much on his site that is generalized rather than policy. He’s beginning to focus better. But he’s drifted on generalized ‘god ain’t it awful’ stuff too long for my taste. Comes of being a lobbyist. I need details!
choicelady

4 hours ago
SO LONG PPO…
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Murph – have you been catching his web series? they are pretty interesting
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
AdLib – and just like O’M, she sat down and LISTENED while Bernie walked away. She and O’Malley have very good policy – Bernie had to catch up.
choicelady

4 hours ago
SLM..whose?
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Good day PPO – see you soon I hope!
choicelady

4 hours ago
Bye PPO!
AdLib 4 hours ago
Nite PPO. I’m right behind you. Take care folks and have a great weekend and week.
Sabreen60

4 hours ago
Nite Pink
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Murph – Seinfeld
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
So long sabreen…
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Good night everyone – see you all soon. Don’t take any wooden nickels unless that’s ALL they’re handing out these days. Be well!
choicelady

4 hours ago
Nite Sabreen!
choicelady

4 hours ago
SLM…was not aware of it….I will look.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Night Sabreen! Night CL!
AdLib 4 hours ago
Choice – I would call it much better fleshed out than you seem to fell
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Nite Sabreen – best for next week
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Murph – Crackle : Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee. They’re short and funny
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Nite Choice
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Well….it is past the witching hour……so I am off to slumber. Nite all.
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
Nite Murph
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Well Ad
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
SLM..thanks for the lead….
MurphTheSurf3

4 hours ago
I do see the tribalism within the Dem Party being a big issue, especially if Hillary starts losing her lead nationally. Hillary supporters already accuse Bernie supporters as being the only ones hating on their candidate and vice versa. If Hillary loses her lead, it could get as ugly as 2008.
AdLib 4 hours ago
Your welcome Murph – a laugh a day will make the world a bit brighter
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
Night Murph!
AdLib 4 hours ago
The interesting thing about that is I was helping a friend when the Netroots thing happened
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
By the time I got home, Hill supporters were calling Bernie’s campaign over
sillylittleme

4 hours ago
slm – You mean the BLM-Bernie thing?
AdLib 3 hours ago
So many Bernie supporters were natch upset.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Ya
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
I had attended a meetup a few weeks before and the Boston BLM group was there and supporting Bernie
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Unfortunately, there are zealots supporting Hillary and Bernie who feel they have to chop the other’s head off to stand tallest. I don’t think most of either’s supprters are like that but enough are out there to make things nasty.
AdLib 3 hours ago
Well I see it like this. Hill supporters thought this would be a cake walk.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
I don’t mind BLM disrupting campaign stops as long as it is spread around but their focus on Bernie even had Larry Wilmore calling on them to go after those who oppose them instead of their allies.
AdLib 3 hours ago
Along comes someone who says ok I am going to follow up on every D promise made since FDR, I’m gonna garner the young and energetic like Kennedy, I’m gonna to get real progress for all the people. How could Ds not go for it. What do we have to lose? Only cowards lose.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Yes and the sad thing is, Hillary SHOULD be walking away with the nom as an historic person that can be our first woman President. That should be whipping people up but her persona has smothered the enthusiasm that should be carrying her to an easy win.
AdLib 3 hours ago
I think actually their protests have been brilliant. It has people talking and that’s half the battle. As I keep having to remind people, the original tea party wasn’t popular in its day either.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
And yes in a way I’m calling Hill supporters Redcoat lovers…
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Disruption is key to getting attention to important and neglected issues. What they’re doing is fine, the problem is that Hillary’s security won’t let them do the same to her or to Trump.
AdLib 3 hours ago
There are plenty of Progressives that support Hillary and aren’t being hostile to Bernie supporters, you only hear from the bad apples.
AdLib 3 hours ago
I’d rather have the right woman as the first female president, than have one who won’t deal with some shit that if it doesn’t get dealt with will lead to a second revolution and it will be bloodier than the first one. And there are still visible stains on rocks in Lexington and Concord
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Then they aren’t progressives. They just want a vag in the Oval Office.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Anyway. I really enjoy getting to talk about it here. Cause out in the big bad world, there are some seriously disturbed people.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
slm – Sadly, I don’t think most Americans are willing to fight for what they want. Look at the NRA preventing Congress from passing gun control laws, the push to criminalize abortion, wars we don’t want and not raising taxes on the wealthy as we want.
AdLib 3 hours ago
slm – That’s the truth!
AdLib 3 hours ago
Ya, but I think we’ve reached the breaking point. And if Bernie’s political revolution fails, the anarchists are chomping at the bit. And I pity anyone living in an upper middle class neighborhood, because to the poor they look rich…
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Some women are voting for Hillary for that reason, just as some AAs voted for Obama to see the first black President. But the majority of Americans won’t vote for that reason. So Hillary may not get to be that historic person because she’s not acting like the historic person who should.
AdLib 3 hours ago
Were you young when Kennedy won the election?
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
And that goes back to our discussion earlier. What is she doing? She should be running her race and running it to win.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Maybe she does just want to be a grandma
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
I was in a crib when Kennedy won!
AdLib 3 hours ago
I was in diapers when he was shot. I wanted to ask some of the others what that was like. How did they get so beaten down that they gave up?
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
My grandfather had a saying, “Sometimes you’re so smart, you outsmart yourself.” I think Hillary is being way too calculated and clever in winning…which undermined her in 2008 as well. She seems oblivious to how her almost royal persona is off putting.
AdLib 3 hours ago
Did you see the emoji kerfuffle?
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
slm – I think many of that era felt they fought the good fight and won. They didn’t realize that the enemy never accepts defeat and will always come back to steal back whatever they’ve lost.
AdLib 3 hours ago
Np, what was that all about?
AdLib 3 hours ago
“No”, I meant to type!
AdLib 3 hours ago
They never got the ERA, they were (and are) still fighting the abortion issue, etc. I don’t get it. Its never over, struggle is constant.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Hill’s campaign tweeted out to all students to describe how they feel about their student debt in 3 emoji
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
We know that now but after Roe v. Wade, many thought it was settled law, for good reason. This crooked SCOTUS has allowed so much settled law to be reversed.
AdLib 3 hours ago
That’s the kind of “too clever” BS Hillary can’t help but shovel out. She shows how out of touch and oblivious she is whenever she strays from her standard and prepared bits.
AdLib 3 hours ago
And it was real and it was an idea cooked up by her inner circle. they’re still trying to figure out social media. meantime I have begun tweeting and even though I signed up eons ago I had no followers. I have loads of Bernie supporters and orgs that are following me. Its kind of inspiring to see so many with the same aim.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Did you hear Kerry’s speech in Havana?
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Very cool, that’s how it should be. If Bernie does win, we will need the Hillary supporters on board. So we do have to all get along.
AdLib 3 hours ago
He actually stated that the US would allow Cuba to determine its own form of government. Although he looks like Eric Stolz in Mask, and I find plastic surgery in our politicians to be the latest fuck you to the public.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Yes, very good speech! WHich of course means, Repubs hated it.
AdLib 3 hours ago
Yes, but you know us pushy Jewish socialists
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Carly Fiorina has had so much plastic surgery and botox, she looks like a mannequin.
AdLib 3 hours ago
Heh!
AdLib 3 hours ago
Oh my god the only thing on her face that moved during the debate was her upper lip, she looked like the ventriloquist without the dummy
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Here’s how she used to look:
AdLib 3 hours ago
I’m waiting for someone to accuse Bernie of thinking he’s the Messiah. I was hoping Fuckabee would do the honors…
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Not bad, what didn’t she like about her face? Pleasant for such an evil witch. Sorry I had friends that had great careers at HP, emphasis had,
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
slm – You don’t hear many in the MSM mentioning that if Bernie won the WH, he would be our first Jewish President. So he’s a first as well!
AdLib 3 hours ago
She looked fine but she has the plastic surgery to cover up the ugliness in her soul.
AdLib 3 hours ago
Doesn’t she look almost lifelike now:
AdLib 3 hours ago
Ya, they don’t want to remind people that he and Jesus have their upbringing in common, and their life’s work is along the same line. That’s not the image anyone wants. Because Jesus’ words aren’t to be followed, just his footprints in the sand
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
They squeezed her cheeks into her lips. I don’t like my cheekbones either, but damn!!!
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Do you think that when some people say Bernie can’t win because he’s a socialist, it’s really code for him not being able to win because he’s Jewish?
AdLib 3 hours ago
Interesting looking more closely at the photos. Her business attire is conservative, high neckline, hair naturally greying, smiling, eyes inviting; as a politician low neckline, color of redlight district, no smile, eyes fierce
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
She looks deflated.
AdLib 3 hours ago
Maybe, I don’t know. I am curious why Harleigh is anti-Bernie. He didn’t say, but…
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
All that Botox takes away facial expressions and gives an unnatural, wax figure look.
AdLib 3 hours ago
Its Tom Brady’s fault!!!
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Damn that guy! He deserved to be drawn bad, he is bad!
AdLib 3 hours ago
That’s it. They all look like their wax figures at Madame Tussaud
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Ha. Wanna hear the real story or are you just gonna go all Cheatriots on me?
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Real story?
AdLib 3 hours ago
Nite everyone
Beatlex

3 hours ago
Night Beatlex! Have a great weekend!
AdLib 3 hours ago
slm – So what’s the real story?
AdLib 3 hours ago
Yes. An old rivalry that goes back to when Belicheck left the Jets for NE. Goodell is making good on a promise to make him miserable that is what “spygate ” was about and now this. If you read the Wells’ report, the science doesn’t lead to the conclusion that the Wells’ report came to.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Nite B
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Well…it sure is suspicious that Brady destroyed his cell phone right after being told it was needed as evidence.
AdLib 3 hours ago
Also Goodell is insisting that Brady admit guilt even though he already testified to the judge under oath that he isn’t guilty
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
They never asked for his cell phone. And excuse me for pointing out that the parent company of the corp you work for has no right to ask you for your personal cellphone
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
As the judge has pointed out to Goodell.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
So Goodell has to decide whether this goes to trial. And the judge pointed out to Goodell that his emails would probably be subpoenaed
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
And a judge can get the NSA to intervene, how do you think they got Hill’s emails
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
I’m not one of those who is very upset about this but I did find this on the CBS Sports website: “On or shortly before March 6, the day that Tom Brady met with independent investigator Ted Wells and his colleagues, Brady directed his cell phone he had used for the prior four months be destroyed. He did so even though he was aware that the investigators had requested access to text messages and other electronic information that had been stored on that phone,” Goodell writes in his ruling. During the four months that the cell phone was in use, Brady had exchanged nearly 10,000 text messages, none of which can now be retrieved from that devices. The destruction of the cell phone was not disclosed until June 18, almost four months after the investigators had first sought electronic information from Brady.”
AdLib 3 hours ago
Here’s the link:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25252512/tom-brady-destroying-his-phone-gives-flips-appeal-ruling-narrative

Roger Goodell didn’t buy Tom Brady’s story for destroying cell phone
Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone, according to the NFL, and that’s the basis for them not reversing the suspension.

AdLib 3 hours ago
Yes, but the judge pointed out that Goodell has no right to ask for those things. That needs to come from a warrant. Again would you give up your phone to an illegal search?
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
slm, I’m really not upset about this. I agree, he has every right to keep his personal emails and tweets private unless a court orders them.
AdLib 3 hours ago
Here’s an interesting read for you…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/08/05/roger-goodell-misled-me-brady-appeal-transcript-shows/

Roger Goodell misled me on Tom Brady. I won’t trust him again.
Last week I trusted the NFL commissioner. I won’t make that mistake again.

sillylittleme

3 hours ago
I care that a really decent human being is being given the Dreyfus treatment. Turning our heroes into villians, real villians into heroes. It has to stop.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
I’m not sure aboout what did or didn’t happen but I do hope the judge in this appeal helps clarify that.
AdLib 3 hours ago
I hope so too, because if it does go to trial it will be really bad for the NFL. All the dirty laundry will come spilling out,=.
sillylittleme

3 hours ago
Anyway, if there is nothing else that you wish to discuss it is time for me to shuffle off to sugar plum land
sillylittleme

2 hours ago
Then again, maybe the best thing for the NFL is to have their secrets aired out.
AdLib 2 hours ago
I think a lot of our institutions could benefit from some serious airing out…
sillylittleme

2 hours ago
I think we’ve solved most world problems tonight!
AdLib 2 hours ago
YAY!!!
sillylittleme

2 hours ago
Nite Ad, thanks as always
sillylittleme

2 hours ago
Night slm! Enjoyed our chat as always!
AdLib 2 hours ago
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