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AdLib On April - 10 - 2015
Happy Friday! With Rand Paul announcing his Presidential run…then stumbling badly, Hillary announcing on Sunday and a white cop finally being arrested for shooting an unarmed black man, there’s a lot to talk about in our live chat tonight at 7:00pm…known of course around these parts of the internet as Vox Populi. Hope to see you then!
adlib 7 days ago
Don’t forget to say “Hi!” or “Rand Fall!” when you arrive!
adlib 7 days ago
An early howdy do!
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
And an early howdy do back to you!
adlib 7 days ago
How’s everything your way?
adlib 7 days ago
Ferguson was very interesting last week. Part of the GOTV effort…..
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
It went very well indeed!
adlib 7 days ago
Twice the turnout as in 2014 midterms but still just about 30 percent. Apathy abounds. Still they got half the council black.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Kind of inconvenient for the old school white ruling class to have an election come up so soon after the Brown killing.
adlib 7 days ago
I do think it’s best to look at the increase in relative terms, going up 30% is a real success.
adlib 7 days ago
The GOTV effort was thwarted at every turn mostly by black leaders who labeled it a useless game that played into the white agenda.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Right, but with the success of these candidates, that meme is trashed.
adlib 7 days ago
Oh I am not dissatisfied but I am also not pleased. They kept us at a distance until it became clear that we old guard activists were needed.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
How is the drought in your piece of LA
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
It probably was a phase they had to go through, after so much disappointment and discouragement a too-cycnical mentality prevailed…but that’s blown up by the wins of the black candidates now.
adlib 7 days ago
I do hope you are correct…..the power of black opportunists to derail the good efforts of real leaders is very signficant. It does not serve their interests to have elections go well.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
I’m just waiting to hear what the limitations are going to be. As it is, we’ve been limiting our watering. All that really needs to be done is slash a small portion of agricultural use, they use 80% of our state’s water, and the majority of residents and businesses will be fine.
adlib 7 days ago
Is the agri lobby the problem? What happens if there is a slash? Who gets hurt by it…..key crops, migrant workers?
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Don’t you think though that after the success of this election, that those people will lose influence and elections will gain more legitimacy?
adlib 7 days ago
As it is, it’s lopsided. The small fraction of water use by citizens is going to be hammered hard while agriculture and corporate entities, like Nestle which is draining our public water to sell as bottled water, won’t have to cut back at all.
adlib 7 days ago
The opportunists tapped into a large number of people who will not register and therefore will not vote who regard elections as a game that they always lose. The new message from them is that the two new council members are plants because both are educated professionals.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
What does your “reformer” mayor have to say about that? Or is he in on it?
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hi KT
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hey peeps, wazzzzzup?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Hey Murph, how goes it?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT, only two of us before you appeared…..
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Ah, the night is young!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Hey KT!
adlib 7 days ago
Hey Ad, How have you been?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
I am ok Kilgore….I was sharing my Ferguson experience last week with Ad Lib….if you are interested take a gander further up stream.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hi Glenn…..
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
I must confess, that I’ve reached a certain saturation point. I tend to think that not much has changed, in the long run. I know that’s a bit skeptical, but here I am.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT- I have the same feeling….in fact I have a sense that we are sliding backwards.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hey glenn! I hope all is well in the land of the Pats.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Hello PPO
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph – I get it but I’d think that sect will shrink as the City Council takes on the character of its new makeup. There will always be self-serving cynics but I think the proof in the pudding will weaken them.
adlib 7 days ago
Hi, Murph, KT et al.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Hey PPO!
adlib 7 days ago
Hiya ad.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
I was extremely saddened by the murder of yet another black man. I was, however, glad to see that his killer has been charged with murder. It was no doubt, murder.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Hey PPO! Good to “see ya.”
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ad…I do hope your positive thinking is prophetic…..two ministers there who I have gotten to know are very worried….one thinks the opportunists leaders are in the pay of realtors who want the whole area to flip.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph – Our Mayor can’t do much about it, this is a state thing and while we do need to conserve now, dumping it all on those who use less than 20% of the state’s water is messed up.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph, who would want to buy?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Good evening, all. I was reading about Murph’s experiences in Ferguson re the elections. KT, “land of the pats”? How is everyone tonight?
glenn

7 days ago
KT….and late today another assault by a bunch of pissed off cops on a guy running from them caught by a helicopter followingthe chase.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Glenn, are you kidding? The national champions of American football! The Pats!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ad LIb….beyond your mayor, where does the governor stand on this.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Yes, KT, tragic. But perhaps the fact that cameras are now everywhere, may slow down the incidence oof ‘He went for my gun’ defences.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
KT…..first clear folks out and then make way for development….in this case an expanding university and an industrial park.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
KT – Same here and I do have to agree with those who say it’s great the cop was arrested but it’s messed up that we celebrate something happening that should have happened in a just society anyway…but rarely does.
adlib 7 days ago
KT–but I live in GA, land of the Falcons.
glenn

7 days ago
You poor thing, glenn!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Murph–but why can’t you have an expanding university and an industrial park now?
glenn

7 days ago
This turd was actually caught on camera taking the taser that was dropped initially and dropping it off at the body, some 30 feet away. He was trying to “plant,” evidence and got caught on camera. Thank goodness for personal cameras, owned by the general public.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
PPO–I know, “sigh”. I also have to live in a state with republicans controlling everything!
glenn

7 days ago
OOps. glenn, I confused you with sillylittleme. My bad.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT Landlocked by Housing, particularly subsidized housing.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph, much like “subsidized prisons.”
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT–no problem. I get confused often, too.
glenn

7 days ago
Murph – I do think that community leaders and the community itself needs to push back against these opportunists but I also think the reverberations of the election will be a gradual antidote against them. In the next election, they just need to invoke this election to make the case for GOTV.
adlib 7 days ago
Carpet Baggers?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
The two new council members are an attorney/professor; and a business executive……both excellent….weshall see.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hi Harleight
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
hey folks
Harleigh

7 days ago
Kt, what gets me is that the ‘escapee’ was no Usain Bolt and could have been caught at a gentle trot. but no, he had to empty his magazine.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
KT–but despite the turd’s trying to plant evidence, geraldo rivera says that the cop’s videotape will exonerate the cop.
glenn

7 days ago
KT…the subsidized housing is affordable housing for the poor.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hey Harley, you old reprobate? How goes it?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Murph, owned by whom?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
It’s still going1 LOL
Harleigh

7 days ago
BRB
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Murph – Jerry Brown supports this unfair approach to rationing, shielding the corporate water and agriculture businesses sucking up over 80% of our water.
adlib 7 days ago
Hey Harleigh–I was in FL last week visiting relatives. Sure did love the weather! Although it’s finally getting warm here.
glenn

7 days ago
Hey glenn!
adlib 7 days ago
Wussup Harleigh?
adlib 7 days ago
KT….the apartmet buldings are mostly privately owned with rent subsidies….but the owners cannot sell without government approval thus the need to empty the area.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
It’s been great weather for months in south floriduh!
Harleigh

7 days ago
Hey Ad–missed you all the past two weeks, but I was traveling.
glenn

7 days ago
Ad…I like Brown but his positon on this has struck me as bizarre….I though that I might have misunderstood it but you have verified this.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
I see, Murph.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Harleigh–yup–that’s about the only thing I miss about Florida–the weather.
glenn

7 days ago
i know the bottlers of water are making a killing in California.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
So Hillary’s going to announce on Sunday what we knew all along she would, she’s running for President. Will she win? Will she get a serious challenge in the Dem primary?
adlib 7 days ago
Good evening!
Beatlex

7 days ago
ad – no challenger. nobody there.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Ad–Will Hillary (is it one “l” or two) have any serious challengers? What do you think?
glenn

7 days ago
Ad, I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that Hillary will get the nom, but it is very likely. Who would be a serious challenge?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Evening, Bealtex. How are you?
glenn

7 days ago
Hey B! What’s up?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
glenn – Hope you had a wonderful time! Great to have you back!
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, do you recall the Lysistratra Ladies from my campaigning experience who revolted against their GOP husbands?
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hey b
Harleigh

7 days ago
Hi Beatlex ….
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Doin’ fine folks!
Beatlex

7 days ago
Ad–thanks.
glenn

7 days ago
Murph, that should happen with the GOPer wives.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Hey Beatlex!
adlib 7 days ago
They are “biblically restrained.”
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT….it did….they worked for Obama because they were sick of anti-women GOP BS here.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Harleigh – I think Biden may run and could compete.
adlib 7 days ago
That’s great, that sentiment should spread.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Evening everyone! Hope you’re all OK and doing well!
choicelady

7 days ago
Hey CL! How’s the good fight going?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
If it’s the spouse of a GOP congressperson the they are also a Piece of Shit by marriage.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Ad–seriously? Biden will run? Read somewhere today that he took a baby’s pacifier. I think he’s getting just a little bizarre, lately.
glenn

7 days ago
Ad Lib The Leader of the Lysistrata Ladies had lunch with me earlier this week and she is going to support Hillary. In fact she is organizing for her. She did a great job convincing me I should do the same.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hi KT – haven’t seen you in a long time! Hope you’re OK. The fight is what the fight is. Sigh.
choicelady

7 days ago
hey cl
Harleigh

7 days ago
SCOOP!!!!! Hillary is running! Aust. TV announced she will declare via social media this weekend. How’s that for the worst-kept secret!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Harleigh, manure by marriage?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ad,I hope you are right,she needs to be seriously challenged! NO coronation!
Beatlex

7 days ago
Murph – that is SUPERB news!
choicelady

7 days ago
Evening CL. Hope you’re well, also.
glenn

7 days ago
Hi glenn – lovely to see you. How are you there in GA?
choicelady

7 days ago
Hi Choice….yes I am Ready for Hillary….good Lord!
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hi Harleigh! Great to see you!
choicelady

7 days ago
KT guano! LOL
Harleigh

7 days ago
glenn – We’ve seen again and again that the assumed annointed nom can be seriously challenged by someone not even anticipated as a real challenge in the early days of a campaign. I’d say, stay tuned.
adlib 7 days ago
Hey CL!!!
adlib 7 days ago
Murph–I remember a few weeks back when you were unsure about campaigning so early for Hillary. So, have you made up your mind?
glenn

7 days ago
There are definitely more progressive people than Hillary in the democratic party. But do they have the same amount of political clout? Clout is everything in American politics.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
CL–doing well; weather is warming up, so I’m a happy camper.
glenn

7 days ago
Hey AdLib – how are you? STILL have not heard from our mutual friend. Very annoyed I must say.
choicelady

7 days ago
Hi PPO – how’s life ‘down under’?
choicelady

7 days ago
KT–clout and money. And Hillary will be able to raise gobs of money from all I have read.
glenn

7 days ago
Harleigh, that would explain the batshit crazy!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT – that’s observably accurate. Glenn – yup. Clout and money. I keep hearing HRC has allied with Schumer on Iran, then I hear she hasn’t. Anyone know?
choicelady

7 days ago
Nice to hear about the Lysistrata Ladies! I think the Repub Primary will push many women to support Hillary.
adlib 7 days ago
Glenn….I still have many Hillary doubts….but people i trust like you and Choice and Ad Lib are on board….and when a lifetime GOP woman here in my state walked me through why she and her friends believe it is time for a woman president and that Hillary is the person to do that….well…I put it all together….SO I am Ready for Hillary.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Anyone have an opinion on Lincoln Chaffee? I slightly knew his father who was a very good guy, but I understand Lincoln is a lightweight though he’s opposing HRC on her Iraq war vote and her ties to Wall Street.
choicelady

7 days ago
hillary and Bill already have gobs of money, but they will easily get more in contributions. One good thing about Citizens United is that both parties can gain from it. It still sucks though because it eliminates to average people.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Murph–good on ya! As we have all stated before, Hillary has her problems, but she is still head and shoulders above anyone the repubs have out there.
glenn

7 days ago
Ad Lib and Choice…..Glenn….I still have many Hillary doubts….but people i trust like you and Glenn are on board….and when a lifetime GOP woman here in my state walked me through why she and her friends believe it is time for a woman president and that Hillary is the person to do that….well…I put it all together….SO I am Ready for Hillary.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph – I’m NOT on board with Hillary. Yet. If she is the nom, then sure.
choicelady

7 days ago
Choice….so why was my news Great?
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
CL – That is a bit insulting, that she still hasn’t gotten back to you. What is wrong with people?
adlib 7 days ago
Murph – I see your point – if she can win over GOP women, that’s HUGE. Murph – it was the Lysistrata Ladies coming into the tent. HUGE!
choicelady

7 days ago
KT I honestly can’t fathom the batshit crazies starting with Palin and Bachmann back in 2007. It is beyond embarrassing. 8 years later and these really off the wall whackdoodles are whackin off BS everywhere.
Harleigh

7 days ago
THIS is what this Canadian sees my American friends. If Hillary wins the Presidency,she will face THE SAME situation the President is in now if the R’s retain both houses.Those are the races that really matter
Beatlex

7 days ago
Choice…I like Lincoln a lot but he is a lightweight.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hey CL, same as it ever was. Keep on keepin on. I’m doing well, just a bit more contemplative about life in general than I normally am.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
AdLib – if I could answer that one question, “what’s wrong with people” I’d make a fortune as a guru. I don’t know – did not stop her from asking me to get on HER issues again. Grrrrr.
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph – that’s my understanding of Chaffee, yes.
choicelady

7 days ago
KT – are you in OH or MA?
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph – I’m not on board with Hillary either. I’m actually looking for a potential Dem opponent who is a viable Progressive. May not happen but until the GE, I’m not ready for Hillary.
adlib 7 days ago
Well Harleigh, their clones have risen. Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and the ever constant religious fanatics like Huckabee.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Good morning, afternoon, evening Planeteers!
sabreen60

7 days ago
Hi, CL, Going OK just now. Heading into Fall our Hemisphere.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
AdLib – I’m there with you. I don’t trust her fully at all.
choicelady

7 days ago
Beatle….your reading is correct….but the Dems should win back the Senate, but the House is out reach until post 2020 and only then if the State Houses have returned to some balance.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hey Sabreen!!! Lovely to see you!
choicelady

7 days ago
hi, Sabreen!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Right now CL, I’m in Ohio. I’ll probably go back to Mass for a few months, soon. It seems I have two homes now.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
hey sabreen
Harleigh

7 days ago
Murph,what makes you sure they will win back the senate?
Beatlex

7 days ago
Murph – there is a huge movement to do voter registration in gerrymandered states – might help win the house before 2020.
choicelady

7 days ago
Evening Sabreen!
adlib 7 days ago
Ad Lib and Choice…..I do not see a viable Progressive alternative…..do you?
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Het Lady, good to see ya. How have you been? Sabreen?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Beatlex–for sure Hilllary will face the same thing PBO faces now. I do have hope that Dems will be swept back into Congress in 2016 because it will be a presidential election and more people turn out. So…there is that. It may be the same situation as PBO. First two years with Dems, then the rest of the time with the batshit crazies.
glenn

7 days ago
KT – OMG – you’re one of those people with a summer home then??? Maybe not JUST like the Rockefellers, but in the ballpark! LOL!
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph – no. I don’t see a viable progressive.
choicelady

7 days ago
Beatle…..the GOP will have to defend many more seats this time around and in general elections where the Dems win the WH they take the Senate…..it is the election cycle based on state political makeup.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
KT – O
sabreen60

7 days ago
Hi Sabreen!
glenn

7 days ago
I honestly thought 2012 cycle had the limit on bizarre whackdoodle candidates, This cycle is already fucking hysterical and it’s only 2015.
Harleigh

7 days ago
KT – Oops. Hit the enter key. I’m fine. I’ve missed you!
sabreen60

7 days ago
Murph – what I just cannot tolerate is the number of people who are OK with the wackadoodles in Congress. Don’t they SEE the problems?
choicelady

7 days ago
Hardly CL. I go to help out the mom. She owns a two bedroom ranch, in a working class (small and somewhat secluded neighborhood) on the Cape. The rich need the workers, even on the Cape!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Choice….the Dems HAVE TO begin reeducating the base…..we cannot beat the GOP in the money game so we need to replace the unions with a cadre of bright and informed people who drive the vote.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
KT – I know that. I’m poking fun, but it IS nice you can be in MA or OH. I realize you’re not living large in either place!
choicelady

7 days ago
CL–according to the wackadoodles who vote for the congressional wackadoodles, the Dems are the problem.
glenn

7 days ago
in Ohio, I live in an old motel that has been converted into studio apartments.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
glenn – oh sure. Dems are the problem cutting everything the voting wackadoodles want, of course.
choicelady

7 days ago
Thanks CL. I just wanted to clarify for others here, but they probably know me by now. blush
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT – I knew you had a studio in OH. Nice to be able to get out a bit then!
choicelady

7 days ago
Oh, it sure is CL. Nobody can exclude the natural beauty of the Cape. That is nature’s beauty. Ohio has it’s own, but not as all encompassing.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
LMAO the red states get the most welfare stuff for poor white people!! When told it would be cut and they were losing benefits they blamed the tax and spend dems!! ROTF
Harleigh

7 days ago
KT – nothing prettier than New England and especially the Cape, yes.
choicelady

7 days ago
BRB
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
On the bright side people.The R’s continue to be their usual tone deafness panderers.
Beatlex

7 days ago
Let’s remember that a Presidential election is a choice and if it’s a choice between a third Bush disaster of a Presidency and Hillary, I don’t think any amount of Koch money can convince a majority of voters to go to Bush Hell again.
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh – this is absurdness times over. It’s the Dems’ fault they don’t point fingers at the REAL culprits for the harm done to people.
choicelady

7 days ago
The Cape has such a rareified natural beauty. Many places do, but I think the Cape has it’s own combination.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
AdLib – I live in infinite hope you are correct. I don’t think people are THAT stupid, but hey…
choicelady

7 days ago
AdLib – I’m rooting for Cruz to be the GOP nom precisely to prevent anyone else seriously challenging the Dem.
choicelady

7 days ago
AdLib – I hope you’re right. But when I look at suppression tactics, I just hope Democrats will do whatever is necessary to vote. The other thing I worry about are the voting machines.
sabreen60

7 days ago
CL–I live in a republican state, and according to most of the comments that I read in the local paper, that is exactly the problem. The Dems won’t let the poor, persecuted christians discriminate; etc. These people are just blinded by hatred. It’s unexplainable, IMO. Even when a columnist makes rational, factual arguments, they never answer the points; they just come up with their debunked talking points, or make up even more bizarre comments.
glenn

7 days ago
What a joke Rand Paul is proving himself to be. The king of avoidance interview.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Consider that the Repub candidates are now on record for wanting to go to war with Iran, laws that legalize bigotry and taking away health care from 10 million Americans. That’s a winning platform to become President in 2016? I don’t think so.
adlib 7 days ago
CL I just kinda duct tape my jaw to keep it from hitting the tile floor whenever I watch some of these ridiculous interviews of real rural tbag people and not the fake ones like Duck Dynasty. holy shit.
Harleigh

7 days ago
I think the GOP is in for a real ass whoopin in 2016. They may have revelled in the midterm victories, but the persidential election is a whole different matter. The GOPers just can’t stop themselves from revealing their crazy. People are taking notice.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
AdLib – I think those Victorian values are over, and yes, if Dems actually VOTE, they won’t win. KT – Rand Paul is beyond amazing in his perfidy!!!
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph,THX,I hope it happens,but even then,the house fu++s everything up!
Beatlex

7 days ago
Does anyone think Rand Paul will even make it to the primary? Seems he steps on his crank every day. He walked out of an interview with the Guardian today. Rand “walkabout” Paul.
glenn

7 days ago
Beatlex _ We might even throw those suckers out. But it will take a concerted effort from the Dems, and I’m not sure they’re up to it. Bring back Howard Dean!!!
choicelady

7 days ago
AdLib – It’s not just Republicans. Schumer, Booker, Cardin and of course the sponsors of both bills are on the side of Boehner, the RWNJs and Netanyahu. We’ve had a campaign on Twitter to flood these Dems with our email, tweets and calls.
sabreen60

7 days ago
What a great word to describe Paul. He is a spolied little punk with a real sense of grandeur. A very false sense of grandeur.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
glenn – I’d be surprised if Rand gets anywhere.
choicelady

7 days ago
Sabreen – I have no idea if Schumer and Booker even notice. but they’d BETTER.
choicelady

7 days ago
Rand wants to dad, but better. Just like that little shit W.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Sabreen – Oddly, voting machine irregularities at least in 2012 weren’t much of an issue. It could happen in 2016 but the voter suppression tactics do need a great deal of attention.
adlib 7 days ago
Wants to BE dad.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT – I think Rand is seriously mentally ill.
choicelady

7 days ago
I am back. HI SABREEN
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
KT – I don’t think Ron Paul’s wrapped too tight either.
choicelady

7 days ago
Ad–the worry, I think, is legislators trying to change how the electoral college votes are counted in states. This is the big issue coming up, IMO, and I hope the press will cover it. I know Rachel Maddow is on it, but haven’t heard much from the “mainsream” press about it.
glenn

7 days ago
Hi everybody!
funksands

7 days ago
Hey Funk, how are you?
glenn

7 days ago
glenn – But the haters like you’re describing don’t represent a majority of Americans or electoral votes. So a Repub can win the Deep South and other dark red states but they are alienating the swing states that will give a Dem the victory.
adlib 7 days ago
He suffers under some very grand delusions, for sure. He can’t deal with the media at all, even when they are being mild in their questioning. He’ll never be able to handle the really tough questions that a presidential candidate is eventually confronted with.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
AdLib – that’s why on Twitter I press the point – if you know someone needing ID, take them, pay for it if you must, register them, then drive them to the polls. If each of us did that for one or two others, we’d have no problems.
choicelady

7 days ago
cl so if he is ill then how far over the fuckin edge is somebody like Carson or Cruz. holy shit!
Harleigh

7 days ago
Hello Funk
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Rand Paul is dagerous, he has the 16-year old libertarian vote locked up
funksands

7 days ago
CL – I think Schumer noticed. The day after Twitter bombed him, his “aide” made a statement about how good the bill is and how it will strengthen the Iran deal. Of course, it was bullshit, but he needed to say something. MoveOn, Credo and several Democratic organizations are fighting these backstabbers.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Hi Murph. How’s things?
funksands

7 days ago
Harleigh – I did not say I thought the others were sane!!! We have a boatload of deeply troubled candidates on the GOP side!
choicelady

7 days ago
Hiya Funk!
sabreen60

7 days ago
Hi Murph!
sabreen60

7 days ago
Hey kitty. How’s the Old Line State today?
funksands

7 days ago
Sabreen – Good point! I cautioned before about Schumer being a weasel when he was being mentioned to take over the leadership from Reid, he is such a corrupt and sell-out of a pol. He panders to Wall Street and big corps, he’s an adversary of Progressives.
adlib 7 days ago
Sabreen – that’s good to hear. I’m not a wild fan of MoveOn, but this is a very good campaign against Schumer’s treachery.
choicelady

7 days ago
CL you are really being polite about that lineup! LOL
Harleigh

7 days ago
KT–Speaking of not being able to handle media questions; did you all see where a KG teacher told Christie the other day that if he wants to run for President he’d better tone down the bully act? Loved it!
glenn

7 days ago
AdLib – I’ve met Schumer on choice issues (he’s very good there) and STILL thought you were spot on about him.
choicelady

7 days ago
Ted Cruz is just taking the place of Rick Santorum. Cruz will suffer the same fate. He is just too religiously fanatical and he doesn’t realize that that sort of religious fanaticism won’t go over for the young voter. His supporters are a dying breed, in their late stages of life.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Harleigh – I try to be polite. I TRY….
choicelady

7 days ago
Funk – How did you know that nickname. You ARE impressive smiley
sabreen60

7 days ago
Funk….good….I filled Ad Lib in on Ferguson at the start….and I had a meeting earlier this week with the leader of the Lysistrata Ladies (recall them in 2012, a group of GOP women tired of the GOP who worked with me on the election and were inspired by Lysistrata) – well she (and with a few others ) has convinced me to get Ready for Hillary.d
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
KT – I think it’s fascinating that Cruz’s idea of “the base” actually is the GOP fringe. The base is not that wacko for EVEN the GOP.
choicelady

7 days ago
KT–Ted Cruz says fact checkers are “yellow journalists”.
glenn

7 days ago
FUNK!!!! How are you?
choicelady

7 days ago
glenn – I just saw that about fact checkers. Still doubled over laughing!!!
choicelady

7 days ago
Sabreen, my mom lives in Maryland. I’m out there every once in a while
funksands

7 days ago
Hey Funk! I just heard that Rand Paul has also locked up this group of voters:
adlib 7 days ago
Hi Choice! Long time baby.
funksands

7 days ago
Rands first 3 interviews have exposed him as a very thin skinned person.Doesn’t sound like Presidential material,period.
Beatlex

7 days ago
Awww, they’re adorable!
funksands

7 days ago
AdLib!!! That is TOO FUNNY! laughing
choicelady

7 days ago
You all know how to make a Paultini? Its an interesting drink.
funksands

7 days ago
Ha! That’s a good point CL. I think that’s why Santorum didn’t go any further than he did. The GOP just refuses, in general, that their amassed ideology is being left behind by a natural, social evolution.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
1 oz of the finest bitters
funksands

7 days ago
Whoops, that image was a lot bigger than I thought it would be!
adlib 7 days ago
funk – I’ll bit – how do you make a Paultini
choicelady

7 days ago
2 oz of the finest Kentucky Bourbon
funksands

7 days ago
A splash of the finest brandy
funksands

7 days ago
1 gallon of battery acid
funksands

7 days ago
It really tastes good if you ignore the battery acid.
funksands

7 days ago
Paul and Christie as a ticket….both thin skinned and mean.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
So which K state voters are Krazier, Kentucky or Kansas?
adlib 7 days ago
funk!!! smiley
choicelady

7 days ago
CL – Nor am I. But I’m glad to see some of these Democratic organizations taking a stand. Never before has a President been denied the right to negotiate foreign policy. These backstabbers are going to screw everything up. You’ve got the majority of foreign policy wonks saying this Iran deal is a good deal. So why are these dudes siding with Netanyahu?
sabreen60

7 days ago
AdLib – why choose? Both are downhome NUTS!
choicelady

7 days ago
Funk–but doesn’t a Paultini run out the door when you spill it?
glenn

7 days ago
Ad, Kansas for sure.
funksands

7 days ago
A Paultini is made with a dose of inferiority, garnished with a sense of being better than dad, and a splash of incompetency.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Funk….did you see my post to you here.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Sabreen – I think people who call out the loyalty to Israel over the USA are spot ON.
choicelady

7 days ago
CL – Works for me!
adlib 7 days ago
Oh god Glenn, don’t spill it, you’ll eat a hole in your floor…
funksands

7 days ago
glenn – a Paultini if imbibed burns your guts out.
choicelady

7 days ago
KT–good one.
glenn

7 days ago
Just now Murph. Really? You in?
funksands

7 days ago
Funk–OMG, if it eats a hole in your floor, then better not drink it. I think I’ll stay on the “Obama kool-aid” as the cons say.
glenn

7 days ago
Ah ha, Funk, been holding out on me. And here I’ve been waiting for us to get together. wink
sabreen60

7 days ago
Choice, that too. It’s really just best to look at it.
funksands

7 days ago
The Paultini doesn’t help you feel better, or taste good. It just leaves you screaming in the darkness.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
For craziest state, what about Florida, Maine, Alaska and Arizona? Any competition with Kansas?
adlib 7 days ago
funk – the green, gaseous glow of a Paultini is awesome to behold!
choicelady

7 days ago
Kansas may just be in a class of their own.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
AdLib – Kansas is about to take the national lead in crazy.
choicelady

7 days ago
Sabreen, I’m game. I should be out there this summer/fall-ish to give the lady a visit. Where in MD are you?
funksands

7 days ago
funk – I’m coming your way in later July. Let’s coordinate if we can FINALLY.
choicelady

7 days ago
Choice, it really is delicious if you just ignore the acid. Everyone will tell you that
funksands

7 days ago
Floriduh has the most crazy. of anywhere
Harleigh

7 days ago
Funk….people in my life who I value are and I see no altenative. I want Molloy and Sanders and Chafee in the race for debate and issue widening but they will not be able to keep up with her….so I am in, not enthusiastic but committed.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
KT and CL – I think it’s a consensus, Kansas is the most insane state in the union.
adlib 7 days ago
Caution, a Pultini may leave you baying at the moon and wearing pubic hair on your head.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
funk – the first steps in the recipe were fine. Yup. Battery acid not so much.
choicelady

7 days ago
Don’t get my hopes up!!
funksands

7 days ago
Brownback is a real nutcase.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
AdLib – what can you expect from a state led by the man who anointed Rick Perry as God’s chosen for President in 2012?
choicelady

7 days ago
Sabreen–saw a headline today–didn’t have time to read the article–by Cenk Unygar (sp?) where he says the repubs will give PBO a free rein with war, but they want to oversee the peace! So true!
glenn

7 days ago
KT, that is awesome! LOL
funksands

7 days ago
funk – we’ll talk.
choicelady

7 days ago
Shore
funksands

7 days ago
Hey Funk! Good to see ya. Thanks!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
We’ll be around. Not doing any traveling that month. We never leave Seattle in July
funksands

7 days ago
KT, back at ya.
funksands

7 days ago
Funk – that should work. I’ll write you when we pin it down later this weekend.
choicelady

7 days ago
Harleigh – FL had the title for a long time but between Brownback’s Mountain (of BS) and slashing state services and the passage of anti-poor laws, it sure looks like the most failed and oppressive state in the nation.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph, it is hilary or nobody, there is nobody on the bench, on deck, in the dugout or the locker room. All the GOP has is crazytown.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Ad, I think Kansas will keep digging until the they get to 1890
funksands

7 days ago
funk, they are very close to hittin paydirt!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
funk – wasn’t the 1890s the Kansas heyday? Forward to the Past! The entire GOP slogan!
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph, I’m not committed yet. I have so many conflicting feelings about her candidacy that I simply pretend that it isn’t happening yet
funksands

7 days ago
Police Shootings….I like in a county in Mo. that has nary a one….now we have lots of crime and lots of “low lifes” but our sheriff’s deputies are excellent….some of the best police I have ever experience….I asked one of my friends who is a senior Deputy Sheriff how come. His answer: Our Sheriff. Careful selection of deputies. Good training. No Miiltarization. Precise Protocols. Retraining regularly. Community Policing as the Goal. AND careful psychological screening.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
glenn – I thnk that’s true. But the stupids don’t have a plan for who exactly will fight their war. They’ll have to bring back the draft.
sabreen60

7 days ago
CL – You mean God was defeated in the GOP primary when Perry dropped out? Those god-hating Republicans!
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh my logic as well.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph – that’s impressive!
choicelady

7 days ago
AdLib – They kind of didn’t mention it….
choicelady

7 days ago
Funk – Silver Spring, MD
sabreen60

7 days ago
Sabreen–I don’t think the stupids will be bothered if they have to bring back the draft, as long as their relatives don’t get drafted. And they’ll somehow write the law to be sure their relatives don’t get drafted.
glenn

7 days ago
AdLib – both Cruz and Rand were anointed as God’s chosen by Cruz’s daddy. Let’s see if this works any better…
choicelady

7 days ago
Funk – The way Kansas looks now, going to 1890 would seem like going Back to the Future for them.
adlib 7 days ago
Real savings could be realized by eliminating all red state welfare like socialist roads, snow removal, bridges, tunnels, clean water, sewage treatment, and flood control. All Medicaid, ACA HC, NIH, CDC involvement, food inspection, farm subsidies, SNAP, FEMA and EPA should be eliminated in those states along with money for fire, police and prison services. Most military installations in those states are total waste and need to be closed or consolidated into the blue states. The biggest waste of money in the red states is for education. While that spending has been greatly lowered the remainder could go to the richest 1% allowing all those 99% children to go work in factories or in warehouses or on the poison laden farms. Praise jebus!
Harleigh

7 days ago
ad, I think god had at least three in the running then. That supreme being has a wonderful sense of humor.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Murph, how much extra does that cost them in the budget? Do they talk about the financial cost or time cost of adhering to that admirable program?
funksands

7 days ago
“Covered Wagon? Where we’re going we won’t need covered wagons”
funksands

7 days ago
Good sentiment Harleigh,won’t happen though
Beatlex

7 days ago
Murph–that’s awesome about your sheriff’s department! Too bad departments like that don’t get more publicity.
glenn

7 days ago
Choice. The sheriff is retiring and the fear is that we are going to get a gung hoer who will want us to “catch up” with the rest of the region, which of course means joining them in their repressive measures.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Harleigh – Jesus has NOTHING to do with the Red State Dominionists! They’d lynch him in a Mississippi second, that damned zozializt.
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph – OMG I am sorry to hear that!
choicelady

7 days ago
Harleigh, just the thought of that gets you ramped up doesn’t it?
funksands

7 days ago
Harleigh–that should be your platform when you run for office!
glenn

7 days ago
Jesus, that dirty hippie communist/socialist
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Murph – Your sheriffs sound like real role models, walking the walk on serving the community and keeping the peace. Glad to hear it!
adlib 7 days ago
Murph, why wouldn’t one of the carefully screened deputies take over? Or is it an elected position?
funksands

7 days ago
Funk when you are not buying lots of heavy duty weapons and sending your people on survivalist training, the money is there.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Bias. Back in a second
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Smoke one for me KT
funksands

7 days ago
Harleigh – So what you’re saying is that we should let the red states change the Constitution so they can secede and go down the crapper? Works for me!
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh…..I like your logic….Red States should get their way….cut out ALL of the programs they object to.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Harleigh you’re onto something here – as with Right to Work I’m FINE with that so long as the idiots who do not join a union also get NONE of the benefits from the union. You think you’re hot shit? Bargain on your own, defend yourself on your own. If you hate gubmint in DC – take nothing. Sure – reduce your taxes but get NOTHING from the feds. And see how you like the Social Darwinistic existence you will get.
choicelady

7 days ago
X, is the fair 51st managing to resist the tide of toxic conservatism? I’ve heard that things are getting a bit squirrely up north.
funksands

7 days ago
Funk…elected and the Tea Party has been waiting for this.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
AdLib – they don’t even have to secede – they just have to live by their principles of NO benefits from DC.
choicelady

7 days ago
Glenn…the man is low key but deserving ofpraise.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Ah. Too bad.
funksands

7 days ago
CL – Er…you just applied the term “principles” to Republicans and my computer crashed.
adlib 7 days ago
cl agree 1,000%
Harleigh

7 days ago
I like Haleigh’s idea as much as the next guy, but we’ll need to start an underground railroad for the rational folk to get out and resettle
funksands

7 days ago
AdLib – I can see that. The better word is ‘delusions’. SORRY!!!!
choicelady

7 days ago
I wish Funk! I haven’t smoked any weed in over 5 years now. I sure do miss it.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ad….he is a good man who replace a fellow who though he was in the Old West and dressed the part…..this guy, in his 15th year models his office on the FBI.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph–wouldn’t it be nice if your sheriff could become a “consultant” to other police departments once he retires?
glenn

7 days ago
Whaaaa? KT, not even edibles? I get no smoking, but nuthin’? dizzy_face
funksands

7 days ago
Glenn….good idea.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Funk – Yep, that’s the fly in the ointment, all the good, conscientious people living in states dominated by Repubs, to hurt the state would mean hurting good folk.
adlib 7 days ago
Glenn, that is a good idea.
funksands

7 days ago
Nah funk. I wouldn’t even know where to get it these days. But I do intent to change that bleak scenario, soon.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
AdLib – yes, that IS the problem.
choicelady

7 days ago
I read a tweet that said the Civil War is not over. So if that’s the case, maybe those states should secede.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Ad, yeah most of fantasies end up with good people getting…. uh…
funksands

7 days ago
Murph – I don’t know that I say this too much about people in positions of power in red states but your sheriff seems very enlightened.
adlib 7 days ago
KT, come out to the west. Wide open skies, room to breathe, low humidity and legal weed.
funksands

7 days ago
Funk–with good people getting “clustermucked”?
glenn

7 days ago
Sabren – yesterday was the 150th anniversary of the surrender at Appomatox. I bet a lot of good ol’ boys were heavily drinking. I do with they’d leave, and we’d offer total sanctuary to those wanting to flee.
choicelady

7 days ago
Didn’t you say you wanted to be closer to your daughter? Is it your mom keeping you in the east?
funksands

7 days ago
Ad Lib. He is.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Glenn, I think I should just pass on that
funksands

7 days ago
No Murph, they south lost and they will continue to have sour grapes for years to come. At least until the old racist fucks die off and technology establishes itself.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
It is a good idea to secede the entire Texassissippianahomasas region for several reasons; 1. The average IQ of the remainder of the nation would go up at least 30 points. 2. The average median income would go up over $10,000. 3. The average educational level would go from 6th grade dropout to college level. 4. We would save hundreds of billions in waste on their education, welfare and infrastructure. 5. Their new kuntry could be called teabaggertopia, or Neojebusland or Concrapia maybe. The Texassissippianahomasas region has already been rejected by Mexico saying that accepting all those teabaggers in that region would greatly reduce their national standards.
Harleigh

7 days ago
“All Ah know is that Ah didn’t surrender to no Grant”
funksands

7 days ago
Funk We have an election coming,probably by October,There is hope that the Liberals will win,but Harper is cagey.And he has not managed the economy badly.So,it will be close
Beatlex

7 days ago
CL – Yeah. They said the surrender should never have happened.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Funk – But couldn’t we just give Repubs Kansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma and Idaho just for them and subsidize all reasonable people to move to a different state. Ah hell, let them have Arizona too.
adlib 7 days ago
All – I’ve said before, everyone should read “Confederate Reckoning” by Stephanie McCurry about how the Confederacy screwed WHITE people who were not rich. It’s a powerful book aimed at eliminating the mytholody. It hasn’t had nearly a wide enough audience.
choicelady

7 days ago
X, good luck with that. Harper is Koch North. He’s comparatively better than our lunatics, but he’s still bad news
funksands

7 days ago
Ad, HELL no. All they get is South Dakota and they’ll just have to like it.
funksands

7 days ago
Harleigh….you are TOO MUCH but I love it. So clever. How do you come up with this stuff.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
AdLib – I have friends in all those states, good people. They are frantic over the Red turns each is taking.
choicelady

7 days ago
Harleigh – laughing
adlib 7 days ago
Choice, VERY good point. I will check that out. I read a great piece on that a couple of years ago that really opened my eyes
funksands

7 days ago
“Concrapia” LOL
funksands

7 days ago
eventually, technology, the media and the rational thinkers and their adherents will kill the old south. That’s exactly what they are so afraid of. They see it coming. The question is, how long will it take? Not long, in my opinion. Not compared to pre-internet age.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
funk – I met Stephanie years ago. She is a powerful and wonderful writer.
choicelady

7 days ago
Okay folks, time to call it a night. I hope everyone has a good weekend. Take care and I look forward to chatting with you all soon.
glenn

7 days ago
KT – we said that about technology and the influx of northerners to do business in the “New South”. It did not work then. I am not sure it will work now.
choicelady

7 days ago
funk,yes,he is NOTHING like American conservatives,but he is beholden to differnt factions.And they are going backwards on our penal system
Beatlex

7 days ago
Good night, glenn – sleep well and have a wonderful weekend.
choicelady

7 days ago
Sabreen, my mom is about 30 miles N. of Baltimore, but I’m dropping into DC for a couple of days, SS is really close isn’t it?
funksands

7 days ago
Sorry, but I goot ago as well. g’night glenn and all.
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
Good night Glenn.Great conversation tonight.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Well Murph I am hoping for a Palin – Bachmann ticket because they think they can hear Jebus! It’s really just the bats in their heads asleep and snoring! They are a riot.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Night Glenn
funksands

7 days ago
G’day Pink
funksands

7 days ago
Goodnight OZ!
Beatlex

7 days ago
TaaaaTaaaa PPO.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Hi and goodbye, funk!
pinkpantheroz

7 days ago
nite guys
Harleigh

7 days ago
KT – Don’t forget either that with each year, more Repubs die out than are replaced while Latinos and others who vote Dem are growing in population. It is inevitable and just a matter of time that the GOP as we know it today will slowly die out, either to be replaced by a new moderate GOP (as Rand Paul is dishonestly trying to label himself) or as a shrinking minority party.
adlib 7 days ago
Beatlex – I lived in Sidney, NS for a time, and found that because their cable TV came from Detroit they all thought there was a huge crime wave. Actually – nothing at all happened there, but they got scared.
choicelady

7 days ago
Good night to all of you who are bailing! smiley Have a great week.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Good night PPO! See you soon I hope!
choicelady

7 days ago
Nite glenn!
adlib 7 days ago
CL, have faith. I think it is already starting to work. There has never been such easy access to info in the history of the world. A lot of the change will come about by the diminishing of so called religious truth. Young people today are increasingly turning away fro organized religion, and are beginning to think for themselves and/or exploring alternatives.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Night PPO!
adlib 7 days ago
KT, too many rational people moving into Alabama and Georgia for the good weather. Same in Texas. Soon only the truly benighted coal states are going to harbor the worst of us
funksands

7 days ago
AdLib – Rand is portraying himself as a MOD???? Well that escaped MY notice!
choicelady

7 days ago
KT – that[‘s true nationally, but I’m NOT sure it’s true in the deep south.
choicelady

7 days ago
Ignorance is what keeps people enslaved, and that surely includes mental slavery!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
It sure would help if we had a honest MSM instead of infotainers.
sabreen60

7 days ago
KT, sometimes a generation just needs to die off for permanent change to take place
funksands

7 days ago
I have faith CL. Faith in the power of reason.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
funk – those ‘coal states’ are actually doing some amazingly progressive stuff such as creating union worker coops. Biggest movement is in Cincinnati – Boehner’s turf – and is changing the world. They are light years ahead of the West.
choicelady

7 days ago
KT – I do, too, but I’m not feeling it for the deeply Red states.
choicelady

7 days ago
CL,interesting,I guess fear rubs off
Beatlex

7 days ago
CL really? On the surface they just seem be dragging themselves back into the dark, electing more and more odious candidates
funksands

7 days ago
Beatlex – it was a very odd experience to know what they thought and why – and to see the disconnect.
choicelady

7 days ago
True funk. The problem with most intransient bigotry is that it is passed down from parent to child, and community, but I think the internet will change that. Knowledge is power.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
CL – Yep, it’s the height of absurdity but yes, Rand Paul is touting himself as a moderate…when he’s not addressing RW conservatives. he’s trying to have it both ways, a moderate who hates gays and women’s right to choose and the Civil Rights Amendment. How will he get anyone to vote for him?
adlib 7 days ago
funk – the work on the ground is far better than anything at all in CA. FAR better. That’s how real change happens.
choicelady

7 days ago
Interesting
funksands

7 days ago
It will happen CL. It may take a decade or so, but it will happen. Reason and knowledge trumps bullshit, every time.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
I’ll just have to take your word for it.
funksands

7 days ago
AdLib – I agree – he’s making himself unelectable because he’s so dishonest.
choicelady

7 days ago
adlib,Rand has a fatal flaw for a pol,a thin skin!
Beatlex

7 days ago
funk – pretty soon I hope I will post about the work going on in northern even Red states to create worker ownership. It’s far better than ANY worker cooperatives we have in CA that are comprised of smug middle class people opting out – until they get bored.
choicelady

7 days ago
X, for sure. That will really wear him down quickly. No one likes someone who can’t handle themselves on the friggin Today show. If he’s a serious candidate, and I don’t think he really is, his “handlers” will set him straight
funksands

7 days ago
Found this….the Pau/Christy ticket.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
How can anyone in TX OK or KS explain their total stupidity! Gomert or any repub TX… Brownback buried KS…. they really are gonna get it bad.
Harleigh

7 days ago
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Rand walked out of an interview and then said it was CNN’s fault because they turned off the lights. laughing
sabreen60

7 days ago
So CL, do you think that this very low point in politics for the GOP is the end of the swing of the pendulum and it will begin swinging back against their low brow thinking and hatred? Or do we still have lower for them to go first? This 2016 primary should be a lower point than the GOP has ever sunken to.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph! laughing
choicelady

7 days ago
Rand makes the same mistake as Cruz makes. They both think they are the smartest people in the room. The reality is far from it.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ha!
funksands

7 days ago
AdLib – I do think this is the bottom of the swing, yes.
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph laughing too
sabreen60

7 days ago
TRUMP!!! LOL
Harleigh

7 days ago
AdLib – that said, I do NOT think they’re going without a huge fight!
choicelady

7 days ago
In what manner are they going to fight the truth, CL? I mean overwhelming truth.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Beatlex – True, I can’t wait until Rand is attacked in a debate and throws another hissy fit! He acts like such a little bitch to reporters, just a whiny jerk.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, I think it will be significantly worse. We are going to approach levels of insanity never seen before in modern politics
funksands

7 days ago
Anyone see Rachel tonight on the 1995 Amtrak disaster? The FBI are ramping up the investigation of domestic terrorism again – interesting.
choicelady

7 days ago
I have a neighbor who is a Big Time Paulini….he keeps trying to lure me in by saying that Paul is the “smart guys candidate” and he really believes it.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Ad, you’ve given Ted Cruz his new slogan: “Cruz 2016: I’m Not a Little Bitch”
funksands

7 days ago
Murph – well of course he does. He thinks HE is a smart guy. So it stands to reason that his candidate would be, too. Both, of course, are delusional!
choicelady

7 days ago
Ad, he is a pampered little shit that has had no real resistance in his life. He has certainly been shielded from the realities of life. He is already self destructing.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
funk! stuck_out_tongue
choicelady

7 days ago
CL…..good read on the matter.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph, a couple of my very good friends are rabid Paulites. I always tease them about it.
funksands

7 days ago
Funk – Heh! Love it!
adlib 7 days ago
Paul is so smart he created an organization so that he could certify himself.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Perry!!! and Santorum again!!??? LOL no way….. it can’t be that good.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Sabreen, maybe Newt could sell him an award!
funksands

7 days ago
Sabreen – Well, Paul is certifiable!
adlib 7 days ago
KT – I keep seeing Rand at the debate stamping his widdle footie in frustration!
choicelady

7 days ago
I think Jeb is the R’s best hope,Walker has a bad record in his state,the rest are clowns or are tainted in some way
Beatlex

7 days ago
i have to say, just in general, I liked the older version of VOX. It’s too hard to keep up with each new comment now.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
harleigh – take heart! Santorum can’t find a nickle’s worth of funding. He’s toast.
choicelady

7 days ago
Did anyone see Liz Warren on Maher tonight….she is so smart and so well spoken and so insightful.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
KT – it is all fast moving, but that’s due to us all writing so fast!
choicelady

7 days ago
Hmm…campaign slogans for GOP candidates…for Ted Cruz, “You Want Crazy? You Got Cruzy!”
adlib 7 days ago
CL, he’s already done it, but in a very less noticeable fashion. You are right though, it may come to that.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Randy told Maddow that he’s against the part of the Civil Rights Act that says private businesses cannot discriminate. Somehow, that’s a deal breaker for me.
sabreen60

7 days ago
AdLib – that is THE perfect Teddy slogan!!!
choicelady

7 days ago
Face it, Bush v. Clinton is the most likely outcome in the national election. And I want to stab my eye out over it. If THIS is the best our political system can produce after the untold carnage that both of those administrations wreaked, then we are se
funksands

7 days ago
cL, yeah, but the old format was easier to go back and see what was being written.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Sabreen – he’s carried that meme into so many realms. It’s all about the rights of private property – and personal liberty has NO place for him in that.
choicelady

7 days ago
CL dang! Maybe we could get Alan West to jump in! oh please jebus! I pwomise I’ll be good!
Harleigh

7 days ago
New doesn’t always mean better.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
-seeing a truly chronically ill electoral system. Another Bush? Another Clinton? After the carnage their administrations caused? Jeebus!
funksands

7 days ago
Harleigh!!! Do NOT encourage West please!!!
choicelady

7 days ago
Beatlex – But Bush is so disliked by Repubs and Dems alike, if he wins the Repub nom, the Repub base will be even more turned off than they were by Romney…handing the enthusiasm edge to Dems.
adlib 7 days ago
Sorry Ad, I know you worked hard on the new format, but I really think the older one worked better.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
CL – Or what about “Stone Cold Cruzy 2016!”
adlib 7 days ago
KT – the old one used to jam though. This is very fast but reliable.
choicelady

7 days ago
West is just as crazy but more unstable than Carson.
Harleigh

7 days ago
How about Stone Crazy Cruz?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT – Format? You mean for Vox?
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – another winner, AdLib! I see a great future for you in Cruz campaign slogans if you can control your gag reflex!
choicelady

7 days ago
KT – AdLib – maybe it’s my computer but this non stop rolling when people are typing is driving me to drink — more!
sabreen60

7 days ago
Holy crap the Mariners are getting killed
funksands

7 days ago
adlib,you are right,but who else from the right has a chance?
Beatlex

7 days ago
funk – you’re with us AND watching the Mariners? Wow – multitasking galore!
choicelady

7 days ago
I don’t know CL. It didn’t jam until the changes were being made. The transition was what caused the stalls.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
I’m spry
funksands

7 days ago
Funk – I feel you. Even though O’Malley is making noises, I really don’t think he has a chance.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Harleigh, for sure. Carson’s crazy, West is unstable
funksands

7 days ago
Exactlly Sabreen. It’s too fast. And it doesn’t always show up the next day for review.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Harleigh – I’m looking forward to a debate between Carson, Cruz, Paul, Fiorina, Perry…wow, I can’t stop smiling and I haven’t even named them all yet!
adlib 7 days ago
Sabreen, you like him? I like most of his positions, but what do you think of the guy? I get mixed reviews
funksands

7 days ago
Malloy, Sanders, and whoever else will be sparring partners for Hillary AND they will broaden the discussion.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Ad, that’ll give you material for the next 2 years
funksands

7 days ago
AdLib – Ahhhhh…Fiorina. I can’t wait to see “demon sheep lady” do her THANG.
choicelady

7 days ago
BBL – Hope you’re still here.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Murph, I sure hope so. That is ESSENTIAL
funksands

7 days ago
Sabreen – hope to see you but if not later then.
choicelady

7 days ago
adlib there’s like over 20 ‘possibles’! Run for the money and swing support at their cornvention.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Funk, I actually think that Malloy may be trying out for VP.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Exactly Murph. That’s why Sanders will be a good candidate. He. as an avowed socialist, will not be nominated, but he will bring much needed ideas to any debate….providing he will be allowed to debated.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
CL – Yep, the Demon She-ple! Fiorina is totally going for the Michele Bachmann “Crazy Lady” demographic.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph, O’Malley? Sure. Why not?
funksands

7 days ago
DId any of you see Maher tonight pledge one million to Liz Warren?
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
The republican field IS a joke! POPCORN!
Beatlex

7 days ago
Fiorina has been fired more than me, so she’s got one on me.
funksands

7 days ago
KT – I would like Sanders to run and be the voice of Progressives in the Dem Primary to hold Hillary’s feet to the fire on Prog positions.
adlib 7 days ago
No way! Really? Murph, I think it may be cause Bill is hot for her. Whatever it takes though.
funksands

7 days ago
Maher actually donated to Warren, or just said he will? He must know that she is not going to run, unless he has some sort of inside infor that the rest of us do not have.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ad, he sure seems to have cooled his jets over the last several weeks. My imagination?
funksands

7 days ago
Funk, the audience went wild….she is really pushing the economic justice issue and naming Hillary in it all.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Maybe the women at the beauty shop will tell carly ‘no chance in hell’, bitch. lol
Harleigh

7 days ago
I’ll have to watch that.
funksands

7 days ago
KT…he made the pledge to her when she was on the show IF she ran.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Fiorina is delusional if she thinks she’s got a chance in hell of the nomination. I think this is just job-trolling. She’s almost as bad as Trump
funksands

7 days ago
Funk, have you heard Fiorina’s campaign slogan? “You learn from failure and no one has learned more than me! Vote Fiorina for President!”
adlib 7 days ago
ad she may be able to crash everything better than bush!
Harleigh

7 days ago
So would I Ad. I don’t really think Hillary is the repub in disguise that a lot of people think. She is not Bill, I think she must see the world differently, just as a woman. That may be a good thing. Men have fucked up for millenia now. Maybe a woman could provide a more nuturing, yet hard approach. Hillary is no pussy, that’s for sure. She’s also no dummy.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ad….you are SOOOOO quick.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Funk – Bernie was on The Nightly Show this week and nearly announced he’s running for President, just said that if people expressed enough support for him to run, he would.
adlib 7 days ago

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funksands

7 days ago
funksands

7 days ago
KT….her language is less colorful than yours but my Lysistrata Lady friend said pretty much the same thing as you did.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Thanks Murph!
adlib 7 days ago
Funk, are you drawing a blank?
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Ad, he’s been saying that for some time now. I surely would like for him to throw his hat into the ring.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ad….very welcome…most deserved.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
funksands

7 days ago
Well Murph, I don’t know about the Greek reference, but I do think it’s time for the supposed most powerful nation on earth, to adopt a wee bit of the feminie touch.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
There ya go Funk! Homer? Are you putting him forth as a potential candidate?
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
KT – Hillary is more corporate and conservative than I favor so I will be looking for alternatives but if she gets the nom, I will fully support her over any Repub candidate.
adlib 7 days ago
Funk – Heh! Fiorina Flakes?
adlib 7 days ago
LMAO @ homer
Harleigh

7 days ago
KT, that I agree with. I just wish I could really believe that her actual policies are going to be different. Maybe I’m biased because of my low opinion of her husband
funksands

7 days ago
Lysistrata led a revolt of the women against the men to stop a war.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
KT – I think this is Bernie’s last chance to run. Even though he’d know he’d never beat Hillary, it’s his chance to make a difference and push Hillary over to his positions on a variety of issues. Sure hope he does run.
adlib 7 days ago
I would LOVE for a woman to win the Presidency. That desire is in constant conflict with who I perceive Hillary to be.
funksands

7 days ago
I’d still vote for over anyone the GOP trots out.
funksands

7 days ago
for *her*
funksands

7 days ago
Ad, I keep hearing that, but we have yet to see what she will do if elected. Every candidate that wins faces real eye openers once in office, and to Hillary’s favor, she has seen, first hand, what being in charhe at the west wing entails. No president is on their own. Look to the cabinet and her closest advisors both public and private.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Ad….Bernie is an idea guy….his record of legislative success is very small but it is his thinking that will push the bubble.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
I’m baaack!
sabreen60

7 days ago
Murph, Bernie has some really humanistic ideas and ideals. Both are equally important.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
I’m suspecting that my opinion of her is also colored by who she surrounded herself with in her last race. Scumbags and retreads. I’ve had enough of those thank you.
funksands

7 days ago
Well Hil was the first lady so dosen’t she already know the truth about the aliens?
Harleigh

7 days ago
KT….I like and admire Bernie.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Funk – Yep, I guess I too feel that Hillary seems to be more rebellious against the best of what women would offer as leaders. Instead, she is a war hawk, a friend to corporations and Wall Street and willing to compromise principles to get what she wants. Just like any male politician. Elizabeth Warren on the other hand…
adlib 7 days ago
funk, it’s never good to presuppose. She may surprise you.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
And the grassy knoll
funksands

7 days ago
KT, that comment cuts both ways
funksands

7 days ago
Who else in the dem party has a chance at winning. If we don’t win, we can’t accompish much at all.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Welcome back, Sabreen!
adlib 7 days ago
She certainly was a better SOS than I thought she’d be. As a matter of fact I thought she was pretty damn good.
funksands

7 days ago
Really funk? please explain?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
funk I’m going with the drain cover on that one! LOL
Harleigh

7 days ago
She can also surprise to the negative.
funksands

7 days ago
I want to trust Hillary. But…..I have a bitter taste. She’s done a lot of shit. Plus she’s hawkish.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Of course, but what is the alternative? Who is the alternative? Let’s be real here.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT, no doubt. You don’t even have to try to convince me of that. If she wins the primary, I’ll vote for her against any of the ass-clowns the GOP puts up.
funksands

7 days ago
I’d vote for her husband against any of those yahoos for that matter
funksands

7 days ago
The Hillary Alternative……
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
One thing that’s plain about Hillary is that she isn’t a Progressive, she’s a DLCer like Bill, corporatist Dems. If she is elected, Progs will have an ongoing battle to push her to support their positions, one that they could win in many cases but she won’t be a crusader for Progressive values on her own.
adlib 7 days ago
Thanks AdLib. Hillary was a member of “C Street”, too.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Sabreen – That’s one of the scariest things about Hillary, the C Street connection.
adlib 7 days ago
Sabreen, I am not a hawk, by a long stretch, but I will say that the world IS a dangerous place, and not filled with peace loving people. A certain amount of fight has to be present in our dealings with the rest of the world. Look at the national symbol. The eagle with olive leaves in one claw, and arrows in the other. This is the reality of the world. I don’t think Hillary would ever make the same disasterous blunders that bush and cheney did. She is much, much smareter than they were/are.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
From listening to President Obama’s supporters on blogs and twitter, if Hillary distances herself from him, she won’t be able to count on their $$$.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Sabreen, I think that is just a threat. In the long run. it will come down to dem money and repub money and any grass roots contributions they can get. The dems always have to rely more on grass roots contributions.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT – She did vote to go in Iraq. And I’m not so sure she would have worked as hard as PBO on diplomacy with Iran. Of course, I don’t know that, but I do have doubts.
sabreen60

7 days ago
KT – It’s not a threat with me. If she disrepects the President and all the good this administration has accomplished, she won’t get a dime from me. She won’t need my dime, anyway. She’ll all the big time Democratic corporate donors.
sabreen60

7 days ago
KT – I think Obama’s interest in peaceful negotiations with Iran sure beats Hillary’s 2008 campaigning on, “Hillary Clinton, in her most bellicose comments since the presidential race began 15 months ago, yesterday threatened to “totally obliterate” Iran if it launched a nuclear strike against Israel.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/23/hillaryclinton.iran
Obliteration threat to Iran in case of nuclear attack
Hillary Clinton makes her most bellicose comments since the start of the presidential race

adlib 7 days ago
Isn’t C Street the outfit that thinks jebus is living in a pyramid in the moon?
Harleigh

7 days ago
funksands

7 days ago
wink
funksands

7 days ago
AdLib – Here’s the thing. Iran doesn’t have nukes, but Israel does. So all this hype about Iran nuking Israel is just stupid.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Sabreen – Remember that shortly after Hillary left SoS, she started dissing Obama. So, I wouldn’t count on her to stand by Obama during the campaign, instead, claim that he represents “change” from Obama which would diss him and his supporters more.
adlib 7 days ago
Sabreen, they were all lied to about Iraq. Obama wasn’t even in Congress to vote, at the time. This always bothered me about Obama’s claim to be against the decision to invade. He was never faced with actually being on record at the time. Don’t get me wrong. I like president Obama, but that was a purely political move on his part, and he is, after all is said and doe, a politician.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Harleigh – That and worse! They believe that they are entitled to wealth and power and everyone else is beneath them.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, at this point, as far as 2016 goes, Obama is pretty much irrelevant, as far as campaigns go.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Funk – laughing
adlib 7 days ago
KT, I certainly don’t agree with that. I think he’s going to loom pretty large. Anyone that pulls a 2000 Gore with Obama is going to get similar result IMO
funksands

7 days ago
Ad, I agree with that.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT – There were Democrats in Congress who didn’t vote for the Iraq war. Therefore, I’ll take PBO at his word when he said he was against the war.
sabreen60

7 days ago
ad that’s a total whackdoodle group! Hill is in that club!? no way…. say it ain’t so….
Harleigh

7 days ago
Funk, I don’t think it will matter that much. Those who judge Hillary by Bill or Obama, will be making judgements that are spurious at best.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Sabreen – Which is part of the big lie that Netanyahu has been pushing as well. MAD prevents Israel from ever being nuked. Hillary knew that too but to pander to the pro-war Repubs, she said that disgusting thing.
adlib 7 days ago
Still here…just reading the discussion……leaning from it.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
If PBO wanted to be politically correct, seems to me he wouldn’t have taken a position on the war one way or the other. “The following is a transcript of the remarks then-Sen. Barack Obama delivered in Chicago on Oct. 2, 2002. In his speech, Obama said that what he was opposed to was “a dumb war … a rash war.” He said the war was a “cynical attempt” to shove “ideological agendas down our throats” and would distract from domestic problems such as poverty and health care.”
sabreen60

7 days ago
KT – I too would say that Obama will be a very huge topic in the 2016 race. Obamacare, Iran, financial regulations, immigration, the Repubs will be trying to portray Hillary as Obama and I fear Hillary will attack Obama to distance herself from him. That will cost her in enthusiasm and contributions from an important and powerful segment of the Dem base.
adlib 7 days ago
ad that’s certainly a possibility
Harleigh

7 days ago
In 2014 most of the Democrats who ran away from PBO lost.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Ad, the smartest thing she’ll do, (and she’s doing it already) is embrace the sensible moderate positions he’s taken and then expand on how she’ll do even better
funksands

7 days ago
She’s going to be running on the tail end of some positive news, even if it is a lot of glossy veneer
funksands

7 days ago
sabreen just brought to mind tammy Grimes. boy she blew it.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Harleigh – Yep, it’s a serious problem for many folks when it comes to Hillary. “In the September 2007 Mother Jones, Sharlet and Kathryn Joyce reported that Hillary Clinton (pictured at the 2009 National Prayer Breakfast) has been active in Bible-study and prayer circles affilated with the Family. Writing in The Nation, Barbara Ehrenreich reported that Clinton described Family leader Doug Coe as “a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God.”

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106115324
‘Family’: Fundamentalism, Friends In High Places
In the book The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power, author Jeff Sharlet examines the power wielded by the secret Christian group known as The Family or The Fellowship.

adlib 7 days ago
Hillary has no choice….she will be joined to Obama’s admin at the hip by the GOP….it is champion his agenda or lose his loyalists’ enthusiasm while gaining no additional support from another group.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
True Sabreen, but overall, everybody was lied to. Hillary is not a pacifist, that’s for sure. I don’t want a pacifist as commander-in-chief. I do want a president who has accurate intel and the ability to know when it is best to stay out of a conflict or to engage in one. Histrory has proven Iraq was a huge mistake, but the lie was that it wouldn’t be a war. The lie was that it would be over in “six day, six weeks, or six months.” The lie continued by claiming that the Iraqis would greet us as liberators, and Iraqi oli would pay for the “war.” The whole thing was sold on a pack of lies. The absolute pacicifist congress people voted no. They were right, as history has shown, but I do not blame Hillary, or condemn her for wanting to protect the US. She was wrong in her decision. That doesn’t make he a hawk. Look at what she has done as Secretary of State.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
I am really curious to see where she lands on the TPP
funksands

7 days ago
TTP?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Funk – True but I don’t take for granted that Hillary will do the most sensible thing, sure hope she does instead of panicking and trying to throw Obama to the wolves.
adlib 7 days ago
TransPacific Trade Partnership
funksands

7 days ago
Ad, why, at this point, would she do that?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Thanks funk!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Harleigh – Absolutely, Grimes imploded when she wouldn’t admit voting for Obama, That was the end of her, how incredibly cowardly and stupid of her.
adlib 7 days ago
Unfortunately, all we’re going to get is Interminable Vince Foster and Benghazi questions
funksands

7 days ago
People do realixe, that global trade IS good for us? It may eliminate some jobs, but it creates many others. Global trade is good for the overall economy of the US. It’s a changing world folks.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
adlib,for sure,Grimes blew it big time
Beatlex

7 days ago
ad she even talked bad about the ACA that was a godsend to that pathetic state I lived in 40 years ago! LOL
Harleigh

7 days ago
Murph – I agree but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk that Hillary will end up embracing her association with Obama and pointing out all the good, she may try to cut and run and try to position herself as “change” from Obama. Hope not.
adlib 7 days ago
Murph, I totally agree. I can name at least 4 pretty large blogs plus tweeter where PBO’s supporters are not sitting on their hands when comes to issues or individuals. They tore Schumer a new one on Twitter for backstabbing PBO. The man won twice with millions of votes. He’s got a lot of supporters out their. And people shouldn’t sell them short.
sabreen60

7 days ago
“out there”
sabreen60

7 days ago
Wayne LaPierre, the executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, focused more of his Friday speech at his group’s annual convention on attacks against likely presidential candidate Hillary Clinton instead of gun rights.He went through all of her “scandals” and jined them to “gate” This willbe teh GOP playbook.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
KT – Because she might decide, like many Dems who ran in 2014 (and lost), that it’s easier to try and run away from Obama than defend him and his policies. Of course, that simplistic thinking proved disastrous for Dems in 2014, hope Hillary has learned from when she first left SoS and began dissing him, that it’s the wrong strategy.
adlib 7 days ago
More moderates than liberals voted for Obama. Someone should remember that
funksands

7 days ago
Self-described ‘moderates’ and “liberals” I should say
funksands

7 days ago
Harliegh, I tried to sign up for the ACA, and found out that may best price was 290 bucks a month. That, in my case is not affordable, in the least. I only get 1260 a month. I’d have to seriously cut down on food if I were to pay that much. Fortunately I am a veteran and get my healthcare from the VA.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Not sure why. Just seems like something to remember
funksands

7 days ago
KT – that makes NO sense since it is pegged to your income. Someone’s leading you astray.
choicelady

7 days ago
Harleigh – That’s the thing about image vs. the real person, Grimes’ image was great but deep down, she’d wasn’t principled or wise, just another paandering politician who was sunk by her own desperation.
adlib 7 days ago
AdLib – As I said 2014 should be a lesson to Democrats. We always manage to shoot ourselves in the foot. Why do some Democrats think that liberals will vote for Republican lite? Grimes not only denied Obama, she didn’t even want to admit she was a Democrat.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Ad, I really don’t see her doing that. I think she is much smarter than that. She’s not running for the junior senator of house rep.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Sabreen – Grimes tried to play it safe, only played it stupid.
choicelady

7 days ago
Guys, I gotta bail. Thanks so much for the great convo! KT I really appreciate you driving it. I really enjoyed your perspective and learned something from it as well.
funksands

7 days ago
Ad, thanks for hosting, have a great saturday folks
funksands

7 days ago
later funk
Harleigh

7 days ago
‘Night funk! Have a good weekend.
choicelady

7 days ago
Murph – I think that bringing up Benghazi and decades old Hillary scandals will backfire on the GOP. That will only turn the public against them for mudslinging. When Hillary is being pummeled, as with Bill, that’s when they elicit the most support.
adlib 7 days ago
Ad, we also can’t discount her campaign managers and staff. I will admit that she didn’t run a very good campaign the last time, but I think she is also a person that learns from her mistakes. We can’t confuse her ability to win with her ability to govern.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Sure thing, Funk! Have a great weekend!
adlib 7 days ago
OUTSTANDING DISCUSSION YOU ALL….thank you.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Funk – 66 million voted for PBO in 2012. I don’t think the far left may have voted in huge numbers. But I’m not even sure what “moderate” Democrats are. I classify Democrats as far left, pragmatic, and Blue Dogs.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Vince Foster was responsible for Benghazi!
Harleigh

7 days ago
good night all – had a homeless guy looking for something to eat, and it did me in. Talk to you next week I hope!
choicelady

7 days ago
Sabreen – You said it all. Grimes didn’t run as a proud Democrat, she ran as an ashamed Democrat. Who did she think would vote for that? Not Dems or Repubs.
adlib 7 days ago
Harleigh – I’ve always suspected Vince of Benghazi
choicelady

7 days ago
Damn Harleigh! You solved the most important question int he entire history of the world! LOL.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Night CL – Very cool of you! See you next Vox!
adlib 7 days ago
nite CL
Harleigh

7 days ago
Nite, choice…..
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Good night everybody!
choicelady

7 days ago
Same to you, Murph!
adlib 7 days ago
Aren’t progressives supposed to look more to the future than the past?
killgoretrout

7 days ago
I’m out to folks. Good night everyone. Take care.
sabreen60

7 days ago
Grimes should be a lesson for Hillary.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Sweet dreams Sabreen!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
nite sabreen, i’m right behind you!
Harleigh

7 days ago
why does eveydody think Hillary is being so slow to announce? I think it is very smart of her and her campaign managers.
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Grimes is a good lesson for all democrats.
Harleigh

7 days ago
Time forme to pack it in as well….Good night, great discussion tonight!
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Have a good night Murph!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
KT – I don’t know that yet about Hillary, I hope you’re right. But the fact that she played the race card and the war monger card and the lying about being shot at in Bosnia card and the “I’ll undermine the Primary winner with Superdelegates” card gives me pause.
adlib 7 days ago
Night Sabreen!
adlib 7 days ago
later murph
Harleigh

7 days ago
Night Harleigh!
adlib 7 days ago
Seeya Murph!
adlib 7 days ago
nite folks
Harleigh

7 days ago
We had major flooding this week and I am doing a lot of rapair work so I am pooped.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph – Best of luck with the repairs!
adlib 7 days ago
I think I will call it a night, as well. Thanks for the great conversation folks. Nobody has beaten a good night on VOX here at the Planet. Thanks to all!
killgoretrout

7 days ago
Same here, KT, relly enjoyed it!
adlib 7 days ago
really
adlib 7 days ago
Wishing you all good weather…..whether that be rain or shine (different needs, different speeds)
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Murph – We’ll take all the rain we can get!
adlib 7 days ago
And I could take a little sunshine for afew days but more rain to follow…..wanting it both ways.
murphthesurf3

7 days ago
Goodnight Planet! It was edifying
Beatlex

7 days ago
WIll send you some of our sun for some of your rain!
adlib 7 days ago
A great convo tonight indeed, Beatlex! have a great weekend!
adlib 7 days ago
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Beatlex

7 days ago
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My motto is, "It is better to have blogged and lost hours of your day, than never to have blogged at all."

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