Hysteria MSM

Okay, hold onto your hats for today’s MSM downpour of crap (hope it’s a wide-brimmed waterproofed one!). Now, I know this will chill you to the marrow of your bones but an ISIS supporting cyber group or individual hacked Centcom’s YouTube and Twitter accounts! Like all top secret social media accounts held by military agencies, the data compromised included angry faced cats and tweets about Kim Kardashian’s bicycle seat. Who knows how many undercover, popcorn eating hamsters’ lives are in danger now because of this devastating hack?!

And how could this happen with the military grade security of YouTube and Twitter?! As we all are aware, YouTube and Twitter accounts have never, ever, been hacked before! This unprecedented attack on two social media websites that only displayed public information is terrifying…at least that’s what the MSM news channels told me today. In fact, here is a video approximation of their sober reporting on this critical event:

And of course you know about the horrendous, unconscionable act that happened in France so recently. Yes, President Obama didn’t attend the huge march in France this weekend in response to the terrorist attacks against Charlie Hebdo. As horrible as the act of murdering innocent cartoonists in cold blood to silence free expression is, Obama’s not marching is clearly worse and sends a signal that he supports that terrorist act and more in the future. By his not marching, America has learned that their President is indeed a Muslim Extremist who is working toward the goal of an Islamic Caliphate! His administration may make lame excuses about not having time to prepare the necessary security measures in Paris for such a Presidential visit or how security for the President might have intruded on the freedom of the French to protest in their own country in as unfettered a way as possible but we can all recognize the truth here…as we’re told to by our corporate news channels.

Clearly, anyone who wanted the world to be fooled into thinking he opposes terrorism would of course take the actions he has, he’d try to end Guantanamo, put a stop to state-run torture programs, stand up to Russia after the Ukraine invasion, bomb Gaddafi and ISIS…such a clever ruse but we see right through you Mr. President! You may take actions that hurt terrorists but brief political gestures speak louder than long term and effective actions, you know that Mr. President!

The MSM has rightly concluded two things in the news today. First, the U.S. military and the entire country by extension has suffered a profound attack today by ISIS-aligned terrorists through the hacking of their social media accounts and as was just reported, a variety of crank phone calls to the Pentagon receptionist that ask if “I. P. Nightly” is there. Second, by not joining the anti-terrorism march in France, Obama has made it clear that he hates the French, loves terrorism and wants the world to descend into an Apocalyptic landscape where it’s not only dog eat dog but it’s dog won’t attend other dog’s marches (H/T Woody Allen).

Where would we be without our vigilant Corporate News channels and outlets. Maybe a bit more informed and less fearful but what profit is there in that?

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pinkpantheroz
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Here’s a thought, on a slightly lighter side. As far as I am aware, there are no paintings or depictions of Mohammed, as it is against Islamic law to depict humans. Which begs the question – does ANYBODY know what Mohammed actually looked like? And, if not, how can someone claim that a cartoon of a vaguely Middle-Eastern-looking person is depicting The Prophet Himself?
I mean, it works in Christianity as well, doesn’t it? I never knew Jesus had blue eyes, Him being Jewish and all. Nor was He black in Africa, Hispanic in South America and Asian-looking in Asia. But there He is, in all shapes and colors. Makes one think that religion can be a right load of old bollocks, sometimes.

Nirek
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PPO, I prefer to think of God as (Mother Nature). All you need to do is look at the splender of nature. When I’m in the woods and see deer, turkeys, squirles,and other critters I know Mother Nature did a wonderful job.

pinkpantheroz
Member

A beautiful concept, Nirek and so true. You only need to see Nature’s wonders to believe there is a something who is bigger than us. I believe in God, but not the way man has deemed it necessary to portray him, nor use the Deity as an excuse to control their fellow mankind.

KillgoreTrout
Member

Not to be a killjoy (no pun intended) here, but Nature can also be ugly and cruel. Babies born with physical mutations and defects, children who get terminal cancers, deadly climate events, earthquakes….etc.

There is duality all through Nature. I DO love the indescribable beauty of Nature though. When we think about it, it’s all we have. We ourselves ARE Nature, at least a part of it. To realize this, in my humble opinion, is the basis of spirituality.

Fergie1
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Fergie1

Excellent article Ad. The marches in France were a powerful image of solidarity. Now if only that can translate into real change for people to live together under true Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité. Something has to be done not just in France but globally. Some of these barbaric acts are caused by madmen who are able to garner support from those who are downtrodden by poverty and inequality and in some cases education (although the latter is not the biggest reason). You can have all the education in the world but if you are not treated equally by being employed that’s not much good to you.

But freedom of the press cannot be silenced by madmen. I may not agree or like the publication which satirizes ALL religions and ideologies but I defend their right to say it.

As far as Obama not being at this march……what a non story. I can see the headline now ; ” Obama walks with leaders of countries that jail journalists.”
A few examples:
Prime Minister Davutoglu of Turkey, which imprisons more journalists than any other country in the world.
Foreign Minister Shoukry of Egypt, which as well as Al Jazerra staff has detained journalist Shawkan for around 500 days.
Foreign Minister Lavrov of Russia, which last year jailed a journalist for “insulting a government servant”
President Keita of Mali, where journalists are expelled for covering human rights abuses.

I could go on but that gives the idea.
I also think that the WH apologizing for not sending someone like Biden or Kerry is just something they have to do so the story doesn’t take on a life beyond it’s use by date.

pinkpantheroz
Member

You’ve said it better than I did, Fergie! Good to see you again. Oh, and BTW, the American Ambassador WAS there, representing ALL of the USA.

Fergie1
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Fergie1

Oh I don’t know about saying it better than you PPO. Thank you for the compliment but I think you did a fine job yourself of pointing out just exactly how these world leaders were ‘heading the march’. Well done for bringing it to our attention here.

It was the ordinary citizens of France who did march who showed true solidarity and authenticity.

Kalima
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Well said Fergie and satire has been a part of the culture for hundreds of years in Europe. You either like it or you don’t, and if it offends, don’t look at it or listen to it. We have that choice.

No murdering thugs with guns will take away the freedom of the press, we have fought too long for freedom of expression, it is what makes a democracy work, and blaming the victims is as appalling as it is senseless.

No one deserves to die at the hands of some raving lunatic for something they wrote, said or drew. No one.

Three articles I posted on MB yesterday. The first from a prominent, outspoken Muslim woman who recently retired from politics.

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Charlie Hebdo killers offend Islam more than satirical cartoons, Baroness Warsi says

Britain’s first Muslim peer says that while she finds cartoons satirising her religion ‘unsavoury’ and ‘offensive’ they must not be avenged through bloodshed

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11338137/Charlie-Hebdo-killers-offend-Islam-more-than-satirical-cartoons-Baroness-Warsi-says.html

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Far too many Western Muslims speak of freedom as a sin

Muslims who have never known real freedom yearn – and die – for human rights

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/far-too-many-western-muslims-speak-of-freedom-as-a-sin-9971118.html

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Paris attacks: These troubled men who project their self-hatred on others

Murderers, like the Paris terrorists, are drawn to a toxic identity which equates masculinity with violence

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/paris-attacks-these-troubled-men-who-project-their-selfhatred-on-others-9970229.html

Fergie1
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Fergie1

Hello and thank you Kalima. I absolutely concur with your comment as well. Also thank you for re-posting the links to the above articles. Sayeeda Warsi’s comment is spot on.

Kalima
Admin

Hello Fergie. The thing I don’t understand when the victims are blamed for their cartoons is, so what did the trainee policewoman, the Muslim police officer pleading for his life on the cold pavement,
and the four Jewish men in the supermarket do to insult their prophet?

Yes, Baroness Warsi’s article was very powerful. Good for her!

Oh, by the way, thank you so much for reading the articles.

pinkpantheroz
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I see the screaming media didn’t report what the Indpendent in UK did – that the leaders didn’t March at all. It was a photo op in a side street blocked off entirely by Security. Check it out and the tweets!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-march-tv-wide-shots-reveal-a-different-perspective-on-world-leaders-at-largest-demonstration-in-frances-history-9972895.html

Nice to know that POTUS wasn’t sucked in to anything. Also, it is laughable that many of the ‘World Leaders” allegedly marching have less-than-stellar records of Press Freedom. From the above report:

“Yesterday it was observed that nine of the countries represented by leaders and dignitaries in the march for press freedom are themselves in the bottom third of the World Press Freedom Index, compiled by Reporters Without Borders.”

Kalima
Admin

Exactly pinkpantheroz. Let’s not forget that François Hollande is the most unpopular president in recent history, although many would say “ever”, so photo ops are being used as a political boost too. When things calm down or the next attack is foiled, he will still be the most unpopular president on record.

The President of the United States being there might have been the icing on the cake politically for Hollande, but it won’t stop further terrorist attacks in Europe. The GOP jumping on this to disgrace the WH and the President, are actually disgracing America as usual.

kesmarn
Admin

Well done, AdLib! And the graphic is one of the best ever.

Isn’t it amazing that Roger Ailes and FOX “News” are so sensitive these days? So exquisitely tuned in to the sensibilities of the citizens of France? One would scarcely believe that a mere 12 years ago, when they were drumming up support for Dubya’s misguided Iraq war, those same citizens were “cheese-eating surrender-monkeys who begged to be driven to the nearest mall so that they could give themselves up to the nearest security guard.” Yes, FOX… you’ve come a long way.

In the wrong direction.

The real offense to the French people comes from hate-mongering people like Ailes and Rupert Murdoch — who had a large hand in propagating the Iraq war in the first place. Talk about an event that radicalized thousands!

Now that’s offensive.

KillgoreTrout
Member

Fuck the media! Can any of us really put stock in anything they say these days? This whole bloody incident was NOT a matter of state.

Je Suis New York? Je Juis Boston? Je Suis a hundred other almost nameless horrible events?

What is the message here? Is it Islam be damned? Is it anti-free speech be damned? Just what can we rightly take away from all of this?

Do we have the right to step into the tiger’s cage and dare to be eaten? Of course we do! Is that a smart thing to do? No, absolutely not!

I cannot find any justification for the crying and wailing that is directed toward or in support of either party. Not the terrorists, for sure, but not the cartoonists either. The cartoonists and the publication they worked for knew. They knew the possible ramifications
of what they were doing.

Yes, it’s great that millions of people are coming out against murder and terrorism. But, ask yourself, is that anything new in a moral spectrum? Do any of us think this will stop the fanatics from killing more and more people? Really?

Taunting the “enemy,” will do nothing to lessen their desire to kill us. I don’t know if there is any strategy to stop violent extremism. These terrorists are losers! They are unhappy in their own lives, and pissed off at the world in general.

Should the president of the United States of America bend and stoop to every act by these idiots? No, hell no! That would only legitimize the acts of these LOSERS!

jjgravitas
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jjgravitas

It’s natural for the GOP top criticize our POTUS for missing out on the French photo-op, since meaningless posing is the only thing the GOP has any talent for. Old Dubya was always out of town posing for this or that, while our economy crashed and government debt skyrocketed to record levels, thanks to the two wars he started based on extremely sketchy information.

Nirek
Member

Yup, he should have had Holder march with all those world leaders. The WH even said they missed the chance to do so. Big deal. We did send help in the way of information. What more is needed?

On a slightly different subject; Mitt Romney wanted to get the GDP growth to 5% by 2016, Obama beat that by two years!
Paul Ryan wanted to get unemployement down under 6% by 2016, it is now, two years sooner!
Newt said he would get gas prices down below $2.50…

Since Obama has achieved all the republican goals, does he get credit? Not from the GOP, he should have been at a march in France instead of taking care of business!

KillgoreTrout
Member

Kudos Ad! Your wit and timing, not to mention sweat, never disappoints. Congrats my friend! 😉

MurphTheSurf3
Editor

The White House made a big mistake. Kerry should have been there. Holder was already there. I agree that sending Obama or Biden requires too much leg work in ordinary circumstances and in this case it would have been even more onerous for an already besieged Secret Service. Still Kerry and Holder would have been a no brainer. Yes, he would still have been criticized but his defense would have been easy to make and sell.

This does happen with the Obama WH and it plays to Barack’s core- he is a person whose focus is on the business of doing government. In this he is adept. But he too often misunderstands the importance of optics (not a lot, but enough in the hyper-hating Obama world of DC). Why does he do that. I think the French understood and did not make a lot of it given U.S. support and assistance in their intelligence efforts and in personal contact with Obama and his principal deputies.

BUT….how could he or his staff have missed that this was putting his chin out and begging the right to slug away.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/01/12/376673566/kerry-announces-paris-trip-brushes-off-criticism-on-missing-march

KillgoreTrout
Member

Murph, I completely disagree. Nobody deserves to be murdered for creating and publishing any words, cartoons or “works of art.” I mean nobody.

But what happened here did nothing to promote peace or democracy between nations or ideologies.

This whole nasty business reminds me of children on a playground. The bullies and those who taunt them. How long before mankind wakes up and starts using his/her brains and not their over-excited hearts? Attacking the religion, any religion, accomplishes nothing. And doing so in such a provocative way does not work.

Did the world not realize that these extremists were fucking crazy to begin with? Yeah, it’s fantastic that several million people have said ENOUGH! But, I ask, what will change? Will the families of the slain be comforted in the long run? Will they still be able to speak with, dine with, plan for the future with their slain loved ones.

What price glory?

KillgoreTrout
Member

Just to add, none of these recent events measures up to any democratic or progressive ideal!

Progress does not favor the taunters or their executioners!

MurphTheSurf3
Editor

Actually my post was far narrower- should the WH have sent an official emissary to the march that had almost every major government represented by one of their big names. I have not read anything to indicate that the U.S. government had any hesitation in supporting the march and rally- our ambasador was there. So this was a slip up and an unforced error.

Now, as to the cause….I agree with your assessment but…

I stand with Voltaire who said that he could disagree wholeheartedly with what a person has to say while fighting to the death for his/her right to say it.

I stand with Robert Bolt’s Man for All Seasons that provides some more context:

At one point Thomas More’s future son-in-law, Roper, urges him to arrest Richard Rich, whose perjury will eventually lead to More’s execution. More answers that Rich has broken no law. Roper wants him arrested anyway and the following dialogue ensues:

Roper: So now you’d give the Devil benefit of law!

More: Yes. What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

Roper: I’d cut down every law in England to do that!

More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country’s planted thick with laws from coast to coast — man’s laws, not God’s — and if you cut them down — and you’re just the man to do it — d’you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake.

KillgoreTrout
Member

My point was that god and the devil be damned! You can quote Voltaire and several others and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference to the reality at hand!

We don’t live in the 1800s or the 1700s. People who ask for retaliation and those who readily give it are equally WRONG!

If you want to dredge up old, dead philosophers, I’ll take Nietzsche, every time! He looked down on master and slave alike! I look down on provocateur and avenging angels!

MurphTheSurf3
Editor

The issue for me is who decides what is provocation. The efforts of the Civil Right Press in the 1950’s and 60′ in the South was condemned as race-baiting, insurrectionist, and purposely provocative…..the force of Southern law and order sought to silence those voices. Among the persist in doing this was a set of DA’s in Alabama who particularly did not care for this Dr. King (who was, they said, a communist). It was a superior court judge in that state who ended their efforts saying that the suppression of free expression was fundamentally unamercan and that how much one hates the message does not factor in. He then said that he regarding the entire civil rights movement as so much horseshit.

KillgoreTrout
Member

I really don’t think these two situations are even remotely the same.

I am all for free speech and someone’s right to free expression.

What do we deem as provocative? Have you seen the cartoons that Charlie Hebdo published, on a consistent basis? Of course that publication had and still has a right to publish such nonsense, but what good does it accomplish?

Is such mischief going to change the extremists outlook in any way? Don’t the people who understand how wrong the extremists actions are already know that such actions are wrong?

I still think that both parties involved in this senseless event were wrong. Surely, we mustn’t be kow towed by these extremists and fear their wrath, but do we really have to deliberately provoke such violence? In the name of what, exactly?

MurphTheSurf3
Editor

Growing up in the south the idea of the Negro being a fully human and certainly did not deserve to be treated as such. Both sides were provoked by words and images that each found immensely disturbing and, indeed, horrifying….the decision by that judge, in my mind, and from my experience, is germane to the situation in France.

KillgoreTrout
Member

Well Murph, we’ll just have to disagree on this one.

This was not about racism.